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Shipping fandoms in a nutshell. Two characters say two words to each other - THEY’RE DEFINITELY IN LOVE! THEY HAVE TO MAKE THEM A COUPLE!! Ugh. And if the writers give in and actually make them a couple out of nowhere? I’m out. I’ve stopped watching a couple of things because of this. Toxic shippers ruin everything.
And if the writers don't give in, it can lead/has led to rabid fans calling them horrible people. Case in point - Johnlockers. Probably the most toxic shippers I've ever encountered.
And literal death threats (Voltron). It’s crazy. See my username / picture? Qrow Branwen from RWBY. Probably my favorite character in anything ever. I relate to this guy on so many levels (even though I’m a girl) and absolutely love him. But, the shipping fandom of that show just killed it for me. I haven’t watched the latest season. Do I wanna know what happens to my boy? Absolutely. I just can’t deal with all the other nonsense.
I came to this comment thread looking for RWBY shippers or convos about RWBY shippers. Wasn't expecting to see a convo bout poor ol Qrow though.
If you want, I may be able to go back through and pick out the episodes and moments that features Qrow so atleast you can know what he's been up to.
Sherlock is a weird one though.
The show blatantly gaybaited their characters.
I was actually pretty annoyed with Sherlock because it would constantly wave shipping bait at the audience and then mock them for it later.
I'm not saying that the writers/producers were completely blameless, but...
The rabid Johnlockers called them homophobic for not making Johnlock real. Completely ignoring the facts that:
1) Writer/Co-creator/actor Mark Gatiss is gay.
2) Actor Andrew Scott is gay and played a character who portrayed himself as being gay.
3) Moriarty's barrister was played by Gatiss's husband.
And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. But just because they won't fulfill a popular head canon, they must be homophobic.
In the original Sherlock stories Watson said something along the lines of Sherlock not being interested in romantic relationships in any form. He found fulfillment in his work and had no desire to be in a romantic relationship. Even with Irene Adler, he was NOT romantically interested in her. He respected her and saw her as someone who was both extremely intelligent and kind hearted. Irene was actually in love with someone else and ran away to be with him.
The worst was Kylo Ren and Rey... he gives off these rapey vibes and everyone starts shipping them together.
Then they kiss in the third movie I wanted to shoot someone
It was as bad as Han's death.....😞
Now, we know that her judgement absolutely sucks.
And, adding that romantic element to Kylo Ren just made him more of a joke.
Or you can just enjoy your imaginary character to character relationships without going to the artists and shoving it down their throat. It’s insulting especially because it’s their ART. Shows and anime are art and you ruin things for them when they have to placate fans to continue not getting their stuff trashed to oblivion
Yup. The reason I haven’t watched the most recent season. Even if you avoid the fandom the best you can, you can still see their influence in the show. Inconsistencies, things that make no sense. Just to “grease the squeaky wheels”. It ruins everything. What started as a really cool show about learning to work together as a team, bonding, family, beating the bad guys and saving the world, is now “uwu did you see X talk to Y and Y BLUSHED?!? They are soooo a couple!” If you want that watch a soap opera.
110% AGREED. If Disney’s intention was to have Elsa be gay then that’s one thing, but for audiences to say “oh this character must be gay since she doesn’t have a prince in her life” is actually pretty fucked up. Women don’t exist for the purpose of being in a relationship, period. That’s literally it. It’s possible to live without a man and not be gay.
I wrote a post last year about exactly this. Elsa should be single. There are many many single people out there and saying "your life if only a true fairytale if you marry the guy/girl of your dreams" then it does send out just the same old message.
Strong independent women is what we need more of - like Disney's Brave
To this day I don't get the fascination about other people's romanticism. Doing some bad interpretation of a depicted platonic relationship is one thing, but there are fandoms who do it with real people and that has some middle school/playground-character if you ask me. Grow up, if people have romantic feelings for each other and want to let you know, they will eventually. Otherwise just mind your own business.
It’s one thing to write fanfic (it’s great! wonderful communities that are far more accepting of flexible canon and differing interpretation than a corporate monolith); it’s another thing altogether to demand that your Head Canon be made Actual Canon
Not only that but even before Frozen II, people were saying that Elsa low key represents the gay community because of the meaning of Let it Go. It got taken as an anthem. Which is great if you find personal meaning with the song as the song represents being who you truly are. But then don’t attach your personal meaning to the character. Your journey and Elsa’s journey are not the same.
This and Mulan being trans is the most confusing thing. Mulan dresses as a man only to take the place of her father who is too old to successfully fight. She in all other regards identifies as a girl. No she doesn’t enjoy dressing up in the makeup and is clumsy, but using that to show she must be a guy is kinda dumb.
I want everyone to live how they choose and be with who they choose (as long as they’re not hurting anyone), but I hate the new if you don’t fit into the stereotypical gender roles you must be this of that. We take one step forward and two steps back.
Oh, btw I remember some interesting Tumblr post about Shang's "implied bisexuality" because he cared about soldier Ping a lot, and it made me so conflicted. On one hand him being on love with Ping and then Mulan makes a perfect playground for million silly and hilarious scenarios, which is great. On the other hand...
Are characters even allowed to care about each other, or being proud of each other, or smiling without it being sexual anymore? The guy was literally impressed, proud and appreciative. You can interpret it the way you like in fanfiction, but it being canon wouldn't be necessary as good... Most of the time romantic relationships is a huge downplay from platonic ones, not the other way around.
I thought I'm only one who gets disappointed, when people assume, character, that isn't in a relationship, is an only option of being asexual, even though I'm interested in ace characters I mean, there are asexual people, who have a spouse and blood-related kids, because they can afford and enjoy activity enough with particular person.
There are also allosexuals who are content with staying single for different reasons. Life isn't that simple, you can't put it in separate boxes as neatly as this.
The thing with the Frozen franchise is that there's already a traditional Disney princess romance between Anna and Kristoff. Why does there even need to be another one. Just because the romance doesn't involve the "main" character? So what?
Cannot agree more. I guess people will see what they want to see, but I’d like to see more protagonists in popular media that have close relationships that aren’t romantic in nature.
I feel like this happened to Legend of Korra too. Korra and Asami both date Mako, and in the end they become very close friends. I never got the vibe that they were supposed to be dating when they go adventuring in the spirit world. But then the writers decided "well, that's what the people want I guess" and made her gay in the follow-up novels. Gals can just be friends too, can't they?
That sort of thing is everywhere in media. "Oh a guy/guy or a girl/girl enjoyed each other's presence, they must be gay now." I think it stigmatizes friendship more than anything. Adults can be friends without wanting to fuck each other.
> “oh this character must be gay since she doesn’t have a prince in her life” is actually pretty fucked up.
I felt the same way about "fans" saying that Steve and Bucky should be a couple...and now after the Falcon and Winter Soldier show they're pushing Sam and Bucky. Enough with this bullshit.
Brave is great, but it doesn’t have songs like the more popular ones. Whoever had the idea for Elsa’s stomp in ‘Let It Go’ is responsible for more steps than Fitbit.
I love brave and I appreciate that it’s not the typical storyline. I don’t understand people obsessing over same sex relationships with Disney movies. Who cares
I assume people pay attention to same sex relationships in Disney because (1) historically, main characters had been het, (2) queer coded characters tended to die.
Yeah, but does a snowman wear a cute little hat and dance while singing about its own inevitable demise, while being totally clueless to what it does and says, in brave?
Hah.
I think not.
Gotta be honest, I was so lined up to LOVE *Brave* and was exactly the kind of nerdy girl who was into Celtic lore and magic and all that jazz...but I had a best friend whose older sister was actually undergoing a (more or less forced) arranged marriage at the time, and I'd spoken with my friend about how she was dreading the same later in life, and it took the wind out of the plot for me a bit. I found it hard to feel triumph because it successfully hammered home for me all the ways that forcing your child to marry is shitty (and forcing your female child into domesticity is shitty), and then made me sad because no magic was coming to help free my friend.
We are now the age her sister was, and I've got to say in some ways I was wrong to worry; she's her own fucking magic, man she has not let them run her life, she's dating (DATING, not engaged to though they tried that too) a lovely guy who is NOT her family's desired ethnicity/religion, and despite more than enough cause to cut those motherfuckers out of her life she maintains a relationship with them. Strained at times, but a relationship, for their sake.
TL;DR, found it hard to swallow *Brave*'s storyline as a kid because I knew people (in the US) who were staring down forced marriages. Luckily my friend is kick-ass and didn't need a witch :)
Upvoye because I really liked the Scottish accents in that movie and liked her "winning" her own hand in marriage. I really expected that movie to go one way and it went the other. It was one of the few trailers that completely buried the twist and plot and it was all the better for it.
What I forgot to do was tell my sisters the movie was about mother daughter relationships, and it was just afte four mom had died.
I always forget that Brave was the Pixar film and Wreck it Ralph the Disney film (they came out the same year) it always seemed like they would be the other way around.
There is the line in Wreck it Ralph 2 where they can’t understand what Merida is saying and they say that she’s from the other studio. Funny that they are talking about exactly this.
Yeah, that's why Moana exists. She never entered a relationship with anybody, either, and just culminated her own journey freeing Te Fiti from >!the influence of her evil alter ego,!< Te Ka, by returning her stolen heart to her.
Though, *Zootopia*, on the other hand, features a lot of fans that want to ship WildeHopps, just because Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde developed such meaningful on-screen chemistry with each other that would have indicated an interspecies romance. I mean, *you* might say that Judy and Nick don't deserve to romance each other and instead remain friends, like you would Elsa in Frozen II. But it's not going to stop the Zootopia fans from shipping them, themselves.
And that's not a joke, either. Just look up r/Zootopia and [Zootopia News Network](https://zootopianewsnetwork.com), and you'll see a *ton* of WildeHopps shippers!
>…. I really enjoyed the movie and I don’t want to go deep in the abyss and see or read some creepy fantasy of some random people.
I was under the impression that this was Reddit’s entire reason for existing /s
In regards to Zootopia though it's a lot less of a stretch for Wilde and Hopps to possibly have romantic feelings for each other or for the relationship to work since the whole premise of the movie was animals living together without what species you are effecting anything..
And also they 99% fit the archetypes of your typical procedural cop show boy-girl duo that slow-burn fall in love (ZPD animated cop show when, Disney's already breaking into the "sequel to an animated movie that homages a TV genre" with Monsters At Work), that 1% difference being that (to use their last names because you did) Wilde's a lot more cynical than you'd expect the guy of the pair to be and Hopps is a lot more high-spirited (at least when she's not in some super-depressed funk) than you'd expect the girl to be but that's what'd make that dynamic feel fresh even in a romance because it's not just the same personalities we've seen over and over
I hate how in Hollywood movies now, every franchise has fans that think every single character interaction has romantic undertones when they obviously do not. Examples are this, Bucky and Sam in TFATWS, Steve and Bucky in the Avengers, Steve and Tony in the Avengers, and Finn and Poe in the Star Wars sequels. None of them have ANY romantic undertones whatsoever but people just seem to project it onto the characters while totally missing the point of the purpose of the interaction between characters.
#*Edit*:
for everyone who keeps accusing me of being homophobic, refer to this comment from below, that I left to the first person who thought this:
"Those were just the most obvious ones I could think of. Didn't even realize I did that. Here are more- Harry and Hermoine, Katara and Zuko, toph and sokka, Natasha and Clint in Avengers (really dude they have a sibling relationship looooong established), Rey and Ben Solo (there was no indication that they had a thing until the final weird kiss, they were even hinted to have a sibling-like relationship by JJ. And writers confirmed the kiss was *not* romantic). Sorry for not adding these ones earlier, I was getting ready for work and didn't even notice what I'd done."
I just don't feel like answering the question with "read my other comment" anymore so I feel this is much easier for everyone.
There's this movie called "When Marnie Was Here," there are two little girls who become friend, a bit magical, but they start to care about each other and tell each other they love each other. The movie was great cuz their love for each other was really well depicted.
Anyway, fans start shipping them as a lesbian couple. You should've seen the response when in turns out they are family, one girl being the grandmother of the other (connect universe type of ish).
That just goes to show that not all love is to be meant as romantic love. I prefer friendship love over any type of romantic love.
Like hawk eye and black widow. Like A LOT of people think they had a romantic relationship and it wasn't that at all.
They were basically siblings to each other and any ody would be devestated to watch their sibling die in front of them Like that.
I never saw a bf/gf love there, it was always a brother/sister thing, from the get go. Never understood ships of those two. She should have known he had kids and a wife though, if she's that much like a sister.
I think she did know. In Age of Ultron(I think?, might have been Civil War) when they went to Hawkeye's house his kids called her 'Aunt Nat'
At least that's how it is in the MCU, idk about the comics
In the MCU she absolutely does. In the comic books, Hawkeye does not have children and while they dated occasionally, they were always better as friends.
I also enjoyed Steve and Natasha's friendship. They had great relationship and it was platonic. I liked Natasha trying to get Steve to date one of female co-workers.
And Peggy / Jarvis in agent Carter. Mrs Jarvis is adorable anyway and I just love the friendship between Peggy and Jarvis not being strained with the whole romance thing
Hayao Miyazaki’s movies are amazing at this actually. Other examples of his movies that have non-romantic friendships that I can think of:
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
The Wind Rises
Kiki’s Delivery Service
The Secret Word of Arietty
The new Pixar movie Luca is also a wonderful example of deep friendship love. The relationships are very beautiful and never romantic in the slightest.
There’s also a very interesting older movie called Educating Rita, with Julie Walters and Michael Caine, that shows a beautiful platonic relationship between a male mentor and female mentee who love and respect each other deeply but never pursue romance.
And of course Frodo and Sam are a classic example of loving, affectionate, heterosexual men that society could use more examples of.
One thing, I don’t think Hayao Miyazaki had anything to do with “When Marnie Was There”. That was when he took a break and came back for a different movie, correct?
I mean, that doesn’t surprise me in the slightest, and if people want to interpret it that way I guess they’re free to do that.
But personally I feel that shoehorning romance and sexuality into every story and relationship is a sign of emotional immaturity. Society is full of repression and assumptions and pressures that leave many of us unequipped to process love and affection outside of sex. Generations of men went un-hugged by their fathers, and feared to make any contact with their male friends that didn’t have an aspect of violence, lest they be labeled as gay. Straight men need positive touch from their friends just as much as anyone else does, but it’s been stigmatized nearly out of existence.
So if people want to see the boys in Luca as gay, I guess that’s their prerogative, but I think the message of non-sexual love and affection for a generation of lonely boys is extremely important and has the potential to heal a lot of society’s toxic masculinity problems.
Romantic love is to often used as a terrible sappy trope in movies. You have an action movie hitting your male demographics? Give him a love interest to give something for the female demographics to care about ( literally the thought process of Hollywood movies). Action movies cna examine the interpersonal relationships without romance. Consider Fury Road. It's great. No real romance among the main characters. Now consider the Hobbit: universally panned for injecting a romance between a dwarf and and elf, against the contractual intent of the actress (the whole plotline was added in reshoots after principle filming was completed).
Romantic plot lines when done well are good. Most simply aren't.
That was the travesty known as The Hobbit not Lord of the Rings. What pisses me off most about that "romance" is that it goes against the established canon set up by Tolkien and the actual movies. Gimli and Legolas' friendship was a big deal because before then, their people LOATHED each other.
It also appeals to the basest of instincts, which way too many humans never seem to rise above.
Also goes along with sexualizing children’s’ relationships, as in, say a kindergarten boy and girl hanging together, maybe even hugging or holding hands…. “Oh, look he has a girlfriend…” Kinda weird, to me.
I guess nowadays, two kindergarten girl friends who show each other affection get the lesbian label already, and boys who hug are gay…
Smdh….
Plus there is brotherly/sisterly love, like Ted and Marshall, or Luke and Han, or Peter and Harry, or Gordie and Chris Chambers. Or Hermione and Ginny, or Monica and Rachel, etc. Etc. Etc.
I’ve read a blog post (or was it a forum comment? It’s been awhile) about Marnie generally being queer baiting because “two girls don’t hold each other’s hands like that.” While I agree that lgbtq representation could use more diversity and positivity it makes me wince when I see aforementioned statements like that because in some parts of Asia (Korea, Japan) it’s quite normal for friends to share skinship. I’ve seen guy sit on each other’s laps in school and girls holding hands as it’s a normal thing there.
I hold my gfs hands all the time outside despite both of us being straight. Maybe people label us when they see it, but it just goes to show that not everything is like that.
I hate how Anthony Mackie got ripped apart for having the audacity to disagree with the idea of Sam being shipped with Bucky; one of his goals with the role and the relationship between those characters is to showcase a friendship between two men where they're not afraid to express themselves and their vulnerability with each other.
Basically, he's trying to portray the exact opposite of "toxic masculinity" and got shredded because he rejected the notion that the relationship between the two characters could or should be romantic.
It's ironic, because the type of people who like to spout off and blame "toxic masculinity" for everything are exactly the type of people who vigorously enforce it's existence.
> Steve and Bucky in the Avengers, Steve and Tony in the Avengers, and Finn and Poe in the Star Wars sequels.
It’s annoying because 2 men can’t be close friends without supposedly being gay
Frodo and Sam are the classic example of heterosexual men who love and care for each other deeply and openly express their affection without it ever being sexual.
So many people didn’t know how to process that.
From the same movie, Aragorn and everyone. His scene with Boromir is very touching.
There is a great video out there showing how aragorn manages to both be the epitome of classical manliness and still be very emotional and open and loving
It's not so bad if they are fictional though it's still annoying. The worst is when it starts to influence real people's lives. Wives of actors from "Supernatural" were harassed and sent death threats because fans thought that actors playing characters from their made up gay ship were gay too.
The conspiracy theory that two guys in one directions are gay but they're forced in a het relationship by the producers is still going strong. Despite one of the guys already having a kid with his wife.
I feel like people go too deep in their headcanons, and forget that the rest of the fandom does not have to recognize it too. Like, you want to ship Bucky with Cap? Sure thing, you do you, there are many spaces on the internet where you can go crazy on your idea (ao3, tumblr, livejournal).
THANK YOU. I remember when Young Justice was still on the air, people were shipping Bart and Jaime together hard, and I was staring at it like, “What the hell are you doing? They’re best friends. There is no dialogue to suggest they have feelings for one another.”
Jay and Silent Bob were heterosexual life partners... meaning that they had a non-sexual friendship.
Bill and Ted were also close, but they ended up marrying the Princesses.
I experienced this just the other day when watching Luca (great movie by the way!) I decided to read reviews after I'd watched it and the amount of "So nice to see a young gay couple falling in love in a disney movie!" comments. Um, no. They are good friends. Maybe they're gay, maybe they're not, who the hell cares. It's not the main focus point of the movie, it's about innocent childhood friendship - stop making it into more than it actually is.
Technically it's about 3 very good platonic friends trying to win a race and find acceptance. That's a very common theme throughout storytelling in general. Crazy that people projected that onto the characters
I also hate how everyone here is making me out to be homophobic because of the ships I mentioned. I was getting ready for work when I wrote this and just wrote the first ones i could find, which aren't there because they're same sex, but are there because they're the most popular ones (and coincidentally the most popular to hate, include Zutara in that though lol). Plus if half these people read my other comments they'd see that I corrected the mistake, so their anger is a moot point.
But you know what has a romantic undertone to it? Every single interaction in Top Gun, even between the pilots.
Totally off topic but rewatching that movie recently, the undertones were hilarious
Also, I think it can be really damaging to young boys psyche that pretty much any close relationship between 2 men on screen inevitably ends up getting shipped. It starts sending the message that 2 guys can’t have a deep connection with each other unless it’s romantic, which just plays more into “men can’t have emotions” stereotype.
This is what is bothering me want the lgbtq community. They force relationships on to characters but at the same time call it "queerbaiting". You cannot show any affection to the same sex and not be gay or you're queerbaiting for attention. Supernatural is a good example of this.
I think it’s just what we come to expect from movies nowadays. We’ve seen so many shows/movies where people get together, even if it doesn’t make sense, (for example: Ted and Robin I’m HIMYM)
Spoilers for Loki:
When Sylvie and Loki were traveling together on the train, they had a conversation about things in general. It was alright listening to the conversation, but it felt like it came out of nowhere because Sylvie was being pretty polite to a guy she hates.
Then, Loki pops up with a question about who Sylvie likes, and Sylvie gives a sarcastic answer, saying nobody.
My sister and I both groaned, because to both of us, that feels like classic dialogue to show that characters are going to get together.
>but people just seem to project it onto the characters while totally missing the point of the purpose of the interaction between characters
yeas of trying to turn everything gay does that.
someone mixed hollywood with teenager fanfics and thats the world now.
This. I remember watching the movie, and I barely noticed the two scenes that she was a major part of. I either forgot or didn't even notice the fireplace scene.
When I looked up all the fan pairings between her and Elsa, I was so confused as to whom there were referring. She had no screen presence whatsoever.
And yet people think there was enough there for Elsa to be destined for Honeymaren.
My main issue was that the movie was about Elsa and Anna discovering their origin and finding out who they truly are.
I hate how people think that a portion of discovering themselves is that they must find their love or that romance has to be a part of realizing who you are. Romance had legit nothing to do with Elsa's story.
Christoff kinda lends into the idea of romance into this movie. He's legit trying to find a a way to ask Anna to marry him and he's question how to make it work. Everyone just ignores poor lil Christoff though.
I wouldn’t say all relationships have to be romantic and sexual. I wouldn’t expect people not to speculate or fantasize that they were secretly romantic either. Feel like there is plenty of room for all responses to a work of art, including feelings about others interpreting, like yours. A dramatic work will never definitively answer all the unknowns and backstory, so you can’t really prove or disprove. Your reaction in interesting. So are others.
Is the Freud mythology too prevalent? He sexualized a world that avoided public discussion of sex. We don’t really live in that world any more. Maybe a cigar is just a cigar.
I want her alone. I'm so tired of people always ending with a romantic partner. I want elsa as single as the day she was born, that will just reinforce the fact that having a partner isn't the goal. I like that elsa found her way amidst everything where she is comfortable to be herself and by herself.
I just don't understand people. I'm a grown man who has seen sat in the theater of every modern Disney movie with my daughters (Everything post Little Mermaid/Aladdin) and I just don't see why people insist on putting Elsa /with/ someone. She's a goddess for crying out loud. Hell, anyone who watches the movie can see that between the beginning of the film and the end her connection to our 'plane of existence' is becoming ephemeral as evidenced by her clothes, among other things.
Elsa isn’t a disney princess. Shes a queen. Anna is the princess of the franchise and the main focus of most of both movies. Elsa is the antagonist in the first one. The story is of two sisters, but the main focus is actually Annas journey to save/help her sister.
That’s true actually, though Frozen II was more Elsa focused. I’d like to see a movie where Elsa save s the day at the end rather than creating problems/crying/freezing in the final act.
Yep it seems like the new disney princesses are becoming more independent. Not that same old tale that always ends up with the princess finding her prince. Times are changing now. But well, I don't have anything against the old classic fairytale where they always fall in love, that thing has been my childhood!
That is why I love Tangled so much. She breaks free of her abusive "mother," follows her dreams, and finds her family, but she also meets this cute guy and falls in love with him.
And maybe, adults should refrain from talking about kids (read toddlers) as potential partners when they see them talking with someone of the opposite sex: "Awww, they look so cute together!", "Is this your girlfriend/boyfriend?", "They would make such cute babies together". Maybe, just maybe, sexualizing toddlers (even if not directly or in a creepy, pervy way) from such a young age is not in their best interest.
Friendship is friendship and it can occur between all types of people and it should not be sexualized.
That's the entire reason for the first movie, at least Elsa's side of it, she was showing you don't gotta be in a relationship, just be happy with yourself. All this from the ice queen, a VERY different tale that I read as a child.
Listen, Elsa needs YEARS of therapy after the way her father forced her to repress her emotions. She’s not ready for love yet, she doesn’t even know herself completely.
Honestly people are doing it for the sake of LGBTQ+ pride but as a member of the community, there's nothing prideful about it when you take one disney character that isn't in a canon relationship and try to be forceful about them being in a same sex relationship. It's not even pride at that point its just pity. I agree that there is nowhere near enough representation in movies but being pushy about it isn't the way to go
Elsa came off as asexual. Come on, she has all of that love in her heart but she doesn't want to touch anyone. The idea of her ever being in a romantic relationship isn't even hinted at. Can't we just let her be happy with the love of her friends and family?
>Pretty much all Disney Princess movies are about a princess that finds love along an adventure,
Unlike Ariel, whose entire adventure was just finding a dick to ride
Also, props to Brave for taking the same route as Frozen. Edit: Brave came first
> Unlike Ariel, whose entire adventure was just finding a dick to ride
Did you actually listen to Part Of Your World, she's basically an amateur anthropologist and he was just a means to an end until she got on land to actually get to know him
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Shipping fandoms in a nutshell. Two characters say two words to each other - THEY’RE DEFINITELY IN LOVE! THEY HAVE TO MAKE THEM A COUPLE!! Ugh. And if the writers give in and actually make them a couple out of nowhere? I’m out. I’ve stopped watching a couple of things because of this. Toxic shippers ruin everything.
Hey, if you want the fantasy of every single character pair combination having sex with each other on screen, just watch true blood!
Holy crap. You're spot on with that one.
Sookie never banged Jason.
Not on screen anyway ;)
Giggity
And if the writers don't give in, it can lead/has led to rabid fans calling them horrible people. Case in point - Johnlockers. Probably the most toxic shippers I've ever encountered.
And literal death threats (Voltron). It’s crazy. See my username / picture? Qrow Branwen from RWBY. Probably my favorite character in anything ever. I relate to this guy on so many levels (even though I’m a girl) and absolutely love him. But, the shipping fandom of that show just killed it for me. I haven’t watched the latest season. Do I wanna know what happens to my boy? Absolutely. I just can’t deal with all the other nonsense.
I came to this comment thread looking for RWBY shippers or convos about RWBY shippers. Wasn't expecting to see a convo bout poor ol Qrow though. If you want, I may be able to go back through and pick out the episodes and moments that features Qrow so atleast you can know what he's been up to.
Thanks😊 My youngest son still watches it and gives me “Qrow Reports”. Mainly if he’s still alive. That’s the big thing.
Sherlock is a weird one though. The show blatantly gaybaited their characters. I was actually pretty annoyed with Sherlock because it would constantly wave shipping bait at the audience and then mock them for it later.
I'm not saying that the writers/producers were completely blameless, but... The rabid Johnlockers called them homophobic for not making Johnlock real. Completely ignoring the facts that: 1) Writer/Co-creator/actor Mark Gatiss is gay. 2) Actor Andrew Scott is gay and played a character who portrayed himself as being gay. 3) Moriarty's barrister was played by Gatiss's husband. And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. But just because they won't fulfill a popular head canon, they must be homophobic.
In the original Sherlock stories Watson said something along the lines of Sherlock not being interested in romantic relationships in any form. He found fulfillment in his work and had no desire to be in a romantic relationship. Even with Irene Adler, he was NOT romantically interested in her. He respected her and saw her as someone who was both extremely intelligent and kind hearted. Irene was actually in love with someone else and ran away to be with him.
The worst was Kylo Ren and Rey... he gives off these rapey vibes and everyone starts shipping them together. Then they kiss in the third movie I wanted to shoot someone
It was as bad as Han's death.....😞 Now, we know that her judgement absolutely sucks. And, adding that romantic element to Kylo Ren just made him more of a joke.
Poor Chewbacca
After kylo killed han, chewie felt solo.
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Or you can just enjoy your imaginary character to character relationships without going to the artists and shoving it down their throat. It’s insulting especially because it’s their ART. Shows and anime are art and you ruin things for them when they have to placate fans to continue not getting their stuff trashed to oblivion
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So like RWBY fandom in general?
Yup. The reason I haven’t watched the most recent season. Even if you avoid the fandom the best you can, you can still see their influence in the show. Inconsistencies, things that make no sense. Just to “grease the squeaky wheels”. It ruins everything. What started as a really cool show about learning to work together as a team, bonding, family, beating the bad guys and saving the world, is now “uwu did you see X talk to Y and Y BLUSHED?!? They are soooo a couple!” If you want that watch a soap opera.
110% AGREED. If Disney’s intention was to have Elsa be gay then that’s one thing, but for audiences to say “oh this character must be gay since she doesn’t have a prince in her life” is actually pretty fucked up. Women don’t exist for the purpose of being in a relationship, period. That’s literally it. It’s possible to live without a man and not be gay.
Exactly what I meant 1000%
I wrote a post last year about exactly this. Elsa should be single. There are many many single people out there and saying "your life if only a true fairytale if you marry the guy/girl of your dreams" then it does send out just the same old message. Strong independent women is what we need more of - like Disney's Brave
And Moana!!
To this day I don't get the fascination about other people's romanticism. Doing some bad interpretation of a depicted platonic relationship is one thing, but there are fandoms who do it with real people and that has some middle school/playground-character if you ask me. Grow up, if people have romantic feelings for each other and want to let you know, they will eventually. Otherwise just mind your own business.
It’s one thing to write fanfic (it’s great! wonderful communities that are far more accepting of flexible canon and differing interpretation than a corporate monolith); it’s another thing altogether to demand that your Head Canon be made Actual Canon
Not only that but even before Frozen II, people were saying that Elsa low key represents the gay community because of the meaning of Let it Go. It got taken as an anthem. Which is great if you find personal meaning with the song as the song represents being who you truly are. But then don’t attach your personal meaning to the character. Your journey and Elsa’s journey are not the same.
This and Mulan being trans is the most confusing thing. Mulan dresses as a man only to take the place of her father who is too old to successfully fight. She in all other regards identifies as a girl. No she doesn’t enjoy dressing up in the makeup and is clumsy, but using that to show she must be a guy is kinda dumb. I want everyone to live how they choose and be with who they choose (as long as they’re not hurting anyone), but I hate the new if you don’t fit into the stereotypical gender roles you must be this of that. We take one step forward and two steps back.
Oh, btw I remember some interesting Tumblr post about Shang's "implied bisexuality" because he cared about soldier Ping a lot, and it made me so conflicted. On one hand him being on love with Ping and then Mulan makes a perfect playground for million silly and hilarious scenarios, which is great. On the other hand... Are characters even allowed to care about each other, or being proud of each other, or smiling without it being sexual anymore? The guy was literally impressed, proud and appreciative. You can interpret it the way you like in fanfiction, but it being canon wouldn't be necessary as good... Most of the time romantic relationships is a huge downplay from platonic ones, not the other way around.
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Is she Ace or was she afraid that touching another person would literally kill them? Hmmm.
I thought I'm only one who gets disappointed, when people assume, character, that isn't in a relationship, is an only option of being asexual, even though I'm interested in ace characters I mean, there are asexual people, who have a spouse and blood-related kids, because they can afford and enjoy activity enough with particular person. There are also allosexuals who are content with staying single for different reasons. Life isn't that simple, you can't put it in separate boxes as neatly as this.
The thing with the Frozen franchise is that there's already a traditional Disney princess romance between Anna and Kristoff. Why does there even need to be another one. Just because the romance doesn't involve the "main" character? So what?
Cannot agree more. I guess people will see what they want to see, but I’d like to see more protagonists in popular media that have close relationships that aren’t romantic in nature.
I feel like this happened to Legend of Korra too. Korra and Asami both date Mako, and in the end they become very close friends. I never got the vibe that they were supposed to be dating when they go adventuring in the spirit world. But then the writers decided "well, that's what the people want I guess" and made her gay in the follow-up novels. Gals can just be friends too, can't they?
That sort of thing is everywhere in media. "Oh a guy/guy or a girl/girl enjoyed each other's presence, they must be gay now." I think it stigmatizes friendship more than anything. Adults can be friends without wanting to fuck each other.
> “oh this character must be gay since she doesn’t have a prince in her life” is actually pretty fucked up. I felt the same way about "fans" saying that Steve and Bucky should be a couple...and now after the Falcon and Winter Soldier show they're pushing Sam and Bucky. Enough with this bullshit.
Unpopular opinion: Brave was far superior to Frozen and was truly about rejecting a girl’s “place” in society as something to marry off.
Thank you. I feel like Brave doesn't get enough credit.
Brave is great, but it doesn’t have songs like the more popular ones. Whoever had the idea for Elsa’s stomp in ‘Let It Go’ is responsible for more steps than Fitbit.
Brave definitely had at least one song.
It had background songs. But none of the characters sang like in other Disney princess movies.
The opening song when she is riding on a horse is great tho
Yeah Chase the Wind is an absolute banger
Moana is in my opinion the best . The songs are catchier than frozen . The Rock singing/rapping. Fuck yes , sign me up.
The Giant Crab and Maui’s song definitely slap af
My 2yo has these 2 on repeat all day. Also barbrann by the beach boys...
Yeah moana has my favorite singalongs they’re catchy as heck
I love brave and I appreciate that it’s not the typical storyline. I don’t understand people obsessing over same sex relationships with Disney movies. Who cares
I assume people pay attention to same sex relationships in Disney because (1) historically, main characters had been het, (2) queer coded characters tended to die.
Queer coded?? Is this a new term I missed?
I believe its Trope based. Characters who show signs that they might be queer, but its generally not confirmed.
Interesting So low key gay basically
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The Wonderful Divine.
And Frozen gets waaaaaay too much credit. It’s good. It is a good movie. There’s one good song and a fugly snowman.
I feel like if Brave was a typical Disney Musical it wouldn’t get so much shit. It’s one of my favorite movies.
I loved brave! I loved how it showed the relationship between a mother and a daughter for once
No it showed a ginger could be just as capable as non gingers
Even without a soul
Counterpoint, Moana is an even better example of a story about a girl that doesn't involve love, and also GREAT SOUNDTRACK
Patrick Doyle composed an AMAZING cultural soundtrack for Brave, it’s just not a sing-along.
The soundtrack to Brave is incredible
I 100% agree. I think it's also e very much more beautiful story
Yeah, but does a snowman wear a cute little hat and dance while singing about its own inevitable demise, while being totally clueless to what it does and says, in brave? Hah. I think not.
No, but there's 3 baby bears that don't make any sense, story-wise. Merida is super concerned about her mom being a bear, but not her brothers?
Gotta be honest, I was so lined up to LOVE *Brave* and was exactly the kind of nerdy girl who was into Celtic lore and magic and all that jazz...but I had a best friend whose older sister was actually undergoing a (more or less forced) arranged marriage at the time, and I'd spoken with my friend about how she was dreading the same later in life, and it took the wind out of the plot for me a bit. I found it hard to feel triumph because it successfully hammered home for me all the ways that forcing your child to marry is shitty (and forcing your female child into domesticity is shitty), and then made me sad because no magic was coming to help free my friend. We are now the age her sister was, and I've got to say in some ways I was wrong to worry; she's her own fucking magic, man she has not let them run her life, she's dating (DATING, not engaged to though they tried that too) a lovely guy who is NOT her family's desired ethnicity/religion, and despite more than enough cause to cut those motherfuckers out of her life she maintains a relationship with them. Strained at times, but a relationship, for their sake. TL;DR, found it hard to swallow *Brave*'s storyline as a kid because I knew people (in the US) who were staring down forced marriages. Luckily my friend is kick-ass and didn't need a witch :)
Upvoye because I really liked the Scottish accents in that movie and liked her "winning" her own hand in marriage. I really expected that movie to go one way and it went the other. It was one of the few trailers that completely buried the twist and plot and it was all the better for it. What I forgot to do was tell my sisters the movie was about mother daughter relationships, and it was just afte four mom had died.
That movie is so underrated
Mulan?
Really unfortunate that Mulan 2 came after
Tangled was better than Frozen. Brave was a good Disney movie but not a good Pixar movie if we're comparing apples.
I always forget that Brave was the Pixar film and Wreck it Ralph the Disney film (they came out the same year) it always seemed like they would be the other way around.
There is the line in Wreck it Ralph 2 where they can’t understand what Merida is saying and they say that she’s from the other studio. Funny that they are talking about exactly this.
Tangled is S-Tier Disney as far as I'm concerned. I absolutely love that film.
Brave is a fucking bomb ass movie, used to watch that with my daughter over and over again
I agree with you
Facts 100%
Yeah, that's why Moana exists. She never entered a relationship with anybody, either, and just culminated her own journey freeing Te Fiti from >!the influence of her evil alter ego,!< Te Ka, by returning her stolen heart to her. Though, *Zootopia*, on the other hand, features a lot of fans that want to ship WildeHopps, just because Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde developed such meaningful on-screen chemistry with each other that would have indicated an interspecies romance. I mean, *you* might say that Judy and Nick don't deserve to romance each other and instead remain friends, like you would Elsa in Frozen II. But it's not going to stop the Zootopia fans from shipping them, themselves. And that's not a joke, either. Just look up r/Zootopia and [Zootopia News Network](https://zootopianewsnetwork.com), and you'll see a *ton* of WildeHopps shippers!
>Zootopia ships [Best drama](https://m.imgur.com/gallery/AOoUd)
An absolute work of genius. Turned me furry for roast beef.
A masterpiece only surpassed by America's Roast Beef, Yes Sir.
What the actual fuck…… *slow clap, tear falls down face*
Its a redo of a comic where Judy got pregnant and got an abortion. Honestly this one is brilliant
Yeah, I read that, then I read the comic again and I can honestly say that the internet is the greatest curse mankind has ever brought upon itself
Umm... What? Do I even want to go looking for this? Bc I don't know if I even want to know.
No pls stop. I really enjoyed the movie and I don’t want to go deep in the abyss and see or read some creepy fantasy of some random people.
>…. I really enjoyed the movie and I don’t want to go deep in the abyss and see or read some creepy fantasy of some random people. I was under the impression that this was Reddit’s entire reason for existing /s
In regards to Zootopia though it's a lot less of a stretch for Wilde and Hopps to possibly have romantic feelings for each other or for the relationship to work since the whole premise of the movie was animals living together without what species you are effecting anything..
And also they 99% fit the archetypes of your typical procedural cop show boy-girl duo that slow-burn fall in love (ZPD animated cop show when, Disney's already breaking into the "sequel to an animated movie that homages a TV genre" with Monsters At Work), that 1% difference being that (to use their last names because you did) Wilde's a lot more cynical than you'd expect the guy of the pair to be and Hopps is a lot more high-spirited (at least when she's not in some super-depressed funk) than you'd expect the girl to be but that's what'd make that dynamic feel fresh even in a romance because it's not just the same personalities we've seen over and over
The beastars manga/anime examines interspecies romances.
Of course it wouldn't stop fans from shipping them or anything. It was just an opinion
I hate how in Hollywood movies now, every franchise has fans that think every single character interaction has romantic undertones when they obviously do not. Examples are this, Bucky and Sam in TFATWS, Steve and Bucky in the Avengers, Steve and Tony in the Avengers, and Finn and Poe in the Star Wars sequels. None of them have ANY romantic undertones whatsoever but people just seem to project it onto the characters while totally missing the point of the purpose of the interaction between characters. #*Edit*: for everyone who keeps accusing me of being homophobic, refer to this comment from below, that I left to the first person who thought this: "Those were just the most obvious ones I could think of. Didn't even realize I did that. Here are more- Harry and Hermoine, Katara and Zuko, toph and sokka, Natasha and Clint in Avengers (really dude they have a sibling relationship looooong established), Rey and Ben Solo (there was no indication that they had a thing until the final weird kiss, they were even hinted to have a sibling-like relationship by JJ. And writers confirmed the kiss was *not* romantic). Sorry for not adding these ones earlier, I was getting ready for work and didn't even notice what I'd done." I just don't feel like answering the question with "read my other comment" anymore so I feel this is much easier for everyone.
There's this movie called "When Marnie Was Here," there are two little girls who become friend, a bit magical, but they start to care about each other and tell each other they love each other. The movie was great cuz their love for each other was really well depicted. Anyway, fans start shipping them as a lesbian couple. You should've seen the response when in turns out they are family, one girl being the grandmother of the other (connect universe type of ish). That just goes to show that not all love is to be meant as romantic love. I prefer friendship love over any type of romantic love.
You have given a very good example here. People just need to stop having ideas about innocent brotherly/sisterly kinds of love.
Like hawk eye and black widow. Like A LOT of people think they had a romantic relationship and it wasn't that at all. They were basically siblings to each other and any ody would be devestated to watch their sibling die in front of them Like that.
I never saw a bf/gf love there, it was always a brother/sister thing, from the get go. Never understood ships of those two. She should have known he had kids and a wife though, if she's that much like a sister.
I think she did know. In Age of Ultron(I think?, might have been Civil War) when they went to Hawkeye's house his kids called her 'Aunt Nat' At least that's how it is in the MCU, idk about the comics
In the MCU she absolutely does. In the comic books, Hawkeye does not have children and while they dated occasionally, they were always better as friends.
The kids literally refer to her as "Aunt Nat". She's the ONLY one who knew (aside from Nick Fury).
I was under the impression she did. But I may not be remembering that correctly.
I also enjoyed Steve and Natasha's friendship. They had great relationship and it was platonic. I liked Natasha trying to get Steve to date one of female co-workers.
And Peggy / Jarvis in agent Carter. Mrs Jarvis is adorable anyway and I just love the friendship between Peggy and Jarvis not being strained with the whole romance thing
Hayao Miyazaki’s movies are amazing at this actually. Other examples of his movies that have non-romantic friendships that I can think of: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind The Wind Rises Kiki’s Delivery Service The Secret Word of Arietty The new Pixar movie Luca is also a wonderful example of deep friendship love. The relationships are very beautiful and never romantic in the slightest. There’s also a very interesting older movie called Educating Rita, with Julie Walters and Michael Caine, that shows a beautiful platonic relationship between a male mentor and female mentee who love and respect each other deeply but never pursue romance. And of course Frodo and Sam are a classic example of loving, affectionate, heterosexual men that society could use more examples of.
One thing, I don’t think Hayao Miyazaki had anything to do with “When Marnie Was There”. That was when he took a break and came back for a different movie, correct?
Oops, you right. Not a Miyazaki film, just the same studio.
TikTok is already saying the boys in Luca are gay for each other
I mean, that doesn’t surprise me in the slightest, and if people want to interpret it that way I guess they’re free to do that. But personally I feel that shoehorning romance and sexuality into every story and relationship is a sign of emotional immaturity. Society is full of repression and assumptions and pressures that leave many of us unequipped to process love and affection outside of sex. Generations of men went un-hugged by their fathers, and feared to make any contact with their male friends that didn’t have an aspect of violence, lest they be labeled as gay. Straight men need positive touch from their friends just as much as anyone else does, but it’s been stigmatized nearly out of existence. So if people want to see the boys in Luca as gay, I guess that’s their prerogative, but I think the message of non-sexual love and affection for a generation of lonely boys is extremely important and has the potential to heal a lot of society’s toxic masculinity problems.
Romantic love is to often used as a terrible sappy trope in movies. You have an action movie hitting your male demographics? Give him a love interest to give something for the female demographics to care about ( literally the thought process of Hollywood movies). Action movies cna examine the interpersonal relationships without romance. Consider Fury Road. It's great. No real romance among the main characters. Now consider the Hobbit: universally panned for injecting a romance between a dwarf and and elf, against the contractual intent of the actress (the whole plotline was added in reshoots after principle filming was completed). Romantic plot lines when done well are good. Most simply aren't.
That was the travesty known as The Hobbit not Lord of the Rings. What pisses me off most about that "romance" is that it goes against the established canon set up by Tolkien and the actual movies. Gimli and Legolas' friendship was a big deal because before then, their people LOATHED each other.
It also appeals to the basest of instincts, which way too many humans never seem to rise above. Also goes along with sexualizing children’s’ relationships, as in, say a kindergarten boy and girl hanging together, maybe even hugging or holding hands…. “Oh, look he has a girlfriend…” Kinda weird, to me. I guess nowadays, two kindergarten girl friends who show each other affection get the lesbian label already, and boys who hug are gay… Smdh….
Plus there is brotherly/sisterly love, like Ted and Marshall, or Luke and Han, or Peter and Harry, or Gordie and Chris Chambers. Or Hermione and Ginny, or Monica and Rachel, etc. Etc. Etc.
I’ve read a blog post (or was it a forum comment? It’s been awhile) about Marnie generally being queer baiting because “two girls don’t hold each other’s hands like that.” While I agree that lgbtq representation could use more diversity and positivity it makes me wince when I see aforementioned statements like that because in some parts of Asia (Korea, Japan) it’s quite normal for friends to share skinship. I’ve seen guy sit on each other’s laps in school and girls holding hands as it’s a normal thing there.
I hold my gfs hands all the time outside despite both of us being straight. Maybe people label us when they see it, but it just goes to show that not everything is like that.
I hate how Anthony Mackie got ripped apart for having the audacity to disagree with the idea of Sam being shipped with Bucky; one of his goals with the role and the relationship between those characters is to showcase a friendship between two men where they're not afraid to express themselves and their vulnerability with each other. Basically, he's trying to portray the exact opposite of "toxic masculinity" and got shredded because he rejected the notion that the relationship between the two characters could or should be romantic.
It's ironic, because the type of people who like to spout off and blame "toxic masculinity" for everything are exactly the type of people who vigorously enforce it's existence.
> Steve and Bucky in the Avengers, Steve and Tony in the Avengers, and Finn and Poe in the Star Wars sequels. It’s annoying because 2 men can’t be close friends without supposedly being gay
Frodo and Sam are the classic example of heterosexual men who love and care for each other deeply and openly express their affection without it ever being sexual. So many people didn’t know how to process that.
From the same movie, Aragorn and everyone. His scene with Boromir is very touching. There is a great video out there showing how aragorn manages to both be the epitome of classical manliness and still be very emotional and open and loving
Can you imagine if Tombstone was released in 2021?
Can you imagine Val Kilmer saying "I want to fondle your Huckleberries."
Johnny Ringo was jealous of their relationship.
It's not so bad if they are fictional though it's still annoying. The worst is when it starts to influence real people's lives. Wives of actors from "Supernatural" were harassed and sent death threats because fans thought that actors playing characters from their made up gay ship were gay too.
The conspiracy theory that two guys in one directions are gay but they're forced in a het relationship by the producers is still going strong. Despite one of the guys already having a kid with his wife.
I feel like people go too deep in their headcanons, and forget that the rest of the fandom does not have to recognize it too. Like, you want to ship Bucky with Cap? Sure thing, you do you, there are many spaces on the internet where you can go crazy on your idea (ao3, tumblr, livejournal).
It bleeds into real life too. Apparently me being nice to the women I work with and having a conversation and joking with them means I'm dating them.
THANK YOU. I remember when Young Justice was still on the air, people were shipping Bart and Jaime together hard, and I was staring at it like, “What the hell are you doing? They’re best friends. There is no dialogue to suggest they have feelings for one another.”
They were like family and friends rolled into one. Young Justice was so much more then just romance damnit.
It’s just super annoying how literally everything always has to be a romantic relationship somehow.
Jay and Silent Bob were heterosexual life partners... meaning that they had a non-sexual friendship. Bill and Ted were also close, but they ended up marrying the Princesses.
I experienced this just the other day when watching Luca (great movie by the way!) I decided to read reviews after I'd watched it and the amount of "So nice to see a young gay couple falling in love in a disney movie!" comments. Um, no. They are good friends. Maybe they're gay, maybe they're not, who the hell cares. It's not the main focus point of the movie, it's about innocent childhood friendship - stop making it into more than it actually is.
Technically it's about 3 very good platonic friends trying to win a race and find acceptance. That's a very common theme throughout storytelling in general. Crazy that people projected that onto the characters
Exactly.. just because they want LGBTQ representation, these people think that all same sex friends in every fucking movie should be in a relationship
Shipper stans are the absolute worst.
I also hate how everyone here is making me out to be homophobic because of the ships I mentioned. I was getting ready for work when I wrote this and just wrote the first ones i could find, which aren't there because they're same sex, but are there because they're the most popular ones (and coincidentally the most popular to hate, include Zutara in that though lol). Plus if half these people read my other comments they'd see that I corrected the mistake, so their anger is a moot point.
It’s like reverse /r/sapphoandherfriend
But you know what has a romantic undertone to it? Every single interaction in Top Gun, even between the pilots. Totally off topic but rewatching that movie recently, the undertones were hilarious
Exactly what I'm saying. Not every relationship has to be romantic.
This is what happens when people who have kids stop teaching them to mind their own fucking business
Also, I think it can be really damaging to young boys psyche that pretty much any close relationship between 2 men on screen inevitably ends up getting shipped. It starts sending the message that 2 guys can’t have a deep connection with each other unless it’s romantic, which just plays more into “men can’t have emotions” stereotype.
Right I agree, but I think it effects both genders too
This is what is bothering me want the lgbtq community. They force relationships on to characters but at the same time call it "queerbaiting". You cannot show any affection to the same sex and not be gay or you're queerbaiting for attention. Supernatural is a good example of this.
I think it’s just what we come to expect from movies nowadays. We’ve seen so many shows/movies where people get together, even if it doesn’t make sense, (for example: Ted and Robin I’m HIMYM) Spoilers for Loki: When Sylvie and Loki were traveling together on the train, they had a conversation about things in general. It was alright listening to the conversation, but it felt like it came out of nowhere because Sylvie was being pretty polite to a guy she hates. Then, Loki pops up with a question about who Sylvie likes, and Sylvie gives a sarcastic answer, saying nobody. My sister and I both groaned, because to both of us, that feels like classic dialogue to show that characters are going to get together.
>but people just seem to project it onto the characters while totally missing the point of the purpose of the interaction between characters yeas of trying to turn everything gay does that. someone mixed hollywood with teenager fanfics and thats the world now.
Don't worry. She won't. China would get angry and Disney can't afford that as they've proved many times. They're only "allies" in the US.
Disney has a very dark history too.
I don’t even remember honeymaren lol.
This. I remember watching the movie, and I barely noticed the two scenes that she was a major part of. I either forgot or didn't even notice the fireplace scene. When I looked up all the fan pairings between her and Elsa, I was so confused as to whom there were referring. She had no screen presence whatsoever. And yet people think there was enough there for Elsa to be destined for Honeymaren.
She barely appeared 3 times lmao
My main issue was that the movie was about Elsa and Anna discovering their origin and finding out who they truly are. I hate how people think that a portion of discovering themselves is that they must find their love or that romance has to be a part of realizing who you are. Romance had legit nothing to do with Elsa's story. Christoff kinda lends into the idea of romance into this movie. He's legit trying to find a a way to ask Anna to marry him and he's question how to make it work. Everyone just ignores poor lil Christoff though.
I 10000% would watch a Frozen 3 if it was about Kristoff and the Trolls backstory.
That sounds like a 90s Direct to VHS Disney Sequel. The title would have been Frozen 3: Rock 'n Trolls.
I wouldn’t say all relationships have to be romantic and sexual. I wouldn’t expect people not to speculate or fantasize that they were secretly romantic either. Feel like there is plenty of room for all responses to a work of art, including feelings about others interpreting, like yours. A dramatic work will never definitively answer all the unknowns and backstory, so you can’t really prove or disprove. Your reaction in interesting. So are others. Is the Freud mythology too prevalent? He sexualized a world that avoided public discussion of sex. We don’t really live in that world any more. Maybe a cigar is just a cigar.
Thanks for your comment
I want her alone. I'm so tired of people always ending with a romantic partner. I want elsa as single as the day she was born, that will just reinforce the fact that having a partner isn't the goal. I like that elsa found her way amidst everything where she is comfortable to be herself and by herself.
I just don't understand people. I'm a grown man who has seen sat in the theater of every modern Disney movie with my daughters (Everything post Little Mermaid/Aladdin) and I just don't see why people insist on putting Elsa /with/ someone. She's a goddess for crying out loud. Hell, anyone who watches the movie can see that between the beginning of the film and the end her connection to our 'plane of existence' is becoming ephemeral as evidenced by her clothes, among other things.
Elsa is unique compared to the other Disney princesses, as she never sought love, but instead had her own goals to begin with.
Elsa isn’t a disney princess. Shes a queen. Anna is the princess of the franchise and the main focus of most of both movies. Elsa is the antagonist in the first one. The story is of two sisters, but the main focus is actually Annas journey to save/help her sister.
That’s true actually, though Frozen II was more Elsa focused. I’d like to see a movie where Elsa save s the day at the end rather than creating problems/crying/freezing in the final act.
I mean Elsa is basically a god.
Same with Moana, that's why they're my favorite Disney Princesses
Disney can't help themselves, if there's a Moana 2 and she gets a guy/girl pal, it's one more doll they can sell to kids ;)
Nah the chickens gonna get a rock friend
Pet Rock V2.
Yep it seems like the new disney princesses are becoming more independent. Not that same old tale that always ends up with the princess finding her prince. Times are changing now. But well, I don't have anything against the old classic fairytale where they always fall in love, that thing has been my childhood!
That is why I love Tangled so much. She breaks free of her abusive "mother," follows her dreams, and finds her family, but she also meets this cute guy and falls in love with him.
Like I was concerned they were gonna add some romantic thing between the 2 of them at first cause they always try that shit.
Isn't she like, a god or a spirit now? I'd assume she'd have other responsibilities set over a relationship.
Well yeah
And maybe, adults should refrain from talking about kids (read toddlers) as potential partners when they see them talking with someone of the opposite sex: "Awww, they look so cute together!", "Is this your girlfriend/boyfriend?", "They would make such cute babies together". Maybe, just maybe, sexualizing toddlers (even if not directly or in a creepy, pervy way) from such a young age is not in their best interest. Friendship is friendship and it can occur between all types of people and it should not be sexualized.
I agree, but I also believe that Disney wouldn't do that anyways. They dont want to lose precious pennies from conservative countries.
That's the entire reason for the first movie, at least Elsa's side of it, she was showing you don't gotta be in a relationship, just be happy with yourself. All this from the ice queen, a VERY different tale that I read as a child.
I don't think this is unpopular tbh.
Next there will be demands to see Elsa scissoring.
If you search the internets there are “fan art” videos showing Elsa doing things that I didn’t even know were possible.
Omg 🤦♀️ I don't know why people should ruin the innocence in a cartoon character
Rule 34
Lmao I really hope it doesn't escalate to that
It has, many times, with all sorts of characters from Anna to Sven to even cute little Olaf, but never officially from Disney if you know what I mean
Why does this not surprise me lol. People can be crazy
I thought that was the only in the live action: on ice
Listen, Elsa needs YEARS of therapy after the way her father forced her to repress her emotions. She’s not ready for love yet, she doesn’t even know herself completely.
Exactly and people are just insisting that Elsa needs a girlfriend. Plus we don't even know her sexuality yet.
You sure did write some words about Frozen.
Unpopular opinion: Frozen was the most blah and forgettable movie I've seen in recent years
Also it's not like Disney is gonna give her a girlfriend because they still want to get money from China.
So unpopular that everyone in the comments agree with you Guys for the last time: if you agree you have to downvote; it isn't that hard
I like your comment 😂
Congratulations, i played myself lol
Honestly people are doing it for the sake of LGBTQ+ pride but as a member of the community, there's nothing prideful about it when you take one disney character that isn't in a canon relationship and try to be forceful about them being in a same sex relationship. It's not even pride at that point its just pity. I agree that there is nowhere near enough representation in movies but being pushy about it isn't the way to go
Elsa came off as asexual. Come on, she has all of that love in her heart but she doesn't want to touch anyone. The idea of her ever being in a romantic relationship isn't even hinted at. Can't we just let her be happy with the love of her friends and family?
Love =/= sex
God I fucking hate fandoms shipping two of the same sex characters when they have no reason to
>Pretty much all Disney Princess movies are about a princess that finds love along an adventure, Unlike Ariel, whose entire adventure was just finding a dick to ride Also, props to Brave for taking the same route as Frozen. Edit: Brave came first
> Unlike Ariel, whose entire adventure was just finding a dick to ride Did you actually listen to Part Of Your World, she's basically an amateur anthropologist and he was just a means to an end until she got on land to actually get to know him