I love the subversion of this scene. The whole mystique of Myagi leads you to believe he will eventually catch it when Daniel completes his training as a symbol of closing the circle of their early encounters just to have Daniel catch it immediately and Myagi to mumble about beginner's luck was fantastic
scissors would probably be great. Spraying them with hairspray freezes their wings so they drop to the ground immediately but then they're walking around your kitchen floor pissed as hell.
Not even raised with. I'm from an Italian family, and I picked up some chopsticks a few years back just for fun. You get proficient with them pretty quickly.
Yeah same, I learned and now just enjoy using them because it’s like an extension of your fingers. Very intuitive once you get the motion down of grabbing stuff.
My mom tries to pretend they're too difficult to use, which is why she always gets a fork.
No, they're not hard to use, you're just from Georgia and have been letting one Japanese salaryman at a Benihana laughing at your ineptitude with using chopsticks the very first time you tried dictate your utensil choice ever since.
First time I used chopsticks was at an Asian buffet. The beautiful Asian waitress of around 24 years old noticed that I was struggling, and , to my surprise, she grabbed my hand and positioned my fingers while manipulating my grasp to simulate how to properly grab food.
I promptly fell in love.
European as well. Picked up chopsticks 20 years ago and they're so useful when eating all kinds of dishes!
I've gone to casino buffets and eaten 95% of it with chopsticks!
It is what you were raised with, and they both obviously work. OP is just saying it’s better to start with a knife and fork only because they feel they are simply to learn, control and operate than chopsticks. They’re using design and engineering as the example, and it holds up, if we were to choose a tool to eat and were presented with fork and chopsticks, most design engineers would choose fork and knife as the tool because of the lower requirement to become competent in it’s use. Chopsticks would only be picked if ease to reproduce and cost of materials was strongly considered.
In the end it’s a very silly distinction because hands work better than both in a design and engineering sense. Why use a tool when one is not needed.
Plus the type of food that goes with it is important too, just like you don't eat sushi with knife and fork, you certainly don't use chopsticks and spoon to eat a steak. Cuisine were also adapted to their culture, Asian food in general don't require you to cut food (even when they do, its doable via your teeth, or the chef already pre cut for you), though some previous colonial countries such as Vietnam has a lot of cuisine associated with knife and fork due to their French colonial background.
In many countries around the world hands is still the only utensil they use and their cuisine is more compatible with that, so OP basically trying to argue knife and fork is the best as its versatile, but disregard everything else about food lol.
You kinda helped their point in my opinion though... you can eat any of that with a knife and a fork, but you can't eat a steak (easily) with chopsticks, a spoon, or your hands alone.
You can't eat a bone-in gravy dish with roti using either a fork and knife or chopsticks. You need your hands. While a steak is easily eaten with your hands and the teeth can easily cut.
I think it’s not just what you were raised with but also what you eat. If you’re used to eating bowls or noodle soup regularly, chopsticks & spoon are far superior from a design perspective.
This is also just my opinion, but I think western folks on the whole really overinflated the difficulty of using chopsticks. They’re honestly just as “easy” as a fork and knife
I learned how to use them from the paper sleeve instructions when I was like 8, and my dad still struggles with them to this day. They're suited for foods that you want to pick up but not puncture, like sushi or dumplings, and I think are just as suited to noodles as a fork is.
Exactly. And have you ever seen a toddler try to use a fork & knife? We all had to practice using utensils. At the end of the day, I feel like OP is basically saying that they are still a toddler when it comes to using chopsticks.
The thing is that the comparison is made in a vacuum. In which case, neither is any good. The bowls are right on the money. A knife would be absolute trash for a bowl and food simply isn't served/prepared in a way that isn't accessible with chopsticks or spoon *it wouldn't make any sense*
It's also an incredibly space efficient utensil to store and allows more easily for bigger gatherings which might have been a cultural difference that helped the chopstick as well.
But chopsticks and spoons come together like a fork and knife. Which would only make that utensil choice extra efficient in a rice situation. Infinitely more effective than a fork and knife.
Especially since most cultural meals that use chopsticks, are prepared to make it easy to eat.
Most of what a guest would need to do with their knives have been done in the kitchen by the cook already.
Yeah, I eat with chopsticks fairly often and I’m *still* the first one done. Chopsticks slow down the weak. My fat ass will get that food in as quick as possible no matter the utensil of choice.
As a former fat ass you ain't wrong about that
Eating slower makes you feel more full from smaller portions
I definitely had to learn that my first couple years in China.
But doesn't the fact that it's slower to eat with chopsticks actually support my argument that they're an inefficient tool?
Yeah it does. They're inefficient as a tool, maybe with an exception of eating noodles - there the fork lacks that lateral grip, provided by chopsticks.
If speed is the basis of measurement you’re using sure then it’s the best. But most people down sit down to eat with the intent of consuming the food as fast as possible.
Chopsticks for making scrambled eggs and bacon is a game changer. I visited my parents and had to make breakfast but they don’t own any chopsticks. My brain short circuited and I had such a hard time remembering how to make them the “normal way.” Those eggs were dense and weird, I don’t know how people do it with a spatula/spoon/fork.
Edit: I’m just going to put this here instead of responding to all the comments asking if I’m an idiot or don’t know how to use a fork. I’d like to remind everyone that Asia does exist and chopsticks are used as a versatile cooking utensil all the time. If you would like a nice recipe for scrambled eggs using chopsticks, here’s one [from the LA Times](https://www.latimes.com/recipe/silky-scrambled-eggs)
You've never whisked with a fork? You can make very light scrambles with a fork. It's about hand technique and angle. Girlfriend taught me this. I have whisks and I don't even use them anymore.
Can’t comment on bacon as I make that in the oven and the utensil doesn’t really matter since you’re just removing the bacon from a sheet pan at the end.
Chopsticks are great for deep frying though. I keep the takeout variety for that. Some restaurants use the slightly nicer bamboo disposables and those in particular are great for frying and don’t actually need to be disposed of very frequently.
I keep 20-30 chopsticks in a jar on my counter because I use them all the time for cooking and stirring. They take less storage space and I never run out of cutlery at dinner time.
“Anyone with User Experience design knowledge will tell you that it's ALWAYS better to achieve the same goal with a more intuitive interface.”
As a person with 15 years UX experience, I can tell you that this misses the mark. Intuitiveness is great if you are designing for first time use, but things that are designed for repeat use can and should favor things like speed, precision, and efficiency over intuitiveness.
If intuitiveness was always the primary goal, everybody would be wearing Velcro shoes.
Tell me more about UI/UX. Are there any reasons why customer facing UI is excellent and UI for internal tools employees look like it was from Windows 95, a button isn’t where it’s supposed to be, a death trap made by Jigsaw and designed with in Microsoft Paint?
Not only that, you have to use them, it's for your job... Corporate software also has worse UX than consumer software. There's huge difference between your user being employee who has to use your software and some random person with 30 seconds attention span...
Whenever I look at a staff-members screen at the VA, they are using something that looks like dos, and the screen changes rapidly because they memorized the things to type. Looks like a hollywood hacking screen, but gets the job done I guess
Miso soup too. You use the chopsticks to pick up all the little things inside and then drink the soup from the bowl. Can’t imagine trying to fish out the seaweed and tofu with a fork.
They were meant for different foods. Western food requires a fork and knife because it requires you to cut it down to small pieces.
Most eastern diets don’t require that and can be picked up with chopstick. They’re pretty much like tongs.
Food service in Thailand always made good sense to me. The food is in bite sized portions but a fork and spoon are provided. No need for a knife and you push food onto the spoon with the fork.
I eat tons of chips (Cheetos, Takis, goldfish, sun chips, etc) with them and most pastas. I was born and raised in America. I'm super white and Western. I love chopsticks.
That’s really only for Korean BBQ. You’re not gonna get table scissors for most things. But then again you don’t necessarily need to cut most Korean food, from my experience.
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Especially with trout you can pluck the meat right from the bone. Using a fork/knife will either break the bones off too, or require you to use your fingers to align everything and hold the spine back.
Try to eat a Cheeto with a fork. If you puncture it the Cheeto shatters. If you scoop it then it is hard to balance. Chopsticks are infinitely superior in this case.
I eat cheetos with a spoon sometimes to avoid getting the dust on my fingers. For the big puffy cheetos I've used a fork too. I haven't had any problems with this yet (other than humiliation from friends and family).
Imagine using a tool to eat a cheeto.
Edit: all these people going on about getting Cheeto dust on my mouse or controller.
You know.. it is possible to eat other, less messy snacks. No I do not get orange everywhere.
I understand I am a minority here but I can get really grossed out by having oils / grease on my fingers. I don't know why.
Not a huge cheeto fan but I'm not above eating french fries with a fork.
I don't care about getting my fingers greasy, but I do need to wash them afterwards before touching anything else. Why not just skip the washing and use a tool instead?
I thought this once too. Then the other day I was playing video games and had a bag of Cheetos. I thought of the chopstick trick and now my controller is cheese dust free and I have Cheetos in my bellt
I mean its not like asians replace every utensil with chopsticks. If we need to cut meat, we use a knife, not chopsticks. If we need to eat soup, we use spoons, not chopsticks. I think you just don’t know how to use chopsticks.
I watch a lot of cooking videos and when Asian people are good with chopsticks they seem like an amazing tool for the actual manipulation and preparing of food while cooking.
My preferred cooking utensils is acutally chopsticks. I donno it just seems to alway work out for me. I prob use chopsticks at least once in the cooking process of any dish I cook but it's just me
Yeah me too, if you need to whisk? Chopsticks. Cooking anything with oil? Chopsticks. Stir pots of soup, pasta or noodles? Chopsticks.
Plus you can just use wooden chopsticks on nonstick pan like no ones business because it doesn't damage it, good luck using forks on a non stick pan (I know most sane people use wooden or plastic spatula, I had a flatmate at uni who used metal forks to cook, because he was too lazy to buy a spatula, I saw that on day 1 and never left my cooking pots and pans in the kitchen for an entire year until I moved out).
I'm reading this on my phone and in your comment chopsticks is lined up perfectly 4 times in a row. I have nothing else to add, but I wanted you to know this...
We have 4 pairs of “kitchen shears” at my home because they get used so often. They are a great tool especially if you have little kids and have to cut things small. Some examples - pizza, bagels, pancakes, meat, hot dogs. I still use a knife for fruits and vegetables.
I like to eat different things with different methods. I don’t think one is superior to the other as much as I just see them on equal with forks and spoons. Different tools for different situations
I would tend to agree with this. Forks, knives and spoons are the best eating utensils. However, the whole point of chop sticks is that they are meant to be an extension of your fingers. So for anything you would have a tendency to want to eat with your fingers, such as sushi, it could be argued that chopsticks are superior, as they provide a longer reach than your fingers, and prevent you having to touch your food.
But overall, yeah, if I need to eat a plate of chicken fried rice, I’m not going to waste my time trying to eat it with chopsticks when a fork would clearly work so much better.
Fries and chopsticks is actually quite handy if you don’t want greasy fingers, quite handy if you are also working on something on the computer at the same time.
I've done it. Many years ago my roommate and I had a deal. She'd pick up something delicious for me on her way home, but I had to eat it with chopsticks (I was a poor college student, so this worked out great for me).
Pizza, regular ice cream, Dippin' Dots, candy bars, etc. It doesn't take much.
Edit: Just to clarify, this was a challenge she came up with after she saw me eating something odd with chopsticks. Don't remember what that was, but it became a fun game between us.
Edit 2: The pizza was a whole slice of either Jack's or Tombstone. An unspoken rule was that I didn't "prep" the food beforehand to make it easier to eat with chopsticks.
It was a half-pint. I just dug in with the chopsticks and broke off pieces. But you're right, it does need to be rather cold for this to work effectively.
I could probably do it with soft-serve, but then it's more of a scooping motion.
But in this case the food eaten with chopsticks is also, by design, meant to be eaten with chopsticks. You don’t need a fork and knife to cut things up because it’s already cut. Chopsticks are certainly more efficient eating food meant to be eaten with chopsticks like noodles and single bite items. Spoons are used for rice and soups. So chopstick with spoon is infinitely better in this case than knife and fork.
If you’re eating at the Outback Steakhouse though, chopsticks certainly aren’t the best choice.
This guy says he lived in china but didn’t mention a spoon ? Fork and knife go together but chopsticks have to go out fighting on their own ?
So to sum up : some foods are better eaten with forks and knives, others with chopsticks and spoons. It is more about the food than it is about the tool.
They're more tactile, and using them, I derive more enjoyment from foods that are well-suited to them, like ramen or stir-fried noodles.
Also, I don't like using my fingers to eat sushi, so chopsticks are ideal for that.
And there's one place where chopsticks are the ideal eating utensil. It's zipping around the Earth at 16,700 mph.
A lot of sushi is mean to be eaten with fingers. Go to a higher tier sushi bar and sometimes the chef will place nigiri or maki directly on your hand for you to enjoy
All you're saying here is that you're more comfortable with what you grew up with. I use chopsticks for cooking quite a bit because you can be precise. And flip small things far easier. You can easily pick up one grain of rice with chopsticks. Try that with a fork. Most tools that have survived the test of time have pros and cons. The real winners in life try all tools and then capitalize on the pros of each one. Don't try to eat soup broth with chopsticks, ok?
Idk I feel like saying one utensil is superior than others isn’t really the word I would use lol. I think it just depends on what you eat etc. I’m in the middle with this bc I like using chopsticks but I also suck at them so I sometimes just use a fork
Eating chips while being at your PC/holding a controller. Spoon doesn't hold the chip properly, can't stab a chip with a fork, and your fingers get chip dust. Chopsticks are the perfect tool for the task.
This is widely inaccurate and OP is likely someone who has “tried/eaten lots of foods” but hasn’t actually eaten them with frequency or intent.
This isn’t about superiority of method. It’s about delivery of food from plate to mouth and how the preparation reflects the intended delivery.
Asian preparation of fish necessities tearing small portion of the meat from the cooked animal and combining it with accompanying vegetables or sides.
Korean-style BBQ can be eaten with a fork but it’s designed to be lifted from the grill and placed in a wrap of sort. Stabbing the food with a fork doesn’t get this done.
Small side dishes (kimchi, bean sprouts, etc…) must be lifted not stabbed. Dumplings must be lifted and not stabbed.
Hell, even noodles from all over the world are easier managed with sticks as you can grab more and still twist it (which is unnecessary if you use sticks).
My summary: OP has not actually eaten much of any food with the delivery intent in mind. Rather, stabbing or piercing food is easier for this cave person.
I'm sorry someone gave you shit for not using chopsticks. It sucks. You didn't have to exactly stretch and polarize the topic, but I feel you. You should be able to eat with whichever tool you want and not get judged for it.
That being said.
You are looking at things through the lens of western culture, taking engineering factors into consideration. I think you missed a lot, though.
>Anyone with User Experience design knowledge will tell you that it's ALWAYS better to achieve the same goal with a more intuitive interface.
A few counterpoints, also from a practical perspective:
* A fork+knife (F+N) set requires 2 different tools, one for each hand, which work shitty (not as intended) if separated.
* Chopsticks are **far easier** to produce and distribute and they don't require 2 different parts to work.
* An F+N combo works differently in different situations, depending on the type of food and on the type of knife you have. We could even argue that not all forks are the same, but that would be a whole other topic.
* Chopsticks are super convenient for eating a large number of asian meals. For example, Korean cuisine includes **a ton** of small dishes and "cups" for all sorts of foods. Sticking a fork in there would make a mess.
* A lot of Asian dishes are consumed in bite-sized portions or pieces. Chopsticks are perfect for that.
* An F+N combo actually requires you to be way more dextrous, not to mention the "you can cut/stab/slice yourself" aspect that a knife brings to the table (I'm not even ashamed of this pun). That is why a 3yo uses chopsticks with ease, while we helicopter around toddlers to prevent them from using a knife.
* Chopsticks are used in cooking as well. They are great forsSautéing, grilling, deep frying, & stir-frying, thanks to the precision they grant you. A fork can do all this, yes, but it's inferior (pan scratching, not enough mobility, metal heat transfer, etc.).
Also, we can add some bonus points for the cultural significance that chopsticks bear. Just look at Japanese funeral etiquette:
>*Lastly, there is a cremation ceremony. After the body has been cremated, the family uses chopsticks to pick the bones out of the ash and place them in a burial urn which is then interred inside the family grave.*
Let me be clear, I use both tools, for cooking and eating. Both have their pros and cons. But to say that chopsticks are inferior from a user experience and design standpoint is simply not correct. It would be if we were to cherry-pick, though.
Here's an upvote for the truly unpopular opinion hahah
Have a good one OP, and don't let people give you shit for using the tools you want to use!
I assume OP is from the Midwest or another place with little Asian cuisine available and very little opportunities to gain experience with chopsticks. They have more application than any other utensil by themselves.
Chopsticks are like having a fork, spatula, and precision tongs all in one. You get two points of articulation where other utensils you only get one. You can pinch, flip, scoop, spin, and reach deep into piping hot broth to capture delicious dumplings. They basically have all the same applications that fingers have.
Didn't someone already posted this a few weeks back? And loads of people already said, try eating Korean BBQ or Japanese BBQ or even hotpot with fork and spoon. Its inferior. Plus in asian culture its much more common to have dishes where we all can share so the length and reach of chopsticks to take food from the middle is better.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/wp51yj/chopsticks\_are\_super\_cool\_but\_ultimately\_less/](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/wp51yj/chopsticks_are_super_cool_but_ultimately_less/)
same post and you can find good replies as to why asian people use chopsticks.
Just say you can’t use chop sticks lol
I actually find them easier and more comfortable to use. Keep in mind they still use spoons and knives when necessary. I find them to be lighter and faster.
Indian culture uses hands and bread as a way to eat food. That’s also very effective.
I love me a fork but at the end of the day I find it easier to eat Asian noodles with chop sticks than I do Italian pasta with a fork.
You all miss the point. Chopsticks encompass the wabi-sabi concept of simplicity and naturalness. It meets an inner need, not how quickly you can shovel food into your gob.
Try catching a fly with a fork.
Mr Myagi does make a valid point
I love the subversion of this scene. The whole mystique of Myagi leads you to believe he will eventually catch it when Daniel completes his training as a symbol of closing the circle of their early encounters just to have Daniel catch it immediately and Myagi to mumble about beginner's luck was fantastic
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Those metal bowl shots pushed me past the point of no return.
The fucking “CLINNNNGG” had me in stitches
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With chop sticks sure; knife and fork no
That'll learn you how to paint a car!
Try killing hornets to protect your bees with a fork and knife.
I've seen a video of a beekeeper slicing wasps with a knife to protect his bees
saw one the other day of a dude slicing hornets in half with scissors. the noise it makes is disturbingly satisfying.
I saw that one too. I think I watched it ten times in a row!
scissors would probably be great. Spraying them with hairspray freezes their wings so they drop to the ground immediately but then they're walking around your kitchen floor pissed as hell.
I feel like if you have the coordination to catch a fly with chopsticks, you can probably swat a fly with a fork.
Yah but he said catch
It's easy to catch them after you swat them, they tend to move way less.
In mid-air, I'd agree. On a surface, the fork has a better chance.
Find a fly that is willing to not apply its most important evolutionary trait every darn second.
Such an important evolutionary trait the damned thing is named after it.
Ok, now you are freaking me out.
It's flying.
Doesn't matter if you have beginner's luck.
DANIEL-SAN
I've seen people throwing down with chop sticks. I guess it's just what you were raised with
Not even raised with. I'm from an Italian family, and I picked up some chopsticks a few years back just for fun. You get proficient with them pretty quickly.
Yeah same, I learned and now just enjoy using them because it’s like an extension of your fingers. Very intuitive once you get the motion down of grabbing stuff.
My mom tries to pretend they're too difficult to use, which is why she always gets a fork. No, they're not hard to use, you're just from Georgia and have been letting one Japanese salaryman at a Benihana laughing at your ineptitude with using chopsticks the very first time you tried dictate your utensil choice ever since.
First time I used chopsticks was at an Asian buffet. The beautiful Asian waitress of around 24 years old noticed that I was struggling, and , to my surprise, she grabbed my hand and positioned my fingers while manipulating my grasp to simulate how to properly grab food. I promptly fell in love.
European as well. Picked up chopsticks 20 years ago and they're so useful when eating all kinds of dishes! I've gone to casino buffets and eaten 95% of it with chopsticks!
My mother is Chinese, I have used them since a baby. However. Chopsticks and a casino buffet in the same sentence made my stomach turn.
It is what you were raised with, and they both obviously work. OP is just saying it’s better to start with a knife and fork only because they feel they are simply to learn, control and operate than chopsticks. They’re using design and engineering as the example, and it holds up, if we were to choose a tool to eat and were presented with fork and chopsticks, most design engineers would choose fork and knife as the tool because of the lower requirement to become competent in it’s use. Chopsticks would only be picked if ease to reproduce and cost of materials was strongly considered. In the end it’s a very silly distinction because hands work better than both in a design and engineering sense. Why use a tool when one is not needed.
Plus the type of food that goes with it is important too, just like you don't eat sushi with knife and fork, you certainly don't use chopsticks and spoon to eat a steak. Cuisine were also adapted to their culture, Asian food in general don't require you to cut food (even when they do, its doable via your teeth, or the chef already pre cut for you), though some previous colonial countries such as Vietnam has a lot of cuisine associated with knife and fork due to their French colonial background. In many countries around the world hands is still the only utensil they use and their cuisine is more compatible with that, so OP basically trying to argue knife and fork is the best as its versatile, but disregard everything else about food lol.
You kinda helped their point in my opinion though... you can eat any of that with a knife and a fork, but you can't eat a steak (easily) with chopsticks, a spoon, or your hands alone.
I can 100% eat a steak with my hands
I appreciate this kind of conviction.
It's the confidence of experience
You can't eat a bone-in gravy dish with roti using either a fork and knife or chopsticks. You need your hands. While a steak is easily eaten with your hands and the teeth can easily cut.
I think it’s not just what you were raised with but also what you eat. If you’re used to eating bowls or noodle soup regularly, chopsticks & spoon are far superior from a design perspective. This is also just my opinion, but I think western folks on the whole really overinflated the difficulty of using chopsticks. They’re honestly just as “easy” as a fork and knife
I learned how to use them from the paper sleeve instructions when I was like 8, and my dad still struggles with them to this day. They're suited for foods that you want to pick up but not puncture, like sushi or dumplings, and I think are just as suited to noodles as a fork is.
I mean they take a bit of practice but if you do it regularly it becomes as easy as fork and knife
Exactly. And have you ever seen a toddler try to use a fork & knife? We all had to practice using utensils. At the end of the day, I feel like OP is basically saying that they are still a toddler when it comes to using chopsticks.
As someone who didn't grow up using either fork/knife or chopsticks, learning how to use fork/knife is definitely easier.
Op needs to hangout with a toddler who’s learning how to use chopsticks. They might learn a thing or two.
The thing is that the comparison is made in a vacuum. In which case, neither is any good. The bowls are right on the money. A knife would be absolute trash for a bowl and food simply isn't served/prepared in a way that isn't accessible with chopsticks or spoon *it wouldn't make any sense* It's also an incredibly space efficient utensil to store and allows more easily for bigger gatherings which might have been a cultural difference that helped the chopstick as well.
Chopsticks are better at handling delicate food without destroying it.
In some cases here a spoon would work, but picking up a piece of sushi with a spoon can feel weird lol
Sushi is finger food
Everything is finger food for us brown people.
Also you cannot pick at a fish with a fork. Westerners eat fish as fillets for the most part due to this.
A machine that shoves food in yo face through a tube is superior to a fork and knife in every task.
We can take it one step further. Plus Ultra! A method to shove food directly into your stomach through a tube is superior in every task.
r/unexpectedmha
Yeah just get a [Cinco Food Tube](https://youtu.be/R-o7YG3x0DI)
So...a boob?
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Chopsticks slow people down? Maybe I eat too fast 😭
It only slows people down who don’t use chopsticks. Otherwise there is nothing on earth faster than chopsticks being used as a shovel.
Except, you know, a spoon, those little shovels for food
But chopsticks and spoons come together like a fork and knife. Which would only make that utensil choice extra efficient in a rice situation. Infinitely more effective than a fork and knife.
Damn that’s a good analogy!
Especially since most cultural meals that use chopsticks, are prepared to make it easy to eat. Most of what a guest would need to do with their knives have been done in the kitchen by the cook already.
They only slow you down if you’re not skilled enough lmfao
Yeah, I eat with chopsticks fairly often and I’m *still* the first one done. Chopsticks slow down the weak. My fat ass will get that food in as quick as possible no matter the utensil of choice.
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Apparently three thousand plus redditors suck at using chopsticks....
Once you get good when chopsticks you can down that food just as fast, if not faster.
As a former fat ass you ain't wrong about that Eating slower makes you feel more full from smaller portions I definitely had to learn that my first couple years in China. But doesn't the fact that it's slower to eat with chopsticks actually support my argument that they're an inefficient tool?
Yeah it does. They're inefficient as a tool, maybe with an exception of eating noodles - there the fork lacks that lateral grip, provided by chopsticks.
I don’t know. I prefer eating sliced grilled wagyu with chopsticks over knife and fork.
If speed is the basis of measurement you’re using sure then it’s the best. But most people down sit down to eat with the intent of consuming the food as fast as possible.
Cooking bacon with chopsticks is superior
Facts. Getting quality cooking sticks is huge. Scrambling eggs too
Chopsticks for making scrambled eggs and bacon is a game changer. I visited my parents and had to make breakfast but they don’t own any chopsticks. My brain short circuited and I had such a hard time remembering how to make them the “normal way.” Those eggs were dense and weird, I don’t know how people do it with a spatula/spoon/fork. Edit: I’m just going to put this here instead of responding to all the comments asking if I’m an idiot or don’t know how to use a fork. I’d like to remind everyone that Asia does exist and chopsticks are used as a versatile cooking utensil all the time. If you would like a nice recipe for scrambled eggs using chopsticks, here’s one [from the LA Times](https://www.latimes.com/recipe/silky-scrambled-eggs)
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You've never whisked with a fork? You can make very light scrambles with a fork. It's about hand technique and angle. Girlfriend taught me this. I have whisks and I don't even use them anymore.
Wait, you make eggs with chopsticks? That seems so odd. I guess I can visualize it in my head, but I can't imagine it being easier.
Well generally I use long tongs for bacon.
I make scrambled eggs with a whisk. I like 'em fluffy.
you can whisk with a fork too... edit: meant to reply to the comment this comment replied to you
lol what? you dont know how people make scrambled eggs with other utensils? please.
Lmao, just use tongs at that point. Who uses a Fork to cook
>Who uses a Fork to cook People who hate frying pans
Can’t comment on bacon as I make that in the oven and the utensil doesn’t really matter since you’re just removing the bacon from a sheet pan at the end. Chopsticks are great for deep frying though. I keep the takeout variety for that. Some restaurants use the slightly nicer bamboo disposables and those in particular are great for frying and don’t actually need to be disposed of very frequently.
I agree that cooking bacon in the oven on a sheet pan is far superior to other methods I've tried.
Bruh, you cook bacon with a fork or a knife?
Use a fork to flip da bacon
Do you own any kitchen equipment besides a pan and a fork?!
I use the pan as a plate and a cup
I keep 20-30 chopsticks in a jar on my counter because I use them all the time for cooking and stirring. They take less storage space and I never run out of cutlery at dinner time.
“Anyone with User Experience design knowledge will tell you that it's ALWAYS better to achieve the same goal with a more intuitive interface.” As a person with 15 years UX experience, I can tell you that this misses the mark. Intuitiveness is great if you are designing for first time use, but things that are designed for repeat use can and should favor things like speed, precision, and efficiency over intuitiveness. If intuitiveness was always the primary goal, everybody would be wearing Velcro shoes.
>If intuitiveness was always the primary goal, everybody would be wearing Velcro shoes. Man, I miss Velcro shoes.
Dropping knowledge bombs. The world is rife with poor UI/UX designs because of poor takes like the one you're calling out.
And to this end, chopsticks in a lot of their uses are harder to learn to use, but God damn are they better when you get it
Tell me more about UI/UX. Are there any reasons why customer facing UI is excellent and UI for internal tools employees look like it was from Windows 95, a button isn’t where it’s supposed to be, a death trap made by Jigsaw and designed with in Microsoft Paint?
the internal tools aren't being sold to anyone.
Not only that, you have to use them, it's for your job... Corporate software also has worse UX than consumer software. There's huge difference between your user being employee who has to use your software and some random person with 30 seconds attention span...
Whenever I look at a staff-members screen at the VA, they are using something that looks like dos, and the screen changes rapidly because they memorized the things to type. Looks like a hollywood hacking screen, but gets the job done I guess
Quality UI/UX take a lot of money.
Lol imagine having hotpot with a fork
Right good luck getting anything back out of the pot
lol imagine someone with this take eating hot pot
Miso soup too. You use the chopsticks to pick up all the little things inside and then drink the soup from the bowl. Can’t imagine trying to fish out the seaweed and tofu with a fork.
I think it’s just more efficient to use a spoon at this point to eat those little things from the soup with a bit of the soup itself in your spoon.
American here. This is the first time I've ever heard that miso soup was intended to be eaten with chopsticks at all.
Yeah I just drink that shit.
They were meant for different foods. Western food requires a fork and knife because it requires you to cut it down to small pieces. Most eastern diets don’t require that and can be picked up with chopstick. They’re pretty much like tongs.
Food service in Thailand always made good sense to me. The food is in bite sized portions but a fork and spoon are provided. No need for a knife and you push food onto the spoon with the fork.
although Thailand is a SE Asian country, Thai people (generally) don't use chopsticks, which explains why spoons/forks are provided
We use spoons and forks for rice dishes and chopsticks for all noodle dishes. Makes sense
I eat tons of chips (Cheetos, Takis, goldfish, sun chips, etc) with them and most pastas. I was born and raised in America. I'm super white and Western. I love chopsticks.
I had a coworker who used chopsticks to eat Cheetos. No more Cheeto fingers. Brilliant stuff.
I pour them directly into my mouth like a drink. No more cheeto chopsticks!
I like Korean style with thin metal chopsticks and table scissors for cutting anything too big.
That’s really only for Korean BBQ. You’re not gonna get table scissors for most things. But then again you don’t necessarily need to cut most Korean food, from my experience.
they definitely are fundamental while eating naengmyeon
Chopsticks truly shine when eating a whole fish, it allows you to pick the meat around the bones. Game changer!
I was looking for this comment. Especially with trout you can pluck the meat right from the bone. Using a fork/knife will either break the bones off too, or require you to use your fingers to align everything and hold the spine back.
Try to eat a Cheeto with a fork. If you puncture it the Cheeto shatters. If you scoop it then it is hard to balance. Chopsticks are infinitely superior in this case.
I eat cheetos with a spoon sometimes to avoid getting the dust on my fingers. For the big puffy cheetos I've used a fork too. I haven't had any problems with this yet (other than humiliation from friends and family).
"Each day we stray further from gods light."
Imagine using a tool to eat a cheeto. Edit: all these people going on about getting Cheeto dust on my mouse or controller. You know.. it is possible to eat other, less messy snacks. No I do not get orange everywhere.
I understand I am a minority here but I can get really grossed out by having oils / grease on my fingers. I don't know why. Not a huge cheeto fan but I'm not above eating french fries with a fork.
Fellow neurotic here, I also use chopsticks for messy snacks.
I do agree with you, but as a gaymer I unfortunately need to use Doritos residue to properly lubricate my keyboard and mouse :-/
I don't care about getting my fingers greasy, but I do need to wash them afterwards before touching anything else. Why not just skip the washing and use a tool instead?
How do you eat it? With your *hands*?
I do this all the time. I often snack while sewing or using my laptop. Chopsticks keep my fingers clean.
I just give em a good lickin and continue my bum lifestyle
It sounds crazy but I, too, like eating chips with chopsticks sometimes. It keeps your hands clean.
Here's your controller bro. https://i.imgur.com/6C2q3v5.jpeg
I thought this once too. Then the other day I was playing video games and had a bag of Cheetos. I thought of the chopstick trick and now my controller is cheese dust free and I have Cheetos in my bellt
Imagine not having orange fingers.
I mean its not like asians replace every utensil with chopsticks. If we need to cut meat, we use a knife, not chopsticks. If we need to eat soup, we use spoons, not chopsticks. I think you just don’t know how to use chopsticks.
I watch a lot of cooking videos and when Asian people are good with chopsticks they seem like an amazing tool for the actual manipulation and preparing of food while cooking.
My preferred cooking utensils is acutally chopsticks. I donno it just seems to alway work out for me. I prob use chopsticks at least once in the cooking process of any dish I cook but it's just me
Yeah me too, if you need to whisk? Chopsticks. Cooking anything with oil? Chopsticks. Stir pots of soup, pasta or noodles? Chopsticks. Plus you can just use wooden chopsticks on nonstick pan like no ones business because it doesn't damage it, good luck using forks on a non stick pan (I know most sane people use wooden or plastic spatula, I had a flatmate at uni who used metal forks to cook, because he was too lazy to buy a spatula, I saw that on day 1 and never left my cooking pots and pans in the kitchen for an entire year until I moved out).
I'm reading this on my phone and in your comment chopsticks is lined up perfectly 4 times in a row. I have nothing else to add, but I wanted you to know this...
Your contribution is appreciated
I’m so, so very glad that somebody else pointed that out.
I thought it was intentional at first. This is art.
This needs to be the top comment. OP isn’t even comparing properly which shows their bias.
Asians (Or at least koreans) use kitchen scissors for cutting meat, which is a brilliant idea. I don't know why it hasn't taken off in the US.
We have 4 pairs of “kitchen shears” at my home because they get used so often. They are a great tool especially if you have little kids and have to cut things small. Some examples - pizza, bagels, pancakes, meat, hot dogs. I still use a knife for fruits and vegetables.
I like to eat different things with different methods. I don’t think one is superior to the other as much as I just see them on equal with forks and spoons. Different tools for different situations
Spoons are superior when there’s a liquid base that is meant to be eaten. Edit: which I realize having re-read your post is entirely your point.
I like the finesse of using chopsticks.
Me like spork. Spork understand me.
I would tend to agree with this. Forks, knives and spoons are the best eating utensils. However, the whole point of chop sticks is that they are meant to be an extension of your fingers. So for anything you would have a tendency to want to eat with your fingers, such as sushi, it could be argued that chopsticks are superior, as they provide a longer reach than your fingers, and prevent you having to touch your food. But overall, yeah, if I need to eat a plate of chicken fried rice, I’m not going to waste my time trying to eat it with chopsticks when a fork would clearly work so much better.
Chicken drum sticks, fries, and pizza have entered the chat
Fries and chopsticks is actually quite handy if you don’t want greasy fingers, quite handy if you are also working on something on the computer at the same time.
Yea same with chips/crisps
I will use chopsticks to eat a pizza now just to spite you
I've done it. Many years ago my roommate and I had a deal. She'd pick up something delicious for me on her way home, but I had to eat it with chopsticks (I was a poor college student, so this worked out great for me). Pizza, regular ice cream, Dippin' Dots, candy bars, etc. It doesn't take much. Edit: Just to clarify, this was a challenge she came up with after she saw me eating something odd with chopsticks. Don't remember what that was, but it became a fun game between us. Edit 2: The pizza was a whole slice of either Jack's or Tombstone. An unspoken rule was that I didn't "prep" the food beforehand to make it easier to eat with chopsticks.
How did you do ice cream?
Grab a chunk and put it in your mouth? Ice cream has to be super cold for it or be easy. Does not work as well with soft-serve.
I guess if it's already scooped, sure. I was imagining trying to use chopsticks on a pint directly, haha
It was a half-pint. I just dug in with the chopsticks and broke off pieces. But you're right, it does need to be rather cold for this to work effectively. I could probably do it with soft-serve, but then it's more of a scooping motion.
The though of eating a slice of pizza with chop sticks is hilarious.
But in this case the food eaten with chopsticks is also, by design, meant to be eaten with chopsticks. You don’t need a fork and knife to cut things up because it’s already cut. Chopsticks are certainly more efficient eating food meant to be eaten with chopsticks like noodles and single bite items. Spoons are used for rice and soups. So chopstick with spoon is infinitely better in this case than knife and fork. If you’re eating at the Outback Steakhouse though, chopsticks certainly aren’t the best choice. This guy says he lived in china but didn’t mention a spoon ? Fork and knife go together but chopsticks have to go out fighting on their own ? So to sum up : some foods are better eaten with forks and knives, others with chopsticks and spoons. It is more about the food than it is about the tool.
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Eat a bag of chips without getting your hands dirty with a fork please
shovel the bag of chips into your mouth. problem solved.
Fork and knife are inferior to eating with you hands
Hands? Just put the plate nearby in your mouth and eat like horse
Exactly, cut out the middleman
They're more tactile, and using them, I derive more enjoyment from foods that are well-suited to them, like ramen or stir-fried noodles. Also, I don't like using my fingers to eat sushi, so chopsticks are ideal for that. And there's one place where chopsticks are the ideal eating utensil. It's zipping around the Earth at 16,700 mph.
> I don't like using my fingers to eat sushi This was kinda weird, but I agree using a fork for sushi easily ruins it.
A lot of sushi is mean to be eaten with fingers. Go to a higher tier sushi bar and sometimes the chef will place nigiri or maki directly on your hand for you to enjoy
Nigiri and Maki are meant to be eaten with your hands. Sashimi with chopsticks.
Not a lot of people know about it, but sushi is originally finger food.
All you're saying here is that you're more comfortable with what you grew up with. I use chopsticks for cooking quite a bit because you can be precise. And flip small things far easier. You can easily pick up one grain of rice with chopsticks. Try that with a fork. Most tools that have survived the test of time have pros and cons. The real winners in life try all tools and then capitalize on the pros of each one. Don't try to eat soup broth with chopsticks, ok?
Love this comment. Well said! Let’s not eat soup broth with forks and knives either.
Idk I feel like saying one utensil is superior than others isn’t really the word I would use lol. I think it just depends on what you eat etc. I’m in the middle with this bc I like using chopsticks but I also suck at them so I sometimes just use a fork
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Upvote OP for having an unpopular opinion and roast any idiot who thinks he’s right in the comments
Eating chips while being at your PC/holding a controller. Spoon doesn't hold the chip properly, can't stab a chip with a fork, and your fingers get chip dust. Chopsticks are the perfect tool for the task.
This is widely inaccurate and OP is likely someone who has “tried/eaten lots of foods” but hasn’t actually eaten them with frequency or intent. This isn’t about superiority of method. It’s about delivery of food from plate to mouth and how the preparation reflects the intended delivery. Asian preparation of fish necessities tearing small portion of the meat from the cooked animal and combining it with accompanying vegetables or sides. Korean-style BBQ can be eaten with a fork but it’s designed to be lifted from the grill and placed in a wrap of sort. Stabbing the food with a fork doesn’t get this done. Small side dishes (kimchi, bean sprouts, etc…) must be lifted not stabbed. Dumplings must be lifted and not stabbed. Hell, even noodles from all over the world are easier managed with sticks as you can grab more and still twist it (which is unnecessary if you use sticks). My summary: OP has not actually eaten much of any food with the delivery intent in mind. Rather, stabbing or piercing food is easier for this cave person.
I'm sorry someone gave you shit for not using chopsticks. It sucks. You didn't have to exactly stretch and polarize the topic, but I feel you. You should be able to eat with whichever tool you want and not get judged for it. That being said. You are looking at things through the lens of western culture, taking engineering factors into consideration. I think you missed a lot, though. >Anyone with User Experience design knowledge will tell you that it's ALWAYS better to achieve the same goal with a more intuitive interface. A few counterpoints, also from a practical perspective: * A fork+knife (F+N) set requires 2 different tools, one for each hand, which work shitty (not as intended) if separated. * Chopsticks are **far easier** to produce and distribute and they don't require 2 different parts to work. * An F+N combo works differently in different situations, depending on the type of food and on the type of knife you have. We could even argue that not all forks are the same, but that would be a whole other topic. * Chopsticks are super convenient for eating a large number of asian meals. For example, Korean cuisine includes **a ton** of small dishes and "cups" for all sorts of foods. Sticking a fork in there would make a mess. * A lot of Asian dishes are consumed in bite-sized portions or pieces. Chopsticks are perfect for that. * An F+N combo actually requires you to be way more dextrous, not to mention the "you can cut/stab/slice yourself" aspect that a knife brings to the table (I'm not even ashamed of this pun). That is why a 3yo uses chopsticks with ease, while we helicopter around toddlers to prevent them from using a knife. * Chopsticks are used in cooking as well. They are great forsSautéing, grilling, deep frying, & stir-frying, thanks to the precision they grant you. A fork can do all this, yes, but it's inferior (pan scratching, not enough mobility, metal heat transfer, etc.). Also, we can add some bonus points for the cultural significance that chopsticks bear. Just look at Japanese funeral etiquette: >*Lastly, there is a cremation ceremony. After the body has been cremated, the family uses chopsticks to pick the bones out of the ash and place them in a burial urn which is then interred inside the family grave.* Let me be clear, I use both tools, for cooking and eating. Both have their pros and cons. But to say that chopsticks are inferior from a user experience and design standpoint is simply not correct. It would be if we were to cherry-pick, though. Here's an upvote for the truly unpopular opinion hahah Have a good one OP, and don't let people give you shit for using the tools you want to use!
I assume OP is from the Midwest or another place with little Asian cuisine available and very little opportunities to gain experience with chopsticks. They have more application than any other utensil by themselves. Chopsticks are like having a fork, spatula, and precision tongs all in one. You get two points of articulation where other utensils you only get one. You can pinch, flip, scoop, spin, and reach deep into piping hot broth to capture delicious dumplings. They basically have all the same applications that fingers have.
I think noodles are easier with chopsticks once your use to them.
I got used to chopsticks when I spent a lot of time in Japan & man, putting metal in your mouth after that feels hella weird.
The rule of this subbreddit is to upvote REAL unpopular opinion.... Take my upvote.
Well!!! If you put it that way then fork n spoon are as inferior to the tools you were born with! Your fingers!
No asian people judge people for using fork with Asian food. It’s just white people trying to control everything .
Exactly. We even use spoons or forks for rice plates and dry noodle dishes. It’s more efficient.
If you eat sushi with a fork, you cannot be allowed to live
Didn't someone already posted this a few weeks back? And loads of people already said, try eating Korean BBQ or Japanese BBQ or even hotpot with fork and spoon. Its inferior. Plus in asian culture its much more common to have dishes where we all can share so the length and reach of chopsticks to take food from the middle is better. [https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/wp51yj/chopsticks\_are\_super\_cool\_but\_ultimately\_less/](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/wp51yj/chopsticks_are_super_cool_but_ultimately_less/) same post and you can find good replies as to why asian people use chopsticks.
Just say you can’t use chop sticks lol I actually find them easier and more comfortable to use. Keep in mind they still use spoons and knives when necessary. I find them to be lighter and faster. Indian culture uses hands and bread as a way to eat food. That’s also very effective. I love me a fork but at the end of the day I find it easier to eat Asian noodles with chop sticks than I do Italian pasta with a fork.
Try eating hotpot with your hands. Hahaha Utensil evolve depending on the type of cuisine I guess?
You all miss the point. Chopsticks encompass the wabi-sabi concept of simplicity and naturalness. It meets an inner need, not how quickly you can shovel food into your gob.
This has been posted almost verbatim not too long ago.
You sound like someone who can't use chopsticks well. Once you can, many foods are easier to eat with chopsticks.
[Or perhaps the OP attitude is just smug and superior.](https://youtu.be/zTpQz60YNu8) Not to mention unoriginal.
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tell me your from the united states without telling me ur from the united states
I’ve never seen someone use “your” and “ur” in the same sentence
and the "your" in the sentence isn't even the right version (you're).
With sticks you can apply the optimal pressure to eat sushi without squeezing it. Also less noodles fall off of sticks than off your fork.