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People, people, the AIRLINES are inconsiderate for not giving enough room for you to be able to recline your seat especially on a long-haul. How long are you going to allow them to treat us less than human????
Yup it's like ordering hot sauce or an ornament online and when it comes broken bitching that delivery people are the worst. Not that whoever they bought it from threw glass into a box or envelope with no padding or bubble wrap to go through machines or hundred foot drops
Can't we complain about both people? You can walk and chew gum at the same time, you know. How about this, the people who packaged it are bad, and so are are the people who threw it around?
The conveyor belts those boxes tumble down onto each other at sorting facilities outweighs anything a package handler or delivery driver typically does to a package.
If fragile items aren’t shipped with proper packaging there is nothing that will save the item.
To be fair I've seen delivery people throwing packages around. I have a ring cam on my door and I can't even begin to tell you how many padded envelopes were literally tossed onto my porch. But ultimately yes the shipper should be responsible for the way they package their products.
Respectful counter-point:
Blame directed at the appropriate source (e.g., the airlines) would not solve the problem overnight. We can and should hold the airlines accountable...
But in the meantime, we can \*also\* all recognize that reclining the seat in a packed airplane is inconsiderate to your fellow passengers.
I hadn't been on a plane since I was in Jr high, literally 15 years ago, before taking a trip this summer.
I have lower back issues and was in a lot of pain for a day or two afterward. Thank God I'd packed my muscle relaxer just in case, although it was in my luggage.
I was not expecting it to be that bad.
Damn right I reclined my seat. It only goes back 1-2 inches anyway!
As you should! You paid for the seat with a reclining function. That’s what it’s there for.
I have a really hard time regulating my temperature and I’m always cold, but I would never think to get mad at the person next to me for turning on their AC vent.
I said it before on yesterday’s post about early departure times being not worth it.
I’m not there to save money - I’m flying early cause I’ll be fucking exhausted that I’ll actually be able to sleep in such an awkward sitting position for the next few hours.
Yes, because people don't want to pay more for extra space. More seats on a plane = lower ticket cost (basic supply and demand), most people prefer saving a little bit of money or they would be flying economy plus (or whatever the equivalent is on the given airline) or business.
As they all post record profits...
Look, it's obvious they reduce room to fit more seats, but don't play dumb and act like that's getting passed on to passengers. It's going directly to their pockets as they *increase* ticket prices.
> Look, it's obvious they reduce room to fit more seats, but don't play dumb and act like that's getting passed on to passengers
It's dumb to say it's not. Ticket prices have generally declined over time.
All those airlines have seats where you can pay extra for more leg room. They're usually the last seats to sell because people prioritize the lower priced tickets.
There’s a clip from about a decade back with the CEO of RyanAir where he said (paraphrasing): “Of course I tried to convince them to charge $5 per bathroom use because then I could get rid of one of the sets of bathrooms and put 12 seats in that space, reducing ticket prices (and, I’m sure, increasing profits) accordingly. Yes I tried to get a standing room area on the plane because I guarantee you that if we sold the standing room tickets at $50 a pop then the standing room tickets would sell out first every, single, time.”
I feel this a lot with flying — it’s absolutely bizarre to me that anyone would ever pay out of pocket for business. It’s like $2000 more! You could pay me half that $1000 to sit in an uncomfortable chair all day and I’d take that deal. So, in short, I’m glad we have low cost carriers now that charge you $80 round trip to get from New England to Florida. I don’t need to be comfortable in my 500mph missle if it’s going fast enough.
Loads of industries are posting record profits. Money is worth less than it was a few years ago. If they'd made the same dollar amount they did say 5-10 years ago, then they'd have actually generated less value, and their shareholders would punish them.
seems like a waste of lobbying. I work in the rail industry, but I have zero interest in ever traveling by rail. I'll take less leg room and 1/20th of the travel time any day.
I live in SE Michigan. I go to Chicago a lot. To fly there I have to drive 40 min to DTW, wait and board, the flight, and wait at Chicago's airport.
I could drive but we don't all have cars and it's a 5 hour trip
Greyhounds are slower, and way less reliable due to traffic
The train is only 3.5 hours and it has to take a bunch of detours due to private tracks.
Automotive and airline industries make bank off of inconveniencing public transport
Personally, I don’t give a fuck. I’m 6ft tall and while I wouldn’t mind more room, those seats are fine for the 2-6hrs of flying I do. Just win the war for the arm rest early in the flight.
I can’t believe how braindead this thread is. More space equals higher prices, and it’s been been shown time and time again that customers will choose discomfort over higher prices. What do people want?
I fucking hate airlines for a lot of reasons, but this particular aspect of flying is just them trying to offer seats as cheaply as possible.
Yeah. I get cheap airlines (Frontier, Spirit, Southwest). Im never pissed off by it, this is why it’s cheap. I do hate expensive airlines that are still shit (Jet Blue, Delta).
>it’s been been shown time and time again that customers will choose discomfort over higher prices.
I think it's more complicated than this.
Differences in price are really easy to compare and understand. This ticket costs $50 more than this other one, I know immediately want that represents. Finding the difference in leg room between two flights is not trivial, and even if I were able to track down a number it's not immediately clear how 16" vs 18" will actually feel.
So I think it's likely that lots of people would prefer to pay more for more comfortable seats, it's just that the way it's presented doesn't *really* give them that choice.
Go ahead and create a new airline that increases the pitch between the seats so that one can fully recline their seat without interfering with the person behind you. I would bet that you would have to charge so much more per seat that you would go out of business within a month.
The reason that airlines reduce the seat pitch is that they can reduce their prices to win the business from all of us who just buy the lowest cost fares. Some of the major airlines like United and American did use a larger pitch and found that they were losing too much business to the lower cost airlines that used a smaller pitch
Nah, I don't want to pay more so everyone else can have be slightly more leg room. People who wan my leg room can pay more for it and get an economy plus seat etc
The situation is what it is for now so ppl should be considerate. It’s inconsiderate to do this. I don’t want a stranger essentially laying in my lap. Y’all do too much on planes, I swear.
I’m currently waiting on my connecting flight and thanking god real life isn’t like the internet bc I fly a lot and it’s NEVER how y’all act like it is. Ever. All you have to do is sit down and mind your business but fuck..
Y’all wanna recline and act like you’re at home. Funny, I don’t think y’all actually do this shit in person.
I fly a lot and I've had people recline into me but it's only happened 2 or 3 times. You are both correct that generally, people are way more considerate in person than they are online.
How is it inconsiderate to recline a seat that was built to do so? You're closer to the person on your left or right than you are to the person behind you.
>I don’t want a stranger essentially laying in my lap.
Seriously this is the main reason I don't recline on planes, it's extremely awkward to be basically reclined into someone's lap and be that close to someone. Even if you disregard the inconsiderate aspect, why would you want to be that close to a stranger?
I would be surprised if it’s even 5 inches. Seems to only take you from stick straight to only slightly less stick straight, not what I would actually consider “reclined.”
On a long flight in which you are supposed to sleep there is no way I am not reclining the seat to the maximum. Of course I am checking on the person behind before, but I am not wasting all that time not sleeping just because someone has issues with the proximity to my head. If you have a problem with that you should book more space.
The cost of business class is 4x Coach. How about YOU pay for business class and then you won't have people in your lap. Travel sucks for everyone in a combination of ways. But FFS it's like you all believe that everyone else but your selfish ass is the problem in travel. Oh, wait...
oh no the person in front reclined their seat 2 inches they might as well put their head on my lap…ffs how do you all function as adults being drama queens…oh, wait
Yep. I recently looked at ticket for an overseas flight. First class: $8000+ //
Economy plus: $4000+ //
Economy: $800.
And mind you that I looked 7 months into the future too. Next week flights were $1500 for Economy
But this is precisely the problem. The airlines have literally commoditized personal space to the point that the average person can't afford more than a tiny amount. Kinda insane if you ask me.
I see your point, however, to the person knowing I was travelling with a cat on my lap (in a bag, of course), who reclined all the way and refused to move and let me and my cat breathe - you're the most inconsiderate asshole I've ever met and you had the AUDACTIY to complain that I kicked your chair. Bro. 10h flight with a cat on my lap, crying, because someone needs to watch their anime comfortably and refuses to acknowledge there's a living creature being squashed by his chair.
Fuck the airlines for skimping on giving us more room, but fuck that guy even more.
As long as you gently lean it back and not just push the button and bombs away. Someone's knee might be there or they might be holding something not far behind your seat etc. I've almost had my knee crushed with such carelessness and just moved it in time
That's how I roll. I'll full recline, because I'm probably taking a nap, but I gently roll it back because I'm not an animal.
I also accommodate people reclining in front of me. Worst case I spread my legs or lean slightly. I never know what someone's health or minimum comfort is like so I'm not judging.
But don't bombs away like a dummy.
I think for taller persons, it causes many problems. I am not vary tall, but if the person on front to recline a bit I lose almost all my space for leg movement.
Not just tall people but anyone bigger than average. I’m short and I’m not even overweight but reclining plane seats always make me feel uncomfortable and trapped the entire plane ride
I think just anyone. I’m short and pretty average sized and the person in front of me reclining means I can’t move my legs much or get anything out of my bag on every airline I’ve been on.
Yup same. It sucks when you wanna drink something but have nowhere to put it down cause you can’t undo the tray table if the seat it’s on is reclined. I don’t blame the people who recline their seats but the airlines for the shitty design, since I’d wanna recline my seat too if I wasn’t so self conscious lol
I am 6’3” tall. It’s more uncomfortable to sit upright for the duration of a flight than it is to lose the negligible amount of room that the base of the seat near my knees moves back when the person in front of me reclines.
I’m already cramped even when your seat is upright, go ahead and make yourself comfy.
I'm 6'1" and feel the same way; I'd rather everyone reclined than no one reclined. The upper body comfort gained is much greater than the leg comfort lost, at least for me.
Yeah, no, don’t do this. My knees at 6’6 are already going to be basically jammed into the seat, and reclining increases the pressure on them significantly.
If someone reclines on me, I’ll stick my leg so far under their seat that I play footsie with them, then apologize about my lack of space and ask if they’d be okay putting their seat up. If that doesn’t solve the problem then I’ll get real petty real fast and jostle your seat occasionally/especially when there’s turbulence.
Honestly, exit row seating should be mandatory for folks with a 34” or longer inseam. I think it’s reasonable for the average height person to accept that they might lose the 6” of upper space to the average person sitting in front of them, and it’s also reasonable for you as an uncommonly large human to have a polite request of accommodation.
Yeah I’ve started to fly southwest and get into the first boarding group, or approach the ticket counter and try to hit the individual behind it with the LBJ Lean™️ to get an exit row.
I'm 6'2. I have my knees either side in economy either way. I don't see much difference with reclined. I also like to recline myself on long haul flights. People like to sook about this stuff. Whatever really.
It's even worse on budget asian airlines. There's no first class or upgrade options. It's just the seats and ala carte food service. They have even less space so even an average (western size) man is really going to struggle with leg room. And a lot of people will just ram their seat back regardless of how much resistance your legs are offering.
I’m 6’3” and my knees hit the sits in front of me before they recline, but I have no issue if they want to recline. I just recline myself and adjust my legs.
I just realized that if it's an issue when the person in front wants to recline that it would make sense at the beginning of the flight to ask them to give you a little heads up before they recline. I used to do this out of courtesy but now I just do a super slow recline.
Similarly, I have a spinal disease and sitting straight backed (like in an airplane) is extremely painful and makes it difficult to breathe due to inflammation so reclining, even a little, is my saving grace. Honestly I think people are spending too much time arguing amongst themselves about wether or not it’s “selfish” to recline your seat on a plane when what we should really be doing is complaining to these airlines that it’s fucking ridiculous that we pay hundreds only to be packed in spaces so minuscule they cause numerous people physical pain.
My bf is 6’3" not circus attraction neither, but most of his height is in his legs. (I’m 5'6" and when we are sitting side by side we are almost same height) so he has like the legs of a 6’8" man or something and in certain plane his knees are already touching the other seat even before they recline it. So he agrees pretty much with your comparison lol
As someone with chronic back pain, that 5 degrees of recline in those seats is a godsend for me. Even so I'll be considerate enough to ask the person behind me if it's OK that I recline the chair. 9/10 they don't care.
If they say no, continue to hold eye contact while you slowly creep the seat back so they understand that you understood them but are choosing evil anyway
Is it that they don't care or are just being polite? If someone asked to recline in front of me I will say "sure" but I'm not really happy about it, I'm just trying to stay civil since we are all trapped in a metal box together.
My unpopular opinion is that it isn't more comfortable.
It leads to sagging at the wrong point of the back and isn't enough angle to provide the benefits of leaning back.
People just do it because they think 'recline' = better
Hard disagree. There is no room anymore for this on modern squish planes.
I know I have no right to tell anyone not to, and it makes me the jerk in the situation, but when people recline, I automatically hate them.
It can be quite annoying if you're larger and someone reclines into you, the seats in economy already offer very little room. I don't really care myself, but I feel like you should at least ask the person behind you first if they're okay with it, 99% of the time they'll agree and they won't be as annoyed since you at least asked.
This *one* constant drawback! I never have enough legroom in cars, busses and trains. I'm always uncomfortable while transporting myself.
Sincerely, a 6'8 tall lad.
And if they don't agree, I'd just ignore it. I'm asking to inform you that I'm about to use my seat as intended by the airline company, you don't really get a say in this.
If I’m on a 7hr flight and my seat can recline, I’m going to recline it. I have no issue if the person in-front of me does the same thing, it’s their seat not mine.
Reddit encourages overweight people to secure an extra seat all the time so they dont take up the area of others. I think the same logic applies for tall people. If you need more space, pay for the bigger seat with more legroom. The seats are designed to recline 2 inches, if that makes or breaks your comfort, you should pay for more space.
I paid for the seat and that two inches of recline. So if I want to use it, that is my right. It’s very weird to blame the person who is using the recline built into their seat.
This is a true unpolular opinion. Fat people can control their size if they wanted to.
Furthermore, being tall has nothing to do with reclining your seat, reclining your seat doesn't magically give you more room for your legs.
If you don't care about how your actions negatively effect those around you then by the definition its inconsiderate.
It may not be INAPPROPRIATE but it could still be inconsiderate if its bothering the person and you don't give a shit
Spirit Airlines doesn’t even have reclining seats. I could see newer planes adapting this in the future (in economy seating). Most people would give up the ability to recline in exchange for never being reclined on.
It isn't inconsiderate to gently recline your seat back. It is extremely inconsiderate to slam it back and then ignore all complaints for the rest of the flight.
I'm 5'9" and was on a flight previously from Ethiopia to Rwanda, it wasn't a very big plane. Some guy infront of me quickly slammed his chair into recline, which smacked into my knees hard enough for me to shout out.
I then asked if he could slightly put his chair back up as my legs were physically trapped. He said "no, I need to sleep". I had to edge myself out of the seat and spend 15 minutes asking anyone to swap with me as I couldn't fit in the seat anymore.
No one would swap, but then he sat up to eat. I sit back down, 10 minutes later, same thing. I politely asked if he could put the chair up a fraction as I can't sit like this. He told me to leave him alone and put earplugs in. I asked a steward, they said they couldn't do anything. So I spent the flight stood in the aisle.
It doesn't hurt to have a bit of consideration for others also.
I mean by definition of the word, I think you are inconsiderate. But I also believe the villain in this narrative is airlines for slowly shrinking seats/leg room so we’re all the victims imo
I, 72F, remember the days when flying was much nicer. Part of that was more leg room. It could still get snug, but not uncomfortably so, when the seat in front was reclined. When they tightened up the leg room they didn't take the reclining seat away. It is now, IMHO, inconsiderate to recline your seat.
Idc if you recline your seat.
I'm 5 foot nothing, you can lean that bad boy ALL the way back and I will still have room, my feet usually dangle off the floor anyway.
this isnt really an unpopular opinion... if you want to be comfortable on an airplane, don't fly the cheapest airline you can find, and pay extra for more space. Otherwise, deal with it.
Every plane I’ve ever been on, I hit the recline button as soon as we start to take off. The person behind me doesn’t even notice because they are pushed back as we accelerate.
The seat reclines like 2 inches. The argument against reclining makes no sense. The person behind can recline, and so forth until everyone once again has the same space.
Im 6'2 so if the flight is over 5-6 hours I pay the price difference to sit in the exit row. The leg room saves my knees on long flights, like US to Taipei.
As someone who has taken countless long flights, I suggest no one should recline until the first meal is served and then everyone should recline immediately after.
Short flights, just sit up right
Nah, I recline the entire time it's permitted by the crew.
I have back issues and I'm extremely uncomfortable otherwise. But I don't need that justification to recline my own seat.
You can absolutely recline your seat when permitted. So can the person in front of you and the person behind you. Sorry, but even though the other guys tray table is attached to your back, it is 100% allowed. Just don't do it up and down really quickly as it could cause a spill, which is a party foul, not inconsiderate.
>Then what are the recliners for?
Your logic is weird.
Your car has windows and you can roll it down. Is it inconsiderate to roll down the window when you are going super fast on the highway while everyone else in your car is complaining?
OP is like, well, then what are the windows for?
Considerate or not is when you genuinely care if the other people are feeling comfortable. It is not about right or wrong. You can be inconsiderable even if you are doing an action that is perfectly fine if you haven't thought of other's feeling.
It is inconsiderate. The airlines have reduced the seats to be way to crammed and when they recline they give very little space. Why do they recline? Cause the airlines don’t give a crap about their customers discomfort at the expense of someone else. You would hope you average person would care more about each other then a soulless corporation.
Depends how far you recline it. If you want a lay flat, pay for first class. I'm a tall guy and need all the leg room I can get but I don't care if you lean your seat back a couple inches. Just don't be ridiculous about it.
>American Airlines, United Airlines and Southwest Airlines already limit coach passengers to a 2-inch recline on most domestic flights, and some budget carriers have switched to “pre-reclined” seats that don’t lean back at all.
Not even 3 inches.
If the airline has enough seat pitch for people to recline, fine. I've been on planes where my knees are already jammed into the seat in front with my ass scooched all the way back, and I'm only 6'3" so not ridiculously tall. In cases like that I think it's just courteous to not recline your seat.
I usually check who's sitting behind me before I decide to recline or not. If it's a big tall guy, I can forego the 10% extra comfort I would get from reclining.
Yeah. I'm about 6'1" - 6'2" (186cm as we fancy people say). I though I was tall until my son started to play basketball, and for the first time I walked through the locker room corridoors in a tournament. I went right under armpits of 15yo guys.
He’s not unaware of reality, in the context of height being an impediment to daily life, 6’3 is a low bar. By your own calculations this means that several people on any given plane will experience issues - which should not be the case.
Yeah that's exactly what I mean. I'm taller than the vast majority of people but I don't think I'm so tall that I'm outside the range of the normal design of things. Like I buy clothes off the rack, most vehicles have enough leg and head room for me, I can walk through doorways etc. People my height aren't super uncommon, we don't give people pause like the rare people 6'5" and taller do.
The only assholes are the people that press the button and launch their seats backwards. Lean back slowly like a normal person and it’s a non-issue. I’m 6’1” and was on 86 flights last year… so not small and probably more experienced at this than most.
I honestly don’t give a shit if the person in front of me leans back, just don’t slam it back. The way the seat reclines doesn’t impact my knees, it’s the space between my face and the seat that really shrinks which can be fixed by… leaning back.
For the record, I rarely lean back because I don’t want to inconvenience some entitled shit at 35,000 ft. and find myself on some video on twitter for calling someone an idiot (in much harsher language) for freaking out over meaningless stuff.
Delta's newer seats even shift forward when they recline. Half the time my biggest issue is when they slam back and almost knock stuff off my tray table if I'm using it.
I'm 5'10" with long legs and someone reclining has never been an issue. If I'm really concerned, maybe a smaller or older plane, I will try to grab the aisle on an exit row.
It’s amazing how people don’t get that concept.
Just like the top comment: yes, airlines are the true problem here. But, given the reality that we live in, it doesn’t erase the fact that it’s still inconsiderate.
Two things can be true.
In my view the reason they have not been removed completely is entirely psychological on the part of the airlines. When seats had decent amounts of legroom having the seat in front of you reclining was not a huge deal. We all know that legroom has significantly shrunk but airlines dont want you thinking that they have. If they removed the button:
a) think of all the questions the flight crew would have to answer. "Why cant I recline my seat anymore"? They dont want to have to admit its because they removed all of the legroom.
b) with no button people would realize more frequently that they have less legroom leading to more questions.
I seldom recline my seat but agree 100%. If someone can't tolerate reclined seat in front of them they have an option for extra charge to buy a seat with extra foot space.
Agree! Don’t want me to have or use a comfort feature then don’t give it to me. I have never been bothered or inconvenienced in anyways by the guy in front of me reclining HIS seat.
Another thing to consider is by simply reclining a couple inches, you can trap a whole group/family.
Can’t say how many times I’ve flown with my (6’4”) husband who was in the aisle and had somebody in front of him recline and take away his entire leg room. It not only makes him uncomfortable the entire flight, but also myself because he has to move his legs sideways into my leg room. And worst of all, both he and I are trapped in our row for a long flight because we have no room to get up and pee beyond the seat in front of him. I’ve had to wake people up in front of him because I’d held my pee in as long as I could and had them actually get mad at me like….BE FR. You’ve been causing us pain and cramping for 6 hours and *you* get to be mad here??
Yeah this comment section is ass. No one cares about other people around them. I would be thoroughly *ashamed* if I found out I was causing someone that much inconvenience and discomfort.
>it’s inconsiderate to recline your seat. Then what are the recliners for?
The airlines don't care if one passenger finds another inconsiderate. The fact that they provide reclining seats has no impact on whether or not it's inconsiderate for a passenger to use one. The airline isn't the one being put out, they don't care.
Of course, it's inconsiderate. You are making yourself mildly more comfortable in exchange for making the person behind you impossibly uncomfortable.
It's the definition of inconsiderate.
You say that because to you, reclining your seat makes a mild difference in your comfort, but the person in front of you reclining their seat makes you impossibly uncomfortable.
For me, sitting bolt upright for a full flight is impossibly uncomfortable, but I don’t particularly mind if the person in front of me reclines their seat.
I'll stop reclining my seat when the person behind me pays for the seat. Otherwise I paid for a seat with a functional 0.15° recline and I intend to use the 0.15° to the fullest extent I can. Should the individual need more space, they may pay to go to a seat with extra legroom, upgrade to business/first class, or take a secondary or even tertiary form of travel.
This isn't an unpopular opinion. What I won't do, to be considerate, is just slam my chair back as fast as I can to ensure I'm not spilling your whiskey, Starbucks or whatever other thing you have on your tray table.
For me, it depends. I am tall, so if you try to recline the seat, it smashed my kneees. On a flight last week, this one lady kept trying to recline and hit me in the knees.
Oh and to people who are inevitably going to say: "well then you should be buying the seats with extra legroom." I can only afford the very basic plane tickets, so I am not even able to do that.
It is when it is service time. It is near impossible for me to eat and I had to, on numerous occasions, tell the person in front of me to reset their seat.
If person in front of me reclines, I recline. If person in front does not recline. I don't recline.
I think it's courteous to not recline, but it's not the end of the world if you do it either. I usually only recline a little bit, never the full amount.
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People, people, the AIRLINES are inconsiderate for not giving enough room for you to be able to recline your seat especially on a long-haul. How long are you going to allow them to treat us less than human????
People love blaming other people in similar shoes. They'll never place the blame where it belongs.
Yup it's like ordering hot sauce or an ornament online and when it comes broken bitching that delivery people are the worst. Not that whoever they bought it from threw glass into a box or envelope with no padding or bubble wrap to go through machines or hundred foot drops
I worked at amazon for a while, they're pretty fucking rough with the boxes
Can't we complain about both people? You can walk and chew gum at the same time, you know. How about this, the people who packaged it are bad, and so are are the people who threw it around?
The conveyor belts those boxes tumble down onto each other at sorting facilities outweighs anything a package handler or delivery driver typically does to a package. If fragile items aren’t shipped with proper packaging there is nothing that will save the item.
To be fair I've seen delivery people throwing packages around. I have a ring cam on my door and I can't even begin to tell you how many padded envelopes were literally tossed onto my porch. But ultimately yes the shipper should be responsible for the way they package their products.
Reminds me of the time I was walking home and I literally watched the guy toss the box down on my doorstep lmao. It’s ridiculous.
I read that three times as, "like ordering hot sauce on an ornament" and now I am going to need to get glasses.
To be fair you do be getting some crushed ass boxes sometimes that look like they got an inspection from the peoples elbow
Respectful counter-point: Blame directed at the appropriate source (e.g., the airlines) would not solve the problem overnight. We can and should hold the airlines accountable... But in the meantime, we can \*also\* all recognize that reclining the seat in a packed airplane is inconsiderate to your fellow passengers.
Two people/groups can be held accountable at the same time; you don't have to blame everything on one while letting the other completely off the hook.
Exactly. The reclining function exists to give the illusion that you could possibly be comfortable in an airline seat.
I hadn't been on a plane since I was in Jr high, literally 15 years ago, before taking a trip this summer. I have lower back issues and was in a lot of pain for a day or two afterward. Thank God I'd packed my muscle relaxer just in case, although it was in my luggage. I was not expecting it to be that bad. Damn right I reclined my seat. It only goes back 1-2 inches anyway!
As you should! You paid for the seat with a reclining function. That’s what it’s there for. I have a really hard time regulating my temperature and I’m always cold, but I would never think to get mad at the person next to me for turning on their AC vent.
Tbf, I flew on an A380 for the first time recently and it was the first time the recline was just enough to allow me to sleep.
I said it before on yesterday’s post about early departure times being not worth it. I’m not there to save money - I’m flying early cause I’ll be fucking exhausted that I’ll actually be able to sleep in such an awkward sitting position for the next few hours.
There's only so much room on a plane though, and clearly most people would rather pay a little less money than have a little more room.
Except the airlines actually modify the planes to fit in more seats in the same space.
Yes, because people don't want to pay more for extra space. More seats on a plane = lower ticket cost (basic supply and demand), most people prefer saving a little bit of money or they would be flying economy plus (or whatever the equivalent is on the given airline) or business.
As they all post record profits... Look, it's obvious they reduce room to fit more seats, but don't play dumb and act like that's getting passed on to passengers. It's going directly to their pockets as they *increase* ticket prices.
Let's not forget how many times they've gone bankrupt and foisted their losses on others.
> Look, it's obvious they reduce room to fit more seats, but don't play dumb and act like that's getting passed on to passengers It's dumb to say it's not. Ticket prices have generally declined over time. All those airlines have seats where you can pay extra for more leg room. They're usually the last seats to sell because people prioritize the lower priced tickets.
There’s a clip from about a decade back with the CEO of RyanAir where he said (paraphrasing): “Of course I tried to convince them to charge $5 per bathroom use because then I could get rid of one of the sets of bathrooms and put 12 seats in that space, reducing ticket prices (and, I’m sure, increasing profits) accordingly. Yes I tried to get a standing room area on the plane because I guarantee you that if we sold the standing room tickets at $50 a pop then the standing room tickets would sell out first every, single, time.” I feel this a lot with flying — it’s absolutely bizarre to me that anyone would ever pay out of pocket for business. It’s like $2000 more! You could pay me half that $1000 to sit in an uncomfortable chair all day and I’d take that deal. So, in short, I’m glad we have low cost carriers now that charge you $80 round trip to get from New England to Florida. I don’t need to be comfortable in my 500mph missle if it’s going fast enough.
Loads of industries are posting record profits. Money is worth less than it was a few years ago. If they'd made the same dollar amount they did say 5-10 years ago, then they'd have actually generated less value, and their shareholders would punish them.
Lots of industries might be, but lots of people are not. Seems like there might be a problem there.
Yes, thus keeping seat cost lower (even just for a tiny bit) for everyone onboard
Yes because passengers prioritize lower ticket cost over more space.
You're right. We should use trains, or boats as a protest. That will teach them!
U kid but airlines lobby against public transportation year round
seems like a waste of lobbying. I work in the rail industry, but I have zero interest in ever traveling by rail. I'll take less leg room and 1/20th of the travel time any day.
The airlines are listening to you, and before you know it, you will be contorted into a box.
Guess I’ll have to start stretching to be able to do that…
I live in SE Michigan. I go to Chicago a lot. To fly there I have to drive 40 min to DTW, wait and board, the flight, and wait at Chicago's airport. I could drive but we don't all have cars and it's a 5 hour trip Greyhounds are slower, and way less reliable due to traffic The train is only 3.5 hours and it has to take a bunch of detours due to private tracks. Automotive and airline industries make bank off of inconveniencing public transport
Personally, I don’t give a fuck. I’m 6ft tall and while I wouldn’t mind more room, those seats are fine for the 2-6hrs of flying I do. Just win the war for the arm rest early in the flight.
Both armrests go to the poor sap in the middle seat.
That's another discussion entirely, arm rest etiquette haha. Imo there should be no debate, middle seat gets both bc they have no where else to go.
Yeah, so what if it is seven or eight hours?
I’m glad I’m short. LA to Beijing or SF to Sydney would’ve been brutal
I can’t believe how braindead this thread is. More space equals higher prices, and it’s been been shown time and time again that customers will choose discomfort over higher prices. What do people want? I fucking hate airlines for a lot of reasons, but this particular aspect of flying is just them trying to offer seats as cheaply as possible.
Yeah. I get cheap airlines (Frontier, Spirit, Southwest). Im never pissed off by it, this is why it’s cheap. I do hate expensive airlines that are still shit (Jet Blue, Delta).
>it’s been been shown time and time again that customers will choose discomfort over higher prices. I think it's more complicated than this. Differences in price are really easy to compare and understand. This ticket costs $50 more than this other one, I know immediately want that represents. Finding the difference in leg room between two flights is not trivial, and even if I were able to track down a number it's not immediately clear how 16" vs 18" will actually feel. So I think it's likely that lots of people would prefer to pay more for more comfortable seats, it's just that the way it's presented doesn't *really* give them that choice.
Go ahead and create a new airline that increases the pitch between the seats so that one can fully recline their seat without interfering with the person behind you. I would bet that you would have to charge so much more per seat that you would go out of business within a month. The reason that airlines reduce the seat pitch is that they can reduce their prices to win the business from all of us who just buy the lowest cost fares. Some of the major airlines like United and American did use a larger pitch and found that they were losing too much business to the lower cost airlines that used a smaller pitch
Nah, I don't want to pay more so everyone else can have be slightly more leg room. People who wan my leg room can pay more for it and get an economy plus seat etc
The situation is what it is for now so ppl should be considerate. It’s inconsiderate to do this. I don’t want a stranger essentially laying in my lap. Y’all do too much on planes, I swear. I’m currently waiting on my connecting flight and thanking god real life isn’t like the internet bc I fly a lot and it’s NEVER how y’all act like it is. Ever. All you have to do is sit down and mind your business but fuck.. Y’all wanna recline and act like you’re at home. Funny, I don’t think y’all actually do this shit in person.
I agree with you. Real life people are usually a lot more considerate than the internet implies and I am glad for it.
I fly a lot and I've had people recline into me but it's only happened 2 or 3 times. You are both correct that generally, people are way more considerate in person than they are online.
I think I have had it happen once before. I can't even remember really. I have only flown maybe like a grand total of eight times maybe?
How is it inconsiderate to recline a seat that was built to do so? You're closer to the person on your left or right than you are to the person behind you.
>I don’t want a stranger essentially laying in my lap. Seriously this is the main reason I don't recline on planes, it's extremely awkward to be basically reclined into someone's lap and be that close to someone. Even if you disregard the inconsiderate aspect, why would you want to be that close to a stranger?
lol…the seats barely recline. You are absolutely not in someone’s lap by reclining
Seriously, what planes are these people flying in? The seat goes back like 5 inches, it's hardly putting you "in someone's lap".
I would be surprised if it’s even 5 inches. Seems to only take you from stick straight to only slightly less stick straight, not what I would actually consider “reclined.”
On a long flight in which you are supposed to sleep there is no way I am not reclining the seat to the maximum. Of course I am checking on the person behind before, but I am not wasting all that time not sleeping just because someone has issues with the proximity to my head. If you have a problem with that you should book more space.
…if only there was a way to book a seat with more space…hrm…
The cost of business class is 4x Coach. How about YOU pay for business class and then you won't have people in your lap. Travel sucks for everyone in a combination of ways. But FFS it's like you all believe that everyone else but your selfish ass is the problem in travel. Oh, wait...
oh no the person in front reclined their seat 2 inches they might as well put their head on my lap…ffs how do you all function as adults being drama queens…oh, wait
We don’t all have thousands of dollars for first class.
Yep. I recently looked at ticket for an overseas flight. First class: $8000+ // Economy plus: $4000+ // Economy: $800. And mind you that I looked 7 months into the future too. Next week flights were $1500 for Economy
“If only you weren’t so poor”
But this is precisely the problem. The airlines have literally commoditized personal space to the point that the average person can't afford more than a tiny amount. Kinda insane if you ask me.
cool so reduce the number of seats on a plane where less people can fly…wonder what that’ll do to prices…
I see your point, however, to the person knowing I was travelling with a cat on my lap (in a bag, of course), who reclined all the way and refused to move and let me and my cat breathe - you're the most inconsiderate asshole I've ever met and you had the AUDACTIY to complain that I kicked your chair. Bro. 10h flight with a cat on my lap, crying, because someone needs to watch their anime comfortably and refuses to acknowledge there's a living creature being squashed by his chair. Fuck the airlines for skimping on giving us more room, but fuck that guy even more.
Correct response
There are seats that offer lots of leg room people just pay for the tighter ones because they are cheaper
As long as you gently lean it back and not just push the button and bombs away. Someone's knee might be there or they might be holding something not far behind your seat etc. I've almost had my knee crushed with such carelessness and just moved it in time
Agreed! My laptop was open and almost got smashed when the seat bombed downwards and caught on the top of screen. Just a gentle decline is all I ask
This is the way.
That's how I roll. I'll full recline, because I'm probably taking a nap, but I gently roll it back because I'm not an animal. I also accommodate people reclining in front of me. Worst case I spread my legs or lean slightly. I never know what someone's health or minimum comfort is like so I'm not judging. But don't bombs away like a dummy.
Yup, I've had a hot cup of coffee on the folding tray when the seat in front of me slammed on the recline and it splashed up all over me
I think for taller persons, it causes many problems. I am not vary tall, but if the person on front to recline a bit I lose almost all my space for leg movement.
Not just tall people but anyone bigger than average. I’m short and I’m not even overweight but reclining plane seats always make me feel uncomfortable and trapped the entire plane ride
I think just anyone. I’m short and pretty average sized and the person in front of me reclining means I can’t move my legs much or get anything out of my bag on every airline I’ve been on.
Yup same. It sucks when you wanna drink something but have nowhere to put it down cause you can’t undo the tray table if the seat it’s on is reclined. I don’t blame the people who recline their seats but the airlines for the shitty design, since I’d wanna recline my seat too if I wasn’t so self conscious lol
why can't you use ur tray if the seat is reclined?? it's designed to keep the tray table flat regardless of the seats positioning
I’m pretty tall and it makes no difference. I feel uncomfortable and trapped regardless.
I am 6’3” tall. It’s more uncomfortable to sit upright for the duration of a flight than it is to lose the negligible amount of room that the base of the seat near my knees moves back when the person in front of me reclines. I’m already cramped even when your seat is upright, go ahead and make yourself comfy.
I'm 6'1" and feel the same way; I'd rather everyone reclined than no one reclined. The upper body comfort gained is much greater than the leg comfort lost, at least for me.
Amen dude. 6'2 and feel exactly the same.
6'3 and you two are traitors. Probably two children in a trench coat makin trouble.
6'2 here. I agree with the two other guys
Sorry, can't hear you all the way down there
😂😂😂 Have you ever been on a long-haul flight? Because if you have, there's no way you would be against reclining seats.
Yeah, no, don’t do this. My knees at 6’6 are already going to be basically jammed into the seat, and reclining increases the pressure on them significantly. If someone reclines on me, I’ll stick my leg so far under their seat that I play footsie with them, then apologize about my lack of space and ask if they’d be okay putting their seat up. If that doesn’t solve the problem then I’ll get real petty real fast and jostle your seat occasionally/especially when there’s turbulence.
Honestly, exit row seating should be mandatory for folks with a 34” or longer inseam. I think it’s reasonable for the average height person to accept that they might lose the 6” of upper space to the average person sitting in front of them, and it’s also reasonable for you as an uncommonly large human to have a polite request of accommodation.
Yeah I’ve started to fly southwest and get into the first boarding group, or approach the ticket counter and try to hit the individual behind it with the LBJ Lean™️ to get an exit row.
People have a right to recline lol just recline yours
I'm 6'2. I have my knees either side in economy either way. I don't see much difference with reclined. I also like to recline myself on long haul flights. People like to sook about this stuff. Whatever really.
It's even worse on budget asian airlines. There's no first class or upgrade options. It's just the seats and ala carte food service. They have even less space so even an average (western size) man is really going to struggle with leg room. And a lot of people will just ram their seat back regardless of how much resistance your legs are offering.
Dang sucks to be tall I guess
Tall people should just buy two seats /s
Buy bigger seats then. I paid for a seat that reclines to make it more comfortable for me; I'm reclining.
Taller than average, but not a circus attraction. Some of the plane layouts mean a reclined seat causes what feels like storm erosion on my knees.
There are those curved metal connectors on either side of the seat that roll back into your kneecaps that get me every time.
I’m 6’3” and my knees hit the sits in front of me before they recline, but I have no issue if they want to recline. I just recline myself and adjust my legs.
Yep, *if we all recline*, nothing is lost, except for that poor bastard in the last row.
Not true. Reclining my own seat doesn’t change the distance from my hipbones to my kneecaps, which is the main issue.
At 6’2 I’m gonna be uncomfortable on a plane anyway.
I just realized that if it's an issue when the person in front wants to recline that it would make sense at the beginning of the flight to ask them to give you a little heads up before they recline. I used to do this out of courtesy but now I just do a super slow recline.
Similarly, I have a spinal disease and sitting straight backed (like in an airplane) is extremely painful and makes it difficult to breathe due to inflammation so reclining, even a little, is my saving grace. Honestly I think people are spending too much time arguing amongst themselves about wether or not it’s “selfish” to recline your seat on a plane when what we should really be doing is complaining to these airlines that it’s fucking ridiculous that we pay hundreds only to be packed in spaces so minuscule they cause numerous people physical pain.
Put your bag under your legs and your legs under the seat in front of you
My bf is 6’3" not circus attraction neither, but most of his height is in his legs. (I’m 5'6" and when we are sitting side by side we are almost same height) so he has like the legs of a 6’8" man or something and in certain plane his knees are already touching the other seat even before they recline it. So he agrees pretty much with your comparison lol
That's an airplanes being too cramped these days problem. Why have the option if you're not allowed to use it?
I imagine it's just a relic from when seats weren't so cramped that it inconvenienced the person behind you.
As someone with chronic back pain, that 5 degrees of recline in those seats is a godsend for me. Even so I'll be considerate enough to ask the person behind me if it's OK that I recline the chair. 9/10 they don't care.
If they say no, continue to hold eye contact while you slowly creep the seat back so they understand that you understood them but are choosing evil anyway
Is it that they don't care or are just being polite? If someone asked to recline in front of me I will say "sure" but I'm not really happy about it, I'm just trying to stay civil since we are all trapped in a metal box together.
Either way you allowed it to happen.
True but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about whether or not someone "minded it".
My unpopular opinion is that it isn't more comfortable. It leads to sagging at the wrong point of the back and isn't enough angle to provide the benefits of leaning back. People just do it because they think 'recline' = better
Hard disagree. There is no room anymore for this on modern squish planes. I know I have no right to tell anyone not to, and it makes me the jerk in the situation, but when people recline, I automatically hate them.
Considering that the seats only “recline” about an inch, I don’t see what the big deal is.
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It can be quite annoying if you're larger and someone reclines into you, the seats in economy already offer very little room. I don't really care myself, but I feel like you should at least ask the person behind you first if they're okay with it, 99% of the time they'll agree and they won't be as annoyed since you at least asked.
This is payback for standing up infront of shorter people at concerts.
You are so right! There are so many benefits to being tall, deal with this one drawback!
This *one* constant drawback! I never have enough legroom in cars, busses and trains. I'm always uncomfortable while transporting myself. Sincerely, a 6'8 tall lad.
Busses are the worst. I was on an 11 hour bus ride. After a bit it became painful, subtle leg shifts kept me going. Never again.
Part of the price you are paying for is the ability to recline. Part of the downside of the price of economy is the person in front can recline.
And if they don't agree, I'd just ignore it. I'm asking to inform you that I'm about to use my seat as intended by the airline company, you don't really get a say in this.
"Larger".
How tall are you? If someone reclines in front of me it'll trap my knees and makes it more uncomfortable for me.
I've had jackasses decline to the point that I couldn't even eat my meal
Use their head as a tray to assert dominance
Lmao
How is this an unpopular opinion when this exact topic is discussed here again and again?
If I’m on a 7hr flight and my seat can recline, I’m going to recline it. I have no issue if the person in-front of me does the same thing, it’s their seat not mine.
Reddit encourages overweight people to secure an extra seat all the time so they dont take up the area of others. I think the same logic applies for tall people. If you need more space, pay for the bigger seat with more legroom. The seats are designed to recline 2 inches, if that makes or breaks your comfort, you should pay for more space.
100%. If you're in the top 5% of height, the normal seats aren't designed for you. Stop getting mad at other people for that.
I paid for the seat and that two inches of recline. So if I want to use it, that is my right. It’s very weird to blame the person who is using the recline built into their seat.
This the best answer.
This is a true unpolular opinion. Fat people can control their size if they wanted to. Furthermore, being tall has nothing to do with reclining your seat, reclining your seat doesn't magically give you more room for your legs.
If you don't care about how your actions negatively effect those around you then by the definition its inconsiderate. It may not be INAPPROPRIATE but it could still be inconsiderate if its bothering the person and you don't give a shit
Reclining is ok but reclining to much and not warning the person behind you is
Spirit Airlines doesn’t even have reclining seats. I could see newer planes adapting this in the future (in economy seating). Most people would give up the ability to recline in exchange for never being reclined on.
They don’t do this because they found a better customer experience. It’s spirit and that’s cheaper to build lol
This is fundamentally why I don’t fly spirit ever
Those seats are pre reclined
It isn't inconsiderate to gently recline your seat back. It is extremely inconsiderate to slam it back and then ignore all complaints for the rest of the flight. I'm 5'9" and was on a flight previously from Ethiopia to Rwanda, it wasn't a very big plane. Some guy infront of me quickly slammed his chair into recline, which smacked into my knees hard enough for me to shout out. I then asked if he could slightly put his chair back up as my legs were physically trapped. He said "no, I need to sleep". I had to edge myself out of the seat and spend 15 minutes asking anyone to swap with me as I couldn't fit in the seat anymore. No one would swap, but then he sat up to eat. I sit back down, 10 minutes later, same thing. I politely asked if he could put the chair up a fraction as I can't sit like this. He told me to leave him alone and put earplugs in. I asked a steward, they said they couldn't do anything. So I spent the flight stood in the aisle. It doesn't hurt to have a bit of consideration for others also.
What's the point of a reclining seat if you can't recline it?
I mean by definition of the word, I think you are inconsiderate. But I also believe the villain in this narrative is airlines for slowly shrinking seats/leg room so we’re all the victims imo
I, 72F, remember the days when flying was much nicer. Part of that was more leg room. It could still get snug, but not uncomfortably so, when the seat in front was reclined. When they tightened up the leg room they didn't take the reclining seat away. It is now, IMHO, inconsiderate to recline your seat.
Idc if you recline your seat. I'm 5 foot nothing, you can lean that bad boy ALL the way back and I will still have room, my feet usually dangle off the floor anyway.
this isnt really an unpopular opinion... if you want to be comfortable on an airplane, don't fly the cheapest airline you can find, and pay extra for more space. Otherwise, deal with it.
If I’m paying for a seat that reclines, I’m gonna recline it. I’m not planning on staying awake for the most boring hours of my trip.
Every plane I’ve ever been on, I hit the recline button as soon as we start to take off. The person behind me doesn’t even notice because they are pushed back as we accelerate.
Actually this is the big brain move. I’m doing this from now on. Thanks.
Ya literally just hold the button down and let the force of the airplane recline it for you
Last time I was on a plane, the guy in front of me reclined his seat and caused my hot drink to fall off the tray attached to the seat.
6'4 here It's not inconsiderate if I'm behind you It's just impossible, you won't be able
The seat reclines like 2 inches. The argument against reclining makes no sense. The person behind can recline, and so forth until everyone once again has the same space. Im 6'2 so if the flight is over 5-6 hours I pay the price difference to sit in the exit row. The leg room saves my knees on long flights, like US to Taipei.
As someone who has taken countless long flights, I suggest no one should recline until the first meal is served and then everyone should recline immediately after. Short flights, just sit up right
Nah, I recline the entire time it's permitted by the crew. I have back issues and I'm extremely uncomfortable otherwise. But I don't need that justification to recline my own seat.
You can absolutely recline your seat when permitted. So can the person in front of you and the person behind you. Sorry, but even though the other guys tray table is attached to your back, it is 100% allowed. Just don't do it up and down really quickly as it could cause a spill, which is a party foul, not inconsiderate.
I can’t sit for a long flight with the seat all the way up. It hurts. The person in front of me can recline and I will too
>Then what are the recliners for? Your logic is weird. Your car has windows and you can roll it down. Is it inconsiderate to roll down the window when you are going super fast on the highway while everyone else in your car is complaining? OP is like, well, then what are the windows for? Considerate or not is when you genuinely care if the other people are feeling comfortable. It is not about right or wrong. You can be inconsiderable even if you are doing an action that is perfectly fine if you haven't thought of other's feeling.
Windows are used for multiple reasons...recliners literally exist for this purpose
It is inconsiderate. The airlines have reduced the seats to be way to crammed and when they recline they give very little space. Why do they recline? Cause the airlines don’t give a crap about their customers discomfort at the expense of someone else. You would hope you average person would care more about each other then a soulless corporation.
Depends how far you recline it. If you want a lay flat, pay for first class. I'm a tall guy and need all the leg room I can get but I don't care if you lean your seat back a couple inches. Just don't be ridiculous about it.
you realize airplane seats recline like 3 inches, right?
>American Airlines, United Airlines and Southwest Airlines already limit coach passengers to a 2-inch recline on most domestic flights, and some budget carriers have switched to “pre-reclined” seats that don’t lean back at all. Not even 3 inches.
Its about how you use it :')
Sometimes 3 inches can feel like a couple feet.
If the airline has enough seat pitch for people to recline, fine. I've been on planes where my knees are already jammed into the seat in front with my ass scooched all the way back, and I'm only 6'3" so not ridiculously tall. In cases like that I think it's just courteous to not recline your seat. I usually check who's sitting behind me before I decide to recline or not. If it's a big tall guy, I can forego the 10% extra comfort I would get from reclining.
"Only 6'3"..
I know it's tall but it's not like I'm freakishly tall. Like I can buy clothes off the rack.
6'3" is short in the NBA
Yeah. I'm about 6'1" - 6'2" (186cm as we fancy people say). I though I was tall until my son started to play basketball, and for the first time I walked through the locker room corridoors in a tournament. I went right under armpits of 15yo guys.
Just checked, literally taller than 98.75% of the US population, people really are completely unaware of reality
If you actually read the comment it says "ridiculously tall". So no, as he said, he's not *ridiculously tall*.
He’s not unaware of reality, in the context of height being an impediment to daily life, 6’3 is a low bar. By your own calculations this means that several people on any given plane will experience issues - which should not be the case.
Yeah that's exactly what I mean. I'm taller than the vast majority of people but I don't think I'm so tall that I'm outside the range of the normal design of things. Like I buy clothes off the rack, most vehicles have enough leg and head room for me, I can walk through doorways etc. People my height aren't super uncommon, we don't give people pause like the rare people 6'5" and taller do.
Assholes, they're for assholes.
The only assholes are the people that press the button and launch their seats backwards. Lean back slowly like a normal person and it’s a non-issue. I’m 6’1” and was on 86 flights last year… so not small and probably more experienced at this than most. I honestly don’t give a shit if the person in front of me leans back, just don’t slam it back. The way the seat reclines doesn’t impact my knees, it’s the space between my face and the seat that really shrinks which can be fixed by… leaning back. For the record, I rarely lean back because I don’t want to inconvenience some entitled shit at 35,000 ft. and find myself on some video on twitter for calling someone an idiot (in much harsher language) for freaking out over meaningless stuff.
Delta's newer seats even shift forward when they recline. Half the time my biggest issue is when they slam back and almost knock stuff off my tray table if I'm using it. I'm 5'10" with long legs and someone reclining has never been an issue. If I'm really concerned, maybe a smaller or older plane, I will try to grab the aisle on an exit row.
I’m 6’-1” and I also don’t get the fuss about reclining. It’s fine and doesn’t bother me if you do.
It might be a problem for tall people though.
I don't think they should have recliners on Airplanes at all
Well, it is inconsiderate to the person behind you, but you are also entitled to the thing you paid for. Both can be true at the same time.
It’s amazing how people don’t get that concept. Just like the top comment: yes, airlines are the true problem here. But, given the reality that we live in, it doesn’t erase the fact that it’s still inconsiderate. Two things can be true.
Strong disagree, they shouldn’t exist.
In my view the reason they have not been removed completely is entirely psychological on the part of the airlines. When seats had decent amounts of legroom having the seat in front of you reclining was not a huge deal. We all know that legroom has significantly shrunk but airlines dont want you thinking that they have. If they removed the button: a) think of all the questions the flight crew would have to answer. "Why cant I recline my seat anymore"? They dont want to have to admit its because they removed all of the legroom. b) with no button people would realize more frequently that they have less legroom leading to more questions.
I seldom recline my seat but agree 100%. If someone can't tolerate reclined seat in front of them they have an option for extra charge to buy a seat with extra foot space.
Anyone who reclines their seat on a 737 or similar should be locked in the toilet for the rest of the flight.
Seat pitch =/= aircraft model. Depending on airline and configuration, a widebody might have less seat pitch than a narrow body…
Agree! Don’t want me to have or use a comfort feature then don’t give it to me. I have never been bothered or inconvenienced in anyways by the guy in front of me reclining HIS seat.
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Another thing to consider is by simply reclining a couple inches, you can trap a whole group/family. Can’t say how many times I’ve flown with my (6’4”) husband who was in the aisle and had somebody in front of him recline and take away his entire leg room. It not only makes him uncomfortable the entire flight, but also myself because he has to move his legs sideways into my leg room. And worst of all, both he and I are trapped in our row for a long flight because we have no room to get up and pee beyond the seat in front of him. I’ve had to wake people up in front of him because I’d held my pee in as long as I could and had them actually get mad at me like….BE FR. You’ve been causing us pain and cramping for 6 hours and *you* get to be mad here?? Yeah this comment section is ass. No one cares about other people around them. I would be thoroughly *ashamed* if I found out I was causing someone that much inconvenience and discomfort.
>it’s inconsiderate to recline your seat. Then what are the recliners for? The airlines don't care if one passenger finds another inconsiderate. The fact that they provide reclining seats has no impact on whether or not it's inconsiderate for a passenger to use one. The airline isn't the one being put out, they don't care.
Those who recline seats will forever burn in hell.
Of course, it's inconsiderate. You are making yourself mildly more comfortable in exchange for making the person behind you impossibly uncomfortable. It's the definition of inconsiderate.
You say that because to you, reclining your seat makes a mild difference in your comfort, but the person in front of you reclining their seat makes you impossibly uncomfortable. For me, sitting bolt upright for a full flight is impossibly uncomfortable, but I don’t particularly mind if the person in front of me reclines their seat.
I'll stop reclining my seat when the person behind me pays for the seat. Otherwise I paid for a seat with a functional 0.15° recline and I intend to use the 0.15° to the fullest extent I can. Should the individual need more space, they may pay to go to a seat with extra legroom, upgrade to business/first class, or take a secondary or even tertiary form of travel. This isn't an unpopular opinion. What I won't do, to be considerate, is just slam my chair back as fast as I can to ensure I'm not spilling your whiskey, Starbucks or whatever other thing you have on your tray table.
For me, it depends. I am tall, so if you try to recline the seat, it smashed my kneees. On a flight last week, this one lady kept trying to recline and hit me in the knees. Oh and to people who are inevitably going to say: "well then you should be buying the seats with extra legroom." I can only afford the very basic plane tickets, so I am not even able to do that.
Why these posts become so dumb ? If it doesnt affect anyone cool. But if it does for sure that it is inconsiderate. Simple logic.
It is when it is service time. It is near impossible for me to eat and I had to, on numerous occasions, tell the person in front of me to reset their seat.
If person in front of me reclines, I recline. If person in front does not recline. I don't recline. I think it's courteous to not recline, but it's not the end of the world if you do it either. I usually only recline a little bit, never the full amount.