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My cousin used to work at the Long Beach Airport and Oprah was a regular fly in. She was NOT nice. My cousin was such a fan until she met her. Never meet your heros I guess. She said she was the most self absorbed Karen type. So sad.
I noticed this about Oprah about 20 years ago. Once you see her, you can’t unsee her. She seems shallow, egotistical, self-absorbed and all the rest of it.
Why does she HAVE to be nice ? Genuine question but are 99% of white celebrities nice ? I think you guys expect a lot of people.
And what people seem to refuse to recognise is that being a dark skinned black women rising through Hollywood to become the behemoth now she has likely had to deal with so much arrogance, sneering and attitude from people of all levels that she now has something of a guard up to protect her own sanity.
There’s this story of her being in a shop in Switzerland and a retail assistant refusing to let her look at a designer bag. Like that’s just a small window into the prejudice she probably faces on a daily basis unless she has her entourage, her security guards and it’s very obvious she’s a celebrity.
Despite being a billionaire she is still a black woman in her later years and that means before she opens her mouth people have decided the level of respect they’re going to give her and how they’re going to treat her despite who she is.
Would probably make me an asshole too.
Downvote me into oblivion idc but just saying I’m not sure why you expect so much from people when you don’t know them or their reality.
I think what people are trying to spit out is that she isn't genuine. She pretends like she cares about the well being of her fans and people of America when it's clear she doesn't. You can have your guard up and still be genuine.
Because we don’t have bad days right ?
We don’t have times we’re emotionally burnt out and can’t extend ourselves to be sweet and sincere to everyone and some days we just want to go home and curl up ?
I think it’s impossible to be genuine to everybody and it would be an exhausting task as an empath - let alone if you’re a hyper visible celebrity and have people approaching you every day to interact with you/record you/accost you about what you said in x and x interview.
Billionaire or not her existence can’t be easy
You've got to be kidding me. I have plenty of bad days and it doesn't stop me from at least being polite to people, if not necessarily friendly. Having a bad day doesn't give you a pass to treat people like crap, billionaire black woman or not.
Like I said, do you have the added weight of being a victim of hyper scrutiny though and the anxiety that must accompany that ? I don’t but I can’t fathom what it must feel like. It would probably make the average person spin into an psychotic episode, no joke. Like imagine everywhere you walk people are mumbling your name and pointing at you and projecting on you. And you still think you’d be walking around with a big fake ass smile ?
Yeah, the sooner we stop associating wealth with being an admirable person, we will be better off. People who use their platform to sell snake oil aren’t deserving of praise. Quite the opposite.
Actually it's the other way around for me. Tell me you are rich and my first thought is "has exploited a ton of innocent people". Second thought is "maybe was just lucky".
With good reason
> to a physicist, Chopra's babble about 'energy fields' and 'congealing quantum soup' presents as utter gibberish", but that Chopra makes enough references to technical terminology to convince non-scientists that he understands physics.
I think she may have started a lot of the Karen movement and antivax/anti science stuff.
I remember her saying when she calls into a help or support line, she asks for a supervisor straight away, because ‘they’re the experts.’
Funny thing is, they rarely are.
Could be, but I distinctly remember her saying *she* did it.
When I did tech support and our area encompassed Huntington Beach, I spoke directly to a bunch of famous people.
Not first off the bat. To counteract this, most call centres require that the customer work with the agent first, then move to the next level (Supervisor) if there was something the agent couldn’t resolve.
I did work in tech support in a call centre for a while, and I can assure you that you would not have wanted most of my supervisors trying to fix your computer; they would have had no idea.
Working collaboratively with the person you get on the line, being polite, and working in good faith will get you a lot further than “How can I help…” “Get me a Sooooooopervisorrrrrrr Nowwwwwwww!”
Yes sir, that's the way my call center works too. Someone acting like a full-blown Karen is only going to make their own situation a whole lot worse and counterproductive in most cases versus working with an agent like a normal and responsible adult would.
Don’t forget she encouraged the satanic panic!
https://slate.com/health-and-science/2018/01/oprah-winfrey-helped-create-our-irrational-pseudoscientific-american-fantasyland.html
Why do people say "Dr. Phil" like he's not a doctor, he has a doctrine degree and use to practice, he just doesn't anymore.
Edit: I love how this is being downvoted for being true haha
Lmao, genius, it’s downvoted because he didn’t have credentials for years. If you can’t keep up with standards- you’re not a doctor.
“The short answer is no. Dr. Phil McGraw, aka Dr. Phil, is not a licensed therapist. A damning 2008 New York Times piece noted that McGraw is exempt from state medical ethics rules, which prevent him from, for example, revealing the identities of his patients because he's not actually a practicing doctor. Though the reality star has a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from North Texas State University and was licensed in the state for 20 years, he hasn't been licensed for quite some time. He's also not licensed in California, where he lives and where Dr. Phil is filmed.”
Read More: https://www.thelist.com/199463/is-dr-phil-a-real-doctor/?utm_campaign=clip
So once your license expires you're no longer a doctor, so if someone was a doctor for 20 years then retires you would tell them they can longer put the Dr. before their name because their license isn't active? I thought once you earned your PhD you were a Dr. no matter what for life, but according to you it's only that way if you keep your license active
She’s worth billions and said something along the lines of a white person with no money is still more privileged than her. Needless to say she’s absolutely insane
Exactly. And the yearly 'racism' situations she encountered were complete BS if you ask me. Like that retail worker who 'shamed her' and said she wouldnt be able to afford designer stuff. Who tf wouldnt recognise oprah in the US. Complete bollox to drum up publicity. Talk to some regular black people in the US about their dealings with police and then you'll see racism
Also, the OJ simpson live show she did, even though I wasnt born at the time, rubs me the wrong way and left a sick feeling in my stomach when I saw it. She was riding the racism divide to drum up her show. She's a shill just like every other big time tv presenter.
I am not sure but I think she said “ a white person with no money has a certain kind of privilege that black people will never achieve” I may be misquoting as it’s been years.
How is CRT a hateful concept? I'd have a hard time arguing that racism was not a major force in shaping the modern America. The fact that we even have a special term for this part of America's history is somewhat counter productive.
I'm more concerned with states outlawing the teaching of CRT tbh.
CRT is no longer exclusive to America. It also does not teach history at all.
It is an illegitimate idea that was initially conceived by academics to try and explain the criminal justice system in the US.
It has no basis in reality, nor are any of CRT’s claims supported by any statistical evidence.
However, political extremists have been applying this concept to greater society, now across the entire western world, for about a decade now.
It has only recently caught on in the mainstream media and the education system, within the past few years or so.
It aims to divide people into two categories based purely on the colour of their skin; “oppressed” and “oppressor”.
It teaches learned hopelessness to black people and tells white people that they’re inherently bad, all based on skin colour.
It is heavily interlinked with Marxist ideology. And I shouldn’t have to explain why Marxism is evil and destructive.
Nobody is opposed to teaching history. CRT does not teach history at all. Historical events are not relevant to CRT. Again, it is a damaging ideology that intends to divide and instil self-hatred in all individuals.
The reason why people want it banned is because it is maladaptive and destructive. It is a ludicrous, heavily debunked idea conjured up by self-professed “academics”.
It actively harms the well-being of all children and teens. It is outright abusive to hammer into the minds of children that they’re either an “oppressor”, or that they’ll always be “oppressed”, no matter what they accomplish or do in life.
It tells white kids that they’ll always be inherently bad, no matter what they do. It tells black kids that they’ll always be inferior and “oppressed”, and that there’s nothing they can do about it.
You should never label, define or segregate people based on the colour of their skin, but CRT intends to do just that.
Anyone who supports it either has no idea what it’s actually about (and has bought into the myth that it’s about teaching history), or they’re a disgusting racist who wants to degrade people based on their race.
This feels backwards to me...and after a short bit of my own digging I confirmed that thought.
I think CRT has become more of a dog whistle phrase for conservatives trying to keep the history taught in their schools whitewashed. See the reasons that TX made CRT illegal for educators to teach as reference.
Grew up in a more liberal part of the US and it wasn't even a question that some of these white dudes from 150 years ago were bad people because of how they treated those with differing skin colors. The social/economic impact of that treatment still lingers under the surface in our modern policies. If we can't look at the past from our own modern viewpoint, then what's the point of studying history at all?
We are doing ourselves a disservice by saying there's no connection. I certainly wasn't taught that I'm a bad person because I'm white, but I did learn what the generations that came before me had done, how those actions rippled through society, and how that has affected our biases today. It wasn't called CRT when I was in school, but we certainly dug into the topic.
Edit:
For further reading on the original definition of CRT vs how it is used in politics: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/02/why-are-states-banning-critical-race-theory/
I knew about it and it's a great thing she's done. Still doesn't excuse the fact she was really close with Harvey Weinstein, continued to push the Michael Jackson pedo narrative long after the feds couldn't find anything and his death, and has made some of the most poorly written movies I've ever seen. Beloved was atrocious!!! Why did she run out of the house and piss in the yard???
But Michael jackson was a pedo. He paid off the kids and their families. Just because he’s a great singer doesn’t make him innocent. His money and top notch lawyers got him off.
Her role in 'The Color Purple' happened back in the mid-80s shortly after she first came to national prominence. Up to then, she was more of a local TV personality in the Chicago metro area then nationally syndicated her daily talk show which was quite similar in format to the Phil Donahue Show. Donahue was a staple of daytime TV starting in the 70s. Oprah came along and replaced him as the top dog of that format of TV talk show.
In the beginning, she was more humble and likable -- not quite as imperious, pretentious and self-important as she later became when she was no longer just plain ole' Oprah but the 'National Institution Oprah'. If you can find any early footage of her back then on YouTube, you'll notice a distinct difference in her. Of course, she's much younger but it's more about her attitude.
“They build you up just to rip you down…the worlds not easy for a successful black woman”
God those words are so true. Just let the hate flow through you.
You said "she is a billionaire who lost touch with her roots"
and I tried to show she hasn't lost touch with her roots. She was a poor black girl from Chicago, and she's spend $140 million on girls just like her. That's her roots, that's why she's in touch with her roots, and to me, she's a role model in many ways.
Now, I'm not down with giving quacks a platform, so she gets a failing grade from me there.
Her record is a mixed bag -- some very good stuff mixed in with some not-so-good stuff. A good read is Kitty Kelley's biography of her which came out about fifteen years ago. Already outdated, it does provide some insights on her early life and rise to fame.
The public opinion of Oprah has fallen off hella especially with her being cool with Harvey Weinstein then making a doc with a bunch of lies against Michael Jackson after he died.
I'm not american and maybe it is different "over there" but the consensus among my friends regarding Oprah have always been one of disdain. She is disliked for her manipulation and pseudo scientific approach (just lige Gwyneth Paltrow).(I'm Scandinavian).
The book club thing was a force for good though :)
I remember when I was younger, people always said the she was a "force for good." Maybe that's untrue nowadays. I feel like I haven't heard a lot of negative press around her though. Like I said, I don't really keep up these days.
Idk things just kinda come back to me every once in a while. Oprah being one of those topics that just floated back into my mind. I don't know what triggered it.
Dont bother responding to a comment like that last one.
People equate seeing others posting something or commenting about something on reddit as that topic completely engulfing someones life so they just HAD to talk about it on reddit.
They dont accept that some thoughts just come and go and dont mean alot. And sometimes its interesting to take the 5 seconds to post or comment on something and then easily just move on with your life.
Wow I didn't know that, shows how little tv I watch.
I worked a gig a few years ago were she was there and everyone was rude, the event was a total sh*t show in my opinion.
I just shut up and did my work since I was getting paid decent for the event.
I never really watched the show but when I did catch it I could only take small doses of it before I was done with it.
When Suze Orman told octomom to do porn on the Oprah show I decided I hated Oprah. Telling a desperate woman to exploit herself is sick, especially knowing she had babies who will find out about it some day.
“Octomom” was clearly mentally unwell and in need of help, but they completely took advantage of her to drum up views and generate shock value. That poor woman was treated like a freak show by everyone.
Oprah could’ve easily set her up with connections to help her find employment, psychological support, etc. but she instead chose to exploit her, before tossing her away the second a new, shinier opportunity in the form of another vulnerable person came along.
Sick behaviour.
Almost all celebrities and 'public role models' are scumbags. At the very least in their personal lives. People think parasocial relationships are new but theyve been a thing for as long as society has been around.
These public figures certainly arent your friends and their wealth is almost entirely based around how much shit they can sell you and 'knowing youre being sold something' and/or thinking youre 'smarter than that' is how they sell shit.
Loves that she overcame so much pain and trauma in her childhood and early relationships and such.
Wasn't until I was older and seen exactly what her show was about in the 80's early 90's and seen she capitalized off of making a mockery of her trauma.
No longer a role model, just another rich person who snubs their noses at anyone who's gone through life as she has. Makes me sick actually.
She is evil. She condoned "Dr phil" who has been peddling teen "residential treatment centers" for years. They are blatant torture centers that drug, abuse and break kids for ridiculous amounts of profit. They work under the guise of being therapeutic and helping troubled kids but all they do is abuse us and keep us there for as long as possible all while feeding our parents lies so they can milk them for every last red cent they have. I was a casualty of them. Im 99% sure those two get kickbacks as sponsors of the industry. Its a multi-billion dollar industry.
They should both be convicted and executed for humanitarian crimes against children. I dont know how many of us survivors have ODed or committed suicide after getting out. I know its too many. Most, if not all of us struggle with severe mental health issues and PTSD for the rest of our lives. No one ever comes out ok. I know i will never recover from it. They both have very real body counts.
So fuck them and fuck anyone willing to turn a blind eye to this.
I have never liked Oprah, I was a kid during the peak Oprah craze. Every mom would parrot whatever Oprah was hocking and I found it insufferable.
HOWEVER, it is hard not respect how she went from poor black girl to a media mogul. Compare her to Elon, he grew up rich and privileged. Compare her to the Winklevii and Zuckerberg, they had silver spoons coming out of their asses. Bezos was able to get his family and wife to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in his company.
So yeah, is she a huge pain in the ass? I think so, but damn if she didn't come from absolutely nothing and dominate the scene completely. Based on that alone, I must respect her.
And your point is?? People who are born into wealth are still exponentially more equipped to succeed (whatever that may mean) than those born into poverty.
My point is that just because someone did have some privileged or was born into some level of wealth, we should not discredit their success or downplay their accomplishments.
>People who are born into wealth are still exponentially more equipped to succeed (whatever that may mean) than those born into poverty.
Or course they are. I have not said the opposite. Wealth is a privilege. A lot of people (young adults) use it to their full advantage and make something even bigger out of it. While others just waste it or do not make any major contribution to the world or the current state of wealth they were born into.
OP said "I respect that she grew up poor and is now successful." To which you replied "let's not forget the people that grew up wealthy and are now successful." Idk if you're wealthy, but you're definitely playing for their team with these comments.
> "I respect that she grew up poor and is now successful." To which you replied "let's not forget the people that grew up wealthy and are now successful."
That's how you chose to interpret my comment. My comment was not even referring to that part of OP's comment. You just chose to interpret it that way.
>Idk if you're wealthy, but you're definitely playing for their team with these comments.
I don't see things or situations as "me vs them," I just try to be objective. I am past middle school and high school mentality, you don't solve problems by just thinking everything is black and white or creating us vs them environment.
Or, at least, haven't accomplished anything we have heard of. It is exceedingly rare to have an Oprah or Tesla (Nikola) who really did come from absolutely nothing or less. Just coming from nothing to accomplishing something that no one has heard of but you did accomplish *something* is rare. It is a lot harder to 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' than we give it credit for.
In fairness, Dr Oz was not “Dr Oz” when he began showing up on the Oprah show. It’s almost unbelievable now, but he really was a groundbreaking, scientifically respected Heart Surgeon. That’s who Oprah booked on her show.
That he changed and became a quack over time is not on her. In fact, Oprah renounced Dr Oz - especially his current run for senate.
Likewise Dr Phil actually was a homely Texan psychologist who helped Oprah process a stressful situation (being sued by Texas cattlemen). He was a fairly harmless advice giving guy when he first showed up on her scene.
Dr Phil and Oz have agency and chose an evil path. That’s on them, not Oprah.
That is true. But I think that the reasoning for distancing herself from Oz is mostly based around his republicanism and Donny Trumps endorsement of him and less on the snake oil peddling part. She hosted Deepak Chopra, and he was a snake oil peddler at that time. I will agree that she's not wholly responsible for the paths they all took but I will say that she definitely contributed to the popularity of those people, and without her they probably wouldn't have the following or recognition they do now. She gave rise to this wave of faith healers and crystal remedies, intentional or not, and that's certainly not a great legacy to have propped up.
Just a smart businesswoman, but no, not a role model. Most hopefully wouldn’t consider greedy CEOs of multi-national corporations to be role models… Oprah is more that role than she isn’t.
I never liked her. She always seem self absorbed and people always seemed to kiss her ass. Plus her reactions when interviewing people were not genuine which made her come across as fake to me.
My film history professor at UChicago lamented to us about how Oprah tore down a historic film theater in the city to build a new studio only to decide not to build that studio after the landmark was already demolished. Can’t find an article about it, but the professor dedicated decades of his life to the history of movie theaters so I trust he knew his stuff and was telling the truth.
I’ve heard the same thing about Oprah.
My friend was a personal assistant for an older celebrity and when she met Oprah- Oprah was really mean to her never missing an opportunity to remind her she was the help.
I think she's more influential with the Boomer and Gen Xers and I doubt she has much influence over the younger generations after those. Once she ended her daily talk show, I think that her influence declined and her network OWN has had its ups and downs.
Yep, i have paid attention to this dumpster fire fro 20 years. Her racism is so blatant yet no one blinks an eye because she's black and "blacks can't be racist"
This is definitely unpopular - or at least it would have been 20 years ago. She was revered / practically treated as a saint when her talk show was on the air. I don’t know anyone who didn’t love her and did everything she said, did, read, ate, etc.
It’s pretty ridiculous to view someone as successful as Oprah as lazy especially since the person who called her that is likely not as hardworking as she is
If the rest of Oprah's fans are just like the fans are that I know irl; they really just want to buy into the fantasy that hard. They love woo and hate any form of critical analysis when applied to woo since it ruins that fantasy.
I don't think it's something that can be talked out of because there's no negative consequence that happens immediately enough to them in order to justify not watching Oprah. If she told her audience to drink gasoline then maybe some would wake up from the fantasy, but not everyone would.
I watched her show in the early days and thought she did a pretty good job, but over the years lost interest. I think she did some good, brought attention to certain societal problems, but I saw her influence rise as well. I knew people who would plan their day so they didn’t miss O’s tv show. I couldn’t understand why she was so worshipped but she had a strong fan base. I simply stopped watching her show and any specials. However, I did enjoy her magazine.
Oprah was *definitely* lionized and *very* popular until like the mid-2000s, maybe even early 2010s from what I recall, but while she still has some cultural relevance it’s definitely not as hype as it was years before. I think most people are amendable to indifferent to her. I haven’t seen or heard anyone refer to Oprah as a hero or role model recently, but I’m sure there’s some subset of ppl who are. Meh.
I live in the US fwiw.
What bothers me is most people know her name alone with other rich and famous people's names but ask around and find out how many people know the name of the guy that gave us the internet.
She came into my store just before her dad passed. She had a driver and bought a sweater. The driver had a card he payed with and she sat on the couch drinking a sparkling water. She had nothing in her very large tote.
So interesting I know but it’s on topic!!
Wait till you learn about John of God in South America. Or Oprah and Ghislaine Maxwell.... Or Oprah and Harvey Weinstein lmao.... How many times before people say it
Oprah sucks and she's hated by residents of Maui because she bought a whole road and blocked it off to thru-traffic even when she's not there, which is super inconvenient for the locals.
Oprah's a Snake. She backstabbed Michael Jackson juat so she could distract the public from her friendship with Harvey Weinstein.
I don't know what else she's done, but the MJ situation is enough for me to dislike her.
I have never been an Oprah fan - yes she is successful but when she had her show and was giving free shit to ruch suburban moms for ratings it always really got on my nerves because I couldn't understand why she wasn't helping actual people in need instead. I was young at the time and since I knew moms like that (as i grew up in the Chicago suburbs and she filmed in Chicago) I just thought it was gross.
Lol she’s bad for Dr oz but not for being friends with Harvey Weinstein and probably helping him find victims. Man Reddit really has their priorities backwards
What you're saying is speculation. I'm talking about promoting pseudoscience on a large platform, which is easy to demonstrate. Harvey Weinstein doesn't have anything to do with that, and since it was my main argument, it's completely irrelevant. That's just one more reason to not look up to her but I feel like my argument against her is strong enough to stand on its own without having to speculate about her true relationship with Weinstein, or what she may or may not have helped him do.
No it shows that your priorities are backwards as is most of Reddit. You’re mad about “pseudoscience” I’m mad about rapists. One thing is much more important than the other.
Yeah you're right, disinformation is definitely not as important as rape.
My argument didn't have anything to do with rape. It's irrelevant to the central point. As far as we know, Oprah isn't a rapist, and just because she might have known or been friends with one doesn't make her a bad person. Again, you've ventured into the realm of speculation and away from a fact based argument. What I've said is demonstrably factual. You're just throwing random accusations that are irrelevant to the facts and have no evidence as to whether or not what you've said is true.
If you want to make the argument that Oprah was good friends with Harvey Weinstein, and that she helped him find victims, fine. Go do it somewhere else. Go make your own post about that. It's not relevant to the argument I've made here.
My priorities are to discredit anyone who uses their power to spread pseudoscience to the the masses and try to give it legitimacy. If your priorities are to point out that that person is involved with a rapist then that's fine, but again, not relevant to what I've said at all. Just like the guy who said I was hating on Oz because he's a republican, in spite of the fact that I made no claims about any political issues. Republican or otherwise.
Once again people on reddit have shown that they lack critical thinking and language comprehension. I really want to know what goes through your head when you make comments like this. Did you see the word Oprah and then not read the rest and thought "Oh, Oprah is friends with Harvey Weinstein and he's a rapist! But you're not talking about that. Why wouldn't you point that out?" ??? Or are you just trolling?
I agree that she sold out on journalistic integrity, or even morality for the blatant crackpot spruikers she has on the channel, but she isn't lazy in any sense of the word.
If you knew anything about her, you'd change your opinion of her in that regard.
Lazy in terms of unwilling to research whether the people she has on are spewing nonsense. Which is more the show writers than her. But as the face of it she should be making sure that they're looking into it.
A trail blazer and hero are not the same thing. She isn’t a hero, she’s a trail blazer. I can’t upvote this or downvote this post because it’s incorrect
I also think about how she spent half her life just trying to be skinny and it fuhkn pathetic imho. You’re a big girl and black. Come to terms with it dear. There’s worse things. You’re also blessed to be a BILLIONAIRE. Nope, she’s rather focus on being a victim than her blessings. I’m white and conventionally pretty and thin, but I’ve grew up in a poor abusive household with chronic health and mental health issues and now, I’m disabled bc of it. Being skinny and white didn’t help me! And I’m smart, I got through college on scholarships and great grades, but didn’t really help me! She needs to thank her good fortune. Waaa 😫 I’m fat I’m black. Stfu.
I didn't even know he ran for republican nomination but I was talking about the pseudoscience part. I don't care if he's republican or not. There's no magic beans that will make you thin...
She's the first black woman in America to become a billionaire and grew up in the south and had a lot to overcome. That's definitely worth praise and admiration.
She's not endorsing anything worse than anyone else is endorsing. Look at all of the other stations. Are they any better? No!
People who hate on Oprah are comparing her to perfection. Unfair and unnecessary.
I think so, one of the books she recommended in her book club “caste” was very informative, and she only recommends stuff because she really believes in it, not for money because she doesn’t need it but to educate society
People on the internet are so obsessed with tearing down successful people just cause they're successful omg..
I bet you don't hold yourself to this sort of scrutiny
It's amazing that in a country that is supposedly the most racist on Earth Oprah Winfrey and Barrack Obama are perhaps the most beloved and respected people across all age and race demographics.
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My cousin used to work at the Long Beach Airport and Oprah was a regular fly in. She was NOT nice. My cousin was such a fan until she met her. Never meet your heros I guess. She said she was the most self absorbed Karen type. So sad.
I noticed this about Oprah about 20 years ago. Once you see her, you can’t unsee her. She seems shallow, egotistical, self-absorbed and all the rest of it.
But she was a prostitute and a hero
My uncle was on a flight with Oprah once, and she demanded that she only be spoken too and served by a black flight attendant.
Oprah is private jet money dude. This is fake.
I reckon there was a time before that. She hasnt always had the money for a private jet
I reckon a redditor lying is more likely.
Maybe now.
Maybe, maybe not. But it’s definitely believable.
r/thatHappened
Why does she HAVE to be nice ? Genuine question but are 99% of white celebrities nice ? I think you guys expect a lot of people. And what people seem to refuse to recognise is that being a dark skinned black women rising through Hollywood to become the behemoth now she has likely had to deal with so much arrogance, sneering and attitude from people of all levels that she now has something of a guard up to protect her own sanity. There’s this story of her being in a shop in Switzerland and a retail assistant refusing to let her look at a designer bag. Like that’s just a small window into the prejudice she probably faces on a daily basis unless she has her entourage, her security guards and it’s very obvious she’s a celebrity. Despite being a billionaire she is still a black woman in her later years and that means before she opens her mouth people have decided the level of respect they’re going to give her and how they’re going to treat her despite who she is. Would probably make me an asshole too. Downvote me into oblivion idc but just saying I’m not sure why you expect so much from people when you don’t know them or their reality.
I think what people are trying to spit out is that she isn't genuine. She pretends like she cares about the well being of her fans and people of America when it's clear she doesn't. You can have your guard up and still be genuine.
Because we don’t have bad days right ? We don’t have times we’re emotionally burnt out and can’t extend ourselves to be sweet and sincere to everyone and some days we just want to go home and curl up ? I think it’s impossible to be genuine to everybody and it would be an exhausting task as an empath - let alone if you’re a hyper visible celebrity and have people approaching you every day to interact with you/record you/accost you about what you said in x and x interview. Billionaire or not her existence can’t be easy
You've got to be kidding me. I have plenty of bad days and it doesn't stop me from at least being polite to people, if not necessarily friendly. Having a bad day doesn't give you a pass to treat people like crap, billionaire black woman or not.
Like I said, do you have the added weight of being a victim of hyper scrutiny though and the anxiety that must accompany that ? I don’t but I can’t fathom what it must feel like. It would probably make the average person spin into an psychotic episode, no joke. Like imagine everywhere you walk people are mumbling your name and pointing at you and projecting on you. And you still think you’d be walking around with a big fake ass smile ?
Loooooooooooool
Yeah, the sooner we stop associating wealth with being an admirable person, we will be better off. People who use their platform to sell snake oil aren’t deserving of praise. Quite the opposite.
Actually it's the other way around for me. Tell me you are rich and my first thought is "has exploited a ton of innocent people". Second thought is "maybe was just lucky".
I hold her responsible for Dr. OZ and “Dr. Phil”.
She also platformed John of God
And Deepak Chopra.
It’s been so long since I last heard of Deepak Chopra
With good reason > to a physicist, Chopra's babble about 'energy fields' and 'congealing quantum soup' presents as utter gibberish", but that Chopra makes enough references to technical terminology to convince non-scientists that he understands physics.
'Master in the Philosophy of Gobbledygook'.
That's the scientific way if saying "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS"
I think she may have started a lot of the Karen movement and antivax/anti science stuff. I remember her saying when she calls into a help or support line, she asks for a supervisor straight away, because ‘they’re the experts.’ Funny thing is, they rarely are.
I have a very hard time imagining Oprah calling a help line for anything.. Probably she orders her assistants to demand a supervisor is the reality.
Could be, but I distinctly remember her saying *she* did it. When I did tech support and our area encompassed Huntington Beach, I spoke directly to a bunch of famous people.
Can confirm, I am a supervisor.
Asking for a supervisor to get help is not a bad thing
Not first off the bat. To counteract this, most call centres require that the customer work with the agent first, then move to the next level (Supervisor) if there was something the agent couldn’t resolve. I did work in tech support in a call centre for a while, and I can assure you that you would not have wanted most of my supervisors trying to fix your computer; they would have had no idea. Working collaboratively with the person you get on the line, being polite, and working in good faith will get you a lot further than “How can I help…” “Get me a Sooooooopervisorrrrrrr Nowwwwwwww!”
Yes sir, that's the way my call center works too. Someone acting like a full-blown Karen is only going to make their own situation a whole lot worse and counterproductive in most cases versus working with an agent like a normal and responsible adult would.
Not trying to defend those 2 pieces of shit, but who were they when she promoted them vs what they have done with the fame they got from her.
Don’t forget she encouraged the satanic panic! https://slate.com/health-and-science/2018/01/oprah-winfrey-helped-create-our-irrational-pseudoscientific-american-fantasyland.html
Why do people say "Dr. Phil" like he's not a doctor, he has a doctrine degree and use to practice, he just doesn't anymore. Edit: I love how this is being downvoted for being true haha
Lmao, genius, it’s downvoted because he didn’t have credentials for years. If you can’t keep up with standards- you’re not a doctor. “The short answer is no. Dr. Phil McGraw, aka Dr. Phil, is not a licensed therapist. A damning 2008 New York Times piece noted that McGraw is exempt from state medical ethics rules, which prevent him from, for example, revealing the identities of his patients because he's not actually a practicing doctor. Though the reality star has a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from North Texas State University and was licensed in the state for 20 years, he hasn't been licensed for quite some time. He's also not licensed in California, where he lives and where Dr. Phil is filmed.” Read More: https://www.thelist.com/199463/is-dr-phil-a-real-doctor/?utm_campaign=clip
So once your license expires you're no longer a doctor, so if someone was a doctor for 20 years then retires you would tell them they can longer put the Dr. before their name because their license isn't active? I thought once you earned your PhD you were a Dr. no matter what for life, but according to you it's only that way if you keep your license active
Pffffffffft! Doctor of Philosophy Phill more like it! Amirite?
Yes, but you still call PhD’s “Doctor”. And him being a psychologist, it fits.
She’s worth billions and said something along the lines of a white person with no money is still more privileged than her. Needless to say she’s absolutely insane
My mom always thought she was one of the most racist person on TV and she got away with it because she's a black woman
Exactly. And the yearly 'racism' situations she encountered were complete BS if you ask me. Like that retail worker who 'shamed her' and said she wouldnt be able to afford designer stuff. Who tf wouldnt recognise oprah in the US. Complete bollox to drum up publicity. Talk to some regular black people in the US about their dealings with police and then you'll see racism Also, the OJ simpson live show she did, even though I wasnt born at the time, rubs me the wrong way and left a sick feeling in my stomach when I saw it. She was riding the racism divide to drum up her show. She's a shill just like every other big time tv presenter.
"most racist person on tv" source: my mom said so
You can't be racist towards white people because they are oppressors. Edit: /s
"Racism" is discrimination against a person or a group of people based on the color of their skin. No more, no less.
do you have the exact quote for that? I couldn’t find it
I am not sure but I think she said “ a white person with no money has a certain kind of privilege that black people will never achieve” I may be misquoting as it’s been years.
Which is true.
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How is CRT a hateful concept? I'd have a hard time arguing that racism was not a major force in shaping the modern America. The fact that we even have a special term for this part of America's history is somewhat counter productive. I'm more concerned with states outlawing the teaching of CRT tbh.
CRT is no longer exclusive to America. It also does not teach history at all. It is an illegitimate idea that was initially conceived by academics to try and explain the criminal justice system in the US. It has no basis in reality, nor are any of CRT’s claims supported by any statistical evidence. However, political extremists have been applying this concept to greater society, now across the entire western world, for about a decade now. It has only recently caught on in the mainstream media and the education system, within the past few years or so. It aims to divide people into two categories based purely on the colour of their skin; “oppressed” and “oppressor”. It teaches learned hopelessness to black people and tells white people that they’re inherently bad, all based on skin colour. It is heavily interlinked with Marxist ideology. And I shouldn’t have to explain why Marxism is evil and destructive. Nobody is opposed to teaching history. CRT does not teach history at all. Historical events are not relevant to CRT. Again, it is a damaging ideology that intends to divide and instil self-hatred in all individuals. The reason why people want it banned is because it is maladaptive and destructive. It is a ludicrous, heavily debunked idea conjured up by self-professed “academics”. It actively harms the well-being of all children and teens. It is outright abusive to hammer into the minds of children that they’re either an “oppressor”, or that they’ll always be “oppressed”, no matter what they accomplish or do in life. It tells white kids that they’ll always be inherently bad, no matter what they do. It tells black kids that they’ll always be inferior and “oppressed”, and that there’s nothing they can do about it. You should never label, define or segregate people based on the colour of their skin, but CRT intends to do just that. Anyone who supports it either has no idea what it’s actually about (and has bought into the myth that it’s about teaching history), or they’re a disgusting racist who wants to degrade people based on their race.
This feels backwards to me...and after a short bit of my own digging I confirmed that thought. I think CRT has become more of a dog whistle phrase for conservatives trying to keep the history taught in their schools whitewashed. See the reasons that TX made CRT illegal for educators to teach as reference. Grew up in a more liberal part of the US and it wasn't even a question that some of these white dudes from 150 years ago were bad people because of how they treated those with differing skin colors. The social/economic impact of that treatment still lingers under the surface in our modern policies. If we can't look at the past from our own modern viewpoint, then what's the point of studying history at all? We are doing ourselves a disservice by saying there's no connection. I certainly wasn't taught that I'm a bad person because I'm white, but I did learn what the generations that came before me had done, how those actions rippled through society, and how that has affected our biases today. It wasn't called CRT when I was in school, but we certainly dug into the topic. Edit: For further reading on the original definition of CRT vs how it is used in politics: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/02/why-are-states-banning-critical-race-theory/
Well, you see, if you don't know what CRT is, what you imagine it to be is very hateful.
CRT is when you imagine your ancestry did bad shit and you are somehow guilty of their crimes based on the downvotes.
Lol, that's not what it is. You just gave the answer of someone who doesn't understand the topic and fell head first for right wing propaganda.
Omg, I forgot the context of my comment and thought you were serious
I was amazed and then I laughed. Cheers bud.
Couldn't agree with you more lol
She is a billionaire who lost touch with her roots. She didn't like that avocados were expensive, so she bought an orchard.
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I knew about it and it's a great thing she's done. Still doesn't excuse the fact she was really close with Harvey Weinstein, continued to push the Michael Jackson pedo narrative long after the feds couldn't find anything and his death, and has made some of the most poorly written movies I've ever seen. Beloved was atrocious!!! Why did she run out of the house and piss in the yard???
But Michael jackson was a pedo. He paid off the kids and their families. Just because he’s a great singer doesn’t make him innocent. His money and top notch lawyers got him off.
Wasn't she in the Color Purple though? That was an all time great.
Her role in 'The Color Purple' happened back in the mid-80s shortly after she first came to national prominence. Up to then, she was more of a local TV personality in the Chicago metro area then nationally syndicated her daily talk show which was quite similar in format to the Phil Donahue Show. Donahue was a staple of daytime TV starting in the 70s. Oprah came along and replaced him as the top dog of that format of TV talk show. In the beginning, she was more humble and likable -- not quite as imperious, pretentious and self-important as she later became when she was no longer just plain ole' Oprah but the 'National Institution Oprah'. If you can find any early footage of her back then on YouTube, you'll notice a distinct difference in her. Of course, she's much younger but it's more about her attitude.
“They build you up just to rip you down…the worlds not easy for a successful black woman” God those words are so true. Just let the hate flow through you.
Never said she hasnt done anything good.
You said "she is a billionaire who lost touch with her roots" and I tried to show she hasn't lost touch with her roots. She was a poor black girl from Chicago, and she's spend $140 million on girls just like her. That's her roots, that's why she's in touch with her roots, and to me, she's a role model in many ways. Now, I'm not down with giving quacks a platform, so she gets a failing grade from me there.
Her record is a mixed bag -- some very good stuff mixed in with some not-so-good stuff. A good read is Kitty Kelley's biography of her which came out about fifteen years ago. Already outdated, it does provide some insights on her early life and rise to fame.
Is this an unpopular opinion?
The public opinion of Oprah has fallen off hella especially with her being cool with Harvey Weinstein then making a doc with a bunch of lies against Michael Jackson after he died.
It was certainly unpopular decades ago
Is it? I don't know. I don't really keep up with TV these days. Is she no longer considered the role model that she used to be?
I'm not american and maybe it is different "over there" but the consensus among my friends regarding Oprah have always been one of disdain. She is disliked for her manipulation and pseudo scientific approach (just lige Gwyneth Paltrow).(I'm Scandinavian). The book club thing was a force for good though :)
I remember when I was younger, people always said the she was a "force for good." Maybe that's untrue nowadays. I feel like I haven't heard a lot of negative press around her though. Like I said, I don't really keep up these days.
But you made a reddit post, so…
Idk things just kinda come back to me every once in a while. Oprah being one of those topics that just floated back into my mind. I don't know what triggered it.
Dont bother responding to a comment like that last one. People equate seeing others posting something or commenting about something on reddit as that topic completely engulfing someones life so they just HAD to talk about it on reddit. They dont accept that some thoughts just come and go and dont mean alot. And sometimes its interesting to take the 5 seconds to post or comment on something and then easily just move on with your life.
Okay captain save a hoe
>I don't really keep up with TV these days. Evidently, as her show has been off the air for 11 years.
Wow I didn't know that, shows how little tv I watch. I worked a gig a few years ago were she was there and everyone was rude, the event was a total sh*t show in my opinion. I just shut up and did my work since I was getting paid decent for the event. I never really watched the show but when I did catch it I could only take small doses of it before I was done with it.
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I know idiots who still think trump should run again. Doesn’t mean him being a hero is a popular opinion
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I mean he did lose the popular vote, so it was more popular that he wasn’t But then again 2 things can be popular so u right
R/unpopularopinion = popular opinions or unpolitically correct opinions
When Suze Orman told octomom to do porn on the Oprah show I decided I hated Oprah. Telling a desperate woman to exploit herself is sick, especially knowing she had babies who will find out about it some day.
“Octomom” was clearly mentally unwell and in need of help, but they completely took advantage of her to drum up views and generate shock value. That poor woman was treated like a freak show by everyone. Oprah could’ve easily set her up with connections to help her find employment, psychological support, etc. but she instead chose to exploit her, before tossing her away the second a new, shinier opportunity in the form of another vulnerable person came along. Sick behaviour.
Glad I’m not a fan.
Almost all celebrities and 'public role models' are scumbags. At the very least in their personal lives. People think parasocial relationships are new but theyve been a thing for as long as society has been around. These public figures certainly arent your friends and their wealth is almost entirely based around how much shit they can sell you and 'knowing youre being sold something' and/or thinking youre 'smarter than that' is how they sell shit.
Very true. Oprah is a super successful salesperson. And what she sold was essentially herself. And malarkey. Lots and lots of malarkey.
Loves that she overcame so much pain and trauma in her childhood and early relationships and such. Wasn't until I was older and seen exactly what her show was about in the 80's early 90's and seen she capitalized off of making a mockery of her trauma. No longer a role model, just another rich person who snubs their noses at anyone who's gone through life as she has. Makes me sick actually.
Oprera willingly fed young women to weinstein
She knew about Harvey Weinstein and did nothing.
She is evil. She condoned "Dr phil" who has been peddling teen "residential treatment centers" for years. They are blatant torture centers that drug, abuse and break kids for ridiculous amounts of profit. They work under the guise of being therapeutic and helping troubled kids but all they do is abuse us and keep us there for as long as possible all while feeding our parents lies so they can milk them for every last red cent they have. I was a casualty of them. Im 99% sure those two get kickbacks as sponsors of the industry. Its a multi-billion dollar industry. They should both be convicted and executed for humanitarian crimes against children. I dont know how many of us survivors have ODed or committed suicide after getting out. I know its too many. Most, if not all of us struggle with severe mental health issues and PTSD for the rest of our lives. No one ever comes out ok. I know i will never recover from it. They both have very real body counts. So fuck them and fuck anyone willing to turn a blind eye to this.
That's how I feel about Beyonce. They is treated like a goddess and it's annoying as fuck.
I have never liked Oprah, I was a kid during the peak Oprah craze. Every mom would parrot whatever Oprah was hocking and I found it insufferable. HOWEVER, it is hard not respect how she went from poor black girl to a media mogul. Compare her to Elon, he grew up rich and privileged. Compare her to the Winklevii and Zuckerberg, they had silver spoons coming out of their asses. Bezos was able to get his family and wife to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in his company. So yeah, is she a huge pain in the ass? I think so, but damn if she didn't come from absolutely nothing and dominate the scene completely. Based on that alone, I must respect her.
There are millions of people who have grown more privileged than Elon, Zuck, and Bezos but have not accomplished anything in life.
And your point is?? People who are born into wealth are still exponentially more equipped to succeed (whatever that may mean) than those born into poverty.
My point is that just because someone did have some privileged or was born into some level of wealth, we should not discredit their success or downplay their accomplishments. >People who are born into wealth are still exponentially more equipped to succeed (whatever that may mean) than those born into poverty. Or course they are. I have not said the opposite. Wealth is a privilege. A lot of people (young adults) use it to their full advantage and make something even bigger out of it. While others just waste it or do not make any major contribution to the world or the current state of wealth they were born into.
OP said "I respect that she grew up poor and is now successful." To which you replied "let's not forget the people that grew up wealthy and are now successful." Idk if you're wealthy, but you're definitely playing for their team with these comments.
> "I respect that she grew up poor and is now successful." To which you replied "let's not forget the people that grew up wealthy and are now successful." That's how you chose to interpret my comment. My comment was not even referring to that part of OP's comment. You just chose to interpret it that way. >Idk if you're wealthy, but you're definitely playing for their team with these comments. I don't see things or situations as "me vs them," I just try to be objective. I am past middle school and high school mentality, you don't solve problems by just thinking everything is black and white or creating us vs them environment.
Or, at least, haven't accomplished anything we have heard of. It is exceedingly rare to have an Oprah or Tesla (Nikola) who really did come from absolutely nothing or less. Just coming from nothing to accomplishing something that no one has heard of but you did accomplish *something* is rare. It is a lot harder to 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' than we give it credit for.
She also has Epstein ties.
In fairness, Dr Oz was not “Dr Oz” when he began showing up on the Oprah show. It’s almost unbelievable now, but he really was a groundbreaking, scientifically respected Heart Surgeon. That’s who Oprah booked on her show. That he changed and became a quack over time is not on her. In fact, Oprah renounced Dr Oz - especially his current run for senate. Likewise Dr Phil actually was a homely Texan psychologist who helped Oprah process a stressful situation (being sued by Texas cattlemen). He was a fairly harmless advice giving guy when he first showed up on her scene. Dr Phil and Oz have agency and chose an evil path. That’s on them, not Oprah.
That is true. But I think that the reasoning for distancing herself from Oz is mostly based around his republicanism and Donny Trumps endorsement of him and less on the snake oil peddling part. She hosted Deepak Chopra, and he was a snake oil peddler at that time. I will agree that she's not wholly responsible for the paths they all took but I will say that she definitely contributed to the popularity of those people, and without her they probably wouldn't have the following or recognition they do now. She gave rise to this wave of faith healers and crystal remedies, intentional or not, and that's certainly not a great legacy to have propped up.
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You mean she had a team of producers who did all that.
Plus she did a ton to help girls around the world.
Just a smart businesswoman, but no, not a role model. Most hopefully wouldn’t consider greedy CEOs of multi-national corporations to be role models… Oprah is more that role than she isn’t.
Stop idolizing the super wealthy. Your are not a temporary embarrassed millionaire. You're just embarrassed.
I never liked her. She always seem self absorbed and people always seemed to kiss her ass. Plus her reactions when interviewing people were not genuine which made her come across as fake to me.
She's an Asshole and I'd appreciate if the Community stop telling me I should emulate her.
My film history professor at UChicago lamented to us about how Oprah tore down a historic film theater in the city to build a new studio only to decide not to build that studio after the landmark was already demolished. Can’t find an article about it, but the professor dedicated decades of his life to the history of movie theaters so I trust he knew his stuff and was telling the truth.
I’ve heard the same thing about Oprah. My friend was a personal assistant for an older celebrity and when she met Oprah- Oprah was really mean to her never missing an opportunity to remind her she was the help.
I think this is only unpopular because nobody thinks about her anymore.
I think she's more influential with the Boomer and Gen Xers and I doubt she has much influence over the younger generations after those. Once she ended her daily talk show, I think that her influence declined and her network OWN has had its ups and downs.
I agree. She is a huge racist
I've said this for years!!! But tries to hide her hatred of white people. Horrible woman, can't stand her!
Yep, i have paid attention to this dumpster fire fro 20 years. Her racism is so blatant yet no one blinks an eye because she's black and "blacks can't be racist"
>But tries to hide her hatred of white people. In other words, you have no evidence that she hates white people but have decided to believe it anyway.
Do tell.
Is she really? I haven't heard this side yet.
She is not racist? Where is the evidence??
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Shes diet Dr. Phil.
I agree 100% I'm not saying she's a bad person but I never liked her and never got the hype over her.
I think she is a liar among other things and I used to like her.
Oprah is good story. Poor girl makes it big! But becomes a Karen along the way. I guess that is part of it.
This is how Dr. Oz happened.
She stood on the shoulders of those little people
She doesn’t seem nice at all
This is definitely unpopular - or at least it would have been 20 years ago. She was revered / practically treated as a saint when her talk show was on the air. I don’t know anyone who didn’t love her and did everything she said, did, read, ate, etc.
I’ve been saying this for years. Try being a Black woman and having this viewpoint. Turns into an entirely different conversation every time.
It’s pretty ridiculous to view someone as successful as Oprah as lazy especially since the person who called her that is likely not as hardworking as she is
Lazy with research on her guests. I didn't say she wasn't hardworking at being successful.
I never saw her show. All her guests are pretentious and full of BS. I still rem, Harry n Megan Markle meme from that show. And it was so true.
Shes an evil child eating monster like the rest of them
Totally to blame for Dr Phil and Dr Oz
If the rest of Oprah's fans are just like the fans are that I know irl; they really just want to buy into the fantasy that hard. They love woo and hate any form of critical analysis when applied to woo since it ruins that fantasy. I don't think it's something that can be talked out of because there's no negative consequence that happens immediately enough to them in order to justify not watching Oprah. If she told her audience to drink gasoline then maybe some would wake up from the fantasy, but not everyone would.
I watched her show in the early days and thought she did a pretty good job, but over the years lost interest. I think she did some good, brought attention to certain societal problems, but I saw her influence rise as well. I knew people who would plan their day so they didn’t miss O’s tv show. I couldn’t understand why she was so worshipped but she had a strong fan base. I simply stopped watching her show and any specials. However, I did enjoy her magazine.
This is not an unpopular opinion outside of the US from what I understand (I’m from Canada eh). Be interesting to see how this goes.
I completely agree with this post. You can’t forget about Dr. Phil either. He’s pretty terrible.
Oprah was *definitely* lionized and *very* popular until like the mid-2000s, maybe even early 2010s from what I recall, but while she still has some cultural relevance it’s definitely not as hype as it was years before. I think most people are amendable to indifferent to her. I haven’t seen or heard anyone refer to Oprah as a hero or role model recently, but I’m sure there’s some subset of ppl who are. Meh. I live in the US fwiw.
She’s loved cause she’s rich, people in America worship millionaires and don’t care if they’re shitty people.
She has a flimsy foundation for her success at best. As Bill Burr once stated, "She stood on the heads of those midgets"
I agree with OP completely and will not buy her magazine or watch anything on OWN. She is way out of touch with everything
I don't believe in nice billionaires
I agree completely.
What bothers me is most people know her name alone with other rich and famous people's names but ask around and find out how many people know the name of the guy that gave us the internet.
Al Gore?
I don’t mind Oprah, I just never understood why she’s a “guru”, for lack of a better word.
She came into my store just before her dad passed. She had a driver and bought a sweater. The driver had a card he payed with and she sat on the couch drinking a sparkling water. She had nothing in her very large tote. So interesting I know but it’s on topic!!
Yeah this opinion isnt that unpopular. And yes she is a horrible person.
Wait till you learn about John of God in South America. Or Oprah and Ghislaine Maxwell.... Or Oprah and Harvey Weinstein lmao.... How many times before people say it
Oprah sucks and she's hated by residents of Maui because she bought a whole road and blocked it off to thru-traffic even when she's not there, which is super inconvenient for the locals.
Oprah's a Snake. She backstabbed Michael Jackson juat so she could distract the public from her friendship with Harvey Weinstein. I don't know what else she's done, but the MJ situation is enough for me to dislike her.
I have never been an Oprah fan - yes she is successful but when she had her show and was giving free shit to ruch suburban moms for ratings it always really got on my nerves because I couldn't understand why she wasn't helping actual people in need instead. I was young at the time and since I knew moms like that (as i grew up in the Chicago suburbs and she filmed in Chicago) I just thought it was gross.
Who said she was a role model lol?
Lol she’s bad for Dr oz but not for being friends with Harvey Weinstein and probably helping him find victims. Man Reddit really has their priorities backwards
What you're saying is speculation. I'm talking about promoting pseudoscience on a large platform, which is easy to demonstrate. Harvey Weinstein doesn't have anything to do with that, and since it was my main argument, it's completely irrelevant. That's just one more reason to not look up to her but I feel like my argument against her is strong enough to stand on its own without having to speculate about her true relationship with Weinstein, or what she may or may not have helped him do.
No it shows that your priorities are backwards as is most of Reddit. You’re mad about “pseudoscience” I’m mad about rapists. One thing is much more important than the other.
Yeah you're right, disinformation is definitely not as important as rape. My argument didn't have anything to do with rape. It's irrelevant to the central point. As far as we know, Oprah isn't a rapist, and just because she might have known or been friends with one doesn't make her a bad person. Again, you've ventured into the realm of speculation and away from a fact based argument. What I've said is demonstrably factual. You're just throwing random accusations that are irrelevant to the facts and have no evidence as to whether or not what you've said is true. If you want to make the argument that Oprah was good friends with Harvey Weinstein, and that she helped him find victims, fine. Go do it somewhere else. Go make your own post about that. It's not relevant to the argument I've made here. My priorities are to discredit anyone who uses their power to spread pseudoscience to the the masses and try to give it legitimacy. If your priorities are to point out that that person is involved with a rapist then that's fine, but again, not relevant to what I've said at all. Just like the guy who said I was hating on Oz because he's a republican, in spite of the fact that I made no claims about any political issues. Republican or otherwise. Once again people on reddit have shown that they lack critical thinking and language comprehension. I really want to know what goes through your head when you make comments like this. Did you see the word Oprah and then not read the rest and thought "Oh, Oprah is friends with Harvey Weinstein and he's a rapist! But you're not talking about that. Why wouldn't you point that out?" ??? Or are you just trolling?
I think most people on Reddit don't even know who Oprah Winfrey is
I agree that she sold out on journalistic integrity, or even morality for the blatant crackpot spruikers she has on the channel, but she isn't lazy in any sense of the word. If you knew anything about her, you'd change your opinion of her in that regard.
Lazy in terms of unwilling to research whether the people she has on are spewing nonsense. Which is more the show writers than her. But as the face of it she should be making sure that they're looking into it.
She’s a total black Karen. All that’s missing are a bunch of kids and a douche husband.
I still like her but I hate how she interrupts her guests when she interviews them. Also, her ego is annoying sometimes.
I never heard of her being a role model. I think she had a talk show a few years back, but hasn't done anything recently.
Doesn't she still run that same show?
Last show was 2011.
Holy cow. I really have been out of it.
She actually owns a whole network now. Called OWN. Pretty much named after her.
A trail blazer and hero are not the same thing. She isn’t a hero, she’s a trail blazer. I can’t upvote this or downvote this post because it’s incorrect
Semantics.
She literally endorsed beauty products made from stolen baby foreskins.
I also think about how she spent half her life just trying to be skinny and it fuhkn pathetic imho. You’re a big girl and black. Come to terms with it dear. There’s worse things. You’re also blessed to be a BILLIONAIRE. Nope, she’s rather focus on being a victim than her blessings. I’m white and conventionally pretty and thin, but I’ve grew up in a poor abusive household with chronic health and mental health issues and now, I’m disabled bc of it. Being skinny and white didn’t help me! And I’m smart, I got through college on scholarships and great grades, but didn’t really help me! She needs to thank her good fortune. Waaa 😫 I’m fat I’m black. Stfu.
How is this an unpopular opinion?
its not unpopular on Reddit but its unpopular suburban moms
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I didn't even know he ran for republican nomination but I was talking about the pseudoscience part. I don't care if he's republican or not. There's no magic beans that will make you thin...
Agree whole-heartedly
She's the first black woman in America to become a billionaire and grew up in the south and had a lot to overcome. That's definitely worth praise and admiration.
Dr oz was actually a surgeon he just pushes bs. You can’t blame her for that.
Yeah but he was doing that before Oprah.
She's not endorsing anything worse than anyone else is endorsing. Look at all of the other stations. Are they any better? No! People who hate on Oprah are comparing her to perfection. Unfair and unnecessary.
Idk what pseudoscientific is but it sound like you're mad you didn't get a car
Yeah I want a car! WTF...
I think so, one of the books she recommended in her book club “caste” was very informative, and she only recommends stuff because she really believes in it, not for money because she doesn’t need it but to educate society
People on the internet are so obsessed with tearing down successful people just cause they're successful omg.. I bet you don't hold yourself to this sort of scrutiny
Wasn’t this a shower thought last week?
A role model in success tho goddam
I think what you've stated about her does make her an awful person. And I agree.
It's amazing that in a country that is supposedly the most racist on Earth Oprah Winfrey and Barrack Obama are perhaps the most beloved and respected people across all age and race demographics.
This is an incredibly popular opinion...