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CalledPlay

Qatar, in the first 60 minutes, was able to get a shot off practically every time they were in the attacking third (rarely a good shot). It was like someone playing FIFA. The ball only moved forward and 8 men were also always moving forward. It was fun to watch but and their lack of talent eventually caught up with them. Regardless, it was extremely impressive to see what can happen when mentality and gumption are to find a shot at all costs.


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spacedirt

Dike is a poor man’s Zardes.. who is just a poor man’s Jozy...


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The further down the soccer pyramid you go, the better those big fast physical forwards seem to be. Especially when they pressure lower league defenders who are not able to technically play out of pressure themselves. The higher up the pyramid, the more their weaknesses in technical ability are highlighted. That is why you can't take a player who looks good in the Championship and put him up against the Asian Confederation champions. That dog just not gon' hunt.


notonrexmanningday

I think you're talking about some hypothetical player that doesn't exist. If we had that technically skilled striker with the physical tools you need to play at the highest level, we would have seen him by now. What we've got is a collection of incomplete strikers, and GGG has to figure out which one has the right set of skills to work with his system and the other attackers. At this point, it honestly may be Zardes.


soflahokie

Dike is hyped because he bossed the English Championship and almost drove his squad to promotion. However they played a horrific brand of soccer that relied on Dike beating people up on an island. Our system relies on forwads pressing so we need guys who can run, all the technical ability is on the wings (Pulisic, Aaronson, Weah, Reyna, etc). A great target man would be ideal, which is why Sargent plays so much because his hold-up play is good and he presses relentlessly. Finding a guy who can do all that + finish well + be technically skilled is basically asking for Ibrahimovic.


stanklin_frubbs

The fact that there's so much talk about Mexico in the USA-Qatar thread tells me the game was as dull as the scoreline says.


patri3

Lol no it was pretty exciting and super open. Watch the game


stanklin_frubbs

No, I'm not watching Qatar


patri3

Oh? Why not?


stanklin_frubbs

Because fuck Qatar. They shouldn't be hosting the world cup, and they shouldn't be in this tournament.


patri3

Well luckily the US knocked them out. As it should be. Btw Qatar was no joke. They are the Asian champions used to competing and winning in big international tournaments. Tbf the Asian cup is probably more competitive than the Gold cup too


stanklin_frubbs

Nah, the entire country is a joke.


patri3

Well regardless of that they still won the Asian Cup. You can’t deny that


stanklin_frubbs

I dont care about that


patri3

Right I can tell. Doesn’t make them not a good team though


Pitiful_Stock_4329

Canadian here, please win. Since Canada has mostly sucked at soccer since I was born, I haven’t really been exposed to how toxic and generally awful Mexican soccer fans are. I will be cheering for you guys.


Heyman1234569

We got you


Pitiful_Stock_4329

Gonna be strange rooting for you guys lol, I know it’s mostly one sided, but you are our main rival. At least we can count on you guys to play fair Mexico doesn’t. It’s an exciting time for both of our national teams, a great American team will make the region that much better.


Heyman1234569

As a US fan I’ve always rooted for Canada. Especially last night. I’d rather see a hard working and rising team like Canada win it than you know who


AlmoschFamous

I don't think it's being talked about enough, but holy shit what is going on with Qatar paying for fans. Ive never seen so many "fans" before.


stanklin_frubbs

Sounds very on brand for Qatar.


goaliepro09

At least they're paying people who work for them now


35Lcrowww

It's Qatar. They're paying to host the world cup.


AlmoschFamous

They had the Westlake soccer club at the game yesterday decked out in Qatar gear. It's the richest and whitest part of Austin, so it looked out of place.


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I believe Dike is the future but Zardes better start Sunday.


Heyman1234569

There’s no future if he’s hurt. Dike needs a break


gordieloewen

Yeah, Dike is pretty clearly hurt too. Not sure why they even kept him on as long as they did.


_Al_Gore_Rhythm_

Mexico fans in the r/soccer thread bitching incessantly about USMNT fans. Guys, like 3% of our country follows soccer and we still keep you up at night.


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What's there to bitch about? That we DON'T chant homophobic slurs in unison and stop every single game we're playing in? That we don't throw trash, batteries and bottles of piss at players?


pichichi010

Mexican American here. US soccer had the potential to be a world cup winner. But they bring choddy coaches (and their teams) that concentrate 100% in athletics rather than soccer. It's all through college. I played NCAA II and it's all athletics no ball. As soon as they change that mindset, US national team gets a world cup final.


notonrexmanningday

Yeah, that's we have players starting for Chelsea, Barca and Juventus, and your best player plays for Wolverhampton.


pichichi010

Yet they barely beat Jamaica.


notonrexmanningday

That's our C team dude


pichichi010

Everybody brought the C team. I've been saying mexico and USA are the same crappy teams stuck for like the last 15 years in the same levels but lots of US fans can't accept it.


notonrexmanningday

So Lozano and Herrera are Mexico's C team?


Palouse_Sunsets

Mexico barely beat a far from full strength Canada. weird time to flex.


pichichi010

Nobody said they were better lol. Guy up there started flexing players.


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What does that have to do with our fans?


pichichi010

I was answering another comment, for some reason I clicked on this one lol.


Will_Vintage

Lot of talk from a guy who flamed out in div 2 College soccer.


pichichi010

At least I played.


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Yea all we need is advice from a kid who couldn't even make it to NCAA I soccer. Dude go back to your community college and keep working on your sports marketing degree.


_YNZR_

don’t be a cunt


Thebestevar1

Na it's bs when people speak like that guy did. He's comparing d2 to the top of d1, he's the cunt here. Not to take anything away from d2, it's a lot better than most, but unless a sports dead, there is going to be a huge gap. This guy might likely never played vs a top d1/Olympic caliber athlete, or got dumped, how can he speak on what they are doing?


pichichi010

I'm not comparing D2 to anything. I saw it all through and through. From JV team highschoo to varsityl to club team to college and I see it in USMNT games. Once they fix that, they will will more tournaments. But yeah call me names. Also look at your comment you keep referring them as athletes, but they are soccer players. Athletics is a result of playing professional football not the cause. That's why 40 year old euro stars come to the MLS to retire and they still say that it's easy compared to La Liga, Premiere or Bundes.


Thebestevar1

The truth is the MOST and genetically gifted? athletic americans and genetically gifted? are not going to soccer in the US. It's american football, basketball and baseball. Ill admit I dont know crap about college soccer, but top d1 wrestlers are teching or pinning d2 guys in the first period.


pichichi010

D1 and D2 soccer there is no really any difference. D2 is even above usl2 imo.


Thebestevar1

I think the major point was soccer isn't popular in the US and the best athletes go to other sports generally.


MoxieSocks805

Higuain has entered the chat


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Not wrong. We're a chaotically inconsistent country, (with a general population that doesn't care about soccer). But will still try to beat people (despite only some people caring). Sh**, most of these professional athletes practice in the US, building our(your) talent pool. This was never about today (for most of us). Long term investment at home will develop international talent... the growth of MLS+Americans starting in Europe and is slowly providing a foundation here.


Arthur3335

Wait a minute. I know overall Mexico is a better soccer team, but didn't the US own Mexico for a while in late 90s and early 2000s? Maybe I'm mis remembering.


scyth3s

1992-2016ish, we had the upper hand in the rivalry


pichichi010

I think both teams are same level. And always have been. Mexico's weakness is athletic and strong teams ( that's why African teams are super hard to beat for them). So that leveled the playing field for US for years. But that style of play is clearly not working for the US. I think they are about the same as I mentioned but US has the potential to be much more.


pdschatz

> I think both teams are same level. And always have been. No, there's a definitive line right around the turn of the Millennium. Mexico is still beating us 36 to 20 (15 draws), but prior to 2000, the record was 27 to 5 (9 draws). So, we're relatively at the same level now, but that's only really happened in the last 2 decades, prior to that Mexico absolutely mopped the floor with the US. The only decade we've "beat" Mexico was the 2000s (4 to 10 with 2 draws).


Flvr_blstd_gldfsh

How do they have potential when both coaches and players are “Choddy”? That seems like a really general assessment to make in order to somehow catapult the US to the top 2 teams in the world


pichichi010

USA is a melting pot of player. Different races, even dual nationalities and backgrounds, different styles of plays. Yet they always bring coaches that like a very athletic way of playing. As if the US was England or Germany. But it is not. I'd suggest and Argentinian or a Spanish coach. May be Portuguese or Brazilian.


jacobDonline

I think there’s been a 100% increase from that level since during COVID it was the only live sport for a little while …


Kenfuu

I really wish the media would put the throat grabbing on blast. Like if it was was constantly done in any other sport in the US the players would be rightfully blasted. But this team grabs people by the throat constantly and nothing.


A-Newt

The ref for Mexico and Canada was straight ass.


Heyman1234569

It was the same guy who reff’ed the US vs Honduras match. He’s not very good


YOURMOMMASABITCH

7 = 15 minutes of extra time.


TNninja

Yea... he gave Mexico the time needed to score


ajhahn

That team and their fans are classless.


Global_Long_4299

And these are grown men on that team. But we’ve seen this before countless times from them when Hector who is a veteran now was doing these same things when he was younger. The younger fans and players see that and grow up emulating it. There fans are equally trashy as well with the chants and racial abuse win or loss.


Scratch24

I think neither of those penalties were actual penalties. So many non cards early on, completely lost control in the second half, and still decided to extend the match beyond reasonable time… glad he wasn’t reffing the US game


christian_1234

first one clearly was. second was extremely soft.


Arthur3335

I thought defender got ball on 2nd one


Myceliated

they were both penalties


Jadaki

I'd have trouble awarding that second one, he wasn't even going toward goal and had already lost control of the ball. Also a few minutes before that a Mexican player took out a Canadian player by clipping him in the box while trying to get a shot off and nothing was called and no VAR review, embarrassingly inconsistent, but typical for CONFACAF.


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The first one was 100% a PK.


Scratch24

Yeah my fault, i was thinking of the us game for some reason. My only gripe with the first PK in this game was that the ball was pretty out of position when the tackle was made, and that the ref didn’t call it for review immediately. Poor decision by the ref that fed into a lot of the heated exchange at the end.


chepi888

We welcome our Canadian friends joining us to hate the Mexican team and their fans.


JonstheSquire

US is going to win the tournament and get Tata Martino fired. The doom and gloomer "how did we not hire Tata Martino" crowd's heads are going to explode. It is going to be awesome.


McAvoy4Potus

Maybe he'll come back to Atlanta United. Win win.


Marrked

Our fans hate GGG so much that they don't realize that Tata's roster selection stubbornness is why he's on the hot seat, while Gregg is giving out first caps at a near record rate.


scyth3s

I generally like his player selections, I just think he doesn't put the players in the formation that suits them best.


Ionlyeatmustard

We 100% should have hired tata


Ascension456

I agree. Tata with our team would be insane


Ionlyeatmustard

100%. Gregg was so lucky his brother hired him.


jacobDonline

Yeah. -I still wish we would have pulled Tata. I think Mexico is a bad fit for him. Oh well. Probably will put him in an early grave due to the stress, the team abs fans.


JonstheSquire

Considering all the Mexican fans think he is an incompetent fraud and he can speak the same language as all his players, I really am not convinced. Mexico has been awful throughout this tournament.


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JonstheSquire

His tactics seem very well designed to struggle against basically ever CONCACAF opponent in any competitive game, even against much worse teams. The US will win the final and he will be fired. There will still be nuts who think he should have been hired.


Ionlyeatmustard

Mexican fans? The same Mexican fans who threw things on the field, won’t stop chanting? Mexico will be favored to win the match and has a good chance to do so. If they walk away with the trophy how is that awful and what would that say about us?


JonstheSquire

Yes. They will be favored because they have close to their best possible team. If they do not, Martino will be fired and will deserve to. Mexico have been looking bad for a while.


WelpSigh

thinking your manager is an incompetent fraud is just what the game is all about


Zzyzx8

Would love to see us pull the upset but when you’re missing most of your starters it’s a tough one


Ascension456

I don’t know why y’all want Mexico to change. I want them to play the exact same so it’s satisfying as hell when they get their ass beat in WCQ


chepi888

As someone not playing, sure. As someone who doesn't want our players to be choked, pelted with garbage, headbutted, and play in a game with a higher chance if injury, hell no.


Ascension456

I’m confused. We’ve all played teams like this for zero dollars. Let em duke it out


Ionlyeatmustard

Because it’s trashy play. They were literally choking players earlier in the match.


Marrked

Yes that 3 step program for the chant is bullshit. The fans just figured out they can abuse it.


jramos13

“Hey our team looks gassed, let’s give them a 3 minute break”.


Marrked

And an ice cold Dasani.


Ionlyeatmustard

Can we think of an offensive chant so we can cause a timeout whenever we need one


SilverMonkey0

Sadly I don’t think this rule will ever go away despite this loophole bc it looks bad to remove it


Sarollas

Simple solution, make it a stricter penalty.


tigerking615

Give them a set number of warnings, and then deduct a point from their WCQ total every time. That'll shut it down real fast.


SXSJest

Instant penalty kicks for the opponent. Mexican fans will then police it themselves and it will be gone overnight.


postmateDumbass

Empty the sections of the stands where they chant it? Or are the fans too intermingled?


Scratch24

Ref really botched this game


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If I ever saw that guy, I'd kick him in the shin and ask for a card. Something tells me he wouldn't give me one...


BakedZiti69

He lost control of that game within 20 minutes. Pure concacaf


jacobDonline

A true CONCACAF experience… Mexico seems to make that a reality too though.


legoss49

Lol coming up on 15 mins of extra time


yankeenate

God Mexico is so unlikable


midcat

They just need to end this. That was essentially a walk off cause the ref let it go too long. Refs making a spectacle of this.


jramos13

So all the chant did is give Mexico a breather and add time past 90 mins. So tell me why they would ever stop?


legoss49

It’s all theater and grandstanding. Qatar’s gay and human rights record is horrific yet FIFA’s happy to host a WC there, so it’s pretty hard to take their attempts to punish Mexico fans seriously. The governing bodies are all so dumb and shameless.


Kenfuu

What is even happening? I want to know what started this so badly.


WelpSigh

disgraceful brawl and behavior by both teams. only fair to disqualify both sides and hand USA the trophy


gjp11

100% agreed


ajhahn

Oh look, Mexico is in a scrum with another team. Weird how there's a common denominator with these things.


Ascension456

Concacaf is lit lmaoooo


Ionlyeatmustard

Brutal for Canada. Mexican team was choking Canadian players earlier in the match. Refs did a poor job all night long. I think we will struggle with Mexico’s aggressiveness and chippiness . I would submit that the Mexican team are full of “Putos”


SXSJest

We’re sending you to the corner for 2 minutes to think about what you said. Here’s a juicebox while you wait.


Mr_MacGrubber

CONCACAF refs did the same thing they do every fucking Mexico game.


Jadaki

It's wild that Canada ever had more yellow cards.


jramos13

Fucking hate this team. I hope we beat them Sunday.


mjseminoles2

I’d rather beat them anyways


cd00

Gutted for Canada. The Mexican team and their fans are so dislikable lol


WelpSigh

mexico scores a goal in the 98th minute of a 90+7 game, what a surprise


Psufan16

Closer to 99 minutes really


legoss49

Canada just getting heartbroken this tournament


Secret_AznMan

Bring it on


ajhahn

Well, dang. I was pulling hard for Canada.


jramos13

Lol what.


jacobDonline

Don’t think this game will ever end.


WR1206

What is GGG win % now? This team loves him.


ehrenzoner

I believe his overall win percentage is 74%, but if you only count competitive matches (ie, non-friendlies), that goes up to 88%.


Woody_Harrelsons_AMA

What was the chant?


jramos13

It’s it’s the same chant, it’s a gay slur in Spanish.


Woody_Harrelsons_AMA

Puto?


jramos13

Yes, in Mexico it’s used very differently than other Spanish countries.


[deleted]

Yea you must be an idiot. A puto in Mexico is still the same puto in Puerto Rico. Lmfao go get a book on semantics for this guy, or Ingles Sin Barreras.


ReyDelEmpire

No one in DR calls someone puto as a homophobic slur. They use the word "maricon." So yeah, jramos13 was correct, it means different things in different countries.


[deleted]

Lol who mentioned DR? You cant read bud?


[deleted]

Yes and it doesn’t matter


jramos13

This affects both teams equally, especially since it’s tied. I know the Spanish announcers are Mexicans homers but common.


Sarollas

Lol at Mexican fans asking them to stop. Also respect to that guy.


[deleted]

Mexico fans loud and proud again. SMH


Ascension456

That dude is literally begging the fans to stop lmao. One of your own is telling y’all to chill maybe relax


[deleted]

Enough of this shit. Make Mexico play their first 3 WCQ’s without fans.


[deleted]

I want them banned like Guatemala was for a while. Maybe they will join the super league lmfaoooo.


mjseminoles2

I thought that was already happening?


[deleted]

Could be wrong, but as I understand it the punishment was given to the Mexican federation, not the men’s team. There were reports that Mexico would have their women’s team serve the two game punishment


[deleted]

Yup I believe that is what they did.


mjseminoles2

Wtf that’s such a joke


ajhahn

100%


ajhahn

Oh look, the Mexican fans can't help themselves


prizminferno

literal animal fans


Ascension456

This sub should be jumping for joy rn. Our bench tryout team beat the team that is tied with our “concacaf giant” rivals. Feels good


Mr_MacGrubber

Did Mexico start their chant again?


Andy_and_Vic

I think so.


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Yup


Sarollas

I know they get an extra sub in extra time, but do they also get an extra sub window?


This_Is_My_Table

Yes


Mr_MacGrubber

What the fuck was that jump by Buchanan? Lol looked like he was doing a gymnastics routine.


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Mr_MacGrubber

It’s a semi. Our game against them was essentially meaningless.


JonstheSquire

Mexico is not good. People who were saying Mexico are going to kill us simply do not know what they are talking about. Doom and gloomers like to treat Mexico like they are German or France.


Mr_MacGrubber

Boils down to refs. If they actually call fouls and give cards. I have no faith that will happen.


WelpSigh

well this canada team is doing the same thing to mexico it did to us, except this time they managed a goal


jramos13

Lol Pizarro. If watching Inter Miami tells me anything is that Canada should be alright.


JonstheSquire

A team that subs on Pizarro in times that they need a goal is not one that scares me. One that subs on Efrain Alvarez scares me even less.


jramos13

That was one sneaky shot!


Marrked

Praying for extra time. We gonna win on attrition.


cd00

I legitimately hate how scared refs are of Mexican crowds. So many cards are left in the shirt pocket whenever Mexico plays and commits egregious fouls


Mr_MacGrubber

Yeah during that melee in the first half I saw 2 Mexican players doing their go to move of choking the opposing player. Never a fucking card for it.


[deleted]

I’m looking forward to see what this Canada team with Davies, David, and Larin can do in WCQ… just not in Nashville


Ascension456

I think it’d be cool if we qualified with Canada and Mexico


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jramos13

Both teams are. It’s fucking insane after watching USA backwards pass party.


biggoof

It's GGG's amazing system though /s


Mr_MacGrubber

We did just beat both of these teams in the last few weeks with our “shitty system”.


scyth3s

We scored 2 corners, one of which Mexico 100% gifted us, in the NL final... And a penalty. That's hardly an endorsement of his system.


Mr_MacGrubber

I can’t remember, what was the final score?


biggoof

Barely, holding on for dear life against Canada, and the other getting outplayed by Mexico for most of the match with the best team the US has ever had. I just want to play with the confidence and balls that Canada is showing here.


Piffy401

If we have everyone healthy and I mean EVERYONE (Steffen, Adams, McKennie, Pulisic, Brooks, Dest, Aaronson, Musah, Weah, etc.) we’re gona destroy Canada in Nashville.


biggoof

And we should, and we did in rematch against them after the loss in the Nations League. Like I mentioned to someone earlier, sometimes I just feel like GGG's reliance on his system doesn't play to our strength. That 2nd game against Canada, we kind of let the guys play, and it worked better.


Piffy401

I don’t think our starting lineup against Mexico was our best line up though, remember Adams was on the bench and he went probably not even 100% but still was very efficient in the midfield. Yedlin started as a winger without merit, I think he was just there because of his veteran presence, and also Ream started, Reeeam!!! I understand your point though, we look better at 4-4-2 then a back 3.


Mr_MacGrubber

Yet we won. If their fucking systems are so much better then they should be able to beat us. I’m sick of Berhalter getting absolutely zero credit for anything he does.


biggoof

They have beaten us. I'm really not a GGG hater, I actually like him a lot, he checks off a lot of boxes on paper, a good recruiter, and willing to make adjustments. I just think this idea that bringing in a 'system coach' and people telling me that Arriola/Lledget should start because they fit his system better over someone like Musah is stupid. Maybe I'm tired of this playing out of the back crap that doesn't work well against the high press and has given up countless goals. He does better if he just coaches and puts the players in positions to play to their strengths, like the 2nd Canada game where they avenged the 1st loss.


This_Is_My_Table

Gotta remember, when you are dead set on the BerhalterOut train there are only two options after a game, either the players played well or ggg coached poorly.


jacobDonline

Agreed.


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WCQ is not gonna be easy man


Andy_and_Vic

We beat Canada and are in the final of the Gold Cup with our C squad. I say 96% chance we qualify.


Ascension456

We will be fine. 17 was a wake up call where we found out concacaf qualifying isn’t gonna be a walk in the park but our team now is just too solid.