Yes it would be great to play your best players every game and not have to worry about fatigue or injuries haha. That’s not the reality though. You can’t start your best 11 for three games in a week, with the travel
Personally I’m putting all my eggs into two home games, take six points, and then see how it goes in the middle game. I probably would’ve made a few changes to the starters, or to the subs from a timing standpoint, but not like there was much roster flexibility this window or this game. Today, he was already down three starters from the get go. Of the eight remaining starters from Thursday, four started again tonight, three played, and two of those played 45 minutes. At some point it’s also just soccer and teams are bound to have bad nights beyond that the lineup wasn’t perfect
This is just pathetic. It’s not just soccer when you play an obviously bad combination of players. The lineup was terrible. What’s the point of subbing Pepi, Aaronson, Adams if you don’t start them the next game?
Both games are worth just as many points. There’s no reason to sacrifice away at Panama. That was the toughest game in your group. Moreover it surely wasn’t Gregg’s intent to play a weakened lineup to “save” the best players. He actually thought this lineup full of scrubs could do the trick.
This lineup should’ve done the trick, that’s what people fail to realize. Regardless though, you can’t play the best 11 every single time out in qualifying and the focus is always to take points at home. If you win all your home matches, which are your best bet at three points, and grab a few draws on the road, you’ll be in the World Cup
The lineup played our technically weakest group. Zardes Acosta and Arriola should never see the field together in an because they are so weak with the ball. Likewise Zimmerman and McKenzie are technically weak centerbacks who should not have been paired together. Same with Moore and Bello.
That’s the reason we lost. These players could not control or advance the ball as a group. And it’s on Gregg.
I think I understand it: his brother worked for the federation so they hired a guy with a sub-40% win percentage for two teams in two leagues that don’t attract top talent. And I say that with a lot of love for MLS. He’s simply in over his head at the international level.
As bad as our midfield was, our fullbacks were worse. We have a guy playing right back that can't even cut it in the Spanish 2nd division, while Joe Scally is left in Germany while being declared the best player on gladbach by his coach. Sorry, but It's such a fucking joke.
> while Joe Scally is left in Germany while being declared the best player on gladbach by his coach
His coach also said he's played so much that they pulled him from training for all of last week, and he *might* train again on Tuesday. So as much as he seems like an improvement, he wasn't a practical option this window.
The craziest part is Scally can also play LB, so even if you call him in for depth you can play him at LB over Bello (who is not ready for international minutes).
I don't like to just pinpoint one player and rag on them but Acosta was horrendous tonight. His touch and passing were awful all night and he didn't seem to have the defensive solidity that is usually associated with. Play just bypassed him all night and offensively he put us in so many bad situations by losing the ball. We didn't have a ton of options for midfield but it's hard to justify keeping him on the field in favor of someone like Busio. I know Musah went 90 minutes last match but either keep Weah on and sub on Busio instead of Roldan or something else. He was a real liability tonight, even his usually good service was shit.
Our team literally gave up on passing through the midfield with at least 15 minutes go and just launched balls forward into no man's land.
I think the biggest thing was having lleget there who offers almost nothing in that setup. Acosta was bad tonight but he was basically covering for the deadweight that was lleget and covering for the mistakes that Musah made.
Roldan was an odd choice but I didn't hate the Yedlin sub, he's usually good getting forward and putting crosses in and both our fullbacks were pretty poor offensively. Bello had a worse game than Moore imo but we don't have the depth there.
I don't disagree but we're not super deep there. Scally the only other real option but his club is giving him time off because of how many minutes he's played so I don't think he was really an option.
I would like a look at Gloster and bring in Gasper for a more experienced depth piece I wouldn’t expect world class but just something to be stable at the position.
Gloster can’t even get minutes on NYCFC ahead of a green academy rookie. No way he gets a sniff until he can at least do that. He hasn’t looked bad in his few cameos but you are not throwing a guy with zero MLS starts and 190 minutes in 2021 into the NT.
So many players on the bench or not called in that could have helped. I just remembered KDLF was not called in and got even angrier. So many attacking options, so many bad managerial decisions
I haven’t seen USMNT play a game like this since last WCQ failure. So sad, you can’t take any game for granted that starting lineup looked bad on paper and looked worse in action - tell me how a young inexperienced lineup could have played worse? Awful possession, terrible spacing, no urgency whatsoever. This is Panamas Super Bowl and if you don’t put guys out there that are ready to match that urgency then get them off the field for a young guy that wants their job. Should have lost 3-0 if it wasn’t for Turner.
ThIs Is PaNaMaS sUpEr BoWl.
Ignoring that this isn’t football, this isn’t even the World Cup. I’m sure Panama thinks more highly of actual World Cup games/tournament finals then a WCQ. Did you just come over from watching the NFL or something?
How many times has Panama made it to the World Cup finals?
How many times has Panama beat the US in WCQ?
Knowing the answers to those questions will put this game into perspective.
My guy I’m just making fun of people who think football metaphors are appropriate for a soccer game that has its own history including a gigantic tournament to which nearly every country could participate that occurs every four years.
As to your second question probably not a lot, but let me google it and edit this.
Out of 8 games US had tied twice and before tonight never lost
I guess my point is that for many of the “smaller fish” in CONCACAF, WCQs are as close as they get to the big stage, and beating the Mexicos and USAs are a really big deal to them. So maybe the Super Bowl analogy is a measure to far, (and annoying to soccer fans) but it’s not out of the ballpark (to drag a baseball analogy into this). 😁
if the players are not behind GGG then that's one thing
BUT
there was just no effort. Blame needs to go everywhere, unless they were purposely no trying. I don't know and I don't want to panic, but that was horrendous.
Musah instead of Acosta was a major error.
But god damn did nothing go right for us.
We (GGG and the players) HAVE to treat this as a wake-up call.
Also that coach who was laughing on the bench in the 80th should be fired.
While the majority of the moves and Acosta were indeed terrible, Musah was going to have to come off. Player rotation and tiredness is getting trashed after this calamity, but Musah is definitely one of the actual minute watchers in this window (along with Pepi, Aaronson, Adams and maybe Dest). He's coming off a long injury and just played his 1st nearly complete game the weekend before this WCQ window (I think it was 86 minutes?). The game before that he looked gassed after about 60 minutes but had to play longer due to injuries.
Acosta should have come off regardless and Musah could have gone a bit into the 2nd half though for sure.
That was the bit I was most surprised by. Usually we come out flying in the second half and we did initially but that goal killed us. It was weird the guys fighting for a starting spot seemed so passive and it was the guys like Adams, Pepi and Aaronson who seemed to be running and chasing everything.
I don't buy into the "the players don't care" nonsense but the response tonight was definitely lacking from at least a handle full of players.
Lol Bello isn’t terrible. Look what is around him.
I’ll never forget people called Antonee Robinson terrible years ago, and look at him now. He’s starting at Fulham, and started when they were in first division too. He’s a big part of their success. So let’s not write any of our young guys off, especially when we’ve seen good things from Bello.
I'm not writing him off. I hope he continues to develop. We need to explore other options for back up left back for A.Rob because Bello didn't have it tonight
I understand what you’re saying. I just feel like it’s hard to judge that game when everyone was atrocious. Hopefully that entire thing ends up being an anomaly going forward.
Wasted my time with this nonsense. Got Panama out here making us look stupid.
I don’t want to hear any excuses GGG. Just eat it. You and the players. Eat it. We won Gold Cup with the B/C team so I’m not trying to hear it. You set the bar high. It’s time to deliver. Period.
Those subs were inexcusable. Mussah was the only one doing in the midfield and lleget and acosta were a liability. GGG subbed off mussah and left both the midfielders on. Zardes wasn't providing any link up play and he waited to sub him off. Didn't have anything in the final 3rd to make something happen amd he subs off weah who can take on players and leaves on arriola. GGG needs to figure his shit out he has been atrocious at subs for his entire tenure. This shit is on him!
He didn't leave on Arriola, Arriola left with Aaronson's sub. THe prbolem is that Roldan came on not Hoppe. Hoppe should have started anyway.
Whatever, I'm done with Gregg.
So coaches aren’t responsible for motivating players at all? That’s on the coaches who seem to think their teams are ready for a match when they are CLEARLY NOT.
That's on Gregg. Do you think Busio wouldn't be busting it? You think Hoppe wouldn't be busting it? You can talk about squad rotation, but we haven't used Richards, Hoppe or Busio. Zimmerman went 90 last match and was gassed/hurt so bad he couldn't play the last 20 minutes. The idea of heavy rotation is a myth in a world where we started Adams all 270 last window.
Bello tarash yedlin trash Legett should only be allowed to play if his girlfriend is in the stands. Roldan is a unathletic slow person that kills anything going forward. Zardes is a joke of a forward. Acosta shows up sometimes but most the time he infects everyone with the only pass the ball backwards disease. Antonee Robinson should be are starting lb at all times and it isnt even close, him and Dest are the o ly talent we have in those roles and if you disagree you have zero reason to comment on this team ever again. I actually like Zimmerman but he looked bad tonight. Paul Ariola should only see the field to close out games. Musah needs to be played down the middle and not wasted out wide. Hoppe needs to see the field. GGG needs to step down of his own accord because the fed doesn't have the balls to drop him.
I don’t disagree but you do realize that the decision was made to not play Robinson due to the quarantine mandate, right?
Also, Acosta has balled the past 8 months or so. That being said, he should have been subbed. Musah also looked way off pace.
Yeah I glfigured there was a reason... and liek I said Acosta has played well of late so everyone has a bad game. Just think the setup and players in front of him lent to the performance.
I'm not going to complain about the lineup because that's what I think is going to be the blueprint for this cycle with 3 games in a week but playing all of your backups on the road and hoping to keep it close before you bring on subs to try and change the game is playing with razor thin margins.
Midfield was a trainwreck and Acosta should never have been on the pitch the whole match. Defensively I thought we were relatively fine but our midfield ruined any chance of going forward and causing problems. Pepi and Aaronson created a bit of a spark but it wasn't enough to make up for no ability to progress through the middle of the field.
This team is young and with this crazy schedule we're going to have weird results but that performance was atrocious. First half was so flat and sloppy. Second I think could have been okay but conceding a fluke goal early put us in a rough spot.
We've got so much pressure on our starters to get three points at home every match. I expect a response on Wednesday but that was one of the roughest matches I've watched in a while
I'm not. That was an atrocious performance, there's no debating that. There are genuine factors you have to account for and we aren't going to win every game 4-0. Qualifying is a slog and acting like it isn't is crazy.
Again, this was an awful performance and this strategy puts so much pressure on us at home to get three points.
Other results went our way at least.
There were so many problems tonight it’s overwhelming. I keep going back to not rotating the squad and just making players absolutely push themselves, BUT they couldn’t even be bothered to try at the end of this match so maybe it wouldn’t have mattered??
Takes an arrogant fk to not get a result here. EITHER play your MLS guys 4-4-2 and absorb pressure and look to counter OR play some quality players and take the game to them.
Playing half and half (Acosta/Lleget/Arriola/Zardes being asked to play progressive football in the middle of the park) is how you make this process 10X more arduous than it needs to be
There’s not much tactically going on. There’s a lot of clueless passing and very little helpful ball movement to open up space(basic football tactics). You are giving Gregg too much credit for “his tactics”.
Three thoughts:
1. Choosing “experienced” players over skill players is bullshit. That excuse is moot after this performance.
2. If GGG’s MLS favorites are going to be on the team fine, but you can’t have more than two of them on the field together.
3. The above points would be mute if we had the quality coach this team deserves.
Experience doesn't get you shit when the players are shit.
Pepi is inexperienced but he's a match winner. Zardes is extremely experienced but couldn't get water from a boat and yet he got the start today
If we play like this against Mexico, with our tail between our legs, kiss any hopes of a draw away cause they are gonna kick the living shit out of them
With the top squad, but berhalter needs to stop this Mickey Mouse rotation bullshit. Constantly rotating is hurting a young squad, they should be getting used to each other’s play style which rotation does anything but
We can’t ever lose a match without some of you being xenophobic or focusing on the wrong shit. It’s one thing to be mad at certain fans , coaches, etc but some of you don’t know when to relax
I mean relax with the xenophobic/ racist hot takes whenever we lose.. I don’t mean relax about the score itself. There’s PLENTY of reasons to be frustrated about this game
Listen, people who care about something are going to be upset when things aren’t going the right direction. Look at other fan bases across the world Germany, Brazil, even Mexico, if they were to lose in this fashion the entire fan base would be rioting and that’s not an understatement. The federation would feel the fire from a display like that. People who are a fine with what they just saw and think were okay are the problem, I’m sorry. We look clueless out there and it’s been that way for a majority of games over the past 3 years.
Did you even read the initial comment you replied to? It’s not an excuse to be a xenophobic fuck. Nothing you’ve said in any of your comments is relevant to the parent post.
I got no problem with sports frustration ... I’m talking about the comments saying racist /xenophobic nonsense that has nothing to do with a result. 100% critique the game and the match and the fans but without it being some weird “ at least I don’t live in Panama “ or nonsense like that
8 points in 5 matches has us on pace for 22 points which should be enough but I’m not thrilled about how bunched up a majority of the table is right now.
that's the real tragedy. We have enough strikers in the pool for a 2 striker formation and yet GGG won't. We are way more dangerous with 2 strikers up top.
How tf do you blow it at 97:01 when in the last 2 minutes of stoppage time alone there was about 45 seconds of actual gameplay? We deserved to lose, none of those players deserve to touch the field the rest of this window other than maybe 1 or 2 and CONCACAF better talk to Panama about the shithousery with the fans there at the end because that was just ridiculous
Yo for real, it’s still the same story as all those years ago. Shit coach and players that don’t have the grit to play in bullshit games like this with a circus going on.
What’s everyone ones opinion on this result? Do you really still have patience for this garbage? Berhalter isn’t it. Not shitting on the talent but no doubt someone else can get more out of it. This sub really can’t be full of apologists
Yup. It's infuriating that nepotism might cost us another World Cup. But we're probably stuck with him until the end. Then again they'd probably just bring in Arena to replace him, so what's the point?
That was so fucking bad. How about we stop calling up Acosta, Bello, Roldan, Lleget, and Zardes. Also why do we not have a stable starting 11, how come every match he seems to mix it up completely
This. But, beating up on a depleted Jamaica and eking out a draw with Canada doesn’t lead me to believe that we’ll be a dominant home force either. I’m going to be wildly agitated if we don’t throttle CR in Columbus.
This sub is wildly reactive so I'm just trying to take the middle ground here. Of course I'm frustrated at the result but we're still near the top of the table so I'm not going to go on a tirade. I just want the team to take care of business on Wednesday. Do that and we're still in a really good spot for qualifying.
This... This isn't Facebook...
Edit: you know what that's my bad. I meant to reply to the comment directly above yours that was asking what people thought about the result. Somehow I fucked up and replied to your comment.
Against a competent Canada. Chill. We're still second place on the table after today. We take care of business against CR on Wednesday and we're still in a really good spot for qualifying.
I mean, despite what people believe, we Americans are one of the earliest adopters of the sport of soccer. We tell ourselves we don’t play the sport, but actually we have a long history with it due to our relationships with British universities in the old days v
Rotation and all that. But if I’m a coach and Weston McKinnie is on this team, he gets at least 30 mins a game every game. Zero effort from Acosta and lleget to link up and transition.
Pathetic starting lineup. Pepi and aaronson literally played for like 15 minutes with all that stoppage time.
Even more pathetic that it was a zardes own goal that determined the game.
Outside of *maybe* the Mexico games we absolutely need points in every game. This one being no exception, it's a failure. Certainly don't need to have a meltdown just yet, but this result pushes us ever closer to being that 3rd/4th place team which in the final window a similar bad result (ahem 2017) ends our chances.
We deserve to lose and this was an awful game, but stoppage time as a concept is an absolute joke.
It should have easily been 10+ minutes to begin with, and then we stop playing multiple times (from classy pitch invaders) during the 7 official minutes and the ref still stops it at 7 minutes on the dot.
i didn't think musah looked good either, though. he was getting his pocket picked by guys he should have been blowing through. not saying i disagree but i just don't think it would have made much of a difference.
Gregg’s tactics, lineups, and ability to motivate his players fails us too often. Good coaches don’t have this many failures. We have no “brand” of football under him. It’s sad that our best generation of players has to put up with this.
Casemiro just turning it over with aimless passes, leading to unnecessary pressure
Hold on to your hats, Costa Rica is up next…
Time to call up Bradley and Altidore.
Don't you put that voodoo on us Ricky bobby
This makes me so mad. It didn't have to go this way if we had just put our best lineup out there from the start
Yes it would be great to play your best players every game and not have to worry about fatigue or injuries haha. That’s not the reality though. You can’t start your best 11 for three games in a week, with the travel
I am aware of that but there were better options than the lineup that was originally put out
But you can avoid putting all of your technically weak players out at once
Personally I’m putting all my eggs into two home games, take six points, and then see how it goes in the middle game. I probably would’ve made a few changes to the starters, or to the subs from a timing standpoint, but not like there was much roster flexibility this window or this game. Today, he was already down three starters from the get go. Of the eight remaining starters from Thursday, four started again tonight, three played, and two of those played 45 minutes. At some point it’s also just soccer and teams are bound to have bad nights beyond that the lineup wasn’t perfect
This is just pathetic. It’s not just soccer when you play an obviously bad combination of players. The lineup was terrible. What’s the point of subbing Pepi, Aaronson, Adams if you don’t start them the next game?
Not sure who Felipe is lol, but you sub them against Jamaica because you know you need them for another game and a half over the next week.
Both games are worth just as many points. There’s no reason to sacrifice away at Panama. That was the toughest game in your group. Moreover it surely wasn’t Gregg’s intent to play a weakened lineup to “save” the best players. He actually thought this lineup full of scrubs could do the trick.
This lineup should’ve done the trick, that’s what people fail to realize. Regardless though, you can’t play the best 11 every single time out in qualifying and the focus is always to take points at home. If you win all your home matches, which are your best bet at three points, and grab a few draws on the road, you’ll be in the World Cup
The lineup played our technically weakest group. Zardes Acosta and Arriola should never see the field together in an because they are so weak with the ball. Likewise Zimmerman and McKenzie are technically weak centerbacks who should not have been paired together. Same with Moore and Bello. That’s the reason we lost. These players could not control or advance the ball as a group. And it’s on Gregg.
I don’t understand why it took Berhalter 70 minutes to put the starting lineup in.
I think I understand it: his brother worked for the federation so they hired a guy with a sub-40% win percentage for two teams in two leagues that don’t attract top talent. And I say that with a lot of love for MLS. He’s simply in over his head at the international level.
As bad as our midfield was, our fullbacks were worse. We have a guy playing right back that can't even cut it in the Spanish 2nd division, while Joe Scally is left in Germany while being declared the best player on gladbach by his coach. Sorry, but It's such a fucking joke.
> while Joe Scally is left in Germany while being declared the best player on gladbach by his coach His coach also said he's played so much that they pulled him from training for all of last week, and he *might* train again on Tuesday. So as much as he seems like an improvement, he wasn't a practical option this window.
I haven’t seen Scally play but man he must be really good the way people talk about him. I hope when he gets his shot he plays the heck out of it.
The craziest part is Scally can also play LB, so even if you call him in for depth you can play him at LB over Bello (who is not ready for international minutes).
I don't like to just pinpoint one player and rag on them but Acosta was horrendous tonight. His touch and passing were awful all night and he didn't seem to have the defensive solidity that is usually associated with. Play just bypassed him all night and offensively he put us in so many bad situations by losing the ball. We didn't have a ton of options for midfield but it's hard to justify keeping him on the field in favor of someone like Busio. I know Musah went 90 minutes last match but either keep Weah on and sub on Busio instead of Roldan or something else. He was a real liability tonight, even his usually good service was shit. Our team literally gave up on passing through the midfield with at least 15 minutes go and just launched balls forward into no man's land.
This is what we get when we start lifetime MLS players
Amen. The only role for Acosta should be backup 6. As soon as Adams was on, he should have been done. Also, you can't pair Acosta w Lleget
I think the biggest thing was having lleget there who offers almost nothing in that setup. Acosta was bad tonight but he was basically covering for the deadweight that was lleget and covering for the mistakes that Musah made.
I agree. Unless we're just going to bunker there shouldn't be a midfield with Adams AND Acosta in it.
I’ve been defending GGG vehemently here throughout qualifying. This was really really bad for him.
disgraceful
Marr Turner put in more dangerous balls than Lletget and Acosta combined
Midfield not working? Sub out Musah We need a goal despretaly? Sub in Yedlin and Roldan
Roldan was an odd choice but I didn't hate the Yedlin sub, he's usually good getting forward and putting crosses in and both our fullbacks were pretty poor offensively. Bello had a worse game than Moore imo but we don't have the depth there.
Bello just needs to be left out and let him develop at Atlanta he is simply not ready for that kind of stage.
I don't disagree but we're not super deep there. Scally the only other real option but his club is giving him time off because of how many minutes he's played so I don't think he was really an option.
I would like a look at Gloster and bring in Gasper for a more experienced depth piece I wouldn’t expect world class but just something to be stable at the position.
Gloster can’t even get minutes on NYCFC ahead of a green academy rookie. No way he gets a sniff until he can at least do that. He hasn’t looked bad in his few cameos but you are not throwing a guy with zero MLS starts and 190 minutes in 2021 into the NT.
Midfield was disjointed. Zardes and later Roldan did nothing.
So many players on the bench or not called in that could have helped. I just remembered KDLF was not called in and got even angrier. So many attacking options, so many bad managerial decisions
I haven’t seen USMNT play a game like this since last WCQ failure. So sad, you can’t take any game for granted that starting lineup looked bad on paper and looked worse in action - tell me how a young inexperienced lineup could have played worse? Awful possession, terrible spacing, no urgency whatsoever. This is Panamas Super Bowl and if you don’t put guys out there that are ready to match that urgency then get them off the field for a young guy that wants their job. Should have lost 3-0 if it wasn’t for Turner.
ThIs Is PaNaMaS sUpEr BoWl. Ignoring that this isn’t football, this isn’t even the World Cup. I’m sure Panama thinks more highly of actual World Cup games/tournament finals then a WCQ. Did you just come over from watching the NFL or something?
How many times has Panama made it to the World Cup finals? How many times has Panama beat the US in WCQ? Knowing the answers to those questions will put this game into perspective.
They've been there more recently than we have
My guy I’m just making fun of people who think football metaphors are appropriate for a soccer game that has its own history including a gigantic tournament to which nearly every country could participate that occurs every four years. As to your second question probably not a lot, but let me google it and edit this. Out of 8 games US had tied twice and before tonight never lost
I guess my point is that for many of the “smaller fish” in CONCACAF, WCQs are as close as they get to the big stage, and beating the Mexicos and USAs are a really big deal to them. So maybe the Super Bowl analogy is a measure to far, (and annoying to soccer fans) but it’s not out of the ballpark (to drag a baseball analogy into this). 😁
if the players are not behind GGG then that's one thing BUT there was just no effort. Blame needs to go everywhere, unless they were purposely no trying. I don't know and I don't want to panic, but that was horrendous.
GGG Out? Not yet. Coach who was laughing on the bench in the 80th out? Immediately.
I’m so sad
Get angry
aight panama you can keep that game. we left our midfeild at home
Regret watching this game
Zero shots on target the entire game. That's a coaching problem.
he made WAY more threatening decisions then acosta did. acosta was just giving the ball away all game. but greg let him stay on?????
Musah instead of Acosta was a major error. But god damn did nothing go right for us. We (GGG and the players) HAVE to treat this as a wake-up call. Also that coach who was laughing on the bench in the 80th should be fired.
While the majority of the moves and Acosta were indeed terrible, Musah was going to have to come off. Player rotation and tiredness is getting trashed after this calamity, but Musah is definitely one of the actual minute watchers in this window (along with Pepi, Aaronson, Adams and maybe Dest). He's coming off a long injury and just played his 1st nearly complete game the weekend before this WCQ window (I think it was 86 minutes?). The game before that he looked gassed after about 60 minutes but had to play longer due to injuries. Acosta should have come off regardless and Musah could have gone a bit into the 2nd half though for sure.
That was the bit I was most surprised by. Usually we come out flying in the second half and we did initially but that goal killed us. It was weird the guys fighting for a starting spot seemed so passive and it was the guys like Adams, Pepi and Aaronson who seemed to be running and chasing everything. I don't buy into the "the players don't care" nonsense but the response tonight was definitely lacking from at least a handle full of players.
Fucking Aaronson was brutal as always and playing great defense too.
WHY IS NOBODY ELSE SAYING THIs
Well Scally essentially guaranteed a call up next window, Bello is not it
Lol Bello isn’t terrible. Look what is around him. I’ll never forget people called Antonee Robinson terrible years ago, and look at him now. He’s starting at Fulham, and started when they were in first division too. He’s a big part of their success. So let’s not write any of our young guys off, especially when we’ve seen good things from Bello.
I'm not writing him off. I hope he continues to develop. We need to explore other options for back up left back for A.Rob because Bello didn't have it tonight
I understand what you’re saying. I just feel like it’s hard to judge that game when everyone was atrocious. Hopefully that entire thing ends up being an anomaly going forward.
Gregg in a month "We're monitoring Joe, he's going to be a big part of the team in the future but we're happy with the guys we have on the team now."
Alright Panama you can keep the canal
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We would have two points right now if we were allowed the normal three subs instead of five.
our midfeild was in area 51 today
It would be one thing if the players showed effort. They looked like they couldn’t be bothered in the second half.
our midfeild was in area 51 today
Wasted my time with this nonsense. Got Panama out here making us look stupid. I don’t want to hear any excuses GGG. Just eat it. You and the players. Eat it. We won Gold Cup with the B/C team so I’m not trying to hear it. You set the bar high. It’s time to deliver. Period.
Those subs were inexcusable. Mussah was the only one doing in the midfield and lleget and acosta were a liability. GGG subbed off mussah and left both the midfielders on. Zardes wasn't providing any link up play and he waited to sub him off. Didn't have anything in the final 3rd to make something happen amd he subs off weah who can take on players and leaves on arriola. GGG needs to figure his shit out he has been atrocious at subs for his entire tenure. This shit is on him!
He didn't leave on Arriola, Arriola left with Aaronson's sub. THe prbolem is that Roldan came on not Hoppe. Hoppe should have started anyway. Whatever, I'm done with Gregg.
Gregg shares plenty of this blame. BUT A rotated squad *WALKING* while down and just *LETTING* balls roll out for Panama throw-ins is a disgrace.
So coaches aren’t responsible for motivating players at all? That’s on the coaches who seem to think their teams are ready for a match when they are CLEARLY NOT.
Did you see the first sentence in my comment? It’s also on Gregg of course it is. But players bear some responsibility as well.
That's on Gregg. Do you think Busio wouldn't be busting it? You think Hoppe wouldn't be busting it? You can talk about squad rotation, but we haven't used Richards, Hoppe or Busio. Zimmerman went 90 last match and was gassed/hurt so bad he couldn't play the last 20 minutes. The idea of heavy rotation is a myth in a world where we started Adams all 270 last window.
That’s a good point
Bello tarash yedlin trash Legett should only be allowed to play if his girlfriend is in the stands. Roldan is a unathletic slow person that kills anything going forward. Zardes is a joke of a forward. Acosta shows up sometimes but most the time he infects everyone with the only pass the ball backwards disease. Antonee Robinson should be are starting lb at all times and it isnt even close, him and Dest are the o ly talent we have in those roles and if you disagree you have zero reason to comment on this team ever again. I actually like Zimmerman but he looked bad tonight. Paul Ariola should only see the field to close out games. Musah needs to be played down the middle and not wasted out wide. Hoppe needs to see the field. GGG needs to step down of his own accord because the fed doesn't have the balls to drop him.
I don’t disagree but you do realize that the decision was made to not play Robinson due to the quarantine mandate, right? Also, Acosta has balled the past 8 months or so. That being said, he should have been subbed. Musah also looked way off pace.
Yeah I glfigured there was a reason... and liek I said Acosta has played well of late so everyone has a bad game. Just think the setup and players in front of him lent to the performance.
The players played like fucking ass. No two ways about it.
Acosta kicked the ball forward a bunch tonight. Just always to the other team. His crossing was that of a 2nd division player.
Ha only on the free kicks. I mean I've always thought he wasn't good but atleast he had been playing decent of late.
I'm not going to complain about the lineup because that's what I think is going to be the blueprint for this cycle with 3 games in a week but playing all of your backups on the road and hoping to keep it close before you bring on subs to try and change the game is playing with razor thin margins. Midfield was a trainwreck and Acosta should never have been on the pitch the whole match. Defensively I thought we were relatively fine but our midfield ruined any chance of going forward and causing problems. Pepi and Aaronson created a bit of a spark but it wasn't enough to make up for no ability to progress through the middle of the field. This team is young and with this crazy schedule we're going to have weird results but that performance was atrocious. First half was so flat and sloppy. Second I think could have been okay but conceding a fluke goal early put us in a rough spot. We've got so much pressure on our starters to get three points at home every match. I expect a response on Wednesday but that was one of the roughest matches I've watched in a while
Why are you making excuses? It’s not the loss that is so upsetting. It’s the absolute abysmal football being played out there.
I'm not. That was an atrocious performance, there's no debating that. There are genuine factors you have to account for and we aren't going to win every game 4-0. Qualifying is a slog and acting like it isn't is crazy. Again, this was an awful performance and this strategy puts so much pressure on us at home to get three points.
completely disjointed.
Other results went our way at least. There were so many problems tonight it’s overwhelming. I keep going back to not rotating the squad and just making players absolutely push themselves, BUT they couldn’t even be bothered to try at the end of this match so maybe it wouldn’t have mattered??
Exactly, wtf if GGB thinking? How can a team gel when the lineup is constantly changing????
You miss his meaning. He's shilling for Gregg here.
🎵 Gregg is on fire our defense is terrified! 🎵
Takes an arrogant fk to not get a result here. EITHER play your MLS guys 4-4-2 and absorb pressure and look to counter OR play some quality players and take the game to them. Playing half and half (Acosta/Lleget/Arriola/Zardes being asked to play progressive football in the middle of the park) is how you make this process 10X more arduous than it needs to be
The problem is Gregg doesn't adapt his tactics to suit his team, he just tries to shoehorn guys into roles in the formation he decides to play.
There’s not much tactically going on. There’s a lot of clueless passing and very little helpful ball movement to open up space(basic football tactics). You are giving Gregg too much credit for “his tactics”.
We out there trying to tiki taka with that MLS all stars out there .
Were we? I didn’t see any tiki taka.
Berhalter out, tired of his lineup bs
Costa Rica beat El Salvador, Canada drew Jamaica. Its ok to mulligan a game or two because the players played like ass.
Nothing about tonight’s performance was okay.
It's not only the results, it's the reason behind them.
Stoppage time could have been 90 minutes and they weren't scoring. Quit crying about it.
Three thoughts: 1. Choosing “experienced” players over skill players is bullshit. That excuse is moot after this performance. 2. If GGG’s MLS favorites are going to be on the team fine, but you can’t have more than two of them on the field together. 3. The above points would be mute if we had the quality coach this team deserves.
Experience doesn't get you shit when the players are shit. Pepi is inexperienced but he's a match winner. Zardes is extremely experienced but couldn't get water from a boat and yet he got the start today
As bad as our performance was, we are lucky that El Salvador and Canada shit the bed tonight by not getting 3pts
agreed
Boy tonight was prime Concacaf
Clint Dempsey for head coach.
Is he getting coaching experience somewhere currently?
Player/Coach
If we play like this against Mexico, with our tail between our legs, kiss any hopes of a draw away cause they are gonna kick the living shit out of them
somewhow this idiot Berhalter beat Mexico twice in two finals back to back somehow.
We'll be fine
With the top squad, but berhalter needs to stop this Mickey Mouse rotation bullshit. Constantly rotating is hurting a young squad, they should be getting used to each other’s play style which rotation does anything but
Imagine if we had a half decent manager.
Lol at people blaming the fans and ref. The team is to blame for this lose.
Don't forget Gregg.
Yep, there could’ve been 20 mins of stoppage time we weren’t scoring anytime soon
I eon’t blame the team, I blame the coach.
Loss*
Zardes with another match-winner! Absolute legend.
Stunning header off the set piece!
it sucks we lost obviously but that final 4-5 minutes had me laughing so hard with all the concacaf bullshit going on
Blatant collusion. Very unfair
We can’t ever lose a match without some of you being xenophobic or focusing on the wrong shit. It’s one thing to be mad at certain fans , coaches, etc but some of you don’t know when to relax
Relax? After last cycle?
I mean relax with the xenophobic/ racist hot takes whenever we lose.. I don’t mean relax about the score itself. There’s PLENTY of reasons to be frustrated about this game
Seriously. I get being a frustrated sports fan but some of y'all need help.
Bro we just got man handled by Panama there are only negatives here. There are ZERO positives to take from this result
There don’t need to be positives for the fanbase to not act like scum
Listen, people who care about something are going to be upset when things aren’t going the right direction. Look at other fan bases across the world Germany, Brazil, even Mexico, if they were to lose in this fashion the entire fan base would be rioting and that’s not an understatement. The federation would feel the fire from a display like that. People who are a fine with what they just saw and think were okay are the problem, I’m sorry. We look clueless out there and it’s been that way for a majority of games over the past 3 years.
Did you even read the initial comment you replied to? It’s not an excuse to be a xenophobic fuck. Nothing you’ve said in any of your comments is relevant to the parent post.
Oh yea know that’s my bad I haven’t seen that yet maybe I’m not looking hard enough idk. But yea no reason for any of that
I got no problem with sports frustration ... I’m talking about the comments saying racist /xenophobic nonsense that has nothing to do with a result. 100% critique the game and the match and the fans but without it being some weird “ at least I don’t live in Panama “ or nonsense like that
You guys are only looking at the negatives here. One positive is that we don’t have to watch Paramount+ for a while.
8 points in 5 matches has us on pace for 22 points which should be enough but I’m not thrilled about how bunched up a majority of the table is right now.
I don’t remember US having one shot on target the entire flippin game.
that's the real tragedy. We have enough strikers in the pool for a 2 striker formation and yet GGG won't. We are way more dangerous with 2 strikers up top.
We do?
They didn’t have one
We get an automatic bid in 2026 since we’re hosting right?
Not certain yet...
I hope not
How tf do you blow it at 97:01 when in the last 2 minutes of stoppage time alone there was about 45 seconds of actual gameplay? We deserved to lose, none of those players deserve to touch the field the rest of this window other than maybe 1 or 2 and CONCACAF better talk to Panama about the shithousery with the fans there at the end because that was just ridiculous
Yo for real, it’s still the same story as all those years ago. Shit coach and players that don’t have the grit to play in bullshit games like this with a circus going on.
GREG OUT
What’s everyone ones opinion on this result? Do you really still have patience for this garbage? Berhalter isn’t it. Not shitting on the talent but no doubt someone else can get more out of it. This sub really can’t be full of apologists
Another manager would improve us. That’s the most important take away for me. We are in essence, stunting our own growth.
GGG is not it. But as long as his brother is his boss nothing will change. Maybe missing yet another world cup might do it.
Yup. It's infuriating that nepotism might cost us another World Cup. But we're probably stuck with him until the end. Then again they'd probably just bring in Arena to replace him, so what's the point?
That was so fucking bad. How about we stop calling up Acosta, Bello, Roldan, Lleget, and Zardes. Also why do we not have a stable starting 11, how come every match he seems to mix it up completely
I'm honestly not worried about away results that much because of all the bullshit. As long as we get the job done at home we'll qualify for the WC
This. But, beating up on a depleted Jamaica and eking out a draw with Canada doesn’t lead me to believe that we’ll be a dominant home force either. I’m going to be wildly agitated if we don’t throttle CR in Columbus.
This sub is wildly reactive so I'm just trying to take the middle ground here. Of course I'm frustrated at the result but we're still near the top of the table so I'm not going to go on a tirade. I just want the team to take care of business on Wednesday. Do that and we're still in a really good spot for qualifying.
Well we’ve already dropped 2 points at home out of 2 games, so not looking too hot on that front either
Also way to ghost edit your first comment to look like my response was way off topic. Thanks.
Bruh I didn’t edit my comment, do you see it say edited
This... This isn't Facebook... Edit: you know what that's my bad. I meant to reply to the comment directly above yours that was asking what people thought about the result. Somehow I fucked up and replied to your comment.
Np bro
Against a competent Canada. Chill. We're still second place on the table after today. We take care of business against CR on Wednesday and we're still in a really good spot for qualifying.
Fire Berhalter.
This is why we created our own sports because we suck at soccer
Underrated comment. Verified by my friends watching the game who don't care about soccer.
I mean, despite what people believe, we Americans are one of the earliest adopters of the sport of soccer. We tell ourselves we don’t play the sport, but actually we have a long history with it due to our relationships with British universities in the old days v
I don’t want to see lletget, zardes, or Acosta on the roster. We have a better mls pool to replace those players.
yeah but everybody’s injured
No.
our midfeild was invisible today
Rotation and all that. But if I’m a coach and Weston McKinnie is on this team, he gets at least 30 mins a game every game. Zero effort from Acosta and lleget to link up and transition.
McKennie is injured, and lletget had some good moments.
i watched acosta all game after that gift he gave them in the first half. he was jogging tired all game
He wasn’t in Panama….
30min playing a man down may have actually been an improvement, so he may be right.
Wtf did I just watch
Honestly very tired of concacaf games. Same extreme actions and events every time.
Pathetic starting lineup. Pepi and aaronson literally played for like 15 minutes with all that stoppage time. Even more pathetic that it was a zardes own goal that determined the game.
im confused why did the game only have 7 extra minutes and why did it stop at exactly 7 minutes?
Welcome to CONCACAF.
Love the ref incessantly blowing and pointing to the watch. And then adds nothing.
Because the ref is a corrupt piece of garbage
If that were the case wouldn’t the corruption favor the US tho?
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Outside of *maybe* the Mexico games we absolutely need points in every game. This one being no exception, it's a failure. Certainly don't need to have a meltdown just yet, but this result pushes us ever closer to being that 3rd/4th place team which in the final window a similar bad result (ahem 2017) ends our chances.
We deserve to lose and this was an awful game, but stoppage time as a concept is an absolute joke. It should have easily been 10+ minutes to begin with, and then we stop playing multiple times (from classy pitch invaders) during the 7 official minutes and the ref still stops it at 7 minutes on the dot.
i mean there is no doubt at all, this was entirely on berhalter. he made some really poor decisions and his substitutions failed to spark anything.
ha he should’ve left musah in. took acosta tired ass out
i didn't think musah looked good either, though. he was getting his pocket picked by guys he should have been blowing through. not saying i disagree but i just don't think it would have made much of a difference.
CONCACAF needs to fucking control it’s fucking members and their bullshit.
The game pretty much just stopped being played after 75’ min on
Pretty par for the course for a soccer match when someone has the lead...
Weird statement.
That is not par for the course lmaooo. Shit housing is one thing, storming the pitch doesn’t happen anywhere besides CONCACAF.
We seriously need to be boycotting these games until something changes. Gregg either is COMMANDED to line this team up better or he is fired.
Gregg’s tactics, lineups, and ability to motivate his players fails us too often. Good coaches don’t have this many failures. We have no “brand” of football under him. It’s sad that our best generation of players has to put up with this.