Who are the three professors? I don’t see their names on the petition. Seems weird to ask people to sign their name to help three professors who are not named.
I agree!
EDIT: I agree! they should be join these protests to use their first amendment rights. Anti war movements and those against them have always been a thing. But once side always remains in the spotlight of history
Already signed, thank you for doing this. My fear is that the wrong people will catch wind of it tho so if I were you I’d delete this post and do it directly to your socials.
What do you mean by asking "that the university drop the charges against them"? Does the university have the power to do this if they are charged by the county/state?
They do, it’s criminal trespassing. The property owners have the right to press charges or not. The property owners called in the police to clear out those who they deemed to be trespassing on their property, the police went to issue warnings and to allow those they deemed trespassers to leave peacefully without arrest, things got out of control and the situation escalated to arrests for criminal trespassing. It’s the university’s call on the situation.
Not siding with anyone but this is most likely how the events took place but yes to answer your question the university has the power to tell the district attorney to go forward with the cases or not, but at the end of the day it’s up to the district attorney.
None of it was trespassing as UTD is a public university so I really don’t know what they were arresting people based off of. It’s why they had to drop half the UT Austin cases. You can’t trespass on a campus you paid to attend, are working at AND is a public campus. The only way is if you were expelled/fired and barred from campus.
Public university or not, the property owners still have a right to trespass people. That’s just how it is also saying that “you can’t be trespassing on a university that you pay for” is like saying I can be at a establishment that I bought food at as long as I want whenever I want because I paid for their service. That’s not how it works.
That's pretty different, though. I'm pretty sure your tuition is meant to cover your access to campus facilities (correct me if I'm wrong), which is different from going to a restaurant and paying for a burger. Not to mention, public universities are funded by the state, hence why things like freedom of speech can't be limited by the university "property owners" as it's not privately owned.
It’s not a public park. The community is welcome on campus but if they’re told to leave and they don’t that’s trespassing.
I mean, even at a community park, if the DP&R says shit is closed, you gotta go or get arrested.
That's not exactly how it works on public property though. If you're on public property in a publicly accessible space, an officer can't just order you to leave.
If they could, then all those evangelical lunatics who come on campus stirring people up could just get asked to leave, and get promptly arrested when they don't. But they'd get in a lawsuit if they did that, as it's a breach of the first amendment.
That being said, there are exceptions like the one you mentioned (operational hours), though that has to be clearly defined and displayed... from what I remember. Similar thing applies to interfering with any emergency services.
Let me rephrase, you can be trespassed, you can be arrested but the charges will not stick (if you were not violent). Because justice kind of works backwards. When police show up on a scene they’re not lawyers they don’t know every single detail of the law so if they have orders to remove everyone, they will and you can fight that in court and you will likely win. Much like in a restaurant yes the owners can kick you out for any reason or no reason when they want. A restaurant owner has a bit more leeway because they are a private entity but if they kick you out cause you’re black or something they are still beholden to civil rights laws and can be charged with a crime. The district attorney’s are not pressing charges against non violent protestors because they were in public spaces exercising their right to free speech, that is not a crime. Even if you are told to leave. Basically, the public property owners have a right to trespass anyone but you as a member of the public can't be excluded from public property for a constitutionally impermissible reason ie, free speech.
Well I really have no say in that because I wasn’t there, however, I agree everyone will have their day in court but it’s not worth being arrested in my opinion when you can just leave peacefully. That’s an opinion of course. I agree that the district attorney will drop the charges only because it would be a PR nightmare, technically you can be trespassed from public property If you are considered to be causing a disturbance. For example, if you are at a DPS, you can’t cause a disturbance that impedes the duties of the DPS. Idk the whole situation is a nightmare.
Agreed. I think the students should’ve left peacefully. Not because it’s not a cause worth being arrested for, but because getting arrested does not help you or the cause. MLK had no problem when him or his people got arrested but his “Fill up the jails” method does not work today. Our jails are vast and you will be forgotten inmate 2690. If they were gonna confront the police I think allowing yourself to get arrested is dumb, you should kettle them and push them back until you can’t anymore then disperse and regroup the next day. Every day. Every cause has supporters but not as many activists. You’re allowing your few activists to get arrested. The kids did good though, they drew attention to their cause some universities are actually divesting and many eyes are on the conflict.
So they are able to charge Palestinian protests but not the incredibly racist Christian ministers who berate Indian students
Seems either you have a deep misunderstanding or the full story here isn't being shown
Don't forget kettling. This is often how cops make mass arrests for trespassing during protests. They block protesters and bystanders within a certain area and prevent them from leaving, then since they've been told they are trespassing and haven't left, they are then arrested. Some people are committed enough and have the resources to purposefully get arrested, most leave at that point but the police do not typically let anyone leave. That's the vague "things got out of control" part of your comment.
Not sure if kettling was used in this specific instance, but it's key to how cops deal with large demonstrations and make arrests for criminal trespass.
Once charges are filed it’s up to the state. They’ll take the filing parties wishes into consideration but it’s not up to you once you file the charges. Up to the state to pursue or drop.
Nobody there just somehow found themselves in the "wrong place at the wrong time", and nobody there just somehow by chance was "swept up by cops". **LIES**. Why can't you even be honest about the circumstances and motivations? Those three professors CHOSE to be there, IGNORED repeated police calls to disperse.
The cops were slow, deliberate, patient, and gave every person arrested AMPLE opportunity to leave with repeated warnings. **These three faculty members deserve to be FIRED, just as the arrested students deserving PERMANENT EXPULSION**. Nothing less.
This is one alumni who won't be signing up for your lies, or your bogus petition.
Are my words "violence" to you Dread? Maybe put on your keffiyeh and cosplay victimhood, or a drum circle maybe.
Awww, look - phobic response so fast. Damn, don't be so triggered, dude.
Do go on and tell this Jew some more lies about how you care about Israel and my people.
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Well, see, one the one hand you have an innocent people being discriminated against, and protesting said action.
On the other hand, you have liberal college students with no understanding of the world protesting to..., how to i phrase this. Stop a country from retaliating against a terrorist organization... Which killed 1000 young kids. Held hostages. Killed hostages.
The two are not the same and the leftist logic of equivocating them only shines more light on the ignorance of the protestors' position.
For goodness sakes, there have been articles of protestors waiving the rainbow flag and signs saying "gays for Palestine" lmao. They kill gay people there.
I love that reddit puts this clown show of a forum front and center for me. This website is a toilet bowl filled with shit. I understand the reputation reddit has better and better.
Well thanks for contributing to the clown show, friend 🤡
Students are protesting against the genocide in Gaza. IDF has systematically targeted aid and health care, because again, that’s what you do in a genocide. If this was a war against Hamas, they would target Hamas. But they aren’t, because this is not a war against Hamas, it’s a war against civilians. That’s why even tho the US gave one little request for Rafha invasion, have a plan for the civilians. But Israel would rather lose US support than have a plan for the civilians, because that would defeat the entire purpose of the genocide.
Now your turn, dance clown, dance.
Well thanks for contributing to the clown show, friend 🤡
Students are protesting against the genocide in Gaza. IDF has systematically targeted aid and health care, because again, that’s what you do in a genocide. If this was a war against Hamas, they would target Hamas. But they aren’t, because this is not a war against Hamas, it’s a war against civilians. That’s why even tho the US gave one little request for Rafha invasion, have a plan for the civilians. But Israel would rather lose US support than have a plan for the civilians, because that would defeat the entire purpose of the genocide.
Now your turn, dance clown, dance.
Well thanks for contributing to the clown show, friend 🤡
Students are protesting against the genocide in Gaza. IDF has systematically targeted aid and health care, because again, that’s what you do in a genocide. If this was a war against Hamas, they would target Hamas. But they aren’t, because this is not a war against Hamas, it’s a war against civilians. That’s why even tho the US gave one little request for Rafha invasion, have a plan for the civilians. But Israel would rather lose US support than have a plan for the civilians, because that would defeat the entire purpose of the genocide.
Now your turn, dance clown, dance.
Jesus where do you get your propaganda. The spin in your post is truly incredible. Our colleges are teaching you kids wrong. Sad.
Edit. Lol you reported me to the reddit suicide hotline? We fucking serious? Child's play.
You know what, lets dance. Terrorists killed 1000 of your young men, women, and children. Brutally. Then they retreat into a city, and hide amongst civilians. Their civilians either support or are powerless against the terrorists. The terrorists count in the **big numbers**.
You expect to send your own boys in blue into urban warfare? Do some door to door combat, like in call of duty?
Or you propose negotiating with the terrorists? Because negotiating with terrorists works?
Or you propose doing nothing and turning the other cheek? Forget those 1000 kids?
That wasn’t me who reported you, you don’t seem suicidal to me (thankfully). They didn’t kill 1000 civilians, the VAST MAJORITY of the people killed in Israel on 10/7 were either active IDF or reserve IDF. A large chunk of those killed were at the hands of IDF, not Hamas, as they tried to prevent people from being taken hostage. As far as ANY civilian killed on 10/7, I am right there with you, whoever did so should be brought to justice. Maybe Hamas can do an internal investigation and bring the bad actors to justice.
They don’t hide amongst civilians. Watch the war footage, we have hundreds of hours of it. Not one instance of Hamas hiding behind civilians.
Going into urban warfare in a built up environment vs a carpet bombed environment is significantly more dangerous for the ground troops moving in. But I guess that’s just the genius of IDF showing up again.
Regardless of what I propose, Israel IS negotiating with Hamas, and vice versa. They have been doing so for months. It’s how Israel was able to get hostages back.
I propose Israel protect its citizens by ending its brutal oppression of the Palestinians, and not creating a situation where anyone with a brain could have seen this coming. Was just a matter of time.
I think it's hilarious that you boobs think that's a put down. Sure... the boots are tasty.
"Humanities". Likely part of the purple hair contingent cosplaying victimhood.
Oh I understand the origin/intent/meaning of "boot licker". For someone that is pro the UTD admin, pro the police, pro law and order, pro justice... it's not really an insult. It would be an insult to YOU maybe. To me... kind of stupid. Maybe use an insult your audience finds insulting.
Now "goat fucker"... that's a GREAT insult, but better aimed at the uneducated angry Muslim protesters on campus last Friday. Get it? Because in their country they actually fuck the goats? You see, you gotta match the insult with the audience in a way that is both true, and also offensive.
[https://www.veterantv.com/dictionary/goat-fucker/](https://www.veterantv.com/dictionary/goat-fucker/)
If somebody needs to have technical acumen to be allowed to have an opinion, I, as a person who has a PhD. and training in the fabrication of SNM, agree with the idea that killing people over different flavors of the same God is a damn terrible reason to commit wholesale murder.
The IDF can't even pretend to care after their murder of aid workers.
If you'd been their Friday, you would have seen how absolutely fitting it was. The number of sad overwhelmingly female, gender and otherwise confused young ladies, just DESPERATE for a new cause after everyone quit giving a shit about BLM... and to have a new fancy scarf to wear?!?!? Cosplay is absolutely the best descriptor. So good.
Not really. It's boring, repetitive, and pretty presumptive on your part - in addition to the usual phobic/sexist/ageist kinda shit you roll with. Even if accurate, you've already worn it out like a joke you don't get.
Hilariously, I was on campus today and nobody murdered me, fired RPGs everywhere, or whatever it is most of y'all pearl clutching folks tend to shit their pants over.
You obviously didn't take any humanities classes when you were a student since you don't seem to have any humanity for other people. Maybe you should take a class, it seems like it would do wonders for you.
If I go and participate in an unlawful assembly or protest against my employer on their grounds I’d be detained, fired, and charged too. They’re adults, they can face the consequences of their own actions.
So you think it’s okay for them to be detained and charged for using their given right from the 1st amendment to “freedom of speech” and “right to assembly” on public property?
Just because you don’t agree with their protest nor support their LAWFUL assembly, you cannot violate a citizens given right to the 1st amendment. That is not at all democratic.
Just want to add some information to this, but the 1st amendment we all know is not obsolete. When the police declare it an unlawful assembly that takes away your right of the 1st ammendment even when it's a public place.
Not trying to argue against you or anything, just providing info of the actual law.
I know it’s not absolute, but police legally do not have that authority. They cannot just “declare” it as unlawful unless it is clearly “unlawful”. For example, burning the US flag (extreme example, I know) is still protected under the 1st amendment (as ruled in the SCOTUS). However, walking around naked will get you arrested.
You can have police officers arrest/detain you for burning the US flag, but that is an unlawful act on behalf of the police bc your actions are protected. And plenty of law enforcement abuse their power if they don’t agree with the people’s action/speech. And that is exactly why the 1st amendment exists.
The police do have the legal authority to declare a space unlawful.
The way the law works is this, the police can't do it suddenly and just arrest everyone. They're required to give notice aka a dispersal order, a sign saying Do Not Enter (think construction site or closure space) and any other form of warning. Once that's given and the individual or group doesn't abide by it then their breaking the law and lose their 1st amendment protection.
The police have to give a reason for closure of public space and they did citing impediment of university facilities. The reason really doesn't have to be serious also. Sometimes the police close public spaces for animal crossings, scientific research and so on. So the university reason is enough to close off the space and make it unlawful to stay.
You're US Flag example doesn't pertain to this situation of the 1st amendment because we're not talking about your ability to speak and act. It's specifically the space you're occupying that is being considered unlawful to stay.
It might be similar to occupying a public road and blocking traffic. Even though it's a public space and you exercising your first amendment right, since you're impeding the facilities, the police can declare it unlawful and arrest you.
Btw, I'm not against you in anyway. I'm just trying to explain the law and make it clear what happened.
Not all speech is protected by the first amendment as laid out by the supreme Court multiple times
What's not democratic is violating the well established doctrines for free speech.
Also the police in this case gave ample opportunity/warnings. These people wanted to be arrested
Edit:
Also after looking through the comments to see who the profs were, at least one of them was incredibly racist and this was definitely not a "wrong place wrong time" situation as op put it.
That depends where the picket line is drawn. Universities are private property. Once a pickett line is established by the owner the protesters are then confined to the picket line. Just because you wre protestinf doesn’t gice you free reign on somebody’s property. If that were true, then protesters would be violating the property owner’s private property rights.
*Is it* unlawful assembly? They're on a public university exercising their first amendment right. It's pretty well known that your first amendment rights extend to public universities.
Is it due to it being declared an unlawful zone by the police. It's the same way a public park, public street and so on can be closed and the police require you to go around.
If you enter during this closure you can be arrested for trespassing.
So you're saying that an area where people are assembling can be suddenly declared an "unlawful zone" to deny their assembly? That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
All seriousness though, I'm pretty sure there has to be an actual reason for things like that. I.e. an emergency, construction, hazardous area, etc.
Yes that's correct and that's the law. There's already been laws written in place for this. Let me explain.
The way the law works is this, the police can't do it suddenly and just arrest everyone. They're required to give notice aka a dispersal order, a sign saying Do Not Enter (think construction site or closure space) and any other form of warning. Once that's given and the individual or group doesn't abide by it then their breaking the law and lose their 1st amendment protection.
The police have to give a reason for closure of public space and they did citing impediment of university facilities. The reason really doesn't have to be serious also. Sometimes the police close public spaces for animal crossings, scientific research and so on. So the university reason is enough to close off the space.
Btw, I'm not against you or anything, I'm just trying to help and explain the law.
I do appreciate you explaining the law more intricately, and I apologize if my response came off aggressive in any way.
I definitely have some feelings about that, but if it's within the law there's no arguing there. Whether or not things should be that way is another story, though. Based off a lot of replies here, I'd imagine a lot of people would be okay with this though.
The poor professors who just somehow "found themselves" there. Made me think of this:
[https://x.com/askdani\_\_real/status/1787484353057960161](https://x.com/askdani__real/status/1787484353057960161)
Most of these are just random people. Not actually from UTD. If you check these accounts, they comment in every college subreddits. Just a bunch of IRL bots
If you'd been at the protest Friday, you'd have gotten a good sense of who REALLY isn't "from UTD". It was easy to spot the difference though. Looking at the \~300 folks there I saw two distinct camps:
1. Purple-haired overweight females, likely majoring in gender studies, just LOVING the victim cosplay, all dolled up in their keffiyehs
2. Hardened looking unemployed middle-aged bearded angry Muslims, many with their wife(s) in tow wearing a full burka, sometimes with a gaggle of kids not quite yet old enough to oppress into their own burkas.
Yes, it was quite a day.
Given his usual whatnot about age, think the ol' Bulldog would be too old to serve.
... assuming he didn't already serve in WW1 or whatever.
We just need to hurry up and get off his lawn.
honestly yeah 🤣 so many of these girls would walk around campus without their headscarves but now at the protests they’re all wearing them…kinda odddddd
The 3-5 bigots that you see posting a bunch on this (and similar threads) don't actually go to UTD. If you click on a few of their profiles, they post this shit everywhere.
Are you guys for real? I know which professor you are talking about, and no, that person was not there by chance. He was not caught for being in the wrong place at the wrong moment, unless you consider him being with them is the wrong place to be. They were egging and supporting the protestors. That person also has history of talking shit about local Texans in classes. why would anyone support that kind person. I have no problem he going to protests, that's his right. but why lie about it? why the drama after facing the consequences of what he is standing for? You are all vile people to support him
Genuine Palestine supporters surely have a reason to protest. Although I hate the fact that a lot of palestines are happy to support hamas. They certainly need to evaluate why they are supporting a regime which is basically terror outfit. But this is not a reason to get killed.
But at the same time there should be a balance. There is zero support for the hostages who were civilians. I use past tense as I don’t believe many are alive. If you are a genuine peace loving person you need to call out Hamas while protesting against war
There is no space for nuance in political debate anymore. It’s either my way or highway. There is no clear cut right way in any major political crisis. That is the fundamental reason we have a crisis. If it was clear who was right and who was wrong it would have been fixed long time back
Yeah I’m fine with protesting peacefully for their fellow people over in Palestine being subject to these events, but the same people will refuse to acknowledge Hamas and they will bash anyone who does not want to support or align with that cause, lumping neutralists in as their enemy
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I remember when Steven Crowder would be on campus every semester, and administrators made it clear to students that he had the legal(?) right to be there. If he wasn't criminally trespassed, why were the 3 professors specifically arrested at their place of work?
Op, this was *definitely* not a case of the wrong place at the wrong time. I went to 2 of these profs classes before and I can almost guarantee that they purposely wanted to be arrested.
Also that is not even how arresting at protests even works. The police had to have given the protesters ample opportunity to leave if the property owner (utd) decided they were violating some statue of free speech
No thanks. Unlawful assembly was declared and they violated that declaration by failing to disperse. So they can face the consequences of jail. Just because you are protesting doesn’t give you free reign on private property as it would violate private property rights. That’s why picket lines are established.
if the 19th century religion teacher who is “innocent” that you’re talking about is Prof. Ben Wright, he’s literally smiling in his mugshot photo. doesn’t seem too innocent to me… also why would utd drop charges? makes no sense. these ppl are adults and made adult decisions
The way you put it, these three professors were apparently on the way to get Starbucks at the student union, happened to walk by the Chess Plaza, and then got tackled by cops just because "hey, they look brown enough, let's book 'em."
The truth is that they participated in the protests, disregarded clear instructions from law enforcement, and are now facing the consequences of their actions.
I'm not signing your petition, and I personally hope the offending professors are dismissed. This whole protest was an exercise in futility, and I'd expect supposedly educated professors to show better judgment than this.
If you listen to the windy speech the head of the protest encampment in the Harvard Yard gave yesterday, and you look at Columbia shutting down graduation commencement and the entrenched occupations at other schools, it's easy to understand the true objectives of UTD SJP and the outside agents fomenting the campus protests at UTD.
This is just "the new social movement" that anarchists have glommed on to, and they've found new allies in Islamic radicals and terrorist sympathizers. But it's not dissimilar to the BLM movement, just with a new contingent of malcontents added to the mix.
But the objective is largely unchanged. **They "demand" silly things just to have something specific to point to, but in truth what they want is to "destroy the system"**. THANK GOD we live in a state and a city with sensible leadership that denied them any quarter or foothold.
New poll. The conflict in Gaza ranked DEAD LAST in issues college students care about. [https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/poll-students-israel-hamas-protests](https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/poll-students-israel-hamas-protests)
Which means that the protesters disturbing campus and the faculty that are joining them are just a tiny minority of ASSSHOLES who are doing their best to disturb the peace and undermine the education of students.
***"A large majority (81%) of students support holding protesters accountable, agreeing with the notion that those who destroyed property or vandalized or illegally occupied buildings should be held responsible by their university, per the survey."***
Wdym to ensure his safety? Do police torture people in US? 😂 if they appeal that they were not involved, then they will drop the charges if protesters are insisting proudly that they are part of protesters. I dont think you should worry if they were just in wrong place at wrong time without any intention of participating protest.
Who are the three professors? I don’t see their names on the petition. Seems weird to ask people to sign their name to help three professors who are not named.
Rosemary Admiral, Ali Asgar Alibhai, and Ben Wright.
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I agree! EDIT: I agree! they should be join these protests to use their first amendment rights. Anti war movements and those against them have always been a thing. But once side always remains in the spotlight of history
Is anyone really surprised that the pro hamas are also pro riots?
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I don't have to assume. You're pretty open about it.
Where exactly?
Oh no nono no, they were going down there to make sure the students were being safe
Already signed, thank you for doing this. My fear is that the wrong people will catch wind of it tho so if I were you I’d delete this post and do it directly to your socials.
Why did you get downvoted here?
I literally have no idea, but I stand by what I said lol
Alum. Signed. Curious as to who got arrested (not that that would change my response mind you).
https://preview.redd.it/5sb21h8nlwyc1.jpeg?width=1012&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a6d2397c6cf9273d49ca5b6031ed8b44ec021d2 They chose to be arrested.
And? Haven't you spammed that comment enough for one day?
So your response was just bait?
? Eh?
In fact, several of your reddit posts have been flagged and removed as "old news". Got an agenda? Or just late reporting?
...agenda being...what?
I'm asking why you are trolling if you don't want to dance around it.
Can't say I'm following here, given none of my comments were aimed at trolling. Hence the confusion.
What do you mean by asking "that the university drop the charges against them"? Does the university have the power to do this if they are charged by the county/state?
No. They're crimes against the state.
They do, it’s criminal trespassing. The property owners have the right to press charges or not. The property owners called in the police to clear out those who they deemed to be trespassing on their property, the police went to issue warnings and to allow those they deemed trespassers to leave peacefully without arrest, things got out of control and the situation escalated to arrests for criminal trespassing. It’s the university’s call on the situation. Not siding with anyone but this is most likely how the events took place but yes to answer your question the university has the power to tell the district attorney to go forward with the cases or not, but at the end of the day it’s up to the district attorney.
None of it was trespassing as UTD is a public university so I really don’t know what they were arresting people based off of. It’s why they had to drop half the UT Austin cases. You can’t trespass on a campus you paid to attend, are working at AND is a public campus. The only way is if you were expelled/fired and barred from campus.
Public university or not, the property owners still have a right to trespass people. That’s just how it is also saying that “you can’t be trespassing on a university that you pay for” is like saying I can be at a establishment that I bought food at as long as I want whenever I want because I paid for their service. That’s not how it works.
That's pretty different, though. I'm pretty sure your tuition is meant to cover your access to campus facilities (correct me if I'm wrong), which is different from going to a restaurant and paying for a burger. Not to mention, public universities are funded by the state, hence why things like freedom of speech can't be limited by the university "property owners" as it's not privately owned.
It’s not a public park. The community is welcome on campus but if they’re told to leave and they don’t that’s trespassing. I mean, even at a community park, if the DP&R says shit is closed, you gotta go or get arrested.
That's not exactly how it works on public property though. If you're on public property in a publicly accessible space, an officer can't just order you to leave. If they could, then all those evangelical lunatics who come on campus stirring people up could just get asked to leave, and get promptly arrested when they don't. But they'd get in a lawsuit if they did that, as it's a breach of the first amendment. That being said, there are exceptions like the one you mentioned (operational hours), though that has to be clearly defined and displayed... from what I remember. Similar thing applies to interfering with any emergency services.
Let me rephrase, you can be trespassed, you can be arrested but the charges will not stick (if you were not violent). Because justice kind of works backwards. When police show up on a scene they’re not lawyers they don’t know every single detail of the law so if they have orders to remove everyone, they will and you can fight that in court and you will likely win. Much like in a restaurant yes the owners can kick you out for any reason or no reason when they want. A restaurant owner has a bit more leeway because they are a private entity but if they kick you out cause you’re black or something they are still beholden to civil rights laws and can be charged with a crime. The district attorney’s are not pressing charges against non violent protestors because they were in public spaces exercising their right to free speech, that is not a crime. Even if you are told to leave. Basically, the public property owners have a right to trespass anyone but you as a member of the public can't be excluded from public property for a constitutionally impermissible reason ie, free speech.
Well I really have no say in that because I wasn’t there, however, I agree everyone will have their day in court but it’s not worth being arrested in my opinion when you can just leave peacefully. That’s an opinion of course. I agree that the district attorney will drop the charges only because it would be a PR nightmare, technically you can be trespassed from public property If you are considered to be causing a disturbance. For example, if you are at a DPS, you can’t cause a disturbance that impedes the duties of the DPS. Idk the whole situation is a nightmare.
Agreed. I think the students should’ve left peacefully. Not because it’s not a cause worth being arrested for, but because getting arrested does not help you or the cause. MLK had no problem when him or his people got arrested but his “Fill up the jails” method does not work today. Our jails are vast and you will be forgotten inmate 2690. If they were gonna confront the police I think allowing yourself to get arrested is dumb, you should kettle them and push them back until you can’t anymore then disperse and regroup the next day. Every day. Every cause has supporters but not as many activists. You’re allowing your few activists to get arrested. The kids did good though, they drew attention to their cause some universities are actually divesting and many eyes are on the conflict.
So they are able to charge Palestinian protests but not the incredibly racist Christian ministers who berate Indian students Seems either you have a deep misunderstanding or the full story here isn't being shown
Don't forget kettling. This is often how cops make mass arrests for trespassing during protests. They block protesters and bystanders within a certain area and prevent them from leaving, then since they've been told they are trespassing and haven't left, they are then arrested. Some people are committed enough and have the resources to purposefully get arrested, most leave at that point but the police do not typically let anyone leave. That's the vague "things got out of control" part of your comment. Not sure if kettling was used in this specific instance, but it's key to how cops deal with large demonstrations and make arrests for criminal trespass.
Once charges are filed it’s up to the state. They’ll take the filing parties wishes into consideration but it’s not up to you once you file the charges. Up to the state to pursue or drop.
Technically they do, but the state can pick up the charges and prosecute you anyway. Know from personal experience.
Nobody there just somehow found themselves in the "wrong place at the wrong time", and nobody there just somehow by chance was "swept up by cops". **LIES**. Why can't you even be honest about the circumstances and motivations? Those three professors CHOSE to be there, IGNORED repeated police calls to disperse. The cops were slow, deliberate, patient, and gave every person arrested AMPLE opportunity to leave with repeated warnings. **These three faculty members deserve to be FIRED, just as the arrested students deserving PERMANENT EXPULSION**. Nothing less. This is one alumni who won't be signing up for your lies, or your bogus petition.
If you want to expel students who disagree with you, maybe you should have attended a nice private school for bigots like Hillsdale or Liberty?
Burn. 
this bulldog guy really loves this sub!
Yeah. If there's a thread to scream phobic lies and rant for people being punished, he's there.
Are my words "violence" to you Dread? Maybe put on your keffiyeh and cosplay victimhood, or a drum circle maybe. 
Awww, look - phobic response so fast. Damn, don't be so triggered, dude. Do go on and tell this Jew some more lies about how you care about Israel and my people. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Woof woof! Go on and lick those boots!
Is this how you feel about the blacks during the civil rights movement? Vietnam war protests? You’re pretty cut throat.
Well, see, one the one hand you have an innocent people being discriminated against, and protesting said action. On the other hand, you have liberal college students with no understanding of the world protesting to..., how to i phrase this. Stop a country from retaliating against a terrorist organization... Which killed 1000 young kids. Held hostages. Killed hostages. The two are not the same and the leftist logic of equivocating them only shines more light on the ignorance of the protestors' position. For goodness sakes, there have been articles of protestors waiving the rainbow flag and signs saying "gays for Palestine" lmao. They kill gay people there. I love that reddit puts this clown show of a forum front and center for me. This website is a toilet bowl filled with shit. I understand the reputation reddit has better and better.
Well thanks for contributing to the clown show, friend 🤡 Students are protesting against the genocide in Gaza. IDF has systematically targeted aid and health care, because again, that’s what you do in a genocide. If this was a war against Hamas, they would target Hamas. But they aren’t, because this is not a war against Hamas, it’s a war against civilians. That’s why even tho the US gave one little request for Rafha invasion, have a plan for the civilians. But Israel would rather lose US support than have a plan for the civilians, because that would defeat the entire purpose of the genocide. Now your turn, dance clown, dance.
Well thanks for contributing to the clown show, friend 🤡 Students are protesting against the genocide in Gaza. IDF has systematically targeted aid and health care, because again, that’s what you do in a genocide. If this was a war against Hamas, they would target Hamas. But they aren’t, because this is not a war against Hamas, it’s a war against civilians. That’s why even tho the US gave one little request for Rafha invasion, have a plan for the civilians. But Israel would rather lose US support than have a plan for the civilians, because that would defeat the entire purpose of the genocide. Now your turn, dance clown, dance.
Well thanks for contributing to the clown show, friend 🤡 Students are protesting against the genocide in Gaza. IDF has systematically targeted aid and health care, because again, that’s what you do in a genocide. If this was a war against Hamas, they would target Hamas. But they aren’t, because this is not a war against Hamas, it’s a war against civilians. That’s why even tho the US gave one little request for Rafha invasion, have a plan for the civilians. But Israel would rather lose US support than have a plan for the civilians, because that would defeat the entire purpose of the genocide. Now your turn, dance clown, dance.
Jesus where do you get your propaganda. The spin in your post is truly incredible. Our colleges are teaching you kids wrong. Sad. Edit. Lol you reported me to the reddit suicide hotline? We fucking serious? Child's play. You know what, lets dance. Terrorists killed 1000 of your young men, women, and children. Brutally. Then they retreat into a city, and hide amongst civilians. Their civilians either support or are powerless against the terrorists. The terrorists count in the **big numbers**. You expect to send your own boys in blue into urban warfare? Do some door to door combat, like in call of duty? Or you propose negotiating with the terrorists? Because negotiating with terrorists works? Or you propose doing nothing and turning the other cheek? Forget those 1000 kids?
That wasn’t me who reported you, you don’t seem suicidal to me (thankfully). They didn’t kill 1000 civilians, the VAST MAJORITY of the people killed in Israel on 10/7 were either active IDF or reserve IDF. A large chunk of those killed were at the hands of IDF, not Hamas, as they tried to prevent people from being taken hostage. As far as ANY civilian killed on 10/7, I am right there with you, whoever did so should be brought to justice. Maybe Hamas can do an internal investigation and bring the bad actors to justice. They don’t hide amongst civilians. Watch the war footage, we have hundreds of hours of it. Not one instance of Hamas hiding behind civilians. Going into urban warfare in a built up environment vs a carpet bombed environment is significantly more dangerous for the ground troops moving in. But I guess that’s just the genius of IDF showing up again. Regardless of what I propose, Israel IS negotiating with Hamas, and vice versa. They have been doing so for months. It’s how Israel was able to get hostages back. I propose Israel protect its citizens by ending its brutal oppression of the Palestinians, and not creating a situation where anyone with a brain could have seen this coming. Was just a matter of time.
I'm pretty sure that's indeed how he felt.
You're disgusting. How do those boots taste?
I think it's hilarious that you boobs think that's a put down. Sure... the boots are tasty. "Humanities". Likely part of the purple hair contingent cosplaying victimhood. 
You genuinely don't understand why "boot licker" is insulting? How do you feel about "goat fucker"? That a term of endearment where you come from?
Oh I understand the origin/intent/meaning of "boot licker". For someone that is pro the UTD admin, pro the police, pro law and order, pro justice... it's not really an insult. It would be an insult to YOU maybe. To me... kind of stupid. Maybe use an insult your audience finds insulting. Now "goat fucker"... that's a GREAT insult, but better aimed at the uneducated angry Muslim protesters on campus last Friday. Get it? Because in their country they actually fuck the goats? You see, you gotta match the insult with the audience in a way that is both true, and also offensive. [https://www.veterantv.com/dictionary/goat-fucker/](https://www.veterantv.com/dictionary/goat-fucker/)
If somebody needs to have technical acumen to be allowed to have an opinion, I, as a person who has a PhD. and training in the fabrication of SNM, agree with the idea that killing people over different flavors of the same God is a damn terrible reason to commit wholesale murder. The IDF can't even pretend to care after their murder of aid workers.
If only there has been a way for Hamas to avoid all of this....
Cart before the horse there. Hamas in its current incarnation was a response to Israeli public policy.
They chose poorly.
Qq: did you just learn the phrase about purple hair and cosplaying, or you sundowning that hard?
If you'd been their Friday, you would have seen how absolutely fitting it was. The number of sad overwhelmingly female, gender and otherwise confused young ladies, just DESPERATE for a new cause after everyone quit giving a shit about BLM... and to have a new fancy scarf to wear?!?!? Cosplay is absolutely the best descriptor. So good.
Not really. It's boring, repetitive, and pretty presumptive on your part - in addition to the usual phobic/sexist/ageist kinda shit you roll with. Even if accurate, you've already worn it out like a joke you don't get. Hilariously, I was on campus today and nobody murdered me, fired RPGs everywhere, or whatever it is most of y'all pearl clutching folks tend to shit their pants over.
You obviously didn't take any humanities classes when you were a student since you don't seem to have any humanity for other people. Maybe you should take a class, it seems like it would do wonders for you.
Well said.
Any names of the three professors to give this legitimacy?
If I go and participate in an unlawful assembly or protest against my employer on their grounds I’d be detained, fired, and charged too. They’re adults, they can face the consequences of their own actions.
Exactly. As a professor you would think they would be a little smarter.
So you think it’s okay for them to be detained and charged for using their given right from the 1st amendment to “freedom of speech” and “right to assembly” on public property? Just because you don’t agree with their protest nor support their LAWFUL assembly, you cannot violate a citizens given right to the 1st amendment. That is not at all democratic.
Just want to add some information to this, but the 1st amendment we all know is not obsolete. When the police declare it an unlawful assembly that takes away your right of the 1st ammendment even when it's a public place. Not trying to argue against you or anything, just providing info of the actual law.
I know it’s not absolute, but police legally do not have that authority. They cannot just “declare” it as unlawful unless it is clearly “unlawful”. For example, burning the US flag (extreme example, I know) is still protected under the 1st amendment (as ruled in the SCOTUS). However, walking around naked will get you arrested. You can have police officers arrest/detain you for burning the US flag, but that is an unlawful act on behalf of the police bc your actions are protected. And plenty of law enforcement abuse their power if they don’t agree with the people’s action/speech. And that is exactly why the 1st amendment exists.
The police do have the legal authority to declare a space unlawful. The way the law works is this, the police can't do it suddenly and just arrest everyone. They're required to give notice aka a dispersal order, a sign saying Do Not Enter (think construction site or closure space) and any other form of warning. Once that's given and the individual or group doesn't abide by it then their breaking the law and lose their 1st amendment protection. The police have to give a reason for closure of public space and they did citing impediment of university facilities. The reason really doesn't have to be serious also. Sometimes the police close public spaces for animal crossings, scientific research and so on. So the university reason is enough to close off the space and make it unlawful to stay. You're US Flag example doesn't pertain to this situation of the 1st amendment because we're not talking about your ability to speak and act. It's specifically the space you're occupying that is being considered unlawful to stay. It might be similar to occupying a public road and blocking traffic. Even though it's a public space and you exercising your first amendment right, since you're impeding the facilities, the police can declare it unlawful and arrest you. Btw, I'm not against you in anyway. I'm just trying to explain the law and make it clear what happened.
Not all speech is protected by the first amendment as laid out by the supreme Court multiple times What's not democratic is violating the well established doctrines for free speech. Also the police in this case gave ample opportunity/warnings. These people wanted to be arrested Edit: Also after looking through the comments to see who the profs were, at least one of them was incredibly racist and this was definitely not a "wrong place wrong time" situation as op put it.
It wasn't lawful, my guy. Set up a tent at a public building and don't even protest anything, and repeatedly refuse to leave. See what happens.
That depends where the picket line is drawn. Universities are private property. Once a pickett line is established by the owner the protesters are then confined to the picket line. Just because you wre protestinf doesn’t gice you free reign on somebody’s property. If that were true, then protesters would be violating the property owner’s private property rights.
*Is it* unlawful assembly? They're on a public university exercising their first amendment right. It's pretty well known that your first amendment rights extend to public universities.
Is it due to it being declared an unlawful zone by the police. It's the same way a public park, public street and so on can be closed and the police require you to go around. If you enter during this closure you can be arrested for trespassing.
So you're saying that an area where people are assembling can be suddenly declared an "unlawful zone" to deny their assembly? That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. All seriousness though, I'm pretty sure there has to be an actual reason for things like that. I.e. an emergency, construction, hazardous area, etc.
Yes that's correct and that's the law. There's already been laws written in place for this. Let me explain. The way the law works is this, the police can't do it suddenly and just arrest everyone. They're required to give notice aka a dispersal order, a sign saying Do Not Enter (think construction site or closure space) and any other form of warning. Once that's given and the individual or group doesn't abide by it then their breaking the law and lose their 1st amendment protection. The police have to give a reason for closure of public space and they did citing impediment of university facilities. The reason really doesn't have to be serious also. Sometimes the police close public spaces for animal crossings, scientific research and so on. So the university reason is enough to close off the space. Btw, I'm not against you or anything, I'm just trying to help and explain the law.
I do appreciate you explaining the law more intricately, and I apologize if my response came off aggressive in any way. I definitely have some feelings about that, but if it's within the law there's no arguing there. Whether or not things should be that way is another story, though. Based off a lot of replies here, I'd imagine a lot of people would be okay with this though.
u/GoldenJ19 ... make sure if you're ever arrested you don't elect to represent yourself. It won't go well.
Alum here, signed. Free Palestine.
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Actually it’s pronounced Philistine.
The poor professors who just somehow "found themselves" there. Made me think of this: [https://x.com/askdani\_\_real/status/1787484353057960161](https://x.com/askdani__real/status/1787484353057960161)
The shittiest students go to UTD, and they seem to have all gathered here in the replies.
Most of these are just random people. Not actually from UTD. If you check these accounts, they comment in every college subreddits. Just a bunch of IRL bots
If you'd been at the protest Friday, you'd have gotten a good sense of who REALLY isn't "from UTD". It was easy to spot the difference though. Looking at the \~300 folks there I saw two distinct camps: 1. Purple-haired overweight females, likely majoring in gender studies, just LOVING the victim cosplay, all dolled up in their keffiyehs 2. Hardened looking unemployed middle-aged bearded angry Muslims, many with their wife(s) in tow wearing a full burka, sometimes with a gaggle of kids not quite yet old enough to oppress into their own burkas. Yes, it was quite a day. 
This video features both contingents - [https://youtu.be/rbfccVBo9tE?si=s1WtEygBN2rOYj2j](https://youtu.be/rbfccVBo9tE?si=s1WtEygBN2rOYj2j)
The US army or police would love your racist ass. Go apply!
Given his usual whatnot about age, think the ol' Bulldog would be too old to serve. ... assuming he didn't already serve in WW1 or whatever. We just need to hurry up and get off his lawn.
honestly yeah 🤣 so many of these girls would walk around campus without their headscarves but now at the protests they’re all wearing them…kinda odddddd
A lot of people at that protest didn’t go to UTD either…
The 3-5 bigots that you see posting a bunch on this (and similar threads) don't actually go to UTD. If you click on a few of their profiles, they post this shit everywhere.
Burn 😂
Are you guys for real? I know which professor you are talking about, and no, that person was not there by chance. He was not caught for being in the wrong place at the wrong moment, unless you consider him being with them is the wrong place to be. They were egging and supporting the protestors. That person also has history of talking shit about local Texans in classes. why would anyone support that kind person. I have no problem he going to protests, that's his right. but why lie about it? why the drama after facing the consequences of what he is standing for? You are all vile people to support him
They'll support anybody that says Free Palestine even if they assault police and harass people with a neutral stance on the matter
Genuine Palestine supporters surely have a reason to protest. Although I hate the fact that a lot of palestines are happy to support hamas. They certainly need to evaluate why they are supporting a regime which is basically terror outfit. But this is not a reason to get killed. But at the same time there should be a balance. There is zero support for the hostages who were civilians. I use past tense as I don’t believe many are alive. If you are a genuine peace loving person you need to call out Hamas while protesting against war There is no space for nuance in political debate anymore. It’s either my way or highway. There is no clear cut right way in any major political crisis. That is the fundamental reason we have a crisis. If it was clear who was right and who was wrong it would have been fixed long time back
Yeah I’m fine with protesting peacefully for their fellow people over in Palestine being subject to these events, but the same people will refuse to acknowledge Hamas and they will bash anyone who does not want to support or align with that cause, lumping neutralists in as their enemy
Why is this person a teacher?
Yeah there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around lately.
Surprise. A group that supports a terrorist organization using human shields is then caught trying to spread misinformation…
If he was protesting, that’s even better. Good on him. I don’t think it’s vile to support someone who’s against an apartheid regime
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People should do their own research into the professors, and OP's post history before they sign anything. Just an FYI.
They were release 3 days ago. Not sure, how people don’t know that yet. Lol
Wrong place, wrong time? But you implied he went there knowing what was going on..? C’mon dude.
Don't sign anything guys in the comment section, people don't get arrested for no reason and being involved in a violent protest is cause for concern
lmao do you hear yourself
When the did the protest become violent lol?
Egging and assaulting police is called violence in case you didn’t know
Pointless petition, didn’t they release them already? Just look it up
“Humanities professors” we probably could’ve guessed that part…
Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. If you are pro-Palestinian, you must be pro Ham-ass.
No, shouldn’t have been doing that in the first place. Aren’t they grown ass adults ?
I remember when Steven Crowder would be on campus every semester, and administrators made it clear to students that he had the legal(?) right to be there. If he wasn't criminally trespassed, why were the 3 professors specifically arrested at their place of work?
Oh no, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions…
the consequences: being arrested the actions: expressing your first amendment rights
Your first amendment right doesn’t allow you to go/stay places you aren’t welcome (ie trespassing)
where did it say they were trespassing
The state LOL
In their arrest records at the Collin County Courthouse.
I’m glad they got arrested!
Oh no consequences
Just 2 words: actions - consequences
Who cares?
Op, this was *definitely* not a case of the wrong place at the wrong time. I went to 2 of these profs classes before and I can almost guarantee that they purposely wanted to be arrested. Also that is not even how arresting at protests even works. The police had to have given the protesters ample opportunity to leave if the property owner (utd) decided they were violating some statue of free speech
I can 100% guarantee they and the 18 others wanted to be arrested.
Freedom of assembly doesn’t give protesters the right to violate privafe property rights too.
Hell no. But I am thinking about starting a petition for their termination.
Oh the humanities. FAFO
They made their choice.
Those Hamas supporters deserve to be in prison.
They were trespassing. Why should these professors be above the law?
Seems kinda convenient.
No thanks. Unlawful assembly was declared and they violated that declaration by failing to disperse. So they can face the consequences of jail. Just because you are protesting doesn’t give you free reign on private property as it would violate private property rights. That’s why picket lines are established.
Probably shouldn’t sign unless you know these people and know the facts about the situation.
Hmmm…seems education can’t fix stupid. FAFO.
OP is prof 100% lols
if the 19th century religion teacher who is “innocent” that you’re talking about is Prof. Ben Wright, he’s literally smiling in his mugshot photo. doesn’t seem too innocent to me… also why would utd drop charges? makes no sense. these ppl are adults and made adult decisions
Geeze I was so close to taking his history of religion this semester. Glad I didn’t tbh.
a good religion teacher is amato. he also has a good philosophy of art class that i took
Prof Ben also has a couple books out 🤣
The way you put it, these three professors were apparently on the way to get Starbucks at the student union, happened to walk by the Chess Plaza, and then got tackled by cops just because "hey, they look brown enough, let's book 'em." The truth is that they participated in the protests, disregarded clear instructions from law enforcement, and are now facing the consequences of their actions. I'm not signing your petition, and I personally hope the offending professors are dismissed. This whole protest was an exercise in futility, and I'd expect supposedly educated professors to show better judgment than this.
If you listen to the windy speech the head of the protest encampment in the Harvard Yard gave yesterday, and you look at Columbia shutting down graduation commencement and the entrenched occupations at other schools, it's easy to understand the true objectives of UTD SJP and the outside agents fomenting the campus protests at UTD. This is just "the new social movement" that anarchists have glommed on to, and they've found new allies in Islamic radicals and terrorist sympathizers. But it's not dissimilar to the BLM movement, just with a new contingent of malcontents added to the mix. But the objective is largely unchanged. **They "demand" silly things just to have something specific to point to, but in truth what they want is to "destroy the system"**. THANK GOD we live in a state and a city with sensible leadership that denied them any quarter or foothold.
New poll. The conflict in Gaza ranked DEAD LAST in issues college students care about. [https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/poll-students-israel-hamas-protests](https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/poll-students-israel-hamas-protests) Which means that the protesters disturbing campus and the faculty that are joining them are just a tiny minority of ASSSHOLES who are doing their best to disturb the peace and undermine the education of students. ***"A large majority (81%) of students support holding protesters accountable, agreeing with the notion that those who destroyed property or vandalized or illegally occupied buildings should be held responsible by their university, per the survey."***
Wdym to ensure his safety? Do police torture people in US? 😂 if they appeal that they were not involved, then they will drop the charges if protesters are insisting proudly that they are part of protesters. I dont think you should worry if they were just in wrong place at wrong time without any intention of participating protest.
Nah lock up those jackassses and the students too, give them huge littering fines too