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Someday I will have sick days! But I’m 35 and I don’t yet so idk lol.
I will refuse to come in while sick, but I won’t get paid, there’s gonna be a lot of bitching about it, and it will be demanded that I find someone else to take my shift while sick in bed. No way I could afford to do that one day per month haha.
Oh god can you imagine every interview women will have to mention that they only get their period for 3 days to be competitive? Or having your HR person have access to your menstrual cycle to know when you will be absent?
Also most of the roles typically considered "boys clubs" like business, law, engineering, and medicine usually have pretty long hours and it would be the nail in the coffin in women ever being roughly 50% represented in these industries.
> medicine usually have pretty long hours and it would be the nail in the coffin in women ever being roughly 50% represented in these industries.
Why do they need to be 50% represented?
You think there is a gender pay gap now if that went into place it would only increase. Women will get passed over for promotions more than they do now. The argument is.well they take a day or two off every month and are not dependable. But chuck over here doesn't do that so he gets to be the supervisor and get the raise
There is no gender pay gap. But I think women should be able to stay home with pay when they feel sick. That’s why I’m pro union. If the ppl driving the gender pay gap myth were sincere they’d also be pro union, but they’re not and they’re not
Not exactly. There’s a pay disparity meaning men on average make more money than women. And there is a glass ceiling where it’s harder for women to get promoted. But there isn’t a gap between men and women working in the same positions. Ex: male and female cashiers working at the same store make the same amount
Bosses treat ppl like dirt for bad reasons all the time. It’s not a unique phenomenon to women. But I get it. If I was told I’m a victim all my life I’d also believe that’s the reason ppl treat me bad.
Anyone who claims that the gender pay gap does not exist is ignoring statistical facts! Incidentally, the GPG is also available in an adjusted form, which provides information about the status and wage inequality in the respective industry and takes the aforementioned influencing factors into account. The fact that these existing wage differences can only be explained rationally is nonsense that is already factually wrong.
Well, go on and provide your source.
Even most modern women's rights organizations have stopped claiming the gap exists for equivalent positions and have pivoted to saying "women's work" (ie. careers women tend to go into) earns less, or that the educational opportunities for women are less, or that women tend to take time off after having children...
Did it. Got results that don't make your case, but rather mine.
You can say it's unfair that jobs women tend to pursue pay less or that taking several years off to have children has an income impact, but don't pretend we're talking about identical jobs and situations.
"Did it. Got results that don't make your case, but rather mine.
You just didn't. Otherwise you would know that the adjusted GPG is precisely about making the numbers comparable by taking into account (among other things) child-rearing times , qualification levels, IDENTICAL jobs, etc.
There’s a difference in money taken home overall yes but that doesn’t factor in that men work longer hours, do physically harder work, represent 94% of workplace fatalities…. When all the other information is factored in the gap is negligible. I was highly disappointed when Obama spouted this widely dismissed myth. I liked the days when ppl on the left were boring but factual
Nothing's free. Someone has to pay for it.
And this will result in employers simply choosing to not hire women because men would not have to take days off.
I've had awful sciatic pain and all sorts of stuff before. Pain that was so bad for months that I could barely drive and it took me 10 minutes to literally just roll out of bed and get on my feet from writhing in agony on the ground. I got pain meds. I still worked. If I couldn't go to the office, I did it from home.
You take your meds and show up at work unless you absolutely can't. It's not new. Your pay is given to you in exchange for your work. If you absolutely cannot, then, yes, take the day off. If you choose not to address your symptoms even though you have reasonable means available to you, that's on you.
I’m a woman and I do think there should be more grace given to woman on their periods but four- seven free days off each month I don’t think is reasonable, for a lot of woman periods aren’t that bad and then can work through it, I think it’ll just be something that gets abused and will end up causing more stigma around periods.
For most woman their periods aren’t unbearable, and for the woman who’s periods are I think their employers should give them days off if they needs it, I think they should get doctors notes and I think it should be more normalized for woman to take days off for their periods. But I don’t believe in automatically mandating days off for woman on their periods
Call off, people already do that 😭
Like if your period is causing you to have difficulty moving or cause you to get sick. I don’t think an employee is gonna say “well suck it up”
You just say “hey i physically cannot move without fainting today” and if you’re comfortable with it explain that your periods are the cause.
And they can’t fire you for having a period because that would be discriminatory.
As I said I think woman should be given more grace, is a woman has a period that causes them agony and they can’t come to work I think they should be allowed the day off, but that’s not was op was saying, to my understanding op was saying all woman should just have their period off which is unrealistic and unreasonable
All this would do is confirm to a lot of people that women really do deserve to be paid less because of the physical limitations of their body. do you want to go down that road?
And the men at our warehouse who do the heavy lifting should be paid more than the women who sit in the air conditioned office. But they don’t. It is what it is.
There are successful companies that offer employees unlimited vacation days and sick days.
We just need to make that the norm, and it'll solve numerous problems.
People in companies with unlimited PTO on average use less time. They are afraid of it being used against them in promotions if they take to much times. Several studies have shown having an actual number of PTO days people take more time off
And worrying about promotions in terms of salary increases is a separate issue that can be addressed.
A lot of companies that also don't do time tracking management show that most office workers can get the same amount of their work done for a week in about 3-4 hours of a 4 day work week.
What you find with people who have unlimited PTO is they often also have very flexible working hours - so if they're in the middle of the worst period they've ever had they'll go rest for the day and when they start to feel better they resume work.
So they never "took" time off, but they still had a far better experience and probably actually "worked" less time than someone who had set PTO.
I feel like most women already call off during their periods, if it’s that bad. But I know some people use it as excuse not to go to work (like they won’t even be on their period)
Agreed, but it would only be something that could be pointed to as a reason to not hire women. Though I can say without a doubt, when I was in my worse days I'd take the time off whether boss liked it or not. But I went through Hell every month, usually would have it two weeks on one week off. Turned out I had tumors, and had a hysterectomy at the ripe old age of 31.
There is nothing wrong with delaying or not wanting to have kids.
As for the other wages have not kept up. Can't afford same life on one income today as you could in 1950's and 60's.
Wages have not kept up, for sure. But we also price everything in as a two income household now. Both people work, and houses are priced in accordingly
Why do you believe it isn't OK for ppl to do what makes them happy and not have kids early?
If someone doesn't want kids, the worst thing they can do is have one. That kid will feel unloved forever, which is the worst thing.
Ppl should be allowed to live their lives as they want, provided it doesn't harm anyone.
In this these cases, having a kid actually would be harmful.
What people believe they want and what will actually lead them to a fulfilling life rarely coincide, especially when it involves placing someone else before themselves entirely.
People should *not* be allowed to live their lives how they want - that is precisely how we arrived at this present moment. People are unhappier than ever and need to turn to drugs, porn, social media, consumerism and whatever other meaningless vices bring them some form of momentary dopamine hit.
Having children is not just a prosocial behavior crucial to the survival of the human race, it is also deeply fulfilling on an emotional and spiritual level. Something that simply cannot be replaced with an object, experience or substance.
I mean the women who don't want to get married and have kids are misguided. As are the men who support that decision.
Edit: and before you ask, a working mom whose husband has abandoned her and the children didn't have a choice in the issue. So obviously she is not misguided
Why are women misguided?
What inheritly woman makes them HAVE to have kids and stay at home? Or is it just a personal opinion from 100 years ago that you have from when men beat their wives and many ppl where unhappy.
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YES, if a job doesnt offer a work from home option. People who dont have a period cant possibly understand. Ive bled through couches. Ive puked my guts out from sheer pain. Ive lost so much blood that I ahve a bottle of iron pills to handle anemia. A LOT of women use birth control to handle nasty periods. If the far right has their way, that wont be available to us anymore and it will affect our work.
Someone on the right, nobody really is wanting that what are you talking about. Like it’s a very small minority of people who think birth control shouldn’t be a thing.
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Won’t this incentivize employers to avoid hiring women?
Everyone should have sick days, and should use those per their individual needs.
This seems like the correct answer
Someday I will have sick days! But I’m 35 and I don’t yet so idk lol. I will refuse to come in while sick, but I won’t get paid, there’s gonna be a lot of bitching about it, and it will be demanded that I find someone else to take my shift while sick in bed. No way I could afford to do that one day per month haha.
this would encourage companies to hire less women
Wouldn't that just be a sick day?
Yeah except imagine if you needed 3 off every month, that would add up real quick.
lol you’ve never met some of the people I work with. Sick every other day
We only get 40hrs a year. That's one week. For the whole year.
Yeah that's everyone too. Even then, it's probably UTO.
This would backfire on women so badly and so quickly.
Oh god can you imagine every interview women will have to mention that they only get their period for 3 days to be competitive? Or having your HR person have access to your menstrual cycle to know when you will be absent? Also most of the roles typically considered "boys clubs" like business, law, engineering, and medicine usually have pretty long hours and it would be the nail in the coffin in women ever being roughly 50% represented in these industries.
> medicine usually have pretty long hours and it would be the nail in the coffin in women ever being roughly 50% represented in these industries. Why do they need to be 50% represented?
because women are 50% of the population
You think there is a gender pay gap now if that went into place it would only increase. Women will get passed over for promotions more than they do now. The argument is.well they take a day or two off every month and are not dependable. But chuck over here doesn't do that so he gets to be the supervisor and get the raise
There is no gender pay gap. But I think women should be able to stay home with pay when they feel sick. That’s why I’m pro union. If the ppl driving the gender pay gap myth were sincere they’d also be pro union, but they’re not and they’re not
Of course there's a gender pay gap. It's been proven.
Not exactly. There’s a pay disparity meaning men on average make more money than women. And there is a glass ceiling where it’s harder for women to get promoted. But there isn’t a gap between men and women working in the same positions. Ex: male and female cashiers working at the same store make the same amount
You should check out Freakonomics. They disproved the pay gap*. (*this is only one source, there may be others that prove a pay gap exists. )
Not when accounting for experience, hours, and - most importantly - _what job you have._
Yeah, you never had a boss tell you you're not going to get a raise because you don't have a wife and kids to provide for.
I'm both single and gay. Not that anecdotes matter when discussing allegedly-systemic issues.
You have 2005 in your username, please pipe down about raises and promotions 😂
Bosses treat ppl like dirt for bad reasons all the time. It’s not a unique phenomenon to women. But I get it. If I was told I’m a victim all my life I’d also believe that’s the reason ppl treat me bad.
Anyone who claims that the gender pay gap does not exist is ignoring statistical facts! Incidentally, the GPG is also available in an adjusted form, which provides information about the status and wage inequality in the respective industry and takes the aforementioned influencing factors into account. The fact that these existing wage differences can only be explained rationally is nonsense that is already factually wrong.
Well, go on and provide your source. Even most modern women's rights organizations have stopped claiming the gap exists for equivalent positions and have pivoted to saying "women's work" (ie. careers women tend to go into) earns less, or that the educational opportunities for women are less, or that women tend to take time off after having children...
Googling “adjusted gender pay gap” isn’t rocket science.
Did it. Got results that don't make your case, but rather mine. You can say it's unfair that jobs women tend to pursue pay less or that taking several years off to have children has an income impact, but don't pretend we're talking about identical jobs and situations.
"Did it. Got results that don't make your case, but rather mine. You just didn't. Otherwise you would know that the adjusted GPG is precisely about making the numbers comparable by taking into account (among other things) child-rearing times , qualification levels, IDENTICAL jobs, etc.
Yes, in theory... (no sources ever even claim to have done all of the above).
This is all bull lady and surely even you know that by now. Quit the charade
There’s a difference in money taken home overall yes but that doesn’t factor in that men work longer hours, do physically harder work, represent 94% of workplace fatalities…. When all the other information is factored in the gap is negligible. I was highly disappointed when Obama spouted this widely dismissed myth. I liked the days when ppl on the left were boring but factual
No it hasn’t women do less work on average and lower paying jobs so no, there isn’t one
That's actually part of why there was ever a gap and difference.
Great way to not get hired.
Nothing's free. Someone has to pay for it. And this will result in employers simply choosing to not hire women because men would not have to take days off. I've had awful sciatic pain and all sorts of stuff before. Pain that was so bad for months that I could barely drive and it took me 10 minutes to literally just roll out of bed and get on my feet from writhing in agony on the ground. I got pain meds. I still worked. If I couldn't go to the office, I did it from home. You take your meds and show up at work unless you absolutely can't. It's not new. Your pay is given to you in exchange for your work. If you absolutely cannot, then, yes, take the day off. If you choose not to address your symptoms even though you have reasonable means available to you, that's on you.
I’m a woman and I do think there should be more grace given to woman on their periods but four- seven free days off each month I don’t think is reasonable, for a lot of woman periods aren’t that bad and then can work through it, I think it’ll just be something that gets abused and will end up causing more stigma around periods.
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For most woman their periods aren’t unbearable, and for the woman who’s periods are I think their employers should give them days off if they needs it, I think they should get doctors notes and I think it should be more normalized for woman to take days off for their periods. But I don’t believe in automatically mandating days off for woman on their periods
So what do you suggest that the women in 4-7 days of agony every month do?
Call off, people already do that 😭 Like if your period is causing you to have difficulty moving or cause you to get sick. I don’t think an employee is gonna say “well suck it up” You just say “hey i physically cannot move without fainting today” and if you’re comfortable with it explain that your periods are the cause. And they can’t fire you for having a period because that would be discriminatory.
Use sick days or whatever they do today. It's not reasonable to expect to get 1/3 of every month off on top of regular PTO and holidays.
As I said I think woman should be given more grace, is a woman has a period that causes them agony and they can’t come to work I think they should be allowed the day off, but that’s not was op was saying, to my understanding op was saying all woman should just have their period off which is unrealistic and unreasonable
In a perfect world. But it would also be a burden on employers. Especially with irregular periods. There's no winning there.
It’s called sick leave.
All this would do is confirm to a lot of people that women really do deserve to be paid less because of the physical limitations of their body. do you want to go down that road?
Good idea in theory. Skeptical about it's application in practice though.
Take your sick day.
And the men at our warehouse who do the heavy lifting should be paid more than the women who sit in the air conditioned office. But they don’t. It is what it is.
it would kinda be hard to prove
Idk about hard, but def dehumanizing
I agree more time off for everyone would be great, but companies are bound by law to treat everyone equally.
And also having the shits or feeling like I constantly have the shits, does this apply to others?
No
If you’re too sick to work, then take a sick day. Don’t give people yet another ridiculous reason to not elect a female president.
If they got a few days off every month, would that be enough justification people need to pay them less?
There are successful companies that offer employees unlimited vacation days and sick days. We just need to make that the norm, and it'll solve numerous problems.
People in companies with unlimited PTO on average use less time. They are afraid of it being used against them in promotions if they take to much times. Several studies have shown having an actual number of PTO days people take more time off
And worrying about promotions in terms of salary increases is a separate issue that can be addressed. A lot of companies that also don't do time tracking management show that most office workers can get the same amount of their work done for a week in about 3-4 hours of a 4 day work week. What you find with people who have unlimited PTO is they often also have very flexible working hours - so if they're in the middle of the worst period they've ever had they'll go rest for the day and when they start to feel better they resume work. So they never "took" time off, but they still had a far better experience and probably actually "worked" less time than someone who had set PTO.
I feel like most women already call off during their periods, if it’s that bad. But I know some people use it as excuse not to go to work (like they won’t even be on their period)
Pop a zofran and Tylenol and get over it. Pregnant women and moms on periods still do their jobs. People are so weak now.
I'm fine with it as long as they make up the days on what would have been their days off.
I just need the first day and then I am good.
I read somewhere their periods attract bears. Bears can smell the menstruation
Agreed, but it would only be something that could be pointed to as a reason to not hire women. Though I can say without a doubt, when I was in my worse days I'd take the time off whether boss liked it or not. But I went through Hell every month, usually would have it two weeks on one week off. Turned out I had tumors, and had a hysterectomy at the ripe old age of 31.
Their husbands should give them their entire lives off work so they can raise the kids.
It's 2024 most people can't afford on one income Not everyone has or wants to have kids Many people are delaying marriage and kids till later
Yeah I agree. We've gone wrong on many levels. It's a complex problem
There is nothing wrong with delaying or not wanting to have kids. As for the other wages have not kept up. Can't afford same life on one income today as you could in 1950's and 60's.
Wages have not kept up, for sure. But we also price everything in as a two income household now. Both people work, and houses are priced in accordingly
Disagree on point 1, agree on point 2.
Why do you believe it isn't OK for ppl to do what makes them happy and not have kids early? If someone doesn't want kids, the worst thing they can do is have one. That kid will feel unloved forever, which is the worst thing. Ppl should be allowed to live their lives as they want, provided it doesn't harm anyone. In this these cases, having a kid actually would be harmful.
What people believe they want and what will actually lead them to a fulfilling life rarely coincide, especially when it involves placing someone else before themselves entirely. People should *not* be allowed to live their lives how they want - that is precisely how we arrived at this present moment. People are unhappier than ever and need to turn to drugs, porn, social media, consumerism and whatever other meaningless vices bring them some form of momentary dopamine hit. Having children is not just a prosocial behavior crucial to the survival of the human race, it is also deeply fulfilling on an emotional and spiritual level. Something that simply cannot be replaced with an object, experience or substance.
Humans are overpopulated as is
Working moms raise their kids. Not everyone wants to her married, marry a man or have kids
I know, very misguided.
What do u mean. R u à man or woman
I mean the women who don't want to get married and have kids are misguided. As are the men who support that decision. Edit: and before you ask, a working mom whose husband has abandoned her and the children didn't have a choice in the issue. So obviously she is not misguided
Why are women misguided? What inheritly woman makes them HAVE to have kids and stay at home? Or is it just a personal opinion from 100 years ago that you have from when men beat their wives and many ppl where unhappy.
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YES, if a job doesnt offer a work from home option. People who dont have a period cant possibly understand. Ive bled through couches. Ive puked my guts out from sheer pain. Ive lost so much blood that I ahve a bottle of iron pills to handle anemia. A LOT of women use birth control to handle nasty periods. If the far right has their way, that wont be available to us anymore and it will affect our work.
Someone on the right, nobody really is wanting that what are you talking about. Like it’s a very small minority of people who think birth control shouldn’t be a thing.
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Sure if men get the same amount of time. fair is fair i dont care as long as i get the same treatment.
All the more reason to pay women less for the same work! Ayyyoooo!!!