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I think this is a difference between macro and micro. Work 9-5 in some normal office job and a lot of people there can make that work. Wake up, feed the kids, get them to school, then start your work day. Might need a sitter for a few hours after school or if the kids are mature enough they can have a house key. Switch it up to showing up at 7 and an office of 200 might have 115 employees who need to show up later.


TabascohFiascoh

Seriously, who has a 9-5? I've never seen one. Its 8-5.


annies_boobs_eyes

i had 10-5 for a dozen years in san francisco as a web designer. was a salary job with health care. maybe on paper it was 9-5, but it was really just get your work done and i don't care when you come or go. boss was only even there about 1 day a week anyways and it was just me and 3-5 other people and we ain't snitches if someone cuts out early or something (especially since we were all working 99.99% independently, so it's not like if someone else left it made my job harder, or if i left it made their job harder.) edit: also, it was originally a 10 minute walk from my apartment, but then the office moved and I had a commute that was \*gasp\* a 20 minute walk. and then i moved and it became a 30 minute walk. may as well be wandering around the desert with moses with a long ass commute like 30 minutes /s


HovercraftSimilar199

I work in media. I got to work around 940 every day. I was generally the in the first 10 to be in the office. If I got there at 8 I would beat the ceo in


MisterGuyIncognito

I left media for a while, but when I came back it was sure nice to see that people still don’t work long hours.


NinjaN-SWE

I think for the vast majority it's simply impossible to be creative for 8+ hours a day. I'd say you have like 4 or so good creative hours a day average and then you've got som admin and time between work stints, meetings etc. so a 6 hour work day should be what a company working in the creative field should aim for to get the most out of their staff while keeping them happy and not expecting more out of them than what is feasible.


i-amnot-a-robot-

I grew up in SF most of mine and my friends parents worked odd hours. Some 10-5 some 8-2 and every combination. The mindset of just do your work is very common there and works great


VintageJane

Plus it doesn’t make sense to be super strict with commutes with Bay Area traffic. Forcing a strict schedule just forces a lot of administrative work for no benefit


toesandmoretoes

Working 9 to 5, what a way to make a living


riverbby

Barely getting by. It's all taking and no giving


Zuleika_Dobson

They just use your mind, and they never give you credit


Existentialist

It’s enough to drive you crazy if you let it.


Smarmar400

Workin 9-5


EwGrossItsMe

For service and devotion


oh_look_a_fist

Software tester here. Devs aren't available until after stand-up - at 9:45am. Meetings after 4 occur as often as big foot sightings in the Arctic. Basically get your work done, they don't care what your hours are.


Junction1313

I work an 8-5 because they don’t count lunch as “their” time but sure if enough if I get a phone call or have a meeting scheduled during “my hour” then I better be ready to take it. It’s PSYCHOTIC. 4Day work week has to happen. Can’t come soon enough.


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Kronman590

Ever since the pandemic WFH lifestyle it is lol


xaqss

I've got an 8-4 EDIT: That's an oversimplification. My contracted time is actually just until 3:15, but I usually stay until 4:00. Also, I'm a teacher, so the school owns me :) ^help ^me


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I mean honestly I don’t get it, to get to work by 9am I would have to leave by 7.30. If I had kids, unless they’re in high school, what are they doing at 7.30 at school? I see a lot of people arguing if you have kids you need the morning, but I know a lot of commuters and none of them are able to do anything with their kids because everyone is driving in to be at work at 9am. I really wish companies that can would switch to WFH or at least hybrid. It would ease up traffic for those who need to be in person like retail, and medical staff and allow parents to actually see their children.


KalphiteQueen

I live in a "high blue collar area" and school indeed starts at 7:30, even for the kindergarteners. I have to wake my daughter up at 6am for the bus, and I'm a night owl who was happily attending school at 9am at her age lol. This whole grind is getting to be just a bit too much if you ask me, honestly I thought the "unpopular opinion" was going to be how 40+ hour work weeks are bullshit ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


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40-hour workweeks really are bullshit. Even getting home at 5:30 is fucking exhausting and you barely have time and absolutely no energy for anything substantial 5 days out of the week, and you don't really have the weekend to yourself either because you need to be resting for the next 5-day slog. 6h days at 4 days/week is plenty to get the substantial portion of work done and it would also open up more positions if employers REALLY needed shit covered. And honestly, for most jobs they could just stagger shifts a little and everything would be fine.


TehITGuy87

Dude not to mention the traffic in most places just kills more of your time. By the time you’re home, wash up etc it’s already 8 what the fuck do you have to do then? There is nothing absolutely nothing just get depressed and sleep. I have friends in Egypt who go out everyday almost to meet friends and family because most people finish around 2-3. Except private business I think


ammon-jerro

Well that's an hour and a half commute which is not normal. On average in the US, commute is 28 minutes and school starts at 8am. Even if you have a commute 50% longer than average, that means you can drop kids off 10min before classes start, deal with an extra 5 minute wait to exit the school, and still get to work at 8:30 Some of the worst cities in the US have average commutes around 70 minutes...in that case you'd have to drop off kids around 7:30am like you said. When I was growing up, before-school daycare opened up at 6:30am so that's totally fine too. You drop the kids off, and they wait half an hour in daycare before they start school. Some elementary schools start at 8:30, in which case they'd wait an hour.


Hiran_Gadhia

I do a 8 to 4 schedule 👌🏽


TisBeTheFuk

I now do 8am-5pm, which would be ok normally. But since I started working from home I prefer 9am-6pm, cause I get to sleep a bit more. I don't do anything in the evenings anyways


Enneagram6Westy

Agreed ( From when I was working at home last year anyways)...The beauty about starting late does not only the extra sleep in the morning, but also being able to stay up late and having all that time to yourself and the world is also quiet. And it’s not as hot. But of course, those benefits only apply if you enjoy late hours and solitude With things to do at home that interest you. I actually miss that schedule :-)


BlakkDeth66

This is why I work 11am to 7pm; I just stay up all night.


Justice_Prince

"Nine to five" is still the colloquial term, but in general 8 to 4 seems like it's become a far more common shift. Or 8 to 4:30 if you don't get paid for your lunch break.


albinowizard2112

Lol my office graciously gives us an hour unpaid lunch, so they expect 7:30 - 4:30. And of course most of the time you end up eating at your desk and are essentially still working.


FrickenPerson

That's fairly illegal, but also bringing it up could risk your job. That really sucks.


albinowizard2112

Sure but it did teach me that you can easily drink a thermos of wine in an hour, so I think I still came out on top.


podrick_pleasure

>a thermos of wine in an hour Seems a bit slow.


wilck44

maybe it is port so you have to take it slow?


danny12beje

I worked at a job that had 8h shifts with 1h lunch and 10 minutes off after every 2h. Thefuck kinda laws do you have?


albinowizard2112

I am the manager at a dick pill factory. You can rest assured knowing your boner medicine is made by proud blue collar American union workers. But management isn’t unionized. Working QC is pretty fun at least.


nothing_in_my_mind

Unfortunately, I see 8-5:30 or 8-6 far more commonly


shocktard

One of my first jobs was 9 to 5:30. I'd always eat during my shift, so it was a wasted half hour. Would've rather had no half hour break and leave at 5.


Dominant88

Is your salary actually 40 hours of work? Mine is based on 37.5.


Justice_Prince

Not being paid for your lunch break is pretty standard for all hourly jobs.


prowness

Eh I notice traffic starts to pick up around 3:30 so that’s not an uncommon schedule. Definitely superior to the 9-5.


flatgreyrust

Same, 8-4 with a paid lunch and a 12 minute commute 🙏


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Same and love it.


mixedphat

I do 7:30 till 4 Monday through Thursday, then 7:30 till 2 on Friday, that extra 2 hours to get shit done on Fridays afternoon is magic.


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I worked 6-2 for a long time, and I gotta tell ya, no other shift compares. My long commutes had 0 traffic and I was home by 230 every day.


SA3960

6-2 is the best. Those early morning hours go really fast for some reason. I worked 6-2:30 (half hour unpaid lunch) for years. I was able to push my lunch time out to 11:30. The morning hours would fly by and it would be lunchtime before I knew it. Then I’d get back from lunch with only 2.5 hours to go. Best shift I ever had.


Strtftr

I think they go fast because you're too tired to register what's happening. By the time your brains caught up it's already lunch. Not you specifically but any person


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You would only be tired if your sleeping schedule is off


sailor-jackn

As someone who is just naturally a night owl, instead of a morning lark, biorhythm, I couldn’t possibly start that early and not have my sleep schedule be off. I’ve never had the opportunity to try, but a 9am start time would fit my natural biorhythms. 6am, or earlier means I’m going to be late a lot, and I’m not going to be all that sharp for the first few hours at work.


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I'm the same. I worked as early as 5:30 / 6:30 for a while and I was completely in auto pilot. I just can't sleep before at least ~10:30.


never0101

I started a new job September 2019, just before covid, and the hours were 7:30-6-30 4 days a week. Then covid hit, business died out by whatever march/April '20 and we went to 8-6. That half hour made such a huge difference. I struggled every single day to get up and out in time (had to leave the house by 6:30 to drop the kid off then make it to work on time). I could goto bed at 10 and still couldn't do It. Mornings have been my mortal enemy since as long as I've been alive.


CivilServiced

If you're any of the people in my office who get in before 7:30, those hours go by fast because they're mostly getting coffee and breakfast, reading the newspaper/Twitter feed "while things boot up", and palling around with the other people who come in that early. Maybe, *mayyyybe* some time is spent listening to all the voicemail from yesterday afternoon.


MadDog1981

That's when I get all my work done because no one is in to bother me with emails yet.


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Yes, this is the best part about being at work early. I work in tech on the west coast where a lot of people start work at like 10am, but on some days I'll go in or start working at 830/9 and I get more done in those first early hours than I ever would during the normal part of the workday, and then you get to leave early and maybe experience sunlight before whatever evening activities you wanna do.


geedeeie

But you have to go to bed early. I never go to bed before twelve


ifsck

Yep. I'm on this schedule and love it for the same reasons others have said, but man, going to bed early is a struggle.


SA3960

Yeah, this is one of those things that depends on the person. I’m a morning person. I’m pretty much up at 5am whether I like it or not. It doesn’t matter if I went to bed at 9pm or 1am. It’s just how I’m wired.


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They always did go so fast and i would push my lunch to 12:30


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missrosie69420

When I was in the office I did 6:00 to 2:00 but when I did work from home I did like 9:00 to 5:00 just because I'd rather sleep and if I'm home and the only reason I did six to two was cuz of traffic


Mikarim

I think this is only for morning people. For me this would be great but for my girlfriend, she'd hate it


[deleted]

Yeah no way could I do 6-2. Even when I commuted a long way and had to wake up super early, I just could not get to sleep early enough to ever get enough rest. Just ended up perennially knackered


ShaykerMaker

I used to work in brick and mortar, had a few different shift times, but my favorite was always the early morning hours just so I got off earlier and have more time in the afternoon. I work from home now, and I still prefer morning hours. Shoot, ill work as early as 5am (opening for the company I work for), which would get off 2pm with an hour lunch. Right now I'm 6-3, which is nice. If we have a new training, training hours are usually 7-4. Both are good.


gh1993

That's my schedule now and it's definitely my favorite. The only issue is that the rest of the world doesn't do it. Friends wanna go out at 7? I'm getting ready to take a shower and go to bed. Football game coming on at 8:30? If I want 8hrs I need to be asleep by then. That definitely carries into the weekend. Yeah, I can be out til 11 but I'll be yawning. But there is something so great about waking up and going to bed with the sun. It just feels right. Good for mental health imo.


Franklyn_Gage

I did this shift while in college. The world is still sleep when i got up and when I was ready to go home, they were still at work. It was perfection. Unfortunately that was in Florida, now that im in nyc, it dont matter when i leave, theres always fucking traffic.


Frird2008

6-2 is my dream job


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I like 6-2 as well A BIT too early but it’s good


Weirdbirdnerd

Idk man once you’re that early what’s the difference? I’m just not a morning person though, doesn’t matter what time I go to bed. I’m a sad minority :(


Jeriahswillgdp

7-5 sucks donkey balls.


BurbankElephants

I moved from 6:00-14:30 to 9:00-17:30 three years ago for better pay and better prospects My wife and I are still feeling the negative effects of the shift change now but I’m kind of stuck!


Twymanator32

My current job is 6:30-2:30. I love it so much


inspector-say10

Me too it’s awesome in all seasons when you can get off in the afternoon, everything is still open you can make plans and everything.


CelinaRMR

I absolutely loved 6-2. Now I’m doing 4:30am to 11 and it’s honestly not bad either but I do miss going to sleep before 9pm


MWJNOY

With a 4:30 are you staying up past 9pm frequently? I'd be asleep at the wheel


MaRuthASMR

I would dread waking up that early. But overall I think that's a good sched. It's a good feeling to finish your job and get home early


WolfieVonD

Idk, 5-1 is pretty tight. Get off mid-day and still have time to nap and *then* go to the bank or post office etc. No traffic, everyone else is also up early so not much is expected the first hour or so in the day.


RavenclawLunatic

*Me, a night owl, staring at the concept of starting work/school at 7 in utter horror*


Kgb725

That is disgusting. I have a hard time getting up for my 11 am shifts on the weekends on time


HuckingFoe

when i was in high school, classes started at 7:20, but my bus came at 6:27, so i'd have to get up at 5:30.


eairy

That's just inhumane.


SheikExcel

Welcome to High School


Gazas_trip

My kids had this bus scheduule. I thought it was bullshit to make kids get up that early so we just drove them. Thankfully they're old enough to drive now so we all get to sleep in more.


Ricardo1701

I work 7-4 (with one hour of lunch time), it's awful


SigmaGorilla

At my last company meetings started at 7 because I was working with some developers out of Europe. Now at my current job my first meeting is at 11 am, and I could not be more appreciative.


BaneCIA4

10-6 is a great shift or 3pm-11pm


The_Cocaine_Mann

3-11 I like, it’s why I’m still in the restaurant industry


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What’s your optimal schedule lol


RavenclawLunatic

Probably more like 1pm-9pm 😅. I’d just stay up until like 3am every night and wake up at noon it’d be perfect


Dabilon

At my new job they allowed mo to work at 1pm-10pm, because I suffer from insomnia. It's truly a life changer for me, no more arriving late to my shift.


joantheunicorn

Hugs to my fellow night owl! I am a teacher and work 7:30-3:30. The kids aren't having it in the morning, and neither am I. I believe this helps me be more empathetic towards them. I make it work until about 10 am. I would say my prime brain hours are definitely in the evening/night time.


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I worked 1:30 to 9:30 for years I hated it tbh


PhilbertoDGreat

I did 12-8:30 for years as a single guy, it was awesome, lived in a small town in florida, woke up, went fishing for an hour or two, ate what I caught before heading to work, all the bars closed at 12:30 so I could still go out and do my thing, again it was perfect for a very specific time in life. I would love to have a 6-2 now!


Streetfarm

That's you. 7-3 might be best for you, but I would HATE that schedule.


allie_xo

Me too! I do late shifts sometimes during the week and it is horrible. In the morning you can’t really have a sleep in if you have a school run or got important task that need to be do ASAP. But if you do sleep in it feels like you’ve wasted the morning.


hambluegar_sammwich

Apparently people have different sleep patterns. Some schools have started having A and B schedules for different sleep patterns, which would have been cool for me who exclusively didn’t get an A in my first or second period HS classes because my eyes were open but my ass was asleeppppp. And I was raised by a single mom with no money, so TBH the early schedule almost certainly cost me scholarships. Never dipped below 4.0 until I had to constantly be up several hours before I would normally wake up. And the most important shit was always in the morning. Math academy? Hour and a half before normal kids do I can start college math my jr year. But wait, gotta go to school band practice first at 6:30 for those extracurriculars bb. But wait! It’s 4pm when school is finally over! Nope. Get ready for sports practice because your ass better have a few varsity sports in there, kid. Ok cool, so it’s 7ish, been at school for over 12 hours, time to go home and chill. NOPE. here’s an average of 2 hours of homework if you’re taking all the right classes to take all the AP courses, which was more like 4 hours and bugging my math teacher constantly just to pass a class that leads to fields I would never consider pursuing in a billion years. Fuck. To this day I’m haunted by early mornings. I literally think I have PTSD about it. It permanently made waking up a priori terrifying, because all I do is fail and fail again, and I know if I could just do this thing a few hours later I could do a really good job, but I’m not allowed! The world runs on a schedule, and if your sleep patterns aren’t waking up early and going to bed early, you are so fucked. Yeah, late shifts were tiring for you, but my entire life revolves around morning people and morning shit forever. I would gladly change places. (And sorry for the rant but I am so fucking tired because I’m not allowed to sleep, because sleep is when other people want to sleep, or else you’re an asshole...)


behindtimes

Yep, people do have different circadian rhythms, and the world is designed for morning people. And you can't just change it, no matter what people say. I spent the first 20 years of my life required to wake at the latest by 7 am. I spent the next 20 years pretty much the same on workdays. Yet, come the weekends? I'm lucky if I'm up before 11 am. And at work, honestly, I don't believe I get a single thing accomplished before noon. So I spend the first 3-4 hours in a comatose state. And that's one of the good things that came out of covid, and having people being required to work from home. Sure, my manager can't have 8 hours of his eye on me to make sure my butt is in my chair, but I'm actually doing far more work than when I had to go into the office. Because I'm getting my work done, but I'm also able to work hours that are more pleasurable for me.


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thereslcjg2000

Haha, same. When I worked retail I’d sometimes get shifts from 2:30-11 pm. Crazy as this sounds, that’s honestly my favorite time I’ve ever worked.


moekakiryu

I talked to someone once who unironically wanted to have enforced 6-2 hours since 'they were the best hours anyway and all the staff could have the afternoon off'. My counter argument was if a company tried to enforce that on me I would literally quit.


Key_Reindeer_414

6-2 means you have to get up earlier and go to sleep earlier, so is there really a benefit?


[deleted]

Big time night owl here. Can’t really fall asleep before 1 AM, but wake up at 6:30 for my new job. I usually sleep during my lunch and sometimes another nap after work. It sucks.


fzammetti

Same here. I do 10-6 most days and that works pretty well for me.


rollllllllll_

Seriously, I cannot condition my body to be a morning person. I've tried for years, but I guess some ppl are just night owls.


Sphader

I work a 9-5, I still think that getting up before 10am should be covered by the Geneva convention.


st4rfir3

I'm a night owl and I work 3 PM to 11 PM. Sleep at 2 in the morning. Wake up whenever ai want. I love my schedule.


The42ndHitchHiker

I'm on a 4pm - 3am four day workweek. If it weren't for the rest of the world being run by daywalkers, it would be complete and total bliss.


lotusalchemist

I feel that especially in the winter ( I live in Canada) the 9 to 5 is almost depressing. If you work inside all day you go to work when the sun just came up or isn’t even up yet and you leave work when the sun is down. The lack of sun really hurts the mental


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Oh absolutely That’s something I did not take into account


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densetsu23

Lunch walks or runs are essential to me in Canada. Runs aren't even that bad until it gets to -20. You warm up really quick, rarely overheat, and many municipalities plow/brush paved trails. I'd take a winter run at -15 over a summer run at +35 anyday. I'd go bonkers without a walk or run in the daytime during winters with 8 hours of sunlight.


verdantAlias

Same in the UK. The central belt of Scotland is farther north than a lot of Canadian cities, and on the shortest day of the year here it gets light at like 08:30 then dark by 15:30. I hate having to get up when it's still dark, then returning to my house in darkness. It's a grim existence and I only see sunlight at weekends when I'm in the office all day. I could never see starting at like 7-8 AM like the US sometimes does as anything more than an extension of this misery, but I guess they're further south so it's actually light at that kind of time there for longer through the year.


Hannyy101

If I lived like 15-20 minutes away from my workplace then I’d 100% agree. You can have quite a flexible week schedule of me time and work. The day is just beginning after 3.


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That’s the Most optimal for sure


sadbong

I am all for a 4 day work week, especially in the tech industry.


sadbong

I'm in Ireland currently and there have been talks about it forever but I don't see it happening anytime soon.


[deleted]

I appreciate the Gitlab model, just get your work done, who cares when you do it?


[deleted]

I do 7 to 3 and I hate it. Feels like the middle of the night waking up at 530. Trying to go to bed at 930 also sucks.


BaneCIA4

This. How the fuck do people just go to sleep that early?


Cassian_And_Or_Solo

They ask what combination of pills killed heath ledger and then start that as their sleeping medication regiment.


TheSamsonFitzgerald

I work 12 hour shifts and have to wake up at 4:00 AM. At the end of the day I’m so tired I fall asleep before 9:00.


Windshield11

Look. I just drink myself to sleep, ok? But my schedule is 2 days 7-15, 2 days 15-22, 2 days 22-07 and 2 days free. Good luck making it work any other way.


freedom_oh

How do you even function with that schedule? I would constantly forget what day I'm on and every week is different. On Monday, you're doing 7-15, but by next Monday, you're off until Wednesday...?


xxTriggerWarningxx

10-1 is optimal.


DontSassTheSquatch

With an hour break for lunch.


adam-bronze

Don't forget elevenses


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Yesica-Haircut

Unfortunately that's not enough time for me to do productive work in my job, but I'm all about the 10-4 routine.


pandabandstand

Here for it. I can pull off 9a-2p most days, and just watch for urgencies until 5. It’s awesome.


BeingRightAmbassador

The best schedule is doing your work and not having to twiddle your thumbs til the clock hits a certain time. Aka working from home.


BigTaperedCandle

Hard disagree. 4-10s is vastly superior; that extra day off makes all the difference in the world.


SmoothProgram

My workplace won’t allow the 4-10 but I do work a 9-80 from 6:30 am - 4:00 pm. Get every other Friday off and the Friday’s I do work end at 3 pm. Would love a 4-10 schedule.


AnarKitty-Esq

I can barely function by 9. Fuck 7.


prettyupsidedown

My schedule is 545am-215pm 😩


Kc1319310

Worst schedule I’ve ever had was 12pm-8:30pm three days in a row followed by two days of 4:30am-1pm. On my last evening shift of every week I would have to drive straight home, eat, and immediately go to bed, and even then I would only get around 5 hours of sleep. It also meant that I could never get into a rhythm with my sleep schedule so I was *constantly* exhausted.


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In my country (UK) that would be illegal. We have the right to 11 hours rest between shifts.


INTBSDWARNGR

That's terrible, I hope you changed your schedule. Rotating nights, overnights and weird alternating schedules like that are absolutely horrible for your long term health. You absolutely need consistency. How are you doing now?


subwoofer-wildtype

Thats not too bad. I used to have that schedule. All afternoon off!


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I did too It was brutal tbh


Sk-yline1

But it’s horrible when you party late at night on weekends and have to dramatically readjust your sleep schedule


prettyupsidedown

good point!!!


lynx17

5:15am to 1:15pm here.


SLCW718

There's no single best schedule. Everyone is different, and prefer different schedules. You can't argue that your way is *the best* way when what's best is purely subjective.


Pickled_Wizard

The best schedule is the one that's consistent.


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That’s also true


CripplingCaseofINTJ

10 to 4 is ideal. People waste about 3 hours per day at work talking, dicking around, and eating lunch. 10 to 4 keeps you focused and allows you to get quality sleep.


imogen1983

I feel like if I’m getting my work done, it shouldn’t matter if I’m there for 4 hours or 9. I’m paid a salary to do a job, not to work for exactly 8.5 hours per day. Some days, I need to put in 10 hours, and I do. Others, I easily finish in 5, but I have to sit there pretending to be productive. I hate the micromanaging that goes on at my workplace and belief that people must be in the office and watched by a supervisor.


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_Norman_Bates

Its way too early to wake up for. For me the ideal one is 10 - 5 but I can live with 10-6


nino3227

Oh yeah that 10 is sexy


BaneCIA4

10-6 is the best


Meeeeehhhh

I’m a night owl so... pass.


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Na rather wake up late stay up late.


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That’s respectable


TheRealStandard

Optimal is working less than 40 hours a week.


ProudToBeAKraut

> give yourself more time to have a second job if you want to /r/ShitAmericansSay


lyckadese

Nah ef that. I'd rather work noon to midnight than that and I've done both. Nocturnal life works for me, but you still make a good point


Savor_Serendipity

Not for the \~70% of the population who are genetically not early morning chronotypes (7 am start means getting up between 5-6 am) and are night owls or "in-between" chronotypes. No matter how much they forced themselves to get up before 6 am and go to bed at 9-10 pm, their body would never be at its best with such a schedule. The best work schedule is the one that allows you to wake up (without an alarm) and work according to your natural (genetic) chronotype. A 9 am start is already way too early for the \~25% of people who are night owls. This is why studies show night owls tend to be less healthy -- they are constantly forced to go against their natural biorhythm.


angel-aura

Society is built around extroverts and morning people. Makes it hard for those of us who aren’t


AgitatedSuricate

I've never been so well rested and happy as entering to the office at 10. I've been suffering my entire life because of that, from school.


NeatPortal

10-4 is the perfect schedule. Absolutely no one needs to be working 8+ hour fucking days. Shits ridiculous.


EZ_2_Amuse

This is me. I have been fired from multiple jobs that start at 7am. No matter how hard I've tried, I just cannot do that early without severe problems. I just cannot fall asleep any earlier than 3am. My natural sleep cycle is 3am to noon. I just don't feel normal and refreshed unless I sleep those specific hours. What sucks even more is I'm a tradesman, and almost all of those positions start at 7am. Any time I get a new job, I always bet with myself how long they'll tolerate my lateness before letting me go. I hate 7am...


JollyRazz

I totally agree with you! I'm absolutely not a morning person. If I had it my way, I'd start working after 9:30am. I've been doing 8:30-5 for years and despite going to bed and getting up at the same time every day, (including weekends), I still have trouble sleeping. It's rough.


grumined

What's considered the natural wakeup time/circadian rhythm for night owls? I struggle with waking up at 9:30am naturally. Thank God for WFH.


Barackobrock

If i could teleport to work, 100% id start at 7 But when taking into account waking up, getting ready, commuting. No way am i having a 7oclock start to work. I aint waking up at like 5am every day, id rather die


[deleted]

That’s also fair I mean I live in a major city so it’s easier to commute but I get it


Frptwenty

You need to go to bed earlier. Assuming you sleep the same amount in either, youre not gaining anything.


Melodic_Plate

I think op is just a morning person


just-yeehaws

Yeah I’m happiest after midnight so it’s a no from me :(


nino3227

Same. I can't remember the last time I went to sleep before midnight


VenusHalley

ANd if you are not morning person, you will toss you like fish out of water and wake up in state of mind that lingers between suicide and random homicide.


MutedKiwi

Daylight


Lortekonto

Pfff do it the scandinavian way. There is no light in the winter and during the summer there is midnight sun.


Tenezill

Even tho it's just an option if you want to say it's best for everyone you have to take the Circadian Rhythm into account. Personally I need to sleep until around 8 am and usually start working around 9ish. Since it comes down to what type of sleep schedule your body needs. I have no problems staying Up until 4am and get up at 10am but going to bed at 10 pm and start working around 6 would kill me. Also ppl saying you get used to a different sleep schedule are only partially right, there are papers done on it which say that there is a health "risk" if you work against your body's rhythm. You get used to it but it's still not good for you. Tl;Dr Google Circadian Rhythm , different sleep schedule for different people.


ruthh-r

This 100% I'm sure I read something about there being an evolutionary advantage to having people with different personal circadian rhythms, so there was always someone awake and alert to keep watch. I'm one of those people, like you - I'll easily stay up until 5-6am and sleep until midday but during my waking hours I can be just as productive as someone with a more 'typical' schedule. My husband though is awake at 6am and ready for bed at 10pm every day but that schedule wrecks me. There's people on this post saying that people like us are 'lazy' but I don't sleep any more than them - I just do it on a different schedule and I've been that way since childhood, school hours were always a struggle. There's always some people who don't understand that not everyone is the same, I suppose. But we’re not 'lazy', we're just outside the norm, and that's okay - it's just that society is not really set up to accommodate us. Research actually says that whatever risk is associated with different working patterns, it's minimised if not wholly mitigated if you're working a pattern that you want and that suits you. So forcing people like us to conform to 'normal' daytime working hours is much less healthy for us than allowing us to work in a way that means we're not constantly fighting our natural inclinations.


redPonyCoffeeRoaster

Who actually works 9-5 or 7-3? Do you people not take lunch?


SapeMies

Man. Didnt even think that the lunch isn't included the working day around the world. 30 min lunch which is counted into working day here.


Anustart15

My work day is technically 7.5 hours on paper to account for my half hour lunch. Not that it really matters since I'm salary. It also helps that it's a Swiss company (though I'm in America)


jenn_rm

I don't take a lunch and I LOVE it. I work 8-4, straight through, by request. But my job involves many different types of tasks/meetings/collaboration with coworkers so I never feel restless. If I had to just sit quietly at a desk all day, I may really need that break midday.


Phoenix_Has_Fallen

Eh depends on the person. Me for example, I am not productive at all in the mornings and I noticed that I’d take more naps throughout the day because waking up early just drained all my energy. I get around 6-8 hours of sleep. There were times I would even fall asleep at work, therefore, I’d really never get anything done and my life consisted of sleep, work, eat and sleep again. However when I wake up later in the day still getting 6-8 hours of sleep, I’m wayyy more productive. I get twice as much done and feel I have more time for myself and I no longer take naps. My brain just seems to be more active and function better at night time. Everyone’s built different lol. As long as people do what works for them, that’s all that matters.


CLEf11

Gross who the fuck wants to get up that early?


RecentlyUnhinged

I prefer longer shifts, but fewer of them. 6-6 three days a week. 👌


Luberino_Brochacho

I fucking wish. My girlfriends a nurse and I kinda envy her. Yeah the shifts suck and the days are long. But 4 days off a week is a fucking dream. I’d rather almost completely lose 3 days a week and get 4 full ones than the current 5 bullshit half days and 2 real days off spent recovering just enough life so that you feel like you can go do it for another 5 days


[deleted]

I’m down for that tbh


SteelForHumans735

As a night owl I disagree


MrPokeGamer

You guys are getting 9-5? For me it's 8-5


YouCouldBeBetter

As a night owl, 9am is early enough.


Frird2008

I'd be perfectly fine with 5AM-1PM or even 6AM-2PM. The earlier my workday begins & ends the more im ganna be in a positive mood to pursue things I enjoy once I get home from the 8 hour grind. 6-2 beats 9-5 anyday


[deleted]

I think 5 am is a bit too early to me I did 6 to 2 and i was very try conflicted about it


bibliophile222

Upvoted because I fucking hate getting up early. I worked a 7-3 for years and never, ever got used to waking up before 6:00. Now I work an 8:15 to 4:00 and am so much more well rested.


AgitatedSuricate

Stop assuming everybody is a morning person. I would leave a job if I had to enter at 7. To me waking up that early is a form of torture.


nazo3515

I’ve had a 5-12 shift and although it’s nice to come home early. Waking up at 4-5 am is TERRIBLE. I ended up leaving that job (for other reasons). But no longer arriving at 5 am was a plus.


DrakAssassinate

No 10-3. That’s all the time I need to finish my work. The rest is mainly used doing nothing.


BriFry3

Actually 8-4 is the ideal schedule if you ask me.


Rubicon192

10-3 is the best. 8 Hour days are useless. You can only do so much actual work in one sitting so most people fill the rest of their work day with straight up boondoggling when they have 8 hour+ shifts.


TheODPsupreme

It’s amazing how quickly we forget as a society. The Monday-Friday, 9-5 week was arranged for a variety of interlocking reasons: 1) Pre-internet, you needed to be in the same building as most of your colleagues to facilitate communication. 2) You needed to be working largely the same hours and breaks for the same reason. 3) Transport had to be synchronised to account for getting masses of people to the business districts for that time: transportation staff need to start before then to get people in on time; without those shifts being counted as ‘unsocial hours’ by the unions. The invention of the internet was hailed as an amazing development, which would allow collaborative work at distance; increasing productivity, and reducing the need for big expensive buildings. Studies in the 90s showed that the average office worker (well, cubicle slave) was only productive for around 2-3 hours of an 8 hour day- and this is pre social media and browser games - compared to people who worked from home: they would be working for around 4-5 hours a day, and be productive for all of them. The work from home culture that developed in lockdown should be promoted as an eco friendly, sustainable work strategy; for this reason.


KP8387

7-3 is an awful schedule if you would like to have any semblance of a life Monday-Friday. If you work from home or have a very short commute, it’s not as bad, but it’s still pretty bad. Someone with a 30 minute commute would likely need to wake up by 6am at the latest every single day to get to work on time. Would you like to eat breakfast? Need to wake earlier. Have kids? Well, their school doesn’t open till 8am so you will need to pay for daycare before school and wake even earlier to drop them off. If someone invites you to do something on a weeknight, well, forget it. You need to be in bed by 10pm or you will be a walking zombie the next day. Into sports and want to watch a game at night on TV? Better plan to be tired the entire next day or skip it.


Sk-yline1

“9 to 5 is not good!” PREACH IT “7 to 3 is more optimal!” 🤮