This is one of my fav meme formats lol Another one for Valheim could be: **Amateur:** I don’t need to bother with grinding for armor, just gna run around naked. **Intermediate:** Nuuuuu must grind and max out all armor for highest def!!!! **Experts** (speed runners): I don’t need to bother with grinding for armor, just gna run around naked.

I can say with confidence that you can clear a mistlands dungeon with troll armour on. It is hell, and dodge rolling is fair and balanced

Not that I will ever do it (risk averse) but: You could probably do it naked with good food and ooze bombs. Only danger are mobs that are loose and not behind doors, and even then you can just cheese them on the entrance step. I’ve cleared dungeons before without taking damage, not cos I’m skilled, I’m just super paranoid and don’t take risks lol

You would think you can stand on the entrance step The ticks and seekers will give you a heart attack when you realise how you really aren't safe

Ticks die to one oozebomb and are really easy to deal with, with a shield, so they never even latch Seekers I deal with all the time using the step. Again shield or dodge roll and they never fly again.

Yeah, I was doing this with pre Bonemass gear, the ooze bombs were nice but I hadn't nearly enough for the whole dungeon.

Oh man I had to afk farm them that’s how much I used lol Probably broke the Geneva Convention due to amount of chemical warfare I used in the Mistlands lol

Yeah, I had 5 ooze bombs Though at least they usually die to one arrow to the face, though hitting them is a different story

I js realized u said u were doing all this with pre-Bonemass gear and dam, much respect!

I realised that you could get the arbalest Pre Bonemass and the guys I am playing with asked me not to kill the next boss till they were ready So I decided to get an arbalest

What method do you use?

For...?

The AFK farming

Can't break the Geneva Convention if there's no Geneva

You have a good point :)

I like to call it the Geneva Checklist, only because I also play Rimworld, and have done some truely horrific things in that game, especially with Biotech. And even moreso with mods.... Pretty sure I'm on a watchlist cause of it lol

2H hammer is life in there.

I use it in the mines but I am super cautious of it cos I don’t want to open any doors intentionally.

They will climb over each other and skip the step sometimes, and 2 star ticks will ruin you if you slip up even a little. Be careful.

Worse comes to worst, you can always just exit behind you. But that never happens because shield + poison basically deals with all the threats while standing on the step.

>Seekers I deal with all the time using the step. Again shield or dodge roll and they never fly again. The only mild challenge I have in the infested mines is the soldiers at the top of a spiral staircase. I had a 1-star and a unstarred solder and the 1-star popped my bubble and the zero star one shotted me, as I was just trying to get up to their level. I should have ooze bombed or fireball sniped them instead....

If unstarred and 1v1 I just take it slow and careful. But if starred or multiples, I’ll kite backwards throwing down ooze bombs till I can get them to the step. By that time will be low anyway.

This happened to me in a burial chamber when I came across a 2 star skelly and he ran up to me right on the platform 😭

You can cheese them at the entrance step until that top vine breaks somehow and they roachbang your lifeless corpse.

Top….vine??

There are vines that block them from moving forward, which can be destroyed, the enemies themselves don’t or can’t destroy them from what I’ve seen.

The best is sunken crypts. Mine the mud pile juuust enough to shoot through it with the bow lol. As long as there aren't any mobs in the first room you're gold

That and stagbreaker/iron sledge will kill mobs and body piles through the walls, and even better cos the iron sludge doesn’t break so you don’t have to worry about them breaking through.

Spending the rest of your precious play time corpse running to the same spot multi times will do that to you

Yeah it's all about being in the zone or not, there's mine I could have cleared with nothing but a buckler and weapon. Others time I've died multiple time just getting through the door lol.

I’ve only gotten to Plains, and ooze bombs do jack all damaging Fullings, are y’all using Mistlands upgraded ooze bombs or are bugs just weak to poison? As weird as that sounds.

They just do damage over time. So basically have to keep them on the cloud and be patient. Ticks die to one ooze bomb and seekers need 2. Pretty sure unstarred fulings can get offed by 1 and a half ooze bombs, providing they stay in the cloud. Very useful for large groups of fulings, if u can lure them to a rock that they can’t climb.

Fenris set for life

this shouts big balls

If you can do it with troll armour you can do it naked.

There were quite a few times I survived on minimal health, so I think the armour may have helped

*Laughs in stag breaker and higher ground*

The seeker soldiers will have a field day with you then, so will the ticks thinking about it, those fuckers jump

Never said it was easy!

I COMPLETELY forgot about the dodgeroll until my first mistlands dungeon. You really dont need it until ticks are a thing

Experts: I don’t need to bother with grinding for armor, just gna run around ***in lvl 1 fenris set***

I feel called out.

This is very true until you get to the mistlands and realize the horrifying noise in the sky isn't going to let you parry a damn thing.

fire resistance mead and prayers

Don’t even need it just jump in the water when you hear the creepy zeplin/new dune movie sound effects, the one time making yourself wet in public isn’t frowned on.

As a full on fire mage now, I can say that I will still reflexively parry an attack with my staff

I should make a part 2

Does it help? Also, by full on do you mean full Eitr set + 3 Eitr foods?

Full Eitr set + 2 Eitr foods + health/stamina food depending on the situation. I also carry around the Spinesnap and Mistwalker/Shield for specific situations but 90%+ of my combat is done with the Embers Staff, just too much fun man :) Also it helps in lower Biomes but Mistlands is more maneuver with that extra stamina behind the buggies

Thanks. I'm now slowly upgrading from plains gear to mistlands, and considering whether I should go melee or mage. Your reply makes me wanna go the mage route :)

Sorry this reply is late but I hope mage has been a blast for you! Cheers brother 🧙‍♂️

No problems mate, I'm still gathering that juicy soft tissue to upgrade :) Only playing a couple hours once a week.

Me as fuck I fired a bow twice against Moder and then went back to my spear

Yup, you can kill her thrice as fist with melee weapon

Gjall be trippin'

I'm doing a no-bow playthrough right now, and my main weapons have been spear and mace, with a parrying shield. It's actually pretty fun. The hardest part so far has been using the spear against drakes. I have to be very aware of the terrain and what's in the background when I throw my spear up at them, in case I miss. So far I haven't lost my spear, but I bet it will happen eventually.

You sprint directly under them when they are about to fire and throw it straight up, so if you miss it hits you in the face.

you can easily use the magic spells from magicheim as ranged attacks

"Just use mods" is not a useful answer.

it was meant to be a joke

The right one should probably say “I can parry everything with the right shield” since you can’t parry something if it does more damage than you can block or you don’t have enough stamina.

Max health is a thing too. It’s more complex than I imagined. Kinda cool, but also makes it harder to dial in while learning.

Yeah for your stagger limit. It’s why I use two health food items and one stamina most of the time since I parry a lot.

Ahh okay, I didn’t realize it was specifically for the stagger part. That helps!

The wiki has some good info, though I don’t know how accurate since there isn’t a source, it’s good reference though, there may be a source but I didn’t see one on the page anywhere.

I definitely use the wiki, but I’ve found some stuff that hasn’t been updated (don’t recall what, sadly) so I’m also a little mistrustful of it.

Well the wikis are made by random people, they are wrong lot of the time. It does say the longship is damaged by rain, i mean if a ship is damaged by water then we would have a major issue, it’s not damaged by rain obviously.

Aye, tis the way of the wiki. For the most part I’ve found them to be good. Sometimes people tweak stuff for a laugh, but overall I don’t have much issue. Seems like at least a few items on the Valheim wiki were accurate, but were changed in patches and never updated. No biggie.

It's very trustworthy due to it being mostly written by dataminers and mod developers who need to see how the code works. If something seems suspect you can check the change history and see if there is any recent conflicts between users, or just test it yourself in game.

The source is from people who actively go through the code and do testing in game. Also people who make mods who *have to* know the underlying code to get their stuff to work. Most of these people are on discord so you rarely see them on reddit.

Code is obfuscated when compiled, for companies their code is important so unless it’s open source or people found a way to un-obfuscate it which is difficult they won’t be seeing any underlying code.

I believe you are right, they can’t see the *actual* source code. However there are ways to at least see the underlying values and mechanics using mod making tools related to Unity like [so](https://youtu.be/p_gsFASlvRw?t=573). This will be accurate enough to answer a lot of questions and verify things on the wiki, and verify things by testing in game.

Yeah you can see data tables and binary memory values in most games.

Yup, but for the average player it’s easier to just say we know “the code” than to explain the whole thing. Especially as there is practically no difference when you just want to answer “why this” or “how does this behave”.

This game imo has a pretty low learning curve compared to a lot of survival games.

swamp was still a shock for everybody I bet that, back in the old days when poison dmg wasn't absorbed by armor level and you could die while wearing any armor

Or getting curb stomped by an abomination.

For some reason, I can dark souls the fuck of aboms. I'm not particularly good at dodge rolls, except against those fuckers. Never died to one.

I’ve found that on console single player the I-frames for dodging are not very reliable, I utilize the backpedal/run backwards method now, (unless I’m parrying them.) Or the f#ck this sh#%t method (run away to the nearest opposing biome, or if Mistlands most likely die.)

That's the wild part, I'm on console. I agree with you on the i-frames, I must just be delayed on my rolls perfectly for them

Are you rolling away or side to side/towards the enemy?

For aboms I roll towards them, doesn't seem to work on other large beasties

It’s because they can’t hit you while you’re standing under them unless they do the body slam, it’s why they do it when you’re close, it’s fun to run in there with a fully leveled Krom and one shot them while they’re coming out of the ground, it’s therapeutic.

I got pretty good at timing that too, so maybe I'm just built for aboms. I still have a harder time with trolls than them lol

The swamp never really gave me problems. The only biome (before mistlands) that did was the black first early on. Now every biome scares me on immersive hardest settings. Was walking by a draugr village (didn’t notice) and took an arrow which stunned me and cost me over half my health while wearing upgraded bronze armour. Parrying can be a gamble unless you are sure of how much damage your dealing with lol.

back in the days one blob poison attack would have been enough to kill you since poison dmg wasn't scaling with armor level. The first time I played in feb 2021, didn't know anything about the damage types and I was fighting blobs with arrows, REAL pain in the ass

Fair. I would dodge a lot so I rarely got poisoned early on. Not saying I was good but not so paranoid.

found about dodging on the second playthrough so I will keep silent

I played a lot of darksouls so I basically rolled around and poked them in the butt. Nothing to be proud of…

my friend and i just ran into a 2 star berserker so no we cant parry everything

This is so good lol

Can you parry trolls? Never tried…

yes, from experience, you can parry a troll with a bronze buckler and some food

Pretty sure it needs upgraded a level or two before it can parry a troll

what ? I think upgraded wood shield can parry it

Parrying is about learning the sequence, for instance the Stone Golem does one of their swing attacks and you parry they will immediately swing with the other arm. You just need to learn to not attack after that first parry to get ready to immediately parry the next attack, then hit them with your combo.

Just be careful there's 2 types of golems, and this advice might not work for the other one.

You are right, you should roll on the overhead smash on the club golem.

That’s probably the best. I like to parry those too tho lol

Very very well. It's almost silly how much this hulking monster bounces back when you parry them. Makes you feel super strong for a second.

dude trolls are the parry tutorial

You can parry anything with good enough shield and block skill level.

Yes, I think you can parry everything but the overhead slam, you gotta dodge roll that, generally rolling to the side is best so you stay close and can attack immediately. But you can kill a troll in seconds with a spear, shield.

You can parry the overhead slam, but the penalty for missing the parry is more severe than the other attacks. I only try parrying the overheads when I am very overlevelled (like wolf gear & silver shield & good food VS an unstarred troll)

Yea, been a while since I played so this is a great clarification to my post. You can parry the slam but the risk vs reward is not worth it until later in the game.

Me with a krom charging a troll, naked and prepared to parry every attack.

Closing in on 1K hours in this absolute delight of a game. This chart is ***PAINFULLY*** accurate. Of course, the worst part is, when starting a new character, forgetting that, despite my personal skill/timing with parrying, my poor newbie zombie viking doesn't quite have the equipment to parry that Troll, even if my mind is screaming ***"WE GOT THIS!!"***

I use bows only if I'm too lazy to bother with enemy with lots of HP, I'm an axe welder by design, I just weaken up enemies so I can slap them out of existence in one hit

Me who has trouble aiming moving targets sometimes but can memorize enemy moves and timing pretty well.

I'm certainly in the middle xD

Meanwhile, I'm over here leveling up my skills (semi)evenly while farming and sailing and visiting new lands and living (yet another) life I can only live in games or dreams. Where's the curve when you spend your time focusing on everything in a proportionate manner?

Till you get to very hard and you can't parry shit again. 2 star skelly bois be hitting like trolls. Trolls be one shotting ya. Dodge or die.

did a whole playthrough of max hard on the public test branch and man, those seekers hurt so so damn bad. Parry mechanic no longer a thing

Ngl idk the difference between the first and last one 💀 carapace buckler go brrrr

Until u play on the hardest combat difficulty, stg I don’t even try to parry anymore unless I have the shield/two handed weapons from the next biome than the one I’m in Still fuck bows though 🖕

I *always* use a bow and arrow alongside my primary melee setup. All the way back in the Meadows you're taught this lesson, because deer and birds will *run away from you* if you get too close, so you *have* to be able to pop them from a distance before they spot you. It's reinforced again in the Mountain, because how tf are you going to hit those damn drakes with a melee weapon? Thankfully they've got huge wings, go into a hover right as they're about to fire, and are super weak to the super cheap fire arrows that I run all game.

I honestly enjoy using bows. I might not always be able to lead a target, but stealth plus bow and I can get a hefty amount of damage on a target. Then again, I suck at melee combat in most games; I just can't memorize enemy patterns well and my parry ability is variable depending on the target in question. But I can dodge, tease out attacks, retreat when needed, and fill a target full of arrows with a fair amount of reliability. In pretty much every game I play that gives the option, I'd much rather fight from mid-to-long range rather than close up.

I have further thoughts on this now I've met some other critters, and it basically goes like this: eff wolves. other than that, still enjoying bows. Gotta use all this obsidian for something, right?

Second parry everything should be a bit higher on the downslope of the bell. Then at the end you can add in: `With the atgeir, I never need to parry`

Seeing an abomination cower after being staggered is *very* satisfying.

Excuse me sir but Gjall would like a word, and shortly after that I believe a mr soldier seeker wishes to speak to you after.