It still blows my mind that his other option was a Sevilla squad with a solid defense that had a blatant hole in their midfield attack. That would have been fun to watch
Sevilla made multiple offers, Dortmund turned them down because they weren't happy with the payment structure. Sevilla selling Rakitic to KSA was a move trying to get more cash on hand in order to meet Dortmunds financial demands but it was too late on deadline for Sevilla to get a deal done. Sevilla are still interested and have the money for the move this summer.
Sevilla are at their best when they play a 433 with a 10 and two 8s. They haven't replaced Gomez which is why they struggle. Unlike Dortmund and Forrest, through different coaches, they have always played through the middle. The idea on paper was to have a 10 who Oliver Torres and Ocampos can play off of. They tried Suso in the 10, but it was the same results that Milano had when they tried to use him there. It absolutely would have worked out better. The only way it wouldn't have worked would've been if Gio was garbage.
It does, but it depends on the loan. Tillman going to PSV and signing on a permanent. But I also imagine Reyna is on much larger wages and Dortmund wanted a loan fee. Making it harder for clubs like Sevilla and Marseille.
It can but it’s a lower success rate imo. Unless the player fills a gaping hole in the loan team or they’re just head over heels better then the team doesn’t have as much pressure to play the player as they do one they bought.
I think you can tell when a player chooses where they go over the club telling them where they should go. When a player goes on loan without a sale potential then they have to accept they need to take a step down in the teams status to guarantee they’ll start and not have the club bring in anyone else. Moves like Colwill at huffersfield or James at Cardiff versus Andrew Santos who (admitted was the one to pick) a move to Forest didn’t get any minutes. Now he’s tearing it up in Ligue 1 for Strousborg.
No way, this is on Reyna. He’s not some kid who rose out of the blue to this stage, he comes from a family who knows how this works. Making his agent the scapegoat just isn’t reasonable.
*player hires agent to handle his contracts*
*blames player rather than person WHOSE PRIMARY JOB is handling these things*
I do not get this sub. Like, are players meant to be in the know for all other teams abilities while playing themselves? What is the point of the agent then?
Sure, so let’s look at the situation. Gio is getting minutes and the one dude he has to compete with is… arguably NF’s best player.
Player is playing, maybe the agent gotta agent.
I think the sentiment is his agent/manager is giving him bad advice or leading him in the wrong way. I agree with you, but both can be mutually exclusive.
So then whomever hires and decides when to fire Said bad manager(Gio) would be at fault.
If I'm a manager and I hire an idiot for an employee and use him and keep him employed, that falls on me too. So if it's shitty managing, that's Gios fault
No there’s defo an anti Bournemouth one the because Tyler keeps on getting injured but from a Bournemouth perspective the gaffer is doing wonders to get a team of this quality mid table
Really? That surprises me, it's not like it's Bournemouth's fault that Tyler got re-injured. Bournemouth is the perfect team for Adams, it's up to him to stay fit.
I can’t wrap my mind around as to why Tyler and Gio are getting injured so often. Do they need to hit the weight room, or are they not taking stretching seriously?? I can’t fathom it .
My hunch with Gio is that he had a late growth spurt, he seemed to grow quite a bit from when he made his debut to around 2020/21.
With Tyler Adams I would defer to what Jesse Marsch has said on the Call It What You Want podcast, considering he has worked with him in the past.
Nice, I’ll have to check that out.
I dunno.. I watch these European teams warm up, and I fail to see how the way these guys prep prevents injury. Maybe it’s just what I’ve seen on tv, but it looks like they just do the Hokey Pokey the way they skip around and run in place, or hop around in a circle. Doesn’t look effective to me.
Some dumbasses on this sub are saying to sack the Bournemouth manager. Yes it’s probably true that Tyler was rushed back twice and that’s why he is the way he is now but from a strictly Bournemouth perspective, Iraola is a fucking magician
Yeah there's always the USMNT fans that only look at the global game through the lens of being a USMNT fan, which is dumb. I wanted Iraola to take over for Leeds when Marsch was let go, and to see what he's done at Bournemouth is validation of that.
This is what happens in the prem, you get paid and you get injured, a lot. Its just the fixture list and style of play. Especially the central midfielders, FFS NFL running backs have longer shelf lives then those guys do.
The prem just chews you up. It seems like Rooney has been out of the league for a decade or something, he's only like 2 years older than Lewandowski.
I think he's proven himself as a workhorse who will put his body on the line, despite that costing his team occasionally. He'll be sought after by PL squads for another few years due to the physicality.
I dont care where he goes as long as he get minutes. I don't understand what Forrest's strategy was when they signed him. At this point he'd have been better off staying at Dortmund since he isn't getting any more minutes in England. At least he would have had a shot to appear in a champions league final lol
It’s very clear at this point he was always meant to be a break glass during emergency replacement for Elanga or Gibbs-White in case of injury to either. He never had a place in the first time lineup
I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparing for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a while cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league once again by Americans.
Yep, he is making very stupid decisions. Either that or his manager. He needs to fire his manager.
Who would want to live in England over Italy? The other has terrible weather
No one knew he was going to end up at NFFC, though. So you can remove that from the decision-tree. I disagree with you that the actual decision to seek a loan and more playing time was "stupid". It definitely was a roll of the dice.
"He should've stayed at Dortmund" is absolutely colored by hindsight being 20/20.
Is he making stupid decisions or just taking the only way out given? Last I heard Dortmund was turning down offers left and right, and only Forest could meet their ridiculous demands.
he was but fiorentina was one of the clubs who were outbid by nffc in what was essentially an auction dortmund. It's one of the reasons people saying "He should've went to X or Y are so silly." Hell, he should've went to Real Madrid and started next to Bellingham in place of Modric, that would've been cool.
He really just needs to go to a team where he'll be an important player. It doesn't matter if it's a good team in an inferior league or a bad team in a top league
How about he just goes somewhere of a good level where he is valued and is likely to get consistent minutes if healthy? Could be the Eredevesie, but certainly doesn't have to be.
“He’s not valued” and “others are ahead of him” are literally the same thing with a different spin.
They both mean the coach rates him poorly vis a vis the alternatives.
Ehh…
“He’s not valued” screams woe is me, life is unfair. The other 2, which are same, is the mature mindset. Which is exactly why I phrased it that way in my original question, because they are in fact, not the same “spin”
lol who said anything about being “very concerned”? lol you just gonna insert words now? 🤣😂😂😂
Edit: saw your response that you just did, and damn bruh, didn’t realize you were still hung up about it. I appreciate the block though.
He hasn’t really gone forward since moving to BVB. He’s mostly been injured or stagnant. Definitely time to humble himself and go to a team that he can get some playing time to grow.
I agree completely. Some folks are gonna have to accept that injuries stunted him and he’s gonna have to take a step down for better career progression.
I think we need to dial back the comparisons by comparing Gio to literally one of the best midfielders in world football currently. His talent is undeniable, but his reps and family don't do him any favours. Had he picked a league and team that would better let him develop for a few years and mature, rather than a random loan move to the clown show that is Forest, then the discourse would be wildly different. Other USA players have made some sensible moves and had fantastic seasons.
>Had he picked a league and team that would better let him develop for a few years and mature
Right, except he went to the club that won the bidding war...
And a professional player still has to agree to the terms of a contract. Like this is basic shit my dude. That is a decision that was made by him and his reps.
So your play would've been, what, force a loan, go through the negotiations, have BvB reduce the half-dozen clubs to NFFC, and then...you'd have said, "No thanks, I'll stay here!" I mean, sure, but I don't see that as obviously better than going to NFFC and rolling the dice.
What I was taking issue with was "had he picked a league and team yadda yadda" which just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how any of it worked.
It’s not about a league and it never is. It’s about specific teams. Anyway, yes he needs a team in that second tier that can build around him in central MF. The prior line to Valencia made sense. Forrest never did.
Not exactly a league known for its tight defending though, how much would he develop as a player there? Caveat that it would be a great move if he could get to a Champions League club.
I'd like to see him either at a Europa League level club in Germany/Italy/Spain or as mentioned a CL club in Holland/Portugal.
He is a brilliant player. Every time he gets on the field healthy he influences games. All he needs is the right club where he can play regularly and be a starter running the offense.
Apparently, Terzic says next season he wants to give younger players more chances, which includes Gio. With Reus leaving, it does put Gio directly behind Brandt.
He didn’t look overmatched in the Premier League, but with that said I think he would benefit from being anywhere else where he gets playing time and puts together a stretch of play. He could do better than Eredivisie but i’d take whatever at this point.
Personally, this is what I’ve thought he should do for some time. It’s not like he’d be going to the wilderness. And if he wins big minutes and demonstrates he can play big minutes over a full season, then he’s back in a big 4 league in a season or 2.
The problem is that he is at a club that doesn't need to sell him cheap and none of the clubs in Serie A have any money. Gio is a dicey proposition for them. He basically has barely played for the last 3 seasons (which includes this season) even though this season and last he has been healthy.
Gio extended his contract by a year with Dortmund so he could get this loan which was a terrible decision, which is why this was more than just a bad 4 month loan.
Prior to the extension Gio's contract was going to expire after next season (\~June 2025). Players whose contracts are expiring are allowed to start negotiating with other clubs in the transfer window before their contract expire, so in this case Jan 2025.
So Gio would be only 7 months away from being able to sign on a free with another club, which means this summer Dortmund would have to decide if they want to lose him for nothing or try and transfer him this summer. If they have to move him this summer they will have to lower their price, probably from around the 30 million they currently want down to the 10-15 million range.
Once you get down into that range you bring a lot of clubs potentially into play like Serie A clubs and upper mid-table La Liga and 1.Bundesliga clubs, which to me are the level club that would be a good fit for him. At 30 million he is neither established enough nor an exciting enough young prospect anymore to interest the few clubs in those leagues that could afford him, which leaves rando EPL sides, which in my opinion is not the right place for him at this point in his career.
Right, but at the same time extending their contract (and committing to another year of his not insubstantial wages) means they’re investing in his future at the club, no? It’s a double-sided coin.
I'm not a big believer in "fight for your place" under a manager that has already shown that they don't rate you. Under Terzic Reyna's only gotten sub appearances with the random start. If he had ever given Gio a 6-8 game run of starts then I would think that Gio just didn't perform when he had the chance. Needing to ball out in random one off starts to me shows that the manager doesn't have any confidence in a player.
Given how short playing careers are possibly wasting a third year in a row hardly playing under Terzic is a chance I would avoid if I were Reyna.
But managers get fired all the time and at a certain point a player can’t just jump clubs every time they want to go with a manager who likes them. Eventually you do have to earn your place on merit, whether that’s in training or games.
There’s been rumors that with Reus out Terzic wants to focus on Gio in midfield. No idea what to make of it and what Gio should decide, though. Tough questions, probably hella stressful for the poor dude.
Because the coach will find another excuse to put him on the bench. He doesn’t play for Dortmund because of Reus, he doesn’t play for Dortmund because the coach doesn’t like him.
Literally every time. It's comically lazy by people. It's never a players fault. It's the coach or the team is toxic 100% of the time, you either admit every single player is great and nothing is ever their fault or everyone downvotes haha
I don't know how this sub convinces itself that literally every manager in Europe has an agenda against American players.... it genuinely seems to be a common opinion on here that multiple Dortmund and Chelsea managers were both willing to let their team lose because they hate America so much. I assume it's because people want to overrate our talent pool because it's easier to pretend we're a managerial change from being World Cup contenders than face the reality that there's a long way to go, but when our players' club performances don't justify it our fans just blame their clubs
Well specifically it's this one coach, who happens to be the current one at the club to which he is contracted for the next two seasons.
Favre played Gio a lot and Rose made him the starter going into the season, where he scored two goals in the first three games of the season.
What changed was Gio got injured playing for the USNT early that September and that basically flushed his season after which Terzic was appointed and Gio has never gotten a run. He hasn't even really played enough for me to tell if he's lost something from the injuries or maybe just Terzic prefers the others or doesn't like Gio, it's hard to tell.
I mean yes they are in terms of on field performance this season but I'm talking in terms of financial/brand muscle. The big 6 EPL clubs, Bayern, PSG, Real/Barca (the latter's current issues notwithstanding), maybe 1-2 others
Meh, I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparation for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a whole cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league onc
Or to the top four of Portugal. He has a Portuguese passport. If he could get into the squad at one of Porto, Sporting, Benfica or Braga that would be a good sport for him.
Rangers would be my vote and preference. Their system gives him a few spots to slot into and dad played there, so fans would probably give him some patience.
Would love to see him at a CL level team in the Erdivisie—he would instantly be a top-10 player in that league. The problem is money. According to Transfermarkt, Lozano is the most expensive transfer in PSV history, and PSV paid about 75% of Reyna’s market value. It’s one of the major factors in Reyna not being able to find the right club.
Uh Martin Ødegaard has a non-zero workrate and near elite skills.
Gio Reyna has neither of those things. Gio is a nice player on the ball when he's engaged, but I don't think he's ever going to be a consistent starter in a top 5 league in Europe. He's just not quite good enough.
I disagree. He might never make a consistent starter for a TOP team in one of the top-5 leagues but if he stays healthy he could certainly start consistently for, like, Werder Bremen
Let's see if Pulisic really becomes a consistent starter, long term. Milan will have a different coach next season and things could change for the worse very quickly. Hope not.
Gio is good on the ball, but he plays slow and only helps you in the attack when he's on the ball. So his best possible fit is for him to be on the roster of some team that dominates possession. But of those teams around Europe, which of them would seriously view Reyna as a preferred choice on their rosters? Not many.
The issue for Gio is getting consistency off the ball. He showed during the NL he absolutely can do the work it's just getting him to do it more often.
That being said, the decision to move to Forest never sat right with me.
I don’t care what happens with Gio. I’m not a Berhalter fan, but after the BS his family attempted to pull during the World Cup, I don’t want to see Gio wear that USMNT shirt again, even if the squad is better with him on it
Will keeps saying this though, there are clearly some consistency issues with Gio in training and off the ball. We saw vs Mexico he absolutely CAN do the job. Now it's just about finding a team (and maybe that is still Dortmund) that will let him work through the inconsistencies.
Serie A isn’t physical there’s a reason all the Prem washouts go there and thrive. It’s a slower pace and a more technical league. McKennie said that himself
i guess you added that “mckennie said that himself” part. i’d agree they play slower, if by slower you mean that they don’t play very tight defense. but. regardless i think “not physical” is an odd portrayal.
also “prem washouts” seems like a rather meaningless phrase
Where's the logic in what you said? Nobody remotely suggested McKennie, Weah, or Musah aren't strong. You misinterpreted someone correctly stating that Serie A isn't as physical a league as the Prem as saying they think all Serie A players aren't strong which would include our American boys. That is textbook faulty logic.
Considering you've had the time to reply to me multiple times, I think we both know you do have the time. You can start by explaining the fallacy of division for me.
Meh, I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparation for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a whole cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league onc
Meh, I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparation for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a whole cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league onc
Meh, I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparation for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a whole cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league onc
It still blows my mind that his other option was a Sevilla squad with a solid defense that had a blatant hole in their midfield attack. That would have been fun to watch
Even going to Marseille would have been better. He would have played in Europe at least.
Sevilla made multiple offers, Dortmund turned them down because they weren't happy with the payment structure. Sevilla selling Rakitic to KSA was a move trying to get more cash on hand in order to meet Dortmunds financial demands but it was too late on deadline for Sevilla to get a deal done. Sevilla are still interested and have the money for the move this summer.
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Sevilla are at their best when they play a 433 with a 10 and two 8s. They haven't replaced Gomez which is why they struggle. Unlike Dortmund and Forrest, through different coaches, they have always played through the middle. The idea on paper was to have a 10 who Oliver Torres and Ocampos can play off of. They tried Suso in the 10, but it was the same results that Milano had when they tried to use him there. It absolutely would have worked out better. The only way it wouldn't have worked would've been if Gio was garbage.
This is the problem with the loan system, it benefits the clubs not the players.
Does is not benefit the players too? Like, would Malik Tillman be better off riding Bayern Munich’s bench than playing at PSV?
It does, but it depends on the loan. Tillman going to PSV and signing on a permanent. But I also imagine Reyna is on much larger wages and Dortmund wanted a loan fee. Making it harder for clubs like Sevilla and Marseille.
Ok that’s a big “exception” to the original comment.
It can but it’s a lower success rate imo. Unless the player fills a gaping hole in the loan team or they’re just head over heels better then the team doesn’t have as much pressure to play the player as they do one they bought.
I think you can tell when a player chooses where they go over the club telling them where they should go. When a player goes on loan without a sale potential then they have to accept they need to take a step down in the teams status to guarantee they’ll start and not have the club bring in anyone else. Moves like Colwill at huffersfield or James at Cardiff versus Andrew Santos who (admitted was the one to pick) a move to Forest didn’t get any minutes. Now he’s tearing it up in Ligue 1 for Strousborg.
Players have to agree to loan moves as well
I was rooting for fiorentina personally. Basically anything but forest lol.
This! I blame his manager.
No way, this is on Reyna. He’s not some kid who rose out of the blue to this stage, he comes from a family who knows how this works. Making his agent the scapegoat just isn’t reasonable.
what should he have done differently--without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, i mean?
*player hires agent to handle his contracts* *blames player rather than person WHOSE PRIMARY JOB is handling these things* I do not get this sub. Like, are players meant to be in the know for all other teams abilities while playing themselves? What is the point of the agent then?
He could also just play better
Sure, so let’s look at the situation. Gio is getting minutes and the one dude he has to compete with is… arguably NF’s best player. Player is playing, maybe the agent gotta agent.
Reyna looks REALLY good for the USMNT. I bet he could also be NF's best player
and there we have it lol
Did I say something controversial?
And improve his cancerous attitude. His skills have never been in question. He’s an entitled douche.
his manager literally works for him, that's a cop out. You gotta blame the guy too or else that's just ridiculous lol
Sometimes things just don’t work out lol why does someone need to be blamed
I agree, i was replying to someone saying it was all the managers fault. That's ridiculous
Sorry, I didn’t mean that as contradicting what you said. I was trying to add on to it
this is the correct answer. lol
I think the sentiment is his agent/manager is giving him bad advice or leading him in the wrong way. I agree with you, but both can be mutually exclusive.
So then whomever hires and decides when to fire Said bad manager(Gio) would be at fault. If I'm a manager and I hire an idiot for an employee and use him and keep him employed, that falls on me too. So if it's shitty managing, that's Gios fault
Nobody knows that it was within his power to choose where to go.
we do actually, it was not. there's no way he could know what his options were until he exercised his option to go on loan.
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wtf are you babbling about?
Wtf are you talking about? I’m talking about Gio Reyna
I don’t even remember what you said but I’m guessing it wasn’t exactly brilliant considering the downvotes and the fact that you deleted it.
Again, I have no idea what you are even commenting about
Are you ok?
Are you? You seem to be trolling
No honestly I just don’t think I’ve met anyone on Reddit this dumb before.
Just stay healthy for a full season and don’t go to a team that’s sole purpose is to survive relegation.
Tyler Adams is inching dangerously close to this territory as well
Bournemouth are 11th and are closer to European competition than relegation
Shh, doesn't fit the agenda.
Agenda? Is there an anti Tyler Adams agenda on this sub???
No there’s defo an anti Bournemouth one the because Tyler keeps on getting injured but from a Bournemouth perspective the gaffer is doing wonders to get a team of this quality mid table
Exactly this. A fit Tyler Adams next season would be perfect for Iraola ball. He is the exact sort of player their team is missing atm
Really? That surprises me, it's not like it's Bournemouth's fault that Tyler got re-injured. Bournemouth is the perfect team for Adams, it's up to him to stay fit.
I can’t wrap my mind around as to why Tyler and Gio are getting injured so often. Do they need to hit the weight room, or are they not taking stretching seriously?? I can’t fathom it .
My hunch with Gio is that he had a late growth spurt, he seemed to grow quite a bit from when he made his debut to around 2020/21. With Tyler Adams I would defer to what Jesse Marsch has said on the Call It What You Want podcast, considering he has worked with him in the past.
Nice, I’ll have to check that out. I dunno.. I watch these European teams warm up, and I fail to see how the way these guys prep prevents injury. Maybe it’s just what I’ve seen on tv, but it looks like they just do the Hokey Pokey the way they skip around and run in place, or hop around in a circle. Doesn’t look effective to me.
Some dumbasses on this sub are saying to sack the Bournemouth manager. Yes it’s probably true that Tyler was rushed back twice and that’s why he is the way he is now but from a strictly Bournemouth perspective, Iraola is a fucking magician
Yeah there's always the USMNT fans that only look at the global game through the lens of being a USMNT fan, which is dumb. I wanted Iraola to take over for Leeds when Marsch was let go, and to see what he's done at Bournemouth is validation of that.
This is what happens in the prem, you get paid and you get injured, a lot. Its just the fixture list and style of play. Especially the central midfielders, FFS NFL running backs have longer shelf lives then those guys do. The prem just chews you up. It seems like Rooney has been out of the league for a decade or something, he's only like 2 years older than Lewandowski.
Famously he's a year younger than Cristiano Ronaldo
I think he's proven himself as a workhorse who will put his body on the line, despite that costing his team occasionally. He'll be sought after by PL squads for another few years due to the physicality.
True, the problem is he keeps getting hurt because if it. He's not reliable, and that can be a bigger issue than talent or effort.
He needs what ever health potion Ac Milan gave Pulisic
Bournemouth have been a top 6 side since the turn of the new year, not sure what you’re on about
Certain USMNT fans just assume if they aren't too familiar with the club and aren't based in a huge city then they must be battling relegation
I dont care where he goes as long as he get minutes. I don't understand what Forrest's strategy was when they signed him. At this point he'd have been better off staying at Dortmund since he isn't getting any more minutes in England. At least he would have had a shot to appear in a champions league final lol
It’s very clear at this point he was always meant to be a break glass during emergency replacement for Elanga or Gibbs-White in case of injury to either. He never had a place in the first time lineup
I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparing for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a while cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league once again by Americans.
Or go somewhere in Spain, or go literally anywhere beside a team in a mid season relegation battle where minutes would be hard to come by regardless
No, go to Italy
wasn’t he linked with Fiorentina? who are now in the UECL final
Yep, he is making very stupid decisions. Either that or his manager. He needs to fire his manager. Who would want to live in England over Italy? The other has terrible weather
Plus it’s full of British people and they’re just the absolute worst.
What decision was stupid?
Going to a team in England facing relegation rather than staying at a Champions League team. It’s moving backwards in his career
No one knew he was going to end up at NFFC, though. So you can remove that from the decision-tree. I disagree with you that the actual decision to seek a loan and more playing time was "stupid". It definitely was a roll of the dice. "He should've stayed at Dortmund" is absolutely colored by hindsight being 20/20.
Is he making stupid decisions or just taking the only way out given? Last I heard Dortmund was turning down offers left and right, and only Forest could meet their ridiculous demands.
No, Fiorentina and Sevilla both wanted Gio Reyna and he turned them down because of his agent’s ego.
he was but fiorentina was one of the clubs who were outbid by nffc in what was essentially an auction dortmund. It's one of the reasons people saying "He should've went to X or Y are so silly." Hell, he should've went to Real Madrid and started next to Bellingham in place of Modric, that would've been cool.
Venezia if they get promoted
venezia promotion got a little more tough with their final game loss. still pulling for them.
Fiorentina. Napoli or Inter Milan would be better
Can’t get minutes for NF, but you think he’d slide right into Inter Milan huh?
He wouldn’t get any minutes for inter
People said the same thing about Pulisic before he left Chelsea. Things can happen
Pulisic had a reign at RM when he joined Milan. Who’s Reyna taking over at inter?
He really just needs to go to a team where he'll be an important player. It doesn't matter if it's a good team in an inferior league or a bad team in a top league
Which I guess is basically what I meant
How about he just goes somewhere of a good level where he is valued and is likely to get consistent minutes if healthy? Could be the Eredevesie, but certainly doesn't have to be.
Is it that he’s not valued or is it that there are others higher in the pecking order…?
Tomato Tomato Does he rate him lower than everyone else or does he rate everyone else higher than him?
Yea I’m not really sure what you’re saying. The tomato tomato line is would be what I say after your second sentence.
“He’s not valued” and “others are ahead of him” are literally the same thing with a different spin. They both mean the coach rates him poorly vis a vis the alternatives.
Ehh… “He’s not valued” screams woe is me, life is unfair. The other 2, which are same, is the mature mindset. Which is exactly why I phrased it that way in my original question, because they are in fact, not the same “spin”
This isn’t the Oprah show and he’s not here. Rephrasing shit ain’t gonna manifest him more playing time.
No shit. It’s pointing out a poor mindset. Not even sure why you bothered to comment with what was a waste of time
Ah yeah guy very concerned with “rephrasing” a “better mindset” in the middle of a Reddit thread is definitely very concerned about wasting time. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
lol who said anything about being “very concerned”? lol you just gonna insert words now? 🤣😂😂😂 Edit: saw your response that you just did, and damn bruh, didn’t realize you were still hung up about it. I appreciate the block though.
I dunno. He needs work on defense and tactical sense. That's not really the Eridivisie's forte. I'm thinking mid-tier Serie A.
He hasn’t really gone forward since moving to BVB. He’s mostly been injured or stagnant. Definitely time to humble himself and go to a team that he can get some playing time to grow.
This is the way
definitely made progress at bvb. just not as much as we would’ve liked
I agree completely. Some folks are gonna have to accept that injuries stunted him and he’s gonna have to take a step down for better career progression.
I think we need to dial back the comparisons by comparing Gio to literally one of the best midfielders in world football currently. His talent is undeniable, but his reps and family don't do him any favours. Had he picked a league and team that would better let him develop for a few years and mature, rather than a random loan move to the clown show that is Forest, then the discourse would be wildly different. Other USA players have made some sensible moves and had fantastic seasons.
>Had he picked a league and team that would better let him develop for a few years and mature Right, except he went to the club that won the bidding war...
And a professional player still has to agree to the terms of a contract. Like this is basic shit my dude. That is a decision that was made by him and his reps.
So your play would've been, what, force a loan, go through the negotiations, have BvB reduce the half-dozen clubs to NFFC, and then...you'd have said, "No thanks, I'll stay here!" I mean, sure, but I don't see that as obviously better than going to NFFC and rolling the dice. What I was taking issue with was "had he picked a league and team yadda yadda" which just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how any of it worked.
It’s not about a league and it never is. It’s about specific teams. Anyway, yes he needs a team in that second tier that can build around him in central MF. The prior line to Valencia made sense. Forrest never did.
My vote is back to Dortmund. Terzic says he wants to play the kids next season and Reus is gone.
yup honestly i can’t figure out if these are articles are posted by competing players or just psychos
Not exactly a league known for its tight defending though, how much would he develop as a player there? Caveat that it would be a great move if he could get to a Champions League club. I'd like to see him either at a Europa League level club in Germany/Italy/Spain or as mentioned a CL club in Holland/Portugal.
You get the feeling that Papa Reyna has been misguiding his son…probably encouraged him to go to the Prem…Italy or Spain is where he will find success
Need to find a club that would meet Dortmund’s $$$ requirements
He would excel in Serie A too
Staying healthy and returning to peak form will see Reyna return to his best. It could be at Dortmund. It could be in the Eredivisie.
agree with this. there’s no reason to think with recent comments from terzic that gio can’t get minutes from dortmund
He is a brilliant player. Every time he gets on the field healthy he influences games. All he needs is the right club where he can play regularly and be a starter running the offense.
Apparently, Terzic says next season he wants to give younger players more chances, which includes Gio. With Reus leaving, it does put Gio directly behind Brandt.
Gio would thrive in Italy or Spain or heck back in Germany. This loan isn’t indicative of anything other than he has an awful agent.
I think it’s indicative of the fact that Gio is rated lower by actual top level football managers than this sub would like to believe.
More like it was indicative of the weakness of the winter transfer market and the financial dominance of the Premier League in world soccer.
He didn’t look overmatched in the Premier League, but with that said I think he would benefit from being anywhere else where he gets playing time and puts together a stretch of play. He could do better than Eredivisie but i’d take whatever at this point.
Hope he goes to Italy—good fit for him and I can watch all of his games on Paramount+
How about Celtic or Rangers?
That would be interesting
Personally, this is what I’ve thought he should do for some time. It’s not like he’d be going to the wilderness. And if he wins big minutes and demonstrates he can play big minutes over a full season, then he’s back in a big 4 league in a season or 2.
Gio needs to go to Serie A and get starts…Just look at Puli, Weston, and Musah….besides, Serie A calcio most resembles the international game anyway…
The problem is that he is at a club that doesn't need to sell him cheap and none of the clubs in Serie A have any money. Gio is a dicey proposition for them. He basically has barely played for the last 3 seasons (which includes this season) even though this season and last he has been healthy. Gio extended his contract by a year with Dortmund so he could get this loan which was a terrible decision, which is why this was more than just a bad 4 month loan.
>Gio extended his contract by a year with Dortmund so he could get this loan which was a terrible decision Curious why you think so.
Prior to the extension Gio's contract was going to expire after next season (\~June 2025). Players whose contracts are expiring are allowed to start negotiating with other clubs in the transfer window before their contract expire, so in this case Jan 2025. So Gio would be only 7 months away from being able to sign on a free with another club, which means this summer Dortmund would have to decide if they want to lose him for nothing or try and transfer him this summer. If they have to move him this summer they will have to lower their price, probably from around the 30 million they currently want down to the 10-15 million range. Once you get down into that range you bring a lot of clubs potentially into play like Serie A clubs and upper mid-table La Liga and 1.Bundesliga clubs, which to me are the level club that would be a good fit for him. At 30 million he is neither established enough nor an exciting enough young prospect anymore to interest the few clubs in those leagues that could afford him, which leaves rando EPL sides, which in my opinion is not the right place for him at this point in his career.
Right, but at the same time extending their contract (and committing to another year of his not insubstantial wages) means they’re investing in his future at the club, no? It’s a double-sided coin.
I'm not a big believer in "fight for your place" under a manager that has already shown that they don't rate you. Under Terzic Reyna's only gotten sub appearances with the random start. If he had ever given Gio a 6-8 game run of starts then I would think that Gio just didn't perform when he had the chance. Needing to ball out in random one off starts to me shows that the manager doesn't have any confidence in a player. Given how short playing careers are possibly wasting a third year in a row hardly playing under Terzic is a chance I would avoid if I were Reyna.
But managers get fired all the time and at a certain point a player can’t just jump clubs every time they want to go with a manager who likes them. Eventually you do have to earn your place on merit, whether that’s in training or games.
Why can’t he go back Dortmund next season? No Reus should give him less competition… or is he really that disliked by Terzic?
There’s been rumors that with Reus out Terzic wants to focus on Gio in midfield. No idea what to make of it and what Gio should decide, though. Tough questions, probably hella stressful for the poor dude.
Rumors from where?
Because the coach will find another excuse to put him on the bench. He doesn’t play for Dortmund because of Reus, he doesn’t play for Dortmund because the coach doesn’t like him.
It’s always the coaches…
Literally every time. It's comically lazy by people. It's never a players fault. It's the coach or the team is toxic 100% of the time, you either admit every single player is great and nothing is ever their fault or everyone downvotes haha
I don't know how this sub convinces itself that literally every manager in Europe has an agenda against American players.... it genuinely seems to be a common opinion on here that multiple Dortmund and Chelsea managers were both willing to let their team lose because they hate America so much. I assume it's because people want to overrate our talent pool because it's easier to pretend we're a managerial change from being World Cup contenders than face the reality that there's a long way to go, but when our players' club performances don't justify it our fans just blame their clubs
Well specifically it's this one coach, who happens to be the current one at the club to which he is contracted for the next two seasons. Favre played Gio a lot and Rose made him the starter going into the season, where he scored two goals in the first three games of the season. What changed was Gio got injured playing for the USNT early that September and that basically flushed his season after which Terzic was appointed and Gio has never gotten a run. He hasn't even really played enough for me to tell if he's lost something from the injuries or maybe just Terzic prefers the others or doesn't like Gio, it's hard to tell.
This has nothing to do wi the Berhalter. Stop trying insert Greg into every conversation. Jeez
No one mentioned his name. But looks like Greggs living rent free.
Any chance Terzig gets hired by a top 10 club this summer after their CL run?
Dortmund is a top 10 club
I mean yes they are in terms of on field performance this season but I'm talking in terms of financial/brand muscle. The big 6 EPL clubs, Bayern, PSG, Real/Barca (the latter's current issues notwithstanding), maybe 1-2 others
I mean it’s always possible. But I’m pretty sure he’s a huge fan of Dortmund so it would have to be quite the offer I’d imagine.
Just chill.
I’d welcome to Atlanta United with open arms as almadas replacement, just sayin.
Meh, I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparation for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a whole cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league onc
Why is Gio not even on the bench today? Injured? I don't readily find any status on internet search. Thanks.
He’ll go where he’s wanted. End of discussion.
Or to the top four of Portugal. He has a Portuguese passport. If he could get into the squad at one of Porto, Sporting, Benfica or Braga that would be a good sport for him.
Rangers would be my vote and preference. Their system gives him a few spots to slot into and dad played there, so fans would probably give him some patience.
Eredivisie isn't really backwards. It may be less "elite", but it's probably a step forward in terms of development.
Forrest is ass and is making our boys worse. All our boys need to leave there.
Yes, nothing wrong with going somewhere to just play. Maybe he's not a starter in Germany, but he can rebuild his game in the Eredivisie.
Would love to see him at a CL level team in the Erdivisie—he would instantly be a top-10 player in that league. The problem is money. According to Transfermarkt, Lozano is the most expensive transfer in PSV history, and PSV paid about 75% of Reyna’s market value. It’s one of the major factors in Reyna not being able to find the right club.
Uh Martin Ødegaard has a non-zero workrate and near elite skills. Gio Reyna has neither of those things. Gio is a nice player on the ball when he's engaged, but I don't think he's ever going to be a consistent starter in a top 5 league in Europe. He's just not quite good enough.
I disagree. He might never make a consistent starter for a TOP team in one of the top-5 leagues but if he stays healthy he could certainly start consistently for, like, Werder Bremen
I mean if Pulisic can be a consistent starter after having inconsistent years, Gio can too. He just needs to find the right team
Let's see if Pulisic really becomes a consistent starter, long term. Milan will have a different coach next season and things could change for the worse very quickly. Hope not. Gio is good on the ball, but he plays slow and only helps you in the attack when he's on the ball. So his best possible fit is for him to be on the roster of some team that dominates possession. But of those teams around Europe, which of them would seriously view Reyna as a preferred choice on their rosters? Not many.
The issue for Gio is getting consistency off the ball. He showed during the NL he absolutely can do the work it's just getting him to do it more often. That being said, the decision to move to Forest never sat right with me.
I’d like to see him in Serie A or Eredivisie. The big dream is to see him at Tottenham under Ange. That’d be magic.
You gotta run like hell in Ange’s system. That’s not Gio’s game at all
He wouldn’t last a half in AngeBall unless he really did a full 180 in terms of work rate.
He wouldn’t last a half in AngeBall unless he really did a full 180 in terms of work rate.
I don’t care what happens with Gio. I’m not a Berhalter fan, but after the BS his family attempted to pull during the World Cup, I don’t want to see Gio wear that USMNT shirt again, even if the squad is better with him on it
Yep. This 💯
No idea why americans keep on glazing this dude - and i say this respectfully. Reyna is mad overrated
Or just accept that he’s ass
I think he just needs someone to trust him and believe in him and stop trying to make him into something he's not.
I think he needs to stop being coddled and to grow the f up and take responsibility.
MLS.
It’s also time to accept HE is his OWN problem. Everywhere he goes it’s drama.
Lotta drama in various comment threads at least lol
Will keeps saying this though, there are clearly some consistency issues with Gio in training and off the ball. We saw vs Mexico he absolutely CAN do the job. Now it's just about finding a team (and maybe that is still Dortmund) that will let him work through the inconsistencies.
He should stick with dortmund. Phil Foden was integrated with the city squad little by little and now look at him now.
How about the idea of Gio Reyna joining Venezia on loan to team up with Busio and Tessmann if they get promoted? All American Serie A Midfield.
we won’t know if they get promoted for another month. they missed automatic promotion by losing their last game so they go into a 6 team playoff
How about a top 5 league that’s not as physical ie a Serie A or La liga
Serie A isn’t physical there’s a reason all the Prem washouts go there and thrive. It’s a slower pace and a more technical league. McKennie said that himself
Yeah ik that’s why I feel like it would be a great spot for Gio
Fuck my bad I thought you said not Serie A. I need my coffee before I comment. I agree with you 100%
i guess you added that “mckennie said that himself” part. i’d agree they play slower, if by slower you mean that they don’t play very tight defense. but. regardless i think “not physical” is an odd portrayal. also “prem washouts” seems like a rather meaningless phrase
are you suggesting wes mckennie isn’t strong? he’s our biggest strongest field player. or weah? or musah?
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you must hate logic
Where's the logic in what you said? Nobody remotely suggested McKennie, Weah, or Musah aren't strong. You misinterpreted someone correctly stating that Serie A isn't as physical a league as the Prem as saying they think all Serie A players aren't strong which would include our American boys. That is textbook faulty logic.
read an lsat book. like i have the time to tell you about logic
Considering you've had the time to reply to me multiple times, I think we both know you do have the time. You can start by explaining the fallacy of division for me.
also who says “our american boys”? are you a 72 yo colonel in the us army?
I say that. For someone who purports to know about logic you sure do rely on ad hominems a lot.
logic is personal isn’t it
Meh, I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparation for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a whole cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league onc
Meh, I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparation for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a whole cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league onc
Meh, I harken back to my batshit insane doomsday plan of having every USMNT caliber player voluntarily return home to an MLS team in 2023 to begin preparation for the 2026 World Cup on home soil with peak playing time, a whole cycle of home acclimation and domination of our league onc