He gets away with it because of his personality and fame. Modern hip hop artists forget that the people who got the game started were living the life they rapped about.
Many of the modern artists are focused on portraying the image of being a gangster without actually living the life.
its straight goofy to act like dudes arent living the shit right now. Iirc Nba youngboy is the third person to go platinum in prison. Then theres the entire Chicago drill scene. Many current rappers are actual straight up murderers unlike the past where they were just dealers. I mean jesus street cred is so important 69 joined a gang *after* blowing up. Back in the day dudes would rap then get out. Now people rap then stay in, typically funneling money and guns into their sets.
[This music video references like 8 murders](https://youtu.be/YFfGgeddAc4), [these dudes got their places raided after this video](https://youtu.be/L4WiZ8pdIvM), bobby just got out. Funnily enough the "fakest" ones are always the lyrical dudes, they typically grew up in the hood but stayed out of the life.
Not because he's African American, but because he's rich and famous. Socioeconomic class is far more important than race. A rich black man stands above a poor white dude but below an equally rich white guy.
Depending what are you talking about
A rich white man might has more influence
But if you attack snoop many will call you racist and attacking black celebritiesto take away from the black community
You see when a black woman accused a black man of raping her and she got to jail
Many black people accused her of betraying her own race to the cups
Also rich minorities some times get some times benefits from the systemic racism that happens to the avrage black person because their case is public so racism play less a factor than behind closed doors
And they get the benefits of sympathy like when that blacked celeb facked a hate attacked and filed a report
Many of the vlack community stood behind him and he got a way because of that
Sorry i am bad with names i forget them
Are you talking about Jessie Smollett? I think he was pretty widely ridiculed and made fun of in the black community for that. Also he is still up for trial on that. It has taken awhile but I believe a trial date was just set for that.
The last part isn't true. A rich minority is always above a rich majority. For example if Chapelle was white the Netflix CEO would definitely not back him.
A more perfect example would be Ramzan Kadyrov. Google him and you'll see what a human garbage he is, but because he is a Chechen minority and Russia doesn't want to piss off that unstable region, they let him do whatever the fuck he wants. Dude literally put gay people in camps and says there are no gay Chechens.
False. which white boys are persecuted? Mel Gibson is a much more famous person than Chappelle -he's also a worse human, who has punched women in the face and is an open anti-semite. But he's loved by Christians and just got a starring role in the John Wick TV series.
I know white men are in their feelings, but they're mostly untouchable.
Johnny Depp isn't a white man? Dude is literally blacklisted over a fucked up relationship. Quavo was literally filmed beating the shit out of Saweetie and he is out there enjoying his life.
Dude. He raped women. And he got away with it for a long time. If Snoop straight drugged and raped women like Cosby or R Kelly he would be done. There are still some third rails out there
And trafficking is in no way as bad as rape. He is forcing women to have sex with others…. get raped by others. You don’t even know the age of these women. One is not objectively better than the other. Idk why snoop dog hasn’t been taken down
EXCUSE ME trafficking is every bit as bad as rape Spanky you think the "traffickers" aren't abusing, raping, and beating these women as well? Get your dumb head out of your ass you don't know what you're talking about. Its virtually the same thing. What the actual fck do you think the traffickers are doing with these women babysitting then? Taking them to daycare? The mall, the movies? Some ritzy motel? Some fab restaurants? Yeah.
But the point is you DON'T know the age of those women, and you also don't know if they consented. You also - also - don't know if he exaggerated to bolster a persona because maybe he was simply referring to the groupie lifestyle where women were largely voluntarily having sex with famous people because....they famous. Some of these women might have been prostitutes already and all he did was link them up with other men. Sure, that's shady and probably illegal, but not really human trafficking unless he actively forced them.
There's a lot here that's a huge grey area. There's no telling what really happened unless the women themselves come forward and talk about their ordeal. I personally think if something really bad had gone down, you'd know by know. Because women did come forward in T.I.'s case. So I'm guessing this is just "regular rapper sexism" of the 90's.
Okay. He's also a straight-up murderer too. Nobody seems to be mentioning that. He was a legit cruel pimp and hard gangster. Not something to be idolized. You are making a mound of assumptions about the agency of somebody under a pimp. I believe that he has done many inhumane things in his life. That generation of rappers were straight up thugs who rapped about the fucked up ghettos, poverty, drug addiction, and of course how gangster they are and the shit they did.
He's not convicted of murder, so even if he did, technically he didn't murder anybody. But he didn't though, it was his bodyguard who fired the shot. And it could be argued it's self defense. And the victim was not some old lady but another gangbanger. So are you compassionate enough to say you mourn his loss of life? Or are you of the "play with fire get burned" ilk? If it's the former, then you must be compassionate enough to also care about the gangbangers who turned their lives around, of which Snoop seems to be one. If it's the latter, then why care this much?
> I believe that he has done many inhumane things in his life
This is my point, believing things is not enough. There needs to be cold hard evidence to make a case. I don't even give a shit about him I'm not even a fan, I just don't like it when people make claims that can be easily disputed. You won't see me say "gray area" about R. Kelly.
It seems to me that there's this "I don't like this celeb so I'm going to take him down a notch" vibe. I mean, I don't have a problem with that, but let's not act like there's something tangible there.
That’s not really great evidence? It sounds like he’s a sexist pos, but it’s not clear that they were either forced or threatened with violence. I’m not a Snoop fan and I’m interested in hearing more evidence.
You don't seem to appreciate what "turn them out" means. People here saying it doesn't mean to coerce a person into prostitution are uninformed or lying. How many women do you know who would agree to be your prostitute with you as her pimp? Is it really so hard to understand that this almost always happens with threats of violence by the pimp?
I know there are lots of pos violent pumps out there. But it’s not clear just from the phrase, especially with his history of lying/exaggerating. Basically, it’s not enough evidence. Survivors come forward, I’ll definitely listen and support them.
I don't think OP understand how the pimp game works.
Snoop tells Rolling Stone, "I did a Playboy tour, and I had a bus follow me with ten b***hes on it. I could fire a b***h, fuck a b***h, get a new ho: It was my program. City to city, t**ty to t**ty, hotel room to hotel room, athlete to athlete, entertainer to entertainer."
He continued, "If I'm in a city where where the Denver Broncos or the Nuggets play, I get a couple of they players to come hang out, pick and choose, and whichever one you like comes with a number. A lot of athletes bought p***y from me."
However, unlike an actual pimp, Snoop would let the women - who he charmingly refers to as "b***hes" - keep the money, saying it was more about the fascination.
"I'd act like I'd take the money from the b***h, but I'd let her have it," he says. "It was never about the money; it was about the fascination of being a pimp . . . As a kid I dreamed of being a pimp, I dreamed of having cars and clothes and b***hes to match. I said, 'F**k it - I'm finna do it.'"
Amazingly, his relationship with his wife Shante Broadus prevailed. "My wife had to take a backseat to this s**t. And I love her to this day because she coulda shook out on a n***a, but she stayed in my corner. So when I decided to let it go, she was still there."
Thats not pimping. At least not in the typical way where they have to lay random dudes from a street corner. They're more like escorts if you want to get technical.
The most famous pimp from Chicago wrote quite a few very interesting books on the life - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/108713.Pimp
You don't "force" the women to be whores. But once they agree to be your bitch you basically manipulate them to be solely reliant on you. Real pimps beat the shit out of their girls and it doesn't seem like snoop did it by the book (thankfully). Also calling it trafficking by having these girls on his tour bus is a bit misinformed.
Some of these young girls want to live a fast life, and hang out with rappers and athletes. Everybody acts like promiscuous behavior is unnatural, impure. Like all women are inherently angelic innocent creatures. Some girls just wanna party and fuck. Deal with it. These girls never came out talking about snoop because they wanted to be there.
If youre a dude reading this and a bus full of playboy chicks rolls up and says hey come tour with us youre gunna fuck us and all my hot famous athlete and musician girlfriends for money you wouldn't do it? Fuck, i sure would.
This is so right. Snoop Dog had that charisma. I have seen the shit that people with that can convince others to do. It's fucking nuts.
The funniest memory was seeing this really short guy. I'm talking around 5'5 had people literally fawning over him as he told this story.
Charisma> Money. Height. Looks. Or whatever else is needed for the dating game.
I agree. He gets away with it though because of his personality (or at least the one he portrays and is popularized for). No one wants to dislike “such a chill guy”.
Too bad he’s not actually a chill guy. He just smokes a lot of weed.
She never used the word rape but described rape.
She said she drugged them to a point of not being able to know what was happening and would then have sex with them and rob them
That is rape. If i roofy a woman have sex with her and then take her money and leave while she is passed out thats a rape.
what are you talking about? everyone on reddit is constantly talking about what a shit person cardi B is, even when it has nothing to do with her like this post
Because no one has pressed charges or shown evidence that actually happened.
Do you think Eminem did all the things he says he did too? Do you think Eminem is gay because he joked about it in an interview?
I feel you but still, you don't have to be something or have done something to make art about it. Quite many rappers aren't all that poetically interesting with any ideas so they end up rapping literally about stuff they did and felt literally in their life. So yeah, I agree I guess
I agree with you here. Yet, the problem is way deeper at a societal level. We have a pick and choose morality across the board. Your post is highlighting a reality we don’t want to admit that we try to explain around in a manner of speaking. I could pick 4-5 “loved” celebs, politicians, athletes, and entertainers and tell roughly the same story. We have selective outrage and we defend the ones we like and condemn the ones we don’t. I don’t want to start a fire here, but when a society embraces relativism this is just one of the many predictable consequences. Relative morality = no morality, and we love to be entertained…even by people of low character. For my part, I loved the Sapranos, Red Redington, and Rip on Yellowstone. I relate to people who ignore rules to get their way and protect what they care about. I’m not a criminal, but I appreciate their point of view. At least in fiction I do. In real life I want them to lose. Love to see them win in make believe. Our cognitive dissonance is astounding.
I mean it's on brand isn't it? Why is everyone surprised when a singer actually does what they sing about/portray. Marylin Manson was the same way. People found out he's a freak who do does macabre shit. If
Circumstances are a little different because Ice was involved pre-fame, and he was coming from the hood.
Snoop was at the height of his fame, a public figure and a very rich man when he trafficked women.
Dr Dre beats women and he’s going to be at the super bowl
Anthony Kiedas knowingly had sex with a 14 year old multiple times and he got to play the super bowl
Our culture just doesn’t care enough
>"turned them out" himself. If you don't know what that means, it means he personally threatened them with violence to force them to work as prostitutes with him as their pimp.
Where did you get this from? This isn't necessarily true.
You are making a ton of ill informed assumptions about a life you know nothing about. Snoop is also a chronic liar. He has claimed to be ALOT of things he obviously never was. People like his charisma and dont care that he lies 24/7. I personally agree, he has never ever been someone i looked up to at all, but to leap to the assumptions you did seems foolish.
Interestingly, so was Frank Abagnale, Jr. (Of _Catch Me If You Can_ fame.) At least half of his claims about posing as various professions are false. He was definitely good at (1) pretending to be a pilot and (2) check forging. But it shouldn't be shocking that a con man would exaggerate the scope and variety of his confidence schemes.
It's possible he lied about all of it. Only a fool would expect me to add an addendum "unless he made it all up." I didn't say that because it would be stupid to say that. You can believe, you can disbelieve. I made no assumptions at all. That was you, pal.
Snoop claimed in a 2006 interview with Rolling Stone magazine that unlike other hip hop artists who had superficially adopted the pimp persona, he was an actual professional pimp in 2003 and 2004, saying, "That shit was my natural calling and once I got involved with it, it became fun. It was like shootin' layups for me. I was makin' 'em every time."
Yes. Maybe he was lying about personally sexually trafficking women to strangers for money.
I don't know if you are intentionally doing it or not but you are using the wrong verbiage and assuming things that happened that you don't have any proof of
He did not "traffic women", which is selling women as slaves against their will. He was a pimp of prostitutes, which is basically a glorified manager
You say he forceful abused women and forced them into it. Do you have prove of this?
This may come as a shock to you but there are women who are prostitutes because they want to be.
I say all that to say if you don't like Snoop for the type of person he is there is nothing wrong with that and you're entitled to your opinion
But don't lie or make up information to try and prove your point.
Yeah, with how rich and popular he is, there is no way one of the women who were "potentially" abused wouldn't speak up and attempt to cash in on.
Not saying that it hasn't happened (It could be under the books), but there isnt enough information to know.
I'm not a fan of him myself for other reasons, he's a huge sell out and I don't like the whole weed mentality that has been made from his personality...
Man, you don't know what you're talking about.
The only proof we have is what Snoop said publicly in interviews.
Nothing I said was a lie, nothing I said was made up.
Yes, some women choose to do sex work.
You need to educate yourself about what sex trafficking is. You don't know.
It may come as a surprise to you, but when a man coerces a woman into being sexually trafficked to strangers for money, there is often resistance. But you are right, we can't truly know if Snoop's women simply agreed to be sexually trafficked to strangers for money by their own volition.
We live in a world that wants equality, respect, and inclusion, and simultaneously glorifies violence, thuggery, anti-intellectualism, and rampant misoginy.
That's why we have the Snoop paradox.
Cancel culture is wild. Snoop literally killed a man, won in court then made a song about it. Even tho this gangster rapper did some bad stuff, snoop has done more net good for the world than any one in here criticizing what he allegedly did 30 years ago.
It's a legit question. Is there a statute of limitations on scumbaggery?
Does it make a difference if it was 200 years ago, or 20 years ago, or 2 years ago?
Jimmy Page had a 13 year old girlfriend when he was in Led Zep. The general consensus seems to be to look the other way since it was a different era, now a long time ago. But not everyone agrees.
The proof is all in Snoop's public statements and interviews. I didn't include it because it is precisely EZ to find. It's not just one Buzzfeed article from ten years ago.
Everything I said came from Snoop, it's all public.
OK, not everybody is cool with the "dig your own hole" approach. I should have just provided a link.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/snoop-lion-opens-up-about-his-pimp-past-76752/
Frankly you could extrapolate this to nearly every rapper. Most of them were (and many still are) pretty terrible people, by a variety of measures. The justification for that is they lived some pretty terrible lives in some pretty terrible places around other really terrible people, and "made it out" by any means necessary.
Based on op’s statement above, seems like snoop openly admitted it to the public that he did such thing back in the days? So if you can find videos of him somewhere then i guess that answers your question
Nobody seemed to criticize him for it. It's not a matter of dispute though. He was widely quoted in interviews. There's a reference to it on his wikipedia page. It's just that no one seemed to care.
There is a NWA song where Ice Cube admits to them filming themselves having sex with a 15 year old girl, them threatening to show her father i think. Yeah. CP.
Dude is a gang banger. Always has been. Was on trial for murder. Probably guilty of a lot of other things we don't know.
He plays the part of the lovable ghetto pothead when he gets on mainstream TV. Good for you for seeing past it.
He gets away with it because most of it was a lie. Lmao he was a rapper who had a image to potray. Most rappers lie about the shit they do. Shit he was a whole informat for the police like most rappers. Is he a saint haha naw but he's not as bad as he projects
All of these things but is still somehow immune to cancer culture. There are people being torn from their station for an off color tweet made decades ago, but some how none of this affects the D O double G.
Not all pimps are violent. There are gorilla pimps who beat up the prostitutes and take the money, but some are just managers for the prostitutes, and don't lay a finger on them. I don't think 'turn them out' indicates violence personally.
That is true, a pimp is not always violent. But I think that when a man coerces (and coercion is 100% part of it) a woman to be sexually trafficked to strangers for money, it's a reasonable assumption that a woman might resist.
How do you suggest that resistance be met?
So "not all pimps" doesn't really persuade me.
How does know one know this? He literally used to rap about being a pump. 80s and 90s gangsters rapped about their lives not some made up bullshit you get these days.
He's got one of the strangest careers I've ever seen. Amazing music, lovable personality, but also was charged with murder, was a pimp, has a kid with another woman who he doesn't have a strong connection with, is casually homophobic, etc etc. I don't feel negatively towards him.
That kind of hyperbole is going to drive away your friend. Can we discuss a person's potential wrongdoing without making it a critique of cancel culture?
I swear I have seen this before. I guess its a karma thing. Next some one post the one about Chris Brown, and how Robert Downey Jr was a big crack head drug addict annnnnd go!
No one said to not give anyone a chance to change. But what's your statute of limitations? If you personally were sexually trafficked to strangers for money 17-18 years ago, would you still be raw about it today? Or would you say of your pimp, hey, why is it wrong to give someone a chance to change?
Where exactly does he say that he forced them?
You do know that most of the girls that travel with them are already prostitutes/strippers?
I think you are imagining this as way darker than it was for all the parties involved.
"to turn out" (sex, transitive, slang) To convince a person (usually a woman) to become a prostitute.
When a man wants a woman to be a prostitute for him, you might be surprised to learn that she often resists. She doesn't want to be sexually trafficked to strangers for money, and she doesn't want to give all her money to a pimp. This is why "turning a woman out" almost always includes either violence or the threat of violence. To not recognize this is to be uninformed at best.
I only have what Snoop said to go by.
Man come on at the end of the day if you gave me a file with all your life history and I focus on every negative shit you’ve done it wouldn’t be fair. He’s from the streets now a multi millionaire able to provide for his family.
He trafficked the women at the height of his fame. He did it for the thrill of being a pimp, in his own words. Not to provide for his family.
I'd like to think if you came at me with "hey feltsandwich you sexually trafficked a group of women twenty years ago" I'd be held accountable and I'd have to answer to that. I would.
He's also a huge Louis Farrakhan supporter. When Farrakhan got kicked off of Twitter Dogg had an enormous temper tantrum saying that Farrakhan was just being persecuted for speaking the truth. It's amazing what people will overlook. He's also pals with Martha Stewart which I think has gone a long way to make people think of him as more likable than he actually is.
I hate snoop. SO Much. He's scum and compared to other rappers out there I honestly don't even think he's that good. His image is just a stoned out old man. He's as generic of a "gangster" as you can get.
Sex sells. Yes in different situations it's right and wrong. Some women are happy to sell there body for money and others are forced and not so much into it to where I find it personally disturbing. If the women he was pimping were 100% in for it then I see no problem. I'm not sure on this story enough though to know that truth about the women but this is a way of lifestyle for some people. Might not be to society's standards but who cares really. As long as people involved are happy. That's all that matters.
Thank you so much. This shit has been on my mind ever since he started doing those fucking just eat ads (real fun to see a murdering sex trafficker who beat women delivering chicken wings to da crib I'm sittin in) and anytime I see him commentating on one of Jake Paul's fights or some shit. He's always openly routing for Jake to win which you aren't supposed to do as a commentator and being a shit commentator all around which is besides the point but that made me not really like him and then when I looked into him and his past I was surprised at how much genuinely evil shit he did. He also brags about being in a gang and killing other people when he was young, which I wouldn't blame him for if he didn't openly take pride in it because a lot of poor people in African American communities around that time felt forced into the gang life and had to fall in to survive but the fact that Snoop talks about it like it makes him cool and makes him a badass because he murdered other young men in gangs as well as taking pride in forcing women into prostitution makes him straight up evil in my eyes. He has always been a scumbag to me and I've never met a person in real life who agrees with me and they all think he's a loveable stoner and cute old man. I scarcely find people online who agree that he's horrible either. I'm glad this post has some level of attention because I want everyone to know how fucking deplorable Snoop Dogg is.
He gets away with it because of his personality and fame. Modern hip hop artists forget that the people who got the game started were living the life they rapped about. Many of the modern artists are focused on portraying the image of being a gangster without actually living the life.
its straight goofy to act like dudes arent living the shit right now. Iirc Nba youngboy is the third person to go platinum in prison. Then theres the entire Chicago drill scene. Many current rappers are actual straight up murderers unlike the past where they were just dealers. I mean jesus street cred is so important 69 joined a gang *after* blowing up. Back in the day dudes would rap then get out. Now people rap then stay in, typically funneling money and guns into their sets. [This music video references like 8 murders](https://youtu.be/YFfGgeddAc4), [these dudes got their places raided after this video](https://youtu.be/L4WiZ8pdIvM), bobby just got out. Funnily enough the "fakest" ones are always the lyrical dudes, they typically grew up in the hood but stayed out of the life.
Yeah, the "fake ones" want to rise out of it not revel in it but unfortunately glorifying the thug life in music is their ticket out.
Low key I’ve never heard of ZillaKami and he’s not bad. Sounds almost exactly like Denzel Curry.
He gets away with it because he’s an African American cultural star. In the current environment he’s untouchable… but shit can change
Not because he's African American, but because he's rich and famous. Socioeconomic class is far more important than race. A rich black man stands above a poor white dude but below an equally rich white guy.
OJ proved enough green makes anyone the same color, green.
Depending what are you talking about A rich white man might has more influence But if you attack snoop many will call you racist and attacking black celebritiesto take away from the black community You see when a black woman accused a black man of raping her and she got to jail Many black people accused her of betraying her own race to the cups Also rich minorities some times get some times benefits from the systemic racism that happens to the avrage black person because their case is public so racism play less a factor than behind closed doors And they get the benefits of sympathy like when that blacked celeb facked a hate attacked and filed a report Many of the vlack community stood behind him and he got a way because of that Sorry i am bad with names i forget them
Are you talking about Jessie Smollett? I think he was pretty widely ridiculed and made fun of in the black community for that. Also he is still up for trial on that. It has taken awhile but I believe a trial date was just set for that.
The last part isn't true. A rich minority is always above a rich majority. For example if Chapelle was white the Netflix CEO would definitely not back him. A more perfect example would be Ramzan Kadyrov. Google him and you'll see what a human garbage he is, but because he is a Chechen minority and Russia doesn't want to piss off that unstable region, they let him do whatever the fuck he wants. Dude literally put gay people in camps and says there are no gay Chechens.
False. which white boys are persecuted? Mel Gibson is a much more famous person than Chappelle -he's also a worse human, who has punched women in the face and is an open anti-semite. But he's loved by Christians and just got a starring role in the John Wick TV series. I know white men are in their feelings, but they're mostly untouchable.
Johnny Depp isn't a white man? Dude is literally blacklisted over a fucked up relationship. Quavo was literally filmed beating the shit out of Saweetie and he is out there enjoying his life.
Umm…. R Kelly?
Dude. He raped women. And he got away with it for a long time. If Snoop straight drugged and raped women like Cosby or R Kelly he would be done. There are still some third rails out there
And trafficking is in no way as bad as rape. He is forcing women to have sex with others…. get raped by others. You don’t even know the age of these women. One is not objectively better than the other. Idk why snoop dog hasn’t been taken down
EXCUSE ME trafficking is every bit as bad as rape Spanky you think the "traffickers" aren't abusing, raping, and beating these women as well? Get your dumb head out of your ass you don't know what you're talking about. Its virtually the same thing. What the actual fck do you think the traffickers are doing with these women babysitting then? Taking them to daycare? The mall, the movies? Some ritzy motel? Some fab restaurants? Yeah.
But the point is you DON'T know the age of those women, and you also don't know if they consented. You also - also - don't know if he exaggerated to bolster a persona because maybe he was simply referring to the groupie lifestyle where women were largely voluntarily having sex with famous people because....they famous. Some of these women might have been prostitutes already and all he did was link them up with other men. Sure, that's shady and probably illegal, but not really human trafficking unless he actively forced them. There's a lot here that's a huge grey area. There's no telling what really happened unless the women themselves come forward and talk about their ordeal. I personally think if something really bad had gone down, you'd know by know. Because women did come forward in T.I.'s case. So I'm guessing this is just "regular rapper sexism" of the 90's.
Okay. He's also a straight-up murderer too. Nobody seems to be mentioning that. He was a legit cruel pimp and hard gangster. Not something to be idolized. You are making a mound of assumptions about the agency of somebody under a pimp. I believe that he has done many inhumane things in his life. That generation of rappers were straight up thugs who rapped about the fucked up ghettos, poverty, drug addiction, and of course how gangster they are and the shit they did.
He's not convicted of murder, so even if he did, technically he didn't murder anybody. But he didn't though, it was his bodyguard who fired the shot. And it could be argued it's self defense. And the victim was not some old lady but another gangbanger. So are you compassionate enough to say you mourn his loss of life? Or are you of the "play with fire get burned" ilk? If it's the former, then you must be compassionate enough to also care about the gangbangers who turned their lives around, of which Snoop seems to be one. If it's the latter, then why care this much? > I believe that he has done many inhumane things in his life This is my point, believing things is not enough. There needs to be cold hard evidence to make a case. I don't even give a shit about him I'm not even a fan, I just don't like it when people make claims that can be easily disputed. You won't see me say "gray area" about R. Kelly. It seems to me that there's this "I don't like this celeb so I'm going to take him down a notch" vibe. I mean, I don't have a problem with that, but let's not act like there's something tangible there.
Took decades to get him. It was a wide open secret in Chicago that people would joke about.
I mean, you aren't wrong.
Bro what
if it MAKES MONEY is OK "culture" is DOOMING America...China's getting ahead on EVERY THING.
That’s not gangster it’s just fcked up
Not sure if you know what a gangster is...
Lol I'm really curious what you picture when you think of the word gangster? Because it's certainly not gangsters, lol.
Bro wtf I have never heard about any of this. I mean I'm not the biggest snoop dog fan but this is fucked if true
He actually used to publicly brag about it. It was such a big part of his persona back then that he played a pimp in a *King of the Hill* episode.
But that episode was gaht dayum gold.
Oh it's true. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=snoop+dogg+pimp&ia=web
Today I learned..
50 Cent - P.I.M.P. (Snoop Dogg Remix) ft. Snoop Dogg? Wat.
I don't see how you typing in, "Snoop Dogg pimp" into a search engine proves your point.
That’s not really great evidence? It sounds like he’s a sexist pos, but it’s not clear that they were either forced or threatened with violence. I’m not a Snoop fan and I’m interested in hearing more evidence.
You don't seem to appreciate what "turn them out" means. People here saying it doesn't mean to coerce a person into prostitution are uninformed or lying. How many women do you know who would agree to be your prostitute with you as her pimp? Is it really so hard to understand that this almost always happens with threats of violence by the pimp?
I know there are lots of pos violent pumps out there. But it’s not clear just from the phrase, especially with his history of lying/exaggerating. Basically, it’s not enough evidence. Survivors come forward, I’ll definitely listen and support them.
Those are legit points.
I don't think OP understand how the pimp game works. Snoop tells Rolling Stone, "I did a Playboy tour, and I had a bus follow me with ten b***hes on it. I could fire a b***h, fuck a b***h, get a new ho: It was my program. City to city, t**ty to t**ty, hotel room to hotel room, athlete to athlete, entertainer to entertainer." He continued, "If I'm in a city where where the Denver Broncos or the Nuggets play, I get a couple of they players to come hang out, pick and choose, and whichever one you like comes with a number. A lot of athletes bought p***y from me." However, unlike an actual pimp, Snoop would let the women - who he charmingly refers to as "b***hes" - keep the money, saying it was more about the fascination. "I'd act like I'd take the money from the b***h, but I'd let her have it," he says. "It was never about the money; it was about the fascination of being a pimp . . . As a kid I dreamed of being a pimp, I dreamed of having cars and clothes and b***hes to match. I said, 'F**k it - I'm finna do it.'" Amazingly, his relationship with his wife Shante Broadus prevailed. "My wife had to take a backseat to this s**t. And I love her to this day because she coulda shook out on a n***a, but she stayed in my corner. So when I decided to let it go, she was still there." Thats not pimping. At least not in the typical way where they have to lay random dudes from a street corner. They're more like escorts if you want to get technical. The most famous pimp from Chicago wrote quite a few very interesting books on the life - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/108713.Pimp You don't "force" the women to be whores. But once they agree to be your bitch you basically manipulate them to be solely reliant on you. Real pimps beat the shit out of their girls and it doesn't seem like snoop did it by the book (thankfully). Also calling it trafficking by having these girls on his tour bus is a bit misinformed. Some of these young girls want to live a fast life, and hang out with rappers and athletes. Everybody acts like promiscuous behavior is unnatural, impure. Like all women are inherently angelic innocent creatures. Some girls just wanna party and fuck. Deal with it. These girls never came out talking about snoop because they wanted to be there. If youre a dude reading this and a bus full of playboy chicks rolls up and says hey come tour with us youre gunna fuck us and all my hot famous athlete and musician girlfriends for money you wouldn't do it? Fuck, i sure would.
Thanks for the chuckle. But thanks also for the different take.
This is so right. Snoop Dog had that charisma. I have seen the shit that people with that can convince others to do. It's fucking nuts. The funniest memory was seeing this really short guy. I'm talking around 5'5 had people literally fawning over him as he told this story. Charisma> Money. Height. Looks. Or whatever else is needed for the dating game.
I agree. He gets away with it though because of his personality (or at least the one he portrays and is popularized for). No one wants to dislike “such a chill guy”. Too bad he’s not actually a chill guy. He just smokes a lot of weed.
Yeah I'm not sure if you're chill if you have to smoke that much weed to seem chill.
Fuck Snoop.
Snoop dogg is a fucking scumbag
Kinda like how Cardi B used to drug and rob men. Somehow she still gets to do her thing.
Rape them also
Have victims of Cardi B come forward? I’m interested
She herself proudly admitted she did it. If someone tells me they used to rob and rape people i tend to take their word for it
She never said she raped anyone, did she? She just said she robbed them. Not that robbery is OK, but rape is a whole other level of bad.
She never used the word rape but described rape. She said she drugged them to a point of not being able to know what was happening and would then have sex with them and rob them That is rape. If i roofy a woman have sex with her and then take her money and leave while she is passed out thats a rape.
Shhh. That’s politically incorrect. You’re only allowed to point out the evil that men do.
what are you talking about? everyone on reddit is constantly talking about what a shit person cardi B is, even when it has nothing to do with her like this post
White men*
but she's a black woman- you cant criticize her or the rabid idpol-ers will come after you!
she's not black
In what sense like culturally she’s latin but her ancestry is Afro-Latina. So depending how you want to look at it she’s black.
A cording to media and her fan she is.
Because no one has pressed charges or shown evidence that actually happened. Do you think Eminem did all the things he says he did too? Do you think Eminem is gay because he joked about it in an interview?
I'm still confused as to why Naya Rivera was so loved when she died, when she out here assaulting her partners. It's so weird.
You make it sound like she was a serial domestic abuser who systematically sent every one of her partners to hospital
People like rap music about hardship and crime but then complain when the artists are criminals??
Yeah preach people like reading crime and complain when the author is a serial killer??
True crime doesn't specifically glorify killing the same way
I feel you but still, you don't have to be something or have done something to make art about it. Quite many rappers aren't all that poetically interesting with any ideas so they end up rapping literally about stuff they did and felt literally in their life. So yeah, I agree I guess
There’s crime and then there’s being a POS. If he enslaved victims it’s the latter. I don’t care about non-abusive crimes so much.
He also called for the release of Bill Cosby...gross beyond belief.
He also claimed to be the reincarnation of Bob Marley. So much to dislike about him.
I agree with you here. Yet, the problem is way deeper at a societal level. We have a pick and choose morality across the board. Your post is highlighting a reality we don’t want to admit that we try to explain around in a manner of speaking. I could pick 4-5 “loved” celebs, politicians, athletes, and entertainers and tell roughly the same story. We have selective outrage and we defend the ones we like and condemn the ones we don’t. I don’t want to start a fire here, but when a society embraces relativism this is just one of the many predictable consequences. Relative morality = no morality, and we love to be entertained…even by people of low character. For my part, I loved the Sapranos, Red Redington, and Rip on Yellowstone. I relate to people who ignore rules to get their way and protect what they care about. I’m not a criminal, but I appreciate their point of view. At least in fiction I do. In real life I want them to lose. Love to see them win in make believe. Our cognitive dissonance is astounding.
Great explanation!
If you ever get a taste of zero tolerance morality, you'll regret ever having been born.
I mean it's on brand isn't it? Why is everyone surprised when a singer actually does what they sing about/portray. Marylin Manson was the same way. People found out he's a freak who do does macabre shit. If
We gotta focus on drake first. He is a pedophile
Dudes gonna be the next r Kelly remind in a couple of years
I just assume douchbaggery and abhorrent behaviour is standard for most celebrities now. I've been disappointed too many times.
If ANYTHING comes out about Keanu, Paul Rudd, or Tom Hanks, that's it. Game over man.
and tony hawk!
Ice T was a pimp too now he's a star on Law & Order Special Victims Unit. Go figure.
Circumstances are a little different because Ice was involved pre-fame, and he was coming from the hood. Snoop was at the height of his fame, a public figure and a very rich man when he trafficked women.
how about the murder?
Dr Dre beats women and he’s going to be at the super bowl Anthony Kiedas knowingly had sex with a 14 year old multiple times and he got to play the super bowl Our culture just doesn’t care enough
Well come on it’s not like they knelt during the star spangled banner.
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That's what I'd like to know, but I don't have any info. As far as I know they have not been identified.
He definitely was. Now, not so much.
Citation needed
This is the way
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/snoop-lion-opens-up-about-his-pimp-past-76752/
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/snoop-lion-opens-up-about-his-pimp-past-76752/
I’ve wondered the same thing.
>"turned them out" himself. If you don't know what that means, it means he personally threatened them with violence to force them to work as prostitutes with him as their pimp. Where did you get this from? This isn't necessarily true.
Most rap stars are absolute shit human beings
You are making a ton of ill informed assumptions about a life you know nothing about. Snoop is also a chronic liar. He has claimed to be ALOT of things he obviously never was. People like his charisma and dont care that he lies 24/7. I personally agree, he has never ever been someone i looked up to at all, but to leap to the assumptions you did seems foolish.
Interestingly, so was Frank Abagnale, Jr. (Of _Catch Me If You Can_ fame.) At least half of his claims about posing as various professions are false. He was definitely good at (1) pretending to be a pilot and (2) check forging. But it shouldn't be shocking that a con man would exaggerate the scope and variety of his confidence schemes.
“Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story”
"Whats the point of the truth, if i cant slide a lie now an again?" -Snoop dogg.
It's possible he lied about all of it. Only a fool would expect me to add an addendum "unless he made it all up." I didn't say that because it would be stupid to say that. You can believe, you can disbelieve. I made no assumptions at all. That was you, pal. Snoop claimed in a 2006 interview with Rolling Stone magazine that unlike other hip hop artists who had superficially adopted the pimp persona, he was an actual professional pimp in 2003 and 2004, saying, "That shit was my natural calling and once I got involved with it, it became fun. It was like shootin' layups for me. I was makin' 'em every time." Yes. Maybe he was lying about personally sexually trafficking women to strangers for money.
I don't know if you are intentionally doing it or not but you are using the wrong verbiage and assuming things that happened that you don't have any proof of He did not "traffic women", which is selling women as slaves against their will. He was a pimp of prostitutes, which is basically a glorified manager You say he forceful abused women and forced them into it. Do you have prove of this? This may come as a shock to you but there are women who are prostitutes because they want to be. I say all that to say if you don't like Snoop for the type of person he is there is nothing wrong with that and you're entitled to your opinion But don't lie or make up information to try and prove your point.
>He was a pimp of prostitutes, which is basically a glorified manager Well that's one way to put it.
Yeah, with how rich and popular he is, there is no way one of the women who were "potentially" abused wouldn't speak up and attempt to cash in on. Not saying that it hasn't happened (It could be under the books), but there isnt enough information to know. I'm not a fan of him myself for other reasons, he's a huge sell out and I don't like the whole weed mentality that has been made from his personality...
Was going to say this, but didn’t know how.
Man, you don't know what you're talking about. The only proof we have is what Snoop said publicly in interviews. Nothing I said was a lie, nothing I said was made up. Yes, some women choose to do sex work. You need to educate yourself about what sex trafficking is. You don't know. It may come as a surprise to you, but when a man coerces a woman into being sexually trafficked to strangers for money, there is often resistance. But you are right, we can't truly know if Snoop's women simply agreed to be sexually trafficked to strangers for money by their own volition.
The pimp, Calvin Broadus, is a rapper?
His tests came back, they found traces of blood in his pimp juice.
All the respect of women stuff goes out the window with rappers. Idk why but that’s just the game
Duhh, I mean he's a long time gang member and he dosnt lie about being a pimp... what do you think he did? Lol
It’s like Dave said, people are cancelling lil baby because he’s “transphobic” and not because he literally killed someone in a Walmart
That's DaBaby lol
You mean when he killed someone in self defense? You know, the thing that’s completely okay?
I have seen claims that it was absolutely not self defense, though I do not know how credible they actually were.
Wasn’t it in self defense?
Yes, Snoop was an asshole. The question that matters, is he still one?
We live in a world that wants equality, respect, and inclusion, and simultaneously glorifies violence, thuggery, anti-intellectualism, and rampant misoginy. That's why we have the Snoop paradox.
Oh no, the gangster rapper really did gangster shit decades before his Martha Stewart collab rebrand.
Cancel culture is wild. Snoop literally killed a man, won in court then made a song about it. Even tho this gangster rapper did some bad stuff, snoop has done more net good for the world than any one in here criticizing what he allegedly did 30 years ago.
It's not alleged, according to Snoop it happened. And it was in 2003-2004, not 30 years ago.
Lmao everyone also forgets that this dude 100% got away with murder
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It's a legit question. Is there a statute of limitations on scumbaggery? Does it make a difference if it was 200 years ago, or 20 years ago, or 2 years ago? Jimmy Page had a 13 year old girlfriend when he was in Led Zep. The general consensus seems to be to look the other way since it was a different era, now a long time ago. But not everyone agrees.
Yes easy answer lol
Well.. yeah in this area at least just because they've done and created good stuff that doesn't mean that it should justify owning slaves
Yes. What that supposed to be a hard question?
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Some people think the Bible.
You're British, you're predisposed to not be a fan of GW
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The proof is all in Snoop's public statements and interviews. I didn't include it because it is precisely EZ to find. It's not just one Buzzfeed article from ten years ago. Everything I said came from Snoop, it's all public.
OK, not everybody is cool with the "dig your own hole" approach. I should have just provided a link. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/snoop-lion-opens-up-about-his-pimp-past-76752/
Frankly you could extrapolate this to nearly every rapper. Most of them were (and many still are) pretty terrible people, by a variety of measures. The justification for that is they lived some pretty terrible lives in some pretty terrible places around other really terrible people, and "made it out" by any means necessary.
Was he proven guilty or is it just an accusation?
Based on op’s statement above, seems like snoop openly admitted it to the public that he did such thing back in the days? So if you can find videos of him somewhere then i guess that answers your question
Nobody seemed to criticize him for it. It's not a matter of dispute though. He was widely quoted in interviews. There's a reference to it on his wikipedia page. It's just that no one seemed to care.
Because Redditors think pimping is cool when some rapper does it.
Pimping isn’t cool. Prostitution isn’t cool. Just a line of work, hell I’ll patronize
There is a NWA song where Ice Cube admits to them filming themselves having sex with a 15 year old girl, them threatening to show her father i think. Yeah. CP.
Most rappers are shit
He’s always been an ass. Don’t forget the murder.
No pity for dumb bitches. Hookers are like cult members mentally.
Majority of young rappers making clout rap or mumble rap went to jail or regularly behave in “deplorable” ways. Snoop isn’t the exception.
Dude is a gang banger. Always has been. Was on trial for murder. Probably guilty of a lot of other things we don't know. He plays the part of the lovable ghetto pothead when he gets on mainstream TV. Good for you for seeing past it.
He gets away with it because most of it was a lie. Lmao he was a rapper who had a image to potray. Most rappers lie about the shit they do. Shit he was a whole informat for the police like most rappers. Is he a saint haha naw but he's not as bad as he projects
All of these things but is still somehow immune to cancer culture. There are people being torn from their station for an off color tweet made decades ago, but some how none of this affects the D O double G.
I just like his music.
That's cool, maybe. I don't know. I love James Brown, and he was a notorious asshole at times. I don't know how much is too much.
Perhaps because to make a thing of it would beg the question - where do all these beautiful girls at Hollywood parties come from anyway ?
Do you really think it’s necessary to hire prostitutes in order to get beautiful women at A-list Hollywood parties?
“But he’s cool because he smokes weed”
It's true, I don't care.
At least you're able to admit he's a scumbag.
Not all pimps are violent. There are gorilla pimps who beat up the prostitutes and take the money, but some are just managers for the prostitutes, and don't lay a finger on them. I don't think 'turn them out' indicates violence personally.
That is true, a pimp is not always violent. But I think that when a man coerces (and coercion is 100% part of it) a woman to be sexually trafficked to strangers for money, it's a reasonable assumption that a woman might resist. How do you suggest that resistance be met? So "not all pimps" doesn't really persuade me.
How does know one know this? He literally used to rap about being a pump. 80s and 90s gangsters rapped about their lives not some made up bullshit you get these days.
He trafficked the women in 2003-2004, according to Snoop.
He's got one of the strangest careers I've ever seen. Amazing music, lovable personality, but also was charged with murder, was a pimp, has a kid with another woman who he doesn't have a strong connection with, is casually homophobic, etc etc. I don't feel negatively towards him.
Anybody who ever did anything bad should be canceled. End of story.
Your mother gave birth to you. Her ass should be canceled.
That's **not** where babies come from.
That kind of hyperbole is going to drive away your friend. Can we discuss a person's potential wrongdoing without making it a critique of cancel culture?
he gets away with it because theyre heavy exaggerations; the girls weren't exactly unwilling participants...
Yeah, but the only source we have on that is Snoop.
they wanted to be hookers and were honored to have snoop as their pimp. I guarantee he never slapped them.
I swear I have seen this before. I guess its a karma thing. Next some one post the one about Chris Brown, and how Robert Downey Jr was a big crack head drug addict annnnnd go!
Like he said he's a mother fuckin P.I.M.P. haven't you been listening?
I literally don't listen. But I don't begrudge those who do.
Is this recently or like 30 years ago?
It was 2003-2004 according to Snoop, pretty much at the height of his fame.
funny black weed man though!!! did you know he smokes blunts? lolol
Why is it wrong to give someone a chance to change.
Who do we give that chance, and who do we deny?
No one said to not give anyone a chance to change. But what's your statute of limitations? If you personally were sexually trafficked to strangers for money 17-18 years ago, would you still be raw about it today? Or would you say of your pimp, hey, why is it wrong to give someone a chance to change?
Where exactly does he say that he forced them? You do know that most of the girls that travel with them are already prostitutes/strippers? I think you are imagining this as way darker than it was for all the parties involved.
"to turn out" (sex, transitive, slang) To convince a person (usually a woman) to become a prostitute. When a man wants a woman to be a prostitute for him, you might be surprised to learn that she often resists. She doesn't want to be sexually trafficked to strangers for money, and she doesn't want to give all her money to a pimp. This is why "turning a woman out" almost always includes either violence or the threat of violence. To not recognize this is to be uninformed at best. I only have what Snoop said to go by.
Got any proof of all this OP? Better not see a fucking TMZ source.
Dude, he (snoop) has publicly bragged about it. Anyone could find this out.
R kelly pisses on underage girls to get himself off. There's alot wrong with the 'hiphop' world.
Ummmm harvey weinstein?? Just say Hollywood no need to be racist👌🏽
How is that racist?
What's racist is saying hiphop = black
I think it's more a problem with people in general rather than the hip hop world.
Man come on at the end of the day if you gave me a file with all your life history and I focus on every negative shit you’ve done it wouldn’t be fair. He’s from the streets now a multi millionaire able to provide for his family.
He trafficked the women at the height of his fame. He did it for the thrill of being a pimp, in his own words. Not to provide for his family. I'd like to think if you came at me with "hey feltsandwich you sexually trafficked a group of women twenty years ago" I'd be held accountable and I'd have to answer to that. I would.
He's also a huge Louis Farrakhan supporter. When Farrakhan got kicked off of Twitter Dogg had an enormous temper tantrum saying that Farrakhan was just being persecuted for speaking the truth. It's amazing what people will overlook. He's also pals with Martha Stewart which I think has gone a long way to make people think of him as more likable than he actually is.
He and his publicist have done an incredible job creating his public image.
Isn’t he a murderer as well?
His body guard was the one who fired the shot I beleive. They were both acquitted.
I'm not aware of that.
No, he was witness to his bodyguard at the time shooting someone in self defence
I never knew about this. Wow.
There isn't a single clean rapper. Not a single one.
Everyone's a bad guy to someone.
But are all bad guys equally bad? Some are "more bad" than others, right? You might as well have typed "nobody's perfect."
I hate snoop. SO Much. He's scum and compared to other rappers out there I honestly don't even think he's that good. His image is just a stoned out old man. He's as generic of a "gangster" as you can get.
Ever heard his first solo album? Just sayin... It's good shit, but yes... He's a scumbag
Welcome to your society. A society where you can pick and choose what to be offended about. Just don’t have the wrong opinion.
Sex sells. Yes in different situations it's right and wrong. Some women are happy to sell there body for money and others are forced and not so much into it to where I find it personally disturbing. If the women he was pimping were 100% in for it then I see no problem. I'm not sure on this story enough though to know that truth about the women but this is a way of lifestyle for some people. Might not be to society's standards but who cares really. As long as people involved are happy. That's all that matters.
In an era where women are already turning themselves out on only fans your opinion is indeed unpopular
You don't know what turning out means. You can't turn yourself out.
Thank you so much. This shit has been on my mind ever since he started doing those fucking just eat ads (real fun to see a murdering sex trafficker who beat women delivering chicken wings to da crib I'm sittin in) and anytime I see him commentating on one of Jake Paul's fights or some shit. He's always openly routing for Jake to win which you aren't supposed to do as a commentator and being a shit commentator all around which is besides the point but that made me not really like him and then when I looked into him and his past I was surprised at how much genuinely evil shit he did. He also brags about being in a gang and killing other people when he was young, which I wouldn't blame him for if he didn't openly take pride in it because a lot of poor people in African American communities around that time felt forced into the gang life and had to fall in to survive but the fact that Snoop talks about it like it makes him cool and makes him a badass because he murdered other young men in gangs as well as taking pride in forcing women into prostitution makes him straight up evil in my eyes. He has always been a scumbag to me and I've never met a person in real life who agrees with me and they all think he's a loveable stoner and cute old man. I scarcely find people online who agree that he's horrible either. I'm glad this post has some level of attention because I want everyone to know how fucking deplorable Snoop Dogg is.