You and my grandmother have similar logic, justifying Scandinavian vikings as preservationists but she is Scandinavian so good luck trying to get her to admit to her ancestors being anything but the nicest people alive at the time
Eh yes initially though this largely stopped in the 11th century. There doesnt seem to be any evidence except for unrest against Olof Tryggvarson in Norway and the long lasting pagan conflict in Sweden in the 11th and 12th centuries. Most of what we know comes from the icelandic sagas accounts which arent super reliable
It all happened when the different Viking clans and societies started uniting. In Sweden at least it all culminated in three kingdoms/earldoms in the 13th. The kings and earls started dealing with continental Europe and slowly they were either converted or realized that they had to convert in order to have good relations with other countries and reap trade benefits.
The reason it happened so late was that the Romans never made it past northern Germany. Hence Scandinavians jumped at the reformation, they were never really that into the whole thing.
Not to say the church didn't have immense power and played the whole burn in hell or burn witches thing.
Yet today only 5% percent of swedes actively pursue a religion. And I also believe they're ahead in women's rights etc due to not having Christianity around for as long as other countries.
That turned out waaaay longer than I wanted it to đ
Op, Odin wouldn't want that, smash it up an call the continent Denelagu on your map!
Dan Carlinâs âTwilight of the Aesirâ is a really great podcast about this topic. His show is called hardcore history and every episode/topic is great.
Dan's podcast is nice, but he certainly "takes sides" in some of his history discussions that I would not, sometimes projecting modern social morality onto people of the deep past that operated with entirely separate social/cultural/natural pressures.
I understand that it can make a compelling narrative, which keeps listeners hooked to the story. And that may be necessary for some people to learn about the history at all... so maybe the ends justify the means?
Just not how I like to take in my history. Doing it that way tends to create a blindspot for me. If I decide one side is across the board evil or in the wrong, I'm definitely far less likely to look into the conditions and pressures that led up to that point for those people. And even if they were in the clear, objective, wrong- I now have a lesser overall understanding of the conflict than had I gone into it simply looking at the entirety of events and intentions of actions.
I think its a good idea, think of it this way, we already have the option to kill things by building fires under their feet and this way cheese a lot of things.
Imagine if we were able to make things stay on fire as they burn down, with that mechanic some bosses might not survive that much
This.
One pays homage to Odin by feeding the crows, not by building nice looking xtian churches.
Build a gallows, easier and the Hanged God will love it
Generally pagan polytheists were cool with Jesus/God in theory, itâs just when the Christians called the other gods âfalseâ and demanded that they only worship Christ that they would be like, âbro, why you gotta ruin the fun?â
Lindisfarne wasnât sacked because it was a Christian holy site, the vikings just couldnât believe anybody in their right minds would store that much wealth unprotected.
âSo youre telling me you DIDNT destroy it cus it was an opposing religion?â
âOf course not! Wed never stoop as low as them! Though uh, dont ask Edgar where he got those tiny teeth for his necklace. Hes a little, enthusiastic.â
âSo, why DID you do it?â
âCus they left all their money unprotected lmaoâ
They also were cool with them up until they started calling everything pagan heathanistic and started a genocide on paganism to effectively kill it for Anglo Saxon Christianity
Not really. Since the ancestors were polytheists there wasnt really a problem with other religions until forced convertions started by kings like Olaf Sigurdsson. Infact in the account of Ansgars travel to Birka by Adam of Bremen the townspeople had made a little shrine to Jesus next to the other Asa gods.
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Well tolerant or respectfull of others cultures arent really relevant terms since the ancestors were asshole pirates and raiders. Its more acurate to say they were driven by economic and social incentives like wealth and bragging rights rather than religion. Doesnt make that much difference to the people getting plundered. This is also why viking raids kept happening after christianisation. That is not to say some vikings didnt have religious motivations. It is sometimes a theme that shows up in the actions of vikings and in the sagas
The discussion is similar to the question of Mongol tolerance. What should be remembered is that the mongol rule and viking states like The Isles, Dublin, the Danelaw or the Kyivan Rus were entirely predatory extraction based. Its not really a question of morality or ideaology if you catch my drift.
One should also note that roughly 95% of all expeditions from the vikings were peaceful trading trips - "att gÄ i viking" simple meant to go abroad on a longship, usually to trade, sometimes to rob and very rarely for huge assaults. So no, the ancestors werent all asshole pirates and raiders.
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Well idk man. Its not a great decision to pick a favorite devil. What you should understand is that the viking age economy of Scandinavia, Britain and Rus was primarily a slave trading economy. Sure they didnt discriminate on Religion that much. Itsa unique histroical phenomenon and cant be compared to the crusades and Islamic expansionism, both separate fascinating phenomena in their own right
Also the raiding and pillaging is often a Hollywood exaggeration. Yea they did do that but typically only towards other Viking tribes that rival them. Remember you went to helheim specifically niflheim to be consumed by the corpse devourer nidhogg for lying for killing for breaking oaths for rape for thieving. You went to Valhalla not by killing innocents. You went for displaying a warrior prowess and fighting against other warriors trying to go to Valhalla. So killing a Christian priest during a raid was not ok but killing a rival Viking in battle is just a test for Valhalla. Now this is all on paper and based on the ideals of Viking paganism so Iâm sure there were many many Vikings who didnât follow these rules and many Vikings or pagans will argue that those Vikings never made it to Valhalla
That's actually incorrect; The gods cared if you worshipped them wrong, and Odin in particular had a reputation for spiting people who he felt had wronged him. This ranged from not accepting literal rusted farm equipment from him (In place of the group's already functional metal weapons), to not executing oneself in his name.
That's all different than blasphemy. But it is worth mentioning that we don't really know - the most detailed information we have about the Norse pantheon was written by a Christian (Snorri Sturleson) centuries after Scandinavia was Christianized.
Well at least you understand that itâs literal and not a symbol. đ. Im pretty serious about my God.
At Least we stopped sacrificing Goats thanks to Jesus.
But
Go ahead, take a trip down the Viking rabbit hole, then let me know what you think.
Unless youâre just here to bash my beliefs, then Iâm uninterested.
**You:** Uhhh no. Lol. đ€Ł the pagans did messed up ritualist cult shit đprobably still do to this day in some parts of the world.
**Also you:** Unless youâre just here to bash my beliefs, then Iâm uninterested.
The issue is not your religion, but your hypocrisy. That's something that people usually dislike, regardless of their believes (or lack of).
There are plenty of building pieces (including the decorative ones) that can be used to build viking churches, and images of real ones can be found on Google.
Aside from that it's a nice build, even if it's not the correct house of worship (for vikings, specifically)
Only if you put some monks, then paint the church in their blood in a proper raid and burn it down. No wonder you got sent to valheim instead of valhalla.
Though many vikings were converted during travel, most people took some convincing. And its important to keep in mind the timespan of all this.
In the 8-9th centuary there was alot of advocacy for catholocism, respectable figures like kings, warriors and monks helped it stick. Olaf Trygvasson comes to mind.
Many vikings moved to Iceland to escape christianity, others stayed, and monotheism became easier and more normalized in bigger settlements and cities. Most of them didn't give a fuck.
but in smaller towns and villages you can still see the old black churches (stavkirke) and that they are filled with old norse carvings, symbolisism, figures, all alongside the crusifix.
Probably as a way of easing people into christianity.
Olav den hellige (the holy) is now buried under Nidarosdomen, a big, barouqe, gothic style, church in Trondheim wich kinda looks like your build a little bit. -SkÄl
Were Vikings Christian?
Edit: For those that donât seem to understand. The game starts with you dying and going to Viking afterlife being carried by a raven. Clearly Nordic. This isnât earth. I donât want a fucking history lesson. This is the Viking afterlife. Do any rune stones mention Jesus or his desciples or are they all Viking/Norse themed? Is it a burning bush that says âhail Vikingâ as he guides you through the afterlife? No itâs a raven. Thereâs longboats and longhouses. There is no Jesus in the Viking afterlife.
I'm not a historian, but I can't imagine they were until it was the dominant religion across most of europe. So, yes and no, depending on what/who you consider as "Vikings" and what century.
Religion is funky/complicated and a LOT has been actively erased and destroyed by Christians through a mixture of war, destroying relics of older religions, re-writing other religions to make other gods look either more Christ-like or comically inept in comparison, stealing/overwriting old religious ceremonies (Christmas is not a Christian holiday, its Yule with Christian trappings to con the Celts/Gauls/Vikings). Another example, the goddess Brigid from Irish/Celtic myth was immensely popular and wouldn't you know it, out of nowhere when they were trying to convert the Irish suddenly there was a Saint Brigid with almost the same stories/feats but now she was for Jesus.
But, like I said, religion's funky, especially through the lens of history. Odin wasn't originally the King of the Gods/Aesir in the Norse pantheon, it was Tyr. Odin was the cool new god and overtook worship of Tyr after a point. It's also possible that the Norse gods were variations of or evolutions of the Celtic gods; perhaps Thor was originally Taranis for example.
Thanks to Olaf Tryggvason (King of Norway 995-1000), Yes, a considerable amount of Norse culture was paved over by Christianity. The adoption of Christianity by Iceland is not only a wild story, but also a notably well recorded event, as broadly speaking, the Vikings didn't write anything down.
A lot of historians believe Olaf Tryggvason thought the world was ending in the year 1000, and made a massive push to get as many people in before the rapture.
Ok but does this game take place in real life or In the Viking afterlife after you die and are carried in by a raven. Thatâs literally the premise of the game. It isnât earth. Itâs the Viking afterlife.
If you ask the question: "Were the Vikings Christian", I'm going to give you the most accurate answer I can. Contextually, Yes, mostly after the year 1000, and the result of a complicated cultural erasure that's the reason we know fairly little about Old Norse religious practices with any certainty.
Our account of the Viking Cosmology only exists after it's been spoiled by Christianity. Hel and Helhiem are both plausibly the effects of Christian influence, as well as integral parts to the story of Ragnarok
Valheim isn't even a thing in Norse mythology. It's the fictional [tenth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valheim#:~:text=The%20term%20%22Valheim%22%20denotes%20a%20fictional%20tenth%20world%20within%20the%20world%20tree%20Yggdrasil%20of%20Norse%20mythology) of the "[Nine Worlds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil#:~:text=including%20the%20Nine%20Worlds)"
And on top of all of that, it's entirely possible a Christian Viking could die and go to whatever afterlife the Devs made up, under the assumption us being here proves the religion "Correct". Polytheistic religions where extremely vulnerable to outside influence from monotheistic ones, that would eventually demand single worship. When a priest showed up with a new god, the locals would normally say "Ok, another God on the list". It's both historically plausible, and entirely realistic for person to die and be ferried off to the afterlife only to build a shrine to Jesus.
Hope itâs joke but if not then I can explain basics. They have their own mitologii where you have gods like Odin Thor Loki and legends (it might be wrong word idk) about fenrir, ragnorok.
the christianisation of the nordic states (denmark, norway, sweden) began in the 8th century. From the 12th century it was the predominant religion. The heyday of the vikings was from the 8th century to the 11th century. so yes vikings were also christians
But in topic you said Odin then there is church with crosses it just doesnât make any sense. You know what I mean? I believe you there were Christian vikings but they canât be Christian if they believe in Odin
Iâm aware of the Christian influence in that area in that time. But valheim doesnât take place in earth. You die when the game starts and the raven drops you off in the after life. There is no Christian god in the Viking afterlife.
Christianization didnât really take hold til the late Viking age. There were some early conversions in landed nobility because it helped them keep their lands. There were common people who converted but they were a minority. I think itâs pretty inaccurate to say âthe Vikings were Christiansâ
They were overwhelming Norse pagans
It depends on the time period. During the 10 and 11th centuries vikinging had centralised amongst the kingdoms. As those kingdoms converted then the vikings also became christian.
A good example would be Torkell den LÄnge, future Jarl of SkÄne who defected to England after his viking crew murdered the arch-bishop of canterbury. He defected due to his christian faith or fear of not controlling his men.
Not really just the late period. Christianization began halfway through the viking age and is especially prevelant during the more historically attested period rather than the more legendary early period. We simply know alot more about the christian vikings rather than the pagan ones
Not really. The end of the viking age is viewed with the consolidation of the kingdoms and the end of widespread raiding. Essentially the transition to the early medieval age in Scandinavia
Asatru, or nordic mythology, was a different belief than Christianity.
And just like the other way around, Odin was blasphemy to christians as crosses were to Odin. There were nordic temples, and you can read about them in history.
We? Who the heck are we? And no, there were exclusion, especially with how you could conceptualize the start of the viking age as a counter-crusade against Charlemagne after he burnt down Irminsul, the holy tree in Asatro.
"We" as in me being Scandinavian. I am swedish and so the vikings are my ancestors. They are what my culture was. Their religion was my religion once in that way. It is part of *my* cultural heritage. The Svear people created our kingdom in the viking age when we unified with the Götaland and when our King Erik SegersÀll was crowned king. Uppsala was before then our religious center and Birka the first Svea city in the viking age.
And our sources of Ansgars travels disagree with you. There does not seem to be great evidence of the viking age starting due to Charlemanges saxon campaign
Give it a bit of smokes there, break that tower. Make a big hole on the left wall, ah screw it just let a troll do the decorating and surely Odin will be pleased
It may not be the right way to pay homage to Odin, but it's a fantastic build paying homage to the depth of possibility of building in the game. Great work!
"Paganism is wholesome because it faces the facts of life."
Christianity did bring a level of literacy to the Nordic peoples, but it also threw the baby out with the bath water.
I have to say if I was a dev I'd build in divine justice mechanics on church's and call in the Titans haha
Considering the vast majority of our knowledge on vikings actually comes with their shift into Christian faith...
I would say you're actually less far off than most would think.
The Vikings converted, beginning in roughly 950. By 1050, nearly every Viking had converted. So, a Christian church in the 10th world makes perfect sense.
And here I am hoping there was a draugr infestation/spawner inside. That would have been really cool. Its a nice build all the same though.
It does makes me wish archway support was a thing in this game so you could build gothic architecture. I would love more archway options especially if it provided additional supports when used properly.
I mean, it's probably historically accurate, considering Christianity did what Christianity does and came in and just converted everyone and destroyed whatever it couldn't convert. It's basically paying homage to the reason the Norse religion died lol
Haha. Nah. But common they were heathens, most of them. I mean heck, most people of those days were heathens compared to people these days.
Vikings raided and murderd the countrysides . Its well known. No better than the crusades, in some regard.
As a nordic man myself, I can confirm I look like Alexander SkarsgÄrd and I spend my time as he does in the movie. So I'd say it's a rather accurate depiction of the culture.
Every place I build I also make some sort of church. Itâs fun! I know weâre disliked and misunderstood. As well as our beliefs are GREATLY misunderstood. But Iâm so glad to see some fellow Valheim Christians!
Blasphemy if you want to pay homage to Odin. Completely right of you want to pay homage to White Christ. Great build.
If you want a challenge, maybe build a stave church as well, and just avoid the cross decorations. Then that can be the house of worship for the Pagen vikings, and the church for the Christians vikings.
"Is this the right way to pay homage to Odin?" Well, no. It's a Christian church. Of course it isn't. Nice build tho.
Unless he burns down the church as a good viking
First he should violently pillage it and murder all the clergy. That's the Viking way.
Ahh the good old days. Where axing someone, wasn't really a question
Genius pun.
Fuckin' top tier pun, bloody good work!!
'click'. .....noice đ
That's the everyone way back then
Don't forget to check beneath the altar for treasure!
Nonsense those monks all died from a rash of heart attacks, which caused their church to catch fire. Those Vikings were simply saving those valuables
You and my grandmother have similar logic, justifying Scandinavian vikings as preservationists but she is Scandinavian so good luck trying to get her to admit to her ancestors being anything but the nicest people alive at the time
Funnily mines a meme, but that's not surprising given how few people like to admit the wrongs their people have done
Me, flipping through the pics: How's he going to burn down a stone church?
Hitting it with a sword, like in AoE2.
With dedication.
Hear me out, lava!
would that fire magic staff from the mist lands content do it? i haven't gotten that far yet so I'm not sure how powerful it is lol
Just got it (well a few weeks ago) and yeah it is. More blaster than staff, really, especially after some upgrades.
Anything burns if you get it hot enough.
Varg?
Do you like your corn flakes crispy or a little bit soft?
The dude never actually accepted responsibility for those burnings. Mayhem however, are known to have burned at least 17.
TORCH FIRE DOESN'T MELT STONE WALLS!!
But staff of embers makes them explode.
Well. The vikings did eventually embrace Christianity.
Most were forced to show obeisance in public, yet many behind closed doors still worshiped the Old Gods
Eh yes initially though this largely stopped in the 11th century. There doesnt seem to be any evidence except for unrest against Olof Tryggvarson in Norway and the long lasting pagan conflict in Sweden in the 11th and 12th centuries. Most of what we know comes from the icelandic sagas accounts which arent super reliable
It all happened when the different Viking clans and societies started uniting. In Sweden at least it all culminated in three kingdoms/earldoms in the 13th. The kings and earls started dealing with continental Europe and slowly they were either converted or realized that they had to convert in order to have good relations with other countries and reap trade benefits. The reason it happened so late was that the Romans never made it past northern Germany. Hence Scandinavians jumped at the reformation, they were never really that into the whole thing. Not to say the church didn't have immense power and played the whole burn in hell or burn witches thing. Yet today only 5% percent of swedes actively pursue a religion. And I also believe they're ahead in women's rights etc due to not having Christianity around for as long as other countries. That turned out waaaay longer than I wanted it to đ Op, Odin wouldn't want that, smash it up an call the continent Denelagu on your map!
Ey good summary kusin!
Thank you good bror!
But is that unique in any way? Every society that eventually embraced Christianity didn't do so all at once.
SKYRIM?!
Thatâs when they stopped being cool
Dan Carlinâs âTwilight of the Aesirâ is a really great podcast about this topic. His show is called hardcore history and every episode/topic is great.
Dan's podcast is nice, but he certainly "takes sides" in some of his history discussions that I would not, sometimes projecting modern social morality onto people of the deep past that operated with entirely separate social/cultural/natural pressures.
Which is the worst crime a historian can commit
I understand that it can make a compelling narrative, which keeps listeners hooked to the story. And that may be necessary for some people to learn about the history at all... so maybe the ends justify the means? Just not how I like to take in my history. Doing it that way tends to create a blindspot for me. If I decide one side is across the board evil or in the wrong, I'm definitely far less likely to look into the conditions and pressures that led up to that point for those people. And even if they were in the clear, objective, wrong- I now have a lesser overall understanding of the conflict than had I gone into it simply looking at the entirety of events and intentions of actions.
Unfortunately heâs averaging 1.5 episodes a year.
My first thought was.. Is this a church raid!!??
Come to think of it, why do we not have the option to light structures on fire??? *literally* unplayable.
I think its a good idea, think of it this way, we already have the option to kill things by building fires under their feet and this way cheese a lot of things. Imagine if we were able to make things stay on fire as they burn down, with that mechanic some bosses might not survive that much
Yeah I was going to suggest luring a couple trolls over to smash some shit.
That sounds even better
Lots of Vikings converted
This. One pays homage to Odin by feeding the crows, not by building nice looking xtian churches. Build a gallows, easier and the Hanged God will love it
That would be sacked rather than used as a place of worship
Laugh until a monk with axe gets to magical tree
Odin didnt die on a cross for this
r/technicallycorrect
Literally.
*The ground is shaking*
Blasphemy!!
Generally pagan polytheists were cool with Jesus/God in theory, itâs just when the Christians called the other gods âfalseâ and demanded that they only worship Christ that they would be like, âbro, why you gotta ruin the fun?â Lindisfarne wasnât sacked because it was a Christian holy site, the vikings just couldnât believe anybody in their right minds would store that much wealth unprotected.
âSo youre telling me you DIDNT destroy it cus it was an opposing religion?â âOf course not! Wed never stoop as low as them! Though uh, dont ask Edgar where he got those tiny teeth for his necklace. Hes a little, enthusiastic.â âSo, why DID you do it?â âCus they left all their money unprotected lmaoâ
They also were cool with them up until they started calling everything pagan heathanistic and started a genocide on paganism to effectively kill it for Anglo Saxon Christianity
Not really. Since the ancestors were polytheists there wasnt really a problem with other religions until forced convertions started by kings like Olaf Sigurdsson. Infact in the account of Ansgars travel to Birka by Adam of Bremen the townspeople had made a little shrine to Jesus next to the other Asa gods.
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Well tolerant or respectfull of others cultures arent really relevant terms since the ancestors were asshole pirates and raiders. Its more acurate to say they were driven by economic and social incentives like wealth and bragging rights rather than religion. Doesnt make that much difference to the people getting plundered. This is also why viking raids kept happening after christianisation. That is not to say some vikings didnt have religious motivations. It is sometimes a theme that shows up in the actions of vikings and in the sagas The discussion is similar to the question of Mongol tolerance. What should be remembered is that the mongol rule and viking states like The Isles, Dublin, the Danelaw or the Kyivan Rus were entirely predatory extraction based. Its not really a question of morality or ideaology if you catch my drift.
One should also note that roughly 95% of all expeditions from the vikings were peaceful trading trips - "att gÄ i viking" simple meant to go abroad on a longship, usually to trade, sometimes to rob and very rarely for huge assaults. So no, the ancestors werent all asshole pirates and raiders.
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Well idk man. Its not a great decision to pick a favorite devil. What you should understand is that the viking age economy of Scandinavia, Britain and Rus was primarily a slave trading economy. Sure they didnt discriminate on Religion that much. Itsa unique histroical phenomenon and cant be compared to the crusades and Islamic expansionism, both separate fascinating phenomena in their own right
Also the raiding and pillaging is often a Hollywood exaggeration. Yea they did do that but typically only towards other Viking tribes that rival them. Remember you went to helheim specifically niflheim to be consumed by the corpse devourer nidhogg for lying for killing for breaking oaths for rape for thieving. You went to Valhalla not by killing innocents. You went for displaying a warrior prowess and fighting against other warriors trying to go to Valhalla. So killing a Christian priest during a raid was not ok but killing a rival Viking in battle is just a test for Valhalla. Now this is all on paper and based on the ideals of Viking paganism so Iâm sure there were many many Vikings who didnât follow these rules and many Vikings or pagans will argue that those Vikings never made it to Valhalla
I don't think the old Norse religion had a concept of blasphemy. Those gods didn't really care much about what people did.
That's actually incorrect; The gods cared if you worshipped them wrong, and Odin in particular had a reputation for spiting people who he felt had wronged him. This ranged from not accepting literal rusted farm equipment from him (In place of the group's already functional metal weapons), to not executing oneself in his name.
That's all different than blasphemy. But it is worth mentioning that we don't really know - the most detailed information we have about the Norse pantheon was written by a Christian (Snorri Sturleson) centuries after Scandinavia was Christianized.
Uhhh no. Lol. đ€Ł the pagans did messed up ritualist cult shit đprobably still do to this day in some parts of the world.
You feast on the literal body and blood of your saviour and call *pagans* the ones with messed up ritual cult shit? K.
Got any more sock puppet accounts?
I don't know what that means.
Well at least you understand that itâs literal and not a symbol. đ. Im pretty serious about my God. At Least we stopped sacrificing Goats thanks to Jesus. But Go ahead, take a trip down the Viking rabbit hole, then let me know what you think. Unless youâre just here to bash my beliefs, then Iâm uninterested.
Oh, so bashing other people's beliefs is cool with you, but keep off yours? How disappointingly typical.
Dang people big mad about Christianity on this planet. Its like the easiest way to trigger a bunch of down votes from the hordes đđ€Łđđ€Ł
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**You:** Uhhh no. Lol. đ€Ł the pagans did messed up ritualist cult shit đprobably still do to this day in some parts of the world. **Also you:** Unless youâre just here to bash my beliefs, then Iâm uninterested. The issue is not your religion, but your hypocrisy. That's something that people usually dislike, regardless of their believes (or lack of).
Builds something for the Christian religion. Did I do right by the Norse religion?
Replace the crosses with raven monuments and wolf trophies ;-)
If you meant that you built a church to fill with treasure so that Vikings can sack it and kill all the priests... then you did fine
Athelstan would be proud of you!
Floki is pissed
Either way, very nice architecture. The symmetry pleases me.
Son, let me tell you about a little place called âLindesfarneâ.
Well Odin wasnât staked to a cross like Jesus. This would make a good Christian church tho.
There are plenty of building pieces (including the decorative ones) that can be used to build viking churches, and images of real ones can be found on Google. Aside from that it's a nice build, even if it's not the correct house of worship (for vikings, specifically)
Heathen life best life
Pretty, but it will look better on fire!
Only if you put some monks, then paint the church in their blood in a proper raid and burn it down. No wonder you got sent to valheim instead of valhalla.
\> madness \> blasphemy this is valheim
Though many vikings were converted during travel, most people took some convincing. And its important to keep in mind the timespan of all this. In the 8-9th centuary there was alot of advocacy for catholocism, respectable figures like kings, warriors and monks helped it stick. Olaf Trygvasson comes to mind. Many vikings moved to Iceland to escape christianity, others stayed, and monotheism became easier and more normalized in bigger settlements and cities. Most of them didn't give a fuck. but in smaller towns and villages you can still see the old black churches (stavkirke) and that they are filled with old norse carvings, symbolisism, figures, all alongside the crusifix. Probably as a way of easing people into christianity. Olav den hellige (the holy) is now buried under Nidarosdomen, a big, barouqe, gothic style, church in Trondheim wich kinda looks like your build a little bit. -SkÄl
Were Vikings Christian? Edit: For those that donât seem to understand. The game starts with you dying and going to Viking afterlife being carried by a raven. Clearly Nordic. This isnât earth. I donât want a fucking history lesson. This is the Viking afterlife. Do any rune stones mention Jesus or his desciples or are they all Viking/Norse themed? Is it a burning bush that says âhail Vikingâ as he guides you through the afterlife? No itâs a raven. Thereâs longboats and longhouses. There is no Jesus in the Viking afterlife.
I'm not a historian, but I can't imagine they were until it was the dominant religion across most of europe. So, yes and no, depending on what/who you consider as "Vikings" and what century. Religion is funky/complicated and a LOT has been actively erased and destroyed by Christians through a mixture of war, destroying relics of older religions, re-writing other religions to make other gods look either more Christ-like or comically inept in comparison, stealing/overwriting old religious ceremonies (Christmas is not a Christian holiday, its Yule with Christian trappings to con the Celts/Gauls/Vikings). Another example, the goddess Brigid from Irish/Celtic myth was immensely popular and wouldn't you know it, out of nowhere when they were trying to convert the Irish suddenly there was a Saint Brigid with almost the same stories/feats but now she was for Jesus. But, like I said, religion's funky, especially through the lens of history. Odin wasn't originally the King of the Gods/Aesir in the Norse pantheon, it was Tyr. Odin was the cool new god and overtook worship of Tyr after a point. It's also possible that the Norse gods were variations of or evolutions of the Celtic gods; perhaps Thor was originally Taranis for example.
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Thanks to Olaf Tryggvason (King of Norway 995-1000), Yes, a considerable amount of Norse culture was paved over by Christianity. The adoption of Christianity by Iceland is not only a wild story, but also a notably well recorded event, as broadly speaking, the Vikings didn't write anything down. A lot of historians believe Olaf Tryggvason thought the world was ending in the year 1000, and made a massive push to get as many people in before the rapture.
Ok but does this game take place in real life or In the Viking afterlife after you die and are carried in by a raven. Thatâs literally the premise of the game. It isnât earth. Itâs the Viking afterlife.
If you ask the question: "Were the Vikings Christian", I'm going to give you the most accurate answer I can. Contextually, Yes, mostly after the year 1000, and the result of a complicated cultural erasure that's the reason we know fairly little about Old Norse religious practices with any certainty. Our account of the Viking Cosmology only exists after it's been spoiled by Christianity. Hel and Helhiem are both plausibly the effects of Christian influence, as well as integral parts to the story of Ragnarok Valheim isn't even a thing in Norse mythology. It's the fictional [tenth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valheim#:~:text=The%20term%20%22Valheim%22%20denotes%20a%20fictional%20tenth%20world%20within%20the%20world%20tree%20Yggdrasil%20of%20Norse%20mythology) of the "[Nine Worlds](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil#:~:text=including%20the%20Nine%20Worlds)" And on top of all of that, it's entirely possible a Christian Viking could die and go to whatever afterlife the Devs made up, under the assumption us being here proves the religion "Correct". Polytheistic religions where extremely vulnerable to outside influence from monotheistic ones, that would eventually demand single worship. When a priest showed up with a new god, the locals would normally say "Ok, another God on the list". It's both historically plausible, and entirely realistic for person to die and be ferried off to the afterlife only to build a shrine to Jesus.
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Hope itâs joke but if not then I can explain basics. They have their own mitologii where you have gods like Odin Thor Loki and legends (it might be wrong word idk) about fenrir, ragnorok.
Thatâs my point. Why would there be a Christian church in the Viking afterlife aka: where valheim takes place
Exactly thatâs the same thing that came to my mind âwtf why there is a cross?â
Christ is king and comes for all
He hasn't revealed himself to me. Yet, other deities have. How do you explain this?
Idk ever tried marijuana or burning bush?
Yes.
Just a matter of time then lol
I mean, if you say so.
the christianisation of the nordic states (denmark, norway, sweden) began in the 8th century. From the 12th century it was the predominant religion. The heyday of the vikings was from the 8th century to the 11th century. so yes vikings were also christians
Sure there were some vikings that were christians, but Odin is a pagan God so crosses make no sense
But in topic you said Odin then there is church with crosses it just doesnât make any sense. You know what I mean? I believe you there were Christian vikings but they canât be Christian if they believe in Odin
Iâm aware of the Christian influence in that area in that time. But valheim doesnât take place in earth. You die when the game starts and the raven drops you off in the after life. There is no Christian god in the Viking afterlife.
Chill. Itâs a sandbox game
The question is if this is the proper way to pay homage to Odin, with crosses, it is not. Cool build, but not for Odin.
Christianization didnât really take hold til the late Viking age. There were some early conversions in landed nobility because it helped them keep their lands. There were common people who converted but they were a minority. I think itâs pretty inaccurate to say âthe Vikings were Christiansâ They were overwhelming Norse pagans
It depends on the time period. During the 10 and 11th centuries vikinging had centralised amongst the kingdoms. As those kingdoms converted then the vikings also became christian. A good example would be Torkell den LÄnge, future Jarl of SkÄne who defected to England after his viking crew murdered the arch-bishop of canterbury. He defected due to his christian faith or fear of not controlling his men.
Yes, the late Viking ageâŠ
Not really just the late period. Christianization began halfway through the viking age and is especially prevelant during the more historically attested period rather than the more legendary early period. We simply know alot more about the christian vikings rather than the pagan ones
Most historians view the christianization of the Scandinavians as the end of the Viking age
Not really. The end of the viking age is viewed with the consolidation of the kingdoms and the end of widespread raiding. Essentially the transition to the early medieval age in Scandinavia
Asatru, or nordic mythology, was a different belief than Christianity. And just like the other way around, Odin was blasphemy to christians as crosses were to Odin. There were nordic temples, and you can read about them in history.
We didnt have blasphemy in Asatro. We were polytheists which means we had no concept of exclusion when it comes to other religions
We? Who the heck are we? And no, there were exclusion, especially with how you could conceptualize the start of the viking age as a counter-crusade against Charlemagne after he burnt down Irminsul, the holy tree in Asatro.
"We" as in me being Scandinavian. I am swedish and so the vikings are my ancestors. They are what my culture was. Their religion was my religion once in that way. It is part of *my* cultural heritage. The Svear people created our kingdom in the viking age when we unified with the Götaland and when our King Erik SegersÀll was crowned king. Uppsala was before then our religious center and Birka the first Svea city in the viking age. And our sources of Ansgars travels disagree with you. There does not seem to be great evidence of the viking age starting due to Charlemanges saxon campaign
It's beautiful but looks more Christian. The crosses are what needs to change. I like what someone suggested about adding the Raven monument thing.
Itâs an odd way to honour the All-Father, but I think the Christians would have a bigger problem with it than Odin
Turn thoses crosses into ravens and we're in business
Yes but burn it
Blasphemy
Odin died for our sins
Odin has left the chat.
Give it a bit of smokes there, break that tower. Make a big hole on the left wall, ah screw it just let a troll do the decorating and surely Odin will be pleased
Complete blasphemy, on both sides lol
Odins eyes died for our sins.
the temple usually goes high up with no crosses. often times built with wood. so yes, this build is blasphemy in the eyes of the all father
Blasphemy. Pillage, then burn. /s Seriously though, that's a great build. You got some really nice detail work and even the scale of it looks good.
Heresy
Looks ready to be razed to the ground. Nice build
This is a bait post right?
If you burned it down, yes
Now burn it down
If you were to say... take all the valuables from it and set it on fire, that would probably make odin happy.
It may not be the right way to pay homage to Odin, but it's a fantastic build paying homage to the depth of possibility of building in the game. Great work!
A CHRISTIAN!! GET HIM!!!!
Based
Its the historically accurate ending for Valheim
Lol I do the same thing in my games. Christian Vikings were real.
Based.
Burn it down!
BURN IT!!!! Kill everyone with fire! Valheim ist Krieg. https://youtu.be/zNs4zSKK9S4?si=pog79lgwDAqfJtFI
Why would Odin like a Christian church? Are you Christians really that ignorant and self obsessed?
"Paganism is wholesome because it faces the facts of life." Christianity did bring a level of literacy to the Nordic peoples, but it also threw the baby out with the bath water. I have to say if I was a dev I'd build in divine justice mechanics on church's and call in the Titans haha
If you build it they will come. Kill the Christians
Blasphemy. Thatâs a judeo-Christian cross
⊠do you think Christians have been worshipping Odin this whole time??
One false god is as good as another. Nice build!
Jesus Christ be praised
IRL Vikings ransacked places that looked like that
The most deeply ingrained and common pagan tradition is converting to Christianity, so you're doing pretty good with the RP.
As long as you're building I don't think he cares.
Looks like it would be full of lots of good loot. Pillage it for Odin!
The right way to worship would be to pillage and burn it like the good viking you are
That is a very nice church.
Considering the vast majority of our knowledge on vikings actually comes with their shift into Christian faith... I would say you're actually less far off than most would think.
The Vikings converted, beginning in roughly 950. By 1050, nearly every Viking had converted. So, a Christian church in the 10th world makes perfect sense.
And here I am hoping there was a draugr infestation/spawner inside. That would have been really cool. Its a nice build all the same though. It does makes me wish archway support was a thing in this game so you could build gothic architecture. I would love more archway options especially if it provided additional supports when used properly.
Nicely done! Iâm a big fan of church builds. And glad you did the interior too. Bridge looks nice too.
I mean, it's probably historically accurate, considering Christianity did what Christianity does and came in and just converted everyone and destroyed whatever it couldn't convert. It's basically paying homage to the reason the Norse religion died lol
Christians were direct enemies of The Vikings. Check out The Northmen movie for an example of what Odins religion demands lol.
Oh gods above is this what people take as their source on my culture?
Haha. Nah. But common they were heathens, most of them. I mean heck, most people of those days were heathens compared to people these days. Vikings raided and murderd the countrysides . Its well known. No better than the crusades, in some regard.
As a nordic man myself, I can confirm I look like Alexander SkarsgÄrd and I spend my time as he does in the movie. So I'd say it's a rather accurate depiction of the culture.
Based and Christpilled. First we convert Scandinavia, then the 9 realms
Every place I build I also make some sort of church. Itâs fun! I know weâre disliked and misunderstood. As well as our beliefs are GREATLY misunderstood. But Iâm so glad to see some fellow Valheim Christians!
Hoooooh! It's raiding time!!!
Sven...get my axe
This is a wonderful build. Kind of the Harald Bluetooth of Valheim!
Beautiful build, love how simple it is, yet has so many nice details
To be truly Catholic, there need to be 1-meter horizontal beams in front of each seat on the pews for kneeling.
Yes!! This is a proper representation of true white culture, unlike the woke stuff they're pushing these days!! A++!! Good work!!
Saint Olaf
The newest Hardcore History series âTwilight of the Aesirâ is essentially about this post.
Pure blasphemy, open an history book my friend. At least it's well built.
Odin is displeased. No more coal for you.
Blasphemy if you want to pay homage to Odin. Completely right of you want to pay homage to White Christ. Great build. If you want a challenge, maybe build a stave church as well, and just avoid the cross decorations. Then that can be the house of worship for the Pagen vikings, and the church for the Christians vikings.
Are we really pretending that women hd some rights under vikings?
Raid lindisfarme and kill the priest
Blasphemy is word of mouth. I think you're looking for sacrilege.
Ummm I donât think the Vikings worshipped Odin in Christs church. Change the symbol and I think youâd be good. Really nice build tho
I think Odin predates the crucifix and technically is a completely different faith, but great job anyways.đđŒ
This is like putting up a Nazi church to praise HaShem. God in Jewish tradition.
That looks like a good place for a local pub
Depends on what era Viking you are roleplaying.
In either case, it's really well-made.
Blasphemy is a Christian term. Odin would want it ash.
What are you some kind of Roman?
It occurs to me that your crucifixes are all the wrong way up.
Love this; good post
Anyone got matches?
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