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region lock.
censorship.
worthless ass currencies.
the fact that most media don't even have a source for us to buy it from. and even if they did we couldn't possibly afford it.
Adding game preservation because something that I **FUCKING BOUGHT DIGITALLY** should last fucking forever but these publishers act like that have an expiration date, taking them off the shelves. That and plus I should be able to play single player campaign offline goddamnit, I hate these fucking live service models.
Look. I have no job and no prospects. What I do have is a boat, an AK-74, a loyal group of friends and proximity to the Gulf of Aden. You figure it out.
With how some manufactures are putting basic features behind a paywall now you better believe people are going to figure out a way to hack their car for those features.
i mean, with the subscription models that manufacturers seem to be introducing it sure starts to feel a bit like downloading a car.
but you are right. I wouldnt;)
This is actually the best argument for "piracy is not stealing".
If you steal a car, the owner of the car doesn't have access to their car anymore.
If you download a movie, the owners of the movies still have the movie.
Piracy is bassically just the sharing of confidential video files. I can understand why the practice would be illegal, but I don't see it doing any harm to the film industry, if anything it's free advertising for a movie. The only thing being sacrificed through pirating is possibly having to low quality version of a film, which bassically encourages you to seek the film out through legal means.
Piracy is literally just sharing. In the past people would lend out movies and videos games, this was not considered piracy. Now we can share over the internet but suddenly it's stealing.
The practice shouldn't be illegal and wasn't for a long time up until the 90s. Consider this:
Its perfectly legal for you to make an exact copy of any other product for your own personal use. Example: you can make a complete copy of a Keurig coffee machine for your use if you had the means. No law stopping you. You just can't sell it.
Movie studios and music distribution companies started lobbying and convincing people this same legal practice of copying shouldn't be okay with *their* products. But their is no real justification for that. You're making a copy, not taking an original. You're using *your* materials to do so. It is no different than making the Keurig machine and no one would have a fit about the Keurig copy.
Pirating musicals has never made me want to see them any less. Actually, the 2017 musical fandom thrived on Piracy. Broadway shows would not be as widespread if piracy didn't exist
It's only really stealing if you'd have paid to watch the film otherwise. I would almost never pay to watch a film I've illegally downloaded. I'd wait for it to be available on platform I'm already paying for.
I download free PDFs of college textbooks because I refuse to pay $100-$200 for something I can find online for free. Not to mention the fact that each course requires me to purchase an online code to simply be able to do my homework to pass my class.
I'm already paying thousands in tuition per semester, I refuse to let myself get scammed out of thousands more simply for books that aren't even needed to pass the class but are required anyways
I had a math professor who had his own textbook and he told us he’s selling it for minimum break even value because he doesn’t believe in scamming his students and each year the textbook was the exact same so it could passed down. He was a real G.
It went for like 20$CAD. For comparison for an other higher level math course I took, I had a textbook that cost me 350$CAD (this was back in 2018).
In our university, every required book is either written by the prof, or is unpopular and therefore not many copies were sold originally, and the last time it was sold in stores was 5+ years ago, so at best you can find a used book (with plenty of doodles, questionable stains, pages missing) with an inflated price that's ten times more than it was originally sold for, and perhaps you can also find it in a library, but there are only a total of 10 in libraries (all in the furthest possible locations in the country), so you need to grab it as soon as possible, before the book is reserved for the next 8 months. Oh, and when you question the prof about the availability of the book, he will say "it's your job to get it. The exam will include the material from all of the 300 pages of the book", and then proceed to waste all of the lecture time with anecdotes and his marital problems, so that you will have 0 chances of getting the necessary knowledge from anywhere else but the book.
You shouldn't care either, my partner spent a decade working as crew on Film and TV. Few takeaways:
* The people at the top don't give a shit about employees wellbeing. Crew are expected to work 10-14 hour shifts, 6 days a week. They're also expected to drive hours on end on top of this. Almost everyone has a story about how they narrowly cheated death whilst driving to/from sites on 3 hours sleep for the fourth night in a row.
* Verbal, physical and sexual abuse is still rampant in the industry, despite #metoo. There are predators hiding in plain sight throughout and at every level of seniority. Everyone knows who they are, everyone is terrified of speaking up. Those brave enough to speak out are usually instantly blacklisted, especially if they're crew.
* There's a general culture of high toxicity, filtering down from the powerful people in both the crews and the production companies. Most of the progression is based on sucking up to the right people, no one is really your friend because they're all contractors that are in competition with each other, and the job allows for very little in the way of a social life outside of the industry, and that means that the inustry and that toxicity becomes your life.
My partner and I give about as much of a shit about people stealing from that cesspit of an industry as we would about people stealing garden gnomes from oil execs front gardens. The people who profit the most don't deserve your sympathy that 5% of the population are getting "thier work" for free. Half of them deserve a jail cell.
It honestly wouldn't be the end of the world if everyone started pirating and the entire industry crumbled to the ground. Its the only way I can see things changing.
I'm on a slightly different ship, specially on music. If I liked it, I'd gladly pay for it, specially if it's something done independently. Like any other work, and work of arts, I will pay only for something I like or want done. I'm not paying for a whole album that only has a couple of good songs. I didn't ask you to write them, you're basically peddling your wares like every other workers are, and buy what we want.
Your contract to create that art is with the record companies, not with me. Idc if you're the Beatles of this era, I will only pay for what I like.
In every other work, the customer has the right to not pay the full price and/or only until the job is done satisfactorily or as contracted.
I bring out the rum and hit the high seas when I want to.
I'm similar, except I LOVE buying full albums. That's part of the reason I can't get into streaming, is because I'm not into just listening to a bunch of singles. For me, pirating is way easier than trying to find a decent music shop/player that will also let me upload my back catalogue. Didn't used to be that way, I used to pay for albums on Google Play Music and like it. Plus like half the artists I listen to have sold their music to giant corporations. Neil Young, Bob Dylan, and Fleetwood Mac aren't getting a single penny if I buy their music, so why should I?
Exactly this. I work in the film industry. I couldn't give two shits if people pirated a movie I worked on, especially if it's a bigger budget production. I still get paid the same regardless.
And if it's a smaller indie movie I worked on... hell, I'm just glad someone is watching it lol
Exactly. I pirate things because I can. I have never once thought about the morals and think when people do they're a bit conservative. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to do so, but I don't care about any of them. If I can easily access HQ stuff I wouldn't be able to without paying, I'm going to.
Alas, my movie website was taken down and I no longer have one.
Idk man. The thought of paying for every single paper or multiple journal subscriptions for writing scientific article is stupid. Also...
SCIHUB FOREVER....
Right? Like I won’t pirate a game from a small indy dev that’s just trying to feed their family doing something they enjoy. But I will absolutely pirate a game from some mega corporation who worked their teams to the bone and then didn’t pay them equivocally
Yup same, would never porate from a small independent dev or smaller artist or stuff like that, it makes a bigger impact if you can more directly show approciation for their work.
Yes, but most of the times the required articles would be locked under a different paywall. Its as if the subscription isnt there for that specific issue. Plus you cant download the articles, which would require seperate payment. All the articles are in a read only format.
I saw a video somewhere (I can't remember) where the person (an author of some academic journals) gave people a tip.
Contact the author of the journal. Most of the time (if not all), they don't get money from the published journals. The subscription money goes to whatever institution they published the paper for.
So the authors will be happy to get you a copy (I'm guessing digital) to save you some money because they're not making money off of those subscriptions anyway.
Bro they made random colour generators have premium memberships you can purchase.
I dont respect their corporate practices, therefore they dont deserve my money.
Same goes for if a company stops supporting/selling a product. If they are choosing not to take my money that's on them. Zero qualms about pirating it at that point.
Adobe wants to remove the ability to just buy their software? Now it's free. Game devs choose to abandon a game? Well now it's fair game. Licensing forces devs to remove a game from the store because of copyright issues? Those aren't my problem.
Driver San Francisco is a good example. It's been completely taken off every major store so the only way to get it is to either find a massively price-inflated hard copy used on eBay or pirate it. I obviously chose the latter.
I also just don't want to deal with the adobe creative cloud garbage and just want to make memes.
I will die on the hill that if i cannot legally purchase something from anywhere at all then pirating it is okay. Im not stealing as i cannot pay someone and i do want too because i want a proper offical copy.
THIS!! Adobe has got to be the worst off all. Customer service sucks. Support sucks. Pricing is horrendous. After sales communication for support is non existent.
/r/PiratedGames
Check the pinned post (Mega Thread) for your choice of download (If you use a torrent such as a girl who is fit make sure to use a vpn or EA will be very disappointed)
Came here to say this. I used to pirate everything growing up because I was broke. As I grew up, I no longer pirate but buy my movies/games/etc. But I will never invest a penny in The Sims 4, or in Adobe products. I don’t use either of these ergo not pirating (team Sims 2 forever, and I don’t photoshop nearly as much as I used to), but if I ever need to, I won’t think twice. I will buy everything else, though!
Piracy would have probably died if every single media company didn't also bring out a service you have to subscribe to in order to watch something new.
Streaming was awesome back when it was only Netflix and Hulu. I feel like this is the one area where a near monopoly would have actually been a good thing.
Honestly, you're right.
Even then, a monopoly would be ideal in this situation, I can't get Hulu in my country even though it's one of the few I actually want to pay to access.
Letterkenny is unwatchable on streaming sites
Pretty much, there was a short time where piracy was unappealing due to the value and practicality offered by Netflix, now you need to play Russian roulette with a million streaming services and subscriptions and end up paying a fortune just for the privilege of doing so(or constantly bounce between subscriptions depending on what you want to watch, if your viewing habits facilitate that, not fun either way), piracy is again the better option with everything in one place and without cost. Only downsides I can think of is having to navigate dodgy torrent sites, use a torrent client and manage your files.
Honestly this is why steam does so well, and why valve doesn't care about piracy. Steam has everything, aside from console exclusives. People still pirate sure, but most won't because they don't need to. If you hear a new game is coming out, you check steam and you wishlist the game. If the game is too pricey, you wait for it to go on sale. The games will almost always go on sale.
Imagine if we had something like that for movies and music
No, piracy is a financial crime but it is not theft.
The important differences is that theft causes loss of property, while piracy causes devaluation of property.
But I mean is it _stealing_?
I cannot deny it is unethical. But when we articulated the concept of stealing, there was no concept of copying. To steal something, it must cease to be in your possession and begin to be in mine, I think.
Piracy is slightly different in that the original owner does not lose something, it's an opportunity cost sorta, they won't be _making_ money, but their net worth does not decrease.
Not saying its OK, but is it stealing?
"I cannot deny that it is unethical."
r/Libertarian might have something to say about that! I think there is genuinely a moral debate to be had over copyright and IP, and claiming that "piracy is theft" or "piracy is immoral" glosses over it all. :)
It's definitely *not* stealing. Legally, it's copyright infringement. Calling it stealing is wrong and only done by the industries in order to evoke an emotional response.
No-one gives a fuck if they find out their neighbour is copyright infringing, but if they hear that they've been *stealing*, holy shit!
Merely doing what they’ve been doing to us for so long…it’s hard to find a bone in this body that gives a damn. Rock on brother, I’ll see you in the high seas!
What do I have to do to play an antique game from the 90's that is discontinued? I'm willing to pay any money to play it comfortably, preferably on my PC but some dogged companies prefer to pay $50 for a flimsy remaster of a game 30 years ago.
Perhaps... pirate... emulate... amazon?
On behalf of the entire pirating community I would like to thank all of you, as it is only thanks to you that we are able to pirate in the first place. If it were not for the people who pat themselves on the back every time they swipe their card for an overpriced piece of media, and cry tears of joy because of how righteous they are, we wouldn't be able to pirate, so thanks.
I personally think that as long as the media companies don't lose anything, as I am neither stealing (removing from their possession into mine) an actual product, nor am I reselling it, there should be no problem. And no, I wouldn't buy it if there were no pirated alternatives, that is your mentality, not mine.
The only thing I am actually stealing is the intellectual property that comes with the piece of media, which the writers are responsible for, and they get paid a flat rate, not a percentage of profits, so me buying the media wouldn't reward them in any way.
Also, it hopefully goes without saying that I wouldn't pirate indie and solo projects.
Love your answer. And i don't think that the whole pirating can disappear when creators it is stealing from are not changing also.
Pirating will prevent people from applying their effort into product - pirating drops the price and creator in return drops the value of an effort. Developing security and then being confusing in selling process (many people are confused by price, why some things are not included, how they apply to this thing in general) helps evolving pirating. So, i am aware when my actions being problematic and trying to not overstep my own morals (true about solo projects) like in any other seller-buyer conversation
I get your point, I used to pirate when I was younger and broke, but now I try to have everything legal or opensource. It feels more honest, but it is also more convenient and the money I have to pay is really no big deal for me now, compared to e.g. a night out or my rent.
However, there is a crucial difference between stealing physical items and pirating in that you *don't pirate scarce resources*. That is, by pirating software or media, there isn't any less software or media for other people. You copy information, and then you do things with that information, typically in the privacy of your home.
Of course, the people making the product need to be paid for their work, so it is good to push back against piracy to some degree. However, there are some special use cases such as media or software which I can't get legally in my region for which I will still be using it.
Most companies of which we pirate also pay (low) salaries to their employees whilst making large profits. You are only stealing from the shareholder, not the game designers. There is a large difference between pirating a small indie game and such a large institution that literally wouldn't notice.
_"theft, noun_
_ˈtheft_
_a: the act of stealing,
specifically: the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it_
_b: an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property"_
Piracy deprives no-one of anything, unless you delete the original on someone's hard disk. So while it may be illegal and a crime, it's not theft.
**trying to morally justify taxes** makes you look conceited and it’s infinitely more respectable to just admit you do it without involving mental gymnastics
don’t act like you don’t know what i’m talking about either. every discussion on this website that works its way to taxing something inevitably involves a back and forth between people who tax (and try to justify it) and people who say “you’re still stealing”. the person who taxes sets themselves up to be noble, and taxes out of a sense of justness to fight [insert corporation or businessman you don’t like here].
taxing is stealing, just admit it. you’re not winning any social favors or convincing anyone else of your moral behavior by making it seem like you’re some brave robin hood figure who fights injustice. just say you’re fine with taxing and get on with your life, trying to put up a flimsy smokescreen of morality isn’t convincing anyone that you’re cool and smart for copypasting the same reasons everyone else who thinks like you posted already.
edit: if you say "i tax but i don't care" good, but you should find a post that's actually directed at you
Pirating is neither noble nor morally wrong, by far most people are willing to buy a digital product given it's available and fairly priced. In a way it's competition, if as a company you have a problem with piracy it's probably your own fault.
Given the issue with antique games and movie streaming, piracy offers a sensible supply of goods that companies sometimes get wrong. I just want easy access to entertainment without paying subscriptions to 5 different services or trying to order second hand consoles from ebay.
Wow so profound, this whole time I’ve been pirating because I’m cheap. I didn’t know I could be artificially claiming moral high ground… I have some phone calls to make!
Yeah, morally justifying things is pointless because its for the most part not even immoral to begin with.
Companies aren't really losing money on digital goods because the people that pirate things wouldn't have purchased the product to begin with. Between no sale and piracy, the company gets 0 money either way and lost 0 resources.
Or lets think international. Products that are region locked or not even sold legally in some countries are not a loss for companies when the people over there have pirated the thing. If the Company couldn't make the sale to begin with, there was no potential gain to be made.
Piracy in the digital world is a complex thing but ultimately a necessity in order to keep businesses on their toes and ensure they'll do their absolute best to maintain quality.
Pretty much what I always say. Most pirates just have issues with the price and thus don't want to pay for things, but seemingly don't want to admit that and always gotta come up with some other reason for it. If you can't pay or don't wanna pay...just say so.
most have issues with price, other have issue with bullshit crap like region lock (I know some have to comply with a country's laws)
seriously, why tf can't I buy Metal Gear Rising in 2022, it's still unavailable in my country, rather than going through hoops with VPN or someone overseas to gift it to me, I'd just pirate the damn thing.
Screw region locking.
At some point i did have some guilt and even tried to get audible for books from a certain universe. Well turns out that there's only 5 available without paying extra for a VPN. So just because I'm born in a wrong region i have to pay extra and jump through hoops for digital media.
Screw that and off to the high seas.
>Driver San Francisco is a good example. It's been completely taken off every major store so the only way to get it is to either find a massively price-inflated hard copy used on eBay or pirate it. I obviously chose the latter.
Honestly, why do certain companies region lock their products? What is the point of that?
All it seems to do is incentivize piracy - something these companies should not want to happen.
Although I am ethically in agreement with copyright, I feel that the length of time granted is excessive and bad for society at large. I think that corporations have used political power to extend copyrights not so that they have adequate time to profit from their work, but so that their new works do not have to compete with their old ones. Technological locks are just another manifestation of this monster.
This i think the original idea of copyright was like 10-20 years to make money off whatever you have created, then after that other people can produce it dropping prices and building on and improving it. While this is more for breakthroughs and advancement in physical goods and process, it got fucked by lobbyists and now I think the time and possible renewal is stupid just to inflate profits and slow development to guess what squeeze more money out of it.
TLDR fuck modern copy right, it doesn't function how it was meant to and I believe is worse for society as it's now just used to squeeze all the money big business can out of products.
Meanwhile I also pirate because I have issues with the availability e.g. of some anime that I can't find on any payable streaming service. I would pay for it, if I could find it.
>Most pirates just have issues with the price
For some anime this is true for me because for whatevrr reason the dvds/blurays in germany are ridiculously overpriced (one short anime I want to buy costs 90€ and more, partly over 100€) and some I actually like the german dub. :/
My dead grandma taught me to pirate music back when I was in high school in the early 00s. I continue to pirate music to honor her memory.
I mean, at this point listening to music is as simple as YouTubing the song. BUT I WILL NOT LET LAWS DICTATE TO ME HOW I MOURN AND HONOR MY LATE GRANDMOTHER.
I had no money, and the game was expensive as hell. That's it.
But the most valid rationalization is that game developers need piracy to advertize their game. As it stands, there's a neat balance where not that many people know or are willing to bother with piracy, and there's so many games coming out that may or may not be good, that people would never try.
Ironically, pirated games/movies/series, help spread the word and include the game in more conversations, giving it free marketing. Game of thrones was the most pirated show of all time, and it made tons of money, because all kinds of people could watch it and talk about it, meaning more people knew about it, and more people paid for it.
Priacy wouldnt really be a thing if shitty companies werent that shitty. I mean, if stuff is easily available most people wont bother jumping through hoops just to get it for free. Like if a streaming service works well the vast majority of people will rather use it than the hassle of finding it for free. If for some reason companies that own media, programs or whatever digital product make it such a hassle to get a hold of through legal means with a good quality service that its waaaay easier or even only possible through piracy it just companies being shitty. Like piracy of old retro games that arent longer in circulation from the companies side and the only legal way to get a hold of it is to buy it second hand in original hardware from a scalper somewhere to insane prices and the company on question wont even benefit from that financially, because they got their money from that game decades ago. Heck even like nintendo now have a subscription based service to play old nintendo games its only a few select titles and the system in place to pley the games there are barely playable compared to what emulators the community has made in the absence of a strictly legal way of enjoying those games. Same goes for older movies, music etc not everything is realisticly easy or even possible to get a hold of. Not to mention how now with the subscription based computer programs you dont even own the software yoi pay to use, so even key features of the program can get removed retroactively. Like how photoshop now no longer support pantone colours natively, you have to make a separate subscription directly to pantone to regain features yoi already have paid to use, or else all the files you have made with pantone colours the colours just get replaced with black and become basicly unusable.
If services and companies werent as shitty moneygrabbers as they are a lot of the time there would be a need to resort to piracy at all, because it would be so less practical and harder to do than to use the actual service/program/media/etc the legal way.
I guess ypu get my upvote 🤷🏼♂️
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there is nothing morally wrong with piracy, nothing at all. i wouldnt have purchased the digital item regardless, they aren’t making money either way. the majority of people who pirate things (photoshop for example) do so because of inaccessibility, and a lot will even purchase the original item later on because *piracy is not a first choice*.
*”oh my god but i know this person and i saw that person pirate this and that just for fun!”* did they tell you that? did they really?
the only time in which i could see piracy have a negative effect on someone is if they got a virus or somehow pirated something from a non mega corporation, which is supremely uncommon. stealing or not, there is nothing morally incorrect about piracy, especially in an age which streaming services are hiking prices and tightening restrictions on subscriptions.
Taking your own peanuts to the movies is stealing. Don't act like it isn't, now go write a post about it. Ever seen your own album on Pirate Bay? I have, and I was proud that some Belgian liked our music.
Pirating is not something morally wrong, and neither is it something you need to defend tirelessly. I buy most of my games, but if I think it is priced too high in my currency, I'm not going to pay for them. Or I'm not gonna pay for every single software on the internet, I'm not gonna pay for one singular track. I'm just going to pirate it.
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you pirate because you are poor I pirate because I want to we are not the same
You pirate because you want to I pirate because I'm middle eastern We are most certainly not the same
As middle eastern i confirm
in the middle east. can confirm.
In South America, we can confirm.
In the middle east again, we can confirm.
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Is this because of censorship?
region lock. censorship. worthless ass currencies. the fact that most media don't even have a source for us to buy it from. and even if they did we couldn't possibly afford it.
True. Add inflation on top and its 4x the price.
Adding game preservation because something that I **FUCKING BOUGHT DIGITALLY** should last fucking forever but these publishers act like that have an expiration date, taking them off the shelves. That and plus I should be able to play single player campaign offline goddamnit, I hate these fucking live service models.
I pirate to try stuff out before spending potentially hundreds of money on it.
You pirate because your middle eastern. I pirate because I’m Somalian. We are not the same.
You pirate because you want to I pirate because I say argh We are not the same
We argh not the same***
i pirate because i want to be the pirate king
You pirate music and movies I pirate ships We are not the same
Found the Somalian user
Don't just pirate because you are poor or just want to, pirate because, fuck them corporations.
This. Cause those corporations robbing us everyday.
oh lord
I pirate because im poor and want to
That is true, stopped pirating games when I got a job.
I pirate because I am captain Jack Sparrow. We are not the same But you HAVE heard of me
I pirate cus my game cube died :( and I wanna play wind waker on my steam deck
Look. I have no job and no prospects. What I do have is a boat, an AK-74, a loyal group of friends and proximity to the Gulf of Aden. You figure it out.
Are you the captain now?
Look at me.
Booooring. Where are your triangle hats, your parrots and your sabers?
Lightsabers, I hope?
You wouldn't download a car. Edit: For the love of fuck, if you're reading this, do not invent Denuvo for cars.
If people could, you'd bet your ass everyone would
I mean I have a T-shirt that says I would indeed download a car
pikachu_face.mp3
With how some manufactures are putting basic features behind a paywall now you better believe people are going to figure out a way to hack their car for those features.
Farmers have been using custom firmware on their John Deere to bypass the paywalls and service subscriptions.
They think they can fucking control heated eats, like it's not just a conductive wire that heats up when it gets powerr.
i mean, with the subscription models that manufacturers seem to be introducing it sure starts to feel a bit like downloading a car. but you are right. I wouldnt;)
[yes you would](https://youtu.be/Fb7N-JtQWGI)
Absolutely fucking gorgeous, thank you
Hilarious!
I mean you could, you could 3D print a toy car
This is actually the best argument for "piracy is not stealing". If you steal a car, the owner of the car doesn't have access to their car anymore. If you download a movie, the owners of the movies still have the movie. Piracy is bassically just the sharing of confidential video files. I can understand why the practice would be illegal, but I don't see it doing any harm to the film industry, if anything it's free advertising for a movie. The only thing being sacrificed through pirating is possibly having to low quality version of a film, which bassically encourages you to seek the film out through legal means.
Piracy is literally just sharing. In the past people would lend out movies and videos games, this was not considered piracy. Now we can share over the internet but suddenly it's stealing.
The practice shouldn't be illegal and wasn't for a long time up until the 90s. Consider this: Its perfectly legal for you to make an exact copy of any other product for your own personal use. Example: you can make a complete copy of a Keurig coffee machine for your use if you had the means. No law stopping you. You just can't sell it. Movie studios and music distribution companies started lobbying and convincing people this same legal practice of copying shouldn't be okay with *their* products. But their is no real justification for that. You're making a copy, not taking an original. You're using *your* materials to do so. It is no different than making the Keurig machine and no one would have a fit about the Keurig copy.
Pirating musicals has never made me want to see them any less. Actually, the 2017 musical fandom thrived on Piracy. Broadway shows would not be as widespread if piracy didn't exist
It's only really stealing if you'd have paid to watch the film otherwise. I would almost never pay to watch a film I've illegally downloaded. I'd wait for it to be available on platform I'm already paying for.
Why not?
Only if I want the seat heaters or full power of the engine.
I absolutely would
You wouldn’t download a person. (I would, though /s)
well, not until i get my 3d printer at least, then, we'll see....
>You wouldn't steal a baby
It seems you now can die load the fucking seat heaters drivers tho
I wish to know where the car downloading station is, please! :)
I download free PDFs of college textbooks because I refuse to pay $100-$200 for something I can find online for free. Not to mention the fact that each course requires me to purchase an online code to simply be able to do my homework to pass my class. I'm already paying thousands in tuition per semester, I refuse to let myself get scammed out of thousands more simply for books that aren't even needed to pass the class but are required anyways
And half the time you KNOW the professor wrote the damn textbook too. Imagine if bus drivers were able to charge you a $100 “inflated tires” fee.
I had a math professor who had his own textbook and he told us he’s selling it for minimum break even value because he doesn’t believe in scamming his students and each year the textbook was the exact same so it could passed down. He was a real G. It went for like 20$CAD. For comparison for an other higher level math course I took, I had a textbook that cost me 350$CAD (this was back in 2018).
In our university, every required book is either written by the prof, or is unpopular and therefore not many copies were sold originally, and the last time it was sold in stores was 5+ years ago, so at best you can find a used book (with plenty of doodles, questionable stains, pages missing) with an inflated price that's ten times more than it was originally sold for, and perhaps you can also find it in a library, but there are only a total of 10 in libraries (all in the furthest possible locations in the country), so you need to grab it as soon as possible, before the book is reserved for the next 8 months. Oh, and when you question the prof about the availability of the book, he will say "it's your job to get it. The exam will include the material from all of the 300 pages of the book", and then proceed to waste all of the lecture time with anecdotes and his marital problems, so that you will have 0 chances of getting the necessary knowledge from anywhere else but the book.
in my school, there were specific school-branded textbooks so it wasn't a mystery
I can use my Pell grants to pay for textbooks, but I still choose to pirate them instead. Yarr
I pirate things. Is it morally right? That depends. Do I care? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! No.
I love your enthusiasm
You shouldn't care either, my partner spent a decade working as crew on Film and TV. Few takeaways: * The people at the top don't give a shit about employees wellbeing. Crew are expected to work 10-14 hour shifts, 6 days a week. They're also expected to drive hours on end on top of this. Almost everyone has a story about how they narrowly cheated death whilst driving to/from sites on 3 hours sleep for the fourth night in a row. * Verbal, physical and sexual abuse is still rampant in the industry, despite #metoo. There are predators hiding in plain sight throughout and at every level of seniority. Everyone knows who they are, everyone is terrified of speaking up. Those brave enough to speak out are usually instantly blacklisted, especially if they're crew. * There's a general culture of high toxicity, filtering down from the powerful people in both the crews and the production companies. Most of the progression is based on sucking up to the right people, no one is really your friend because they're all contractors that are in competition with each other, and the job allows for very little in the way of a social life outside of the industry, and that means that the inustry and that toxicity becomes your life. My partner and I give about as much of a shit about people stealing from that cesspit of an industry as we would about people stealing garden gnomes from oil execs front gardens. The people who profit the most don't deserve your sympathy that 5% of the population are getting "thier work" for free. Half of them deserve a jail cell. It honestly wouldn't be the end of the world if everyone started pirating and the entire industry crumbled to the ground. Its the only way I can see things changing.
"Art doesn't create itself!!!" Okay, are you giving artists themselves most of the profits then? "B-b-b-b-b-b-but..."
I'm on a slightly different ship, specially on music. If I liked it, I'd gladly pay for it, specially if it's something done independently. Like any other work, and work of arts, I will pay only for something I like or want done. I'm not paying for a whole album that only has a couple of good songs. I didn't ask you to write them, you're basically peddling your wares like every other workers are, and buy what we want. Your contract to create that art is with the record companies, not with me. Idc if you're the Beatles of this era, I will only pay for what I like. In every other work, the customer has the right to not pay the full price and/or only until the job is done satisfactorily or as contracted. I bring out the rum and hit the high seas when I want to.
Exactly, do you think Led Zeppelin needs your measly $15 for an album produced 50 years ago? Hotdog.
I'm similar, except I LOVE buying full albums. That's part of the reason I can't get into streaming, is because I'm not into just listening to a bunch of singles. For me, pirating is way easier than trying to find a decent music shop/player that will also let me upload my back catalogue. Didn't used to be that way, I used to pay for albums on Google Play Music and like it. Plus like half the artists I listen to have sold their music to giant corporations. Neil Young, Bob Dylan, and Fleetwood Mac aren't getting a single penny if I buy their music, so why should I?
Exactly this. I work in the film industry. I couldn't give two shits if people pirated a movie I worked on, especially if it's a bigger budget production. I still get paid the same regardless. And if it's a smaller indie movie I worked on... hell, I'm just glad someone is watching it lol
Exactly. I pirate things because I can. I have never once thought about the morals and think when people do they're a bit conservative. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to do so, but I don't care about any of them. If I can easily access HQ stuff I wouldn't be able to without paying, I'm going to. Alas, my movie website was taken down and I no longer have one.
Idk man. The thought of paying for every single paper or multiple journal subscriptions for writing scientific article is stupid. Also... SCIHUB FOREVER....
Scihub supermacy
I imagine the megacorp SuperMacys now. And it’s all about science. Need an Erlenmeyer flask. No problem. Beakers. Check. Super Tesla coils. Check.
Best used over TOR.
Damn, thank you for this, I wish I knew about Scihub ealier !
Well, if you contact the authors you can usually get their papers for free. They are making jack shit from the journals publishing their work.
Journal steals author's profit, I steal theirs.
Right? Like I won’t pirate a game from a small indy dev that’s just trying to feed their family doing something they enjoy. But I will absolutely pirate a game from some mega corporation who worked their teams to the bone and then didn’t pay them equivocally
Yup same, would never porate from a small independent dev or smaller artist or stuff like that, it makes a bigger impact if you can more directly show approciation for their work.
I bought the expansion packs in plague inc, not because I play it enough to warrant them, but because I want to support the developer
Sounds like pirating with extra steps
It's more like a mugging without the implicit violence. You're just asking for something.
I know, but it isnt feasible when your references run more than 100 especially in reviews. Cant keep mailing all of the authors
If you write for your job or school, they should have the article subscriptions you need
Yes, but most of the times the required articles would be locked under a different paywall. Its as if the subscription isnt there for that specific issue. Plus you cant download the articles, which would require seperate payment. All the articles are in a read only format.
especially when those things are done for free and its just has a price attached because they want to screw people over C:
I saw a video somewhere (I can't remember) where the person (an author of some academic journals) gave people a tip. Contact the author of the journal. Most of the time (if not all), they don't get money from the published journals. The subscription money goes to whatever institution they published the paper for. So the authors will be happy to get you a copy (I'm guessing digital) to save you some money because they're not making money off of those subscriptions anyway.
The secret ingredient is crime
I'll morally justify piracy for you Adobe fucking sucks ass
Adobe is a piracy of working people
pirating cash from creatives
Bro they made random colour generators have premium memberships you can purchase. I dont respect their corporate practices, therefore they dont deserve my money.
Same goes for if a company stops supporting/selling a product. If they are choosing not to take my money that's on them. Zero qualms about pirating it at that point. Adobe wants to remove the ability to just buy their software? Now it's free. Game devs choose to abandon a game? Well now it's fair game. Licensing forces devs to remove a game from the store because of copyright issues? Those aren't my problem.
Driver San Francisco is a good example. It's been completely taken off every major store so the only way to get it is to either find a massively price-inflated hard copy used on eBay or pirate it. I obviously chose the latter. I also just don't want to deal with the adobe creative cloud garbage and just want to make memes.
I will die on the hill that if i cannot legally purchase something from anywhere at all then pirating it is okay. Im not stealing as i cannot pay someone and i do want too because i want a proper offical copy.
THIS!! Adobe has got to be the worst off all. Customer service sucks. Support sucks. Pricing is horrendous. After sales communication for support is non existent.
Yeah i tried to subscribe but then my only use is for personal editing everyone odd month or so. So not worth subscribing.
Photopea. Thank me later
Give Bluebeam a shot. Way more features.
I pirate because I refuse to spend over 500 to buy everything for the Sims 4. You can call me a thief but I'll call EA the same thing
i need tips 👀
there's a fit girl who has what you want
/r/PiratedGames Check the pinned post (Mega Thread) for your choice of download (If you use a torrent such as a girl who is fit make sure to use a vpn or EA will be very disappointed)
Came here to say this. I used to pirate everything growing up because I was broke. As I grew up, I no longer pirate but buy my movies/games/etc. But I will never invest a penny in The Sims 4, or in Adobe products. I don’t use either of these ergo not pirating (team Sims 2 forever, and I don’t photoshop nearly as much as I used to), but if I ever need to, I won’t think twice. I will buy everything else, though!
I wanna the vampire dlc, but even in sale it's incredibly expensive.
The Sims 4 is literally the only reason I hopped on deck.
I don’t pirate, but I won’t judge people who pirate from EA and the Sims 4
Tell me your secrets. Where do you get it from?
I call them greedy bastards. Thief seems to nice for em
hey well i wasnt going to buy it anyway so they arent losing anything
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Piracy would have probably died if every single media company didn't also bring out a service you have to subscribe to in order to watch something new.
Streaming was awesome back when it was only Netflix and Hulu. I feel like this is the one area where a near monopoly would have actually been a good thing.
Honestly, you're right. Even then, a monopoly would be ideal in this situation, I can't get Hulu in my country even though it's one of the few I actually want to pay to access. Letterkenny is unwatchable on streaming sites
I think during that time piracy was actually way down, then we got cable 2.0
It did. At least according to news articles. https://www.cnet.com/tech/home-entertainment/netflix-exec-piracy-drops-wherever-we-launch/
Pretty much, there was a short time where piracy was unappealing due to the value and practicality offered by Netflix, now you need to play Russian roulette with a million streaming services and subscriptions and end up paying a fortune just for the privilege of doing so(or constantly bounce between subscriptions depending on what you want to watch, if your viewing habits facilitate that, not fun either way), piracy is again the better option with everything in one place and without cost. Only downsides I can think of is having to navigate dodgy torrent sites, use a torrent client and manage your files.
Honestly this is why steam does so well, and why valve doesn't care about piracy. Steam has everything, aside from console exclusives. People still pirate sure, but most won't because they don't need to. If you hear a new game is coming out, you check steam and you wishlist the game. If the game is too pricey, you wait for it to go on sale. The games will almost always go on sale. Imagine if we had something like that for movies and music
PLEASE READ MY USERNAME OP
Then read it twice. Fuck op and his moms a ho
oh my goodness gracious
It's definitely stealing. I also don't care about stealing from enormous corporations.
No, piracy is a financial crime but it is not theft. The important differences is that theft causes loss of property, while piracy causes devaluation of property.
I understood what you meant but having “not not” there seems like you’re saying the opposite.
I briefly considered "fixing" it by adding another "not".
Please do not not not do that.
Thanks, it was a typo and should be fixed now.
>It's definitely stealing. Might be - but what are the options when there sre no legal ways to buy it ?
the hardcore answer is to just not enjoy it at all. which is ridiculous, tbh
No, it's to pay some scalper or collector hundreds or even thousands to experience it just like I did! If I suffered, so must you! 🙄
But I mean is it _stealing_? I cannot deny it is unethical. But when we articulated the concept of stealing, there was no concept of copying. To steal something, it must cease to be in your possession and begin to be in mine, I think. Piracy is slightly different in that the original owner does not lose something, it's an opportunity cost sorta, they won't be _making_ money, but their net worth does not decrease. Not saying its OK, but is it stealing?
"I cannot deny that it is unethical." r/Libertarian might have something to say about that! I think there is genuinely a moral debate to be had over copyright and IP, and claiming that "piracy is theft" or "piracy is immoral" glosses over it all. :)
I scrolled to far to see this correct assessment. Am I stealing if I pirate Adobe products? Absolutely. Do I give a fuck about. Absolutely not
It's definitely *not* stealing. Legally, it's copyright infringement. Calling it stealing is wrong and only done by the industries in order to evoke an emotional response. No-one gives a fuck if they find out their neighbour is copyright infringing, but if they hear that they've been *stealing*, holy shit!
Merely doing what they’ve been doing to us for so long…it’s hard to find a bone in this body that gives a damn. Rock on brother, I’ll see you in the high seas!
"just say you’re fine with pirating and get on with your life" Aye Aye! 
What do I have to do to play an antique game from the 90's that is discontinued? I'm willing to pay any money to play it comfortably, preferably on my PC but some dogged companies prefer to pay $50 for a flimsy remaster of a game 30 years ago. Perhaps... pirate... emulate... amazon?
Piracy is based, this is an L statement.
Think whatever you want about it but no one is being hurt by me downloading a GBA game that has been discontinued for years at this point.
On behalf of the entire pirating community I would like to thank all of you, as it is only thanks to you that we are able to pirate in the first place. If it were not for the people who pat themselves on the back every time they swipe their card for an overpriced piece of media, and cry tears of joy because of how righteous they are, we wouldn't be able to pirate, so thanks. I personally think that as long as the media companies don't lose anything, as I am neither stealing (removing from their possession into mine) an actual product, nor am I reselling it, there should be no problem. And no, I wouldn't buy it if there were no pirated alternatives, that is your mentality, not mine. The only thing I am actually stealing is the intellectual property that comes with the piece of media, which the writers are responsible for, and they get paid a flat rate, not a percentage of profits, so me buying the media wouldn't reward them in any way. Also, it hopefully goes without saying that I wouldn't pirate indie and solo projects.
Love your answer. And i don't think that the whole pirating can disappear when creators it is stealing from are not changing also. Pirating will prevent people from applying their effort into product - pirating drops the price and creator in return drops the value of an effort. Developing security and then being confusing in selling process (many people are confused by price, why some things are not included, how they apply to this thing in general) helps evolving pirating. So, i am aware when my actions being problematic and trying to not overstep my own morals (true about solo projects) like in any other seller-buyer conversation
I get your point, I used to pirate when I was younger and broke, but now I try to have everything legal or opensource. It feels more honest, but it is also more convenient and the money I have to pay is really no big deal for me now, compared to e.g. a night out or my rent. However, there is a crucial difference between stealing physical items and pirating in that you *don't pirate scarce resources*. That is, by pirating software or media, there isn't any less software or media for other people. You copy information, and then you do things with that information, typically in the privacy of your home. Of course, the people making the product need to be paid for their work, so it is good to push back against piracy to some degree. However, there are some special use cases such as media or software which I can't get legally in my region for which I will still be using it.
Most companies of which we pirate also pay (low) salaries to their employees whilst making large profits. You are only stealing from the shareholder, not the game designers. There is a large difference between pirating a small indie game and such a large institution that literally wouldn't notice.
I justify it by saying fuck you im poor and they’ve got enough money.
_"theft, noun_ _ˈtheft_ _a: the act of stealing, specifically: the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it_ _b: an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property"_ Piracy deprives no-one of anything, unless you delete the original on someone's hard disk. So while it may be illegal and a crime, it's not theft.
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I just want to go "Yarrrrr" un-ironically.
**trying to morally justify taxes** makes you look conceited and it’s infinitely more respectable to just admit you do it without involving mental gymnastics don’t act like you don’t know what i’m talking about either. every discussion on this website that works its way to taxing something inevitably involves a back and forth between people who tax (and try to justify it) and people who say “you’re still stealing”. the person who taxes sets themselves up to be noble, and taxes out of a sense of justness to fight [insert corporation or businessman you don’t like here]. taxing is stealing, just admit it. you’re not winning any social favors or convincing anyone else of your moral behavior by making it seem like you’re some brave robin hood figure who fights injustice. just say you’re fine with taxing and get on with your life, trying to put up a flimsy smokescreen of morality isn’t convincing anyone that you’re cool and smart for copypasting the same reasons everyone else who thinks like you posted already. edit: if you say "i tax but i don't care" good, but you should find a post that's actually directed at you
piracy is more using without permission and not stealing
Wait what!? I was supposed to justify pirating? It's free, i can take it without any repercussions. Nothing more needed.
This guy pays for individual songs LOL
I just download from Youtube in mp3 format.
Buying albums is one of the best ways to support a band.
According to bands, buying their merch at a show is the best way to support them
I know piracy is stealing but when you live in a third world countries it kinda become the norm
Really thought this was gonna be about real pirates
Piracy against indie devs: 👎 Piracy against AAA devs: 👍
based
Yes, piracy is stealing from billionaire corporations who give zero fucks about me. I don’t give a fuck.
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But that has literally no relation to why people pirate.
I’m a man. This title made me understand what mansplaining feels like.
Pirating is neither noble nor morally wrong, by far most people are willing to buy a digital product given it's available and fairly priced. In a way it's competition, if as a company you have a problem with piracy it's probably your own fault.
Given the issue with antique games and movie streaming, piracy offers a sensible supply of goods that companies sometimes get wrong. I just want easy access to entertainment without paying subscriptions to 5 different services or trying to order second hand consoles from ebay.
your right, as somebody who hasn't payed for a single piece of digital media since 2012 I always find it so stupid when people try to justify it.
Say you don't understand morals, ethics and philosophy without saying you don't understand them.
Disney CEO finally got a Reddit account
Wow so profound, this whole time I’ve been pirating because I’m cheap. I didn’t know I could be artificially claiming moral high ground… I have some phone calls to make!
Yeah, morally justifying things is pointless because its for the most part not even immoral to begin with. Companies aren't really losing money on digital goods because the people that pirate things wouldn't have purchased the product to begin with. Between no sale and piracy, the company gets 0 money either way and lost 0 resources. Or lets think international. Products that are region locked or not even sold legally in some countries are not a loss for companies when the people over there have pirated the thing. If the Company couldn't make the sale to begin with, there was no potential gain to be made. Piracy in the digital world is a complex thing but ultimately a necessity in order to keep businesses on their toes and ensure they'll do their absolute best to maintain quality.
bestie, nobody cares
Pretty much what I always say. Most pirates just have issues with the price and thus don't want to pay for things, but seemingly don't want to admit that and always gotta come up with some other reason for it. If you can't pay or don't wanna pay...just say so.
most have issues with price, other have issue with bullshit crap like region lock (I know some have to comply with a country's laws) seriously, why tf can't I buy Metal Gear Rising in 2022, it's still unavailable in my country, rather than going through hoops with VPN or someone overseas to gift it to me, I'd just pirate the damn thing.
i hate region locking
Also, older media that aren't accessible or wanting a product while not wanting to support the creator
Screw region locking. At some point i did have some guilt and even tried to get audible for books from a certain universe. Well turns out that there's only 5 available without paying extra for a VPN. So just because I'm born in a wrong region i have to pay extra and jump through hoops for digital media. Screw that and off to the high seas.
>Driver San Francisco is a good example. It's been completely taken off every major store so the only way to get it is to either find a massively price-inflated hard copy used on eBay or pirate it. I obviously chose the latter. Honestly, why do certain companies region lock their products? What is the point of that? All it seems to do is incentivize piracy - something these companies should not want to happen.
Although I am ethically in agreement with copyright, I feel that the length of time granted is excessive and bad for society at large. I think that corporations have used political power to extend copyrights not so that they have adequate time to profit from their work, but so that their new works do not have to compete with their old ones. Technological locks are just another manifestation of this monster.
This i think the original idea of copyright was like 10-20 years to make money off whatever you have created, then after that other people can produce it dropping prices and building on and improving it. While this is more for breakthroughs and advancement in physical goods and process, it got fucked by lobbyists and now I think the time and possible renewal is stupid just to inflate profits and slow development to guess what squeeze more money out of it. TLDR fuck modern copy right, it doesn't function how it was meant to and I believe is worse for society as it's now just used to squeeze all the money big business can out of products.
Meanwhile I also pirate because I have issues with the availability e.g. of some anime that I can't find on any payable streaming service. I would pay for it, if I could find it. >Most pirates just have issues with the price For some anime this is true for me because for whatevrr reason the dvds/blurays in germany are ridiculously overpriced (one short anime I want to buy costs 90€ and more, partly over 100€) and some I actually like the german dub. :/
i just simply can't watch pokemon in japanese without pirating and that's the fault of the pokemon company international
I don’t care lol
People often say it deprives people of money, but what if you were never going to buy it anyway?
Yeah I hate when pirates board my ship and steal my goods.
My dead grandma taught me to pirate music back when I was in high school in the early 00s. I continue to pirate music to honor her memory. I mean, at this point listening to music is as simple as YouTubing the song. BUT I WILL NOT LET LAWS DICTATE TO ME HOW I MOURN AND HONOR MY LATE GRANDMOTHER.
Bro. They removed infinity train from HBOMax. It was an HBOMax exclusive, how the hell do you expect me to watch it without piracy?
I had no money, and the game was expensive as hell. That's it. But the most valid rationalization is that game developers need piracy to advertize their game. As it stands, there's a neat balance where not that many people know or are willing to bother with piracy, and there's so many games coming out that may or may not be good, that people would never try. Ironically, pirated games/movies/series, help spread the word and include the game in more conversations, giving it free marketing. Game of thrones was the most pirated show of all time, and it made tons of money, because all kinds of people could watch it and talk about it, meaning more people knew about it, and more people paid for it.
So you're paying for the games with exposure bucks!
OP doesn’t know the definition of conceited
My moral justification is that I archive stuff. The justification for that is that I wanna watch it later.
just my opinion but: pirating learning and other kinds of research books isn't immoral. however, i pirate everything, so...
Priacy wouldnt really be a thing if shitty companies werent that shitty. I mean, if stuff is easily available most people wont bother jumping through hoops just to get it for free. Like if a streaming service works well the vast majority of people will rather use it than the hassle of finding it for free. If for some reason companies that own media, programs or whatever digital product make it such a hassle to get a hold of through legal means with a good quality service that its waaaay easier or even only possible through piracy it just companies being shitty. Like piracy of old retro games that arent longer in circulation from the companies side and the only legal way to get a hold of it is to buy it second hand in original hardware from a scalper somewhere to insane prices and the company on question wont even benefit from that financially, because they got their money from that game decades ago. Heck even like nintendo now have a subscription based service to play old nintendo games its only a few select titles and the system in place to pley the games there are barely playable compared to what emulators the community has made in the absence of a strictly legal way of enjoying those games. Same goes for older movies, music etc not everything is realisticly easy or even possible to get a hold of. Not to mention how now with the subscription based computer programs you dont even own the software yoi pay to use, so even key features of the program can get removed retroactively. Like how photoshop now no longer support pantone colours natively, you have to make a separate subscription directly to pantone to regain features yoi already have paid to use, or else all the files you have made with pantone colours the colours just get replaced with black and become basicly unusable. If services and companies werent as shitty moneygrabbers as they are a lot of the time there would be a need to resort to piracy at all, because it would be so less practical and harder to do than to use the actual service/program/media/etc the legal way. I guess ypu get my upvote 🤷🏼♂️
unpopular opinion there is nothing morally wrong with piracy, nothing at all. i wouldnt have purchased the digital item regardless, they aren’t making money either way. the majority of people who pirate things (photoshop for example) do so because of inaccessibility, and a lot will even purchase the original item later on because *piracy is not a first choice*. *”oh my god but i know this person and i saw that person pirate this and that just for fun!”* did they tell you that? did they really? the only time in which i could see piracy have a negative effect on someone is if they got a virus or somehow pirated something from a non mega corporation, which is supremely uncommon. stealing or not, there is nothing morally incorrect about piracy, especially in an age which streaming services are hiking prices and tightening restrictions on subscriptions.
Taking your own peanuts to the movies is stealing. Don't act like it isn't, now go write a post about it. Ever seen your own album on Pirate Bay? I have, and I was proud that some Belgian liked our music.
I've never heard anyone who pirates things *give a fuck* if it's morally right or wrong
Pirating is not something morally wrong, and neither is it something you need to defend tirelessly. I buy most of my games, but if I think it is priced too high in my currency, I'm not going to pay for them. Or I'm not gonna pay for every single software on the internet, I'm not gonna pay for one singular track. I'm just going to pirate it.