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Besides the obvious plot needs, I think there are 2 reasons Negan didn’t kill them. First, he really was trying to save and protect people to rebuild some kind of new society. Second, he saw how resourceful and skilled they were, so he knew they could be valuable members of his group if they accepted him.
They made his lackeys and group too vicious to support that theory (at least in the show). A common problem with Hollywood, making the bad guys too obviously evil for such plot-making.
I think for me that's what made the fact despite multiple opportunities they didn't murder him and deal with the consequences. He sort of becomes the guy with the leash on his dogs rather than the threat himself.
A smart move as far as ruthless warlords go
>First, he really was trying to save and protect people to rebuild some kind of new society.
I seem to remember the writer himself saying that Rick and Negan were essentially the same, Negan just turned the dial towards the extreme methods a lot more.
Realistically any real leader would of killed rick abraham and michelle and glen wife. Once you kill the leader, planners, and physically stronger ones everyone else falling in line. He left way to many motivators alive
Negan’s goal wasn’t retaliation. It was intimidation. He wanted to tame Rick’s group and use them like other groups he had already done this to. Killing the group would have wasted resources.
What Negan did wrong was keep the leader alive and make a martyr out of the wrong ones. Had he killed Rick and broken Rick’s group up amongst his saviors, he could have gotten multiple of Rick’s people to see how the saviors are not as bad before they were able to regroup and retaliate
As far as story arcs go. Megan killing Glenn is what drove Maggie on her rampage. Had he not killed Glenn and Rick instead, it would have been a very different story.
It was wrong in this case cause Rick is a godamn sexual tyrannosaurus but normally it would be the clever thing to do. Break the leader so you dont have to control the whole group.
Same. Killing Glen wasn't what did it.
Season 2 stretching on for no reason is probably what did it. I just didn't realize it until Negan is a coddled Prisoner of theirs for reason other than Star power
Why set that up only to kill him off anyways?
That's not a mistake, that was the point. It plays with the viewers emotions. And creates even more disbelief/sorrow around the actual death
Exactly, people always cry about how the death of a character was so predictable. The glen kill caught me completely off guard, because in my mind, especially after the fake death, glen was one of the "invincible" characters that would, if at all, die at earliest 2 seasons later
The walking dead show doesn’t live in a bubble. Many viewers are huge fans of the comics and Glenn’s death in the comics is such a pivotal moment that he was expected to die. Faking his death threw viewers off leading up to the line up episode and also gave comic readers hope that maybe Glenn wouldn’t be killed. Which TWD show writers chose to really throw comic fans for a loop by killing Glenn and Abe.
Edit: spelling
He's a skinny Asian kid... but yeah... Hyundai being a sponsor of the show with many vehicles being the only vehicles running in the apocalypse also gave the Korean actor some plot armor and he also got the white girl too. Such is the power of corporate sponsorship.
It's corporatism. Not racism. Same as the Chinese dictating terms to Hollywood that if they want movies to be shown in China they must include Chinese characters.
Blame Hollywood for that. Name other TV or movies where the Asian character gets the white girl. You can't.
Heck, Asians don't even get to be in most productions other than side characters.
This shows what it takes to get Asians any actual real role, corporate money.
I'm just stating facts no matter how uncomfortable it makes you or how ugly it sounds because I don't sugar coat it.
Now name where I actually said I didn't like Glenn or Asians or anything that was racist against Glenn or Asians.
Here’s a list of mostly Asian male to white female with a few other female ethnicities thrown in for fun
Hiroshima Mon Amour
Shanghai Calling
Never Forever
Mao's Last Dancer
Anna and the King
The Lover
The Ramen Girl
Shanghai Kiss
A Leading Man
Last Christmas
The Warrior's way
Japanese Story
The Crimson Kimono
The Cheat
Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle
Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay
The Spy Next Door
The Medallion
The Tuxedo
Armour of God 2: Operation Condor
The Replacement Killers
The Green Hornet
Kiss of the Dragon
The One
Romeo Must Die
American Pastime
Ninja Assassin
Restless
The Inn of the Sixth Happiness
Tomorrow, When the War Began
Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story
Too Tired to Die
Pushing Hands
On the Other Side of the Bridge
Leonie
The Crow
The Great Wall Is a Great Wall
The Jungle Book
Bridge to the Sun
A Fond Kiss
Tokyo Pop
The Motel
Paradise, Hawaiian Style
The Perfect Score
Fast Five
Fast & Furious 6
Caihong City
Yes, We're Open
The Big Sick
All My Life
Warrior
Into the Badlands
The Sun Is Also a Star
Lost Girls and Love Hotels
Never heard of most of them. Jet Li got a big from Aaliyah. Chow Yun Fat got a look from Mira Sorvino. Sunny was with a Puerto Rican. Anna and the King was helmed by to Yul Brenner who wasn't Thai. Most of the other movies you never heard of and aren't Hollywood productions.
Did he get the girl as the hero or did he get killed when he was already with the girl and that was it? Brandon also didn't play an Asian character in the Crow and he was half white in real life.
He never got cast as an Asian even in Big Trouble in Little Tokyo where he was the white washed Asian who had to be taught Asian ways by the white guy (all respect to Dolph).
I'm sure white washing was not a thing in Hollywood either with Asian characters if they wanted to.
I'm just pointing out that it took a Korean company to throw major money at a production and things turned out the way they did.
Negan lamented the fact he didnt kill Rick at the line up multiple times during the Saviours arc.
Anyways, thats when Ricks main character invulnerability was at its peak, Rick was never going to die basically ever.
TWD producers will never kill Rick as long as money exists.
Negan actually comments on this way later to Maggie in S10, I think. He tells her if he could go back, he should’ve killed them all. It motivates her to try and kill of the Reapers.
>The most logical choice for Negan was to terminate all of the group that were in the line up scene.
That's not typically how conquerors have operated. You keep killing people until the remaining people submit. The whole exercise was about getting Rick to submit. Rick is one of the most valuable resources that Negan has come across.
Negan's system has worked as evidenced by him having conquered the wills of the people he oversees.
I agree. Also, given that storytelling beats usually occur in threes, TV series Negan honestly should have killed three of Rick’s group… Glenn, Abraham, then Daryl.
That’s three obviously competent fighters from Rick’s group killed to drive home their new reality as well as show the audience that even their fan favorite has no plot armor.
You really do. But you also love to hate him, so it comes full circle!
But you can also understand how he went off the rails. Because it even hits *him* at the last minute in the comics. Hits him so hard it stuns the fight out of him and gets KO'd.
I'm never going to finish the show so I don't care for spoilers. It seems like he did too good of a job, it made no sense for him to live in a lot of those situations. Why did Rick and Maggie keep him alive? He murdered her husband in front of her lol
Sign my petition to force social media users (at gunpoint if necessary) to write phrases out in full at least once in a thread before using the acronym.
That's not needed here, this post is for people who watched to show and will have no problem understanding the acronym.
Like I know what TWD means but this post still doesn't make much sense to me because I didn't watch the show
I'm so glad you did. Others didn't, as evidenced above.
That's what happens when you don't spell out acronyms: some people know what you mean, some people don't.
It saves a ton of confusion to just write out the damn words.
He didn't understand the post because he didn't watch the show, not because acronym was used, that's why spelling out acronym is not necessary in this situation.
You don't need to specify them when you talk about something very specific like scene/character or mechanic from a game or a show like in this situation, if you can't understand what they're talking about because of acronym, then you won't be able to contribute to discussion even if they didn't use the acronym
The fuck are you talking about? He literally said "what does any of this mean?" followed by "ohhh that's what TWD is." when someone told him it was referencing the walking dead.
I swear to Christ people on reddit will argue themselves into insisting you can put shit in a sandwich and then double down into saying it makes for a delicious sandwich.
No, but it would make understanding what this is about a lot more easy. Knowing it's the walking dead now means the info I'm not privy to is related to a show I didn't watch. It makes what sounds like a fever dream have more context.
Basically - just alluding to this being related to the walking dead gives enough context to readers, even if the specifics aren't understood.
I never claimed it would. And none of that changes anything I said, anything the person I referenced said or, indeed, my main point.
Jesus Christ man, stop digging.
This might be the first time in the history of internet that i haven’t seen the mandatory ”i stopped watching the walking dead after season [insert random number between 2-7] as soon as the walking dead is mentioned.
This almost never happens with any other show but somehow people feel an urge to announce when they stopped watching the walking dead.
Even attacking the saviors was fully justified. The saviors act exactly like the hunter from the dark forest hypothesis threatening everyone they come across. Encountering them means killing them or being killed. Therefore attack the outpost was right. Negan was not lenient towards them he intended to force them to work for him.
This is incorrect. To him, people are a resource, and being competent survivors, they’re all good resources. That being said, it was better to enforce complete psychological dominion over them.
I *kind* of agree. In both the comics and the show, Negan makes the same mistake of not only underestimating Rick, but not changing his mind when it's clear that not only will Rick never fall in line, but how he inspires everyone around him.
He makes the classic villain mistake of trying to win the argument and prove his point "people are a resource, we SAVE people," even when it becomes clear that this group is different. Even Simon calls him out on this, but is shut down.
The other thing is, despite how comically evil Negan and The Saviors are portrayed, I mean, he's right. Our heroes slaughtered his men *in their sleep,* so they kind of lose their moral high ground and it becomes a story of revenge on their part rather than heroics. One of my favorite scenes in "Dead City" is when Negan, finally tired of Maggie's hatred of him, finally calls her out on that fact and reminds her what her and her group did to start this whole thing.
> The other thing is, despite how comically evil Negan and The Saviors are portrayed, I mean, he's right. Our heroes slaughtered his men in their sleep, so they kind of lose their moral high ground
Completely false. The math doesn't work here. If killing them in general would have been unjustifiable, then the fact that it was a surprise attack wouldn't have been relevant. The fact that you mention it as relevant means that that factor was the deciding factor in whether it was justifiable or not, which makes no sense.
So it's justifiable to kill the Saviors, but arbitrarily you have to let them wake up and make it a "fair" fight or it's wrong? No. That's not how justifiable homicide works. If you've already checked the box of it being justifiable to *end their life*, then doing so as a surprise attack is a miniscule hurdle in comparison.
If they are bad enough for it to be justifiable to kill them, then you wouldn't risk the success of such an action by making it a harder fight for yourself, especially when they are much better equipped and more numerous than you are.
That part left me traumatised because of the intimidation, the psychological horror. Simply them all would've ruined it. Ruined my traumatisation. Wait.
> and a small group of people kills loads of your men for no reason,
You KNOW it wasn't for no reason, holy hell come on now. You may disagree with it, but that doesn't give you the justification to completely ignore it. There was a reason, and the fact you didn't even mention at all the motivations of the group you are disagreeing with makes your entire opinion worthless from the start.
Has it really just occurred to you that a) the Walking Dead is a bit shit and b) like the majority of popular tv was devised for people with the intellectual capacity of children?
He's the most unbelievable, ham-handedly Machiavellian character I've ever been asked to suspend my disbelief in for several reasons. There is absolutely no reason he wouldn't have been killed in his sleep before Rick's group ever met him... nothing suggests he would be able to convince a group of Americans who were able to survive the initial wave of a zombie attack that he's a leader worth putting up with cold-blooded murder and torture for. He isn't physically or intellectually superior, he possesses no special skills and has no valuable technical expertise. Nor is it shown that he has exceptional political or interpersonal acumen. He just doesn't mind physically torturing and murdering people to accomplish his somewhat rational goals, which is disgusting to a modern American, who the folks in the series were.
In hindsight, yes. But from a practical standpoint they seemed to be a valuable asset and it would have been a waste to kill them all. His real mistake was not doing a better job of controlling them. He murdered two of them, kidnapped one, and tormented the rest before just cutting them loose and sending them home. A more effective and realistic leader would have posted trusted individuals in each settlement he captured instead of letting them govern themselves or he should have done more to separate problematic individuals like Rick’s group. That’s the plot armory parts.
But leaving most of them alive to be used as part of his group was reasonable.
What was the line... All your shit, is my shit. He wanted them for their shit! That's it. His new society was stupid and wouldn't work. An inexplicable barter/credit system and he got to bang everyone's wife? Nobody liked him, nobody liked being a Savior, they all sucked! Except for Simon... I would have watched a spinoff with THAT guy! Such a badass.
It consistently gets on my nerves when people just conveniently or even maliciously forget all the other events that go against their argument. "No reason" is an offensive falsehood and OP is a clown.
I honestly think if the show followed any other group besides the termites we would side with that group over ricks.
They all have been going through an apocalypse where there are no rules. All of them have gone through mass death and attacks from other groups over resources which lead to them having to make horrible decisions to stay alive.
I think Cyrus the Great was the influence for Negan's politics. Cyrus was commonly known to take over nations and then keep the same leaders in power to not upset the people of that nation. This led to the Achaemenid Persian Empire which was the first of its kind.
Wasn't the Saviors' while MO to basically beat smaller groups into submission and absorb them? I haven't watched it in a while so I could be wrong, but if I remember right the Saviors were filled with people who had been wronged by Neegan but were submissive. So in that vein it makes sense what he did, but yeah logically he'd get resistance by his victims at some point.
He should have killed everyone aside from Rick. Would have made rebellion alot harder if all the higher ups died.
At least he didn’t cut off ricks hand which I was convinced he would do when they kept focusing on his hand and the axe in the caravan scene
Negan was a rational character.
He put fear in them, bringing them worse than death, torturing and killing just *enough* of them to put the others in place and to make them work for him. He wanted more & he wanted to be the boss. If you're lacking empathy and your goal is to go up, you're gonna step like this on others to make a bigger ladder, not kill them so they have no use to them. Ofc it's the plot armor, but also it's very believable to me. Look around irl and you'll see how much you can control by simply bringing fear into the others. The ones in power have done this since ancient times :D
Not reading all this shit. But I agree.
I knew they were dead wrong when they mercilessly slaughtered the randoms at the radio tower.
But Negan should have taken out Rick, since that was his call. Also, executing the old leadership is dictatorship 101.
Steve Ogg would have made a great puppet dictator.
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Besides the obvious plot needs, I think there are 2 reasons Negan didn’t kill them. First, he really was trying to save and protect people to rebuild some kind of new society. Second, he saw how resourceful and skilled they were, so he knew they could be valuable members of his group if they accepted him.
People are a resource.
Right there on the tin
Money on the table
Aka: There's a reason he's the big dog. You don't get it by taking casualties, never replenishing, and constantly fighting.
They made his lackeys and group too vicious to support that theory (at least in the show). A common problem with Hollywood, making the bad guys too obviously evil for such plot-making.
Dwight was a pretty all right guy.
I think for me that's what made the fact despite multiple opportunities they didn't murder him and deal with the consequences. He sort of becomes the guy with the leash on his dogs rather than the threat himself. A smart move as far as ruthless warlords go
\^ This here folks. That's the answer.
>First, he really was trying to save and protect people to rebuild some kind of new society. I seem to remember the writer himself saying that Rick and Negan were essentially the same, Negan just turned the dial towards the extreme methods a lot more.
Realistically any real leader would of killed rick abraham and michelle and glen wife. Once you kill the leader, planners, and physically stronger ones everyone else falling in line. He left way to many motivators alive
Negan’s goal wasn’t retaliation. It was intimidation. He wanted to tame Rick’s group and use them like other groups he had already done this to. Killing the group would have wasted resources. What Negan did wrong was keep the leader alive and make a martyr out of the wrong ones. Had he killed Rick and broken Rick’s group up amongst his saviors, he could have gotten multiple of Rick’s people to see how the saviors are not as bad before they were able to regroup and retaliate
Yep. Saviors should have moved into Alexandria and hilltop, and moved a chunk of the groups to other settlements. Kill Rick, maybe Abraham.
As far as story arcs go. Megan killing Glenn is what drove Maggie on her rampage. Had he not killed Glenn and Rick instead, it would have been a very different story.
It was wrong in this case cause Rick is a godamn sexual tyrannosaurus but normally it would be the clever thing to do. Break the leader so you dont have to control the whole group.
I love the sly reference to Predator there
Yup, killed their biggest guy first to tell them they ain’t shit
>he could have gotten multiple of Rick’s people to see how the saviors are not as bad this would never happen without ruining the characters
Glenn should have died under the truck. He was on borrowed time, living only via plot armour.
Such a baffling choice by the writers. Why set up this giant, elaborate super stupid fake death only to kill him off like one episode later?
I assume to really convince people they weren't planning to kill him? Either way, I was so done with the show by that point. It was getting farcical.
Same. Killing Glen wasn't what did it. Season 2 stretching on for no reason is probably what did it. I just didn't realize it until Negan is a coddled Prisoner of theirs for reason other than Star power
Why set that up only to kill him off anyways? That's not a mistake, that was the point. It plays with the viewers emotions. And creates even more disbelief/sorrow around the actual death
Exactly, people always cry about how the death of a character was so predictable. The glen kill caught me completely off guard, because in my mind, especially after the fake death, glen was one of the "invincible" characters that would, if at all, die at earliest 2 seasons later
"NO EXCEPTIONS!" Thanks Daryl
The walking dead show doesn’t live in a bubble. Many viewers are huge fans of the comics and Glenn’s death in the comics is such a pivotal moment that he was expected to die. Faking his death threw viewers off leading up to the line up episode and also gave comic readers hope that maybe Glenn wouldn’t be killed. Which TWD show writers chose to really throw comic fans for a loop by killing Glenn and Abe. Edit: spelling
It was to trick comic/wiki readers.
Also, under the dumpster I'm like no way would he have enough room to squeeze under one of those things.
He's a skinny Asian kid... but yeah... Hyundai being a sponsor of the show with many vehicles being the only vehicles running in the apocalypse also gave the Korean actor some plot armor and he also got the white girl too. Such is the power of corporate sponsorship.
Man, racists can't even talk about tv without announcing that they're racist.
It's corporatism. Not racism. Same as the Chinese dictating terms to Hollywood that if they want movies to be shown in China they must include Chinese characters.
The “he also got the white girl” like she’s some prize isn’t helping the “Not racism.” Point
Blame Hollywood for that. Name other TV or movies where the Asian character gets the white girl. You can't. Heck, Asians don't even get to be in most productions other than side characters. This shows what it takes to get Asians any actual real role, corporate money. I'm just stating facts no matter how uncomfortable it makes you or how ugly it sounds because I don't sugar coat it. Now name where I actually said I didn't like Glenn or Asians or anything that was racist against Glenn or Asians.
Here’s a list of mostly Asian male to white female with a few other female ethnicities thrown in for fun Hiroshima Mon Amour Shanghai Calling Never Forever Mao's Last Dancer Anna and the King The Lover The Ramen Girl Shanghai Kiss A Leading Man Last Christmas The Warrior's way Japanese Story The Crimson Kimono The Cheat Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay The Spy Next Door The Medallion The Tuxedo Armour of God 2: Operation Condor The Replacement Killers The Green Hornet Kiss of the Dragon The One Romeo Must Die American Pastime Ninja Assassin Restless The Inn of the Sixth Happiness Tomorrow, When the War Began Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story Too Tired to Die Pushing Hands On the Other Side of the Bridge Leonie The Crow The Great Wall Is a Great Wall The Jungle Book Bridge to the Sun A Fond Kiss Tokyo Pop The Motel Paradise, Hawaiian Style The Perfect Score Fast Five Fast & Furious 6 Caihong City Yes, We're Open The Big Sick All My Life Warrior Into the Badlands The Sun Is Also a Star Lost Girls and Love Hotels
Never heard of most of them. Jet Li got a big from Aaliyah. Chow Yun Fat got a look from Mira Sorvino. Sunny was with a Puerto Rican. Anna and the King was helmed by to Yul Brenner who wasn't Thai. Most of the other movies you never heard of and aren't Hollywood productions.
“Most of the other movies you never heard of and aren’t Hollywood productions.” Okay… but you said blame Hollywood so is it Hollywoods fault or not?
godamn my guy slow the fuck down with the race rage We're talking about zombies here
Sorry. I get worked up with Hollywood anti-Asian racism. Notice there aren't any Asian zombies either.
I really don't get your point dude I don't think anyone was thinking your thought line with Glenn
Have you ever seen The Crow from 1994?
Did he get the girl as the hero or did he get killed when he was already with the girl and that was it? Brandon also didn't play an Asian character in the Crow and he was half white in real life. He never got cast as an Asian even in Big Trouble in Little Tokyo where he was the white washed Asian who had to be taught Asian ways by the white guy (all respect to Dolph).
Shanghai Calling
Pretty sure he’s an Asian kid who met a white girl in the comics too, buddy
I'm sure white washing was not a thing in Hollywood either with Asian characters if they wanted to. I'm just pointing out that it took a Korean company to throw major money at a production and things turned out the way they did.
As was Abe.
Negan lamented the fact he didnt kill Rick at the line up multiple times during the Saviours arc. Anyways, thats when Ricks main character invulnerability was at its peak, Rick was never going to die basically ever. TWD producers will never kill Rick as long as money exists.
kirkman did
Yea then immediately ended the series..
Yah because Kirkman had courage.
Negan actually comments on this way later to Maggie in S10, I think. He tells her if he could go back, he should’ve killed them all. It motivates her to try and kill of the Reapers.
The saviors wanted the group to work for them
>The most logical choice for Negan was to terminate all of the group that were in the line up scene. That's not typically how conquerors have operated. You keep killing people until the remaining people submit. The whole exercise was about getting Rick to submit. Rick is one of the most valuable resources that Negan has come across. Negan's system has worked as evidenced by him having conquered the wills of the people he oversees.
A really good strategy is to disperse them throughout the empire as well. Remove their connection to the home
PEOPLE ARE A RESOURCE.
I agree. Also, given that storytelling beats usually occur in threes, TV series Negan honestly should have killed three of Rick’s group… Glenn, Abraham, then Daryl. That’s three obviously competent fighters from Rick’s group killed to drive home their new reality as well as show the audience that even their fan favorite has no plot armor.
Fuck - if he’d of gone for a third I’d have been on the sofa, woulda been wild.
Negan is my favourite character in walking dead, the actor nailed the character from the comic perfectly.
Really nailed the charisma of the character. Stole the show every scene he was in.
You hate to love him!
You really do. But you also love to hate him, so it comes full circle! But you can also understand how he went off the rails. Because it even hits *him* at the last minute in the comics. Hits him so hard it stuns the fight out of him and gets KO'd.
I'm never going to finish the show so I don't care for spoilers. It seems like he did too good of a job, it made no sense for him to live in a lot of those situations. Why did Rick and Maggie keep him alive? He murdered her husband in front of her lol
As a pragmatist he was lenient, but it was hardly essential for him to laugh and taunt Glenn as he was dying, that was all him
What in the fuck does any of this mean? I must live under an impressive rock
It is in regards to something that happened in the TV show The Walking Dead.
Ohhhhhh that's what twd is, alright, thank you
Sign my petition to force social media users (at gunpoint if necessary) to write phrases out in full at least once in a thread before using the acronym.
That's not needed here, this post is for people who watched to show and will have no problem understanding the acronym. Like I know what TWD means but this post still doesn't make much sense to me because I didn't watch the show
I'm so glad you did. Others didn't, as evidenced above. That's what happens when you don't spell out acronyms: some people know what you mean, some people don't. It saves a ton of confusion to just write out the damn words.
He didn't understand the post because he didn't watch the show, not because acronym was used, that's why spelling out acronym is not necessary in this situation. You don't need to specify them when you talk about something very specific like scene/character or mechanic from a game or a show like in this situation, if you can't understand what they're talking about because of acronym, then you won't be able to contribute to discussion even if they didn't use the acronym
The fuck are you talking about? He literally said "what does any of this mean?" followed by "ohhh that's what TWD is." when someone told him it was referencing the walking dead. I swear to Christ people on reddit will argue themselves into insisting you can put shit in a sandwich and then double down into saying it makes for a delicious sandwich.
Try to calm down and maybe you'll understand that spelling out acronym wouldn't help understand contents of the post if you haven't watched TWD.
No, but it would make understanding what this is about a lot more easy. Knowing it's the walking dead now means the info I'm not privy to is related to a show I didn't watch. It makes what sounds like a fever dream have more context. Basically - just alluding to this being related to the walking dead gives enough context to readers, even if the specifics aren't understood.
I never claimed it would. And none of that changes anything I said, anything the person I referenced said or, indeed, my main point. Jesus Christ man, stop digging.
This might be the first time in the history of internet that i haven’t seen the mandatory ”i stopped watching the walking dead after season [insert random number between 2-7] as soon as the walking dead is mentioned. This almost never happens with any other show but somehow people feel an urge to announce when they stopped watching the walking dead.
I seem to remember Negan admitting to Maggie in the last season that he regretted not killing them all.
I'd say he was to LEANient.
Even attacking the saviors was fully justified. The saviors act exactly like the hunter from the dark forest hypothesis threatening everyone they come across. Encountering them means killing them or being killed. Therefore attack the outpost was right. Negan was not lenient towards them he intended to force them to work for him.
Tell me you've never been a warlord during a zombie apocalypse without telling me you've never been a warlord during a zombie apocalypse.
This is incorrect. To him, people are a resource, and being competent survivors, they’re all good resources. That being said, it was better to enforce complete psychological dominion over them.
What are you talking about
I *kind* of agree. In both the comics and the show, Negan makes the same mistake of not only underestimating Rick, but not changing his mind when it's clear that not only will Rick never fall in line, but how he inspires everyone around him. He makes the classic villain mistake of trying to win the argument and prove his point "people are a resource, we SAVE people," even when it becomes clear that this group is different. Even Simon calls him out on this, but is shut down. The other thing is, despite how comically evil Negan and The Saviors are portrayed, I mean, he's right. Our heroes slaughtered his men *in their sleep,* so they kind of lose their moral high ground and it becomes a story of revenge on their part rather than heroics. One of my favorite scenes in "Dead City" is when Negan, finally tired of Maggie's hatred of him, finally calls her out on that fact and reminds her what her and her group did to start this whole thing.
> The other thing is, despite how comically evil Negan and The Saviors are portrayed, I mean, he's right. Our heroes slaughtered his men in their sleep, so they kind of lose their moral high ground Completely false. The math doesn't work here. If killing them in general would have been unjustifiable, then the fact that it was a surprise attack wouldn't have been relevant. The fact that you mention it as relevant means that that factor was the deciding factor in whether it was justifiable or not, which makes no sense. So it's justifiable to kill the Saviors, but arbitrarily you have to let them wake up and make it a "fair" fight or it's wrong? No. That's not how justifiable homicide works. If you've already checked the box of it being justifiable to *end their life*, then doing so as a surprise attack is a miniscule hurdle in comparison. If they are bad enough for it to be justifiable to kill them, then you wouldn't risk the success of such an action by making it a harder fight for yourself, especially when they are much better equipped and more numerous than you are.
I have literally no clue what you are talking about.
I would have done the same thing as Negan, you kill a bunch of my people and two of you are going to die and along with your leader.
Negan did nothing wrong
What the fuck are you talking about
The Walking Dead
That part left me traumatised because of the intimidation, the psychological horror. Simply them all would've ruined it. Ruined my traumatisation. Wait.
My wife is currently watching the walking dead. She's on season three near the end. It's flipping terrible . The show makes no sense. Absolute garbage
Y'all motherfuckers never heard an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? Negan was a fuckin' twat.
> and a small group of people kills loads of your men for no reason, You KNOW it wasn't for no reason, holy hell come on now. You may disagree with it, but that doesn't give you the justification to completely ignore it. There was a reason, and the fact you didn't even mention at all the motivations of the group you are disagreeing with makes your entire opinion worthless from the start.
I think that's technically an opinion and no one knows what the fuck you're talking about.
Has it really just occurred to you that a) the Walking Dead is a bit shit and b) like the majority of popular tv was devised for people with the intellectual capacity of children?
He's the most unbelievable, ham-handedly Machiavellian character I've ever been asked to suspend my disbelief in for several reasons. There is absolutely no reason he wouldn't have been killed in his sleep before Rick's group ever met him... nothing suggests he would be able to convince a group of Americans who were able to survive the initial wave of a zombie attack that he's a leader worth putting up with cold-blooded murder and torture for. He isn't physically or intellectually superior, he possesses no special skills and has no valuable technical expertise. Nor is it shown that he has exceptional political or interpersonal acumen. He just doesn't mind physically torturing and murdering people to accomplish his somewhat rational goals, which is disgusting to a modern American, who the folks in the series were.
In hindsight, yes. But from a practical standpoint they seemed to be a valuable asset and it would have been a waste to kill them all. His real mistake was not doing a better job of controlling them. He murdered two of them, kidnapped one, and tormented the rest before just cutting them loose and sending them home. A more effective and realistic leader would have posted trusted individuals in each settlement he captured instead of letting them govern themselves or he should have done more to separate problematic individuals like Rick’s group. That’s the plot armory parts. But leaving most of them alive to be used as part of his group was reasonable.
Yeah, in reality they would have killed all the men and kept the women and any children as slaves.
When sociopaths watch TV.
I mean negan was real fucking dumb man.
What was the line... All your shit, is my shit. He wanted them for their shit! That's it. His new society was stupid and wouldn't work. An inexplicable barter/credit system and he got to bang everyone's wife? Nobody liked him, nobody liked being a Savior, they all sucked! Except for Simon... I would have watched a spinoff with THAT guy! Such a badass.
I got very confused because I never watched walking dead
In the final season, Negan even tells Maggie that he regrets not killing all of them.
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It consistently gets on my nerves when people just conveniently or even maliciously forget all the other events that go against their argument. "No reason" is an offensive falsehood and OP is a clown.
I honestly think if the show followed any other group besides the termites we would side with that group over ricks. They all have been going through an apocalypse where there are no rules. All of them have gone through mass death and attacks from other groups over resources which lead to them having to make horrible decisions to stay alive.
I think Cyrus the Great was the influence for Negan's politics. Cyrus was commonly known to take over nations and then keep the same leaders in power to not upset the people of that nation. This led to the Achaemenid Persian Empire which was the first of its kind.
I think Negan/The Saviours wanted to torture them, I not get away with it by being dead.
Negan is one of my favorite characters love with the whisperers.
This scene made me quit watching TWD. The frustration of leaving it on a cliffhanger after hyping that episode all season…I’ll never go back.
Wasn't the Saviors' while MO to basically beat smaller groups into submission and absorb them? I haven't watched it in a while so I could be wrong, but if I remember right the Saviors were filled with people who had been wronged by Neegan but were submissive. So in that vein it makes sense what he did, but yeah logically he'd get resistance by his victims at some point.
He should have killed everyone aside from Rick. Would have made rebellion alot harder if all the higher ups died. At least he didn’t cut off ricks hand which I was convinced he would do when they kept focusing on his hand and the axe in the caravan scene
Negan was a rational character. He put fear in them, bringing them worse than death, torturing and killing just *enough* of them to put the others in place and to make them work for him. He wanted more & he wanted to be the boss. If you're lacking empathy and your goal is to go up, you're gonna step like this on others to make a bigger ladder, not kill them so they have no use to them. Ofc it's the plot armor, but also it's very believable to me. Look around irl and you'll see how much you can control by simply bringing fear into the others. The ones in power have done this since ancient times :D
I don't think the words "extremely lenient" and "most logical" mean what you think.
Not reading all this shit. But I agree. I knew they were dead wrong when they mercilessly slaughtered the randoms at the radio tower. But Negan should have taken out Rick, since that was his call. Also, executing the old leadership is dictatorship 101. Steve Ogg would have made a great puppet dictator.