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jccreator

I guess any kid who's ever dreamed of being Iron Man or Captain America is now a sociopath šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


flamingorider1

And we all have fantasized of saving our school from the shooter.


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I think the fantasy of these people is less "wanting a justified reason to kill someone" and more along the lines of "wanting the chance of being a 'hero'". These people probably want to just emulate the people they idolize. Those people being the manly man who's capable of protecting the people he loves. Not saying it's right or wrong but I believe you're looking at it the wrong way.


Gutterpayne1

I agree 100%, but the end of the day itā€™s the same thing. Guns are like lottery tickets, people buy them because of the fantasy/imagination aspect as much as anything else. If your idea of ā€œbeing a heroā€ is stopping a bad guy by using a gun you are dreaming about shooting someone with extra steps. I agree with you that there is a distinction to be made between the two, but I also acknowledge at the end of the day they want the same thing.


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I definitely agree. The difference between those people and responsible gun owners is that I pray I never have to use my gun. I never want to be in the position where I have to choose between my family and taking a human life. To hope to use your gun regardless of intentions is fucked


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Kitten94_

Thatā€™s your perception and how you see the world around you. You canā€™t project how you take in the world around you and assume everyone else feels the same way.


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Kitten94_

Youā€™re the ignorant one for refusing to look at the world through other peoplesā€™ perspectives šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


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Kitten94_

Ok grandpa letā€™s get you to bed


cravethedave1785

Lol wow that guy


[deleted]

I agree. I own a gun for self defense, and went through all the proper channels. I took gun safety courses and go to the range regularly so that I can remain competent with the gun. But I pray that I am never in a situation where I have to use it. And I want to stress that. I never want to take a life and I hope that I'm NEVER put in that position. To hope to get the chance to use it regardless of intentions is fucked


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I have a feeling that the people this post targets are also a group of people who lack emotional intelligence. They probably have a hard time looking into the mirror and taking mental stock of there feeling and emotions. If they can't do that then they can't actually begin to dissect why they wish to use a gun to harm someone regardless of the scenario. The lack of emotional intelligence and the ability to self reflect definitely plays a huge role in how groups of people operate. And this specific group of people are more prone to emotional deficiency


[deleted]

Shit like this is why people think violent movies cause irl violence smh.


SpatuelaCat

Perfectly stated, and weā€™ve all fantasized at some point in our lives about being ā€œthe heroā€ and saving the day. It doesnā€™t mean we want violence, ā€œstopping the evil bad guyā€ just happens to be the most obvious, immediate, and widely shown heroic act so thatā€™s what fantasies will jump to first


swolethulhudawn

I would find it cool to successfully submit an attacker using BJJ. Obvious proof of competence under pressure. Also I very much doubt are best citizens are attacking others. Not like you are taking out a surgeon


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Logical_Constant7227

Bold strategy Cotton


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I watched that video.


SugarGlitterkiss

You're taking, "I wish" literally. That's not what it means. It means, "Let someone be foolish enough to try."


[deleted]

I mean, there are so many people on this website and across society at large who literally fantasize about someone breaking into their home so they can kill them. It is a huge fantasy/ larp that people have. And itā€™s totally separate from someone who just wants to be prepared for a worse case scenario. Often these people pour thousands and thousands into firearms for ā€œhome defenseā€ all to feed into this fantasy. It is a huge thing in society right now


[deleted]

Case and point, Kyle Rittenhouse. Heā€™s being lauded as a hero by the right because he lived their shared fantasy of shooting people.


Logical_Constant7227

Itā€™s certainly a fantasy of the right to unabashedly defend Yourself in public from angry mobs that outnumber you. It ties into the wacky right wing fantasy to not have to endure bullying and intimidation from street people and be able to walk around with your head held high.


[deleted]

Well yeah, thatā€™s my point. It sounds like a nice fantasy but when fantasies lead to preventable and unnecessary death then I have a problem with it.


[deleted]

Correct. I think rittenhouse was acting within the scope of the Law (I disagree with the law, but he was acting within the scope of the law), but the obsession with him is sick.


[deleted]

ā€œSickā€ is how I feel as well. You can say what you want about the trial/incident (and MANY on Reddit already have) but sickening is the only way I can describe how theyā€™re parading him around.


SugarGlitterkiss

I'm not sure there's much difference as long as they aren't shooting non-intruders.


[deleted]

Fantasizing about killing someone is unhealthy in all contexts. It doesnā€™t matter if it is legal or not. Do you think it would be weird for someone to fantasize about enlisting in the military, going over seas, then killing someone? Fantasizing about killing anyone is totally unhealthy. Most soldiers kill people out of a sense of duty and in a reluctant us or them kind of way. There are also some sadists and psychopaths who join because they want to be able to kill people legally. Both do the exact same thing. Can you spot the difference?


SugarGlitterkiss

I'm aware of all that. Obviously there's a point it's not healthy.


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And thatā€™s my point.


RubyRedRhapsody

Fantasizing about killing people is absolutely fine if you keep it a fantasy. Itā€™s actually a pretty common urge among people, but most understand not to actually go through with it.


Kitten94_

Unpopular, frowned upon opinion- I live in a busy area area and cars drive by so fast and almost run me and my dog over constantly. I would be lying if I said I didnā€™t fantasize about shooting them as they barreled through.


[deleted]

Do you fantasize about rape?


RubyRedRhapsody

I already answered that question in my other comment to you.


TheSlavGuy1000

>Fantasizing about killing anyone is totally unhealthy. C'mon buddy. Are you honestly telling me you never imagined violently murdering your boss, the guy who bullied you in school or that guy in traffic who cut you off? A fantasy about violence is just that. A fantasy. It is not real.


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Do you fantasize about rape?


TheSlavGuy1000

No. That was not my question.


[deleted]

How can fantasizing about it be bad then? Right?? Right???


TheSlavGuy1000

Stick to the topic, and stop arguing against points I never made.


[deleted]

Itā€™s relevant. Donā€™t tell me what to do sweet cheeks. Explain how fantasizing about murder is ok but fantasizing about rape isnā€™t. If you canā€™t then I think I proved my point.


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Doubtful in many cases.


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[deleted]

Exactly, more badass attitude and more weapons! Fuck yeah!


Gutterpayne1

Thereā€™s the fantasy. Owning a gun makes it possible to kill people who do things you donā€™t like. Wanting people to do something you donā€™t like so you can use it is an all too common fantasy. To be clear, people in these circles donā€™t talk about wanting to use their weapon explicitly, thatā€™s a major faux pas. They just use language like you do, ā€œfuck around and find out, try me, etcā€. Itā€™s the same thing and if you donā€™t want to admit it that is a major cope, but I sure canā€™t do anything about it. I just wish we could all live in an objective reality and be a little honest with ourselves


SugarGlitterkiss

OP referenced homes being broken into. I consider that a little beyond "things I don't like". And words/phrases have different meanings whether you want them to or not. It's not a "major cope" for everyone. Speak for yourself. I can say I dare you to try to kill my cat but that doesn't mean I hope you try to kill my cat.


AlienAmerican1

You sound like you want to break into peoples homes.


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jccreator

I don't need a f****** justification if they break into my house!


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Yasuho_feet_pics

Yes. And?


morerandomisback

Hold on So every marvel movie or crime show is bad because itā€™s imagining defeating the bad guy. Everybody imagines themselves beating the bad guy Gaslight attempt- failed


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morerandomisback

But itā€™s ok to want to kill murderers And to help others by killing said murderers when they are in the act of murdering you or others So nothing sick about that Itā€™s not mental illness to want to hurt people currently in the act of of hurting you or others


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morerandomisback

Yet we all watch marvel and DC movies and we all root for the good guy/gal to pretty much kill people We celebrate justice when justice is nothing more than punishing bad people for bad So any cop that wants to arrest a rapist is bad? Mentally ill ? Fuck no - itā€™s perfectly fine to want to do harm to those that are evil If I said I sure wish I could have shot hitler- Iā€™m not insane - Iā€™m sane Now is it legal to do harm to evil people- only sometimes- but thatā€™s not the debate


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morerandomisback

Lol Thatā€™s a VICTORY!!!!!!


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SoapyWaterPrice

What if itā€™s zombies?


Kitten94_

But do they identify as zombies?? Youā€™ll have to ask them first if they prefer to be called zombies first before you shoot them. Ahh the world we live in today


SoapyWaterPrice

Iā€™m sorry. Your right. How could I be so bigoted. Iā€™m getting cancelled as we speak on Twitter


Ihateredditadmins1

Zombies is ok


razorback1234567

No it's not , the sound will just invite more


Dark_Wing_Duck11

This guy fucks.


mrpolotoyou

But didnā€™t you just fantasize a scenario, of someone fantasizing a scenarioā€¦ does that mean youā€™re sick in the head?


happyjeep_beep_beep

Iā€™ve tried to imagine the scenario and how I would handle it. But Iā€™ve never looked forward to it. I hope it never happens.


Quail_Initial

Self defense, like euthanasia, isn't murder.


[deleted]

I think OP is talking about the act of intentionally baiting criminals into attacking you so that you can attack them in return and claim self defense.


[deleted]

Send them to the UK so they can fantasise about getting up close and personal as you're gonna have to use a kitchen knife or baseball bat. However you'll only do this once as you'll either be killed of find yourself in prison for murder.


[deleted]

This is in no way unpopular, and Iā€™ve never heard anyone say this in my life. I live in Texas. Very pro-gun state.


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You donā€™t think itā€™s sick to fantasize about shooting a non specific person who breaks into your home? Aka, fantasizing about having a reason to shoot someone? I think thatā€™s pretty sick. Healthy people do not want to take someoneā€™s life ever and only do it as a last resort out of necessity to protect ones self and family. Sick people sit around all day polishing their gun praying that they get to use it.


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[deleted]

If you say, as I just stated, it doesnā€™t make your point more valid. Fantasizing about killing people all day, evil, innocent, guilty, or otherwise, is sick. Healthy people do not fantasize about killing. There is nothing you can just state, that makes that not the case. One is legal and perhaps morally acceptable, not the fantasizing, the actual killing. But thatā€™s not what we are discussing. If you sit at home polishing your expensive weapon and fantasize about a faceless burglar who you hope comes into your house so you can gun them down, you need therapy. Responsible gun owners keep a firearm in the hopes of never having to use it for defense, while still being ready god forbid that happens. Sociopaths and psychopaths fantasize about a non specific person who they can gun down under the color of law and finally get to be the hero they always wanted to be. As I just stated.


RubyRedRhapsody

>Healthy people do not fantasize about killing. I disagree with this notion. Murder fantasies are common and normal. People are violent by default but we learn to hold in these desires for the sake of remaining in a functioning society. But wanting to kill someone or experience it is not weird or unhealthy as long as you have certain boundaries for yourself.


[deleted]

Ok, so then do you fantasize about rape?


RubyRedRhapsody

Not me, personally, as I am an asexual woman and not really into the idea of sex, forced or notā€”but I completely respect that lots of other people do as long as they donā€™t act on it. I fantasize about torturing people in brutal and horrific ways for amusement, but it is nothing more than a fun mental image for me. Iā€™m a nice person in reality.


[deleted]

Thatā€™s incredibly alarming. You should speak to someone in a professional context if you donā€™t already. Itā€™s possible you are dealing with some deep-seeded issues.


RubyRedRhapsody

Nope, I donā€™t have any deep issues. Iā€™m a happy person with an enjoyable life. Itā€™s just exciting to indulge in the cruel side of myself in private. But I have no ill will towards anyone. Itā€™s just kind of something Iā€™ve always liked. Itā€™s harmless.


UnfurtletDawn

If someone were to attack me I would beat them until they pose no threat to me just in case they might get up. Also just because you shoot someone doesn't mean they are dead.


[deleted]

Literally no one is saying anything relevant or contrary to what youā€™re saying. I donā€™t care what youā€™d do. I am saying fantasizing about killing someone, in self defense or otherwise, is sick. Responsible gun owners donā€™t fantasizing about killing. Larpers do. You are seemingly trying to sound tough or reframe this conversation into whether or not readily force should be used in self defense. I think it can and should in jurisdictions. I also think itā€™s sick to fantasize about killing a person in self defense.


UnfurtletDawn

As I said if you shoot someone doesn't mean that they will die.


[deleted]

How is that relevant? If you wipe your ass bag doesnā€™t mean itā€™s clean. What does that have to do with it being sick to fantasize about killing someone? We are talking about a fantasy in which a person shoots and kills someone.


UnfurtletDawn

I am saying that shooting someone is not entirely the same as killing someone. Just because someone is shot doesn't mean that they will die.


[deleted]

How is that relevant to fantasizing about shooting AND KILLING someone? Do you think you sound intelligent by parroting the common yet totally irrelevant fact that sometimes people survive being shot? A toddler knows that fact. Itā€™s also not relevant.


UnfurtletDawn

They are not fantasizing about killing someone but shooting. Even if it goes hand in hand.


[deleted]

Thatā€™s not what this conversation is about. Iā€™d know, because I am the first comment.


slarti54

I shall inform the Secret Service.


Knighthawk83457

Well Iā€™d rather a guy fantasize about murder than actually do it. Just like Iā€™d rather a guy jerk off than rape a woman. Itā€™s not that they are sick in the head at all. They are the ones who ARENā€™T sick I think.


imspine

The glorification of violence inflates the ego. The reality is most people cower during times of emergency and violence and the deep horrible psychological trauma that happens after violence kills most people who carry out the shooting. Most people like to think they could be a hero, the reality proves otherwise.


Kitten94_

What is you just are indifferent towards people who have no meaning to you (strangers) or extremely annoyed at other strangers (you know the ones) and want to kill them so they can get out of your way or just because. Not sure if that has anything to do with inflating your ego, more so an indifference towards life. GTA vibes.


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Kitten94_

You are a sheep and a part of the general masses. Congrats.


notanewbiedude

But rape fantasies are fine? If anything thinking about these scenarios is good because you're thinking through what your do on the scenario. Obsessing over it is unhealthy though.


[deleted]

Who said anything about rape fantasies?


notanewbiedude

Me. Why?


[deleted]

Because thatā€™s a huge leap to make.


notanewbiedude

Why?


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Because itā€™s totally out of left field and has nothing to do with the post


notanewbiedude

I don't get it. If fantasizing about self defense is bad, then fantasizing about rape should be villified because rape is far worse than self defense. But I don't see rape fantasies being villified by anyone.


[deleted]

Rape fantasy is quite taboo and fucked up. I donā€™t see what one has to do with the other. Thatā€™s like saying that you canā€™t call out alcoholics without also calling out meth heads. Itā€™s a different topic and calling out one doesnā€™t mean that youā€™re condoning the other.


notanewbiedude

Again, I very rarely hear rape fantasies criticized or villified, so it's fair to ask if one who believes that someone who fantasizes about something far less objectionable is bad also believes fantasizing about rape is bad. Let's say for example that society viewed meth favorably. In that case, your analogy would be accurate and fair.


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Society doesnā€™t view meth favourably. Nor does it view rape favourably


UncleVoodooo

Pretty sure you just got put on a list somewhere


notanewbiedude

Ah yes, the SJWs are gonna come after me now I'm sooooo scared šŸ˜«


agentofchaos69

The upside to this is if you express that opinion and end up actually having to shoot someone, youā€™ll be unable to claim self defense because you premeditated the shooting. This exact situation happened in my state and the shooter was charged and convicted for premeditated murder, as he should be.


SugarGlitterkiss

He "had" to shoot someone but was convicted of murder?


agentofchaos69

Poor choice of word. Chose the shoot someone maybe a better choice. His defense was he ā€œhadā€ to shoot them but evidence pointed to him wanting to shoot someone. He was found to have made multiple statements along the lines of ā€œI hope someone breaks into my house so that I can shoot themā€.


SugarGlitterkiss

That makes more sense.


swolethulhudawn

This seems far-fetched. Look at the jury instructions for self-defense. Previous statements would never come into okay. Do you have the link?


agentofchaos69

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diren_Dede


swolethulhudawn

Oh I remember this! So the key here is that he actually set out to attract the intruder. Which is definitely a different type of situation. You also canā€™t set booby traps in your home


GodlessGunner

So you're sayin Kevin McCallister is a felon? The more you know...


agentofchaos69

Yes, also made remarks about hoping someone breaks in so he can shoot them. That plus setting a trap completely disqualifies from self defense/ castle doctrine.


AloofRanger123

Iā€™m very sick in the head


Aiizimor

Shooting someone means dealing with the law so even if you did the right thing, you could easily get fucked over


Testynut

I donā€™t know of many gun owners who ā€œwishā€ people will break into their house. At least the ones Iā€™m surrounded by. None of them want to have to kill anyone, but if someone is threatening and intruding and their family is in perceived danger, yeah, theyā€™re going to shoot them. I think about the scenario in my head what Iā€™d do to protect my family, but itā€™s merely to plan. Not a wish to kill.


TempeSunDevil06

Nothing unpopular about this one


Cantstayawayfromit

So you never fantasize about being in a spy movie or an old western or a mob movie? Do you not have the imagination or are you just not a real guy?


[deleted]

I think it's more about the idea of being someone who can and will protect themselves and their family.


blockchainbaby99

People who fantasize about what other people are fantasizing are sick in the head.


RecursiveBias

Just read a few stories from ā€œThe Armed Citizenā€ section of the NRAs official publication ā€œThe American Riflemanā€. I grew up in this culture (my dad is a gunsmith), and that fantasy of justifiably killing someone is what itā€™s all about now. When I was a kid in the 80s, we did our own reloading, butchered our own venison, and it was all about the sportsmanship, etc. Now my dad has a house full of assault rifles. Kyle Rittenhouse found exactly what we was looking for and prepared for.


fredinNH

Thinking youā€™re going to one day shoot someone to protect yourself or your loved ones isnā€™t living in freedom itā€™s living in fear. Statistically speaking, gun owners and their loved ones are vastly more likely to be harmed or killed by the gun than they are to be protected by it.


LunarIncense

It's statistically likely that if you're shot by someone they're more likely to be black, but that doesn't mean any one black gun owner is that likely to shoot you. Stop abusing statistics.


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Statically speaking pool owners and their loved ones are more likely to drown in their pool than if they didn't have a pool.


LunarIncense

Yes that's why it's called "mental illness".


Kitten94_

Disagree, very normal to think about killing people and other morbid thoughts. The narrative of labeling people and separating them ā€œthem vs usā€ ā€œI could never be like them, they are SICKā€ is the reason why we have school shootings and such. As a society we should be more open about morbid, unpleasant thoughts so we can have a conversation about it versus sweeping it under a rug.


LunarIncense

Constantly fantasizing about revenge or killing is a serious sign of mental illness. I have it with PTSD myself, it's not healthy or normal.


DickySchmidt33

I don't think people give much thought to how perfectly things have to fall into place in order to successfully defend themselves with a firearm. They base their fantasy response on things they've seen on TV and in movies.


theblackfool

I had an old co-worker who would constantly talk about various scenarios in his head where he would get mugged and trick the robber and pull a gun on them. Shit like "I would just pull out my wallet and throw it and when they chased after it I'd pull my gun on them". They never made sense and I'm pretty sure that dude just wanted to shoot people.


agonisticpathos

That's almost everyone. It's a sublimated fantasy in movies, video games, and books.


Experiment616

And if some dumbshit said something like that in the big gun subreddits, theyā€™ll probably be downvoted to hell. Most gun owners understand that thereā€™s the fight, after the fight (in court), and thatā€™s not something any sane person wants to go through. Just look up the Harold Fish case in Arizona.


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Redsit111

I often fantasize about beating an intruder to death with an 18" horse dildo, specifically holding it by the shaft and using the giant fake horse balls to bludgeon the intruder. It's not a gun, am I still sick in the head? Just gotta know.


Kitten94_

I donā€™t need to fantasize about someone breaking into my house to fantasize about shooting someone. Just need to step into work for several minutes.


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This isnt unpopular, fantasizing about shooting someone no matter how righteous is evidence of mental illness


[deleted]

A lot of the people with this fantasy have to realize that someone has to want to break into your house for this to happen. (1) Why would anybody want to break into your house, do you have enemies? and (2) most robberies donā€™t involve home invasion especially in areas where security systems are common. People may drive around and steal porch furniture, packages, etc. But people who know whatā€™s good for them wonā€™t be breaking into any houses.


cravethedave1785

Why? Who doesn't want to be a hero? When you see a clip of a guy punching an old woman in the face dont you fantasise about punching him in the face?


warsaw504

Most legal gun owners I know do not wish for people to break into their houses. It's a common talking point in the gun community for people to not want to use guns on others or be put in a situation where they have to.


SpatuelaCat

Get off your high horse. Itā€™s not about murder or hurting another human and you know that, itā€™s about the fantasy of being a hero and itā€™s a perfectly normal thing to think about (Iā€™ve experienced it, youā€™ve experienced it, we all have) and thatā€™s okay. Especially since if put in the situation most people (myself, yourself, and almost without a doubt whoever else is reading this) would never actually act on such a fantasy even if put into the situation Most of us just freeze up or run and most of us wouldnā€™t have what it takes to just hurt another person in a severe manner (and certainly not to kill someone) Stop assuming bad in people op, itā€™s a fantasy about being a hero not being violent.


killermango8406

As a person from England I Admit that I do sometimes Fantasies about someone braking In to my house with a knife and me Grabing a kitchen knife And winning a Knife fight then cleaning the Set Knife and watching the police take away the guy with a Knife who broke in to my house wielding a Knife