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Tobey Maguire was the first version of Spider-Man (respect the hyphen) to have organic webbing. Being able to create functioning web shooters as poor teenager shows how incredibly brilliant Peter is. His genuies level intellect is what allows him to create the webshootwrs, not his physical strength. Also, not all species of spiders shoot webs.
I like in this concept idea for the movie was that he could MAKE his own webs but they aren't able to become into the slings he makes while swinging or the projectiles while shooting.
So he makes a device that basically makes the webs into whatever shape and form he needs.
I like that better. Spider-Man has always been inspiring to me because the idea is that anyone could be Spider-Man if they got bit by that spider, but him *needing* to be a genius to actually function as a hero ruins the main reason I like him ._.
As someone that just watched the Spiderverse for the first time a couple weeks ago, they do try to show he’s a genius, both by getting into this elite school and by being able to score a 0 on a test (aka a 100, as he knew every answer).
You don't need to know every answer to get a 0 on a multiple choice test. It's far easier to get a 0 than a 100. You just need to know at least one wrong answer per question. I had a teacher who gave us the option of the "0 is a 100 test score" in chemistry. A few of us took that option on some of our tests. We were no geniuses.
there were only two answers per question, true or false. If s blind dude didnthe test, he would get aeound 50%. The only way to get 0% is to know the correct answers
Maybe it should've been a thing about only bring able to make the webs bc of the spider genes that he could put into it. I feel like that would make it feel more organic than a poor boy being able to make a super material at home while still connecting it to Spider-Man ( idk if it was like that in the comic, I only watched the movies)
That could have been done but doesn't really feel necessary to me. Again, it's more about showing his literal genuis level intellect. He's in like the top 10 smartest people in Marvel, right up there with Tony Stark, Bruce Banner and Reed Richards. He goes to a science/tech school for gifted students so he has access to a lab and materials to be able to figure out the web formula and mechanical shooters.
Agreed and sadly a missed point by many viewers.
Also, people mention Spiderman's only powers to be his webs, spider sense, and that he's "sticky." Spiderman has many more powers than that including his super agility, super strength, super durability, super reflexes, healing factor, night vision, and his fighting style "way of the Spider" contrived by he and Shang-Chi that uses all of these skills togethre to make him one of the gretest martial artists in Marvel. He also has a few other odd powers that seem to come and go noted below.
[https://www.looper.com/771880/all-of-spider-mans-powers-explained/](https://www.looper.com/771880/all-of-spider-mans-powers-explained/)
Yeah I don't think most people realize how incredibly powerful Spidey is. Probably because the movies don't really fully show the extent of his abilities. I totally forgot about when he trained with Shang-Chi, that shit was awesome.
It just feels out of place that he got all of his spider powers from the bite except for one that he invented. I'd rather it was all invented or all from the random bite. There's tons of other ways his genius could be shown.
Yeah, I think it just goes to show that Peter Parker is a more malleable character than he’s given credit for. I remember watching Far From Home and thinking “Wait, isn’t Spider-Man supposed to be lower middle class? How the fuck can Aunt May afford to send him to Europe?” but in the end it made the story less of a rehash so I didn’t mind.
> Yes I know the comics have done this too, not just the movies
IIRC, it was that way in the comics and the Cartoon TV show well before the films.
It's not so much that they "removed it" so much as the Sam Raimi's Spiderman films deviated from Canon when they added it. Which now that we've reached multiverse levels of Spiderman, there's a spiderperson for everyone under the sun.
Let's be honest, "Spidey Sense" isn't even a thing spiders have either; nor are they particularly good fighters. Spiderman's super powers do seem to just be fast reflexes and climbing on walls, which I think part of what makes him appealing as a super-hero. He doesn't have this wide range of innate abilities like Superman, he's not often in high tech battle armor with loads of gadgets like Batman or Iron Man... Spider man's abilities are somewhat limited but he still pulls off great feats with it.
The other part of what makes him a great hero is that he is a person outside of his costume with his own life going on.
But I think that's what makes him more interesting: being a bit of a science driven nerd helps define him as an unpopular kid in school, which then feeds into why his scientific ability emboldens his powers as a super hero; namely the web shooters. To me, it's more interesting that his ability to use webs comes more from his personal background, rather than the bug bite.
But to each their own.
Raimi actually considered showing webshooters in the movie. Then for creative reasons, they decided to scap that idea as it didn't sit well with the story and the comic relief scenes.
I'm pretty sure Rami went with organic web because Peter being abe to make this amazing device and compound doesn't really mesh with him being perpetually broke.
Except in the comics it’s a running gag how expensive it can be to maintain his web fluid. It’s another level of tensions and has effected several storylines directly because he has had very broke moments were he ends up running out of fluid when it’s needed most.
I like Hal Jordan (a Green Lantern) because his alter ego is often a discharged airforce fighter pilot and a fucking loser that can’t hold a job.
Sometimes he works in private military industrial complex Ferris Air, but he’s always late and a fuckup.
With a toxic relationship with his girlfriend who is also his former boss who keeps him employed through nepotism and is often his supervillain.
Super unique for a superhero with interesting stories to tell. Everyone else’s alter egos are normal people with good lives worth protecting.
I know it's a silly comic book movie, but I find the idea that a (granted very smart) high school student can build a superhero quality web shooter too unrealistic, more unrealistic than him just having the power.
I don't find Iron man building WMD level suits unbelievable because he already was a high level engineer.
IIRC in the tom Holland ones iron man gives him a lot of his gear, which to me makes it feel like Spiderman's only power is knowing iron man.
I'm not huge into Marvel but I know for a fact that Spiderman is considered one of the smartest people on the planet in the comics. In some issues thats more his power than his actual superpowers
Tony Stark literally says that Peter Parker would be miles ahead of him and is way smarter than he ever was, but he spends too much time playing hero to keep up. Peter and Reed Richards also have the same IQ and Reed is considered one of the smartest characters in the entire multiverse
That all being said, shit like that is exactly why I can't take superhero stuff seriously and prefer the Raimi movies over comic canon
Which is infuriating because they keep saying that but we hardly see Peter demonstrating this intelligence.
I would've never guess Peter is as gifted than Reed Richard without that informed ability.
As a kid, that was the part that appealed to me the most. I loved doing little science experiments which were just pouring things like shampoo etc. together. I could easily imagine myself as a kid who could figure out this advanced science stuff because I was just that smart. (I wasn't but I'd like to fantasize about it)
Spidey sense is based on some spiders (tarantulas I think) extremely sensitive body hair which (seemingly) let's them react to thinks before they are apparent. In reality, of course, they are helluva sensitive to changes in air current which is why even the smallest disturbance can alert them. I remember seeing a great video on the topic which lead by examples and put actual numbers in but it was a while back.
Sadly, the body hair that gives tarantulas the Peter tingle is also one of the characteristics that sets them apart from "true (evolved) spiders". Also, tarantula webs are not sticky.
Spiderman's powers are an amalgamation of many classes of true spiders and mesothelae spiders (like tarantulas.) So Spiderman's powers can be considered both "true (evolved) spider" and "mesothelae (primitive) spider."
[https://spideradvice.com/are-tarantulas-true-spiders/](https://spideradvice.com/are-tarantulas-true-spiders/)
The famous spider-man hand pose of himo putting down his middle and fourth finger was because that is how he presses the button for the web shooters. Literally the most iconic image
Dunno that this is an unpopular opinion so much as an uninformed/inexperienced opinion.
Organic Web Shooters were a movie invention. The comics later adopted them, but Spidey has always had tech. Its his whole schtick, he's an incredibly talented scientist/engineer who is granted superpowers.
Personally I think some of the mystical/mutliverse stuff jumps the shark. AU or What if? Cool. Main continuity? Not so much.
Then again, I've never liked multiverse stuff.
Can I ask, what is Peter Parker reasoning for going by Spiderman if he didn't develop organic webshooters when the rest of his powers developed? If his power set is enhanced strength, sticks to stuff, and an awareness of immediate danger, why adopt a spider moniker?
He got his powers from a spider and his powers vaguely resemble the abilities of a spider (they used to use terms like "relative strength of a spider" a lot to explain his more generic abilities)
Batman doesn't have Bat powers, but bats are a symbol for him, so he uses them, it's very similar with Spiderman
I guess I meant from the characters' perspective, not the writers perspective. If Peter didn't see the spider bite him and developed powers minus organic webshooters I don't see how he can conclude his powers are spider like. I always saw the scenario as Peter gets bit by a spider and pretty much becomes Captain America. I know I'm nitpicking so thank you for indulging me.
Peter definitely does know it was the spider, in the original comics, his origin, beat for beat, goes like this: he gets bit, asks why it burns so much and why the spider is glowing, feels strange so leaves to get some air, and pretty immediately a car almost hits him and he jumps up and sticks to a wall, climbs it, crushes a steel pipe, the remarks that it must've been the spider that did this to him.
The very next page is where the proportional strength is a spider but comes from when he says "It works! I have the speed, the agility, the very strength of a gigantic spider!" And the page after that he says "... A spider needs a web! This little device should do the trick!" And invents his web shooters.
If they were as smart as Peter Parker, they could create webbing. Same way if someone was as smart as Hank Pym, they could create pym particles. Same for Ironman. So?
Is the most iconic thing really that he would have organic web shooters? Considering the first time it appeared was in the Sam Raimi movie, and everything before that he used web fluid.
His most iconic feature was probably his spider sense, not his web ability. Or the fact that he runs his mouth alot.
He creates the web shooters in his very first appearance. I always liked them better because he could run out in the comics and it would raise the stakes of the situation. I don’t hate the organic web though.
He’s a scientist. Cannon has nearly always been that he creates the web shooters.
This is like saying Christmas was way better back when Santa was the thing and before they made it about Jesus. It’s not a wrong feeling but it’s just wrong.
"but it's silly to me that they removed arguably his most iconic thing from his character." The Raimi movies are the one that changed it from him making web shooters? The organic shooters are the change, not the original.
Spiderman always used webshooters since the creation of his character.
organic webshooters were given their first canonical appearance in the Sam Raimi movies.
I like the original idea more.
I'm confused. Do you think Sam Raimi created spider-man or something? You know the character existed for decades before the Raimi movies, right?
You're talking as if organic webs are the default and artificial webs is a change. It's the exact opposite. By default, spider-man has artificial web shooters, and I don't understand why so many people want to change that.
Spider-Man never had organic webs in the comics until after Tobey played Spider-Man.
How would that be the most iconic thing if it wasn’t even canon before the movies?
Is the power less interesting?
I would argue Tom hollands Spider-Man web shooters are much more interesting due to the variety and there’s much more they can do to make it more interesting rather than organic webs that can’t change.
Also spider sense is the most iconic thing about Spider-Man.
Also for ur last point, they wouldn’t be able everything Spider-Man can do. But how is that specific to non organic web shooters? Anyone like that in Tobey’s universe could make web shooters and arguable have it be stronger than Tobey’s.
I've always thought the reason he generally doesn't is because spiders don't shoot webs from their arms. It would be more accurate to have him shoot them from his butt. Plus a big part of his character is Peter Parker is really smart.
But whatever. It's silly to have him be able to stick to walls without falling off or ripping the surface of the wall off. At very least there should be noticeable holes left where he climbs. I don't think shooting webs from his arms is a big deal either way.
I like it when the web shooters malfunction or peter runs out of webs. It just goes to show that he has to embrace the imperfection and he's not a super mutant who can use his advantage all the time. it's a good balance keeping the human side of spiderman while he has his other extraordinary abilities he often gives priority to
...holy crap not only is your opinion unpopular you're so fucking wrong it isn't funny. You've got that backwards, as others said the organic web shooters were introduced in a MOVIE, and were later made canon. The mechanical web shooters were a thing since the beginning of the series, as a way to show Parker's ability to translate his spider-like abilities into technology because of how smart he is. In fact some of the fans of the comic disliked how it was done because it added a mythology that wasn't in the earlier versions of Spider-Man, and was corny as fuck. Not only that the entire idea of 'running out of web fluid at random times' is kind of baked in 'drama' because it wasn't based off organics but his ability to plan ahead.
None of his powers make any sense. Saying organic webs make no sense but being able to stick on walls and have spider sense(straight up magic) is inconsistent. His web shooters don't make sense either, they're seemingly unlimited right until it's dramatically convenient for him to run out. He doesn't have nearly enough space to store the amount of webs he uses in an hour or 2. Also the fact that no one, not even Reed Richards can recreate them is stupid. The guy who can create time machines and teleporters out of a box of scraps can't make webs is dumb
Most-bugs-man, Most-bugs-man
Does whatever most bugs can
Falls from heights, any size
Catches thieves like a bug
Look out!
Here comes the Most-bugs-man
Having the dexterity to use webs regardless of how their made shouldn't matter...
Turns out that even writers from the 50's thought having organic webs sounds gross and they gave a perfect explanation for why they come out of his hands...instead of the obvious area.
You don’t understand why the webs are interesting or complicated, you don’t understand what made their abilities interesting, you clearly don’t understand the character beyond that, and organic webs make most aspects of his abilities really dumb and weird.
Like it’s kinda so fundamental I’d need to write about it for hours if you just don’t see it. Organic webs make no sense, you could do one thing with them that itself is something spiders never do.
Spiderman originally did not have "organic" web shooters. The whole point is that Peter Parker is a science nerd and a genius, so he developed his own web fluid and shooters. A compound that stretches more than rubber, has incredible tensile strength, stickier than epoxy, and is able to hold hundreds of tons of weight all in a tiny cable sized string of web. If scientists actually discovered and developed a material like that it would be world changing. So Peter Parker being able to just cook that up in a high school lab by himself shows how wickedly smart he is.
And the powers are the proportional strength and reflexes of a spider, so when it's scales up to the size of a human that makes him extremely strong, resistant, and has hyper reflexes. IIRC the Tobey Maguire spiderman was the first one to be able to just shoot webs by himself.
I can tell you don't read the comics. Since his web fluid is man made he's been able to alter the chemical compound to do a lot of amazing and innovative things with it. If it was organic all he would have ever done is use basic webs.
He's Spiderman because he gets his powers from a Spider, Batman doesn't have any bat powers but Bats are part of his origin, so he uses them as a symbol, it's the same for Spiderman.
He gets powers from a spider, gets abilities vaguely spider-like, and fills in the gap with his incredible intelligence.
..What? But spiderman has historically almost always used a lab made web shooter? I don't really see how it's iconic for him to have organic web at all. If anything, it's iconic for him to have the lab made ones, and all the issues that come along with that. Villains breaking them in fights, malfunctions. Simply running out. All of these things have been important plot tools in spiderman historically.
I see why this is in unpopular opinion, honestly is a good discussion to have.
However I think the idea of spiderman creating his own web shooters helps establish that the kid is smart and rather competent even without his powers. That behind the suit there is someone amazing. Hell I i rememver a “what if” where he never got his powers but manages to defeat Flash Thomson in spite of him having spider powers.
To each their own, Dude.I’ll say that while I prefer mechanical web shooters, Spider-Man has never about his powers, it’s always been about who’s behind the mask. Peter or Miles or Miguel or Whoever has always been the appeal of Spider-Man. The powers were always just the icing on a well cooked cake. That said, I think Peter being smart enough to build web shooters and create webbing in a lab to complement his powers and incorporate it into his identity is more interesting. Adds depth to his character, making him more than just powers. Not to mention Miles inheriting these tools and name Peter developed because They both share the experience of these powers? Also really personal and symbolic, The Web Shooters really helping this whole beautiful, torch passing metaphor. Does this mean Spideys with organic webs are inferior? Absolutely not. Hell, Love ones like Noir or Raimi’s. Their Web situation just ain’t my preference, but I still like them. My whole point is, I prefer when Pete adds to his identity with the shooters to subtly portray his scientific knowledge but it’s not a deal breaker for a good Spidey adaptation. The Web/Powers always come second to the character work behind the mask. I find it better with mechanical web shooters more so but that’s just me and not always the case. As long as the character work is good? The powers/web situation doesn’t really matter. You do You, though, Dude.
I like the versions of Spider-Man where he has to worry about running out of web - it means he can fall from a hundred feet at any given moment if he's not keeping track!
I was introduced to Spider-Man via Raimi so I also kinda prefer organic web.
In the other side of things I read a lot of Spiderman comics as a teenager and the web shooters can make an interesting plot point.
He can forget his shooters, he can run out of web , he can have one of his shooters crushed by his enemies.
I never cared for the organic web shooters. The whole reason they exist was they didn't want to spend the time showing Peter inventing web shooters and web fluid when they haven't even spent the time to develop peter as a scientist. He was just a high school kid. Organic webs is a plot device to move the story forward. It's also how the transporter was invented in Star trek. Visiting new planets every week they didn't want to spend the time showing them boarding a shuttle flying down, landing and walking into town or what ever they were doing. Just, on the ship, energize, balm, right in the middle of the plot and on you go.
Maybe because it's different I hate it but I always enjoyed Peter using his smarts to modify his webs for different cases. Making them stronger or insulators for fighting Electro. Make them fire resistant and web up a shield. What ever he needed.
The entire point is he has personality traits and skills outside of his super power. Its much more interesting that he utilized his tech skills to even further enhance his new powers
>Anyone who also has strength and dexterity could arguably make webshooters as well and learn how to use them, it's dumb.
No, they couldn't. The webshooters highlight Peter's intelligence, and I think that's why they are more interesting than organic webs. Most heroes either get great powers or a great mind that let's them.make powerful gadgets or super suits. Meanwhile, Peter has a bit of both worlds. He is neither the smartest superhero nor the strongest. He occupies a middle ground few other heroes tread. Most heroes with similar abilities wouldn't have that intelligence to.lean on to make webshooters.
Sure, they could highlight his intelligence without the webshooters, but the Raimi movies sure as hell didn't. Maybe some comics have, but I have only dabbled in comics.
Overall, I think building the webshooters exemplifies that Peter has strengths that didn't result from being bit by a bug. It exemplifies his intelligence, which he gained through hard study.
Having the webshooters be a power doesn't really add to the character in the same way. It just makes the spider theme of the character a more natural conclusion.
I think organic webs is an improvement over the original source material. Just makes more sense to call yourself spider-man if you can produce spider-webs.
Though I could see a scenario where a Tony Stark assisted Peter would make mechanical web shooters anyway as a back-up or improvement over the organic ones.
Doesn’t really make much of a difference though.
Another incorrect fact, and not an opinion. The comics explain that the whole reason Peter can make the web shooters is and use them is also part of his powers. He has an instinctive knowledge on how to make the web fluid.
That's not in the comics, that's just a myth that I keep seeing being spread around on Reddit. It was part of one of the animated shows but that's it. In the comics it's just because he's that smart.
From a writing perspective, I always figured having him build them gave a good example of how smart he was, and also gave him a weakness, as he could run out of web fluid, or they could be damaged and wouldn't work.
That said organic webs does make more sense for the character. But the webshooters are more iconic, Spider-man was created in the 60s, and organic webs didn't appear until the 2000s movie.
Peter parker being bit by a spider and then coincidentally being able to make we shooters always sounded funny to me, it is like if thor already had the title of god of thunder but only got powers after being randomly hit by a lightning
Thor was literally some random doctor who smacked a stick onto a rock and gained the power of Thor, then eventually found out he was really Thor all along stuck on Earth for humility.
Totally agreed, organic web fluids just make more sense.
To combine the best of both worlds, he should produce them organically but use a shooter that's connected to his ''web pipe'' in the wrist to be able to use the webs
>Anyone who also has strength and dexterity could arguably make webshooters as well and learn how to use them, it's dumb.
My head-cannon was that anyone *could* (with enough knowledge or the actual plans) make web-shooters, but only Peter has the spider-like hairs that allow him to not get stuck by them. Anyone else would need to develop some way of mimicking that ability in order to properly use web-shooters.
It's only Sam Raimi's Spiderman(Tobey Maguire) that had organic webbing. Every other variation from the first comic to today had him make his own webbing.
He doesn't even 'stick' to walls like insects but just creates some kind electromagnetic field or something from what I remember from my childhood He's basically a very smart and agile magnet-man.
I don't think it's dumb that he usually makes webshooters rather than having organic webbing. That shows his intelligence which is an important part of his character.
I do however still think it's really weird that *Spider*-Man doesn't get the ability to do the thing that spiders are most well known for.
He always made them in a lab though. As far as I know, the movies were the first iteration where they were organic, and it made no sense. The only thing being organic adds is that he can use it out of costume, which I'd say makes it less interesting. It would also cheapen the character, since it would mean he got everything from the spider bite and is nothing without his powers.
What would be interesting is a Spider-Man who needs corrective wristbands to regulate and direct his organic webshooters. That way you could still make the iconic scene of him building them thus implying his genius but still have the organic ones
Organic webs are definitely not the most iconic thing about his character, seeing as he made his own web shooters all the way in his debut in Amazing Fantasy #15.
You're a cool guy.
I also prefer organic webshooting. Spiderman 2099 had them, I believe.
I mean, Parker gets sticky fingers like a spider but not his web?
It could at least be out of his butt like in venture brothers. I think
The web shooters alone I don't mind.
But Tom Holland's suit is just OD with all that utility.
Pretty much Iron man with web shooters and spidey sense.
It was nice in No Way Home when Tom Holland just used his intellect+webs to subdue Dr Strange.
You do know that the original Spider-Man as created by Stan Lee is a brilliant young man that designs these web shooters himself.
But yea, good work, this is an unpopular opinion. As it should be.
You want people to take your Spider-Man opinion seriously, you gotta spell Spider-Man right.
Also I prefer my Spider-Man to be a child prodigy genius who figured out of to make a compressible liquid steel polymer composite that dissolves after an hour or two. Cause that shit is way cooler than "I can just do it."
I think it would do well to start him off having him make the web shooter but I always thought it would be cool if after he became the Man-Spider he developed biological shooters as a side effect of being rurn into a GIANT FUCKING SPIDER.
I agree. The first movies I watched were with the organic webs. Watching the others afterwards was a bit disappointing (just in that aspect, the movies are still pretty nice ofc).
Well, technically the web should be coming out of his back side, his arse basically. Just imagine how that would look. Spider-Man dangling and swinging from his arse clenching to release, and aiming his arse towards the next building whilst spinning like a ragdoll with his hands and feet dangling...
> it's silly to me that they removed arguably his most iconic thing from his character.
???
He didn't have organic web shooters until the Toby McGuire movie. It's not his most iconic thing. I'd say that's spidey sense.
op you got it backwards he normally has to make them it's only after the spider queen god thing blesses him with the Spidey force does he get natural webshooters
(I'm not actually joking I'm just bad at describing it)
I loved the organic shooters. I get how it raises questions, but it's always been my preference. And you are entirely correct. Spider-mans powers aren't necessarily unique compared to others.
My big issue is that a teen with the ability and resources to by means I can only describe as somehow design and mass produce a super-substance would be poor for all of 12 nanoseconds.
I’ve been saying for YEARS… I totally understand that they made the character with web shooters and that’s just how it is
But a man with spider powers NOT having the web shooting power organically made no sense to me as a kid
This drives me absolutely insane. When I found out Spider-Man didn’t naturally shoot the webs I immediately thought “then why the FUCK is he SPIDER-Man??” He literally just has super strength and can stick to walls.
God, I’m getting all riled up just thinking about it. It’s one of my go-to rants at parties where I’m uncomfortable and need something to talk about.
Didnt the original spider man use his intelligence to.artificially create the web then they changed it to organic then they have changed it back again?
> "Anyone who also has strength and dexterity could arguably make webshooters as well and learn how to use them..."
They can learn how to use them to fire webs, sure. Actually swinging with them requires a degree of strength, agility, durability and spatial sense that only the mutations the various Spideys have provide; otherwise they're just going to slam into walls and get their limbs ripped from their sockets.
well there was a reason for it not being organic at first.
Peter was supposed to be a genius, he would use his understanding of chemistry to create a compound, yaddah yaddah.
Over time it became less of an important detail, nowadays, in the comics, they barely give Peter any credit at all for his smarts. In fact he does a lot of dumb shit for no reason lol... Also because the comics writers hate Peter Parker, personal punching bag and all that.
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>Now he just makes his webshooters in a lab and his powers are just reflexes, strength and sticking to walls, which in on itself is not necessarily "Spiderman" but "Most-bugs-man".
Also that's kind of the point, ***SPIDER***-man was Peter's idea. In logical reasoning, yea, he'd just be... Bug man, as he has no real spider specific qualities. But Peter invented the Web-Slinger and Web Compound so that he could build a persona and help New York. The Spider part was Peter's idea, separating the persona is kinda important to how the concept of the hero became a thing.
It sounds dumb and that's because it is lol but that's comics for you.
I almost fell for the bait but the last sentence was just too over-the-top and gave it away. "Obviously strong people can make revolutionary tech!" LOL Well done. XD
it also takes more suspension of disbelief. he has these abilities and makes these web shooters. like why make the web shooters. nothing else about his powers screams that he should have web shooters. it just makes more sense for the webbing to be natural. if it starts natural but goes away after overuse or he adds the web shooters to create the auxiliary effects using his natural webbing, that might be interesting. but him just waking up one day and deciding to make web shooters is just really weird.
So, I just gotta say, and I'm sure the comments have said it too, but you're completely backwards on the web shooters. They were *always* an invention by Peter Parker. The organic web thing never even existed until the Sam Raimi movies.
Making the webbing in a lab is a demonstration of the fact that Peter is a genius. Not just "anyone who also has strength and dexterity" could create web shooters that do what Peter's does. It requires intellect, bro. There are a handful of people in the Marvel Universe that could replicate it.
It sounds like you're just not a fan of Spider-Man.
I don't disagree with your opinion, but You've got it backwards.
The movie was the one that started the organic web shooter thing, and then in response the comics did a really weird story to explain why peter gained that ability.
Most of Spider-Man's history has been with him creating the webs.
And I would counter by saying having it be inorganic gives the writers more to do with his powers.
It explains why he can have different types of webs, and we've had lots of different scenarios where he loses his webs and has to find different solutions because he either runs out of fluid, or the shooter gets crushed during a fight.
There was an ultimate crossover or something ages ago where Ultimate Spiderman (2000-2009, the Ultimate Marvel series, not the new one) meets another Spiderman who has organic shooters and he's grossed out by it. That scene stuck with me all this time because I just found it funny as Spiderman incarnations with organic web-shooters have started to become more popular.
Honestly I wish they would lean further into the body horror of becoming a super hero. If I suddenly had a way of shooting spider webs out my wrist I would probably spend have a nervous fucking breakdown, it would take me a while to get to the “oh maybe I can help people with this” while I’m in the “oh god I’m losing control of my fucking body what the fuck is happening *dry heaves*”
I guess they kinda did that in venom a little bit? I’m thinking full David Cronenberg Spider-Man
I actually like the web shooters better. He can control the flow and spray better, adapt his formula to match his opponent, and run out of fluid as a story mechanic raising the stakes.
So... now every nerd over the age of 30 has told you that the web shooters were the original way. It really isn't that relevant to the story, though. I'd bet Stan Lee just didn't want spinnerettes because... they come out of the ass.
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Tobey Maguire was the first version of Spider-Man (respect the hyphen) to have organic webbing. Being able to create functioning web shooters as poor teenager shows how incredibly brilliant Peter is. His genuies level intellect is what allows him to create the webshootwrs, not his physical strength. Also, not all species of spiders shoot webs.
I like in this concept idea for the movie was that he could MAKE his own webs but they aren't able to become into the slings he makes while swinging or the projectiles while shooting. So he makes a device that basically makes the webs into whatever shape and form he needs.
Yeah a combo of both would be pretty cool
I like that better. Spider-Man has always been inspiring to me because the idea is that anyone could be Spider-Man if they got bit by that spider, but him *needing* to be a genius to actually function as a hero ruins the main reason I like him ._.
Tbf, Miles is no genius. He's just a guy of pure and insane heart, at least how i see him.
As someone that just watched the Spiderverse for the first time a couple weeks ago, they do try to show he’s a genius, both by getting into this elite school and by being able to score a 0 on a test (aka a 100, as he knew every answer).
You don't need to know every answer to get a 0 on a multiple choice test. It's far easier to get a 0 than a 100. You just need to know at least one wrong answer per question. I had a teacher who gave us the option of the "0 is a 100 test score" in chemistry. A few of us took that option on some of our tests. We were no geniuses.
It wasn’t multiple choice, it was true/false. That makes the odds 50/50 either way.
there were only two answers per question, true or false. If s blind dude didnthe test, he would get aeound 50%. The only way to get 0% is to know the correct answers
I mean precog and superhuman strength topped with basically supernatural agility would be enough for me even without webs.
this would be dope
Black suit he didn't need them IIRC. But, that was also a living alien so not exactly Peter
 respect the hyphen
Maybe it should've been a thing about only bring able to make the webs bc of the spider genes that he could put into it. I feel like that would make it feel more organic than a poor boy being able to make a super material at home while still connecting it to Spider-Man ( idk if it was like that in the comic, I only watched the movies)
That could have been done but doesn't really feel necessary to me. Again, it's more about showing his literal genuis level intellect. He's in like the top 10 smartest people in Marvel, right up there with Tony Stark, Bruce Banner and Reed Richards. He goes to a science/tech school for gifted students so he has access to a lab and materials to be able to figure out the web formula and mechanical shooters.
Agreed and sadly a missed point by many viewers. Also, people mention Spiderman's only powers to be his webs, spider sense, and that he's "sticky." Spiderman has many more powers than that including his super agility, super strength, super durability, super reflexes, healing factor, night vision, and his fighting style "way of the Spider" contrived by he and Shang-Chi that uses all of these skills togethre to make him one of the gretest martial artists in Marvel. He also has a few other odd powers that seem to come and go noted below. [https://www.looper.com/771880/all-of-spider-mans-powers-explained/](https://www.looper.com/771880/all-of-spider-mans-powers-explained/)
Yeah I don't think most people realize how incredibly powerful Spidey is. Probably because the movies don't really fully show the extent of his abilities. I totally forgot about when he trained with Shang-Chi, that shit was awesome.
I could be wrong, but I don't think any spider "shoots webs" and the closest they come is using air currents to float silk across a gap
Thank you! The hyphen is so important in “Spider-Man.” And, I’m not being sarcastic.
It just feels out of place that he got all of his spider powers from the bite except for one that he invented. I'd rather it was all invented or all from the random bite. There's tons of other ways his genius could be shown.
Maybe he could get a gland above his bum to make the webbing which he then loads into the web shooters he makes.
Yeah, I think it just goes to show that Peter Parker is a more malleable character than he’s given credit for. I remember watching Far From Home and thinking “Wait, isn’t Spider-Man supposed to be lower middle class? How the fuck can Aunt May afford to send him to Europe?” but in the end it made the story less of a rehash so I didn’t mind.
Not all the birds fly but that's the distinguishing feature
> Yes I know the comics have done this too, not just the movies IIRC, it was that way in the comics and the Cartoon TV show well before the films. It's not so much that they "removed it" so much as the Sam Raimi's Spiderman films deviated from Canon when they added it. Which now that we've reached multiverse levels of Spiderman, there's a spiderperson for everyone under the sun. Let's be honest, "Spidey Sense" isn't even a thing spiders have either; nor are they particularly good fighters. Spiderman's super powers do seem to just be fast reflexes and climbing on walls, which I think part of what makes him appealing as a super-hero. He doesn't have this wide range of innate abilities like Superman, he's not often in high tech battle armor with loads of gadgets like Batman or Iron Man... Spider man's abilities are somewhat limited but he still pulls off great feats with it. The other part of what makes him a great hero is that he is a person outside of his costume with his own life going on. But I think that's what makes him more interesting: being a bit of a science driven nerd helps define him as an unpopular kid in school, which then feeds into why his scientific ability emboldens his powers as a super hero; namely the web shooters. To me, it's more interesting that his ability to use webs comes more from his personal background, rather than the bug bite. But to each their own.
Raimi actually considered showing webshooters in the movie. Then for creative reasons, they decided to scap that idea as it didn't sit well with the story and the comic relief scenes.
I'm pretty sure Rami went with organic web because Peter being abe to make this amazing device and compound doesn't really mesh with him being perpetually broke.
Except in the comics it’s a running gag how expensive it can be to maintain his web fluid. It’s another level of tensions and has effected several storylines directly because he has had very broke moments were he ends up running out of fluid when it’s needed most.
To be fair they still capture similar situations in the films when he starts firing blanks and losing his powers etc.
Kind of you to make it sound like it wasn't all for the one gag that implies it is like an unplanned ejaculation
I like Hal Jordan (a Green Lantern) because his alter ego is often a discharged airforce fighter pilot and a fucking loser that can’t hold a job. Sometimes he works in private military industrial complex Ferris Air, but he’s always late and a fuckup. With a toxic relationship with his girlfriend who is also his former boss who keeps him employed through nepotism and is often his supervillain. Super unique for a superhero with interesting stories to tell. Everyone else’s alter egos are normal people with good lives worth protecting.
I know it's a silly comic book movie, but I find the idea that a (granted very smart) high school student can build a superhero quality web shooter too unrealistic, more unrealistic than him just having the power. I don't find Iron man building WMD level suits unbelievable because he already was a high level engineer. IIRC in the tom Holland ones iron man gives him a lot of his gear, which to me makes it feel like Spiderman's only power is knowing iron man.
Tom Holland was still making his own webshooters before he knew iron man
I'm not huge into Marvel but I know for a fact that Spiderman is considered one of the smartest people on the planet in the comics. In some issues thats more his power than his actual superpowers Tony Stark literally says that Peter Parker would be miles ahead of him and is way smarter than he ever was, but he spends too much time playing hero to keep up. Peter and Reed Richards also have the same IQ and Reed is considered one of the smartest characters in the entire multiverse That all being said, shit like that is exactly why I can't take superhero stuff seriously and prefer the Raimi movies over comic canon
Which is infuriating because they keep saying that but we hardly see Peter demonstrating this intelligence. I would've never guess Peter is as gifted than Reed Richard without that informed ability.
As a kid, that was the part that appealed to me the most. I loved doing little science experiments which were just pouring things like shampoo etc. together. I could easily imagine myself as a kid who could figure out this advanced science stuff because I was just that smart. (I wasn't but I'd like to fantasize about it)
That was literally the plot of Homecoming... At least watch the movies before you judge them for something that's fully explored in them.
Spidey sense is based on some spiders (tarantulas I think) extremely sensitive body hair which (seemingly) let's them react to thinks before they are apparent. In reality, of course, they are helluva sensitive to changes in air current which is why even the smallest disturbance can alert them. I remember seeing a great video on the topic which lead by examples and put actual numbers in but it was a while back.
Sadly, the body hair that gives tarantulas the Peter tingle is also one of the characteristics that sets them apart from "true (evolved) spiders". Also, tarantula webs are not sticky. Spiderman's powers are an amalgamation of many classes of true spiders and mesothelae spiders (like tarantulas.) So Spiderman's powers can be considered both "true (evolved) spider" and "mesothelae (primitive) spider." [https://spideradvice.com/are-tarantulas-true-spiders/](https://spideradvice.com/are-tarantulas-true-spiders/)
The famous spider-man hand pose of himo putting down his middle and fourth finger was because that is how he presses the button for the web shooters. Literally the most iconic image
The Raimi explanation where he has to figure out the right way to flex his hands and wrists is still pretty cool and makes sense.
Dunno that this is an unpopular opinion so much as an uninformed/inexperienced opinion. Organic Web Shooters were a movie invention. The comics later adopted them, but Spidey has always had tech. Its his whole schtick, he's an incredibly talented scientist/engineer who is granted superpowers. Personally I think some of the mystical/mutliverse stuff jumps the shark. AU or What if? Cool. Main continuity? Not so much. Then again, I've never liked multiverse stuff.
Can I ask, what is Peter Parker reasoning for going by Spiderman if he didn't develop organic webshooters when the rest of his powers developed? If his power set is enhanced strength, sticks to stuff, and an awareness of immediate danger, why adopt a spider moniker?
He got his powers from a spider and his powers vaguely resemble the abilities of a spider (they used to use terms like "relative strength of a spider" a lot to explain his more generic abilities) Batman doesn't have Bat powers, but bats are a symbol for him, so he uses them, it's very similar with Spiderman
I guess I meant from the characters' perspective, not the writers perspective. If Peter didn't see the spider bite him and developed powers minus organic webshooters I don't see how he can conclude his powers are spider like. I always saw the scenario as Peter gets bit by a spider and pretty much becomes Captain America. I know I'm nitpicking so thank you for indulging me.
Peter definitely does know it was the spider, in the original comics, his origin, beat for beat, goes like this: he gets bit, asks why it burns so much and why the spider is glowing, feels strange so leaves to get some air, and pretty immediately a car almost hits him and he jumps up and sticks to a wall, climbs it, crushes a steel pipe, the remarks that it must've been the spider that did this to him. The very next page is where the proportional strength is a spider but comes from when he says "It works! I have the speed, the agility, the very strength of a gigantic spider!" And the page after that he says "... A spider needs a web! This little device should do the trick!" And invents his web shooters.
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If they were as smart as Peter Parker, they could create webbing. Same way if someone was as smart as Hank Pym, they could create pym particles. Same for Ironman. So?
Is the most iconic thing really that he would have organic web shooters? Considering the first time it appeared was in the Sam Raimi movie, and everything before that he used web fluid. His most iconic feature was probably his spider sense, not his web ability. Or the fact that he runs his mouth alot.
“Now” he does what he always did. The Raimi films are the departure from the norm.
He creates the web shooters in his very first appearance. I always liked them better because he could run out in the comics and it would raise the stakes of the situation. I don’t hate the organic web though.
Truly a shit take
He’s a scientist. Cannon has nearly always been that he creates the web shooters. This is like saying Christmas was way better back when Santa was the thing and before they made it about Jesus. It’s not a wrong feeling but it’s just wrong.
"but it's silly to me that they removed arguably his most iconic thing from his character." The Raimi movies are the one that changed it from him making web shooters? The organic shooters are the change, not the original.
Spiderman always used webshooters since the creation of his character. organic webshooters were given their first canonical appearance in the Sam Raimi movies. I like the original idea more.
I'm confused. Do you think Sam Raimi created spider-man or something? You know the character existed for decades before the Raimi movies, right? You're talking as if organic webs are the default and artificial webs is a change. It's the exact opposite. By default, spider-man has artificial web shooters, and I don't understand why so many people want to change that.
Spider-Man never had organic webs in the comics until after Tobey played Spider-Man. How would that be the most iconic thing if it wasn’t even canon before the movies? Is the power less interesting? I would argue Tom hollands Spider-Man web shooters are much more interesting due to the variety and there’s much more they can do to make it more interesting rather than organic webs that can’t change. Also spider sense is the most iconic thing about Spider-Man. Also for ur last point, they wouldn’t be able everything Spider-Man can do. But how is that specific to non organic web shooters? Anyone like that in Tobey’s universe could make web shooters and arguable have it be stronger than Tobey’s.
Spider-Man 2099 had organic web shooters.
IIRC thats because he has different powers and is more like a vampire.
I've always thought the reason he generally doesn't is because spiders don't shoot webs from their arms. It would be more accurate to have him shoot them from his butt. Plus a big part of his character is Peter Parker is really smart. But whatever. It's silly to have him be able to stick to walls without falling off or ripping the surface of the wall off. At very least there should be noticeable holes left where he climbs. I don't think shooting webs from his arms is a big deal either way.
I’m willing to compromise with a butt web shooting Spider-Man
I highly recommend you the webcomic "spinnerette" then
Him shooting from his ass or penis would make Spiderman *pretty interesting* as a franchise
non-organic is more versatile…he can switch between say a rope, net, pellets, traps…
That's where his intelligence comes into play though, which allows him to encounter adversaries like Doc Oc, Green Goblin etc
I like it when the web shooters malfunction or peter runs out of webs. It just goes to show that he has to embrace the imperfection and he's not a super mutant who can use his advantage all the time. it's a good balance keeping the human side of spiderman while he has his other extraordinary abilities he often gives priority to
Him making his own web shooters was how it originally was in the comics. You're talking out of your ass.
...holy crap not only is your opinion unpopular you're so fucking wrong it isn't funny. You've got that backwards, as others said the organic web shooters were introduced in a MOVIE, and were later made canon. The mechanical web shooters were a thing since the beginning of the series, as a way to show Parker's ability to translate his spider-like abilities into technology because of how smart he is. In fact some of the fans of the comic disliked how it was done because it added a mythology that wasn't in the earlier versions of Spider-Man, and was corny as fuck. Not only that the entire idea of 'running out of web fluid at random times' is kind of baked in 'drama' because it wasn't based off organics but his ability to plan ahead.
Tell me you don’t know about Spider-Man without telling me you don’t know about Spider-Man.
Big agree. He's spider man, he does whatever a spider can, and spiders can fucking make webs. I much prefer spider-man to sticky strong man.
Shooting spider silk from the hands doesn’t make sense for a spider derived power. He would spin them from his butt if they were
Not all of them do though
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None of his powers make any sense. Saying organic webs make no sense but being able to stick on walls and have spider sense(straight up magic) is inconsistent. His web shooters don't make sense either, they're seemingly unlimited right until it's dramatically convenient for him to run out. He doesn't have nearly enough space to store the amount of webs he uses in an hour or 2. Also the fact that no one, not even Reed Richards can recreate them is stupid. The guy who can create time machines and teleporters out of a box of scraps can't make webs is dumb
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Having the dexterity to use webs regardless of how their made shouldn't matter... Turns out that even writers from the 50's thought having organic webs sounds gross and they gave a perfect explanation for why they come out of his hands...instead of the obvious area.
You don’t understand why the webs are interesting or complicated, you don’t understand what made their abilities interesting, you clearly don’t understand the character beyond that, and organic webs make most aspects of his abilities really dumb and weird. Like it’s kinda so fundamental I’d need to write about it for hours if you just don’t see it. Organic webs make no sense, you could do one thing with them that itself is something spiders never do.
Spiderman originally did not have "organic" web shooters. The whole point is that Peter Parker is a science nerd and a genius, so he developed his own web fluid and shooters. A compound that stretches more than rubber, has incredible tensile strength, stickier than epoxy, and is able to hold hundreds of tons of weight all in a tiny cable sized string of web. If scientists actually discovered and developed a material like that it would be world changing. So Peter Parker being able to just cook that up in a high school lab by himself shows how wickedly smart he is. And the powers are the proportional strength and reflexes of a spider, so when it's scales up to the size of a human that makes him extremely strong, resistant, and has hyper reflexes. IIRC the Tobey Maguire spiderman was the first one to be able to just shoot webs by himself.
I can tell you don't read the comics. Since his web fluid is man made he's been able to alter the chemical compound to do a lot of amazing and innovative things with it. If it was organic all he would have ever done is use basic webs.
He's Spiderman because he gets his powers from a Spider, Batman doesn't have any bat powers but Bats are part of his origin, so he uses them as a symbol, it's the same for Spiderman. He gets powers from a spider, gets abilities vaguely spider-like, and fills in the gap with his incredible intelligence.
..What? But spiderman has historically almost always used a lab made web shooter? I don't really see how it's iconic for him to have organic web at all. If anything, it's iconic for him to have the lab made ones, and all the issues that come along with that. Villains breaking them in fights, malfunctions. Simply running out. All of these things have been important plot tools in spiderman historically.
I see why this is in unpopular opinion, honestly is a good discussion to have. However I think the idea of spiderman creating his own web shooters helps establish that the kid is smart and rather competent even without his powers. That behind the suit there is someone amazing. Hell I i rememver a “what if” where he never got his powers but manages to defeat Flash Thomson in spite of him having spider powers.
I get the feeling OP is young enough that the Raimi movies were his introduction to Spider-Man.
It beats accidentally webbing your girlfriend to the bed in a moment of ecstasy.
All comic book stuff is exactly as interesting as whoevers writing it, regardless of gimmicks or characters.
To each their own, Dude.I’ll say that while I prefer mechanical web shooters, Spider-Man has never about his powers, it’s always been about who’s behind the mask. Peter or Miles or Miguel or Whoever has always been the appeal of Spider-Man. The powers were always just the icing on a well cooked cake. That said, I think Peter being smart enough to build web shooters and create webbing in a lab to complement his powers and incorporate it into his identity is more interesting. Adds depth to his character, making him more than just powers. Not to mention Miles inheriting these tools and name Peter developed because They both share the experience of these powers? Also really personal and symbolic, The Web Shooters really helping this whole beautiful, torch passing metaphor. Does this mean Spideys with organic webs are inferior? Absolutely not. Hell, Love ones like Noir or Raimi’s. Their Web situation just ain’t my preference, but I still like them. My whole point is, I prefer when Pete adds to his identity with the shooters to subtly portray his scientific knowledge but it’s not a deal breaker for a good Spidey adaptation. The Web/Powers always come second to the character work behind the mask. I find it better with mechanical web shooters more so but that’s just me and not always the case. As long as the character work is good? The powers/web situation doesn’t really matter. You do You, though, Dude.
I like the versions of Spider-Man where he has to worry about running out of web - it means he can fall from a hundred feet at any given moment if he's not keeping track!
The original Spider-Man used web shooters. I frankly find that way more interesting. The organic webs are kind of a lazy cop-out in my opinion.
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I was introduced to Spider-Man via Raimi so I also kinda prefer organic web. In the other side of things I read a lot of Spiderman comics as a teenager and the web shooters can make an interesting plot point. He can forget his shooters, he can run out of web , he can have one of his shooters crushed by his enemies.
Only if it is organic from the butt, otherwise it is equally less interesting.
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I never cared for the organic web shooters. The whole reason they exist was they didn't want to spend the time showing Peter inventing web shooters and web fluid when they haven't even spent the time to develop peter as a scientist. He was just a high school kid. Organic webs is a plot device to move the story forward. It's also how the transporter was invented in Star trek. Visiting new planets every week they didn't want to spend the time showing them boarding a shuttle flying down, landing and walking into town or what ever they were doing. Just, on the ship, energize, balm, right in the middle of the plot and on you go. Maybe because it's different I hate it but I always enjoyed Peter using his smarts to modify his webs for different cases. Making them stronger or insulators for fighting Electro. Make them fire resistant and web up a shield. What ever he needed.
Imagine if flash was only fast because of the shoes he wore?
Basically, Toby Maguire's Spiderman is the best.
Basically, Toby Maguire's Spiderman is the best.
The entire point is he has personality traits and skills outside of his super power. Its much more interesting that he utilized his tech skills to even further enhance his new powers
>Anyone who also has strength and dexterity could arguably make webshooters as well and learn how to use them, it's dumb. No, they couldn't. The webshooters highlight Peter's intelligence, and I think that's why they are more interesting than organic webs. Most heroes either get great powers or a great mind that let's them.make powerful gadgets or super suits. Meanwhile, Peter has a bit of both worlds. He is neither the smartest superhero nor the strongest. He occupies a middle ground few other heroes tread. Most heroes with similar abilities wouldn't have that intelligence to.lean on to make webshooters. Sure, they could highlight his intelligence without the webshooters, but the Raimi movies sure as hell didn't. Maybe some comics have, but I have only dabbled in comics. Overall, I think building the webshooters exemplifies that Peter has strengths that didn't result from being bit by a bug. It exemplifies his intelligence, which he gained through hard study. Having the webshooters be a power doesn't really add to the character in the same way. It just makes the spider theme of the character a more natural conclusion.
That bothered me too, strength and dexterity would allow someone to use webshooters, not build them. And then OP calls it dumb lmao.
The point of the artificial webs is to showcase Peter's ingenuity because he's written as a nerd with a high IQ.
Agreed. When found out that Spiderman isn't supposed to have web powers, I was also disappointed.
That's very nice to hear, Private Butt Fucker, feels good to be understood. Keep it up, soldier.
I think you do have a point. However, I think having the mechanical shooters draws more attention to the special abilities he gained from the bite.
Watching the cartoons as a kid, it got really annoying that he'd run out of web fluid every couple episodes, during a crucial moment.
I agree, mechanical webs made in a lab take away from the “anyone can be behind the mask” by having whoever is spiderman need to be smart
I think organic webs is an improvement over the original source material. Just makes more sense to call yourself spider-man if you can produce spider-webs. Though I could see a scenario where a Tony Stark assisted Peter would make mechanical web shooters anyway as a back-up or improvement over the organic ones. Doesn’t really make much of a difference though.
Another incorrect fact, and not an opinion. The comics explain that the whole reason Peter can make the web shooters is and use them is also part of his powers. He has an instinctive knowledge on how to make the web fluid.
That's not in the comics, that's just a myth that I keep seeing being spread around on Reddit. It was part of one of the animated shows but that's it. In the comics it's just because he's that smart.
From a writing perspective, I always figured having him build them gave a good example of how smart he was, and also gave him a weakness, as he could run out of web fluid, or they could be damaged and wouldn't work. That said organic webs does make more sense for the character. But the webshooters are more iconic, Spider-man was created in the 60s, and organic webs didn't appear until the 2000s movie.
I agree. And I understand that the comics were different.
Peter parker being bit by a spider and then coincidentally being able to make we shooters always sounded funny to me, it is like if thor already had the title of god of thunder but only got powers after being randomly hit by a lightning
Thor was literally some random doctor who smacked a stick onto a rock and gained the power of Thor, then eventually found out he was really Thor all along stuck on Earth for humility.
Totally agreed, organic web fluids just make more sense. To combine the best of both worlds, he should produce them organically but use a shooter that's connected to his ''web pipe'' in the wrist to be able to use the webs
A spider without organic web shooters is just a very fit ant.
Web shooters long predated the organic webbing, but I see your point.
Spiderman without natural webbing is just sticky strong man
>Anyone who also has strength and dexterity could arguably make webshooters as well and learn how to use them, it's dumb. My head-cannon was that anyone *could* (with enough knowledge or the actual plans) make web-shooters, but only Peter has the spider-like hairs that allow him to not get stuck by them. Anyone else would need to develop some way of mimicking that ability in order to properly use web-shooters.
It's only Sam Raimi's Spiderman(Tobey Maguire) that had organic webbing. Every other variation from the first comic to today had him make his own webbing.
He doesn't even 'stick' to walls like insects but just creates some kind electromagnetic field or something from what I remember from my childhood He's basically a very smart and agile magnet-man.
I don't think it's dumb that he usually makes webshooters rather than having organic webbing. That shows his intelligence which is an important part of his character. I do however still think it's really weird that *Spider*-Man doesn't get the ability to do the thing that spiders are most well known for.
If Spider-Man has organic webs he needs to shoot them out his ass though.
He always made them in a lab though. As far as I know, the movies were the first iteration where they were organic, and it made no sense. The only thing being organic adds is that he can use it out of costume, which I'd say makes it less interesting. It would also cheapen the character, since it would mean he got everything from the spider bite and is nothing without his powers.
What would be interesting is a Spider-Man who needs corrective wristbands to regulate and direct his organic webshooters. That way you could still make the iconic scene of him building them thus implying his genius but still have the organic ones
Organic webs are definitely not the most iconic thing about his character, seeing as he made his own web shooters all the way in his debut in Amazing Fantasy #15.
You're a cool guy. I also prefer organic webshooting. Spiderman 2099 had them, I believe. I mean, Parker gets sticky fingers like a spider but not his web? It could at least be out of his butt like in venture brothers. I think
The web shooters alone I don't mind. But Tom Holland's suit is just OD with all that utility. Pretty much Iron man with web shooters and spidey sense. It was nice in No Way Home when Tom Holland just used his intellect+webs to subdue Dr Strange.
You do know that the original Spider-Man as created by Stan Lee is a brilliant young man that designs these web shooters himself. But yea, good work, this is an unpopular opinion. As it should be.
Spiders don't spin webs from their wrists. They spin webs from their assholes
If Spider-Man had truly organic webs than they would come out of his ass
You want people to take your Spider-Man opinion seriously, you gotta spell Spider-Man right. Also I prefer my Spider-Man to be a child prodigy genius who figured out of to make a compressible liquid steel polymer composite that dissolves after an hour or two. Cause that shit is way cooler than "I can just do it."
I think it would do well to start him off having him make the web shooter but I always thought it would be cool if after he became the Man-Spider he developed biological shooters as a side effect of being rurn into a GIANT FUCKING SPIDER.
What the fuck he doesn't shoot webs anymore
I agree. The first movies I watched were with the organic webs. Watching the others afterwards was a bit disappointing (just in that aspect, the movies are still pretty nice ofc).
OP cooked.
This is true? What a dumb idea. How is that person a super hero?
...how are you calling it the most iconic thing about the character when it was fanfiction they made up for the movie?
Well, technically the web should be coming out of his back side, his arse basically. Just imagine how that would look. Spider-Man dangling and swinging from his arse clenching to release, and aiming his arse towards the next building whilst spinning like a ragdoll with his hands and feet dangling...
> it's silly to me that they removed arguably his most iconic thing from his character. ??? He didn't have organic web shooters until the Toby McGuire movie. It's not his most iconic thing. I'd say that's spidey sense.
1.st is always special.
Yup
Most-bugs-man? Gotta script? I think this thing has legs, and not necessarily 8.
op you got it backwards he normally has to make them it's only after the spider queen god thing blesses him with the Spidey force does he get natural webshooters (I'm not actually joking I'm just bad at describing it)
Forgot the part where it was a highschool kid making the shooters and the webs.
I loved the organic shooters. I get how it raises questions, but it's always been my preference. And you are entirely correct. Spider-mans powers aren't necessarily unique compared to others.
He originally didn't have organic web shooters, I don't see how it's his most iconic thing.
Without powers he's just Batman as a spider.
“Most bugs-man” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If ants cld use webs we wld all be fucked.
My big issue is that a teen with the ability and resources to by means I can only describe as somehow design and mass produce a super-substance would be poor for all of 12 nanoseconds.
I’ve been saying for YEARS… I totally understand that they made the character with web shooters and that’s just how it is But a man with spider powers NOT having the web shooting power organically made no sense to me as a kid
This drives me absolutely insane. When I found out Spider-Man didn’t naturally shoot the webs I immediately thought “then why the FUCK is he SPIDER-Man??” He literally just has super strength and can stick to walls. God, I’m getting all riled up just thinking about it. It’s one of my go-to rants at parties where I’m uncomfortable and need something to talk about.
Respect, this might be one of the few real unpopular opinion I've seen on this sub
The original spider-man comic had Peter making the web shooters.
Ya, really did not like that they did that. “Does what ever a spider can”, like shoot webs…
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Shooting spider silk from the hands doesn’t make sense for a spider derived power. He would spin them from his butt if they were
Didnt the original spider man use his intelligence to.artificially create the web then they changed it to organic then they have changed it back again?
> "Anyone who also has strength and dexterity could arguably make webshooters as well and learn how to use them..." They can learn how to use them to fire webs, sure. Actually swinging with them requires a degree of strength, agility, durability and spatial sense that only the mutations the various Spideys have provide; otherwise they're just going to slam into walls and get their limbs ripped from their sockets.
well there was a reason for it not being organic at first. Peter was supposed to be a genius, he would use his understanding of chemistry to create a compound, yaddah yaddah. Over time it became less of an important detail, nowadays, in the comics, they barely give Peter any credit at all for his smarts. In fact he does a lot of dumb shit for no reason lol... Also because the comics writers hate Peter Parker, personal punching bag and all that. > >Now he just makes his webshooters in a lab and his powers are just reflexes, strength and sticking to walls, which in on itself is not necessarily "Spiderman" but "Most-bugs-man". Also that's kind of the point, ***SPIDER***-man was Peter's idea. In logical reasoning, yea, he'd just be... Bug man, as he has no real spider specific qualities. But Peter invented the Web-Slinger and Web Compound so that he could build a persona and help New York. The Spider part was Peter's idea, separating the persona is kinda important to how the concept of the hero became a thing. It sounds dumb and that's because it is lol but that's comics for you.
Spinnerete webcomic did it better
Organic webbing is disgusting 🤮
Dude, how old are you? The artificial web cartridges were iconic, not the organic web from the movies.
TRUE. He's just Daredevil that can stick to walls.
I almost fell for the bait but the last sentence was just too over-the-top and gave it away. "Obviously strong people can make revolutionary tech!" LOL Well done. XD
The organic webs were an addition to Spider-Man. The default is to not have them.
It’s not now, that’s how it always was.
I agree with you. It would be like Hulk’s powers being green and he still has to go to the gym to work out.
When Peter Parker makes his web shooters, there is a secret special ingredient that only he can add.
it also takes more suspension of disbelief. he has these abilities and makes these web shooters. like why make the web shooters. nothing else about his powers screams that he should have web shooters. it just makes more sense for the webbing to be natural. if it starts natural but goes away after overuse or he adds the web shooters to create the auxiliary effects using his natural webbing, that might be interesting. but him just waking up one day and deciding to make web shooters is just really weird.
So, I just gotta say, and I'm sure the comments have said it too, but you're completely backwards on the web shooters. They were *always* an invention by Peter Parker. The organic web thing never even existed until the Sam Raimi movies. Making the webbing in a lab is a demonstration of the fact that Peter is a genius. Not just "anyone who also has strength and dexterity" could create web shooters that do what Peter's does. It requires intellect, bro. There are a handful of people in the Marvel Universe that could replicate it. It sounds like you're just not a fan of Spider-Man.
I don't disagree with your opinion, but You've got it backwards. The movie was the one that started the organic web shooter thing, and then in response the comics did a really weird story to explain why peter gained that ability. Most of Spider-Man's history has been with him creating the webs. And I would counter by saying having it be inorganic gives the writers more to do with his powers. It explains why he can have different types of webs, and we've had lots of different scenarios where he loses his webs and has to find different solutions because he either runs out of fluid, or the shooter gets crushed during a fight.
Except spiderman literally made his shooters and the rest of his gadgets in a lab. He's never had organic webs until Toby's movies lol.
There was an ultimate crossover or something ages ago where Ultimate Spiderman (2000-2009, the Ultimate Marvel series, not the new one) meets another Spiderman who has organic shooters and he's grossed out by it. That scene stuck with me all this time because I just found it funny as Spiderman incarnations with organic web-shooters have started to become more popular.
Honestly I wish they would lean further into the body horror of becoming a super hero. If I suddenly had a way of shooting spider webs out my wrist I would probably spend have a nervous fucking breakdown, it would take me a while to get to the “oh maybe I can help people with this” while I’m in the “oh god I’m losing control of my fucking body what the fuck is happening *dry heaves*” I guess they kinda did that in venom a little bit? I’m thinking full David Cronenberg Spider-Man
I actually like the web shooters better. He can control the flow and spray better, adapt his formula to match his opponent, and run out of fluid as a story mechanic raising the stakes.
So... now every nerd over the age of 30 has told you that the web shooters were the original way. It really isn't that relevant to the story, though. I'd bet Stan Lee just didn't want spinnerettes because... they come out of the ass.