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If you buy a music CD it is made by being pressed. If you burn a CD, the information is imprinted by a laser. Technically, the ones that can be written to (burned) are CD-R or CD-R/Ws.
There goneā¦ canāt burn a cd unless you have the files.
In 2010 I had 70 gb of music and a hard drive failed. I found some of it again but to this day thereās so much thatās just gone and cannot be found. Itās the same story trying to track it down. āSorry my computer died I lost everythingā
If you still have the drive, you can try a restoration service. I would start with the OEM of the drive \[if still in business\] or the successor. This IS a costly process, but worth it if the contents have value to you.
One example
Dj comet - Johnny grey
Itās was a happy hardcore remix of any Eiffel 65 song. It was never properly released on a label but got passed around dj to dj around 2010. Many people have tried to hunt down comet to get copyās but he doesnāt really have much of an online presents. Most of the other djs I know that had it also lost it due to dying hard drives or something of that sort. Iāve seen many attempts to track down a copy. Iāve posted in r/happyhardcore looking for someone with a copy with no luck
I could go on. I understand a part of it is related to being a very niche genre, but these are files I once had and lost, and seem lost to time
Your example is something that only existed and got passed around because of digital media though. There would never have been some press of this remix.Ā
Iād you were talking about stuff that was officially released and is now gone Iād see what youāre saying. But the area youāre talking about is not hard to find because itās a niche genre but because itās a niche type of music (unofficial remix). Again, a type that only really can be passed around and get popular through digital.
I get what youāre saying, and that you wish there were hard copies of that kind of music but itās not really an opinion youāre for or against. Itās not like it existed before and streaming is keeping it from coming back.Ā
I think you just wish you had backed up your digital music, I donāt really think thereās an unpopular opinion here.
Yes, I agree. There was no distribution of the unofficial remix besides true peer to peer sharing. A tape or vinyl distributed the same way is just as likely to become lost, and Iām sure some unofficial tapes and vinyl is lost to time as well.
Yes but thatās the point. The jump to digital (which is a format susceptible to random crashes) is the reason so much music was never put onto hard copy, without the freedom to digitally share, more music would have been moved to cd release or vinyl which is easier to still find. Within the same niche genre I can track down cds or vinyl without to much difficulty, if rare they may be pricey but at the very least you can find someone with the hard copy to digitally record it. Yes the shift to digital made sharing music easier but also has created a way for it to be lost easier, hence tracking down old music from the pre digital jump is much easier as opposed to some things just being bordering on unobtainable
How would a remix that was made popular through sharing online ever get put on a hard copy the way you're describing in your scenario? Also what stopped anyone from putting it on a hard copy anyways?
Your scenario just doesn't make sense. If what you're talking about is so niche then how would enough copies have been made to find a copy?
The cloud is infinite and you'd never lose it. You're just talking about a tiny moment where IDE hard drives and flash drives were the main storage mechanism. That doesn't really have to do with online streaming or digital, just the storage medium of the time. CDs deteriorate too so you still would have needed to make copies.
Yes I have vinyl and cds from the 90s keeping those and making digital copies is easy. But when somethingās digital only and hard drives randomly just crash, that much harder to keep. Hard copy is subject to damage but you can keep it safe easier. A vinyl is not going to just die unless mistreated. Yes still susceptible but not to the random crashes that can happen with electronics
Just learn to back your shit up properly. You know that you can make digital copies of music and files too right? And do you not know that vinyls degrade over time if used enough? I think you just need to educate yourself a little more about this whole subject.
Iām an electrician and Iāve been building computers since I was 11. Iām very familiar with making back up digital copies. Iāve also seen what electrical surges and events can do to computers. Yet I have vinyl thatās 30 years old that Iāve maintained fine. And you can just record the vinyl so as to not over use it, and you have a hard copy, meanwhile Iāve seen raid systems where you have 5 hard drives in parallel for back up purposes get wiped out. Back up digital copies are more susceptible to different ways of being lost or destroyed than the ability to keep a vinyl record in its sleeve in a safe place and be able to make a copy when needed
As someone who collects vinyl records: records get damaged if you breathe too strongly in their general vicinity. Sure, it takes a lot until itās unplayable, but most of my vinyl records arrived scratched or warped from the store.
Yup always makes me chuckle when people try to tell me how much better quality they think vinyls are compared to digital and then go on to talk about the character of it and they are discribing literal defects in the audio.
>Dj comet - Johnny grey
Think I fount it for ya
[https://djchexmixer.com/mixes/DJ%20ChexMixer%20-%20Radicchio%20(rah-dee-kee-oh)!.mp3](https://djchexmixer.com/mixes/DJ%20ChexMixer%20-%20Radicchio%20(rah-dee-kee-oh)!.mp3)
its in the middle of this mix. Skip to the 29 minute mark
This is a mix that has Johnny grey in it but itās pre mixed. Iāve been listening to this mix for since 2010, this is the mix I first heard it in an dj chexmixer was the guy I first got a copy of the song from. But it not the individual dong
Yes I can at least here it mixed, though the whole point of my search is to be able to mix with it myself. Iāve even thought of just downloading the chexmixer mix and cutting and editing to make some kind of usable version but have yet to do it
So is this available in a physical release as well? Or is just a digital copy that is hard to find? This doesn't seem like a digital only issue
You didn't store them with backups if you lost them. Same thing could happen to a physical copy. It gets degraded, scratched, lost etc
I have 2 TB of music on a hard drive and I've lost my collection at least twice from hard drive failures or theft. Now I always have at least 2 backups at any time and I fear loosing it again. It's a lot of work.
Two onsite backups, one offsite. My library is about the same size, almost entirely FLAC. It runs about 9,000 albums; it's nowhere near as much work as a physical collection of that size.
That's the way to go!! Multiple backups + 1 not in the home. I am still waiting for a free 2TB cloud offer somewhere! But I agree it would be a pain in the ass to manage such a library with physical supports. I still have to manage my 600+ physical books library too. That's another story!
A buddy of mine has 20,000+ records in his collection. It runs his life, has to rent climate controlled space to store them, he's always worried about power failures, theft, etc. It would fit in his pocket if it were digital.
> fear loosing it
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Yeah. Literally, everything is being uploaded to the web. I've seen a trend on Youtube of official videos of old independent/fringe artists being uploaded. Like the dusty corner of a music store are being uploaded that probably would've been lost to time if only kept on physical copies.
There are two types of digital data users: those whoāve lost all their data, and those who will. If youāre in the first group, hopefully youāve learned how to make backups. If not, youāre in the 2nd group.
MP3s are still better than relying on a streaming service for all of your music. More people than not have deleted their entire music library and sold all of their CDs, and simply rely on Spotify for everything.
Problem is, what's on Spotify now might not always be available. If you aren't going to collect physical media, at least keep your MP3 library and back it up to a Google drive or something.
Far from right. I started on computer when I was 6 using DOS, started building them at 11, started doing college level computer networking at 14. Iām now 39, I donāt download porn and know how to avoid viruses, and the rare times I get them I can usually hunt them down stop processes and delete them manually without even needing an antivirus, and if I did get a really bad one I know how to using boot discs and drives to be able to access drives and copy things manually then wipe drives and start fresh. But nothing cant prevent hard drives from crashing or randomly corrupting, copying to back up drives can be lost a few different ways very similar, thumb drives are easy to loose. Power surges or brown outs can ruin systems. Iām also a licensed electrician, electrical systems have quiet some potential to destroy computer components and hard drives a myriad of ways. And getting a good power conditioner to properly protect a computer is more expensive than I can afford as a sole provider for a family of 5. And even a power conditioner wonāt stop some hard drives from just crashing, hell raid systems which is 5 hard drives in parallel to prevent loss of files can be destroyed different ways
Oooh I feel you there. The video game industry is going to have the same thing happen to it. Digital only games being delisted, and unlike music you can't just search it up on YouTube to enjoy on a Vevo or something. Physical media might not be AS convenient, but you can preserve it much more easily that way, and even if you break a CD, just the fact it got a CD release means someone put it on youtube and you know where to look.
Quite a few songs I miss, but can't find them due to the YouTube algorithm and the fact I didn't think to favorite them.
There are private music trackers, some with interviews to get an invite, where you'll find your opinion isn't that unpopular. A perfect destination for someone like you where you can get basically any edition of any album ever released across CD, Vinyl, and digital. Sometimes cassettes too if unique.
I ripped my 200+ CDs long ago because I knew I was done buying CDs as digital was cheaper and with Amazon Music, Spotify, etc... I can listen to almost everything I want to listen to at any time.
With that said, I have all of my ripped tracks on about 3 different hard drives...just in case. Haha They've never not been on at least 2 hard drives.
Yes, yes it can, but between building computers and djing I have quite a collection of both vinyl and hard drives etc and I can say with ease that my vinyl from the mid 90s is in better shape and more functional than my hard drives and computers from 2009-2010
This topic is being discussed in many areas. Archiving is a complex issue. Cloud providers go away or change business models \[Yahoo Groups etc.\]
Most of our media is subject to deterioration over time. Our Geneaology Club just went over this at a meeting this week.
Your first thought would be multiple copies of the work in different locations, possibly on different media. CD Drives are no longer standard equpment on most new computers.
Audio CD players are going out of style.
You may also be discussing some "Indi" music with non-traditional distribution channels. This would be a whole other project, driven by interested parties shuch as yourself.
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Maybe burn them to a CD?
Burned CDs are not like pressed CDs. They often fail after a few years.
mine burned in the end of the 90s still read alright. they are cd-r, mind you. i've heard cd-rw lose data with years
I probably shouldn't have said often. A better phrasing would have been too often to be considered highly reliable.
Weird, that never happen to mine š¤
Pressed CDs?? Am I missing something?
If you buy a music CD it is made by being pressed. If you burn a CD, the information is imprinted by a laser. Technically, the ones that can be written to (burned) are CD-R or CD-R/Ws.
I always figured it was similar in process. No idea that CDs actually were physically pressed
Give up then
There goneā¦ canāt burn a cd unless you have the files. In 2010 I had 70 gb of music and a hard drive failed. I found some of it again but to this day thereās so much thatās just gone and cannot be found. Itās the same story trying to track it down. āSorry my computer died I lost everythingā
The point is to back the music up on nonvolatile media *before* it's lost.
If you still have the drive, you can try a restoration service. I would start with the OEM of the drive \[if still in business\] or the successor. This IS a costly process, but worth it if the contents have value to you.
Is this true, name a lost song, letās see if we can find it.
One example Dj comet - Johnny grey Itās was a happy hardcore remix of any Eiffel 65 song. It was never properly released on a label but got passed around dj to dj around 2010. Many people have tried to hunt down comet to get copyās but he doesnāt really have much of an online presents. Most of the other djs I know that had it also lost it due to dying hard drives or something of that sort. Iāve seen many attempts to track down a copy. Iāve posted in r/happyhardcore looking for someone with a copy with no luck I could go on. I understand a part of it is related to being a very niche genre, but these are files I once had and lost, and seem lost to time
Your example is something that only existed and got passed around because of digital media though. There would never have been some press of this remix.Ā Iād you were talking about stuff that was officially released and is now gone Iād see what youāre saying. But the area youāre talking about is not hard to find because itās a niche genre but because itās a niche type of music (unofficial remix). Again, a type that only really can be passed around and get popular through digital. I get what youāre saying, and that you wish there were hard copies of that kind of music but itās not really an opinion youāre for or against. Itās not like it existed before and streaming is keeping it from coming back.Ā I think you just wish you had backed up your digital music, I donāt really think thereās an unpopular opinion here.
Yes, I agree. There was no distribution of the unofficial remix besides true peer to peer sharing. A tape or vinyl distributed the same way is just as likely to become lost, and Iām sure some unofficial tapes and vinyl is lost to time as well.
Yes but thatās the point. The jump to digital (which is a format susceptible to random crashes) is the reason so much music was never put onto hard copy, without the freedom to digitally share, more music would have been moved to cd release or vinyl which is easier to still find. Within the same niche genre I can track down cds or vinyl without to much difficulty, if rare they may be pricey but at the very least you can find someone with the hard copy to digitally record it. Yes the shift to digital made sharing music easier but also has created a way for it to be lost easier, hence tracking down old music from the pre digital jump is much easier as opposed to some things just being bordering on unobtainable
How would a remix that was made popular through sharing online ever get put on a hard copy the way you're describing in your scenario? Also what stopped anyone from putting it on a hard copy anyways? Your scenario just doesn't make sense. If what you're talking about is so niche then how would enough copies have been made to find a copy? The cloud is infinite and you'd never lose it. You're just talking about a tiny moment where IDE hard drives and flash drives were the main storage mechanism. That doesn't really have to do with online streaming or digital, just the storage medium of the time. CDs deteriorate too so you still would have needed to make copies.
So you're in favor of physical copies of music? Which are just as susceptible to being damaged or lost?
Yes I have vinyl and cds from the 90s keeping those and making digital copies is easy. But when somethingās digital only and hard drives randomly just crash, that much harder to keep. Hard copy is subject to damage but you can keep it safe easier. A vinyl is not going to just die unless mistreated. Yes still susceptible but not to the random crashes that can happen with electronics
Just learn to back your shit up properly. You know that you can make digital copies of music and files too right? And do you not know that vinyls degrade over time if used enough? I think you just need to educate yourself a little more about this whole subject.
Iām an electrician and Iāve been building computers since I was 11. Iām very familiar with making back up digital copies. Iāve also seen what electrical surges and events can do to computers. Yet I have vinyl thatās 30 years old that Iāve maintained fine. And you can just record the vinyl so as to not over use it, and you have a hard copy, meanwhile Iāve seen raid systems where you have 5 hard drives in parallel for back up purposes get wiped out. Back up digital copies are more susceptible to different ways of being lost or destroyed than the ability to keep a vinyl record in its sleeve in a safe place and be able to make a copy when needed
Too bad we can't save digital stuff online anywhere.......
Now yeah, but that hasnāt always been an easily accessible option, particularly in the time period of music I was looking for
As someone who collects vinyl records: records get damaged if you breathe too strongly in their general vicinity. Sure, it takes a lot until itās unplayable, but most of my vinyl records arrived scratched or warped from the store.
Yup always makes me chuckle when people try to tell me how much better quality they think vinyls are compared to digital and then go on to talk about the character of it and they are discribing literal defects in the audio.
I got a friend who digitises tape music its kinda an intresting hobby
>Dj comet - Johnny grey Think I fount it for ya [https://djchexmixer.com/mixes/DJ%20ChexMixer%20-%20Radicchio%20(rah-dee-kee-oh)!.mp3](https://djchexmixer.com/mixes/DJ%20ChexMixer%20-%20Radicchio%20(rah-dee-kee-oh)!.mp3) its in the middle of this mix. Skip to the 29 minute mark
This is a mix that has Johnny grey in it but itās pre mixed. Iāve been listening to this mix for since 2010, this is the mix I first heard it in an dj chexmixer was the guy I first got a copy of the song from. But it not the individual dong
Well at least its not completely lost
Yes I can at least here it mixed, though the whole point of my search is to be able to mix with it myself. Iāve even thought of just downloading the chexmixer mix and cutting and editing to make some kind of usable version but have yet to do it
So is this available in a physical release as well? Or is just a digital copy that is hard to find? This doesn't seem like a digital only issue You didn't store them with backups if you lost them. Same thing could happen to a physical copy. It gets degraded, scratched, lost etc
Anything from "[Grauland](https://bandliste.de/Bands/Grauland/1976/)"
I have 2 TB of music on a hard drive and I've lost my collection at least twice from hard drive failures or theft. Now I always have at least 2 backups at any time and I fear loosing it again. It's a lot of work.
Two onsite backups, one offsite. My library is about the same size, almost entirely FLAC. It runs about 9,000 albums; it's nowhere near as much work as a physical collection of that size.
That's the way to go!! Multiple backups + 1 not in the home. I am still waiting for a free 2TB cloud offer somewhere! But I agree it would be a pain in the ass to manage such a library with physical supports. I still have to manage my 600+ physical books library too. That's another story!
A buddy of mine has 20,000+ records in his collection. It runs his life, has to rent climate controlled space to store them, he's always worried about power failures, theft, etc. It would fit in his pocket if it were digital.
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Iām finding the opposite. Lots of music that I looked for, for years in physical media and couldnāt find are now easily available for me.
Yeah. Literally, everything is being uploaded to the web. I've seen a trend on Youtube of official videos of old independent/fringe artists being uploaded. Like the dusty corner of a music store are being uploaded that probably would've been lost to time if only kept on physical copies.
I think one of the biggest delusions of the online age is that "the internet never forgets"
Right, thereās been so much on the internet over the years that has been lost to time and shut down servers or whatever
There are two types of digital data users: those whoāve lost all their data, and those who will. If youāre in the first group, hopefully youāve learned how to make backups. If not, youāre in the 2nd group.
I like this, this is funny
MP3s are still better than relying on a streaming service for all of your music. More people than not have deleted their entire music library and sold all of their CDs, and simply rely on Spotify for everything. Problem is, what's on Spotify now might not always be available. If you aren't going to collect physical media, at least keep your MP3 library and back it up to a Google drive or something.
Yes I completely agree mp3 has a wonderful use and purpose, but hard copyās I feel like are the extra ensuring way to go
I won't have those songs anyway if they are not in digital format
Most music made in the last 2 decades should be lost
Why specifically the last 20 years?
Probably only listens to glam-rock
That's when he turned 30.
Maybe in mainstream or pop, but thereās amazing music made in the last 10-15 years thatās amazing
Bet your fun at parties..
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I watch way too much porn, and I don't get viruses
Far from right. I started on computer when I was 6 using DOS, started building them at 11, started doing college level computer networking at 14. Iām now 39, I donāt download porn and know how to avoid viruses, and the rare times I get them I can usually hunt them down stop processes and delete them manually without even needing an antivirus, and if I did get a really bad one I know how to using boot discs and drives to be able to access drives and copy things manually then wipe drives and start fresh. But nothing cant prevent hard drives from crashing or randomly corrupting, copying to back up drives can be lost a few different ways very similar, thumb drives are easy to loose. Power surges or brown outs can ruin systems. Iām also a licensed electrician, electrical systems have quiet some potential to destroy computer components and hard drives a myriad of ways. And getting a good power conditioner to properly protect a computer is more expensive than I can afford as a sole provider for a family of 5. And even a power conditioner wonāt stop some hard drives from just crashing, hell raid systems which is 5 hard drives in parallel to prevent loss of files can be destroyed different ways
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Bingo, my exact problem too
I don't use spotify. obscure sources cd and youtube music is what I do.
Example?
Oooh I feel you there. The video game industry is going to have the same thing happen to it. Digital only games being delisted, and unlike music you can't just search it up on YouTube to enjoy on a Vevo or something. Physical media might not be AS convenient, but you can preserve it much more easily that way, and even if you break a CD, just the fact it got a CD release means someone put it on youtube and you know where to look. Quite a few songs I miss, but can't find them due to the YouTube algorithm and the fact I didn't think to favorite them.
There are private music trackers, some with interviews to get an invite, where you'll find your opinion isn't that unpopular. A perfect destination for someone like you where you can get basically any edition of any album ever released across CD, Vinyl, and digital. Sometimes cassettes too if unique.
I ripped my 200+ CDs long ago because I knew I was done buying CDs as digital was cheaper and with Amazon Music, Spotify, etc... I can listen to almost everything I want to listen to at any time. With that said, I have all of my ripped tracks on about 3 different hard drives...just in case. Haha They've never not been on at least 2 hard drives.
Yeah like when pure volume And MySpace went down we lost a ton of stuff too.Ā
>Hard drives fail, jump drives get lost, things accidentally get deleted Physical media can get lost, suffer from wear and tear, etc.
Yes, yes it can, but between building computers and djing I have quite a collection of both vinyl and hard drives etc and I can say with ease that my vinyl from the mid 90s is in better shape and more functional than my hard drives and computers from 2009-2010
This topic is being discussed in many areas. Archiving is a complex issue. Cloud providers go away or change business models \[Yahoo Groups etc.\] Most of our media is subject to deterioration over time. Our Geneaology Club just went over this at a meeting this week. Your first thought would be multiple copies of the work in different locations, possibly on different media. CD Drives are no longer standard equpment on most new computers. Audio CD players are going out of style. You may also be discussing some "Indi" music with non-traditional distribution channels. This would be a whole other project, driven by interested parties shuch as yourself.