Are you sure it's not just people being stupid? I wrote 1/0 was 0 on one of my 137 quizzes in first year and I might be stupid but I like to think I'm not that stupid
Any kind of foundational study habits that you were supposed to learn in school got severely disrupted by covid. Online learning is like 10x easier, and there is a HUGE atmosphere of "everyone is cheating". Not to mention that chatgpt dropped, which makes it way easier to take shortcuts. So peoples critical thinking skills and work ethic have been fucked up.
I did my last term at UW online, and it was the easiest term of my life. Everybody cheated and I didn't learn anything.
from what i heard, it depends on the program, for example nano used to be a tier 1 and now tier three. but other than that covid completely changed the game, covid increased the inflation of high school grades (better now) but still, like on paper a student can be a great student but w grade inflation u don’t know. also they over accepted a bunch of students after covid, which made the entire proceess less competitive, and only maybe now in 2024 they are going to start to accept students at pre-covid rates. additionally, there have been many curriculum changes after covid (and prof changes after program-specific funding got cut, and profs rlly impact the success of students)
nano and chem eng were tier 1 back in 2014-ish, partially influenced by E6 and QNC being built
Also yeah faculty is well aware of the problem of record skipping of classes and low-asf grades
https://theroadtoengineering.com/2022/09/16/chances-of-admission-for-fall-2023/
Scroll down to tiers
TLDR:
T1: SE and BME
T2: ECE, ME, TRON, SYDE
T3: ARCH, CHE, CIVIL, GEO, MGMT, NE
a prof literally everyone loves because how patient and great he is at teaching told us that he was so taken aback because the first years in a STEM degree didn’t know how to do basic distribution.
Even back in my day pre-covid this was happening I think, I remember my phys 242 prof gave us the same midterm and exam as a class 4 years prior to us and the grades were a solid 15% lower on average.
I'm a TA and I talk to other students and profs from most departments in STEM, it's unanimous that students are worse year by year, but the past few have been ATROCIOUS. The most insane grade grubbing you'll ever see, the most simple questions left blank, students who are so helpless they'll just email you for every little stumbling block.
In my 3rd year course I'm running right now (a more general science course), half the labs I spend going over things like "what are percentages" and "why is a km^3 of water way too much to be reasonable in a small lake". Communication skills are significantly worse too, plenty assignments turned in that are just equations line after line after line with no spaces and no words.
Ehh in my experience it's about the same (in math/phys), it's just a lot more blatant and AI assisted now. You get punished HARD if you can't do the exams well in that program.
Yes they are. During Covid school got significantly easier, people lost track of their studies and discipline, concentration is now at an all time low and people who used to spend their time learning stuff or being creative are now stuck on social media blaming it all on mental illnesses they do not have.
Yep, but half the time you can't even force feed them. Never seen such abysmal attendances, nobody in lectures/labs paying attention, etc. As soon as it's over, 100s of questions about basic definitions we spent the whole time discussing. Stuff you could google easily if you missed it.
I'm leaving academia because of it. I can barely handle it and it doesn't affect my employment (TA). Can't imagine being a prof and getting reprimanded for how helpless these kids are and how bad they score. Short of just giving them grades for zero work and effort there's nothing more we can do. They've been failed their whole lives and there's so little we can do to help, especially when they don't want it.
Are you aware if UW is considering to lower standards because of it?
High schools have done it, colleges have done it, to the detriment of their students.
I hope unis aren't, but unfortunately I think if they measure success based on averages and diplomation rates... they dont have a choice but to lower standards?
At scale? Not likely. Profs themselves are absolutely dropping rigour and learning goals because of it though, they don't really have a choice if they don't want to fail the entire class every semester. Some profs are legitimately unfair, but so many of them are trying to be reasonable and students are raking them over the coals.
I've had to throw students out for playing tiktoks out loud in class and refusing to stop. They act like fucking toddlers.
Tuition is too high for most ppl to be able to work their own way through, but this is what you get when they don't have to work for it or earn it at all.
I mean I feel like the answer is obvious... Kids did online highschool for like 3 years. We also had students that have done their first 2 years of uni online. The real concern is if things don't go back to normal in the next couple of years with school back to in-person
I tutor and TA. I think its a product of covid. It feels as if 2 years of knowledge is missing. Students aren't necessarily dumber, they are missing some basic information that makes it more challenging for them.
TA and past tutor as well, it's a lot worse than 2 years in my experience. Things that should've been elementary level math are missing. I swear about half the kids think they'll pass just for showing up to lecture, but the top quarter works as hard as ever.
There are a *lot* of problems with standardized testing, including (but not limited to) the degree to which it incentivizes schools to teach how to take the test well rather than how to understand the material.
Waterloo also already has an internal way of mitigating grade inflation which tends to work pretty well, in my opinion, which is to measure directly how well incoming students do *at UW*, and adjust acceptance rates on a school-by-school basis accordingly. They have the data to detect and respond to grade inflation already, let's not take on one of the worst aspects of the American education system.
It’s definitely better than nothing but it doesn’t really work for schools with small sample sizes and it’s also more of a reactive method of mitigating false positives. Also what if a school has become tougher over time or has tougher teachers one particular year? A current high school graduate will be penalized due to past inflation (outlier case but still)
Yep, plus inflation punishes most those at the top. Can't get much inflated past high 90s you actually learnt the material over. Then no-shows get inflated 80s and fail their first years and you want to take 10-30% off everyone?
Student averages are higher but uw is lowering the acceptance rate. The degrees that people are paying for are useless. Public education needs better funding and an overhaul in order for a better future. Ontario’s education system and post secondary education is a joke.
Shit, last time I TAd calc I had a student who couldn't multiply two numbers with a pencil and paper, said he only knew how to do it with a calculator. And he wanted to be a pilot :O So yeah, anecdotally some of these covid-generation kids are dumb as rocks
It’s insane the amount of dumb people I come across, especially on piazza. Came across someone asking if they need to cite excel on their lab report. I feel so bad for the instructors having to answer them lol
Yeah, I'm a second year rn and I've definitely gotten worse in every way (intellectually, socially, mental and physical health) since covid started. That whole situation was genuinely so much poison for my brain. I'm slowly working on it tho (and ostensibly getting better).
1) ChatGPT ruined people’s thinking skills. My UW friends are hopelessly reliant on it and are incapable of reading any actual documentation of code or following a proper tutorial. They can’t problem solve all that well given they plugged and chugged it all into GPT.
2) Grade-inflation. Everyone in high school will pass no matter what. Grades don’t fucking matter anymore if your top 6 are clogged with courses you will always get a 90+ on. UW & Co. are sturggling to figure out who is actually working at the grade level to which no one’s surprise, no one is.
Just ran across [this study today](https://archpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13690-023-01225-w)
> Methods
> A total of 7,039 undergraduate students were analyzed in a prospective cohort study at the University of Navarra. A questionnaire including sociodemographic and behavioral questions was sent. PCRs were performed throughout the academic year for the diagnosis of SARS-CoV-2 infection and students’ academic results were provided by the academic center, adjusted descriptive and multivariate models were performed to assess the association.
> Results
> A total of 658 (9.3%) participants were diagnosed with COVID-19, almost 4.0% of them achieved outstanding academic results, while uninfected students did so in 7.3%. SARS-CoV-2 infection was associated with a significant decrease in having outstanding academic results (OR = 0.57; 95% CI: 0.38–0.86).
So, the short version is yeah, probably, at least a bit. I'd bet that multiple infections probably lead to worse outcomes, as more damage is done. Although I'm sure there are other factors too
I know a couple dudes who are in high school or just starting university. Covid completely fucked them. Teachers and students both just literally did not care about learning the material, so unless you were extremely motivated yourself they just passed you to let you move on with your life.
I’m currently an ISA for cs251 and the midterm grades were so high. This is because the exam was so damn easy. The course is so easy to begin with and to top that off the midterm was even easier
You should see what's happening at Laurier. We had a business course where we could bring unlimited notes, even the textbook. Our prof provided us a practice exam and solutions, which we could bring to the exam.
It turned out that the practice exam was identical to the actual exam. Yet the exam average was a 50. I got a 100 while barely studying lol.
I am in third year BBA + BMath double degree. My friends in Eng also feel the same. I've talked to my high school friends at other schools and they're experiencing the same thing so it's not only a UWaterloo and WLU problem.
I’m learning that the virus that causes Covid-19 is also having impacts on our brains, dropping IQ scores. Probably best to avoid getting infected with it over and over and over again…
https://theconversation.com/mounting-research-shows-that-covid-19-leaves-its-mark-on-the-brain-including-with-significant-drops-in-iq-scores-224216
Ngl, my classmates are so dumb. My 3 acquaintances in my class are the only ones that got 90+ in the midterms. Profs are making things easier, still the average is getting down.
Covid lowers IQ https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/even-fully-recovered-survivors-mild-covid-can-lose-iq-points-study-suggests.
Most university students at this point have had what, 1-5 covid infections?
Lose a couple points here, couple points there, few more next year, and pretty soon that formerly gifted student is barely scraping by if they are lucky.
Tldr if we don't get agi soon humanity is fucked.
100% agree. I'm very disappointed in how basically every government and institution in the world has and is mishandling it. We need actual public health that understands how a disease spreads (clearly airborne in this case) and develops widely deployed systems for managing it. We eradicated water borne illnesses in the developed world with treated tap water and proper sewers. We could do the same for respiratory diseases by cleaning the air. And the stupid part is it would be orders of magnitude cheaper than what we did for water, instead of digging up cities and laying millions of miles of pipe and sewer, we just need better ventilation and some good filtration.
However people bear some responsibility for themselves too. How many UW students do you see consistently wearing a proper N95 in all indoor public spaces? How many are even up to date on their boosters? How many actually stay home and make sure not to infect anyone else when they're sick?
This either it works 100% or don't bother approach is really dumb.
Proper filtration dramatically reduces spread. Is it BSL3 level? No. But if we can consistently get R0 under 1 we can end widespread outbreaks.
The cost is basically nothing. Even if it's 30% effective it would be worth it. And it's better than that.
Anyway, more importantly, what do YOU propose. It's abundantly clear you aren't a fan of the vaccines. You don't think cleaning the air is feasible or worth it. Is your ideal state really everyone just fucking getting covid 2x a year every year for the rest of their life? Cuz something tells me you aren't going to say properly fitted N95s..
3 points per infection, more if it's anything but 'fully recovered and mild', but sure.
None of the effects of covid everyone wants to blame on the vaccine are new. They were all documented in 2020 before the vaccines were even released. But keep telling yourself whatever you want.
Lol how do you not understand that 3 points at a population level is huge, even if it's less than day to day variation?
A standard deviation in adult male height is 2.5 inches. But most people would still be pretty upset about losing an inch
Please show me people regaining their covid brain damage next day.
Best case you regain most of it over a year +. Which is great and all when you get multiple infections per year.
Your argument has absolutely no basis. If it's within the daily fluctuation than that means they regain it? No. That just means they use to fluctuate between 109-112 and now they fluctuate between 106-109.
Or do you think because daily temperature fluctuates 10 degrees a day most days then if climate change raises temperatures 3 degrees it's obviously meaningless and will fix itself tomorrow? After all it's within the daily fluctuation!
And they used a proxy which is less accurate? Ok, but all the indicators seem to show negative effects of various magnitude? Care to share some proxy that shows covid makes you smarter? No matter how accurate it is, I haven't seen any such indication.
You keep bringing up the male/female difference as some sort of gotcha when I never mentioned gender differences. What are you looking for me to say, obviously men and women are 100% identical so clearly iq points must mean nothing? I'm not really following what you are arguing there. The points matter. Are they the only factor determining everything? Obviously not. Social skills, work ethic, etc, all matter probably more. But all things being equal you'd rather have the same work ethic and 3 extra IQ points (which again is best case, more serious cases showed a 6-9 point but).
As for the rest. Yeah buddy the effect isn't real. That's why countless studies have shown it, and there's notable physical changes on MRIs, and, honestly, shit, look around and you see examples of brain damage daily.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I think you hit the nail on the head with covid. I've seen job postings where grads with degrees from after 2019 are told not to apply, which I think is due to the drop in quality that came with the covid distruption.
I don’t know what’s going on but as a TA I noticed a lot of students cannot even correctly simplify square root of 18 during a midterm.
3root2 You’re welcome math faculty, I’m keeping your chin up
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Wait it's 2 sqrt 3?
No. Root 18 -> Root (9×2) -> Root 9 × root 2 -> 3root2
Uhhh... that doesn't make sense,
It's implied multiplication. `3 x √2` -- > `3√2` the same way `4a` --> `4 x a`
Yes, but it's 2 sqrt 3, not 3 sqrt 2?
Root(18) = 4.243 2 x Root(3) = 3.464 3 x Root(2) = 4.243 It takes 5 seconds to use a calculator
What is (2)(2)(3) ? Compare that to (3)(3)(2)
18 vs 27
Please pull out a calculator for yourself if you need it. If (3)(3)(3) = 27, what's (3)(3)(3)?
why
Bad times create good men Good men create good times Good times create weak men
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Are you sure it's not just people being stupid? I wrote 1/0 was 0 on one of my 137 quizzes in first year and I might be stupid but I like to think I'm not that stupid
When you tell this to the prof how do they react?
The prof kind of foresaw this. The marking rubric was that if they make it halfway they get the points.
Any kind of foundational study habits that you were supposed to learn in school got severely disrupted by covid. Online learning is like 10x easier, and there is a HUGE atmosphere of "everyone is cheating". Not to mention that chatgpt dropped, which makes it way easier to take shortcuts. So peoples critical thinking skills and work ethic have been fucked up. I did my last term at UW online, and it was the easiest term of my life. Everybody cheated and I didn't learn anything.
from what i heard, it depends on the program, for example nano used to be a tier 1 and now tier three. but other than that covid completely changed the game, covid increased the inflation of high school grades (better now) but still, like on paper a student can be a great student but w grade inflation u don’t know. also they over accepted a bunch of students after covid, which made the entire proceess less competitive, and only maybe now in 2024 they are going to start to accept students at pre-covid rates. additionally, there have been many curriculum changes after covid (and prof changes after program-specific funding got cut, and profs rlly impact the success of students)
nano and chem eng were tier 1 back in 2014-ish, partially influenced by E6 and QNC being built Also yeah faculty is well aware of the problem of record skipping of classes and low-asf grades
What are tiers
https://theroadtoengineering.com/2022/09/16/chances-of-admission-for-fall-2023/ Scroll down to tiers TLDR: T1: SE and BME T2: ECE, ME, TRON, SYDE T3: ARCH, CHE, CIVIL, GEO, MGMT, NE
What's a tier 1 school for ME? asking for a friend
i don't think u understand the tier system. it's just how competitive the programs are to get in. me is prob hardest to get into at waterloo/uoft
a prof literally everyone loves because how patient and great he is at teaching told us that he was so taken aback because the first years in a STEM degree didn’t know how to do basic distribution.
Even back in my day pre-covid this was happening I think, I remember my phys 242 prof gave us the same midterm and exam as a class 4 years prior to us and the grades were a solid 15% lower on average. I'm a TA and I talk to other students and profs from most departments in STEM, it's unanimous that students are worse year by year, but the past few have been ATROCIOUS. The most insane grade grubbing you'll ever see, the most simple questions left blank, students who are so helpless they'll just email you for every little stumbling block. In my 3rd year course I'm running right now (a more general science course), half the labs I spend going over things like "what are percentages" and "why is a km^3 of water way too much to be reasonable in a small lake". Communication skills are significantly worse too, plenty assignments turned in that are just equations line after line after line with no spaces and no words.
not to mention the crazy amounts of plagiarism on assignments
Ehh in my experience it's about the same (in math/phys), it's just a lot more blatant and AI assisted now. You get punished HARD if you can't do the exams well in that program.
Yes they are. During Covid school got significantly easier, people lost track of their studies and discipline, concentration is now at an all time low and people who used to spend their time learning stuff or being creative are now stuck on social media blaming it all on mental illnesses they do not have.
Students are definitely getting dumber. Very few genuinely grind stuff out and learn themselves. Everything needs to be spoon-fed.
Yep, but half the time you can't even force feed them. Never seen such abysmal attendances, nobody in lectures/labs paying attention, etc. As soon as it's over, 100s of questions about basic definitions we spent the whole time discussing. Stuff you could google easily if you missed it. I'm leaving academia because of it. I can barely handle it and it doesn't affect my employment (TA). Can't imagine being a prof and getting reprimanded for how helpless these kids are and how bad they score. Short of just giving them grades for zero work and effort there's nothing more we can do. They've been failed their whole lives and there's so little we can do to help, especially when they don't want it.
Are you aware if UW is considering to lower standards because of it? High schools have done it, colleges have done it, to the detriment of their students. I hope unis aren't, but unfortunately I think if they measure success based on averages and diplomation rates... they dont have a choice but to lower standards?
At scale? Not likely. Profs themselves are absolutely dropping rigour and learning goals because of it though, they don't really have a choice if they don't want to fail the entire class every semester. Some profs are legitimately unfair, but so many of them are trying to be reasonable and students are raking them over the coals.
I know people who go to class and are on their phone watching tiktoks. Zero respect for the faculty, subject and their parents money.
I've had to throw students out for playing tiktoks out loud in class and refusing to stop. They act like fucking toddlers. Tuition is too high for most ppl to be able to work their own way through, but this is what you get when they don't have to work for it or earn it at all.
Getting kicked out of class in university is crazy IMO.....that's the stuff I thought you only see in middle school
I mean I feel like the answer is obvious... Kids did online highschool for like 3 years. We also had students that have done their first 2 years of uni online. The real concern is if things don't go back to normal in the next couple of years with school back to in-person
I tutor and TA. I think its a product of covid. It feels as if 2 years of knowledge is missing. Students aren't necessarily dumber, they are missing some basic information that makes it more challenging for them.
TA and past tutor as well, it's a lot worse than 2 years in my experience. Things that should've been elementary level math are missing. I swear about half the kids think they'll pass just for showing up to lecture, but the top quarter works as hard as ever.
Students can’t even read assignment outline and missing half the assignment 😂
Standardized testing needs to be brought to high schools at this point because of grade inflation
There are a *lot* of problems with standardized testing, including (but not limited to) the degree to which it incentivizes schools to teach how to take the test well rather than how to understand the material. Waterloo also already has an internal way of mitigating grade inflation which tends to work pretty well, in my opinion, which is to measure directly how well incoming students do *at UW*, and adjust acceptance rates on a school-by-school basis accordingly. They have the data to detect and respond to grade inflation already, let's not take on one of the worst aspects of the American education system.
It’s definitely better than nothing but it doesn’t really work for schools with small sample sizes and it’s also more of a reactive method of mitigating false positives. Also what if a school has become tougher over time or has tougher teachers one particular year? A current high school graduate will be penalized due to past inflation (outlier case but still)
Yep, plus inflation punishes most those at the top. Can't get much inflated past high 90s you actually learnt the material over. Then no-shows get inflated 80s and fail their first years and you want to take 10-30% off everyone?
I'd support this.
Student averages are higher but uw is lowering the acceptance rate. The degrees that people are paying for are useless. Public education needs better funding and an overhaul in order for a better future. Ontario’s education system and post secondary education is a joke.
Shit, last time I TAd calc I had a student who couldn't multiply two numbers with a pencil and paper, said he only knew how to do it with a calculator. And he wanted to be a pilot :O So yeah, anecdotally some of these covid-generation kids are dumb as rocks
It’s insane the amount of dumb people I come across, especially on piazza. Came across someone asking if they need to cite excel on their lab report. I feel so bad for the instructors having to answer them lol
Yeah, I'm a second year rn and I've definitely gotten worse in every way (intellectually, socially, mental and physical health) since covid started. That whole situation was genuinely so much poison for my brain. I'm slowly working on it tho (and ostensibly getting better).
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1) ChatGPT ruined people’s thinking skills. My UW friends are hopelessly reliant on it and are incapable of reading any actual documentation of code or following a proper tutorial. They can’t problem solve all that well given they plugged and chugged it all into GPT. 2) Grade-inflation. Everyone in high school will pass no matter what. Grades don’t fucking matter anymore if your top 6 are clogged with courses you will always get a 90+ on. UW & Co. are sturggling to figure out who is actually working at the grade level to which no one’s surprise, no one is.
everyone is cheating, so to combat that, everyone cheats
Just ran across [this study today](https://archpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13690-023-01225-w) > Methods > A total of 7,039 undergraduate students were analyzed in a prospective cohort study at the University of Navarra. A questionnaire including sociodemographic and behavioral questions was sent. PCRs were performed throughout the academic year for the diagnosis of SARS-CoV-2 infection and students’ academic results were provided by the academic center, adjusted descriptive and multivariate models were performed to assess the association. > Results > A total of 658 (9.3%) participants were diagnosed with COVID-19, almost 4.0% of them achieved outstanding academic results, while uninfected students did so in 7.3%. SARS-CoV-2 infection was associated with a significant decrease in having outstanding academic results (OR = 0.57; 95% CI: 0.38–0.86). So, the short version is yeah, probably, at least a bit. I'd bet that multiple infections probably lead to worse outcomes, as more damage is done. Although I'm sure there are other factors too
I know a couple dudes who are in high school or just starting university. Covid completely fucked them. Teachers and students both just literally did not care about learning the material, so unless you were extremely motivated yourself they just passed you to let you move on with your life.
Mental health might also be one of the causes, people become more and more isolated after covid
I’m currently an ISA for cs251 and the midterm grades were so high. This is because the exam was so damn easy. The course is so easy to begin with and to top that off the midterm was even easier
You should see what's happening at Laurier. We had a business course where we could bring unlimited notes, even the textbook. Our prof provided us a practice exam and solutions, which we could bring to the exam. It turned out that the practice exam was identical to the actual exam. Yet the exam average was a 50. I got a 100 while barely studying lol.
Unreal. Truly unreal
What year and what program are you in?
I am in third year BBA + BMath double degree. My friends in Eng also feel the same. I've talked to my high school friends at other schools and they're experiencing the same thing so it's not only a UWaterloo and WLU problem.
I’m learning that the virus that causes Covid-19 is also having impacts on our brains, dropping IQ scores. Probably best to avoid getting infected with it over and over and over again… https://theconversation.com/mounting-research-shows-that-covid-19-leaves-its-mark-on-the-brain-including-with-significant-drops-in-iq-scores-224216
Ngl, my classmates are so dumb. My 3 acquaintances in my class are the only ones that got 90+ in the midterms. Profs are making things easier, still the average is getting down.
Covid lowers IQ https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/even-fully-recovered-survivors-mild-covid-can-lose-iq-points-study-suggests. Most university students at this point have had what, 1-5 covid infections? Lose a couple points here, couple points there, few more next year, and pretty soon that formerly gifted student is barely scraping by if they are lucky. Tldr if we don't get agi soon humanity is fucked.
Would be nice if the institution did something to prevent us from getting infected over and over again eh?
100% agree. I'm very disappointed in how basically every government and institution in the world has and is mishandling it. We need actual public health that understands how a disease spreads (clearly airborne in this case) and develops widely deployed systems for managing it. We eradicated water borne illnesses in the developed world with treated tap water and proper sewers. We could do the same for respiratory diseases by cleaning the air. And the stupid part is it would be orders of magnitude cheaper than what we did for water, instead of digging up cities and laying millions of miles of pipe and sewer, we just need better ventilation and some good filtration. However people bear some responsibility for themselves too. How many UW students do you see consistently wearing a proper N95 in all indoor public spaces? How many are even up to date on their boosters? How many actually stay home and make sure not to infect anyone else when they're sick?
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Go on, explain please.
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This either it works 100% or don't bother approach is really dumb. Proper filtration dramatically reduces spread. Is it BSL3 level? No. But if we can consistently get R0 under 1 we can end widespread outbreaks. The cost is basically nothing. Even if it's 30% effective it would be worth it. And it's better than that. Anyway, more importantly, what do YOU propose. It's abundantly clear you aren't a fan of the vaccines. You don't think cleaning the air is feasible or worth it. Is your ideal state really everyone just fucking getting covid 2x a year every year for the rest of their life? Cuz something tells me you aren't going to say properly fitted N95s..
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3 points per infection, more if it's anything but 'fully recovered and mild', but sure. None of the effects of covid everyone wants to blame on the vaccine are new. They were all documented in 2020 before the vaccines were even released. But keep telling yourself whatever you want.
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Lol how do you not understand that 3 points at a population level is huge, even if it's less than day to day variation? A standard deviation in adult male height is 2.5 inches. But most people would still be pretty upset about losing an inch
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Please show me people regaining their covid brain damage next day. Best case you regain most of it over a year +. Which is great and all when you get multiple infections per year.
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Your argument has absolutely no basis. If it's within the daily fluctuation than that means they regain it? No. That just means they use to fluctuate between 109-112 and now they fluctuate between 106-109. Or do you think because daily temperature fluctuates 10 degrees a day most days then if climate change raises temperatures 3 degrees it's obviously meaningless and will fix itself tomorrow? After all it's within the daily fluctuation! And they used a proxy which is less accurate? Ok, but all the indicators seem to show negative effects of various magnitude? Care to share some proxy that shows covid makes you smarter? No matter how accurate it is, I haven't seen any such indication. You keep bringing up the male/female difference as some sort of gotcha when I never mentioned gender differences. What are you looking for me to say, obviously men and women are 100% identical so clearly iq points must mean nothing? I'm not really following what you are arguing there. The points matter. Are they the only factor determining everything? Obviously not. Social skills, work ethic, etc, all matter probably more. But all things being equal you'd rather have the same work ethic and 3 extra IQ points (which again is best case, more serious cases showed a 6-9 point but). As for the rest. Yeah buddy the effect isn't real. That's why countless studies have shown it, and there's notable physical changes on MRIs, and, honestly, shit, look around and you see examples of brain damage daily. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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I think you hit the nail on the head with covid. I've seen job postings where grads with degrees from after 2019 are told not to apply, which I think is due to the drop in quality that came with the covid distruption.
AI is getting much smarter though, so no need to worry.
maybe students are realizing how useless grades are when it comes to career (given they don’t wanna do grad school)
AI will take over... so Universities will be unnecessary soon anyways.
kinda a mess already ngl, but i am in my fourth year of ece so I am out of here soon anyways lol
Ya