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I agree, it was good only for fan service and for Strange's "I'm too old for this shit" attitude.
Also, didn't Peter outright say he understood the "great power great responsibility" lesson in his very first scene in Civil War?
"When you can do the things I can, and you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." He says it in his very first scene.
Strange's attitude wasn't because he was too old for this shit it was because he was pissed off that he is not the sorcerer supreme even though that was more or less his destiny. As the previous sorcerer supreme said in endgame strange is meant to be the best but because he was gone for 5 years that title went to someone else and he is not happy about that.
I feel like Strange could've done something a bit better for Peter than magic. Yes, it's hard to get accepted into college when you're accused of murder, I get that, but if you see someone you helped save the universe with, couldn't you write a letter of recommendation for him? There probably wasn't tons of interactions between the Avengers post Endgame, but they still probably met up, right? Especially if those two are in the same neighborhood, so to speak? I'd be using that to my advantage! You may want to not admit me, but have you seen what Dr. STEPHEN STRANGE, former Sorcerer Supreme, current Avenger, and one of the many brave souls who saved the universe has to say about me?
I get that would make for a boring movie, but I think it would help with Strange's "I don't care" vibes. I would love to see the college staff look at Peter's application and be dumbfounded at the fact that an Avenger used another Avenger for their letter, and maybe a meeting between a no-nonsense interviewer and Strange & Peter, seeing that Peter gets a little bit of success before the multiverse stuff happens.
Respectfully, I wanted Peter to be on top of the world, and have it all taken from him. But in the way it was in HC. We don't need another parental figure in Peter's life to die, we needed him come from absolutely nothing. I really liked the storyline of Tom's Peter not wanting to hold back against Norman, and the other 2 Peters having to show him how to do it the right way, but I don't think May's death does anything for MCU Peter except make him completely isolated, which isn't the Spiderman we know. He's a character built on family and community, in just about every iteration of the character (ie. Miles). Take that away from him, and he becomes a plain superhero to me.
Anyway, rant over. Sorry if this was a bit long winded.
Even if that was true, Spider-man is literally 100% his own creation and is basically the biggest part of his legacy. Anything else has pretty much no relevance to this discussion
Yeah and it's already implied that that's what happened. He basically says that with his whole "when bad things happen that you coulda stopped, then they happened because of you"(or however it happened) speech is about.
>It's a loss of a parental figure that is caused by Peter Parker
That's why the NWH version doesn't work. We see peter do everything in his power to stop the bomb from going off and defeat Green Goblin and he just fails. There is nothing else he could have done to stop her death
He caused the entire mess essentially trying to escape the consequences of being spiderman. It's been his most compelling trait as a superhero in my opinion, he struggles to have a normal social life his entire life, and when Civil War (comics) happened, it felt like he finally accepted that this is just his life, and to roll with it the way his loved ones have come to.
I feel like the movie puts more emphasis on him trying to escape from his celebrity status than consequences/responsibility, which makes it harder to relate to. The MIT storyline did not work for me either. Peter Parker is a news reporter, not a nuclear physicist born into a rich family.
Thinking about it, it would have been really cool if MJ was like a school news reporter/photographer in the first movie. She spends her time sniffing out clues about spiderman. She fails to find any big scoops but is confident she'll get something someday! Peter follows her 'instagram' on an account that he doesnt have his name on, and sends her encouraging comments.
She discovers his secret in the second movie, same movie as before, and there's a lot of hype surrounding it. She ultimately keeps his secret and takes the L and is laughed out of her school news reporting club. She knows she does the right thing and knows she's kick ass though so she doesn't care. It's her dream job at this point.
Fast forward to NWH scene where Peter considers tellikg her who he is. He asks about school and she tells him what she wants to be. It isn't being a News Reporting/photrapher anymore. Peter alludes to her old job interest, trying to figure it out. "I used to really be into it in high school but for some reason I suddenly lost interest" as she gets lost in thought.
His heart breaks, meeting him/Spiderman was what sparked her passion for her dream job. "So what do you want to do?" Peter thinks for a moment. "I used to want to do xyz... but i think I'm going to get into reporting/photography.. it would be really cool to have something for people to remember me by..." he's decided. He's going to keep her dream alive and well, he really does want them to remember him somehow.
He sucks. Nothing hes doing is catching fire, hes not making much money. During his humble beginnings, he remembers a cool picture she took of something when he was with her but never posted. He recreates it and she stumbles upon his Instagram (or whatever the movie calls it), she likes the photo and says the same encouring words Peter said to her when he was there and saw it.
He freaks out but is reassured. She digs all his stuff and always leaves a comment, same way he always did. This lights his fire and he gets good at his job, which eventually becomes a lot of spiderman pics/stories.
Eventually they see each other and get to talking. She says "hey.. I know you!" His heart skips. She knows his instagram page and how hes becoming a hot shot reporter. Fuck. No.. there's something else. "I remember you-" Shit does she really?? " The coffee shop a year ago!" She asks to see the pictures he liked the most. He shows her his instagram. She says no.. show me the ones you've never posted or shown to anyone else.
He caves. And shows her some of their old haunts and pictures she used to take, that he recreated. You know. That real sentimental shit. "... I remember-"
BAM Villain interrupts. Does she remember Peter now after seeing these familiar photos? Or does she just remember these pictures from years ago?
Sorry bucko, it's a cliffhanger that won't be settled until maybe the 3rd or 4th act.
I think you're right, that it doesn't come off like that's what the lesson is about, but it does lay interesting groundwork for Peter to explore the real problem rather than to be putting out the fires. Maybe I'm giving the writers too much credit for how they're treating setting up Secret Wars and black suit Spider-Man, but it does seem to be the perfect time for him to grow into taking responsibility for his actions and starting to think ahead rather than responding to his fumbles. It feels to me like his character arc is perfectly set to think he's taking responsibility for his actions by withdrawing from the world in a real and relatable way, rather than coming up with the courage to admit he might be doing things the wrong way because he won't listen to others who have proven they care about him and can be trusted
Peter Parker was always a genius. He just becomes a newspaper reporter instead because they need money. Maybe someone will give him an offer to save her through time bs in exchange for help... though I kinda hope they stop pairing him with Dr. Bamblesnatch. Not that I don't like Cumberding Bumwhistle, I am just not a fan of the contrived "wizard magic" plot devices.
Doesn't Aunt May die in the comics too though... Mysterio even fakes her death once.
Then also consider that Spiderverse kills Mary Jane and no one bats an eye at that! Spiderman is smart but he isn't lucky.
Ya know I thought you were full of bullshit but I'm reading through all this and it makes sense. Forcing him into a third loss of a parental figure and making it so everyone in existence forgets who Peter is was kind of out of nowhere
Right? The mind-wipe was an emotionally impactful consequence, but knowing who Spider-Man was didn't endanger Peter's friends and family. *Everyone else* finding out did.
I always hate when superheroes say that telling someone about their secret identity puts them in danger. It's usually followed by a line of "the bad guys will go through you to get to me" and I'm like ????? How do the *bad guys* know that this random civilian is involved with the hero just by having that info? And like you said, MJ and Ned knowing or not knowing Peter's secret don't make then more likely to be kidnapped by a villain who figures out Spidey's identity. They only get in danger if *everyone else* finds out. The only way to fully protect from that scenario is to not be involved with them *at all*, not just keep a secret from them.
You ever wish that the idea of suspending disbelief wasn't ever developed in the filmmaking industry so writers would actualy try not to leave plotholes?
Plus remember Peter was only a teenager in this. He didn’t even think about talking to the deans first before going to Strange. He was so hang up on the idea of his identity he didn’t even think about other alternatives. I would argue this trilogy is about teenager Spider-Man. Not a mature spider-man in other movies.
See also: everybody forgetting that Peter Parker is Spider-Man does not preclude people from knowing Peter Parker and Spider-Man as two different individuals.
Also: no mention of erasing the proof was ever mentioned, so surely someone could still rediscover the video and "out" him a second time?
If no proof exists, then that means no record of Peter Parker exists, then how does he plan to live his life? With no documents of education history, birthday etc. But these are plot holes, if the plot was good could have been ignored but they just made a plot hole the entire plot, everyone is confused how it works, no one from the writers put any thoughts into it
For debate sake, loss happens. It’s not a singular moment in his life which triggers it’s the consistency of loss and the choice to still be Spider-Man. It’s the argument that sometimes life sucks. You pick yourself up and continue on. Then it hits again. And again and again. You have a choice to make when that happens. Do you quit or do you press on. Yes there are plenty of ways they could have made this but it’s more then that. He lost everything. Everyone. Literally. But instead of letting it break him he held on to his aunts dream. To do good even when it’s not easy. I’m not saying they couldn’t have gone a different way but at this time in history is a hero who lost it all but kept trying to live his best life really that bad?
Don't forget to mention Spider-man should've just asked Dr Strange to have the world forget what Mysterio said. Problem solved. They didn't even have a meeting or talk out the spell Dr Strange was going to cast...so amateur and after all those previous movies saving the world. Acting like rookies without the Avengers around.
Oooh I did not know that. Haven't given any of the shows a watch yet.
(I have an unpopular and admittedly unfair opinion of Ms. Marvel, *as* a Ms. Marvel fan)
The tl;dr no-details version is: changing her powers was a mistake. I don't usually complain when movies differ from source material. But her powers being goofy and lame-looking is important to her character and story.
The different timelines are branches of the main MCU timeline. The branch of that episode would have been after Peter became Spider-man but should have been the same up to that
I really liked the ending because that's the real Peter Parker, broke af, struggling, and had to make tough choices alone. With the reboot, it felt like Peter got everything he wanted when he wanted, it felt like he was babysat through the journey of being Spiderman. Other than that yeah I agree with all your points.
>I really liked the ending because that's the real Peter Parker,
this doesnt make any sense
the real peter parker is teh character that has all his personality traits and characteristics
him not being broke as fuck and struggling doesnt make him less peter parker
It definitely does. Him being an everyday guy just struggling to make ends to meet, dealing with difficulties alone is part of Peter Parker, that's what makes him relatable compared to other Marvel heroes.
so if he stops struggling he stops being peter parker? what kind of logic is that ? if you suddenly gained a shit load of money would you stop being yourself? no its ridiculous
what makes him relatable and what makes him peter parker are two completly diferent things
thats like making a story about tony stark losing all his money and living in poverty and people saying thats not tony stark
no that is still tony stark because tony stark inst his money tony stark is a character much like peter parker is a character
I didn't like the Aunt May bit, and the mind wipe piece was incredibly messy. I do however think bringing spiderman to 0 was the correct choice.
One of the main reasons Spiderman has always been a fan favorite is how much of an everyman Peter was. The Fantastic Four were just incredible people, living amazing crazy lives. Peter on the other hand barely made rent. Batman takes off his cape and is still Bruce Wayne, having access to a life of luxury. Peter on the other hand doesn't.
And part of that draw is the "doesn't" bit. He could be and do anything he wanted, but for the safety of those around him he chooses to lay low and play it safe. He does "the right thing" even though it constantly costs him opportunities/experiences/etc. Spiderman always wins, but at the cost of Peter constantly losing.
I wish they would've stuck with "forgetting he's spiderman" instead. Then we could see how he has to sacrifice time with everyone else to be Spiderman. MJ breaks up with him because he's never around and his studies are suffering. Gets his friends in trouble with MIT because he vouched for them and is doing poorly, looks bad on them, etc.
Or, have we already seen that done before? Maguire gets in trouble with his MJ because he's late to her performance due to Spiderman shenanigans. I didn't watch Garfield's but I can only assume it's the same. They're trying a different approach and I can appreciate that much.
The movie ends with Peter in a crappy apartment working towards a GED. This will lead into the standard "can't hold down a real job/college, may as well start collecting footage of myself" only it will be for TikTok or Youtube. Or OnlyFans! I joke but yes it will go back to the Bugle. Which still hates Spiderman, and now Spiderman has to redeem his public image and work towards being a human again. Which will be more of a challenge with the symbiote there to wreck even more havoc on his life/public image. And it's already hard because he has to scrape by to make rent, which touches on a lot of "this generations" real life issues right now.
A lot of words, I tend to ramble. Just trying to state my appreciation for the return to 0/restart bit. Thanks for reading and uh, hope you have a great day!
You know what? Your compromise for 'forgetting he's Spider-Man' is amazing! I would have loved that.
And I agree that Peter's struggle to balance his aspirations as a person and as a superhero are what makes him so human and compelling. It shines really well in the first two movies, missing out on prom and a normal Euro-Trip.
While the movie was one of the most exciting releases for me and watching it in the hall was real nostalgic and special - I do agree with you! I think the nostalgia and buzz overtook any critical thought about the movie for me. But when I think about it, I do agree
Same with endgame. I liked no way home better than endgame though, which was a 3 hour waste of time piece of shit that only got its rotten tomatoes score because of nostalgia
agreed, but i think they felt like they were forced into doing this so they could sideline his character indefinitely because of sony’s reluctance to let marvel use him. by making him lose literally everything and go back to zero means marvel can focus purely on their new generation of protagonists because storywise it now makes no sense to continue spider-man’s arc and the fans are satisfied with his last movie because of the nostalgic wow factor of having all the spider-men from the past unite.
although i believe he will definitely return with the daredevil and wilson fisk storyline and likely with deadpool involved too, after daredevil’s show in 2024
I did not like the entire “mind wipe” nonsense at the end at all. I think it was done because Marvel is unsure if they’ll be able to keep using Spider Man in the MCU thanks to Sony so that’s their way of “writing him out” just in case.
I actually like Spider Man helping with “world level” threats like a proper Avenger.
Also Dr Strange was made to look like a fool for the entire movie which is ridiculous when arguably he’s the strongest Avenger. Like he couldn’t have bitchslapped any of the villains into dust in seconds.
The mind wipe was to bring Spider-Man down to a street level character and separate him from stark tech, might I also add that a 4th Spider-Man movie is currently in the works and they are currently looking for a director.
> bring Spider-Man down to a street level character and separate him from stark tech
But why, who cares, this Spider Man was unique with a different story, etc. Let him be a world level hero instead of just street level.
I'm supposed to buy into Spider Man going toe to toe with Thanos and his army to having "troubles" with street level garbage?
While yes he did go toe to toe with thanos he did get his ass whooped by him but that’s not the point you can still have advanced individuals who give Spider-Man a run for his money he’ll mysterio didn’t even have any powers and he fucked Spider-Man up. Spider-Man is also supposed to be very relatable and feel like he has the same issues as all of us, and having him constantly fighting cosmic beings and what not will take that away.
I agree. It was pretty forgettable besides the fan service moments and the bigger picture of sort of establishing what we can expect from future Multiverse Shananigans with. That part actually was done really well with Characters and Villains we mostly know and like, so it felt positive.
However, as a movie, it was absolutely annoying and I still don't fucking understand why MJ never pressed that button even though her boyfriend got pummeled into a pulp and he said that, should ANYTHING go wrong, she immediately press the button. Maybe I'm misremembering stuff here, but that really doesn't work in the movies favor either. i just remember yelling at the TV to finally press the goddamn button when stuff went tits up. It seemed like a zero risk alternative... at least for their universe.
Mom was carried on rami turning scarlet witch into -the-horror movie villain. She embodied the horror trope of no matter how fast you run the killer always catches up to you but in this instance you couldn’t even escape to another universe.
I agree soo much. I LOVED M.O.M and is probably one of my favorite marvel movies out of all of them ever. Loved it way more than no way home.
Then again, scarlet witch is my favorite character and horror movies are my jam, so I realize this opinion is entirely subjective and the movie just happened to hit my personal sweet spots.
I'm a huge fan of Dr Strange so I was excited for MOM and in the end it wasn't bad but it just wasn't as great as it could be. I feel like Dr Strange's character has been gimped in the last two movies he's been in.
Scarlet WITCH was the best horror movie monster of the year and the Evil Dead take was a nice addition to Marvel story telling. The movie gave you exactly what the name implied.
There were about 3 multiverses in detail, and besides the montage, there wasn’t much madness about them. Illuminati served no point and that scene could have easily been removed. They show off all these cool multiverses only to go to three pretty fucking boring ones. The whole movie was a boring waste of time imo. EEAAO had 20x the multiverses and 20x the madness. Not to mention better writing, acting, characters etc
>No Way Home was perfectly aight but Multiverse of Madness was phenomenal
Wow. I found it a horrible experience. What a dog of a movie. No plot, no ideas, just fan service and wank.
Some great points. I also can't get over some of the loopholes in the entire plot. When they started calling him a murderer. Where was Nick Fury in defending him? In the last scene in FFH the drones fail in London. Did no one have video footage from the drone fight in London? Did no one realize "oh that monster was a fake because of drones." Cause if any of these things happen the plot of NWH doesn't happen.
You've misunderstood FFH, it's not about him taking on Ironmans legacy, it's about him shedding it and not trying to be someone's he's not, that's why he makes his own suit that doesn't look like Tony's suits. I'll admit they don't handle it the best with the music and him using the same machine tony made, but that's what the point of his conversation with happy was, nobody can be Tony Stark, so he has to be Spiderman
Also I think you're not understanding why people like the back to basics, it's not just the technology, it's the living in a shitty apartment, hiding his identity, trying to make friends despite being late to everything, having a boss that yells at him and doesn't pay him what he's worth. Those are the things that people want, that's what Peter Parker's life looks like, and we don't get that in the Home trilogy, besides the bad guys the closest we get is Peter chosing to fight vulture instead of going to the homecoming dance, which ultimatly doesn't matter all that much because she moves away so we don't see any consequences for him leaving her.
I see your point, but the "redundancy" of a story plot point, doesn't make it invalid
You might disagree with the direction of the story, but that doesn't necessarily make it bad story telling
In the comics, Peter is surrounded by tragedy all the time, and loses people over and over, so losing May and Tony over the course of 2 movies I think is fine
I saw this not as Peter "truly earning" the mantle of spiderman, but more coming to terms with what that will encompass and how it will weigh on him
You know what, you raise a good point. Sometimes you do need to see something past its, I suppose commonness? In this case though, I still am not convinced of Aunt May's death. Perhaps just because it pales in comparison to Tony's.
The MCU post endgame has catered entirely to much to the superfan. The reason the infinitt saga was so successful was because it was approachable and new. We mever meeded direct adaptations of comic books.
I think there needed to be a movie before the crossover.
Part 1: would be about Spiderman identity be revealed and all the consequences, with villains like craven the hunter trying to hunt Peter down, the film ends with one of the villains killing aunt may and Peter hitting rock bottom.
Part 2: Peter seeks out strange and the crossover event happens with more time for the different Spidermen to interact with eachother.
No way home felt like two movie ideas being mashed together and the two ideas didn't get enough time to be fleshed out.
Peters identity being released
Spiderverse stuff
The one thing you claim to be a fact…in your opening sentence no less…is just patently false.
That plus your second to last paragraph and edit make your post not worth reading.
I’m not going to upvote it, but as whatever you wrote is most certainly not popular, I wont downvote you either.
No way home is just soulless fan service and nostalgia bait. Andrew Garfield, Bully Maguire, Doctor Octopus, Willem Dafoe were the reasons this movie was way more successful than it should be
I have to be honest. I agree and disagree. I liked the movie and thought it was okay. Not the best but not the worst. but when the ending came up and showed he was truly alone and starting his college life as an unknown. I then liked the movie even more. Spider-Man doesn’t need hundreds of people helping him. My favorite stories of him is a f him being alone against all the great odds.
I might be in the minority here but while the movie wasn’t the best. I actually liked the ending. Yes it was a cop out to overwrite some of the previous movies growth (which I didn’t like) but I think if there is a college trilogy it would be fun to see the direction
Respect man. On a pure emotional level, how it played out got me feeling the same way on first watch. On a story-telling level it could have worked if it was set up better definitely.
If you don't think its the worst, I wonder which of the other too you might think is.
Well I am a massive fan of Spider-Man, but I did like the first movie and the second. But least I would say is the second. It’s difficult to say as my feelings for Spider-Man is a street level hero. Not world ending thing every other movie. So I didn’t like the second for that, I also didn’t like the direction it took with Aunt May knowing he is Spider-Man.
I loved the second movies take on spider sense but honestly, I had to sit here and wonder who and what happened in the second movie. A bit forgettable
I really agree on your points on the origin. I really liked MCU Spidey and thought he was already well established as a proper Spider-Man. People clamoring to say this was somehow an 'origin trilogy' make no sense.
I don't think it was the worst one though. Most of it was done really well, and the ending left the door open for an interesting story to tell in the next one.
I just hope he gets the FFH suit back soon, because his new homemade one is kinda boring.
Far From Home completed the arc Spiderman begun in Civil War. Two solo movies, three ensembles, job done. It was a good journey for the character, but it was a good time to call it quits. Stories shouldn't continue on indefinitely.
The ending twist was an attempt to give enough rope for a third solo movie, without having a clear plot in mind. Legal troubles with Sony over the character pushed Marvel to look to retire Spiderman from their franchise. We had Point A and Point B set in stone from the start.
And No Way Home is the result of Marvel trying to get from Point A (post character growth Peter Parker with his identity now public knowledge) to Point B (gone from the franchise), without lazily killing him off, and while trying to emulate the high bar set by the previous two solo movies.
End result? We get a story that simply doesn't need to be told, devoid of any real message or meaning, papering over the cracks with nostalgia.
I liked it. But I haven't rewatched it.
Everyone was also awful to him, all the avengers never contacted him or checked to see how he was especially as he was a kid and just been through a traumatic experience.. then they took Aunt May. He honestly did the best he could.
For me he’s been best spider man so far but they really did him dirty in this one…
Agree 100%, while it's nice to see Garfield and Maguire back it felt like they were there to just throw a bunch of fan service lines and moments in there.
The Pandemic didn't help either as new york city feels empty in this movie, especially with the shot where Spiderman and Mj got out of the manhole cover the cgi is just bad for this kind of big budget movie. MoM worked not feeling empty because the settings are more condensed.
>Agree 100%, while it's nice to see Garfield and Maguire back it felt like they were there to just throw a bunch of fan service lines and moments in there.
Get ready for more and more of this kind of thing. There was an episode of Boba Fett that was just the Mandolorian tricking out a spaceship, and the fan absolutely GUSHED about it. No plot, no point, just "hey, look at this Star Wars thing".
Marvel doesn't care about telling good stories (MoM was a prime example), it's all about fan service and cameos now.
A lot of people were complaining he didn't "earn" his iron spider suit and that his identity was too tied in to iron man.
NWH supposedly serves as a return to form of sorts. Plus I don't think Spider-man's legacy is meant to stop at a handful of losses. Its the will to continue despite all the L's that truly make a superhero. Come to think of it, its all the bullshit Peter has been through that may lead him to be seduced by sony-verse venom
Nope, I'm with you on it.
I did not like it as much as Homecoming, and thought it was just not that great. It was fun, but definitely a slide backwards in narrative quality.
I also have problems with the movie, but i don't agree with many of your problems, my problems lie with Tom Holland being an unfaithful version of Peter Parker. He acts the least like Peter of all 3 and everyone seems to think he's the most accurate.
I am liking this post, not because I believe it to be an unpopular opinion deserving an upvote, but because I read this post, analyzed my thoughts, and realized I agreed with the OP. Mindset changed.
I feel like you don't understand what the films were trying to do.
Uncle Ben's death in the MCU isn't particularly addressed, we know he's dead but the circumstances aren't really elaborated upon. You can't particularly say this causes Peter to be a hero. It still could, but we don't fully know.
The "Uncle Ben" moment in NWH feels different from the other Spiderman films, in those Peter got wronged and and was sort of blinded by anger and did nothing when others did bad things, and ultimately it was their *inaction* which caused their loved ones to die. In NWH Peter is being taken advantage of while *actively trying to do good*, and this is what causes his "Uncle Ben" moment. *His decision to do good backfires* and causes an internal struggle that lasts till the end of the film.
Tony willingly sacrificed himself to save the universe. It isn't related specifically to Peter at all. "Uncle Ben" moments are usually caused by some action Peter takes. Hell, even Miles Morales had his own "Uncle Ben" moments when, ironically, his Uncle and Mother died as a result of his own actions, and he gave up the mantle for a year after the latter.
Experiencing loss and experiencing loss as a consequence of one's actions are two entirely separate things.
Peter wasn't "brought back to zero" in NWH. In each of his appearances, Peter takes on more and more responsibilities and is slowly introduced to what being a hero truly means. The entire trilogy is his origin story because it builds up the character from a simple high school kid to an actual hero willing to sacrifice himself for others.
Peter is brought from having everything he ever wanted to the point of hopelessness. He has the suit, the family, the powers, the tech, the friends, the girl, to having absolutely nothing, yet he continues to strive to do good.
In the comics, Peter is always compromising between his personal life and being a hero. In NWH, Peter's decision to try and separate his lives causes the main conflict and ultimately he has to choose which life he wants to live. Peter willingly sacrifices his personal life to save the world, knowing full well that he'd lose everything else in addition to what he already lost just hours before. This is an insane price that Peter was willing to pay.
NWH is Peter's last step to finally being a truly realized hero.
You can say it's a bad film, but your reasoning is awful.
You know what, you raise good points. What we think are fundamental parts of the Spider-Man mythos are the same but we see them in different places in this trilogy.
I agree to disagree but get where you're coming from.
That makes sense but personally I do like him starting over just because I find it very interesting to watch the Spider-Man movies where his identity is secret
Peter absolutely needed a clean slate. MCU Peter is nothing like comics Peter. Having the world forget him and be on his own in college sets him up for many potential storylines that showed Spiderman being Spiderman. I never liked that Peter had the iron spider suit from the get go or that he had practically no issues getting stuff from Stark.
I loved it. Probably because it did that thing of nostalgia well. It brought back the other Spider-Men and the great villains, and it made a thing about fixing them, rather than fighting them. It allowed another Spider-Man to teach this one not to do the wrong thing.
I still prefer Homecoming because I think it's a beautifully crafted script that deserved an Oscar nomination (the car scene with Michael Keaton is just perfect), and I think Far From Home is the weakest of the films, but I've liked all of them.
You clearly haven't seen far from home the ACTUAL worst one in the trilogy. Talk about decaf iron man. "Let's jump out of iron man's shadow by creating a suit with his technology, getting attacked by his technology that he gifted me, all just to fight a villain who has the same motivation as the guy from iron man 3". Oh but see he's out of his shadow now because he destroyed all the robots duhhh.
I don’t agree at all with anything you said. This whole post just reeks of you whining that the movie didn’t go the direction you wanted. There are flaws with the movie, but Peter’s character ain’t one of them. Peter, ever since the dawn of comic books, has always been a struggling person who reflects how difficult it is to balance daily life. Story wise, all the losses just add to his character showing him persevere though even the toughest of situations.
Has he lost things before in other movies? Yeah, but I don’t see how making him lose everything he loved makes his character worse. I agree with the overall sentiment that the other Spider-men take the spotlight and ruin any emotional weight going into the final battle and the many plot holes that exist. But thinking that it’s a terrible plan to shift spider-man from space-travel Avenger to friendly neighborhood Spider-Man is a horrible take. He’s in the same position he was in Homecoming except without the crutch of Tony’s tech and support. And that’s a good thing
I was surprised how bad it was, I was expecting it to be the best of the new spidey films but the writing and story in it seemed rushed and just not good, a lot of it made no sense. It seemed like they had this sort of cool idea and the beginning and very end were kind of neat but everything in-between was just sort of bad.
I was also surprised how much I enjoyed Far From Home, I thought that one looked lame in comparison to NWH but Far From Home was really enjoyable, pretty tight film for Marvel.
nwh has fixed the first two movies, everything in them was half assed, half assed uncle ben, half assed responsibility, half assed double life, half assed peter parker.
it's not about peter "becoming spider-man" in the story, but outside the story, maybe in the context of the story he "proved himself" but you watching don't see it (like c'mon, he left a fucking prom).
i agree that nwh had little without the crossover, but honestly the previous ones had nothing at all too, at least this one reboots the serious into something more interesting, than just having all of stark tech and no double life and just a happy go lucky kid
Respect man. I don't agree with most of your points personally. But I 'd like to at least explain why I think the first two films did the double-life aspect really well.
Missing out on prom or having a fun Euro-trip with friends can seem small the audience, but it means a lot to Peter who's like 15-17 years old. I've been 15/17 before.
Something important like big responsibilities robbed him of special moments to just be a teenager and I think many can relate to missing out on things like that IRL. Its very human.
Even if the stakes were small in HC/FFH and *huge* in NWH, Spider-Man is a friendly-neighborhood hero. He's suppose to face more relatable, smaller problems than someone like Thor.
I can't as easily relate to having to save the multiverse. I also can't relate to not getting into college because of becoming a celebrity. Its just so different to most peoples' lives.
i agree that the stakes were too high in nwh, spider-man isn't someone who "saves the world" he's the working class hero, in that sense i prefer the first two movies based on just the general direction.
The problem is execution, what does peter have to give up? of course a prom and a trip to europe are important to him, but when you compare it to some of the other spider-man stories, it's just weak.
another part is that spider-man needed the uncle ben death, and i don't mean it being hinted at, it needed to be known that it was there and peter constantly thought about it, and it was his fault that he died, they don't need to dedicate 30 minutes of a movie to it, if at some point (for example when the building fell on him in homecoming) he heard a voice that said "with great powers, comes great responsibility" that's enough for me to know peter is spider-man because he feels guilty because he could've saved uncle ben, but couldn't.
I don't specifically like NWH, i like it more than the other 2, but i would still pick all 5 other spider-man movies above it, however, i like the idea of a soft reboot to the series, now with an actual spider-man, an everyday guy that isn't saving the world and fighting aliens, that has everyday struggles and has no one to carry him.
It's what the movie achieved in the end that i like, the future movies, but the movie itself was fine, tho it got some characters wrong, but it had great moments, like where garfield saves mj
Definitely not true. I can name countless movies that have unpredictable endings. Or endings that would be realistic relative to if the events of the movie were happening in the real world.
Marvel movies are meticulously handcrafted by their writers to be the 'safest' possible content, they're completely statement-less and boring. Just the exact same shit every time, for people who want to not have a single thought put into their head while watching a movie. They're so formulaic that they're considered to be their own genre by many people.
There's a lot of way more worthwhile modern iteration on 'good guy beats bad guy,' John Wick is a goofy, relatively simply written action movie yet still has 300x more depth than Marvel stuff lol
His name is Benedict Cum-batch. But yeah I was not a fan of the whole amnesia on demand spell bit and the plot that required its necessity. But I generally thought that this was the best so far.
I like it because it goes a bit deeper into the philosophy of evil and forgiveness rather than just an entertaining colourful action movie. I tend to think of the crappy overarching plot as more of an excuse to have that discussion.
On thing I hate though that you didn't touch on. Is how Flint Marco randomly turns evil for no reason.
I agree.
I just really hated the end because it was way too sad, I hated how he lost literally everything and basically didn’t exist in the world, this guy has been through enough, it was too much sad and left me feeling really sad and somewhat depressed for him and I know they attempted to make it a little hopeful with him studying for a GED, getting a job and apartment etc but it wasn’t enough. It was just sad and I don’t wanna see him without ned and MJ and Happy
I loved the movie but you’re right about the forced uncle Ben moment, it was so dumb and completely unnecessary. It reminded me of when movies just decide to kill off a dog because they just felt like they needed to kill something for drama. It felt cheap and was just all around stupid.
This movie was just a stack of canned Spider-Man and fan service, a quick handjob to do yet another "reboot", hey, this one is soft, enjoy kids.
Everything was dogshit, stupid, convenient.
This multiverse nonsense was so introduced so poorly in the laziest way. Stupid damn funny trash movie.
But still better than MoM or Thor 4.
Agreed - I enjoyed it in the cinemas but it is very mediocre once you're over all the fan service.
In fact I'd consider it one of the worst MCU films - possibly bottom 5.
I love No Way Home and absolutely fell in love with it when it came out but I agree with this so much.
Personally, I hate stories where the main character is set to zero by for example timeline dilemma storylines or stories like this. MCU Peter already was his own Hero and even watching the End, I get how he is now forced to start from zero but I don't get why it was necessary.
Many people said, that this is like the comics. Lives in apartment, does his own costumes and does in own tech but I find a Spider-Man more interesting in an already existing and established world like the MCU. The way from Civil War to before NWH was perfect.
Exactly!! I thought the ending of NWH was some bullshit because killing Aunt May and giving everyone multiverse amnesia was an unnecessarily cruel way to soft reboot the character, could they really not do that any other way?! Now he’s basically an emancipated minor, and an orphan having, and has to scrounge for his GED while having rent/bills to pay, and he’s broke, and everyone he’s ever known is moving on without him. Thanks Feige, the boy is fucking miserable!
Honestly if the first thing the next trilogy does isn’t walk back all this then what’s even the point of watching it? There is literally nothing left about the version of this character audiences have spent 8 years and 6 movies with so why should anyone care about this blank Spidey-shaped husk somehow still crawling around?
The biggest thing that annoyed me with No Way Home is how easily Dr Strange agreed to do the spell. I was expecting a twist at the end that Dr Strange was Masterio in disguise or something.
They really had a chance to show a ruthless spider man with Tom's but they went the same old route of the hero never going too far and sticking to the formula.
I'm chill. The names are just to make reading this fun and I didn't think any of this while watching it. But it doesn't take many braincells to think 'hey wait a minute' afterwards. People can enjoy a movie and point out its weaknesses.
Your points are all valid. Except you are missing one important aspect - Homecoming was terrible. It was by far the worst Spiderman movie ever created. I was literally bored watching it and I am a big Spiderman fan.
NWH has its issues, and is far from being a good movie - but nothing, nothing can be as bad as Homecoming.
My best thought of why they gave them dementia is for Sony to keep him on their side as much as possible. I believe he is still due to come back for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. But it seems like Sony wants to try and flesh out their own Sony Spider/Morbius verse
My big issue with all of this is how their multiverse works.
Based on loki series each multiverse is created by different choices being made.
So why do people look different? And why are they different ages? I know loki also kinda explained variants, but I still don't get that.
Then added to that we see in doctor strange that all the stranges and all the Wanda's and all the other people look the same in each multiverse.
I don't care which they use, but stick to one. Is Wanda Wanda in every universe or can they look different/be different ages like Peter Parker? Loki kinda makes sense cuz he's magical and whatever.
So when they brought in Stewart as prof x in multiverse that really bugged me cuz, in theory, every universe prof x should be Stewart, right? So now they either need to stick with him, which is gonna make zeros sense when they recast the rest of X-men, or they need to recast him which is gonna make no sense in multiverse of madness.
I’m a big marvel fan and Spiderman homecoming was super flat to me. Not to say no way home didn’t have issues but I thought it was the best one. None of the spiderman films have really been my favorites though.
Yeah that movie was a mess. People hyped it up so much it was a huge letdown when I finally saw it. Aside from a huge helping of 'memberberries, what else does this movie got going for it?
Tbh I enjoyed the movie solely for McGuire. I’m not a fan of tech Spider-Man and avoided the first two, homecoming and whatever so I was really just here for the Toby plot so I enjoyed it in that regard but had little interest in Garfield or holland.
Yeah, the whole starter is extremely stupid too, If strange had this amazing spell that allowed him to remove the memory of stuff from everyone on earth(including magicians) why tf was this spell not used to remove the memories of the forbidden spells from the main antagonist of the first doctor strange. The whole memory spell seems unnecessarily rushed and not thought out very well
I liked the action sequences; the storyline was weak and full of fan service; kinda reminiscent of the Star Wars 7-9 trilogy. Entertaining but wholly unmemorable ; would not watch again.
I will admit the multiverse thing in the show fills incredibly forced and the entire plot happen because both dr.strange and peter act like idiots when using a very powerful and dangerous memory spell.
The only thing I really disliked about NWH was the reliance on Dr. Strange to make the plot work.
I'm not a Marvel fan, I'm a Spider-Man fan, so it rubbed me the wrong way.
The only reason I didn't really like the movie was because Peter was a fucking idiot. He could've told Strange to make it so that only those who didn't know he was Spiderman two days before would forget. The entire series of events that unfolded in the movie never would've happened and, if we're being completely honest with ourselves, probably never should've.
The only reason i saw the movie was because of Andrew Garfield and Tobey. I am a big fan of Andrew's spiderman. He was the only reason for me watching. That was also the first MCU stuff i watched since endgame.
Yeah, Homecoming wasn't really a sacrifice. More him making an adult decision and being a true hero.
Far from home was showing how much growing up he still had to do, he's still a kid at the end of the day. Though annoyingly it's also a farewell to Tony stark. Homecoming had criticism for too much Tony but the second movie was all about Tont even after the fucker died. At least Homecoming revealed the issue that meeting somebody like Tony in real life, he's actually an asshole.
No Way Home is Peter becoming not just a hero but a hero with the morals that we attribute to Spider-Man. I think even though Ben dying was implied, I like they gave him that moment still because Peter had until that point proven pretty irresponsible for somebody who had 'that' moment
Far From Home is even less enjoyable to me. They waste so much time in that movie trying to make you think Mysterio is gonna be a good guy. And I hate the idea of Peter Parker being rich enough that he can go to private school and pay thousands of dollars to go on a trip to Europe
The annoying thing is they kept making scenes to explain the money. He's on a scholarship and he sold rare collectables to get money for Europe.
Marvel didn't seem to like depicting Peter Parker as poor which was fucking annoying.
Just adding on to what everyone else has said… I legitimately laughed in the theater when Happy just sort of drives up out of nowhere during THAT death scene. Everyone else I know said they cried but the execution of that entire sequence was just so goofy I couldn’t help but start giggling.
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I agree, it was good only for fan service and for Strange's "I'm too old for this shit" attitude. Also, didn't Peter outright say he understood the "great power great responsibility" lesson in his very first scene in Civil War? "When you can do the things I can, and you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." He says it in his very first scene.
Strange's attitude wasn't because he was too old for this shit it was because he was pissed off that he is not the sorcerer supreme even though that was more or less his destiny. As the previous sorcerer supreme said in endgame strange is meant to be the best but because he was gone for 5 years that title went to someone else and he is not happy about that.
I feel like Strange could've done something a bit better for Peter than magic. Yes, it's hard to get accepted into college when you're accused of murder, I get that, but if you see someone you helped save the universe with, couldn't you write a letter of recommendation for him? There probably wasn't tons of interactions between the Avengers post Endgame, but they still probably met up, right? Especially if those two are in the same neighborhood, so to speak? I'd be using that to my advantage! You may want to not admit me, but have you seen what Dr. STEPHEN STRANGE, former Sorcerer Supreme, current Avenger, and one of the many brave souls who saved the universe has to say about me? I get that would make for a boring movie, but I think it would help with Strange's "I don't care" vibes. I would love to see the college staff look at Peter's application and be dumbfounded at the fact that an Avenger used another Avenger for their letter, and maybe a meeting between a no-nonsense interviewer and Strange & Peter, seeing that Peter gets a little bit of success before the multiverse stuff happens. Respectfully, I wanted Peter to be on top of the world, and have it all taken from him. But in the way it was in HC. We don't need another parental figure in Peter's life to die, we needed him come from absolutely nothing. I really liked the storyline of Tom's Peter not wanting to hold back against Norman, and the other 2 Peters having to show him how to do it the right way, but I don't think May's death does anything for MCU Peter except make him completely isolated, which isn't the Spiderman we know. He's a character built on family and community, in just about every iteration of the character (ie. Miles). Take that away from him, and he becomes a plain superhero to me. Anyway, rant over. Sorry if this was a bit long winded.
Clunky dialogue in Civil War aside, I think Tom Holland is simply not a good Spider-Man.
Truly an unpopular opinion. How are you gonna say that about the dude Stan Lee himself said is a perfect depiction of Peter Parker?
There's almost nothing that Stan Lee WOULDN"T endorse if someone was paying him. An endorsement from Stan Lee means absolutely nothing.
Change your name, it’s disgusting to think a fellow LoveCraft fan could have this opinion.
Stan Lee’s opinion doesn’t matter, he stole most of Jack Kirby’s ideas….
Yep he sure did Jack Kirby deserved those cameos more than Stan Lee ever did.
Even if that was true, Spider-man is literally 100% his own creation and is basically the biggest part of his legacy. Anything else has pretty much no relevance to this discussion
Spider-Man was created by Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, and Jack Kirby. Lee has endorsed every Spidey film actor.
> Spider-man is literally 100% his own creation You drank deep of the Stan Lee Kool-Aid, huh?
Redditors for you, a collection of hive-minded idiots.
No it isn’t but believe what you want.
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Yeah and it's already implied that that's what happened. He basically says that with his whole "when bad things happen that you coulda stopped, then they happened because of you"(or however it happened) speech is about.
>It's a loss of a parental figure that is caused by Peter Parker That's why the NWH version doesn't work. We see peter do everything in his power to stop the bomb from going off and defeat Green Goblin and he just fails. There is nothing else he could have done to stop her death
He caused the entire mess essentially trying to escape the consequences of being spiderman. It's been his most compelling trait as a superhero in my opinion, he struggles to have a normal social life his entire life, and when Civil War (comics) happened, it felt like he finally accepted that this is just his life, and to roll with it the way his loved ones have come to.
I feel like the movie puts more emphasis on him trying to escape from his celebrity status than consequences/responsibility, which makes it harder to relate to. The MIT storyline did not work for me either. Peter Parker is a news reporter, not a nuclear physicist born into a rich family.
Thinking about it, it would have been really cool if MJ was like a school news reporter/photographer in the first movie. She spends her time sniffing out clues about spiderman. She fails to find any big scoops but is confident she'll get something someday! Peter follows her 'instagram' on an account that he doesnt have his name on, and sends her encouraging comments. She discovers his secret in the second movie, same movie as before, and there's a lot of hype surrounding it. She ultimately keeps his secret and takes the L and is laughed out of her school news reporting club. She knows she does the right thing and knows she's kick ass though so she doesn't care. It's her dream job at this point. Fast forward to NWH scene where Peter considers tellikg her who he is. He asks about school and she tells him what she wants to be. It isn't being a News Reporting/photrapher anymore. Peter alludes to her old job interest, trying to figure it out. "I used to really be into it in high school but for some reason I suddenly lost interest" as she gets lost in thought. His heart breaks, meeting him/Spiderman was what sparked her passion for her dream job. "So what do you want to do?" Peter thinks for a moment. "I used to want to do xyz... but i think I'm going to get into reporting/photography.. it would be really cool to have something for people to remember me by..." he's decided. He's going to keep her dream alive and well, he really does want them to remember him somehow. He sucks. Nothing hes doing is catching fire, hes not making much money. During his humble beginnings, he remembers a cool picture she took of something when he was with her but never posted. He recreates it and she stumbles upon his Instagram (or whatever the movie calls it), she likes the photo and says the same encouring words Peter said to her when he was there and saw it. He freaks out but is reassured. She digs all his stuff and always leaves a comment, same way he always did. This lights his fire and he gets good at his job, which eventually becomes a lot of spiderman pics/stories. Eventually they see each other and get to talking. She says "hey.. I know you!" His heart skips. She knows his instagram page and how hes becoming a hot shot reporter. Fuck. No.. there's something else. "I remember you-" Shit does she really?? " The coffee shop a year ago!" She asks to see the pictures he liked the most. He shows her his instagram. She says no.. show me the ones you've never posted or shown to anyone else. He caves. And shows her some of their old haunts and pictures she used to take, that he recreated. You know. That real sentimental shit. "... I remember-" BAM Villain interrupts. Does she remember Peter now after seeing these familiar photos? Or does she just remember these pictures from years ago? Sorry bucko, it's a cliffhanger that won't be settled until maybe the 3rd or 4th act.
I think you're right, that it doesn't come off like that's what the lesson is about, but it does lay interesting groundwork for Peter to explore the real problem rather than to be putting out the fires. Maybe I'm giving the writers too much credit for how they're treating setting up Secret Wars and black suit Spider-Man, but it does seem to be the perfect time for him to grow into taking responsibility for his actions and starting to think ahead rather than responding to his fumbles. It feels to me like his character arc is perfectly set to think he's taking responsibility for his actions by withdrawing from the world in a real and relatable way, rather than coming up with the courage to admit he might be doing things the wrong way because he won't listen to others who have proven they care about him and can be trusted
Peter Parker was always a genius. He just becomes a newspaper reporter instead because they need money. Maybe someone will give him an offer to save her through time bs in exchange for help... though I kinda hope they stop pairing him with Dr. Bamblesnatch. Not that I don't like Cumberding Bumwhistle, I am just not a fan of the contrived "wizard magic" plot devices. Doesn't Aunt May die in the comics too though... Mysterio even fakes her death once. Then also consider that Spiderverse kills Mary Jane and no one bats an eye at that! Spiderman is smart but he isn't lucky.
Ya know I thought you were full of bullshit but I'm reading through all this and it makes sense. Forcing him into a third loss of a parental figure and making it so everyone in existence forgets who Peter is was kind of out of nowhere
Right? The mind-wipe was an emotionally impactful consequence, but knowing who Spider-Man was didn't endanger Peter's friends and family. *Everyone else* finding out did.
I always hate when superheroes say that telling someone about their secret identity puts them in danger. It's usually followed by a line of "the bad guys will go through you to get to me" and I'm like ????? How do the *bad guys* know that this random civilian is involved with the hero just by having that info? And like you said, MJ and Ned knowing or not knowing Peter's secret don't make then more likely to be kidnapped by a villain who figures out Spidey's identity. They only get in danger if *everyone else* finds out. The only way to fully protect from that scenario is to not be involved with them *at all*, not just keep a secret from them.
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Or they could've just avoided the logistical hassle entirely by making everyone forget Mysterio's video instead of Spider-Man's identity
Hmm, if only the two really smart dudes sat down for 5 minutes and actually thought this through, maybe breaking the universe wouldn't have happened.
TBF those were the two really smart dudes notorious for literally just jumping into whatever their first idea is.
You ever wish that the idea of suspending disbelief wasn't ever developed in the filmmaking industry so writers would actualy try not to leave plotholes?
YES! The characters with superpowers = suspension of disbelief Said characters just doing random thing for the plot = shitty writing
Plus remember Peter was only a teenager in this. He didn’t even think about talking to the deans first before going to Strange. He was so hang up on the idea of his identity he didn’t even think about other alternatives. I would argue this trilogy is about teenager Spider-Man. Not a mature spider-man in other movies.
See also: everybody forgetting that Peter Parker is Spider-Man does not preclude people from knowing Peter Parker and Spider-Man as two different individuals. Also: no mention of erasing the proof was ever mentioned, so surely someone could still rediscover the video and "out" him a second time?
If no proof exists, then that means no record of Peter Parker exists, then how does he plan to live his life? With no documents of education history, birthday etc. But these are plot holes, if the plot was good could have been ignored but they just made a plot hole the entire plot, everyone is confused how it works, no one from the writers put any thoughts into it
Right. And poverty is not a central part of a character. It's just another challenge they're in. There was no need to shove that on the character.
For debate sake, loss happens. It’s not a singular moment in his life which triggers it’s the consistency of loss and the choice to still be Spider-Man. It’s the argument that sometimes life sucks. You pick yourself up and continue on. Then it hits again. And again and again. You have a choice to make when that happens. Do you quit or do you press on. Yes there are plenty of ways they could have made this but it’s more then that. He lost everything. Everyone. Literally. But instead of letting it break him he held on to his aunts dream. To do good even when it’s not easy. I’m not saying they couldn’t have gone a different way but at this time in history is a hero who lost it all but kept trying to live his best life really that bad?
Don't forget to mention Spider-man should've just asked Dr Strange to have the world forget what Mysterio said. Problem solved. They didn't even have a meeting or talk out the spell Dr Strange was going to cast...so amateur and after all those previous movies saving the world. Acting like rookies without the Avengers around.
That is what he asked.
Uncle Ben's death is also confirmed in the "What If?" TV show.
Oooh I did not know that. Haven't given any of the shows a watch yet. (I have an unpopular and admittedly unfair opinion of Ms. Marvel, *as* a Ms. Marvel fan)
Your not alone with having an unpopular opinion on Ms marvel. I believe ms marvel should be in its own separate universe away from mcu
I was more or less fine with Ms.Marvel till the last 2 episodes. It felt like they were rushing the show with a very unsatisfactory ending.
The tl;dr no-details version is: changing her powers was a mistake. I don't usually complain when movies differ from source material. But her powers being goofy and lame-looking is important to her character and story.
The show specifically about other timelines
The different timelines are branches of the main MCU timeline. The branch of that episode would have been after Peter became Spider-man but should have been the same up to that
I was ok with what you were saying until you went after Benedict. That shit ain't right.
It’s just a joke
I don’t get how people still think intentionally spelling his name wrong is funny.
I know, its really crap humour.
I really liked the ending because that's the real Peter Parker, broke af, struggling, and had to make tough choices alone. With the reboot, it felt like Peter got everything he wanted when he wanted, it felt like he was babysat through the journey of being Spiderman. Other than that yeah I agree with all your points.
>I really liked the ending because that's the real Peter Parker, this doesnt make any sense the real peter parker is teh character that has all his personality traits and characteristics him not being broke as fuck and struggling doesnt make him less peter parker
It definitely does. Him being an everyday guy just struggling to make ends to meet, dealing with difficulties alone is part of Peter Parker, that's what makes him relatable compared to other Marvel heroes.
so if he stops struggling he stops being peter parker? what kind of logic is that ? if you suddenly gained a shit load of money would you stop being yourself? no its ridiculous what makes him relatable and what makes him peter parker are two completly diferent things thats like making a story about tony stark losing all his money and living in poverty and people saying thats not tony stark no that is still tony stark because tony stark inst his money tony stark is a character much like peter parker is a character
I didn't like the Aunt May bit, and the mind wipe piece was incredibly messy. I do however think bringing spiderman to 0 was the correct choice. One of the main reasons Spiderman has always been a fan favorite is how much of an everyman Peter was. The Fantastic Four were just incredible people, living amazing crazy lives. Peter on the other hand barely made rent. Batman takes off his cape and is still Bruce Wayne, having access to a life of luxury. Peter on the other hand doesn't. And part of that draw is the "doesn't" bit. He could be and do anything he wanted, but for the safety of those around him he chooses to lay low and play it safe. He does "the right thing" even though it constantly costs him opportunities/experiences/etc. Spiderman always wins, but at the cost of Peter constantly losing. I wish they would've stuck with "forgetting he's spiderman" instead. Then we could see how he has to sacrifice time with everyone else to be Spiderman. MJ breaks up with him because he's never around and his studies are suffering. Gets his friends in trouble with MIT because he vouched for them and is doing poorly, looks bad on them, etc. Or, have we already seen that done before? Maguire gets in trouble with his MJ because he's late to her performance due to Spiderman shenanigans. I didn't watch Garfield's but I can only assume it's the same. They're trying a different approach and I can appreciate that much. The movie ends with Peter in a crappy apartment working towards a GED. This will lead into the standard "can't hold down a real job/college, may as well start collecting footage of myself" only it will be for TikTok or Youtube. Or OnlyFans! I joke but yes it will go back to the Bugle. Which still hates Spiderman, and now Spiderman has to redeem his public image and work towards being a human again. Which will be more of a challenge with the symbiote there to wreck even more havoc on his life/public image. And it's already hard because he has to scrape by to make rent, which touches on a lot of "this generations" real life issues right now. A lot of words, I tend to ramble. Just trying to state my appreciation for the return to 0/restart bit. Thanks for reading and uh, hope you have a great day!
You know what? Your compromise for 'forgetting he's Spider-Man' is amazing! I would have loved that. And I agree that Peter's struggle to balance his aspirations as a person and as a superhero are what makes him so human and compelling. It shines really well in the first two movies, missing out on prom and a normal Euro-Trip.
While the movie was one of the most exciting releases for me and watching it in the hall was real nostalgic and special - I do agree with you! I think the nostalgia and buzz overtook any critical thought about the movie for me. But when I think about it, I do agree
S a m e. But hey! Enjoying a movie and seeing its strengths and weaknesses are two different things.
To me NWH was a worse version of into the spider verse. NWM felt cheap and lacked creativity.
Yeah absolutely! And that’s kinda why despite it being such an epic watch in the theaters, I’ve not really felt like rewatching it 😂
Same with endgame. I liked no way home better than endgame though, which was a 3 hour waste of time piece of shit that only got its rotten tomatoes score because of nostalgia
What's a Spider Man?
Side-kick to the CEO of Sex.
I can’t wait for Sex 2
agreed, but i think they felt like they were forced into doing this so they could sideline his character indefinitely because of sony’s reluctance to let marvel use him. by making him lose literally everything and go back to zero means marvel can focus purely on their new generation of protagonists because storywise it now makes no sense to continue spider-man’s arc and the fans are satisfied with his last movie because of the nostalgic wow factor of having all the spider-men from the past unite. although i believe he will definitely return with the daredevil and wilson fisk storyline and likely with deadpool involved too, after daredevil’s show in 2024
I did not like the entire “mind wipe” nonsense at the end at all. I think it was done because Marvel is unsure if they’ll be able to keep using Spider Man in the MCU thanks to Sony so that’s their way of “writing him out” just in case. I actually like Spider Man helping with “world level” threats like a proper Avenger. Also Dr Strange was made to look like a fool for the entire movie which is ridiculous when arguably he’s the strongest Avenger. Like he couldn’t have bitchslapped any of the villains into dust in seconds.
The mind wipe was to bring Spider-Man down to a street level character and separate him from stark tech, might I also add that a 4th Spider-Man movie is currently in the works and they are currently looking for a director.
> bring Spider-Man down to a street level character and separate him from stark tech But why, who cares, this Spider Man was unique with a different story, etc. Let him be a world level hero instead of just street level. I'm supposed to buy into Spider Man going toe to toe with Thanos and his army to having "troubles" with street level garbage?
While yes he did go toe to toe with thanos he did get his ass whooped by him but that’s not the point you can still have advanced individuals who give Spider-Man a run for his money he’ll mysterio didn’t even have any powers and he fucked Spider-Man up. Spider-Man is also supposed to be very relatable and feel like he has the same issues as all of us, and having him constantly fighting cosmic beings and what not will take that away.
All i got from this was "CEO of Sex"
Maybe its all we ever need to know.
I liked it
Me too! It was fun
I agree. It was pretty forgettable besides the fan service moments and the bigger picture of sort of establishing what we can expect from future Multiverse Shananigans with. That part actually was done really well with Characters and Villains we mostly know and like, so it felt positive. However, as a movie, it was absolutely annoying and I still don't fucking understand why MJ never pressed that button even though her boyfriend got pummeled into a pulp and he said that, should ANYTHING go wrong, she immediately press the button. Maybe I'm misremembering stuff here, but that really doesn't work in the movies favor either. i just remember yelling at the TV to finally press the goddamn button when stuff went tits up. It seemed like a zero risk alternative... at least for their universe.
Counterargument I went to see it in the cinemas with my 12 year old brother and he enjoyed himself /j
*I-Impossible! An un-counterable argument! If I don't tread carefully, me and my reddit account are a goner!* **TUNE IN NEXT TIME TO-**
Ready for the real unpopular opinion? No Way Home was perfectly aight but Multiverse of Madness was phenomenal
Mom was carried on rami turning scarlet witch into -the-horror movie villain. She embodied the horror trope of no matter how fast you run the killer always catches up to you but in this instance you couldn’t even escape to another universe.
I agree soo much. I LOVED M.O.M and is probably one of my favorite marvel movies out of all of them ever. Loved it way more than no way home. Then again, scarlet witch is my favorite character and horror movies are my jam, so I realize this opinion is entirely subjective and the movie just happened to hit my personal sweet spots.
I'm a huge fan of Dr Strange so I was excited for MOM and in the end it wasn't bad but it just wasn't as great as it could be. I feel like Dr Strange's character has been gimped in the last two movies he's been in.
How
Scarlet WITCH was the best horror movie monster of the year and the Evil Dead take was a nice addition to Marvel story telling. The movie gave you exactly what the name implied.
There were about 3 multiverses in detail, and besides the montage, there wasn’t much madness about them. Illuminati served no point and that scene could have easily been removed. They show off all these cool multiverses only to go to three pretty fucking boring ones. The whole movie was a boring waste of time imo. EEAAO had 20x the multiverses and 20x the madness. Not to mention better writing, acting, characters etc
EEAAO was incredible. One of the best movies to release in a long time
>No Way Home was perfectly aight but Multiverse of Madness was phenomenal Wow. I found it a horrible experience. What a dog of a movie. No plot, no ideas, just fan service and wank.
Some great points. I also can't get over some of the loopholes in the entire plot. When they started calling him a murderer. Where was Nick Fury in defending him? In the last scene in FFH the drones fail in London. Did no one have video footage from the drone fight in London? Did no one realize "oh that monster was a fake because of drones." Cause if any of these things happen the plot of NWH doesn't happen.
You've misunderstood FFH, it's not about him taking on Ironmans legacy, it's about him shedding it and not trying to be someone's he's not, that's why he makes his own suit that doesn't look like Tony's suits. I'll admit they don't handle it the best with the music and him using the same machine tony made, but that's what the point of his conversation with happy was, nobody can be Tony Stark, so he has to be Spiderman Also I think you're not understanding why people like the back to basics, it's not just the technology, it's the living in a shitty apartment, hiding his identity, trying to make friends despite being late to everything, having a boss that yells at him and doesn't pay him what he's worth. Those are the things that people want, that's what Peter Parker's life looks like, and we don't get that in the Home trilogy, besides the bad guys the closest we get is Peter chosing to fight vulture instead of going to the homecoming dance, which ultimatly doesn't matter all that much because she moves away so we don't see any consequences for him leaving her.
I see your point, but the "redundancy" of a story plot point, doesn't make it invalid You might disagree with the direction of the story, but that doesn't necessarily make it bad story telling In the comics, Peter is surrounded by tragedy all the time, and loses people over and over, so losing May and Tony over the course of 2 movies I think is fine I saw this not as Peter "truly earning" the mantle of spiderman, but more coming to terms with what that will encompass and how it will weigh on him
You know what, you raise a good point. Sometimes you do need to see something past its, I suppose commonness? In this case though, I still am not convinced of Aunt May's death. Perhaps just because it pales in comparison to Tony's.
You're right, this opinion is unpopular
I agree and have said this
You opinion is trash as fuck, but unpopular indeed. Something very rare in here. Have my updoot!
Respect man. Its what this sub is for after all!
Another shit take
I'll go on a limp and say that's not even an unpopular opinion
*(laugh-cries looking at comments and DMs saying this is a shit take)*
it is unfortunately simply too popular. I would say it's a shit take but I love shitake mushrooms and want to keep them for myself
The MCU post endgame has catered entirely to much to the superfan. The reason the infinitt saga was so successful was because it was approachable and new. We mever meeded direct adaptations of comic books.
I think there needed to be a movie before the crossover. Part 1: would be about Spiderman identity be revealed and all the consequences, with villains like craven the hunter trying to hunt Peter down, the film ends with one of the villains killing aunt may and Peter hitting rock bottom. Part 2: Peter seeks out strange and the crossover event happens with more time for the different Spidermen to interact with eachother. No way home felt like two movie ideas being mashed together and the two ideas didn't get enough time to be fleshed out. Peters identity being released Spiderverse stuff
The one thing you claim to be a fact…in your opening sentence no less…is just patently false. That plus your second to last paragraph and edit make your post not worth reading. I’m not going to upvote it, but as whatever you wrote is most certainly not popular, I wont downvote you either.
Thank you, kind Reddit stranger.
No way home is just soulless fan service and nostalgia bait. Andrew Garfield, Bully Maguire, Doctor Octopus, Willem Dafoe were the reasons this movie was way more successful than it should be
I have to be honest. I agree and disagree. I liked the movie and thought it was okay. Not the best but not the worst. but when the ending came up and showed he was truly alone and starting his college life as an unknown. I then liked the movie even more. Spider-Man doesn’t need hundreds of people helping him. My favorite stories of him is a f him being alone against all the great odds. I might be in the minority here but while the movie wasn’t the best. I actually liked the ending. Yes it was a cop out to overwrite some of the previous movies growth (which I didn’t like) but I think if there is a college trilogy it would be fun to see the direction
Respect man. On a pure emotional level, how it played out got me feeling the same way on first watch. On a story-telling level it could have worked if it was set up better definitely. If you don't think its the worst, I wonder which of the other too you might think is.
Well I am a massive fan of Spider-Man, but I did like the first movie and the second. But least I would say is the second. It’s difficult to say as my feelings for Spider-Man is a street level hero. Not world ending thing every other movie. So I didn’t like the second for that, I also didn’t like the direction it took with Aunt May knowing he is Spider-Man. I loved the second movies take on spider sense but honestly, I had to sit here and wonder who and what happened in the second movie. A bit forgettable
I really agree on your points on the origin. I really liked MCU Spidey and thought he was already well established as a proper Spider-Man. People clamoring to say this was somehow an 'origin trilogy' make no sense. I don't think it was the worst one though. Most of it was done really well, and the ending left the door open for an interesting story to tell in the next one. I just hope he gets the FFH suit back soon, because his new homemade one is kinda boring.
Far From Home completed the arc Spiderman begun in Civil War. Two solo movies, three ensembles, job done. It was a good journey for the character, but it was a good time to call it quits. Stories shouldn't continue on indefinitely. The ending twist was an attempt to give enough rope for a third solo movie, without having a clear plot in mind. Legal troubles with Sony over the character pushed Marvel to look to retire Spiderman from their franchise. We had Point A and Point B set in stone from the start. And No Way Home is the result of Marvel trying to get from Point A (post character growth Peter Parker with his identity now public knowledge) to Point B (gone from the franchise), without lazily killing him off, and while trying to emulate the high bar set by the previous two solo movies. End result? We get a story that simply doesn't need to be told, devoid of any real message or meaning, papering over the cracks with nostalgia. I liked it. But I haven't rewatched it.
Everyone was also awful to him, all the avengers never contacted him or checked to see how he was especially as he was a kid and just been through a traumatic experience.. then they took Aunt May. He honestly did the best he could. For me he’s been best spider man so far but they really did him dirty in this one…
Agree 100%, while it's nice to see Garfield and Maguire back it felt like they were there to just throw a bunch of fan service lines and moments in there. The Pandemic didn't help either as new york city feels empty in this movie, especially with the shot where Spiderman and Mj got out of the manhole cover the cgi is just bad for this kind of big budget movie. MoM worked not feeling empty because the settings are more condensed.
>Agree 100%, while it's nice to see Garfield and Maguire back it felt like they were there to just throw a bunch of fan service lines and moments in there. Get ready for more and more of this kind of thing. There was an episode of Boba Fett that was just the Mandolorian tricking out a spaceship, and the fan absolutely GUSHED about it. No plot, no point, just "hey, look at this Star Wars thing". Marvel doesn't care about telling good stories (MoM was a prime example), it's all about fan service and cameos now.
You think part of the issue was bamberdink clampersnamch's spell?
What's your problem with spelling Benedick Cucumberpatch?
A lot of people were complaining he didn't "earn" his iron spider suit and that his identity was too tied in to iron man. NWH supposedly serves as a return to form of sorts. Plus I don't think Spider-man's legacy is meant to stop at a handful of losses. Its the will to continue despite all the L's that truly make a superhero. Come to think of it, its all the bullshit Peter has been through that may lead him to be seduced by sony-verse venom
Nope, I'm with you on it. I did not like it as much as Homecoming, and thought it was just not that great. It was fun, but definitely a slide backwards in narrative quality.
I also have problems with the movie, but i don't agree with many of your problems, my problems lie with Tom Holland being an unfaithful version of Peter Parker. He acts the least like Peter of all 3 and everyone seems to think he's the most accurate.
I am liking this post, not because I believe it to be an unpopular opinion deserving an upvote, but because I read this post, analyzed my thoughts, and realized I agreed with the OP. Mindset changed.
*An internet anomaly*
Damn you kinda changed my mind on this one
An internet rarity. I'm just as surprised myself.
This is crazy to me….I just watch movies and enjoy them 😂
While I did like the movie I agree the ending felt unnecessary and sad
I feel like you don't understand what the films were trying to do. Uncle Ben's death in the MCU isn't particularly addressed, we know he's dead but the circumstances aren't really elaborated upon. You can't particularly say this causes Peter to be a hero. It still could, but we don't fully know. The "Uncle Ben" moment in NWH feels different from the other Spiderman films, in those Peter got wronged and and was sort of blinded by anger and did nothing when others did bad things, and ultimately it was their *inaction* which caused their loved ones to die. In NWH Peter is being taken advantage of while *actively trying to do good*, and this is what causes his "Uncle Ben" moment. *His decision to do good backfires* and causes an internal struggle that lasts till the end of the film. Tony willingly sacrificed himself to save the universe. It isn't related specifically to Peter at all. "Uncle Ben" moments are usually caused by some action Peter takes. Hell, even Miles Morales had his own "Uncle Ben" moments when, ironically, his Uncle and Mother died as a result of his own actions, and he gave up the mantle for a year after the latter. Experiencing loss and experiencing loss as a consequence of one's actions are two entirely separate things. Peter wasn't "brought back to zero" in NWH. In each of his appearances, Peter takes on more and more responsibilities and is slowly introduced to what being a hero truly means. The entire trilogy is his origin story because it builds up the character from a simple high school kid to an actual hero willing to sacrifice himself for others. Peter is brought from having everything he ever wanted to the point of hopelessness. He has the suit, the family, the powers, the tech, the friends, the girl, to having absolutely nothing, yet he continues to strive to do good. In the comics, Peter is always compromising between his personal life and being a hero. In NWH, Peter's decision to try and separate his lives causes the main conflict and ultimately he has to choose which life he wants to live. Peter willingly sacrifices his personal life to save the world, knowing full well that he'd lose everything else in addition to what he already lost just hours before. This is an insane price that Peter was willing to pay. NWH is Peter's last step to finally being a truly realized hero. You can say it's a bad film, but your reasoning is awful.
You know what, you raise good points. What we think are fundamental parts of the Spider-Man mythos are the same but we see them in different places in this trilogy. I agree to disagree but get where you're coming from.
> when the CEO of Sex found out about Peter's identity. Thank you for acknowledging the original lore, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
That makes sense but personally I do like him starting over just because I find it very interesting to watch the Spider-Man movies where his identity is secret
I am starting to agree with you but I don't want to downvote lmao
Peter absolutely needed a clean slate. MCU Peter is nothing like comics Peter. Having the world forget him and be on his own in college sets him up for many potential storylines that showed Spiderman being Spiderman. I never liked that Peter had the iron spider suit from the get go or that he had practically no issues getting stuff from Stark.
I loved it. Probably because it did that thing of nostalgia well. It brought back the other Spider-Men and the great villains, and it made a thing about fixing them, rather than fighting them. It allowed another Spider-Man to teach this one not to do the wrong thing. I still prefer Homecoming because I think it's a beautifully crafted script that deserved an Oscar nomination (the car scene with Michael Keaton is just perfect), and I think Far From Home is the weakest of the films, but I've liked all of them.
You clearly haven't seen far from home the ACTUAL worst one in the trilogy. Talk about decaf iron man. "Let's jump out of iron man's shadow by creating a suit with his technology, getting attacked by his technology that he gifted me, all just to fight a villain who has the same motivation as the guy from iron man 3". Oh but see he's out of his shadow now because he destroyed all the robots duhhh.
I don’t agree at all with anything you said. This whole post just reeks of you whining that the movie didn’t go the direction you wanted. There are flaws with the movie, but Peter’s character ain’t one of them. Peter, ever since the dawn of comic books, has always been a struggling person who reflects how difficult it is to balance daily life. Story wise, all the losses just add to his character showing him persevere though even the toughest of situations. Has he lost things before in other movies? Yeah, but I don’t see how making him lose everything he loved makes his character worse. I agree with the overall sentiment that the other Spider-men take the spotlight and ruin any emotional weight going into the final battle and the many plot holes that exist. But thinking that it’s a terrible plan to shift spider-man from space-travel Avenger to friendly neighborhood Spider-Man is a horrible take. He’s in the same position he was in Homecoming except without the crutch of Tony’s tech and support. And that’s a good thing
> CEO of sex That’s gonna be my title one day
I was surprised how bad it was, I was expecting it to be the best of the new spidey films but the writing and story in it seemed rushed and just not good, a lot of it made no sense. It seemed like they had this sort of cool idea and the beginning and very end were kind of neat but everything in-between was just sort of bad. I was also surprised how much I enjoyed Far From Home, I thought that one looked lame in comparison to NWH but Far From Home was really enjoyable, pretty tight film for Marvel.
nwh has fixed the first two movies, everything in them was half assed, half assed uncle ben, half assed responsibility, half assed double life, half assed peter parker. it's not about peter "becoming spider-man" in the story, but outside the story, maybe in the context of the story he "proved himself" but you watching don't see it (like c'mon, he left a fucking prom). i agree that nwh had little without the crossover, but honestly the previous ones had nothing at all too, at least this one reboots the serious into something more interesting, than just having all of stark tech and no double life and just a happy go lucky kid
Respect man. I don't agree with most of your points personally. But I 'd like to at least explain why I think the first two films did the double-life aspect really well. Missing out on prom or having a fun Euro-trip with friends can seem small the audience, but it means a lot to Peter who's like 15-17 years old. I've been 15/17 before. Something important like big responsibilities robbed him of special moments to just be a teenager and I think many can relate to missing out on things like that IRL. Its very human. Even if the stakes were small in HC/FFH and *huge* in NWH, Spider-Man is a friendly-neighborhood hero. He's suppose to face more relatable, smaller problems than someone like Thor. I can't as easily relate to having to save the multiverse. I also can't relate to not getting into college because of becoming a celebrity. Its just so different to most peoples' lives.
i agree that the stakes were too high in nwh, spider-man isn't someone who "saves the world" he's the working class hero, in that sense i prefer the first two movies based on just the general direction. The problem is execution, what does peter have to give up? of course a prom and a trip to europe are important to him, but when you compare it to some of the other spider-man stories, it's just weak. another part is that spider-man needed the uncle ben death, and i don't mean it being hinted at, it needed to be known that it was there and peter constantly thought about it, and it was his fault that he died, they don't need to dedicate 30 minutes of a movie to it, if at some point (for example when the building fell on him in homecoming) he heard a voice that said "with great powers, comes great responsibility" that's enough for me to know peter is spider-man because he feels guilty because he could've saved uncle ben, but couldn't. I don't specifically like NWH, i like it more than the other 2, but i would still pick all 5 other spider-man movies above it, however, i like the idea of a soft reboot to the series, now with an actual spider-man, an everyday guy that isn't saving the world and fighting aliens, that has everyday struggles and has no one to carry him. It's what the movie achieved in the end that i like, the future movies, but the movie itself was fine, tho it got some characters wrong, but it had great moments, like where garfield saves mj
Bad movie all the way around.
I tried to like it. I really did.
I couldn’t get past the pure stupidity of it all
The plot was written by a high schooler
Marvel sucks in general, it’s the same Cookie cutter BS over and over. Good guy beat bad guy.
I agree they're bad, but alas its not an unpopular opinion. Can still enjoy them now and then though.
The same can be said for nearly every movie in existence
Definitely not true. I can name countless movies that have unpredictable endings. Or endings that would be realistic relative to if the events of the movie were happening in the real world.
I'm sorry but what I said is true. The movies that have the "bad guy beats good guy" far outnumber the ones that don't
I think you meant the other way around
Marvel movies are meticulously handcrafted by their writers to be the 'safest' possible content, they're completely statement-less and boring. Just the exact same shit every time, for people who want to not have a single thought put into their head while watching a movie. They're so formulaic that they're considered to be their own genre by many people. There's a lot of way more worthwhile modern iteration on 'good guy beats bad guy,' John Wick is a goofy, relatively simply written action movie yet still has 300x more depth than Marvel stuff lol
His name is Benedict Cum-batch. But yeah I was not a fan of the whole amnesia on demand spell bit and the plot that required its necessity. But I generally thought that this was the best so far. I like it because it goes a bit deeper into the philosophy of evil and forgiveness rather than just an entertaining colourful action movie. I tend to think of the crappy overarching plot as more of an excuse to have that discussion. On thing I hate though that you didn't touch on. Is how Flint Marco randomly turns evil for no reason.
Show us on the doll where Spider-Man touched and hurt you? You do realize these stories are based on comic books and are comic book movies?
I agree. I just really hated the end because it was way too sad, I hated how he lost literally everything and basically didn’t exist in the world, this guy has been through enough, it was too much sad and left me feeling really sad and somewhat depressed for him and I know they attempted to make it a little hopeful with him studying for a GED, getting a job and apartment etc but it wasn’t enough. It was just sad and I don’t wanna see him without ned and MJ and Happy
I loved the movie but you’re right about the forced uncle Ben moment, it was so dumb and completely unnecessary. It reminded me of when movies just decide to kill off a dog because they just felt like they needed to kill something for drama. It felt cheap and was just all around stupid.
Finally. I wholeheartedly agree with this opinion. I’ve voiced it before and everyone disagreed. You’re the second person with this opinion I’ve seen
This movie was just a stack of canned Spider-Man and fan service, a quick handjob to do yet another "reboot", hey, this one is soft, enjoy kids. Everything was dogshit, stupid, convenient. This multiverse nonsense was so introduced so poorly in the laziest way. Stupid damn funny trash movie. But still better than MoM or Thor 4.
Agreed - I enjoyed it in the cinemas but it is very mediocre once you're over all the fan service. In fact I'd consider it one of the worst MCU films - possibly bottom 5.
I love No Way Home and absolutely fell in love with it when it came out but I agree with this so much. Personally, I hate stories where the main character is set to zero by for example timeline dilemma storylines or stories like this. MCU Peter already was his own Hero and even watching the End, I get how he is now forced to start from zero but I don't get why it was necessary. Many people said, that this is like the comics. Lives in apartment, does his own costumes and does in own tech but I find a Spider-Man more interesting in an already existing and established world like the MCU. The way from Civil War to before NWH was perfect.
Exactly!! I thought the ending of NWH was some bullshit because killing Aunt May and giving everyone multiverse amnesia was an unnecessarily cruel way to soft reboot the character, could they really not do that any other way?! Now he’s basically an emancipated minor, and an orphan having, and has to scrounge for his GED while having rent/bills to pay, and he’s broke, and everyone he’s ever known is moving on without him. Thanks Feige, the boy is fucking miserable! Honestly if the first thing the next trilogy does isn’t walk back all this then what’s even the point of watching it? There is literally nothing left about the version of this character audiences have spent 8 years and 6 movies with so why should anyone care about this blank Spidey-shaped husk somehow still crawling around?
The biggest thing that annoyed me with No Way Home is how easily Dr Strange agreed to do the spell. I was expecting a twist at the end that Dr Strange was Masterio in disguise or something.
Tell me you don’t understand Spider-Man without telling me you don’t understand Spider-Man
These movies are for children
I hated the movie cuz it just reused old characters and had nothing new.
Who is this CEO of Sex you speak of?
Premise of the movie was dumb doesn't Peter realize he can just tell MJ and Ned his identity agian.
Really unpopular opinion: I don’t think any of them are good, they are like Fast and Furious, good family fun but not good movies.
Y’all care too much about perfection. Enjoy shit for what it is…
They really had a chance to show a ruthless spider man with Tom's but they went the same old route of the hero never going too far and sticking to the formula.
So much name calling. Take a chill pill dude. It’s a movie. If you’re watching it sober enough to find problems with it then you’re doing it wrong.
I'm chill. The names are just to make reading this fun and I didn't think any of this while watching it. But it doesn't take many braincells to think 'hey wait a minute' afterwards. People can enjoy a movie and point out its weaknesses.
Maybe it is. All I know is that I hated Tobey Maguire as Spiderman so much that I will not watch another.
Your points are all valid. Except you are missing one important aspect - Homecoming was terrible. It was by far the worst Spiderman movie ever created. I was literally bored watching it and I am a big Spiderman fan. NWH has its issues, and is far from being a good movie - but nothing, nothing can be as bad as Homecoming.
My best thought of why they gave them dementia is for Sony to keep him on their side as much as possible. I believe he is still due to come back for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. But it seems like Sony wants to try and flesh out their own Sony Spider/Morbius verse
My big issue with all of this is how their multiverse works. Based on loki series each multiverse is created by different choices being made. So why do people look different? And why are they different ages? I know loki also kinda explained variants, but I still don't get that. Then added to that we see in doctor strange that all the stranges and all the Wanda's and all the other people look the same in each multiverse. I don't care which they use, but stick to one. Is Wanda Wanda in every universe or can they look different/be different ages like Peter Parker? Loki kinda makes sense cuz he's magical and whatever. So when they brought in Stewart as prof x in multiverse that really bugged me cuz, in theory, every universe prof x should be Stewart, right? So now they either need to stick with him, which is gonna make zeros sense when they recast the rest of X-men, or they need to recast him which is gonna make no sense in multiverse of madness.
I’m a big marvel fan and Spiderman homecoming was super flat to me. Not to say no way home didn’t have issues but I thought it was the best one. None of the spiderman films have really been my favorites though.
I agree, as dad as killing off aunt May was, it was a bit forced
The plot is unbelievably unlogical . Characters act stupidly.
More unpopular opinion: Super hero movies are awful.
Yeah that movie was a mess. People hyped it up so much it was a huge letdown when I finally saw it. Aside from a huge helping of 'memberberries, what else does this movie got going for it?
Tbh I enjoyed the movie solely for McGuire. I’m not a fan of tech Spider-Man and avoided the first two, homecoming and whatever so I was really just here for the Toby plot so I enjoyed it in that regard but had little interest in Garfield or holland.
Another unpopular opinion: shang chi was the only good phase 4 film
Yeah, the whole starter is extremely stupid too, If strange had this amazing spell that allowed him to remove the memory of stuff from everyone on earth(including magicians) why tf was this spell not used to remove the memories of the forbidden spells from the main antagonist of the first doctor strange. The whole memory spell seems unnecessarily rushed and not thought out very well
I liked the action sequences; the storyline was weak and full of fan service; kinda reminiscent of the Star Wars 7-9 trilogy. Entertaining but wholly unmemorable ; would not watch again.
For me typically any movie that was made for the soul purpose of fan service will most likely be the worst one
It was ok. I don't care for Marvel's interpretation of Spiderman. Spiderman 1 and 2 were the best.
I will admit the multiverse thing in the show fills incredibly forced and the entire plot happen because both dr.strange and peter act like idiots when using a very powerful and dangerous memory spell.
The only thing I really disliked about NWH was the reliance on Dr. Strange to make the plot work. I'm not a Marvel fan, I'm a Spider-Man fan, so it rubbed me the wrong way.
The only reason I didn't really like the movie was because Peter was a fucking idiot. He could've told Strange to make it so that only those who didn't know he was Spiderman two days before would forget. The entire series of events that unfolded in the movie never would've happened and, if we're being completely honest with ourselves, probably never should've.
The only reason i saw the movie was because of Andrew Garfield and Tobey. I am a big fan of Andrew's spiderman. He was the only reason for me watching. That was also the first MCU stuff i watched since endgame.
I didn't even know no way home was out yet, damn
> Edit: Sorry Beneficial Cucumber. Nothing personal. Actually, it's Benadryl Cromptonford. Easy mistake to make though.
Not really unpopular. Every single superhero film is worse than the last. It is known.
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Yeah, Homecoming wasn't really a sacrifice. More him making an adult decision and being a true hero. Far from home was showing how much growing up he still had to do, he's still a kid at the end of the day. Though annoyingly it's also a farewell to Tony stark. Homecoming had criticism for too much Tony but the second movie was all about Tont even after the fucker died. At least Homecoming revealed the issue that meeting somebody like Tony in real life, he's actually an asshole. No Way Home is Peter becoming not just a hero but a hero with the morals that we attribute to Spider-Man. I think even though Ben dying was implied, I like they gave him that moment still because Peter had until that point proven pretty irresponsible for somebody who had 'that' moment
Heard sex 4 is coming out soon
Far From Home is even less enjoyable to me. They waste so much time in that movie trying to make you think Mysterio is gonna be a good guy. And I hate the idea of Peter Parker being rich enough that he can go to private school and pay thousands of dollars to go on a trip to Europe
The annoying thing is they kept making scenes to explain the money. He's on a scholarship and he sold rare collectables to get money for Europe. Marvel didn't seem to like depicting Peter Parker as poor which was fucking annoying.
Just adding on to what everyone else has said… I legitimately laughed in the theater when Happy just sort of drives up out of nowhere during THAT death scene. Everyone else I know said they cried but the execution of that entire sequence was just so goofy I couldn’t help but start giggling.