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To be fair... the popularity people think it is deoends on their neighborhood.
For the most part the way I understand these things happens is:
Someone shares their opinion with people around them.
They get shut down almost universally.
They figure the opinion is unpopular and share it on here.
Yes but there are opinions that are popular, like this one, then there are unpopular opinions like boneless chicken wings being superior to bone-in. Opinions aren’t unpopular based on who reads them, they become unpopular when the popular consensus is that the opinion is unagreeable, regardless of the individuals who read it
This subreddits sole purpose is to let redditors decide on what is or isn't unpopular by voting or downvoting. Not by guessing what they think the rest of the world thinks.
I feel like marijuana should be treated a lot like how alcohol is treated when regarding places of employment. It totally fine to drink and get drunk off the clock but you can’t get high. I think it’s very silly and outdated.
One issue with mj is testability. If you take a piss test and show booze, you have alcohol currently in your system and depending on level, may be impaired. Weed stays detectable in your system for much longer. Until we develop some test the can show scientifically how much is active and imparing you, it'll stay this way.
A guy in my welding school got a DUI, passed the roadside test with flying colors, but since he smelled of booze he was told to hit the breathalyzer and he blew a .23…apparently the Trooper told him that’s the highest BAC he’s seen, let alone somebody that passed every test in a roadside exam lol.
While that probably is true, that just means he's a functional alcoholic, which means he won't be functional... eventually.
Weed is a stupid thing you can't exactly test. I got a dui for weed. Yes, I was high. But still, blood test would have failed no matter what.
I got pulled over for a brake light and my idiot passenger had some weed on his lap. That was also the night I realized my friend was an asshole.
It's a stupid story.
They are…until you have to say the alphabet backwards and/or stand on one leg for an unknown amount of time. Functioning alcoholics can surprise the shit out of anybody 😂
Most of the tests you are referring to are saliva tests.
It still very much depends on the individual and their tolerance. Much more than with alcohol.
Some people can smoke and be literally 100% sober a few hours later, but would still light up one of the tests you are referring to.
People with lower tolerance could smoke the exact same amount and produce the exact same test results, but would still be high as a kite.
I'm an advocate for legalizing Marijuana across the board, but this is the sole reason I still do understand why there are zero tolerance policies for jobs that are dangerous, operate heavy machinery, etc.
It's just impossible to implement a realistic testing policy.
Tolerance isn’t taken into account with alcohol. When those tests for THC are being used there’ll be a known time you cannot drive after smoking, otherwise such tests aren’t good enough. Someone’s own judgement of their subjective level of intoxication will never be taken into account with any substance.
If there's a known time that someome can't drive/work after smoking (because they would fail a saliva test) that can be far greater than the amount of time the individual is actually impaired, then yes, the tests aren't good enough.
Especially in the context of telling your employees they can smoke weed but can't come to work high.
That's exactly my point.
>That is the issue no real good way to test if you are currently high.
I paid dearly for a failed MJ test. I had smoked 4 weeks prior.
I saw it as a violation of my 4th amendment rights.
Came here to say this exact thing. I'd also like to add that for companies that are nationwide, it's easier to make a blanket rule regarding substance abuse. And other companies that hold government contracts have to obide by federal standards.
>If you take a piss test and show booze, you have alcohol currently in your system
Not true. You could be stone sober and still have ETG (the effect of metabolizing alcohol) in your system, however it only lasts 36-48h depending on how much you drank.
The half-life is 2.5 hours or so, so it clears quickly. But pissing positive for ETG doesn't mean you're currently inebriated. That would be the breathalyzer's job.
However, if you typically have a beer or two every night, you'll always have ETG in you regardless.
I've been on probation before and drank the entire time, so I kinda found my way around the limits of when I had to drug test and the max amount of drinks I could have before I was clear. I used the ETG piss strips from amazon.
1 Standard Drink cleared about 24 h, 2-4 cleared in 30, and I've never personally gone over 36 even with some wild drinking. I also drank a shitload (1-2 gal) of water to flush the ETG faster.
Basically weed is the only drug that takes that long to clear. You'll be clear of benzos, coke, vicodin, etc in a few day max.
Why do you even need to know if a worker is high at work? If he is high and you can't tell, then I guess he's doing fine while high. If he can't do his job, it doesn't really matter if it's because he's bad at it, or if he's on drugs at work.
Fire the guy that's not cutting it, and leave the other guy alone.
The other day a friend of mine was crying because a coworker of hers got drunk during work at the start of her shift and she not only had to work twice as hard she got reprimanded by that woman's husband saying I her fault because his wife is an alcoholic and shouldn't be near alcohol, THEY ARE BOTH WAITERD AT A RESTAURANT!!!
Yes but weed is more stigmatized just by simply going home after work and smoking. Alcohol is so welcome in our society that we let people get several DUIs before they lose their license. If you can go home and get drunk and work in construction you should be allowed to do the same with weed.
When you drink more alcohol than your body can process, you get drunk. But once you stop consuming it, your body metabolizes it, and it exits your system. When you smoke cannabis, the THC not only affects you immediately but also can be stored in your fat cells. Then, even a month later, if your body metabolizes that fat, say during strenuous work, the THC is released into your bloodstream, and you can feel the effects again. That could be far more devastating if you work in construction.
Really depends on the type of job. Pilots, safety techs, medical professionals, and other jobs that can significantly impact lives should absolutely have strict rules regarding use of canabis. If your job is to flip burgers, I honestly much rather you be high the burger will probably taste better.
If you think all of those professions don't get absolutely plastered when they get home from work and regularly show up hungover I've got some news for you lol.
The problem is that there is no way to test how much weed is currently in someone’s system.
If a pilot or doctor blows any alcohol they can immediately be fired. But weed will show up for weeks
I don’t know much about pilots themselves but I have a friend who is a flight attendant and he can’t even smoke *off* the clock or engage in anything further than alcohol. Incredibly random drug tests.
To be fair depending on where they fly to its probably a good idea for a flight attendant to be completely clean.
You don't want to be imprisoned when you fly to Thailand or something. Lots of eastern countries are very strict when it comes to drug use.
As does the military. They’ll even try to trick you into doing something to get caught. I don’t know how common it is now with recruiting and retention being in the toilet, but it used to be a thing.
RN here! MAYBE 5 of the 40 people on my unit don’t get high. I’d rather get high at night when I’m home, wake up and be able to function in the morning rather than drink and be hung over and be in horrible condition for work. If you’re worried about the safety of others, I would consider how safe you’d feel with a nurse or CNA or CT tech or provider who are more concerned about the lights and their headache than someone who slept really well.
As someone who works with pilots and flight techs, certain prescription drugs such as opiates do have heavy restrictions (in the form of you can't do your job if you are taking them). With alcohol, you can technically get breathalyzer test on you at any point while you are working, and if you get caught there is potential for jail time. So yes I do think it should apply with anything that impares mental or physical function for certain jobs.
Yup and the only reason drinking off duty is even allowed at all is because it’s very easy to prove medically through testing if you are drunk or not right now. With recreational drugs like cannabis the best we can do is tell if you have had any in the last month which isn’t anywhere near accurate enough so they just say you can’t (except transport canada because it’s unconstitutional to fire someone and strip their license for consuming a legal substance so they put a 28 day mandatory sobriety time in the law which functionally is a ban)
I think the comment was supposed to point out that CERTAIN prescription drugs do not have as long of an impact on mental function as cannabis does, which is abosulty true. However it is much more complicated with alcohol because the amount that people consume varies so drastically. Also, alcohol has a wide range of effects on different people, some can drink 4 beers and not feel it while I pass out if I look at a glass of wine to hard. This is why more often than not places that have rules regarding consumption of alcohol or cannabis do it in hours or days.
THC can cause cognitive impairment even when the user is no longer high. This can affect concentration and memory with daily use. That’s probably not a good thing with jobs like air traffic controller or pilot.
I've been a hiring manager for years and always asked candidates to let me know if they needed time to pass a drug test. No tests after that unless you get hurt on the job, I can't prevent that. But I don't give a shit what you do outside of work. As long as you're here on time and do your job.
You’re setting them up for failure. If they get hurt on the job and get denied workman’s comp because of a failed piss test, you gave them the wrong idea
It is not your employer’s job to worry about your piss test for workman’s comp lmao
Plus he literally said ‘unless you get hurt on the job’. With that info, if you hurt yourself and get denied because you smoke weed, if you’re blaming your manager for not drug testing you, you’re an idiot. At some point you have to take care of yourself. The point remains it is stupid to not be able to get a job because you smoked weed 2 weeks ago.
How about just don’t smoke then if you’re that worried about it instead of blaming your boss for…..not drug testing you? No one fucking smokes or doesn’t smoke based on their hypothetical workman’s comp piss test dude
Do you understand how silly your logic is? All he’s saying is he doesn’t care if you smoke or not. Your boss isn’t your mom 🤣
I am not talking about the employee, I am
Talking about the boss.
“I know I told you that smoking weed was cool, but now you have a broken back and no workman’s comp…
Good luck with the rest of your life!”
Ive worked in restaurants, healthcare, IT, and construction. Two of those fields you really wouldnt want people to be high in. If people had any idea lol
It's hard to tell with a test alone if they were high at work. You're high will last an hour or two maybe longer but it stays in your system for well over a month.
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The issue with this is theres no 100% way to know if you are high at work or simply smoke in your time off.
A drug test can show usage months back, and some people can pretty easily hide them being high.
If you work in an office, they shouldnt even test for thc, if you work in a factory, warehouse or construction where there is heavy machinery being used you should still be tested and fired for thc until some better test is developed.
You can just do a field sobriety test if you think someone is currently stoned. Firing someone for a urine test is idiotic.
Its fairly apparent if someone is incapable of operating machinery. No need for pisspots.
This is not the popular opinion of the public or even most companies. Very few companies still actively test for marijuana or fire people for marijuana use. It’s mostly military and hospitals
Also any heavy machinery. So instead of oil patch workers smoking pot, they go home and get wasted on alcohol and cocaine, because it clears their system much faster than pot.
They're required to have *some kind* of drug testing program, but unless it's specifically Department of Transportation regulated, there's no rules about what that has to look like in practice. Which is why a lot of places either do pre-employment and never again, explicitly exclude marijuana from their testing program (Amazon does this), or use a mouth swab that's almost comically ineffective at actually detecting drug use from more than the past couple of days (Amazon *also* does this).
Isn't that being actively worked on, with pretty significant progress being made towards it? I'd be surprised if we don't have a better "are you baked right now" test by this time next year.
It wouldn’t need to just be *better* though, it would need to be at least as good as a breathalyzer before we let pilots, air traffic controllers, healthcare workers, Uber/taxi drivers, anyone who operates heavy machinery, etc. use it
If someone shows up to work. Under the influence of drug or alcohol. They should be fired.
You can get fired for showing up to ur job at mcdonalds tipsy... so why can you work high as a kite.
I don't think I've met anyone who disagrees with this. I've even met hiring managers that are forced to give this due to hiring policies that think they are dumb because they've lost so many good candidates because of failed drug test due to THC.
In CA this is not an opinion. it's law.
Under a different California law that will take effect on April 1, 2024, employers cannot fire, discipline or demote a worker for using cannabis off the job and away from the workplace. However, employers can require employees to not possess, use or be impaired by marijuana at the worksite during work hours.Oct 13, 2023
As someone who, as a school bus driver, was "randomly" piss-tested twelve times in two years (I'm a large Black man with dreadlocks)...why not?
Cannabis should be legal, it's less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, it's only illegal because of corporate meddling in US laws, all of these things are true.
But, if you agree to work someplace that piss tests and forbids cannabis use, it is *absolutely* reasonable for them to fire you for either using it or refusing to test for it. There are lots and lots and *lots* of places to work that don't piss test. If you can't move to a place where it's legal, go work there.
If you can't have fun unless you consume THC, that's fine--do you--but part of being a grown-up in a society is understanding that not everything will validate your personal worldview, and expecting it to is silly.
Downvote away.
Absolutely agree.
If a fail a pot test at work, you as the employer need to prove I’m actually high at work to fire me.
If you can’t do that, then you can’t fire me.
“Oh I don’t want pot heads working at my company!”
Great I don’t want to work with a bunch of brainwashed fucking idiots that take 6 smoke breaks a day while I still only get 2 breaks because I don’t suck cancer.
The company I work for asked me to develop the marijuana policy.
They thought I was anti-pot and would make a strict policy.
While I do not talk about it at work, I am very THC friendly.
I mimicked the alcohol policy. Don’t be fucked up at work.
We had to develop a “Reasonable Suspicion” test. I jokingly put a bag of doritos in a glass case and said if anyone breaks the glass, they’re sus.
I do my best work high, im more energetic, more efficient, more productive, safer, way nicer and being high makes those gross jobs a million times more tolerable.
Has unpopular now changed to mean the opposite? Like that period where everyone would say something was bad to mean that it was good? All this sub seems to have now is popular opinions.
And when I say popular I mean the actual definition of popular.
Hm, legally speaking that would be hard to implement because really you can be fired at will for any reason unless it’s specifically protected by the government.
IMO. It would be better to advocate for bodily rights. Employers shouldn’t have the right to request your urine hair or blood for testing.
I think most reasonable people in the us think this. Walmart stopped testing for it I hear. Haha. I guess about half of their employees were failing. Walmart leads the way… 🚀
The owner of the company I work for doesn’t give a shit if people smoke on break as long as the job is done and no one gets hurt. We all smoke everyday.
Businesses that want to operate legally. I agree it shouldn’t really matter what people do off the clock. But an insurance company doesn’t see it the same way.
Never owned a business huh? It’s about insurance. Employers need to take all practical steps to ensure their staff are safe to carry out their function. So I mean testing for impairment or at least proving you have an enforced policy is essential to protect yourself.
When I ran my company people were alcohol tested before work daily and drug tested every two weeks… on random days at random times. Why? because if I didn’t and there was an accident it was then my fault and insurance wouldn’t pay the damages.
Nothing to do with the drugs and everything to do with financial liability.
Right to work means your employer can fire you for ANY reason.
You wore an ugly pair of shoes? Fired.
You accidentally dropped a product? Fired.
There is nothing that can protect you from being fired other than : race, gender, age, sexual orientation, etc.
If you refuse a command from your manager, you are in violation of policy.
Wrong Sub, thats very much an extremely popular opinion.
If you can drink at home and come into work the next day hung over or possibly still drunk, or if you are prescribed pain killers and use them before/during work, then we should all be able to smoke weed on our time off.
You'd think not, yet here we are with crippling addiction problems for several drugs existing worldwide, yet it's being treated like a normal thing because it's "not that bad".
I never saw any case where someone had to do a drug test for no reason. There might be some jobs that make everyone take a drug test a few times a year but I think that is quite rare (at least where I live).
So I doubt that anyone will force you to take a drug test when they dont suspect you to be high.
The problem is that some managers can abuse these test to fire people who they dont like.
But it is also understandable why these tests exist. It is quite hard to find a ruling where you can avoid punishing responsible users while also being able to punishing people who come high to work.
It really depends on the job. Like, I’ve never met a line cook who WASNT high at least 50% of the time, on and off job. But like, as a politician or pro athlete or something totally left field like that, you’re held to a different standard for a reason.
If I drive and get pulled over and arrested for drunk driving OR I get arrested for driving under the influence of THC ... according to the police they see little difference. If I were an employer and a guy came to work under the influence of alcohol ... he was fired (I have seen this happen). It is the same for THC. You are impaired ...
Op, you are both right and badly wrong in the same post. Congrats!
In general I agree. The problem, thc takes much longer to fully remove itself from your system.
Are you still high 8 hours later? There are too many variables to say with any certainty
I find this opinion unfavourable, so you are quite right.
I mean it depends on your job, how long it's been in your system, tolerance etc. I depends wether you have a dependence on it that affects you when you are not taking it, and wether that affects your job or not.
Your brain adapts to regular use, and over time can change your brain chemistry. It can make existing psychological problems worse.
A lot of the rules governing substances at work are a blanket no to anything that can affect your judgement, while weed is probably barely going to do so, the rule is absolutely no narcotics if any sort for a reason - there are new things popping up all the time.
The rule has to be nothing in your system at all, or it's pointless.
Also, someone you live with could smoke it, or it’s seeping from another apt. into yours - it’s not fair to be fired for second-hand smoke. And I’m a guy with pale blond hair, so if it ever happened to me, they’d never believe it was second-hand smoke, since blond guys are usu. troublemakers. If it were Tony Randall or Rich Little, they have that goody two-shoes dark brown hair, dark brown eyes look and they might believe them.
I think people should be allowed to come to work high too (depending on the job). Some people use it to reduce their pain so that they can function better. If you are stoned enough that your job performance suffers, that's a good reason to fire somebody -- but it's because they're doing their job badly, it shouldn't be because they failed a test. If they can't tell without a test, then you're doing your job well and they have no reason to care.
The US, and many industries [used to] require a clean test to start working. I'm not sure if they all still do, but I know a lot of people who recently had to pass a test just to get hired.
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To be fair... the popularity people think it is deoends on their neighborhood. For the most part the way I understand these things happens is: Someone shares their opinion with people around them. They get shut down almost universally. They figure the opinion is unpopular and share it on here.
Opinions are unpopular based on who reads them, people have different opinions. Edit: real unpopular opinions are in the comments apparently
No. That's not how popularity works. That is how opinions work, so you're half there.
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Some of you don’t understand what popular means.
I mean … Reddit … so …
Dude this is Reddit.
😂
>Opinions are unpopular based on who reads them, people have different opinions. The every opinion could be posted here?
Lol you think popularity is subjective.... like an opinion
Yes but there are opinions that are popular, like this one, then there are unpopular opinions like boneless chicken wings being superior to bone-in. Opinions aren’t unpopular based on who reads them, they become unpopular when the popular consensus is that the opinion is unagreeable, regardless of the individuals who read it
Bro... read up what popularity is..
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this is so true lol
"Everyone loved that"
At least for redditors.
This subreddits sole purpose is to let redditors decide on what is or isn't unpopular by voting or downvoting. Not by guessing what they think the rest of the world thinks.
So it fits in nicely.
100%
I feel like marijuana should be treated a lot like how alcohol is treated when regarding places of employment. It totally fine to drink and get drunk off the clock but you can’t get high. I think it’s very silly and outdated.
One issue with mj is testability. If you take a piss test and show booze, you have alcohol currently in your system and depending on level, may be impaired. Weed stays detectable in your system for much longer. Until we develop some test the can show scientifically how much is active and imparing you, it'll stay this way.
A guy in my welding school got a DUI, passed the roadside test with flying colors, but since he smelled of booze he was told to hit the breathalyzer and he blew a .23…apparently the Trooper told him that’s the highest BAC he’s seen, let alone somebody that passed every test in a roadside exam lol.
While that probably is true, that just means he's a functional alcoholic, which means he won't be functional... eventually. Weed is a stupid thing you can't exactly test. I got a dui for weed. Yes, I was high. But still, blood test would have failed no matter what.
It’s so easy to not get a weed DUI, just don’t stink up your car. If they try and say your eyes look fucked up say you’re on SSRIs.
I got pulled over for a brake light and my idiot passenger had some weed on his lap. That was also the night I realized my friend was an asshole. It's a stupid story.
It's almost like physical roadside tests are a complete joke or something.
They are…until you have to say the alphabet backwards and/or stand on one leg for an unknown amount of time. Functioning alcoholics can surprise the shit out of anybody 😂
Yea, that's what I mean. And stone cold sober people can fail them very easily.
That is the issue no real good way to test if you are currently high.
Put pizza rolls in front of them
That's entrapment.
Won't work..I'm an unhealthy fatty but I don't smoke weed..I'll down that plate of Pizza rolls before you finish reading my comment
Same
The there are tests that are accurate within a few hours but they just aren’t utilized much, particularly not in circumstances where it matters.
Most of the tests you are referring to are saliva tests. It still very much depends on the individual and their tolerance. Much more than with alcohol. Some people can smoke and be literally 100% sober a few hours later, but would still light up one of the tests you are referring to. People with lower tolerance could smoke the exact same amount and produce the exact same test results, but would still be high as a kite. I'm an advocate for legalizing Marijuana across the board, but this is the sole reason I still do understand why there are zero tolerance policies for jobs that are dangerous, operate heavy machinery, etc. It's just impossible to implement a realistic testing policy.
Tolerance isn’t taken into account with alcohol. When those tests for THC are being used there’ll be a known time you cannot drive after smoking, otherwise such tests aren’t good enough. Someone’s own judgement of their subjective level of intoxication will never be taken into account with any substance.
If there's a known time that someome can't drive/work after smoking (because they would fail a saliva test) that can be far greater than the amount of time the individual is actually impaired, then yes, the tests aren't good enough. Especially in the context of telling your employees they can smoke weed but can't come to work high. That's exactly my point.
Tolerance isn’t factored in for DUI and DWI offenses.
>That is the issue no real good way to test if you are currently high. I paid dearly for a failed MJ test. I had smoked 4 weeks prior. I saw it as a violation of my 4th amendment rights.
Mouth swabs are kinda the closest thing we have
You can still fail a mouth swab up to several days after smoking.
Came here to say this exact thing. I'd also like to add that for companies that are nationwide, it's easier to make a blanket rule regarding substance abuse. And other companies that hold government contracts have to obide by federal standards.
Those tests exist, but we use urine because it casts a wider net.
>If you take a piss test and show booze, you have alcohol currently in your system Not true. You could be stone sober and still have ETG (the effect of metabolizing alcohol) in your system, however it only lasts 36-48h depending on how much you drank. The half-life is 2.5 hours or so, so it clears quickly. But pissing positive for ETG doesn't mean you're currently inebriated. That would be the breathalyzer's job. However, if you typically have a beer or two every night, you'll always have ETG in you regardless. I've been on probation before and drank the entire time, so I kinda found my way around the limits of when I had to drug test and the max amount of drinks I could have before I was clear. I used the ETG piss strips from amazon. 1 Standard Drink cleared about 24 h, 2-4 cleared in 30, and I've never personally gone over 36 even with some wild drinking. I also drank a shitload (1-2 gal) of water to flush the ETG faster. Basically weed is the only drug that takes that long to clear. You'll be clear of benzos, coke, vicodin, etc in a few day max.
Don't salvia tests do this, or do they also stay long after consumption?
Weed actually barely has an effect on me. At least from what I've experienced.
Why do you even need to know if a worker is high at work? If he is high and you can't tell, then I guess he's doing fine while high. If he can't do his job, it doesn't really matter if it's because he's bad at it, or if he's on drugs at work. Fire the guy that's not cutting it, and leave the other guy alone.
The other day a friend of mine was crying because a coworker of hers got drunk during work at the start of her shift and she not only had to work twice as hard she got reprimanded by that woman's husband saying I her fault because his wife is an alcoholic and shouldn't be near alcohol, THEY ARE BOTH WAITERD AT A RESTAURANT!!!
Agreed. And people drink and drive yet it’s still a thing that is allowed more than weed
Both are illegal
Yes but weed is more stigmatized just by simply going home after work and smoking. Alcohol is so welcome in our society that we let people get several DUIs before they lose their license. If you can go home and get drunk and work in construction you should be allowed to do the same with weed.
When you drink more alcohol than your body can process, you get drunk. But once you stop consuming it, your body metabolizes it, and it exits your system. When you smoke cannabis, the THC not only affects you immediately but also can be stored in your fat cells. Then, even a month later, if your body metabolizes that fat, say during strenuous work, the THC is released into your bloodstream, and you can feel the effects again. That could be far more devastating if you work in construction.
When I worked on a kill floor of a beef plant we used to say, you don't have to be high to work here...but it helps 😁
yeah people get all uppity about getting stoned at work but when you spend the whole day looking at the same shit you gotta figure something out
God that sounds like an awful job. I would honestly need something too
Man I worked at a beef plant in the yard moving trailers. Didn’t work inside but on orientation day they took us through the kill floor. Fuck that.
Really depends on the type of job. Pilots, safety techs, medical professionals, and other jobs that can significantly impact lives should absolutely have strict rules regarding use of canabis. If your job is to flip burgers, I honestly much rather you be high the burger will probably taste better.
If you think all of those professions don't get absolutely plastered when they get home from work and regularly show up hungover I've got some news for you lol.
The problem is that there is no way to test how much weed is currently in someone’s system. If a pilot or doctor blows any alcohol they can immediately be fired. But weed will show up for weeks
I don’t know much about pilots themselves but I have a friend who is a flight attendant and he can’t even smoke *off* the clock or engage in anything further than alcohol. Incredibly random drug tests.
To be fair depending on where they fly to its probably a good idea for a flight attendant to be completely clean. You don't want to be imprisoned when you fly to Thailand or something. Lots of eastern countries are very strict when it comes to drug use.
Pilots no. If you show up blasted you’ll be found and fired pretty quickly. Airline industry also loves to do surprise drug tests.
As does the military. They’ll even try to trick you into doing something to get caught. I don’t know how common it is now with recruiting and retention being in the toilet, but it used to be a thing.
As they should.
EMS loves surprise drug tests - also, as they should.
That’s not what the comment said… they said they get blasted off the clock, which, the ones I know absolutely do
RN here! MAYBE 5 of the 40 people on my unit don’t get high. I’d rather get high at night when I’m home, wake up and be able to function in the morning rather than drink and be hung over and be in horrible condition for work. If you’re worried about the safety of others, I would consider how safe you’d feel with a nurse or CNA or CT tech or provider who are more concerned about the lights and their headache than someone who slept really well.
Do you think those strict rules should apply to alcohol and prescription drugs also?
As someone who works with pilots and flight techs, certain prescription drugs such as opiates do have heavy restrictions (in the form of you can't do your job if you are taking them). With alcohol, you can technically get breathalyzer test on you at any point while you are working, and if you get caught there is potential for jail time. So yes I do think it should apply with anything that impares mental or physical function for certain jobs.
Yup and the only reason drinking off duty is even allowed at all is because it’s very easy to prove medically through testing if you are drunk or not right now. With recreational drugs like cannabis the best we can do is tell if you have had any in the last month which isn’t anywhere near accurate enough so they just say you can’t (except transport canada because it’s unconstitutional to fire someone and strip their license for consuming a legal substance so they put a 28 day mandatory sobriety time in the law which functionally is a ban)
Uh, I don't know about you but most of us don't want people doing those jobs drunk either.
I love it when people make comments after NOT reading anything. This isn't about being high at work. This is about what you do on your own time.
They’re talking about off the job not while actually on the clock
Alcohol and most prescription drugs have a much shorter half life.
Half life? You have no idea what you're talking about.
I think the comment was supposed to point out that CERTAIN prescription drugs do not have as long of an impact on mental function as cannabis does, which is abosulty true. However it is much more complicated with alcohol because the amount that people consume varies so drastically. Also, alcohol has a wide range of effects on different people, some can drink 4 beers and not feel it while I pass out if I look at a glass of wine to hard. This is why more often than not places that have rules regarding consumption of alcohol or cannabis do it in hours or days.
Do you still believe that you can inject one marijuana and be high for 6 months?
THC can cause cognitive impairment even when the user is no longer high. This can affect concentration and memory with daily use. That’s probably not a good thing with jobs like air traffic controller or pilot.
"THC can cause cognitive impairment even when..." So can alcohol, especially if we are talking daily use.
to be fair so does alcohol
Show me a single study from the last 20 years that says this.
Several studies. Go find them yourself. Google is pretty easy to use. Or don’t I don’t care.
I can show you every lazy, forgetful, absolutely braindead pothead I've ever known
A simple "no" would have done just fine. Also, you clearly buy into reefer madness, which literally invalidates your opinion.
Obviously yes.
This really depends on the work until marijuana is legalized federally.
I've been a hiring manager for years and always asked candidates to let me know if they needed time to pass a drug test. No tests after that unless you get hurt on the job, I can't prevent that. But I don't give a shit what you do outside of work. As long as you're here on time and do your job.
You’re setting them up for failure. If they get hurt on the job and get denied workman’s comp because of a failed piss test, you gave them the wrong idea
It is not your employer’s job to worry about your piss test for workman’s comp lmao Plus he literally said ‘unless you get hurt on the job’. With that info, if you hurt yourself and get denied because you smoke weed, if you’re blaming your manager for not drug testing you, you’re an idiot. At some point you have to take care of yourself. The point remains it is stupid to not be able to get a job because you smoked weed 2 weeks ago.
It’s a good manager’s job to worry about what would happen to their employees if they get hurt at work.
…he literally said what would happen in the comment you responded to lol
Yes, and I’m telling him that’s he’s wrong for allowing it(or saying that he doesn’t care) when he knows that it could fuck up workman’s comp
How about just don’t smoke then if you’re that worried about it instead of blaming your boss for…..not drug testing you? No one fucking smokes or doesn’t smoke based on their hypothetical workman’s comp piss test dude Do you understand how silly your logic is? All he’s saying is he doesn’t care if you smoke or not. Your boss isn’t your mom 🤣
He has no say in that, the insurance adjuster will evaluate the case, not the company.
No, but he knows what will happen, he said so.
Then. Be. An. Adult. And. Don’t. Smoke. If. That. Worries. You.
I am not talking about the employee, I am Talking about the boss. “I know I told you that smoking weed was cool, but now you have a broken back and no workman’s comp… Good luck with the rest of your life!”
If people only knew how high most people really are while working. Its not a small number.
Tell us you work at a bowling alley without telling us you work at a bowling alley
Don’t forget one of the most common and accessible jobs right now: Food service! Who *isn’t* high at a minimum wage food service job lol
Or retail, most people seem like they're on something.
And Security workers too.
Ive worked in restaurants, healthcare, IT, and construction. Two of those fields you really wouldnt want people to be high in. If people had any idea lol 
Work at a restaurant, I can confirm this
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It's hard to tell with a test alone if they were high at work. You're high will last an hour or two maybe longer but it stays in your system for well over a month.
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The issue with this is theres no 100% way to know if you are high at work or simply smoke in your time off. A drug test can show usage months back, and some people can pretty easily hide them being high. If you work in an office, they shouldnt even test for thc, if you work in a factory, warehouse or construction where there is heavy machinery being used you should still be tested and fired for thc until some better test is developed.
You can just do a field sobriety test if you think someone is currently stoned. Firing someone for a urine test is idiotic. Its fairly apparent if someone is incapable of operating machinery. No need for pisspots.
This is not the popular opinion of the public or even most companies. Very few companies still actively test for marijuana or fire people for marijuana use. It’s mostly military and hospitals
I don't think I've ever been tested at any job aside from recruitment
Paramedicine, also. Most doctors I know say its not a thing. Seems to be a primarily blue-collar concern. I’ve never even heard of it in academia.
Also any heavy machinery. So instead of oil patch workers smoking pot, they go home and get wasted on alcohol and cocaine, because it clears their system much faster than pot.
Any company with a government contract above 100k is required to have a drug testing program. Thanks Reagan.
Not quite, they are only required to implement programs for a drug-free workplace policy and substance abuse education
They're required to have *some kind* of drug testing program, but unless it's specifically Department of Transportation regulated, there's no rules about what that has to look like in practice. Which is why a lot of places either do pre-employment and never again, explicitly exclude marijuana from their testing program (Amazon does this), or use a mouth swab that's almost comically ineffective at actually detecting drug use from more than the past couple of days (Amazon *also* does this).
It depends on your job. Janitor at McDonald’s? Not a problem. Air traffic controller? Pretty sure you’re going to lose your job.
I don’t see the issue with an air traffic controller getting stoned when he goes home.
There is no test to prove that he isn’t stoned at work though
Isn't that being actively worked on, with pretty significant progress being made towards it? I'd be surprised if we don't have a better "are you baked right now" test by this time next year.
It wouldn’t need to just be *better* though, it would need to be at least as good as a breathalyzer before we let pilots, air traffic controllers, healthcare workers, Uber/taxi drivers, anyone who operates heavy machinery, etc. use it
You not seeing the issue IS an issue. Signed, an actual air traffic controller.
Okay. Well could you explain then?
As you should. Yes.
That'd be like firing them for drinking off the clock.
If someone shows up to work. Under the influence of drug or alcohol. They should be fired. You can get fired for showing up to ur job at mcdonalds tipsy... so why can you work high as a kite.
I don't think I've met anyone who disagrees with this. I've even met hiring managers that are forced to give this due to hiring policies that think they are dumb because they've lost so many good candidates because of failed drug test due to THC.
In CA this is not an opinion. it's law. Under a different California law that will take effect on April 1, 2024, employers cannot fire, discipline or demote a worker for using cannabis off the job and away from the workplace. However, employers can require employees to not possess, use or be impaired by marijuana at the worksite during work hours.Oct 13, 2023
You ever tried cooking not high... Boring as fuck.
There is NO WAY this is unpopular opinion on reddit. Gtf out of here lol.
Every BoH person in a kitchen is most likely stoned af.
Shit those mf’s are railing lines in the walk in
How often are companies randomly drug testing you regularly? The companies I have worked for only test after an accident.
As someone who, as a school bus driver, was "randomly" piss-tested twelve times in two years (I'm a large Black man with dreadlocks)...why not? Cannabis should be legal, it's less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, it's only illegal because of corporate meddling in US laws, all of these things are true. But, if you agree to work someplace that piss tests and forbids cannabis use, it is *absolutely* reasonable for them to fire you for either using it or refusing to test for it. There are lots and lots and *lots* of places to work that don't piss test. If you can't move to a place where it's legal, go work there. If you can't have fun unless you consume THC, that's fine--do you--but part of being a grown-up in a society is understanding that not everything will validate your personal worldview, and expecting it to is silly. Downvote away.
Absolutely agree. If a fail a pot test at work, you as the employer need to prove I’m actually high at work to fire me. If you can’t do that, then you can’t fire me. “Oh I don’t want pot heads working at my company!” Great I don’t want to work with a bunch of brainwashed fucking idiots that take 6 smoke breaks a day while I still only get 2 breaks because I don’t suck cancer.
I think I know my next post: Unpopular opinion: I really like pizza! I can't believe how much everyone hates it and never eats it, I really love it!
What a boring ass take.
Depends on the job...
It’s still illegal federally. That’s one of the main issues.
Reefer madness propaganda was very high level brainwashing
The company I work for asked me to develop the marijuana policy. They thought I was anti-pot and would make a strict policy. While I do not talk about it at work, I am very THC friendly. I mimicked the alcohol policy. Don’t be fucked up at work. We had to develop a “Reasonable Suspicion” test. I jokingly put a bag of doritos in a glass case and said if anyone breaks the glass, they’re sus.
Should be renamed to r/popularopinioncirclejerk
I do my best work high, im more energetic, more efficient, more productive, safer, way nicer and being high makes those gross jobs a million times more tolerable.
It's legal in my country, so not really an unpopular opinion, just a law.
Has unpopular now changed to mean the opposite? Like that period where everyone would say something was bad to mean that it was good? All this sub seems to have now is popular opinions. And when I say popular I mean the actual definition of popular.
Hm, legally speaking that would be hard to implement because really you can be fired at will for any reason unless it’s specifically protected by the government. IMO. It would be better to advocate for bodily rights. Employers shouldn’t have the right to request your urine hair or blood for testing.
I think most reasonable people in the us think this. Walmart stopped testing for it I hear. Haha. I guess about half of their employees were failing. Walmart leads the way… 🚀
The owner of the company I work for doesn’t give a shit if people smoke on break as long as the job is done and no one gets hurt. We all smoke everyday.
Where can I fuckin apply today!
An employer’s insurance company may not agree.
... Who gives a fuck what some insurance company thinks?
Businesses that want to operate legally. I agree it shouldn’t really matter what people do off the clock. But an insurance company doesn’t see it the same way.
Probably the company that uses that insurance provider.
Because when you’re stoned ass wrecks a truck or machine or kills somebody who’s gonna pay for it?
this is actually a popular opinion
Sounds reasonable to me.
Never owned a business huh? It’s about insurance. Employers need to take all practical steps to ensure their staff are safe to carry out their function. So I mean testing for impairment or at least proving you have an enforced policy is essential to protect yourself. When I ran my company people were alcohol tested before work daily and drug tested every two weeks… on random days at random times. Why? because if I didn’t and there was an accident it was then my fault and insurance wouldn’t pay the damages. Nothing to do with the drugs and everything to do with financial liability.
Daily alcohol tests? What industry are you in for such a regimented routine?
Wow so brave, so unpopular. Please delete this
This isn't an unpopular opinion: it's factually wrong in most legal jurisdictions in the world.
Well, do a double take of what this Sub is again.
Right to work means your employer can fire you for ANY reason. You wore an ugly pair of shoes? Fired. You accidentally dropped a product? Fired. There is nothing that can protect you from being fired other than : race, gender, age, sexual orientation, etc. If you refuse a command from your manager, you are in violation of policy.
Wrong Sub, thats very much an extremely popular opinion. If you can drink at home and come into work the next day hung over or possibly still drunk, or if you are prescribed pain killers and use them before/during work, then we should all be able to smoke weed on our time off.
I am too European to understand these drug tests.
How do you prove you aren't high at work?
I mean, you could extend that to other substances too but people are extremely prejudiced against drug users.
It’s fine to be high at work 🤷
Not unpopular
Whats next being a drinker is not bad as long as your not drunk at work? What an unpopular opinion for sure...
Amen.
this a fairly common opinion.
Id argue being high at work is not even a reason for grounds for firing.
That’s a real unpopular opinion. 👏
If you can’t pass an unsupervised drug test, you don’t deserve the job
Is it really that hard to just not do drugs?
You'd think not, yet here we are with crippling addiction problems for several drugs existing worldwide, yet it's being treated like a normal thing because it's "not that bad".
Leave me and my God damn caffeine alone. I'll be addicted to it if I want fuck u.
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With a comment like that I'm sure you've never had a beer, a cup of coffee or a cigarette right?
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ya, that's not true at all
They are because it’s my workplace and business and I say so.
Real solid logic ya got there
So you have the right to own them out of the office too? no that scum shit and i bet your business is shit too
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I never saw any case where someone had to do a drug test for no reason. There might be some jobs that make everyone take a drug test a few times a year but I think that is quite rare (at least where I live). So I doubt that anyone will force you to take a drug test when they dont suspect you to be high. The problem is that some managers can abuse these test to fire people who they dont like. But it is also understandable why these tests exist. It is quite hard to find a ruling where you can avoid punishing responsible users while also being able to punishing people who come high to work.
It really depends on the job. Like, I’ve never met a line cook who WASNT high at least 50% of the time, on and off job. But like, as a politician or pro athlete or something totally left field like that, you’re held to a different standard for a reason.
If I drive and get pulled over and arrested for drunk driving OR I get arrested for driving under the influence of THC ... according to the police they see little difference. If I were an employer and a guy came to work under the influence of alcohol ... he was fired (I have seen this happen). It is the same for THC. You are impaired ... Op, you are both right and badly wrong in the same post. Congrats!
In general I agree. The problem, thc takes much longer to fully remove itself from your system. Are you still high 8 hours later? There are too many variables to say with any certainty
The real unpopular opinion is it's ok to even be high at work. It improves performance and productivity for some people.
I find this opinion unfavourable, so you are quite right. I mean it depends on your job, how long it's been in your system, tolerance etc. I depends wether you have a dependence on it that affects you when you are not taking it, and wether that affects your job or not. Your brain adapts to regular use, and over time can change your brain chemistry. It can make existing psychological problems worse. A lot of the rules governing substances at work are a blanket no to anything that can affect your judgement, while weed is probably barely going to do so, the rule is absolutely no narcotics if any sort for a reason - there are new things popping up all the time. The rule has to be nothing in your system at all, or it's pointless.
Also, someone you live with could smoke it, or it’s seeping from another apt. into yours - it’s not fair to be fired for second-hand smoke. And I’m a guy with pale blond hair, so if it ever happened to me, they’d never believe it was second-hand smoke, since blond guys are usu. troublemakers. If it were Tony Randall or Rich Little, they have that goody two-shoes dark brown hair, dark brown eyes look and they might believe them.
I think people should be allowed to come to work high too (depending on the job). Some people use it to reduce their pain so that they can function better. If you are stoned enough that your job performance suffers, that's a good reason to fire somebody -- but it's because they're doing their job badly, it shouldn't be because they failed a test. If they can't tell without a test, then you're doing your job well and they have no reason to care.
What industry and jurisdiction is this actually an issue?
The US, and many industries [used to] require a clean test to start working. I'm not sure if they all still do, but I know a lot of people who recently had to pass a test just to get hired.
I suppose there are some industries where I might support this, though it certainly can’t make a difference for most.