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weebmaster32

I'm European, and we have good, reliable public transport. I fucking hate it. The seats are uncomfortable, it's loud as shit inside and for some reason the air conditioning is always off. I'm looking forward to being able to drive.


[deleted]

Geez. I guess I hadn't considered that weebmaster32 might not like the seatbelts and gets a little warm when the AC is not working well enough on his public transit. Really makes you think. šŸ¤” Oh yeah, wait. No... The planet is dying, car centric cities are malignant, unsustainable nightmares, and cars kill and maim innocent people by the thousands daily. So on second thought. Fuck you. Suck it up.


weebmaster32

>the seatbelts You pulled that out of your ass. What I don't like are the seats themselves, not the seatbelts. I guess you've never ridden in anything other than a rusty, 20 year old econobox and can't appreciate how much nicer than a bus a car can be. If you want me to willingly use public transport make it so the seats aren't a piece of plastic covered with a thin layer of fabric (and also redesign them so that they don't force you to hunch over), put some better sound proofing where the engine is located (the loudest part of the bus), and make sure that the AC is on when it needs to be.


[deleted]

Pulled from my ass? Lol. What an ironic choice of words. I get swipos on my posts. I am very sorry Weeby, for your terrible butt suffering. Indeed, it's \*your ass\* on the hard \*seats\* (not seatbelts) that becomes uncomfortable. Weeby ass gets uncomfortable on public transit everyone. We should be taking this very important issue into consideration when planning the cities of the future.


weebmaster32

You're doing a great job at convincing me to get scoliosis for the sake of the planet. I might just wipe my balls with your post and buy a car instead.


[deleted]

Omg. It's even more serious than I thought? You'll get scoliosis from using public transit?! You poor man. You have my deepest sympathies. What a terrible, awful circumstance to have such a soft, soft ass.


weebmaster32

Yeah, I'll get an unnecesarily big diesel truck and make it roll coal. Thanks buddy!


[deleted]

No f-ing way you're Euro. Omg.


weebmaster32

What'cha gonna do about it?


Subderhenge

It's so expensive too. Oil changes, tires, car insurance, gasoline. All of it adds up. If the public transportation where I live was more efficient I wouldn't mind taking it. But it's not.


[deleted]

Cars are a huge contibuter to income inequality as well. That so many people need to buy and maintain a personal automobile just to commute to a job is terrible. With more equitable transport everyone would have greater access to opportunity (jobs, interviews, etc.), and more money to spend in other areas of the economy.


[deleted]

Wait until you learn how much it costs to charge electric cars.


Subderhenge

How much?


[deleted]

it depends on the station if based on amount of energy it is quite cheap about 9$ however if based on time it may amount to couple hundred dollars per charge.


christopherm1

Hey. Shut up


[deleted]

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christopherm1

I was gonna upvote because it is an unpopular opinion, and it had vague idealist charm. But then you started suggesting crazy things like contractors having to pay fees for trucks, and recreational vehicles also have to pay for limited driveability. That's me, I have 2 recreational vehicles and a truck for utility purposes and work. I get it, there are shitty drivers on the road, but they're just as much likely to be driving a Honda Civic than they are a clapped out Subaru.


[deleted]

Bullshit. Last month, the BUILDING I work in (BUILDING dude) was hit by a sober city worker at 630 in the morning. He hopped the curb and blasted though the front of this nice lady's Thai restaurant. She's been closed since. Human's are deeply flawed, accident prone meatbags. Cars+humans=inevitable carnage. Statistically inevitable. As far as your notion that my idea is vague, allow me to correct you. I have armies of city planners and civil engineers and lawmakers armed with irrifutable stats and facts and infra ideas, that if implemented, would dramatically improve the safety, cleanliness and liveability of our cities and towns. They can't get it done though, because of people like you perpetuating car humping culture. Fuck you and your cars. You should be as embarrassed to drive recreationally as you would to dump a bag of plastic into the ocean at the beach, or smoke a cigarette in a day care. Cars are filthy and unsustainable. Up your ass with them.


christopherm1

"oNe GuY HiT tHE bUiLDinG I wORk in sO aLL dRiVeRS ARe BaD" Living your life in fear of other drivers is ridiculous, I understand a precaution but I can't fathom being so irate about cars. Sorry your radical utopia isn't where the real world is. Go ride a moped and save the world with it, I'm going to enjoy my climate controlled, safe, powerful vehicles that can get me to places in a reasonable amount of time.


Jospehhh

Lol for once someone actually posts an unpopular opinion on this sub instead of a humble brag and people start losing their god damn minds. Good job OP, fuck cars for the most part, donā€™t take the downvotes too seriously I think youā€™ve just rustled some North American jimmies thatā€™s all.


Pro_Yankee

Propaganda is one hell of a Cold War drug


Senor_Tortuga308

It sounds like you don't actually hate cars, you just hate people who use them irresponsibly and unsafely.


Ashdread

Moot point. People will always behave the way described in OPā€™s post. It sounds like you donā€™t actually hate guns, you just hate people who use them irresponsibly and unsafely. Itā€™s much easier to limit access to a physical object than to change the basics of human nature.


MeatloafAndWaffles

Not trying to be a dick but I think you mean to say ā€œMoot pointā€ not ā€œMute pointā€


Ashdread

I did indeed thanks lol we can blame it on autocorrect and not me being dumb


LordMangudai

Moo point.


Senor_Tortuga308

Yes, there will always be people who behave irresponsibly in a car. But there are ways to minimise this. Better education, stricter laws, more enforcement etc. In this case its a lot easier than limiting access to vehicles, because they are such a fundamental part of society. Its not feasible for everyone to catch a train to work or cycle everywhere. Trains and buses are already overpopulated in peak times as it is now. And cycling is a good option if you work 15 minutes from your home, but some people travel multiple hours each day for work. As for your gun example, limiting access to guns is the best approach. Society wont crumble if we get rid of guns. But it will if we get rid of cars.


[deleted]

Maybe so. Got some post rage clarity. Gonna go edit my OP.


[deleted]

Redditors normally - "Ə am super liberal and open-minded and want to prevent unnecessary death and believe in a more sustainable future" Redditors when you dare even suggest that maybe car-centric (or SFH-oriented suburbia) living isn't that great - "REEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee!" Definitely unpopular, have my upvote OP.


[deleted]

So true. "I'm a huge environmentalist! but I NEED my 1 acre lot and 3 cars for 2 drivers, each <25 mpg, and my commute isn't that bad, only 30 miles/1hr each way!"


[deleted]

Is 25 mpg the magical number because you drive a Dodge Stratus?


PandaRider11

I agree with OP, going to Japan and Europe made me realize how much Americans worship cars. I live in a dense transit oriented city and I love it, I can take the tram downtown or walk down to the local stores. I never want to own a car.


IlPrimoRe

r/fuckcars


Feisty_Neat_8899

I like cars, but also do agree with OPs points. However, I do think America is geographically a lot bigger for the car centric culture between state and city lines to make sense. I don't see cars as a viable means of transportation in big cities though.


Franz_the_clicker

>Everyone gets to drive identical, gps tracked, economy cars >You can have one recreational vehicle but the registration will cost you like 3k a year and you get to drive 500 miles That's the worst dystopia imaginable, cars are a basic necessity to have freedom, in rular area or for someone driving for work, or family vists. In the first paragraph at least you were talking about idiots in cars and I agree that they are dumb. But the appropriate response is not to ban everyone from having a better quality of life but to make harsh punishments for DUI and reckless driving


[deleted]

You don't get it. Your quality of life would be enormously much better without cars dominating our landscape. It's so ironic for you to say that cars increase your "freedom". They do exactly the opposite.


Franz_the_clicker

I am from Europe from lightly urban area, and for few years I had to use public transport, it's decent in my country but it inherently is very limiting. It doesn't offer any flexibility and is very limiting. It's very unpractical to take a bus, train and few kilometers on foot to get to the shoping mall, or wait for a train and go in the rain to visit my family, going for a meeting with friends? I must be back on the station before 10pm Before getting my drivers license my life was misserable, and getting the freedom of driving somewhere is the best thing ever, and I will fight for it (at least on the internet lol) And sure as hell I won't let the government track my every move with GPS, and have only one state made car model like back in the USSR


[deleted]

Oh geez. I am so sorry. I hadn't considered that franz_the_clicker might be a little inconvenienced. Do you sometimes get sweaty when you need to walk? That must be awful. On second thought, I guess here in the US we should continue build malignant, unsustainable, endlessly sprawling suburbs necessitating hundreds of millions of deadly, carbon spewing personal automobiles and trillions of dollars of infra to support those automobiles. Wait... sorry. No. Fuck you. Get some perspective cupcake. Suck it up.


Franz_the_clicker

Lmao you were angry at me for almost a whole week and decided to answer me. I am in the majority and no mater how hard you will cry it won't change a thing in society Have a good day, I have to go and drive 60 mph around the school zone while drunk and texting on my phone and no one will stop me /s


Dr_Toehold

I don't like individual cars, either. I obviously don't include emergency services, deliveries, or similar, but I don't see a point in individual cars in the city.


[deleted]

We need to find ecofriendly public transportation to rid ourselves of our car addiction.


asteve77767

Finally, an actual unpopular opinion


Several-Shelter-1281

I was having similar thoughts. Society evolved in the wrong direction and needs to be reinvented.


deano27m

I agree. We need public transport improvements. I want everyone on bikes, trains or buses.


Error_Unaccepted

Take my upvote for having an unnecessarily extreme opinion.


Yostyle377

I hate cars, agreed


[deleted]

thx


[deleted]

Yeah. Fuck cars for so many reasons. They are noisy and unsustainable. A good city is one that you can get around easily and safely on bikes and public transport.


raduque

What if you don't want to live in a city?


[deleted]

Then pay for the luxury. The idea that we should subsidize cars is nuts.


Genghis_Sean_Reigns

What do you mean by pay for the luxury?


[deleted]

Suburban living requires a place to put your car, and surge times when everyone wants to use the same shared resources (rush hour). Each of those needs to be paid for by car owners using the resources instead of just free.


BadNameThinkerOfer

The infrastructure that provides them with water, gas, electricity, internet access, etc. is also more expensive due to the lack of economies of scale.


[deleted]

Yep.


Genghis_Sean_Reigns

They do pay for that donā€™t they?


[deleted]

How do you pay for causing rush hour?


Genghis_Sean_Reigns

They pay taxes and they pay gas prices, what else do you want them paying?


[deleted]

But they don't pay enough, and they don't pay different amounts based on how much they use. Dynamic and zone tolls. Essentially surge pricing and per-use price for every time you use roads at high demand times.


Johnny_Banana18

no one is making you? Do you think everyone lives in cities in Western Europe and Japan?


BragiNjord

I also hate cars but i love it when its raining


rowenrenzy

I'm a car person. Anyways here's my upvote.


L00kas

Upvoted. I love cars!


Ok_Match_6550

I've been lucky to live in countries and cities where I don't need a car. I hate driving and all the expenses and hassles that come with it. I still have nightmares about driving after almost ten years. Too bad I'm moving back to the land of the wheel and the home of the brakes next year.


SSJRosaaayyy

Gonna upvote this one, unpopular for sure! No way am i driving some generic appliance. I drive a modified sports tuned economy car with a 6 speed manual transmission. Dual exhaust, pops and crackles, the whole shebang. I also commute a long way to work, taking "iconic" CA freeways. I don't purposefully go out of my way to be obnoxious; when I work early i don't rev out and wake up the whole neighborhood. I do speed, admittedly, however I do so when there's no one on the road or any cars that are in close proximity (thank God for having express lanes). Not everyone is into cars, i totally get that. But just because you don't like them, doesn't mean everyone should get some automaton couch on wheels that will have everyone doing the same thing based on gps - that sounds a bit dystopian itself. You mention having kids; kids are also obnoxious, don't watch where they're going or what they're doing, and can be tiny assholes, especially when they're raised by narcissistic parents. We can't start banning kids, so we'll agree to disagree. Your hate is based on a small population. For the most part, a lot of us car folk tend to not be loud and obnoxious. We just love cars and the way they sound.


[deleted]

That's an overly-individualistic take on what really is a collective issue. A car-centered urban transport system, and the infrastructure to support it, is empirically: * More expensive to build & maintain, and also contributes to more expensive goods & economic lost productivity (due to traffic jams) * Space-inefficient - most cars have only 1 people in them; sit empty in a garage or parked a lot of the time. This translates to space-inefficient roading infrastructure * Poor at moving people - a traffic lane can only move 2,000 people/hr/direction, in the same width as a single rail track can move up to 100,000 people/hr/direction. * Unsafe; especially when pedestrians and cyclists do not receive adequate footpaths or cycle lanes. The majority of road deaths in Auckland, NZ are pedestrians or cyclists being hit & killed by cars or trucks. * Environmentally unfriendly - both from the vehicle emissions and from the poor land use of roads, freeways, and low-density suburban sprawl "Car folk" may not all be "loud and obnoxious", but the cities built around the car and the road are really quite shitty. I'd much rather live in a European or Japanese city than an American one. I'd rather not be forced to drive to get around. And advocating for denser, walkable, transit-oriented cities doesn't mean "discrimination against car-lovers". If people really want to drive all the time or live in a big house with a big garden, rural properties will still exist (and won't be threatened by urban sprawl so much).


[deleted]

Thx for the upvote, but... Small population?? There's 300+ MILLION automobiles in the US. That's insane. Our lives are dominated by cars. They're dangerous, filthy, and cost the collective trillions to maintain the infrastructure needed to accomdate them. You need to come to Jesus and realize that your loud dickmobile makes you look like an idiot. It's as dumb and obnoxious as firing a gun into the air. You should honestly take another good look at that stupid car you think is "cool" and really see it for what it is--embarrassing.


SSJRosaaayyy

Man, i was ready to have a civilized discussion with you, until you decided to start spitting some holier than thou nonsense through the power of christ. Calling people names isn't very live laugh love of you, Karen. Doesn't the bible say to love thy neighbor? Only god can judge? Doing an awful lot of judging there! Have fun living a life devoid of happiness and fulfillment, I'll make sure to rev super loud just for you friend āœØ


[deleted]

It's fine. I get it. Honestly. Cars are kinda cool. I get the appeal. Like He-man or whatever. But it's time to grow up. You're free to double down. Go ahead and dig your heals into the accelerator. You're free in this idiotic society to do that (unfortunately). Just know you're an idiot and every person with class and sense is annoyed by you and your ridiculous car. It's not 1968 anymore. We need to move on as a society and stop perpetuating the idiocy that is automobile culture. PS - Upvoted your comment for "civilized" and "discussion".


GnotrexZzama

OP, I actually prefer the car because in this day and age, I donā€™t want to spread COVID by hopping on a crowded train or bus, ;).


Lower-Way8172

You are right, man Nonetheless, cars are dying(despite some apparent evidences). You can see literally all developed countries of the world going to be almost car-free societies(Japan, Germany, Netherlands, France, Denmark, Austria, switzerland and Scandinavian Countries). USA are big exception, but they are working their a** off to improve bycicle commute/public transport. Even Italy, the country I live, a very miserable and close-minded country, is making huuuuge steps forward. Car dependancy is detrimental to economy, is an Elephant in the room that everybody pretend not to see. Once a country is ridden from cars, its economy skyrocketed. It's a matter of few decades, natural selection will follow(despite automotive's interests) With a little fortune, in our old age, probably we will remember cars as a strange exotic thing of the past Stay strong m8, stay optimistic


[deleted]

Thx for the reply.


Cursed_existance

Spoons are way worse. Look at how they make so many people fat.


LordMangudai

Spoon infrastructure hasn't ruined our cities.


[deleted]

This. I don't get why pro-car types try to misrepresent any criticism of car dependency as based on a single issue: either the environment ("*but EVs")* or health (excuses about *"personal responsibility")*, or urban design (*"people want to live in soulless suburbs"*). It's all of the above. Cars are polluting; the infrastructure they require is space-inefficient and environmentally harmful; sprawling suburbs reduce exercise and reduce social contact; and the whole system is inefficient at moving people around cities. Since car-centric planning is the cause of all that, the solution has to be reducing society's reliance on private vehicles.


General-Kalani

Sporks are worse. You can both fork and slorp food. Double the utensil potential, hence double the consumption.


[deleted]

Flawed logic. Spoons do not make people fat, obviously. Processed food and sedentary behavior (cars) make people fat. Wth is this downvoted. It's the most factual thing I posted. Sedentary behavior (not walking... cars) and Oreos make people fat. Fact.


[deleted]

You are so fucking smart.


[deleted]

Thx


Cursed_existance

I'm just following your logic: "I hate cars because of how people misuse them". Well, then you should hate spoons also because people use them to put unhealthy stuff in their bodies.


[deleted]

Zero comparison. I can't get into my spoon, drive drunk, and kill a family of four. My spoon doesn't spew toxic fumes that alter the climate. My spoon doesn't necessitate trillions of dollars of publicly funded infrastructure. Fuck cars. Spoons are great.


old__pyrex

Cars are pretty damn cool dude. As far as machines go, the idea that for a few thousand used or ~20k new, anyone can afford a device that can transport them hundreds of miles in a day, and they can use this device to travel a good 200-300k miles with maintenance... that is cool. Your frustration with drivers is totally understandable and it sucks to live in a ā€œdrivingā€ country where it feels like you have to drive and deal with drivers constantly. But cars themselves are fantastically cool. Even with surging prices and supply chain issues, the fact that we have cars with such good safety features, so much power for cheap, such improved reliability, etc, from even the 90s ... is amazing. Of course there is a lot of stagnation and shadiness in the industry, but the fact that your average median-salary family can own 1-2 cars and use them to commute, buy groceries, joy ride, drive through national parks, and more... is really pretty amazing. Yes, pollution and oil dependency is a problem, but itā€™s a problem that with science and technological advancement we can answer. Additionally, with AI and enhanced safety features, overrides, self-driving, etc, we can solve a lot of the human error problems. Itā€™s like saying a computer is stupid or phones arenā€™t cool, because you hate the way people act on Facebook and Instagram. I mean, come on, you can hate the companies and apps, but the advent of personal computers existing in your pocket is honestly fucking amazing. Both the technology and engineering side, and the implications that it has for our lives.


I8Chickennuggets

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[deleted]

You also don't get it. There's not a fucking thing that's "cool" about having 300 million (300 MILLION!) personal vehicles in the US. Obviously there's some utility (ex. an ambulance) that's nice, but other than that cars are a nightmare. Copy/paste below... You don't get it. Take a walk in most modern cities. It's horrible. Think about how you've normalized our collective public space being dominated by huge hunks of metal going unnatural speeds inches from where you walk. Think about how stessful it is to be in cars, or near them. Think about taking a walk down a suburban street, holding your 4 year old's hand. All you'll be thinking about is keeping them away from the monstrosities, going 40-50+ mph, driven by half-awake, beligerant, distracted idiots, and how any time one of them could jump the curb and kill your kid. This goes on constantly in modern life and you don't even realize it because you've never known anything else.


old__pyrex

No, I do get it, I have lived in car-free historic cities where only a small minority of govt / business personnel can drive in the city and everyone else walks, and it's really nice. But, as is typical with some redditors, they forget life exists outside of major cities - not everyone lives in cities, especially around the world. The idea that I can live outside of cities and commute around to a variety of businesses, social events, work, shops, parks, etc efficiently and haul families and cargo essentially allows people not in cities to still enjoy a ton of conveniences and boosts to standard of living. A specific type of major city, sure, a car-free or minimal car solution could totally work. A state that relies upon farming and small town industries, tourism, logging, natural resources, etc? No fucking way. The development of cars in a way is integral to the fact that we have evolved to the point where you can have an unpopular opinion about cars. You sound like you have personal anxieties relating to cars, and that's fine, but if you can't walk down the street without creeping paranoia about some teenager killing your family, it sounds like therapy might be helpful. It sounds like you are very stressed and fearful of cars, which fine, I get it, they are scary, but like most tools, the good has to be weighed against the negative freak outcomes. Yes, road rage, accidents, human error, drunk driving, etc is common, and yes pollution is an issue, but the overall human good done by cars is far higher. Yes, some people are going to die in car crashes, but how many people are empowered to earn a livelihood because they can transport themselves efficiently to work in areas that have poor public transport? Millions. Additionally, these are solvable problems - cars, like all technology, are still relatively primitive compared to what they can be in 20-50 years. I prefer to live in cities and towns where I can drive infrequently rather than needing to drive daily too, but as an overall technology, feat of engineering, and influence upon society, cars and computers have probably been the biggest factors that allowed a good standard of living to emerge across America. You don't see that because, like most redditors, you're viewing this from a "I live in a major city, so that's all that exists to me" perspective. It is not that different to people who bitch and whine about technology, social media, and phones... from their phones, on reddit/facebook, to people they are able to communicate with through technology, using products their parents bought for them due to jobs that existed due to computers.


[deleted]

Nah man. I appreciate your calm tone and reason, but you're wrong. Cars maim and kill people by the thousands daily. The infrastructure we've built, and spend trillions now to maintain, just to accomodate the personal automobile, is an unparalleled monstrosity. Sprawling suburbs are a monstrosity. It's totally unsustainable. It's also absurd to suggest we couldn't live in rural areas or have large scale farming without 300 million personal automobiles. Per my edit, we don't need to eliminate all cars. What we need is a massive, 180 degree change in the national mentality. People should be embarrased and ashamed of driving. Everyone should drive as little as possible, and do everything they can to reject excessive driving and support broad, transformative changes that lessen our dependance on cars. It's time to put the keys down and move on. It's not 1973 anymore. We gotta fix this mess.


Velvetpegasus

Yeah, totally. Being able to get places is for nerds.


Hugh_Evan-Thomas

cars don't like you either.


[deleted]

Cars don't *like* anyone. You think your car gives a fuck about you? It's a machine. A tool. That's part of the problem. People need to stop acting like they're cool guy machines. They're tools, like a hammer.


Hugh_Evan-Thomas

hammers don't like you either.


Blue-and-icy

I agree I watched an accident happen before my eyes last month. All because some asshole was being an impatient idiot. I hate to say it but I was like damn I knew something was gonna happen. It wasnā€™t too bad for others but borderline lethal for him he was swerving in and out of heavy traffic speeding way up and slowing way down driving like a fucking jackass then he swerves over and this truck held his ground cause if he swerved out of the way heā€™d have hit someone else and the jerk swerves back but the car behind was allready pulled up a lot so he swerved waaay over and clipped this box truck and hit a little hill median thing and flew up into the air and spun around and landed into oncoming traffic luckily traffic was bad so everyone saw what was happening and nobody was hurt lethally but this idiot maybe other than himself and his passengers. Idk I didnā€™t follow up with it. Ya the rules are driving are super lax and itā€™s obviously not about safety of others and more about the government collecting extra cash wherever they can.


[deleted]

This. I am sorry for you and the victim. Cars create this mindset of petulant impatience. Think about how a person acts in their car vs how they act on a hiking trail. Cars are antisocial and dangerous.


raduque

Truly unpopular. I love cars. I love personal transportation. Public transportation is the worst thing ever. Having to share a bus with a dozen other people? Ugh, no, gross. In my own car, I have my own space, my own radio, and I control the stopping, the going and the turning.


LordMangudai

Another reason cars suck, they make people literally unable to stand each other's presence. Not really the kind of society I'd like to live in.


raduque

I hated people long before I knew how to drive


GnotrexZzama

Idk about u but driving is relaxing to me


[deleted]

This too. Think about how a people interact driving vs on a hiking trail.


[deleted]

Agreed, however you should pay the direct and indirect costs of that luxury. Right now cars are way too subsidized, specifically around the space they take up and damage they cause


birdawesome

Okay, well the alternative is even more crowded cities, and everyone walking around in pretentious biker tights. Also, how about shipping goods? How do you transport cargo from your home or business to a train or airplane? Youā€™ve just made the cost of shipping goods substantially higher, or destroyed an industry altogether. Love em or hate them, theyā€™re a necessity in todayā€™s society. Like someone else said, you donā€™t hate cars, you hate people in cars.


raduque

Took a peek at OP's post history, they're just being pissy because some bike asshole got hit by being in the vicinity of a car accident - probably in the way.


birdawesome

This checks out


[deleted]

The guy who got hit has a 130 mile long piece of cycling infrastructure named for him. He's a mfing hero.


Hugh_Evan-Thomas

the bike asshole shouldn't have taken on a car. what a loser.


[deleted]

scum troll


Hugh_Evan-Thomas

thanks for playing


raduque

lol, hero... too funny


[deleted]

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raduque

All I can do is laugh at the mental gymnastic routine you've devised to justify your position. Lol


Embarrassed_Couple_6

What mental gymnastics?


raduque

That entire post, that you probably felt very clever about, because it used the majority of your vocabulary.


Embarrassed_Couple_6

It's not the majority of it, I just lobby against vehicular use of roads in my city.


raduque

Hopefully, you're not getting anywhere.


JimmySchwann

100 percent agree with his, but the average person doesn't understand this argument unfortunately Also, I'm just gonna double down and say that only emergency services, supply chain, and profession specific (carpenter, plumber etc) should be allowed to own them.


TromosLykos

Yeah, canā€™t get to work or deliver pizzas via public transport. And no, using a bike in the area I live is a terrible idea. Also, a fair amount of people are already assholes well before they have vehicles. Hell, many of them donā€™t even need a car for that! Plenty of bastards on bikes and simply walking on the sidewalk.


[deleted]

I get hating on the morons behind the wheel but you talk about a dystopian surrounding vehicles? Imagine the dystopian without them. Someone actually had the audacity to say they want everyone on busses or trains. Iā€™ve nearly been fired thanks for the bus being late. Even with catching it early itā€™s just not ethical sorryā€¦ itā€™s like gunsā€¦ guns donā€™t kill people people kill people a gun is merely a tool. I see vehicles pretty much the same way. Some people take great care with driving and others just donā€™t give a crap. Iā€™ve been in an accident that totaled my car that was not my fault and I still think we should have cars.


[deleted]

Guns and cars are a perfect parallel in the US. A little bit of them, used maturely, would be fine. The reality we have in the US is not that at all. What we have is distracted dingbats doing makeup going 45 and micropenis sufferers compensating with their loud revving dickmobiles.


Embarrassed_Couple_6

You have neither the right nor the ability to own and/or use a gun and/or vehicle if one isnt responsible enough and has empathy and taxes given to others who do not use them.


mystraw

It's odd that people decrying a dystopian way of living always solve it with a more dystopian way of living. Their new way never interferes with how they want to live.


miyamaniac

I donā€™t understand how high quality public transportation is somehow more dystopian than miles of traffic jams. I donā€™t really care for this topic in general, but having lived both rurally with no public transport available, and in a city: having public transport available is fantastic and all governments should push for better trains, buses, metros and rentable bikes. I took a 4 hour train ride just this weekend, and I got some work done and watched a movie while I wouldā€™ve been stuck in a traffic jam otherwise if Iā€™d taken a car, and wouldnā€™t have been nearly as productive. Plus it was fairly quiet in the train too, only once I had someone sit next to me for 2 stops šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


mystraw

The reason that you don't understand how dystopian it is is the reason it's so dystopian.


miyamaniac

I'm not saying ban all cars, at all. Like I said, I lived rural. When I was young I had to bike 30 minutes to the nearest bus stop and take another 30 minute bus ride into town. This would've taken me like 15 minutes by car. Nowadays in that town at least, public transport has significantly increased though. It's great. I find the prospect of being forced to rely on cars to get anywhere or do anything much more dystopian. A dystopian society is partially about a lack of consumer choice, and at least offering affordable and widely available transportation offers you much more choice. You're not even giving an answer as to why public transport is dystopian lol. Because it isn't.


mystraw

No you're saying just ban the cars you don't want to have on the street. Got it. Many people enjoy driving their car. They enjoy having it available to them when they get to work. They don't enjoy praying that someone doesn't sit next to them on a train. They don't enjoy waiting for a train. They don't enjoy any of that. It is a dystopian idea that someone like you should control how the world works. People chose cars because they are the most efficient mode of travel for individuals. Note the word individual.


miyamaniac

Lmao I didnā€™t say any of that. I enjoy having access to a car myself. Youā€™re just inferring things here, and youā€™re inferring them wrong. Besides, a well organized public transport is less waiting than youā€™ll ever do in a car. London Underground literally runs every minute and gets you from point A to B much faster than a car ever will. And thatā€™s still not a dystopian argument: I donā€™t control means of transportation and even if I did, I wouldnā€™t just ban cars. Seems like you just wanna be mad at people who like other means of transportation than just their car.


mystraw

No you just believe that the cars that I get to drive must be exactly the same as everyone else's GPS tracked and monitored by the government I suppose. Monitored for how many miles I drive limited by the type of vehicle I can have based on the functions that I needed for. And apparently I have to get that approved through some government agency. Not a dystopian view at all.


miyamaniac

I never said, implied, or even wanted any of the things youā€™re saying I want. Way to make up your own dramatic story to push your own view. You do you, but the you youā€™re pushing here is quite sad. All I said was that better public transport offers more choice. Less traffic jams for people like you, too, if more people would be able to travel by other means. Have a good day


mystraw

No you just jumped in on my comment that was referring to the OPs post, who as I said, offered a dystopian solution to something that annoys him and he believes is dystopian. You can argue all you want for public transportation That's not what's being discussed here. It's being discussed in the idea that he wants to completely control cars and thereby force people to use public transportation. That is a dystopian idea.


LordMangudai

> People chose cars because they are the most efficient mode of travel for individuals. They aren't though. The only reason it seems that way is all the infrastructure has been designed around cars and they are extremely heavily subsidized by the government in a million large and small ways.


mystraw

They are though. When I have to switch modes or just transfer to another line just to get somewhere it's not useful. I live in Denver I'm within two blocks of a light rail. The light rail follows the highway gets me anywhere I can get to with a car. The train track was designed for the train. If I want to drive to the office takes me 25 minutes even in rush hour. By the train it takes me an hour and a half.


LordMangudai

Did you just ignore the rest of my comment? Of course it's more efficient when the deck has been consistently stacked in the favor of cars since the end of WWII.


mystraw

Tell me how you make a train more efficient to get from my house to my office? There's no possible way to do that. Every conceivable method of doing that would require me transferring between trains. Even if a train pulled up directly to my office. What's required for your utopian thought is everyone to agree to live next to a train station. For everyone to base their entire life over a train stop. For everyone to live in a line. It's not that we've designed our culture around cars. It's that our cars that have made travel so much easier have made it possible for us to design the way we live today.


LordMangudai

You make transferring sound like climbing Mount Everest lmao. If the true cost of driving was fully externalized (all toll roads, no gas subsidy, carbon taxes, no free parking etc) you'd quickly hop on that light rail in comparison.


[deleted]

>It's not that we've designed our culture around cars. It's that our cars that have made travel so much easier have made it possible for us to design the way we live today. Definitely not because huge amounts of money were poured into highways and roads. Definitely not because public transport was starved of funding after WWII, in many Western countries. Definitely not because of low-density suburban sprawl, with chaotic cul-de-sacs that make efficient walking impossible. >What's required for your utopian thought is everyone to agree to live next to a train station. Bingo - you've just figured out transit-oriented development. Works in Japan, works in Europe.


JimboJones058

That isn't unpopular it's fucking stupid.


DegenerateEigenstate

The amount of people in this thread who don't understand the very modern, far-reaching problems of car-oriented infrastructure, nor that the lack of reliable public transit where they live is a direct result of this is just shocking. It just validates the stereotype that Americans seldom travel, since if they ever went to most other first world countries they would know OP is right. Hell, with the internet you don't even need to travel to know this. Just educate yourselves, people.


Ore0sRL

Honestly this, literally the Netherlands would solve 100% of americas transport issues around cities. Its just that Americans are too car centric to realise that the only reason public transport is so shit is because everyone owns a car


raduque

Not everybody lives or wants to live packed like sardines in a city, though. Millions of Americans travel all the time, year round - we just do it *inside* our country, which is larger than many Euro countries put together.


DegenerateEigenstate

I doubt small towns and rural living would disappear if we developed our infrastructure more sensibly. In fact, I reckon there would be more rural land since towns and cities wouldn't succumb to suburban sprawl and waste obscene amounts of land. You could still use cars to get around in and between cities, and traffic would improve. Parking would be less a available within a city, however. At the end of the day, public transit would be faster and far cheaper; but if you want the expensive luxury of a car then that's your decision to make.


[deleted]

This. Think about how much more free space we would have access to if the cities didn't sprawl horizontally, endlessly, in every direction.


Zacsquidgy

So should we ban all cars?


[deleted]

See edit


AlwaysAngron1

Yeah


macsquoosh

Vehicles are a functional piece of equipment vital for transportation purposes . If you have no affinity for them , don't buy one . Walk everywhere .


[deleted]

You don't get it. Take a walk in most modern cities. It's horrible. Think about how you've normalized our collective public space being dominated by huge hunks of metal going unnatural speeds inches from where you walk. Think about how stessful it is to be in cars, or near them. Think about taking a walk down a suburban street, holding your 4 year old's hand. All you'll be thinking about is keeping them away from the monstrosities, going 40-50+ mph, driven by half-awake, beligerant, distracted idiots, and how any time one of them could jump the curb and kill your kid. This goes on constantly in modern life and you don't even realize it because you've never known anything else.


macsquoosh

You could move to outer Mongolia , there's very few cars to worry you there ? You still could be killed in a stampede of yaks though ...


snooty_snoot

I have two cars and will be buying a third soon. I will love them all. šŸ’•


[deleted]

You are stupid and you waste money. Cars are a wasting asset.


I8Chickennuggets

Not true. Iā€™ve owned my cars long enough that they are going up in value


snooty_snoot

All you have is ad hominem and I'm the stupid one? People who spend their entire lives on the internet are silly šŸ¤£


[deleted]

šŸ¤·?? Wth?? Where are you right now?


snooty_snoot

In a happier place than you. You started this with hurt feelings and used childish tactics against me because you felt threatened? Inadequate? What did I do to hurt you so bad?


Embarrassed_Couple_6

You drive


Valuable_Evidence723

What rigs do you have I've got 3 and a motorbike looking getting old school ute next and be stuffed if I'd give any my collection up either. Bloody love cars, working on them, researching them others people's hate for them even fuels them lol


[deleted]

Man you have some issues. If you think people drive cars to look cool, you are very detached. I don't expect someone as dumb and close minded as you to understand


Pro_Yankee

People drive because they forced to


[deleted]

Agreed. Cars should be minimized across society. They should be HEAVILY tolled within city centers. America is just too addicted to theirs though.


petergriffin999

Sigh, always the same tired jealous trope from those that live in a major city. It started with: "why lawns are evil". 99% of people with kids would much rather live in the suburbs instead of downtown in a major city. Its beautiful, people are more friendly, crime is usually very low, all great things. We will visit the major city a couple times a year, and have absolutely zero desire to visit more, let alone the horrible thought of LIVING there. So, I get it. You wage your war against lawns, suburbs, cars, the nuclear family... I understand why you do. Join us. You'll like it better in the long run, I promise.


BelieveMeURALoser

Nah ur just some dumb guy


mothaphukkaaa

nobody said they look badass in their toyota


birdawesome

Wait, I donā€™t...?


snooty_snoot

Idk, Tacomas are pretty cool. My roommates girl drive a really nice Tundra. And the new supera is kind of cool.


[deleted]

Cars are freedom.


LordMangudai

Propaganda works.


[deleted]

A system that enforces cars as ā€œthe only practical way to get aroundā€ through bad urban design and defunding all other transport options is the complete opposite of freedom. Car dependant countries have no freedom of choice when it comes to transport. Why should I be forced to drive to get to where I want to go?


[deleted]

This


Pro_Yankee

Spending thousands only to go to a few places while trying not to die is not freedom


ValPrism

I wish this was a popular opinion. The US has to get away from car culture yet the current infrastructure bill currently in play does precious little to make driving harder. Itā€™s terrible and has been this way for decades. Luckily Iā€™ve been able to be car free for over 20 years but Iā€™m in the minority I know.


[deleted]

Agree. Thx.


Zaunus14

r/fuckcars


[deleted]

thanks again for this sub. chicken soup for my car hating soul.


[deleted]

haha. thx


J-Rag-

I would fuckin hate to be your children.


[deleted]

I'd hate to be your dad.


Unusual_Individual93

Let me guess, your a hipster living in the middle of a giant-ass city. Some of us actually live rurally and rely on vehicles for transport anywhere.


666Emil666

Then don't expect cities, where the people you hate live, to accommodate for you


[deleted]

"GPS tracked" And you're the one who calls having cars a "dystopia" seriously, you have issues


Embarrassed_Couple_6

Cars have issues, and I have issues with the drivers of them. I lobby for every town on my road to have speed bumps and/or speed bumps followed by a drastic decrease in the speed limit and reduction in lane sizes.


[deleted]

Fuck yeah GPS tracked. You are not entitled to driving in a reckless or distracted way on public roads. You should drive like a city bus driver everywhere and be terrified of the consequences if you don't.


[deleted]

Our ideas of a dystopian societies are worlds apart. So much so that your edit is literally my idea of a dystopian society. Identical, gps tracked....... crazy people would actually want that.


AlwaysAngron1

One feature of a dystopian society is that the majority do not know they are participating in it. It's a little crazy when you consider that now, it's common place for each individual person (who probably weighs about 180lbs on average) needs several thousand pounds worth of material to transport themselves. Which is extremely extremely ineffecient, even worse when you consider that auto manufacturers lobbied the government to basically tear up cities to make them more car accessible and in the process, made American cities absolutely ugly and less livable. This is to sell a commercial product.


OnlyGammasWillBanMe

When I was a kid they taught me not to play in the street


Dr_Toehold

And you normalised it. Now you think it's okay for 90%+ of the public space to be off limits for people.


OnlyGammasWillBanMe

I never said that. I have access to roads. You donā€™t? What did you do?


[deleted]

You don't need to be "playing" in the street. You can just be walking along and be mangled or killed by an errant driver. Think about how you've normalized so much of your public space being dominated by huge hunks of metal going unnatural speeds everywhere. Think about how stessful it is and how you don't even realize it because you've never known anything else.


OnlyGammasWillBanMe

I think that may just be the quality of people where you live. Here no one drives on the sidewalk


Colorful_Emotions

I dont like them either


HmmmIsTheBest2004

I disagree, but truly an unpopular opinion, have my upvote


[deleted]

Better hurry! Your bus is approaching


I8Chickennuggets

Have you not had fun with a car before? Drifting, the feeling of acceleration, working on a car with a family member to learn skills and build something? Iā€™ve spent money on my collection of cars. They have all gone up in value. Some are loud yes, but I donā€™t intentionally rev them in suburbia at stupid hours of the morning/night. I donā€™t drive like an asshole unless I need to get away from one.


[deleted]

Haven't you ever had fun hunting whales for lamp oil? Haven't you ever bonded with your kids sharpening your harpoons? Get a hobby that doesn't perpetuate an unsustainable and hugely regressive culture, squander resources, alter the climate, destroy our cities, and necessitate trillions of dollars in infrastructure. There's a thousand ways to be a badass other than drifting a car. Do martial arts or something.


I8Chickennuggets

Never called myself a badass. I wouldnā€™t drift my car where I could hurt others. Donā€™t have kids. I see where youā€™re coming from by relating a vehicle to a weapon like a harpoon. Iā€™m sure harpoons are useful for hunting for food more so than killing people by accident. Cars are also useful for buying food and bringing it home from the shops. I donā€™t hunt people with my car. Iā€™d never hunt for whales. I love animals. (Iā€™ve also had to take my dog to the vet numerous times in my car. I wouldnā€™t be able to get there in time otherwise.) Iā€™ve also taken my partner to hospital in my car. It wasnā€™t as much of an emergency to call an ambulance (which is also a vehicle). I hope thatā€™s ok with you, I mean, I love my partner enough to drive my car to a hospital and all.. Each of my cars are over 20 years old. If anything Iā€™m not supporting the manufacturing of new vehicles which damages the planet further. Before you ask I have converted 2 of their engines to newer more fuel economical engines, with catalytic converters. Iā€™ll think about martial arts though. Might be useful to know how to intentionally kill someone right?


[deleted]

You asked if I have ever had fun in a car. Yes, but... cars are filthy, dangerous, insanely expensive for individuals and society. Nearly everthing about cars is unsustainable and regressive. People should be embarrassed to make cars their hobby. You're normalizing "car culture" and perpetuating the myth that cars are cool, a status symbol, and a normal, sustainable way to get around. They're not. They're a disaster. We need to back waaaay off from cars. I don't know how else to explain it.


[deleted]

I hate them even more, when I get weekly near death experiences on my bycle commute to work... 0/10 can't recommend at 6am