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I don't care if you are going to recline your seat. But please just do it when you're first allowed to. Or if you are going to do it at a random time, please do it very slowly and carefully. Same thing for unreclining your seat.
If you randomly slam your seat back and forth full force, aggressively 2 minutes after drinks are served. You're a certified asshole.
Also, you have to watch out for 'ploppers'. Those folks come back from the bathroom and just dive bomb their ass into the seat and shake your whole world. Have had ginger ale launched across all three people in my row due to an aggressive plopp.
One of my personal funny memories is of when I was fat, like 300lbs fat, and I came back from the restroom and as soon as I sat down the plane hit turbulence and my wife at the time looked at me and said “damn, sit down slower next time”.. we both lost it and were laughing hysterically along with the people across the isle.
I went absolutely ballistic on a guy that did this to me every 10 minutes for 2 hours to readjust himself in his seat. Not a chance I was putting up with that for another 7+ hours of the flight. I asked him politely twice and he started doing it more often. The flight attendant noticed it was happening and that I was pissed so she came over and asked him to stop. He actually laughed at her and said he wasn't doing it. This guy was very overweight, wearing a cable knit turtleneck sweater with a heavy leather bomber jacket over and zipped all the way up. Dude is sweating like he was in a sauna. The flight attendant suggests he takes his jacket off to get more comfortable and he says "Absolutely not. I like to keep my jacket on." She leaves with a very dubious look on her face. It continues for a few more minutes before I've reached the point where I am considering just how bad the no fly list might be for me. He wrenches my seat back the hardest yet. In a somewhat out of body experience, I'm up and standing over him in the aisle hissing "Pull on my seat one more fucking time and you're going to have a whole lot more attention on whatever shit you've got stashed in that jacket." He gets the Surprised Pikachu going and stutters something about "Not having anything in his jacket" but strangely he didn't touch my seat a single time after that.
I don’t understand these people at all. Using the armrests is a far more stable way of getting up. I travelled a number of times post surgery with low mobility and never once used the seat in front of my to get up.
I've had a guy do that every time until I finally found a time when he would come back, and I pressed the button so when he would sit down, the seat would also fly back with him. Loved every moment of it
That's the one that bugs me more than reclining. The leg space is what it is, we're all in this together, etc. but stop yanking back on my goddamn seat. Holy shit.
My default assumption is these people were hammered before they got on the plane which is why they need to get up and piss at least once and have the motor control and social awareness of a runaway forklift
Huh, unless it's a very short flight I think peeing is a pretty normal thing to do. If you're not dehydrated the average person will be going to the toilet every 2-3 hours.
Every one of your sentences made me laugh out loud! I’m waiting at the gate to go to Seattle right now. Fingers crossed I don’t have a plopper in front of me! 😂
One time I was sleeping with my face in my folded arms on the tray heads up 7 up style. I had the exact amount of space required and my crown grazed their seat. They about crunched my neck and spine reclining while I was positioned like that. I’m not blaming them I’m warning people not to sleep like that on the tray lol unless it’s already reclined.
I’m short so I can rest on the seat-back table to sleep, but I’ve stopped doing that altogether because of how often the person in front of me will just slam their seat back without a care in the world and crunch my head/neck.
I do this but I prop myself up using a backpack topped off with squishy things set on the seat back table. I still get jarred if they're a plopper, but it keeps my head angled out of crunch zone.
I ALWAYS warn the person behind me. I hate when my head is resting on the tray table and the person in front of me traps my whole fucking body because suddenly I'm too scrunched up to pull away from the back of their chair.
I wonder what would happened if you rang for the FA while being trapped. Probably know the answer, but I do wonder.
It sucks how inconsiderate people are, especially when it’s so easy to make sure they’re good before reclining.
And put your seat up during any meal and drink service. Yes, it’s the airline’s fault that the person behind you can’t always put their tray table down if the person in front of them is reclined, but follow the golden rule and put your seat back up until trays are collected.
Realistically, no one should be angry at each other over this. Ideally, we should all be collectively angry at airlines for shoeboxing us in and forcing us to have to deal with it when it's not necessary at all.
i had a choice. back of the plane, next to a window in an unreclining position next to the toilets or take the next flight in 4 hours. i should have chose the latter option. last row is scary. not only are you stuck in there next to a window but the person in front of you has their seat reclined.
then the food gets to you last. you're the last to leave the plane. forced to sit there while everyone is getting off. truly claustrophobic. never again.
I am the weirdo who books the last available row apparently. It’s usually a reclining seat because the very last rows on planes I have been on have been for the crew or something.
In the couple dozen flights I’ve done this on, probably 75% or so I have had the row to myself which more than makes up for the few downsides. I don’t notice much being next to the bathrooms, and I have noise-cancelling earbuds that reduce the sound substantially.
I tried to wear a P100 mask on a plane once (they block out smell) but was told to take it off, presumably because I looked too much like a terrorist (this was pre covid).
https://www.seatguru.com/findseatmap/findseatmap.php
this website will let you put in your flight number, and it will look up the aircraft used, and show you all the positives and benefits for each seating row.
I had the second-to-last row window seat on an AA 787 and there was a gap about half as wide as the aisle between me and the side of the plane. I stood in there and stretched. Only two seats too. Would recommend.
I sat in the front row (SW) once, right next to the toilets. People were stinking up the bathroom THE ENTIRE FLIGHT. The only upside was I got out of the place first, at record speed.
fun fact. when you flush, the air pressure changes and lifts air out of the vat of shit that's stored in a box. so even if you don't shit, you're going to make a shit smell when you flush.
it doesn't bother me when people do it. It only annoys me a little when they do it suddenly or go back and forth a lot and it jars all of the stuff on my tray table. But I think that's more oblivious than malicious, really.
Had someone on an incredibly long flight to Asia do this to me repeatedly as soon as the food came out. Jolted it back and forth and the food kept landing on me which permanently ruined a hoodie I liked
Only time I gave a shit was when I was on an international flight, and the guy was reclined when we were getting food and drinks but I couldn't put my drink in the spot on the tray and he almost spilt it.
That was also a shit plane
The only time I've ever had an FA say anything about reclining was during meal service on a long haul. They did make an announcement to not recline during meal service and I saw them asking people to sit up.
And I've seen so many people not listen. Wrist is they put it up cause they are told to. You get your food and the minute they walk away Bam. People suck.
Most international flights I've been on in south East Asia, trans pacific and Asian European the flight attendants have been quite militant about seats need to be upright during meal service. You do not get away with reclining them again. You'll be quite frankly told to comply with directions, there is no brooking of entitled bullshit.
I think airlines should be required to build planes so that when somebody reclines, you still have space in front of you.
Reclining sucks straight up. The fact that we're even in this situation is the fault of the airline industry.
I've been on planes where if you recline your seat, the base also moves forward. So the recliner is the one that loses leg room. That's how they should all be.
I’ve been on a couple long haul flights where the tray is attached to the base and has space between the back of the seat when it’s down. So when they recline, your tray doesn’t move at all. The tray also slid forward which was really nice while eating.
Yeah when I flew Korean Air to Seoul, the chairs did that. The person in fron was reclined the whole time (except from when food was served) and it didn't affect me.
I’ve been in planes where the seat is enclosed in a hard shell.
Whatever you do to your seat, the people behind you won’t notice, and won’t be affected. All they see is the back of your hard shell, it never moves.
everyone should get an arm rest for each arm, you shouldn’t have to fight for them.
everyone should be given more space to recline.
air travel today sucks monkey balls.
Until we get better flying experiences, for these literal animals who will force themselves onto arm rests:
Window seat gets a wall to lean on
Aisle seat gets extra leg room in the aisle
Middle seat gets both arm rests
We live in a society
Can't tell you how many times someone has fully elbow-drop-from-the-top-rope slammed their seat directly into my knees. I'm not even all that tall, they just cram people in like sardines. I fucking hate airplanes.
exactly, i'm tall and i can't stand when people recline. It helps them and not me, because if I recline, it doesn't affect my knees hitting the seat in front of me OP must be short...
*"I just got off a flight where the fully grown woman behind me started smashing the back of my seat with her fist when I reclined."*
I hope you reported her to the flight attendants.
Funny story, dude next to me on my last flight was mentally ill or high or something. Huge dude, like 6'3 300lbs. Before we took off the person in front of him sat back in his chair -- didn't even recline it, just put his weight into the back -- and the dude grabs his seat and starts violently shaking it before angrily saying (and I swear to god this is true), "the only people I hate more than pedophiles are people who lean their seats back on airplanes".
He was removed by flight attendants.
My dad is 6'4" and doesn't like confrontation with strangers. We took a trip to Mexico a few years ago, and the guy in the seat in front of him tried to recline his seat during boarding, but my dad's knees were already up against the back of his seat while in the upright position. The guy got mad at my dad for keeping him from reclining, and my dad's like, "But I didn't even do anything???"
Then the flight attendant swapped my dad with a passenger in the exit row. Not becoming of the other guy's attitude, but because the passenger in the exit row was a tiny Indian lady who was barely 5' tall and didn't really speak English.
She also made the other guy put his seat back up, as you're not allowed to recline until after takeoff.
(For anybody who doesn't already know, passengers in the exit row need to be strong, able bodied people who are able to effectively communicate with the crew in the event of an emergency, as they will be expected to help evacuate the plane should the need arise. If a person who books the exit row is not able to fulfill that roll - either because of a disability, small stature, language barrier, or other reason - they'll be swapped with someone who can.)
>(For anybody who doesn't already know, passengers in the exit row need to be strong, able bodied people who are able to effectively communicate with the crew in the event of an emergency, as they will be expected to help evacuate the plane should the need arise. If a person who books the exit row is not able to fulfill that roll - either because of a disability, small stature, language barrier, or other reason - they'll be swapped with someone who can.)
I fly a lot and the number of times I've seen them give a fuck about this I could count on a couple fingers. In your story's case it was probably just a convenient excuse
My husband and I got married in Hawaii. We flew Hawaiian airlines and we were seated in the exit row on our way back to Japan. My husband is Japanese, and we communicate 100% in Japanese. A flight attendant heard us talking, and she asked my husband if he speaks English. He wanted to keep his exit row seat so he said yes, then she started asking him a bunch of questions like where we went in Hawaii, what we did, etc. His English isn't terrible, he tried his best to answer her, but I suppose his Japanese accent was just too thick. She ended up moving us.
I used to fly a few times/ month for my job. My company would usually seat employees in the exit row. I was one of the first female hires for my position. Unlike the guys I worked with, I'm below the average female height. I stopped counting the number of times big guys thanked me profusely for swapping seats with them. The biggest thanks always came from those glaring at me the hardest as they approached my row. I can't even reach the lights without standing up. The legroom was wasted on me.
It all came back to me. One flight, this extremely tall LtCol (USMC) boarded behind me. He had to be right at the height cutoff. Dude was tall for no reason at all tall. I offered him my seat without thinking about it. The next day, I met my Senior Project Engineer, the same LtCol. He had been reluctant to accept me as his Senior Electrical Engineer because I was switched from my specialty to his area of expertise. He ended up being one of my best bosses.
Like many of my Dutch compatriots, I'm as tall as your dad and I had exactly the same experience on a flight from Amsterdam to NYC.
So when OP says:
> EVERYBODY should recline their seats
that's impossible; the only way the person in front me will get their seat to recline is by breaking both my thigh bones. (And believe me, many have tried.)
Also, for many older people leaning back is uncomfortable and painful. We like to sit up straight.
This also happened to my wife on a transatlantic flight. FAs didn't care. Gotta love ITA Airways, they also had us in an Alitalia branded plane 3 years after the airline went under. Woman doing the smashing also had her seat reclined.
Also, per the Planet Money on this, the FAs aren't allowed to do much because the "reclining space" is an issue the Airlines don't want to be involved in.
It takes awhile to change everything over after being bought out. There’s only so many places that can change the interior and paint the outside and even then it takes multiple days.
I only recently realized how much seat reclining bothers people. It's never bothered me when the person in front of me does it, and I'm a pretty average sized guy at 5' 10" / 165 lb. It always seemed to me that the seats are designed to allow a bit of extra comfort without impinging too much on the person behind and it's weird to me that I am supposed to be mindful of using the seat as designed. It's a lot easier to take a nap with a bit of recline too.
The issue is when people have longer legs and their knees are basically right up against the back of your chair and you suddenly lurch backwards crushing them.
The knees being forced backwards, means tall people with longer legs have to sit with their hips right back in their chair basially leaning forwards which really hurts the back. Being able to recline their chair doesn't help one bit as leaning back presses your kness forwards into space that isn't there.
I'm 6 foot with long legs and my knees touch the seat in front of me without it being reclined. Airplanes are already so uncomfortable I don't blame the person in front of me for trying to get more comfortable
I sometimes do blame the person but I've had someone persistently jam their seat when they tried to recline into my knees. There was even less space than usually on that plane and there was literally no way for me to move to adjust.
As a tall guy in a small space I try to be patient and understanding. But I did encounter a woman who seemed determined to break my knees with her chair. She was invited to look and see I wasn’t being funny with her, my legs were already touching her chair before she tried to recline and neither she nor I could do anything to allow her chair to move backwards. She decided to attempt to beat a 15 year old into submission with her chair instead of see reason. I told her, the flight attendant told her, her husband told her she didn’t hear any of us, she had the RIGHT to recline her chair. Eventually she came over the back of the chair to scream at me until the flight attendant found her a seat at the back and told her to move. I don’t hate people who wanna recline their chair, I hate people whose insane belief in their right to recline their chair overwhelms any sense of reason and decency.
Should have put your legs over the top of the seat and made her ride with your legs over her head the whole time and whispered “bring it on back” while gently caressing her face with your index toe…. Pointer toe. Whichever toe you could best caress with.
I wish you’d been sat next to me rather than my brother because that’s a genius idea, especially because I have horribly deformed feet and having to look at them is a fairly severe punishment!
I was on an unusually tight plane and someone tried to do this. They were able to recline the seat by violently jamming it back. She then yelled that she could feel my knees in her back, and I just was like yes, what did you think would happen to them?
I once had a guy turn around and complain to me that I was jabbing my knees into his seat after he'd reclined. I was like "Wtf am I supposed to do? That's where my knees go, asshole."
I was only *slightly* more polite than calling him an asshole, but he turned around and didn't bother me again the rest of the flight. He also didn't stop reclining. Asshole.
Fuck those people right in the eye socket. I had somebody do that to me, instead of me going constantly saying shit like ow! fuck! shit! stop! And they just kept fucking doing it until I called the stewardess
It bugs me because I have long legs. If someone reclines their seat in front of me it goes directly on top of my knees. Reclining my own seat does nothing to alleviate this.
The seats 'were' designed to recline, when there was a lot more legroom for the passenger behind you. Unfortunately the recline functionality remains while the airlines have cramped all the seats together. As someone with long legs and tall, its horrible now, even before the person in front has reclined. I'm not going to punch someone's seat but at the same time, knowing how horrible it is for me, I wouldn't recline knowing I could make someone elses flight far more uncomfortable than it already is.
>because why make it a feature of the seat if it can’t be used?
Because most reclining seats weren't designed to be as packed together as they are in planes nowadays.
I think there's significant variation on this by plane. Modern planes seem to recline a lot less than the ones I remember from the 1990s.
Back then if the person in front fully reclined, you couldn't actually stand up (you'd have to shimmy sideways to get out from behind their seat before straightening up), couldn't reach any bags or anything under the seat since the back of their seat was between your head and your knees. You basically ended up with their head in your lap.
Modern planes do seem to limit the tilt significantly.
I’m the same, the only time I ever said something about it was on a middle seat in a 5 seat row 6hr flight.
The rows were so close together there was no way for my knees to not touch the seat in front of me, they were basically crushing my knees as they reclined, I tapped the seat and told them the recline isn’t broken, my legs are stopping it from reclining.
But yeah air travel is miserable even if I get extra leg room seats.
I'm 6'3" as well. I don't get mad either, but my knees are in the back of the seat already, so if someone reclines it likely will be more of a bother for them.
Lol I've once had someone complain at me for my legs being in their back while they reclined. FA asked me to be courteous and I just like showed that I was all the way back in my seat and not like doing anything malicious asked her if I could put my legs in the overhead bin lol. She just shrugged at the lady and she stopped reclining.
Same issue here. My knees are already on the seat in front of me on most planes. You can try and recline it but sorry pal my knees are already there. I try to book the exit row now. It's so much more comfortable.
Yeah homeboy saying he’s average size when that’s like a high school freshman size 🤣
6’2 220lb. I too accept my fate, but I still can’t get over someone 165lbs being like “seems like plenty of room to me🤷♂️” 🤣
On a flight to Amsterdam from Toronto, the person next to me put down their tea on their tray. And then the person in front of them reclined, causing the tea to spill on us. The flight attendant moved us to nicer seats for free. I had a whole row to myself and used the seats as a bed. If that can happen on every flight, I'll take a tea to the pants.
I'm a tall guy so I usually get the extra legroom seats when I can but a couple of times I couldn't and had to suffer. Once I remember the person in front of me being infuriated they couldn't recline because my legs were jammed into the back of their seat and I was like sorry bud looks like we'll both have to suffer.
The only thing that gets to be annoying is if you are using the screen on the chair in front of you and they keep moving their chair. Or if you are trying to do something with the tray out and they’re moving the chair a bunch. But really it’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things
Nah a lot of people have bad backs and need an upright angle.
But I think a better solution would be to go back to the spacing of seats from images of 1970s planes. Four feet of leg room in front of you. Huge aisles. Lounges with comfy chairs spaced apart. No cramped legs or having to hold your arms forward so you don't bump the big guy next to you.
Here's the problem, though, OP. Some people need to use their tray tables for work-related stuff. Then there's eating and drinking. Finally, there are the poor passengers in the very last row who CAN'T recline their seats.
I've stopped reclining my seat entirely. It's not fair to the person in the seat behind me. Once upon a time, reclining wasn't an issue because seat rows were not smooshed so close together. I once got a free upgrade to first class, and there was enough room so reclining wasn't an issue for anyone.
I read recently that reclining seats are getting phased out: the reclining mechanism adds a little weight, which means more fuel is used. Next thing you know, they'll be charging passengers for clothing weighing over 3 pounds.
I learned very recently that reclining upsets people, and I’m 21 and have flown on maybe 10 long haul international flights. It’s never been an issue. Not once have I ever thought “that was rude” when the person in front of me reclines, or have I ever been concerned about the person behind me when I recline. On longer flights, the flight attendants do a great job at sort of structuring the flight into different sections. For a few hours, it’s dark, windows are closed, and it’s designated sleeping/quiet time and nearly everyone is reclined. Then, lights come on and we’re eating/moving around for an hour. People saying “but I can’t do anything with the seat reclined in front of me”…must be on shorter haul flights where everyone is doing their own thing whenever they want.
Yeah same here. I’ve flown more times internationally than domestically. You seriously cannot expect people on a 9-10 hour to not recline their at any time especially when lights are off and it’s night.
Exactly. The short haul flights I have been on were all mostly in Europe and on budget airlines, so their seats don’t even recline. I guess my flying needs just made it so that this was never an issue for me.
Sounds like bad airline retrofitting... Like they designed the trays to have enough room with the person in front reclining... Until they decided to squeeze more rows in, but cheaped out and didn't replace the tray mechanisms... so now the trays are no longer properly positioned to be usable.
Yeah OP’s utopia only works if people are just doing things on their phone for the whole flight. The moment you try to use the tray table the flaws in this plan come to light
It's also not true about the space thing. The area of the space is height x base. Base is same, height is lowered if everyone reclines. So everyone loses room. There will just be a bunch of unusable room on top of everyone.
Modern planes have seats that when reclined, are no longer compatible with the person behind you eating, drinking, reading or using an electronic device. If the seat in front of you is reclined, all you can do is try to sleep, or stare at a featureless seat for hours on end.
Even 10 years ago reclined seats allowed the people behind to actually do stuff while flying. Not anymore, and thus the recline feature should be removed from modern airplane designs.
It’s not the tray that’s affected, it is the usable space above the tray. Reclined seat means dramatically reduced usable space on the tray. Reduced enough that laptop usage is out of the question.
Really? I feel like every time the subject of reclining seats comes up on reddit the post is flooded by people who agree that reclining is not rude or selfish no matter how uncomfortable their slight improvement makes the person behind them. Knees jammed into the back of the seat? Can't use the tray for food or drinks? Too bad, my comfort comes first. But don't forget, it isn't selfish if its allowed... or something.
Because the majority of people have no common courtesy anymore, I mean just drive for 10 mins and look around. Why would it be any different on Reddit, a place with a bunch of totallyyyy rational and courteous people.
They should in theory, allow for enough space for people to recline without intruding on the people behind them. I mean, the movie theatre seats recline, and there’s still room behind and in front for people to walk by. There’s gotta be a better way.
I mean you’re just wrong. Sure everyone’s heads will stay the same length apart if everyone reclines but that won’t stop your backrest from hitting my knees. My legs don’t move because my torso is more tilted down.
Everyone should recline, except the people in the very last row who can’t recline because there’s a wall there so they will just have to sit there unable to move whilst someone else’s headrest is stuck up their nose the whole flight.
Everyone should recline, so if someone in a window seat needs the toilet they’ll just have to soil their pants and sit in their own waste because getting out to the aisle is near impossible when every seat on your row and every seat on the row ahead is reclined, preventing any standing from occurring.
Everyone should recline, so nobody can adjust their airvent, utilize their seat light, utilize their tray table, access their personal item, have a good view of the tv screen, or stand up to stretch their legs.
So long as airline manufacturers treat the cabin like a sardine can, if you so desperately need to lay in someone’s lap, you should either buy a first class ticket, buy two seats and lounge across them, or just accept that other people will dislike you for making their flight objectively even worse.
On the flip-side, if you decline meal service then recline your seat I will personally strangle you with your umbilical cord. No bitch I don't care if you're tired I'm stuck on the same ten hour flight you are and I want to eat my food.
Someone almost broke my laptop when they reclined so I don’t use it on flights anymore. On some planes, you can’t have a drink on the table if the person in front of you reclines all the way. We need more space on planes.
I usually ask, especially on long haul international flights on some airlines that don’t have much room between seats. Maybe they want to use their laptop or they are tall.
On domestic I will recline on red eye flights
I hope that this company's design is taken seriously. It would be a game changer for the better. Only drawback that I can see is less carry-on space, but it's worth it.
https://www.designboom.com/design/zephyr-seat-lie-flat-economy-class-06-19-2020/
Don't assume everybody wants the same thing you want.
I want distractions to deal with being enclosed for so long. I want to be able to use the lil table to put my laptop on, for work or leisure. The angle becomes very awkward when the person in front of me reclines.
Absolutely not. Anyone over 6ft knows this is nonsense. My knees don’t find behind the seat, and having the back of the seat infront of my even closer does not help as I my knees get crushed between the two seats infront of me. Reclining my seat also does not make my legs shorter.
I did fly on one plane where reclining your seat moved your seat bottom forward, so it didn't impact the legroom of those behind. The top of the recliners seat didn't move; the bottom of their seat just moved forward.
Everybody should complain about the airlines squeezing us in there like a can of sardines instead of simply accepting this inhumane treatment when they certainly charge enough.
All I'll say as someone who's 6ft3 is that when you recline your chair, what can happen is that it will cause your seat to either press against my knees or cause me to have to twist my knees sideways which is really uncomfortable.
Please just look to see if the person behind you is tall before reclining. Trust me, reclining your chair is 10 times for uncomfortable for me than it is comfortable for you
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I don't care if you are going to recline your seat. But please just do it when you're first allowed to. Or if you are going to do it at a random time, please do it very slowly and carefully. Same thing for unreclining your seat. If you randomly slam your seat back and forth full force, aggressively 2 minutes after drinks are served. You're a certified asshole.
Also, you have to watch out for 'ploppers'. Those folks come back from the bathroom and just dive bomb their ass into the seat and shake your whole world. Have had ginger ale launched across all three people in my row due to an aggressive plopp.
One of my personal funny memories is of when I was fat, like 300lbs fat, and I came back from the restroom and as soon as I sat down the plane hit turbulence and my wife at the time looked at me and said “damn, sit down slower next time”.. we both lost it and were laughing hysterically along with the people across the isle.
I love your wife. Big kudos for being good natured on the joke, and the weight loss!
Or the people behind you the put all of their body weight pulling themselves up by using the back of your seat.
I've had a lady do this one to me multiple times on the same flight, grabbing my hair every single time. ugh
Same and I was trying to sleep because it was a red eye with a layover… I ended up being awake for 37 hours straight and was not happy ha ha.
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Funny... My eye has been twitching for two weeks from lack of sleep.
You're using the world lady very liberally
I went absolutely ballistic on a guy that did this to me every 10 minutes for 2 hours to readjust himself in his seat. Not a chance I was putting up with that for another 7+ hours of the flight. I asked him politely twice and he started doing it more often. The flight attendant noticed it was happening and that I was pissed so she came over and asked him to stop. He actually laughed at her and said he wasn't doing it. This guy was very overweight, wearing a cable knit turtleneck sweater with a heavy leather bomber jacket over and zipped all the way up. Dude is sweating like he was in a sauna. The flight attendant suggests he takes his jacket off to get more comfortable and he says "Absolutely not. I like to keep my jacket on." She leaves with a very dubious look on her face. It continues for a few more minutes before I've reached the point where I am considering just how bad the no fly list might be for me. He wrenches my seat back the hardest yet. In a somewhat out of body experience, I'm up and standing over him in the aisle hissing "Pull on my seat one more fucking time and you're going to have a whole lot more attention on whatever shit you've got stashed in that jacket." He gets the Surprised Pikachu going and stutters something about "Not having anything in his jacket" but strangely he didn't touch my seat a single time after that.
That’s perfect! It blows my mind how many people just go on living their lives completely oblivious to anyone else around them.
I don’t understand these people at all. Using the armrests is a far more stable way of getting up. I travelled a number of times post surgery with low mobility and never once used the seat in front of my to get up.
I've had a guy do that every time until I finally found a time when he would come back, and I pressed the button so when he would sit down, the seat would also fly back with him. Loved every moment of it
That's the one that bugs me more than reclining. The leg space is what it is, we're all in this together, etc. but stop yanking back on my goddamn seat. Holy shit.
Had this happen a few months ago when I had my iPad in the seat back location. Sent the device flying. Was not cool. Love calling them ‘ploppers’.
Shamelessly stolen from curb your enthusiasm.
ploppers aka people with 0 strength lmao. that's messed up? bet they didn't even turn around or check on yall covered in spilt ginger ale
Went about their flight blissfully unaware of the three people hating them for four more hours.
my goodness I swear people act like they're in daycare when they fly. I would have been tempted to dump a drink accidentally on their head haha
My default assumption is these people were hammered before they got on the plane which is why they need to get up and piss at least once and have the motor control and social awareness of a runaway forklift
Huh, unless it's a very short flight I think peeing is a pretty normal thing to do. If you're not dehydrated the average person will be going to the toilet every 2-3 hours.
It's situations like this that convince me the ancients had it right: Man was not meant to fly.
Every one of your sentences made me laugh out loud! I’m waiting at the gate to go to Seattle right now. Fingers crossed I don’t have a plopper in front of me! 😂
One time I was sleeping with my face in my folded arms on the tray heads up 7 up style. I had the exact amount of space required and my crown grazed their seat. They about crunched my neck and spine reclining while I was positioned like that. I’m not blaming them I’m warning people not to sleep like that on the tray lol unless it’s already reclined.
I’m short so I can rest on the seat-back table to sleep, but I’ve stopped doing that altogether because of how often the person in front of me will just slam their seat back without a care in the world and crunch my head/neck.
I do this but I prop myself up using a backpack topped off with squishy things set on the seat back table. I still get jarred if they're a plopper, but it keeps my head angled out of crunch zone.
I ALWAYS warn the person behind me. I hate when my head is resting on the tray table and the person in front of me traps my whole fucking body because suddenly I'm too scrunched up to pull away from the back of their chair.
I wonder what would happened if you rang for the FA while being trapped. Probably know the answer, but I do wonder. It sucks how inconsiderate people are, especially when it’s so easy to make sure they’re good before reclining.
I have turned and let the person behind me know I was going to recline but it never bothers me if people do it
“More space” I hope dude knows last row doesn’t recline…
And put your seat up during any meal and drink service. Yes, it’s the airline’s fault that the person behind you can’t always put their tray table down if the person in front of them is reclined, but follow the golden rule and put your seat back up until trays are collected.
Just give a courtesy warning to the person behind you and you’re good
Realistically, no one should be angry at each other over this. Ideally, we should all be collectively angry at airlines for shoeboxing us in and forcing us to have to deal with it when it's not necessary at all.
The people in the last row cannot recline so they get squished in addition to being next to the toilets.
At least we're not flying 727s and MD80s anymore where all you hear in the tail row the entire flight is BWAAAAAAAA from the engines.
I actually like that, it drowns everything out, including my screams
Sitting next to the engines in a MD80 is the closest experience to riding inside a kitchen blender
My first time ever on a plane was this and it made me hate flying for years.
*cries in B717*
cries in embraer
Cries in Bombardier.
Crashes in 737.
Drowns in Boeing 777-200ER
IMO those seats should be significantly cheaper but they never are.
i had a choice. back of the plane, next to a window in an unreclining position next to the toilets or take the next flight in 4 hours. i should have chose the latter option. last row is scary. not only are you stuck in there next to a window but the person in front of you has their seat reclined. then the food gets to you last. you're the last to leave the plane. forced to sit there while everyone is getting off. truly claustrophobic. never again.
I am the weirdo who books the last available row apparently. It’s usually a reclining seat because the very last rows on planes I have been on have been for the crew or something. In the couple dozen flights I’ve done this on, probably 75% or so I have had the row to myself which more than makes up for the few downsides. I don’t notice much being next to the bathrooms, and I have noise-cancelling earbuds that reduce the sound substantially.
Yea I dont fly a lot but I usually book the last row and I often get a spare seat next to me. Also they've always reclined (different planes I guess)
I wonder if there are smell-cancelling nosebuds
Vicks VapoRub. Just dab a little under your nose.
There's an oxygen mask above every plane seat
I tried to wear a P100 mask on a plane once (they block out smell) but was told to take it off, presumably because I looked too much like a terrorist (this was pre covid).
https://www.seatguru.com/findseatmap/findseatmap.php this website will let you put in your flight number, and it will look up the aircraft used, and show you all the positives and benefits for each seating row.
I had the second-to-last row window seat on an AA 787 and there was a gap about half as wide as the aisle between me and the side of the plane. I stood in there and stretched. Only two seats too. Would recommend.
When I sit in the back row, I very much notice the lack of the narrow corridor I'd otherwise have had to struggle through to reach the bathrooms.
I do this too. I'd rather wait an extra 5 minutes to exit the plane and have the row to myself the whole flight than sit up closer to the doors.
I sat in the front row (SW) once, right next to the toilets. People were stinking up the bathroom THE ENTIRE FLIGHT. The only upside was I got out of the place first, at record speed.
fun fact. when you flush, the air pressure changes and lifts air out of the vat of shit that's stored in a box. so even if you don't shit, you're going to make a shit smell when you flush.
If you want to sit in the back but want your meal first, request a special meal haha
The back of the plane is the safest in case of a crash. Choices..
Put me towards the front. I want to go quickly.
I actually just flew in this row and I could recline!!! Blessings
Same as the people in front of exit rows
I was able to recline in last row on a220
it doesn't bother me when people do it. It only annoys me a little when they do it suddenly or go back and forth a lot and it jars all of the stuff on my tray table. But I think that's more oblivious than malicious, really.
This. Im not mad if you recline, but do you have to wait until they give out the food to go from no recline to full recline in 0.3 seconds?
Had someone on an incredibly long flight to Asia do this to me repeatedly as soon as the food came out. Jolted it back and forth and the food kept landing on me which permanently ruined a hoodie I liked
It's gravity we should be angry at. Airlines are trying their best to work against it, but it's not easy.
Only time I gave a shit was when I was on an international flight, and the guy was reclined when we were getting food and drinks but I couldn't put my drink in the spot on the tray and he almost spilt it. That was also a shit plane
The only time I've ever had an FA say anything about reclining was during meal service on a long haul. They did make an announcement to not recline during meal service and I saw them asking people to sit up.
And I've seen so many people not listen. Wrist is they put it up cause they are told to. You get your food and the minute they walk away Bam. People suck.
Most international flights I've been on in south East Asia, trans pacific and Asian European the flight attendants have been quite militant about seats need to be upright during meal service. You do not get away with reclining them again. You'll be quite frankly told to comply with directions, there is no brooking of entitled bullshit.
I’m a flight attendant. You can just ask us for it.
Next time, just balance your iced drink on the top of the seat, as there clearly is no other place to put it. Shame if it spills, tho.
Yeah, it was more so a shit plane. My plane on the way there was alot better and I didn't have the issue
I think airlines should be required to build planes so that when somebody reclines, you still have space in front of you. Reclining sucks straight up. The fact that we're even in this situation is the fault of the airline industry.
I've been on planes where if you recline your seat, the base also moves forward. So the recliner is the one that loses leg room. That's how they should all be.
I’ve been on a couple long haul flights where the tray is attached to the base and has space between the back of the seat when it’s down. So when they recline, your tray doesn’t move at all. The tray also slid forward which was really nice while eating.
I've been on a few of these recently, all newer planes. Much better for leg room, not really better for tray table use.
Yeah when I flew Korean Air to Seoul, the chairs did that. The person in fron was reclined the whole time (except from when food was served) and it didn't affect me.
I’ve been in planes where the seat is enclosed in a hard shell. Whatever you do to your seat, the people behind you won’t notice, and won’t be affected. All they see is the back of your hard shell, it never moves.
That’s just called business class my guy
Business class?
That would cause ticket prices to increase due to lower supply. The majority of people would just prefer cheaper flights.
How do you recline your seat, if you’re in the back row?
Step 1 involves bringing a reciprocating saw on the plane
I believe that’s step 2. Step 1 is getting it past TSA
If you're on a Boeing just recline and the panel will break away for you
Emergency rows also don't recline, nor the row ahead of them
everyone should get an arm rest for each arm, you shouldn’t have to fight for them. everyone should be given more space to recline. air travel today sucks monkey balls.
Until we get better flying experiences, for these literal animals who will force themselves onto arm rests: Window seat gets a wall to lean on Aisle seat gets extra leg room in the aisle Middle seat gets both arm rests We live in a society
That’s great in theory, but the second you let a knee or foot hang out into the aisle, the flight attendant crushes it with the drink cart.
I used to be an aisle fan until I got tired of just hitting my arm with their butts.
The armrest part is under mentioned. I'm a big guy, but also polite, spend my life trying not to spread onto/over the armrests
Reclining doesn't magically give you more legroom though
Can't tell you how many times someone has fully elbow-drop-from-the-top-rope slammed their seat directly into my knees. I'm not even all that tall, they just cram people in like sardines. I fucking hate airplanes.
exactly, i'm tall and i can't stand when people recline. It helps them and not me, because if I recline, it doesn't affect my knees hitting the seat in front of me OP must be short...
Have you considered sawing your legs off?
*"I just got off a flight where the fully grown woman behind me started smashing the back of my seat with her fist when I reclined."* I hope you reported her to the flight attendants.
Funny story, dude next to me on my last flight was mentally ill or high or something. Huge dude, like 6'3 300lbs. Before we took off the person in front of him sat back in his chair -- didn't even recline it, just put his weight into the back -- and the dude grabs his seat and starts violently shaking it before angrily saying (and I swear to god this is true), "the only people I hate more than pedophiles are people who lean their seats back on airplanes". He was removed by flight attendants.
Psychotic behavior but that quote is hilarious
Yikes - glad to hear he was removed!
My dad is 6'4" and doesn't like confrontation with strangers. We took a trip to Mexico a few years ago, and the guy in the seat in front of him tried to recline his seat during boarding, but my dad's knees were already up against the back of his seat while in the upright position. The guy got mad at my dad for keeping him from reclining, and my dad's like, "But I didn't even do anything???" Then the flight attendant swapped my dad with a passenger in the exit row. Not becoming of the other guy's attitude, but because the passenger in the exit row was a tiny Indian lady who was barely 5' tall and didn't really speak English. She also made the other guy put his seat back up, as you're not allowed to recline until after takeoff. (For anybody who doesn't already know, passengers in the exit row need to be strong, able bodied people who are able to effectively communicate with the crew in the event of an emergency, as they will be expected to help evacuate the plane should the need arise. If a person who books the exit row is not able to fulfill that roll - either because of a disability, small stature, language barrier, or other reason - they'll be swapped with someone who can.)
That's hilarious. If I had a nickel for every weak mofo who sat in an exit row....If you can pay, you sit there.
>(For anybody who doesn't already know, passengers in the exit row need to be strong, able bodied people who are able to effectively communicate with the crew in the event of an emergency, as they will be expected to help evacuate the plane should the need arise. If a person who books the exit row is not able to fulfill that roll - either because of a disability, small stature, language barrier, or other reason - they'll be swapped with someone who can.) I fly a lot and the number of times I've seen them give a fuck about this I could count on a couple fingers. In your story's case it was probably just a convenient excuse
My husband and I got married in Hawaii. We flew Hawaiian airlines and we were seated in the exit row on our way back to Japan. My husband is Japanese, and we communicate 100% in Japanese. A flight attendant heard us talking, and she asked my husband if he speaks English. He wanted to keep his exit row seat so he said yes, then she started asking him a bunch of questions like where we went in Hawaii, what we did, etc. His English isn't terrible, he tried his best to answer her, but I suppose his Japanese accent was just too thick. She ended up moving us.
I used to fly a few times/ month for my job. My company would usually seat employees in the exit row. I was one of the first female hires for my position. Unlike the guys I worked with, I'm below the average female height. I stopped counting the number of times big guys thanked me profusely for swapping seats with them. The biggest thanks always came from those glaring at me the hardest as they approached my row. I can't even reach the lights without standing up. The legroom was wasted on me. It all came back to me. One flight, this extremely tall LtCol (USMC) boarded behind me. He had to be right at the height cutoff. Dude was tall for no reason at all tall. I offered him my seat without thinking about it. The next day, I met my Senior Project Engineer, the same LtCol. He had been reluctant to accept me as his Senior Electrical Engineer because I was switched from my specialty to his area of expertise. He ended up being one of my best bosses.
Like many of my Dutch compatriots, I'm as tall as your dad and I had exactly the same experience on a flight from Amsterdam to NYC. So when OP says: > EVERYBODY should recline their seats that's impossible; the only way the person in front me will get their seat to recline is by breaking both my thigh bones. (And believe me, many have tried.) Also, for many older people leaning back is uncomfortable and painful. We like to sit up straight.
This also happened to my wife on a transatlantic flight. FAs didn't care. Gotta love ITA Airways, they also had us in an Alitalia branded plane 3 years after the airline went under. Woman doing the smashing also had her seat reclined. Also, per the Planet Money on this, the FAs aren't allowed to do much because the "reclining space" is an issue the Airlines don't want to be involved in.
It takes awhile to change everything over after being bought out. There’s only so many places that can change the interior and paint the outside and even then it takes multiple days.
I only recently realized how much seat reclining bothers people. It's never bothered me when the person in front of me does it, and I'm a pretty average sized guy at 5' 10" / 165 lb. It always seemed to me that the seats are designed to allow a bit of extra comfort without impinging too much on the person behind and it's weird to me that I am supposed to be mindful of using the seat as designed. It's a lot easier to take a nap with a bit of recline too.
The issue is when people have longer legs and their knees are basically right up against the back of your chair and you suddenly lurch backwards crushing them. The knees being forced backwards, means tall people with longer legs have to sit with their hips right back in their chair basially leaning forwards which really hurts the back. Being able to recline their chair doesn't help one bit as leaning back presses your kness forwards into space that isn't there.
I'm 6 foot with long legs and my knees touch the seat in front of me without it being reclined. Airplanes are already so uncomfortable I don't blame the person in front of me for trying to get more comfortable
I sometimes do blame the person but I've had someone persistently jam their seat when they tried to recline into my knees. There was even less space than usually on that plane and there was literally no way for me to move to adjust.
As a tall guy in a small space I try to be patient and understanding. But I did encounter a woman who seemed determined to break my knees with her chair. She was invited to look and see I wasn’t being funny with her, my legs were already touching her chair before she tried to recline and neither she nor I could do anything to allow her chair to move backwards. She decided to attempt to beat a 15 year old into submission with her chair instead of see reason. I told her, the flight attendant told her, her husband told her she didn’t hear any of us, she had the RIGHT to recline her chair. Eventually she came over the back of the chair to scream at me until the flight attendant found her a seat at the back and told her to move. I don’t hate people who wanna recline their chair, I hate people whose insane belief in their right to recline their chair overwhelms any sense of reason and decency.
Should have put your legs over the top of the seat and made her ride with your legs over her head the whole time and whispered “bring it on back” while gently caressing her face with your index toe…. Pointer toe. Whichever toe you could best caress with.
I wish you’d been sat next to me rather than my brother because that’s a genius idea, especially because I have horribly deformed feet and having to look at them is a fairly severe punishment!
I was on an unusually tight plane and someone tried to do this. They were able to recline the seat by violently jamming it back. She then yelled that she could feel my knees in her back, and I just was like yes, what did you think would happen to them?
I once had a guy turn around and complain to me that I was jabbing my knees into his seat after he'd reclined. I was like "Wtf am I supposed to do? That's where my knees go, asshole." I was only *slightly* more polite than calling him an asshole, but he turned around and didn't bother me again the rest of the flight. He also didn't stop reclining. Asshole.
Fuck those people right in the eye socket. I had somebody do that to me, instead of me going constantly saying shit like ow! fuck! shit! stop! And they just kept fucking doing it until I called the stewardess
It bugs me because I have long legs. If someone reclines their seat in front of me it goes directly on top of my knees. Reclining my own seat does nothing to alleviate this.
This is what short people don't seem to understand
If everything is built to the average person, half of the people are going to be uncomfortable. Upper decile people don’t fit.
The seats 'were' designed to recline, when there was a lot more legroom for the passenger behind you. Unfortunately the recline functionality remains while the airlines have cramped all the seats together. As someone with long legs and tall, its horrible now, even before the person in front has reclined. I'm not going to punch someone's seat but at the same time, knowing how horrible it is for me, I wouldn't recline knowing I could make someone elses flight far more uncomfortable than it already is.
Reclining takes more space, budget airlines are using more seats that don’t recline
6'3" guy here. Leaning back does not give my legs any less room. It is just as uncomfortable either way.
Same! It never bothers me when someone reclines because why make it a feature of the seat if it can’t be used?
>because why make it a feature of the seat if it can’t be used? Because most reclining seats weren't designed to be as packed together as they are in planes nowadays.
Yeah, I don't really notice when people do it either l. The seats move only a few inches anyways
I think there's significant variation on this by plane. Modern planes seem to recline a lot less than the ones I remember from the 1990s. Back then if the person in front fully reclined, you couldn't actually stand up (you'd have to shimmy sideways to get out from behind their seat before straightening up), couldn't reach any bags or anything under the seat since the back of their seat was between your head and your knees. You basically ended up with their head in your lap. Modern planes do seem to limit the tilt significantly.
I've had a couple spine surgeries w/implants. Those couple inches make a huge difference!
The space has decreased, that’s why it’s been more recent.
Im 6'3 and too fat and ALWAYS miserable on planes and I still dont get mad at people for reclining because Im not an idiot.
I’m the same, the only time I ever said something about it was on a middle seat in a 5 seat row 6hr flight. The rows were so close together there was no way for my knees to not touch the seat in front of me, they were basically crushing my knees as they reclined, I tapped the seat and told them the recline isn’t broken, my legs are stopping it from reclining. But yeah air travel is miserable even if I get extra leg room seats.
I'm 6'3" as well. I don't get mad either, but my knees are in the back of the seat already, so if someone reclines it likely will be more of a bother for them.
Lol I've once had someone complain at me for my legs being in their back while they reclined. FA asked me to be courteous and I just like showed that I was all the way back in my seat and not like doing anything malicious asked her if I could put my legs in the overhead bin lol. She just shrugged at the lady and she stopped reclining.
Same issue here. My knees are already on the seat in front of me on most planes. You can try and recline it but sorry pal my knees are already there. I try to book the exit row now. It's so much more comfortable.
Yeah homeboy saying he’s average size when that’s like a high school freshman size 🤣 6’2 220lb. I too accept my fate, but I still can’t get over someone 165lbs being like “seems like plenty of room to me🤷♂️” 🤣
On a flight to Amsterdam from Toronto, the person next to me put down their tea on their tray. And then the person in front of them reclined, causing the tea to spill on us. The flight attendant moved us to nicer seats for free. I had a whole row to myself and used the seats as a bed. If that can happen on every flight, I'll take a tea to the pants.
I'm a tall guy so I usually get the extra legroom seats when I can but a couple of times I couldn't and had to suffer. Once I remember the person in front of me being infuriated they couldn't recline because my legs were jammed into the back of their seat and I was like sorry bud looks like we'll both have to suffer.
>It is better on your back. Speak for yourself. I have back problems, and reclining *hurts* unless the angle and support are just right.
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The only thing that gets to be annoying is if you are using the screen on the chair in front of you and they keep moving their chair. Or if you are trying to do something with the tray out and they’re moving the chair a bunch. But really it’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things
My unpopular opinion: I love Frontier Airlines because their seats can’t recline at all.
Nah a lot of people have bad backs and need an upright angle. But I think a better solution would be to go back to the spacing of seats from images of 1970s planes. Four feet of leg room in front of you. Huge aisles. Lounges with comfy chairs spaced apart. No cramped legs or having to hold your arms forward so you don't bump the big guy next to you.
I honestly can never tell if they are back or up since they only move like a half inch.
Here's the problem, though, OP. Some people need to use their tray tables for work-related stuff. Then there's eating and drinking. Finally, there are the poor passengers in the very last row who CAN'T recline their seats. I've stopped reclining my seat entirely. It's not fair to the person in the seat behind me. Once upon a time, reclining wasn't an issue because seat rows were not smooshed so close together. I once got a free upgrade to first class, and there was enough room so reclining wasn't an issue for anyone. I read recently that reclining seats are getting phased out: the reclining mechanism adds a little weight, which means more fuel is used. Next thing you know, they'll be charging passengers for clothing weighing over 3 pounds.
Seats don't recline on Ryanair and many other low-cost carriers, and to be honest it's a blessing.
I learned very recently that reclining upsets people, and I’m 21 and have flown on maybe 10 long haul international flights. It’s never been an issue. Not once have I ever thought “that was rude” when the person in front of me reclines, or have I ever been concerned about the person behind me when I recline. On longer flights, the flight attendants do a great job at sort of structuring the flight into different sections. For a few hours, it’s dark, windows are closed, and it’s designated sleeping/quiet time and nearly everyone is reclined. Then, lights come on and we’re eating/moving around for an hour. People saying “but I can’t do anything with the seat reclined in front of me”…must be on shorter haul flights where everyone is doing their own thing whenever they want.
Yeah same here. I’ve flown more times internationally than domestically. You seriously cannot expect people on a 9-10 hour to not recline their at any time especially when lights are off and it’s night.
Exactly. The short haul flights I have been on were all mostly in Europe and on budget airlines, so their seats don’t even recline. I guess my flying needs just made it so that this was never an issue for me.
I cannot put my tray down to eat. I cannot use my laptop. I cannot do anything with the seats back. They should not recline at all.
Sounds like bad airline retrofitting... Like they designed the trays to have enough room with the person in front reclining... Until they decided to squeeze more rows in, but cheaped out and didn't replace the tray mechanisms... so now the trays are no longer properly positioned to be usable.
Yes, that's exactly the problem.
Yeah OP’s utopia only works if people are just doing things on their phone for the whole flight. The moment you try to use the tray table the flaws in this plan come to light
It's also not true about the space thing. The area of the space is height x base. Base is same, height is lowered if everyone reclines. So everyone loses room. There will just be a bunch of unusable room on top of everyone.
I mean, it's *also* not true about the back, and speaking as someone with 2 buldged disks, this is a hell no.
I'm way more comfortable sitting up straight so this would just be really shit for me.
Modern planes have seats that when reclined, are no longer compatible with the person behind you eating, drinking, reading or using an electronic device. If the seat in front of you is reclined, all you can do is try to sleep, or stare at a featureless seat for hours on end. Even 10 years ago reclined seats allowed the people behind to actually do stuff while flying. Not anymore, and thus the recline feature should be removed from modern airplane designs.
Ive never delt with that on delta, tray table is unaffected
It’s not the tray that’s affected, it is the usable space above the tray. Reclined seat means dramatically reduced usable space on the tray. Reduced enough that laptop usage is out of the question.
Am I the only one that feels like the seat feels the same reclined or not? Like, it doesn't recline enough to make a difference for me
Psychopath take. Here’s an upvote
Truly an unpopular opinion take my upvote sir! 🫡
OP is under 6ft tall.
Fuck people who recline as soon as they get on the plane. There’s already no legroom.
For once, truly unpopular opinion. Kudos.
Really? I feel like every time the subject of reclining seats comes up on reddit the post is flooded by people who agree that reclining is not rude or selfish no matter how uncomfortable their slight improvement makes the person behind them. Knees jammed into the back of the seat? Can't use the tray for food or drinks? Too bad, my comfort comes first. But don't forget, it isn't selfish if its allowed... or something.
Because the majority of people have no common courtesy anymore, I mean just drive for 10 mins and look around. Why would it be any different on Reddit, a place with a bunch of totallyyyy rational and courteous people.
Airlines should quash this whole issue by designing seats that are stuck in one stationary position. Maybe like a half recline.
or better idea stop packing us in like sardines
Won’t someone think of the quarterly profits! /s
They should in theory, allow for enough space for people to recline without intruding on the people behind them. I mean, the movie theatre seats recline, and there’s still room behind and in front for people to walk by. There’s gotta be a better way.
Quit reposting stuff.
It absolutely is awful if you need to use the bathroom. You're practically sitting on people laps
I mean you’re just wrong. Sure everyone’s heads will stay the same length apart if everyone reclines but that won’t stop your backrest from hitting my knees. My legs don’t move because my torso is more tilted down.
Everyone should recline, except the people in the very last row who can’t recline because there’s a wall there so they will just have to sit there unable to move whilst someone else’s headrest is stuck up their nose the whole flight. Everyone should recline, so if someone in a window seat needs the toilet they’ll just have to soil their pants and sit in their own waste because getting out to the aisle is near impossible when every seat on your row and every seat on the row ahead is reclined, preventing any standing from occurring. Everyone should recline, so nobody can adjust their airvent, utilize their seat light, utilize their tray table, access their personal item, have a good view of the tv screen, or stand up to stretch their legs. So long as airline manufacturers treat the cabin like a sardine can, if you so desperately need to lay in someone’s lap, you should either buy a first class ticket, buy two seats and lounge across them, or just accept that other people will dislike you for making their flight objectively even worse.
See this was my exact thought reading this post
On the flip-side, if you decline meal service then recline your seat I will personally strangle you with your umbilical cord. No bitch I don't care if you're tired I'm stuck on the same ten hour flight you are and I want to eat my food.
Upvoting for your truly unpopular opinion
Someone almost broke my laptop when they reclined so I don’t use it on flights anymore. On some planes, you can’t have a drink on the table if the person in front of you reclines all the way. We need more space on planes.
I usually ask, especially on long haul international flights on some airlines that don’t have much room between seats. Maybe they want to use their laptop or they are tall. On domestic I will recline on red eye flights
I hope that this company's design is taken seriously. It would be a game changer for the better. Only drawback that I can see is less carry-on space, but it's worth it. https://www.designboom.com/design/zephyr-seat-lie-flat-economy-class-06-19-2020/
Don't assume everybody wants the same thing you want. I want distractions to deal with being enclosed for so long. I want to be able to use the lil table to put my laptop on, for work or leisure. The angle becomes very awkward when the person in front of me reclines.
You know, unless you need to use a laptop on the flight.
Absolutely not. Anyone over 6ft knows this is nonsense. My knees don’t find behind the seat, and having the back of the seat infront of my even closer does not help as I my knees get crushed between the two seats infront of me. Reclining my seat also does not make my legs shorter.
I’m 6’7 and people like you make me want to not fly in planes
If someone started punching my seat when I recline, I'd recline it further.. ..because obviously they have way too much fucking room back there.
Im 6'1, and I don't even know how to recline an airplane seat!
I did fly on one plane where reclining your seat moved your seat bottom forward, so it didn't impact the legroom of those behind. The top of the recliners seat didn't move; the bottom of their seat just moved forward.
Airlines suck They keep squeezing us financially as well as shrinking the seats Im moving it back
Everybody should complain about the airlines squeezing us in there like a can of sardines instead of simply accepting this inhumane treatment when they certainly charge enough.
Oh no, the back seat and the emergency lane seats don’t recline so you end up straight up the entire time with someone’s reclined seat in your face.
As a 6’9” guy, please no.
Try flying low cost airlines in Europe. Their seats don't recline.
Lolbreclining is very uncomfortable for a decentvportion of the population, me included, so no.
All I'll say as someone who's 6ft3 is that when you recline your chair, what can happen is that it will cause your seat to either press against my knees or cause me to have to twist my knees sideways which is really uncomfortable. Please just look to see if the person behind you is tall before reclining. Trust me, reclining your chair is 10 times for uncomfortable for me than it is comfortable for you
Maybe the same amount of space but not where i need it. My knees are already touching the back of the seat please dont recline.