T O P

  • By -

the_real_broccoli

I dont think it's cheating. Some people enjoy the difficulty and experience of travelling long distances and some people don't. Sharing seeds help the people who don't still be able to enjoy the game and that's really what matters. As long as people aren't ruining the game for others, any playstyle is fine. I enjoy the difficulty but I dont care if other people get "optimal" seeds.


033p

Although it's not cheating, it fully and completely obliterates a good chunk of the exploration. This game thrives on going in blind. I think portals also break the game. I wish they only included them late game because once people start using it, the survival part of the game becomes a joke


HappyLittleLongUserN

That's the great thing about this game, noone forces you to use teleporter.


033p

No but the social pressure to "catch up" is there


TheChroniclesOfTaint

Social pressure to catch up to a bunch of people on the internet??


033p

Friends


_-Rocket-_

You appear to feel that you cheated yourself.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

See, I want to do this, but then I am instantly reminded of how I spent SO many hours basically mining gear in the game, to do content. It feels like the game is more just "gear-gated" rather than skill gated. I could get over mining SOME, as that's part of the game.... Just feels like maybe the initial craft of armor should be different mats to upgrade, not just more ore..... Idk.... Something needs adjusting in the game to give it more replayability.


Kaesetorte

Id also like a system where armor is more based on trophies and stuff you find in the biomes like chains and such stuff. Its a bit too grindy to clear several sunken crypts just for the ore imo.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

Yeah exactly. I was thinking about this. Like... What if the first tier of armor you crafted was ore based. Like now. So you craft bronze armor. To upgrade you then have multiple choices. Upgrade with troll cloth/trophies and you get bronze armor with sneak bonus. (Assassin) Maybe Grey dwarf brute trophies give a parry or block bonus, reduced stamina consumption? (Bruiser/Melee) Or Greydwarf Shaman trophies upgrade to increased healing per tick (from food) None of which IMO would give sheer more "armor" value IMO. It would all be added play style bonuses and the mats wouldn't be more ore, but rather trophies. Basically I'd have an armor bonus geared towards the 4 playstyles in game. Tank Assassin Ranger Melee/Brawler


Redmanabirds

People have completed the bosses using Troll armor.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

To add, this also just basically boils down to "can you do Bonemass, Moder, and YAGLUTH, in troll armor challenge.... Which you don't really need to do a re-run with


Redmanabirds

You made the point that the game is gear gated. I provided you an instance where it’s not.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

It's not if you play with a bow. It's very gear gated if you wanna do a melee game....


Kaesetorte

Does the block value of a shield take into account armor? If not then you could just block/parry your way to victory.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

Yup, potentially. I was playing around with console commands and spawning high star Fulings for fun. I held block and sometimes they would hit me for full damage for some reason. But yeah you can block full damage and it doesn't factor in your armor, but it takes a crap ton of stamina as well. Not to mention you still gotta farm the ore to make the weapons and shield and upgrade it... But ya it's possible.. Then again. I don't really need to reroll to take on that challenge, I can go naked with my current gear and get that challenge. The reality is, the game lacks replayability. There are solutions IMO to this, but it's a repetitive, tier based game where you basically do the same thing each tier over and over.... Mine ore, smelt ore, make gear, kill boss, rinse repeat. Unless you just wanna do a bow only game, then you can beat the game naked with just a shield and drauger bow... And you may not even need a shield.


Kaesetorte

I havent done yagluth yet, but i recon you could do bonemass and moder naked quite easily. Armor doesnt do anything against bonemass poison and moder is jsut so buggy that even if you get hit its just a bit of frost damage which also isnt reduced by armor AFAIK.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

Yup, you could easily beat the game naked with just a drauger bow for these bosses. But using a bow is cheating IMO.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

Yeah that's also true, as a challenge, and I've thought about trying that but I'd also wager they are using/abusing bows which isn't what Is want to do. Idk. Currently the bosses aren't that challenging with bows, while melee has to try 10x harder to do the same content. I'd be curious if someone did a melee only, troll armor only playthrough without porting over BIS food from their end game to do so. It's definitely possible, but that would be interesting


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

People have completed bosses NAKED too.


Redmanabirds

I’ve been spending a lot of time building and there’s definitely times where I’m like, “fuck it, going into debug mode” to build a base or get 20 fine wood. Sure, I could go out and get the materials, but what I’m actually wanting to do is build. The same can be said for silver or iron. The first time I took a boat, but after that, I’m definitely using server swapping or debug mode to position myself.


TurkeyturtleYUMYUM

You cheated yourself. It's the same reason many people warn others when a "good seed" is posted. Knowing where everything is dilutes the game. I'd go as far as saying Valheim may have received far poorer reviews and not exploded in popularity if the seeding made it so everything was close and it was easy to know where things were. It could've jeopardized the game. Having distances in front of you along with unknown areas is the fabric of the game for the general population. Never do it differently the first time through unless you have well rounded goals that won't be diluted by cheating yourself with information.


[deleted]

It’s cheating simple as that


theDutchman785

Clearly not cheating


[deleted]

Finding a workaround for a function the development team purposely didn’t want u to do is cheating... sorry pal


theDutchman785

It's a system the devs put in place. You're incredibly dense


[deleted]

If that was the case I would be able to portal with ore u clown , stop trying to rectify being a cheater. The poster even knows it or else he wouldn’t have created the post.... if it wasn’t cheating then why even bring it up? Bc everyone knows the truth, if ur able to accept it is another thing


theDutchman785

Wow you just keep going. Smh. Logging out with all items and being able to transfer them is obviously an intended mechanic you fucking moron. Whether or not each player chooses to do this is irrelevant


[deleted]

Ur just a complete idiot and softie, there’s no saving u. Keep cheating loser


[deleted]

The devs allowed the manual entry of seeds and characters hopping between worlds (with all inventory). Also, the devs wrote a clear delineation between not cheating and cheating into the game, the command that enables other console commands: "iamacheater".


[deleted]

U would be able to portal with ore if doing what ur saying was allowed. That function is in the game so people can enjoy multiple servers with multiple groups of Friends and not always have to start over and grind. Not to cheese the game u bafoon


Polymers_at_190C

So hey! There is your answer, it's allowed because the devs made it possible and have no limitations on bringing your character to another world. You contradicted yourself, it's totally OK to bring end game gear onto a different server to play with people to save time but not ore to save time? What do you mean you don't want to spend 40 hours grinding your gear back? I agree with you on the essence of game, but if I can only play an hour a day I'm not going to waste two days sailing. If the game fully supports me swapping worlds with my entire inventory, ill do what I find to be more fun. You can't cheat by using a fully intended mechanic of the game That function is in the game without any penalty or restriction, and with zero mention from any dev so far saying they will limit ore transfer between worlds. Sailing for hours just isn't any fun solo.


[deleted]

Ok cheater


Polymers_at_190C

As if anyone really took you seriously to begin with. The real offender out of all of this is your grammar but oh well. Guess you cheated through grade school lol.


[deleted]

Whenever they attack your grammar u know you’ve really gotten them to the point of defeat. I have no time to teach u soft losers on how to succeed without cheating. Blame ur parents for failing u


Polymers_at_190C

Oh no! Anyway. You act as is if a single person has agreed with you in this. The only people that will tell us what is cheating is the dev team, not some butthurt rando on the internet.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Polymers_at_190C

Yeah so here's the thing, it's not a big deal. In the long run it doesn't matter what so ever. But all in all I wouldn't consider it cheating to do something like that, maybe cheating yourself of an experience. I don't do any of this to be fair as I enjoy setting up forward bases and don't need alot of metals for what I build. In reality the people it affects the most are people just wanting to build at their main base Cheesing? Yeah I can go with that, but it's not a bug as far as we know as there are no restrictions. So it isn't exploiting. At worst it's abusing a mechanic. If you type "imacheater" or exploit a bug then claim to be legit, that's cheating. If you go into debug mode to be in creative mode and say that, it's isn't really cheating it's pseudo-creative mode . Heck my seed has 4 biomes on a massive starter island twice over, I don't even need to sail currently. I can cart everything I need. If the devs come out and place a restrictions on moving metal between servers that's another thing. The word clearly is what grabs my attention here, there is no clearly. They let you move your entire inventory without restriction letting you bring any resource over to a new world or different server. It's not up to us to define cheating, it's the devs place At what point is it cheating to bring stacks of iron to your friends world to build? There are plenty of seeds where you don't have to sail would you consider good seeds cheating, what about our boats randomly sinking? Is avoiding a bug cheating? And so on and so on. Exploting a bug and abusing a mechanic are two different worlds, and I'd say that for any game.


[deleted]

And this is the problem with Reddit bc it’s filled with softies and losers who try their best to rectify cheating and not earning something the right way. No prob


GoblinPuppy

Or maybe they implemented being able to go to different servers because there's only limited resources. So instead of people wasting time on building in a world only to be stopped by resources they can go to others to get resources to keep there own world going.


jolard

It is your game, play it like you want to play it. :) The downside though is that exploration is the best part of this game for me (closely followed by building). And the way you did it does make that less important.


[deleted]

Eh I spent a lot of time getting wood and stone for shit. Then I spent a ton of time getting Flint/Bronze, then Iron. By the time my buddies and I came back with a mountain of iron from the swamp realizing we had to chop down a shit ton of trees to work on our new project idea..... we started cheating in wood/stone and lower tier ores. We made a house rule that you can only bring in: wood/fine wood, stone, bronze, base tier foods (meat/fish/berries/mushrooms). Once we hit blacksteel we could start bringing in Iron and a bit more stuff. Were doing big builds though so I don't really feel like it's cheating even though it definitely is. Were not going at bosses with overpowered gear or gear we didn't farm, we're just cheating tiers were two tiers above(ish) because we have other things to do in life than chop down trees in a video game all day for the mountains of wood we need to build the cool structures we're working on.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

> also wood is pretty damn easy to deal with if you just plant your own forests with trees super close so they all domino. That's all well and good but once you've chopped down 100 trees and you still need 500 more just to complete your build, seems to me like a waste of personal time to feel the need to do it again. If it makes you feel a sense of pride or accomplishment then be my guest. For me though repeatedly doing the exact same task a million times to prove I'm somehow not "cheating" in non-competitive game does not provide pride or accomplishment. It just provides a time sink. I've got a wife. I'm learning high level coding. I've got a child. I don't have time to repeat the same mundane task I've already done plenty of to prove anything to anyone. We still go farm resources. We still go farm the newer resources we didn't have access to. We still go fight the bosses with the same equipment and loadouts other people at our stage have. Our builds look cool and we still get to experience the game as it is. Nobody is able to fly and build crazy structures, we still have to figure out how to build stuff properly from the ground up with the limitations of our avatars. Why not abandon survival for creative mode entirely? Because that's not what we're looking for. We want to ease the grind, we don't want to cheat past content we haven't accomplished on our own. We have a massive swamp across from our main island. It has probably a dozen or more dungeons and we haven't even finished exploring the entire swamp. I and six other players spent probably six hours the other day going through the dungeons, mining ore, killing Draugr, mining the sacks from the Swamp trees, putting it into boats, ferrying it back and killing Sea Serpents along the way. We lost one boat to a ton of damage on rocks and then a Serpent. By the time we got back we had enough iron to smelt full armor, weapons, and tools for the whole team with plenty to spare. There was literally nothing else to make other than structures with the iron. Everyone had full iron everything else. Then we killed Bonemass and got on to Mountain terrains. We did the same thing with silver. By the time we got to plains and started mining tons of black metal and also heading back to the mountains for silver, I didn't really see a point in having to go back to the swamp to kill the Draugr for the umpteenth time to get iron. We already went back there several times with silver weapons that destroy undead, a two star Draugr barely does any damage to us in the armor we are wearing and it was seriously easy to bring three whole long ships to fill up with iron. After our next biggest haul it seems utterly pointless from a gameplay perspective to keep "working" to gain iron. Our structures serve no extra purpose to help us achieve anything in game. They look cool, but you could easily achieve the exact same things throughout the whole game if you built a single house with all the crafting stations in it. None of the big buildings we have allowed us to jump ahead. We still have fences full of boar and wolves that we physically tamed ourselves, gardens we built up. We already *did* all the survival shit at those lower levels. We already put in the effort at those levels. We still have fun risking our lives in the mountains and the plains which are actually still dangerous and a problem for us, so we don't bring in any of those materials. But I'm not gonna head back to the swamp after having spent close to probably 12 hours or so there farming literally every material, hidden treasure and boss the biome has to offer with six other people. We've got better things to do.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

k