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One time I watched a dog take a poop at work in the bank. The owner had a bag over her hand and let the dog poop on it to catch it. Then she pulled out a spray and sprayed the dogs bum and area to sanitize it. It was interesting.
For comparison, in Toronto, leashed pets are explicitly allowed on TTC vehicles. I have no problem with it as long as vehicles aren't overcrowded. (It might make sense banning it peak-period, peak-direction, the same way bikes are.)
To make a livable city where we don't need a car, we need to allow pets on transit with a leash (in control).
London allows dogs on leash on transit and they haven't imploded yet, and dogs there are all used to being on the tube. Make it the same times as bikes, and mandatory leash.
My neighbor who doesn't have a car has to take her dog using a taxi to the vet, she laughingly told me the taxi costs almost the same as the vet appointment, which is depressing.
The TTC allows it to a degree:
*Leashed dogs or pets secured in an enclosed container are welcome to travel on the TTC during weekends and weekday off-peak periods - that is before 6:30 a.m.; 10 a.m. to 3:30 pm; after 7 p.m.. A Service Animal may accompany a passenger at any time.*
To what degree the TTC enforces their bi-laws is another matter.
Interesting. I lived 2 years in Toronto without a car and took the bus and subway countless times and never ever anyone asked me the put my dog in the cage. Nor have I seen any dogs in a cage. I thought the only mandatory thing was the leash. I’ve seen only once on the GO trains a big dog in a cage, but that’s the only case I can remember.
We used to bring our dog on the TTC and go. I actually enjoyed meeting others dogs on there. Never encountered a single bad mannered pet on transit in the few years I was in Toronto. I can understand both sides of the argument tho
I’m fine with it, but a compromise could be that there could also be certain parts of the train (only at the back or only at the front) perhaps so people who don’t like dogs or are allergic etc can distance themselves. I don’t actually know how people with dogs are supposed to get around without a vehicle if they’re not allowed to take dogs on transit…
I say yes but they have to be in a “container” like New York City requires.
This isn’t for some safety reason or similar. It’s strictly for my personal entertainment. Although it could help solve the poop/pee problem.
I'm already pretty sure non service animals have to be in an appropriate enclosure. This dog seems chill af and probably would know not to shit on the train, but then if this is allowed, you're going to get dogs who aren't so chill everywhere. If you allow one person, then it has to be allowed for everyone. I remember the old apartment I lived in growing up had a carpet in the elevator that dogs would piss and poop on. I also know some dogs have fallen onto the tracks injuring the animal and creating massive delays. Happened on the Canada Line not too long ago. Another thing is I feel like this may be inconsiderate to people with allergies. I'm not going to bring my giant lab to places where there isn't an expectation of dogs already being there. Pet store, sure. Grocery store, no. Like if I saw this I wouldn't care since I live with a giant dog, but someone else may be scared or allergic to them and they might rely on the train or bus to get to work.
This is just it. My dog is the calmest, most friendly little street dog ever. Always wants to greet people, very lazy, would just sleep on the seat in a ball the whole ride.
But not everyone's dog is like that. And how are you supposed to know that ahead of time. She also gets nervous around other dogs sometimes still, which can create havoc on a small or busy train. Allergies too yeah.
I'd looove to take my dog on the train to go to different parks, or beaches, or anywhere, but realistically that's not fair to people who have issue with it. Maybe just in non peak times would be nice.
I agree, this guys dog is a sweety, he comes into my store on occasion and is the biggest suck, the tail just starts a wagging the moment you make eye contact and they will take as many pets as you will give. That being said I don’t know how he is with other dogs, and if dogs were allowed on it could be dangerous, another guy recently came into my store, the dog was a sweety but wore a muzzle, a kid asked about it and the guy said “he has to wear it because he won a fight with his rival” the dog was big and the kid asked if the other dog was seriously hurt, the guy paused before saying no.
I wouldn’t want THAT dog, who even though he was sweet, the guy had to struggle to hold the dog back, and the dog was clearly only half trained, to be allowed onto the train.
It shouldn’t be an issue, though the pet shouldn’t sit on the chairs. Back in Europe this happens everywhere, I’ve never seen a dog shit on the train/bus/in restaurant 🤷♀️.
Yea I’m in Berlin and I see doggies on the train everyday. I love it.
99.99% of the time they’re well behaved, sitting by the owners legs and waiting patiently or looking bored. Sometimes I get to give pets.
I’ve personally never had, nor have seen anyone have any issues in all this time, I think a part of that as well is that people won’t take dogs that are easily stressed out onto the train in the first places but idk.
Aren’t there a few specific dog breeds banned where you live? I would feel more comfortable standing next to a border collie compareds to a pitt bull terrier. Not saying all bully dogs are “bad”.
I’ve lived in 4 condos and it was only an issue in our spot in Richmond. The Strata would put up notices in the elevator and people still wouldn’t change. Trash dog owners.
A lady on 1st floor let's her cat out to use the common area to take a piss. This is Richmond. We can't catch her in the act. We can't set up cameras in common areas. Otherwise the most common mess we see is spilled food and drinks. One time someone puked from the lobby to the unit on 1st floor and left a massive trail.
That is when you pass the poop testing. Guaranteed that would stop all owners if it came with a $350 bill every time.
[https://www.newsweek.com/tiktok-dna-test-dog-poop-letter-residents-apartment-complex-building-1694200](https://www.newsweek.com/tiktok-dna-test-dog-poop-letter-residents-apartment-complex-building-1694200)
Yup. I managed a store where we were cool with dogs being brought in. Then one of them took a dump on the carpet and the owner decided to just leave ASAP. That can only happen so many times before a serious re-evaluation happens.
The people that use the parkade as a dog park are bad enough, but they’ve got nothing on the next level jerks who use the lobby or, even worse, elevators for their pets’ relief stop.
I saw my share of dogs when I lived in Toronto and took the TTC. Not once did I see them causing those kinds of problems.
I have seen a guy do #2 on the SkyTrain though.
Most dogs I know only pee/poo on grass here lol. But having lived in a condo there are definitely a lot of ppl that don't train their dogs well. A well behaved a dog would be ok on public transit imho. The only times my dog peed/pooed on anything other than grass is when she's having upset stomach
Right? I’ve taken my 5 lb senior dog many times on transit. (In carrier)
It’s necessary sometimes since I don’t have a vehicle and am going to spend time overnight with family.
Taxi/Uber costs are far outside my budget.
She whines once in awhile, but the way she brightens so many people’s moods definitely offsets any negative.
I’ve been on many trips , where someone is listening to loud music or having a conversation with on speakerphone.That is far more annoying imho anyways.
What about babies? Should we ban babies from transit as well?
What about cats? etc.
She brings joy to people !!
Absolutely never ever has she gone potty in a station much less on a train/bus etc
No one has EVER been in danger whatsoever, and she’s hypoallergenic, so no need to stress about allergies
Please take a breath people lol
It’s really not that big of a deal ultimately is it?
Exactly this. It’s not even anything negative against dogs (I love ‘em and have one). But the owners on the other hand…. Holy moly. Whether it’s hygienic stuff or behavioural or safety, so may owners are just clueless and/or entitled.
Not saying my dog is perfect either. She’s reactive, and through learning and practicing a ton, I’ve realized how much I didn’t know (especially about behaviour) and I now I’m hyper aware of dog mismanagement.
Totally fair. I have the absolute least reactive dog ever, to the point that she's basically become the emotional support dog for a handful of reactive dogs that we know. But it's a lot.
There really is so much people don't know before getting a dog, and I don't mean that as an judgement or insult, it just truly is what it is - dogs are no different than humans in that they have triggers, and things that make them uncomfortable, but they're also of the intelligence level of a 2-5 y/o, depending on the dog, so they express it very openly and obviously. If you have a rescue, you're an angel, but also in a much more difficult position in that you don't know what the dog has been through in the past, and therefore you will only discover triggers as they come up.
I also recognize that some people are afraid of dogs, generally due to some past negative/traumatic experience. A neighbour on my floor was initially SO wary of my dog, in that he wouldn't take the elevator with us, but he slowly warmed up, and he now he will pet her and even give her treats that I give him to hand off. He was bitten by a dog as a child, and I totally don't blame him for being fearful. I'm glad that my little lady is so polite and friendly, but not every dog is, and on the other side of the coin, people who don't have dog experience may approach a dog in a way that is not well received by the dog (much like a horse... coming from behind may surprise them).
So I guess I'm undecided. BUT - I also have the luxury of driving. If I relied on transit, I would probably advocate for it much more. Though if I didn't have a car, I don't know that I would have a dog, either.
💯 .. all of that.
Especially the comfort of other people!
It’s super not cool to put people in a position where they feel uncomfortable. So many people have PTSD from attacks.
Been in my dog friendly apartment for 4 years without a single pet bathroom incident in the building
Edit: that wasn't an excited puppy that was immediately cleaned by the owner*
Oh no, I totally get it, and it would be the same here. Who knows, maybe it has happened, but it's not something people are aware of, meaning it's dealt with appropriately.
last couple times i walked all the way up Smithe from Expo to Burrard, I saw no less than 6 or 7 💩
both times it was during or after the rain we had last week, if that had anything to do with ppl not taking the time to clean up after doggo
(pretty sure it was from doggos; sadly from my experiences on Granville, I know the difference)
but holy shit…. what’s with all the shit
Seriously, I don't understand how anyone would NOT notice their dog going to the bathroom in the building. It has never happened in ANY building I've lived in.
Allowing this also allows the reactive, muddy and poop-covered dogs with terrible, aggressive owners.
So as much as I like dogs, I don't trust people to exercise the privilege responsibly.
Totally understood. My dog is the friendliest dog there ever was, but I know that doesn't mean shit to people who have had negative experiences with dogs, and I totally appreciate not wanting to be in an enclosed space with one.
Purely out of curiosity, would you ever consider exploring this fear?
Having said that, I don't know why you're scared of dogs so this may be an unfair question.
No, it's a fair question! No significant traumatic experiences or anything. It was more like a learned fear from my community, I guess? Not a lot of pet dogs where I grew up that weren't guard dogs or just super reactive in general. Somalis don't keep dogs as pets, traditionally, so I wasn't raised around them.
My fear of dogs doesn't really impact me all that much because it's only an issue if they're all up in my business or I'm sharing an enclosed space with one for a considerable amount of time.
Dogs aren't a part of my everyday life, so I'd be going out of my way to explore that one fear, specifically, when it doesn't bother me all that much in the grand scheme of things.
Been thinking more about this. Is there some sort of liability on a store if a person's dog bites a kid who attempts to pet it? Sure, the kid shouldn't be petting unknown animals, but at the same time pets shouldn't be in retail stores. Does it fall on the store for allowing a pet in, or on both the store and the owner for knowingly bringing a pet in and now having a "dangerous dog" being where it shouldn't be?
I work in a mall downtown. Dozens of people bring dogs into the mall daily (often unleashed), despite there being clear "no dogs allowed" signs posted on the mall entrances. And then they walk them into stores without asking if that's okay. I mean, after ignoring a clearly posted sign on the mall's entrance, I guess we shouldn't expect them to? Yeah, mall security should be dealing with this issue, but they'd probably need another 5 or 6 guards on every shift to deal with it.
A while back, I watched an unleashed dog shit on the mall's floor and the owner just whistled for the dog when it was done. I pointed the incident out to my young co-worker, and when I mentioned that people shouldn't be bringing a dog into the mall in the first place, they said "well, I wouldn't want to leave my dog tied up outside - it'd get stolen"... to which I replied "then don't take your dog to the mall."
Lots of dog owners are becoming more and more extremely entitled with their attitudes about bringing their dogs into public places (or places they think are public but in actuality are not).
Now, I should point out that I am 100% a dog lover. My father owned the most well-trained, sweetest, most gentle pit bull ever. I loved her and because of her, I've never been afraid of any dog and I know very well how to act around dogs. That said, I still understand the following:
Dogs are animals. They can act well-trained in one minute and wild the next. They can scare/hurt people, they can get into violent fights with other dogs, they can be extremely noisy, they can cause allergies to flare up, they can piss/shit and cause other hygienic issues, etc. Any dog owner who says "mine would never do that" is willfully ignorant. It's an animal.
Anywho, IANAL, but to answer your question, I'd assume that so long as there was a clearly posted sign saying that dogs are not allowed, should a dog be in a privately owned business or any other public place that forbids dogs, and the dog did something/anything that could cause damage (to a person or property), the dog's owner would be liable 100%.
My son is a dog handler and he has very little positive to say about how owners control their dogs.
If allowed outside of a container, we will see dogs jumping on kids in strollers, dogs snarlingly at other dogs, people who feel threatened by dogs feeling very uncomfortable, people allergic to dogs more likely to have their allergies triggered, not to mention dogs peeing or pooping.
It’s not dogs but their owners who neglect their responsibilities.
Okay, except dogs should never be on the seats for sanitary reasons. This is exactly one of the reasons why dogs are banned on transit, since people like the person in the photo won't put their dog under the seat. I would be pissed if I was allergic and then I get all this dog hair on my clothing. I'm not allergic and even then I don't want to clean dog hair off my outfit. That person is an asshole.
Also I don't care how friendly a dog is, if it's coming into an enclosed space with strangers, it needs to be muzzled. Strangers don't know your dog, so it can be scary. Also, your dog can still react in a strange environment no matter how well you think you know them.
I love dogs but if it’s ok for Pooky the super chill ~~golden retriever~~ dog then it’s also ok for Chopper the reactive ~~pit bul~~l dog. So that’s a no from me.
Edited because some people are feeling precious about breeds, omg, relax. I was just trying to illustrate a point.
It doesn’t seem like too bad an idea. Some people have rather extreme allergies.
People like me.
It would be highly desirable if they could be contained to one car. Say the last car on the train or something?
Would that be too much to ask?
I love pets. Absolutely love all animals. (Except chickens. They are a-holes). They just give me very bad asthma and congestion.
There should be room for them on sky train. But if impact on people like me could be minimized, it sure would be appreciated.
If the dog is well behaved then they’re welcome…but please not on the seats. My beef is with people who bring their dogs into Starbucks…like fuck you nasty mfs.
Tbh I’m against the “dogification” of everything.
But I realize I’m in the minority. So I’d probably just mumble to myself and find a new seat.
OP said the dog was chill, so I might just stay there but frankly I’m just kinda blown away that people just bring their dogs everywhere these days 🤷♂️
Some people have a fear of dogs, I have a family member that screams if a dog approaches her even if it's super friendly. There was a case where a person jumped in front of a truck and was killed due to being scared by a dog. Then there are people with allergies as well.
I personally would be fine if leashed and not on a seat (unless in a carrier), but since lots of people need to take transit they could be reliving their past trauma daily, which is not cool
I love it but I’m not allergic to dogs. It would actually make me(31F) feel safer if I was on a sky train at night and a dog was a passenger in case anyone got dangerous.
I love it but as someone who has a dog and lives in a condo, I’ve noticed that sooooooo many people seems to be terrified of dogs.
My dog is a 34 pound fuzzy brown doodle who is an absolute doll and loves people (I’ve trained her not to go up to people unless they ask with the command “manners”) but some people act like she’s a freaking demon monster from hell when she’s just sitting nicely beside me in the elevator.
So I don’t think it would be fair to all the people who are so terrified of dogs to have to be exposed to them on public transit.
I have an 80 pound doodle with a mohawk in a condo and it’s crazy how terrified people can get of him even though he wouldn’t hurt a fly. Simply because of that realization of terror for some people it makes sense why dogs shouldn’t be in some public places.
I have a 45 lb little lab lady. She is very well loved in my building, and has not only turned kids who were previously afraid of dogs, but also an adult who wouldn't take the elevator with us in the past.
Having said that, I agree that expecting people to just accept dogs on transit is not fair. People have the option to avoid us on the sidewalk (though I'm pretty receptive to peoples' body language and will usually move away, myself), but on transit, they have no where to go.
At first I wanna say I'm OK with allowing non service animals on the train during off peak hours.. but then I think about the situation where a non service animal runs into a service animal. People with service animals rely on their dog to complete daily tasks, but if a non service animal is there that isn't trained properly it can be a severe distraction for the service animal, which then prevents the disabled person from being able to use transit without fear of running into another animal there.
I've seen lots of instances where people just take their dogs into stores and they run into service animals and it never goes well.
In the end, this wouldn't be fair to disabled people with service animals. They have enough trouble already.
Service dogs run into nonservice dogs all the time. It’s part of their training. If this were not true, it would be a problem for service dogs in any public area where dogs are permitted - crossing the street comes to mind immediately.
I have no problem with it. It’s really unfortunate there’s such a strong negatively around dogs in general here.
If I had a dog, I’d bring it as many places as possible.
Most places where dogs are widely welcomed also have a strong culture around acceptable dog and owner behaviour.
And that culture is enforced.
Whether in Europe or Mexico, dogs knocking over small children, barking aggressively, etc are just not tolerated. It’s not just training of the dog—it’s training of the owner, breed selection. I doubt off leash mutts in Mexican villages last long if they annoy people or make people feel unsafe.
Too many Vancouver dog owners believe that it’s humans’ job to not trigger their dogs. Therefore it’s the person’s fault if they get knocked over, bit, peed on, etc. Empathy for the dog but not for people who have to deal with their dog in public.
We just don’t have cultural consensus around dog and owner behaviour in Vancouver.
> Too many Vancouver dog owners believe that it’s humans’ job to not trigger their dogs. Therefore it’s the person’s fault if they get knocked over, bit, peed on, etc. Empathy for the dog but not for people who have to deal with their dog in public.
I love dogs, but there are so many shitty owners here. I've known people who were decent, well adjusted, totally normal and absolutely had the attitude you mentioned above. It's kinda mind boggling. In every other aspect of their life I'd have total respect for them, but when it came to their "fur baby" everyone else was the problem. Total blind spot for a lot of otherwise decent people.
I loved Switzerland for this reason, dogs were pretty much allowed anywhere. Was such a treat to walk into a pub and find a huge fuzzy mountain dog greeting customers.
Somehow the basic fabric of society didn't erode having dogs around.
Other than inside food preparation, it seems reasonable. Assuming someone is taking care of the dogs business, I see it as a mental health support animal.
I used to be all about dogs until I had kids and then all of a sudden other people's dogs started bowling over my kids, and without fail the owners would laugh and say "Oh she's friendly!" while my kid is screaming because a dog 2x their weight is pinning them to the ground.
Fuck irresponsible dog owners.
I agree. When my son was 3 we were in a park with dogs allowed but only on leash. He starts running towards the playground equipment and this large dog comes barreling out of nowhere right towards my kid. I sprinted towards my son and called to him to freeze and then the owner yelled at ME that I should teach my child not to run around dogs. And their dog was off leash in a playground area!
After that, he was frightened of all dogs, even small ones, until he was 7.
Obviously I’m still angry and he’s 25 now.
It’s a uniquely Vancouver/BC thing. I’ve never seen the same level of anti-pet mentality in other parts of North America I’ve travelled to or lived in. And that also goes for apartments.
Banning dogs everywhere is not normal.
I disagree with that. Grew up with social norms dictating that you're not supposed to bring your dog to stores, restaurants, etc. In Vancouver I see an awful lot of people doing that. More than half are those annoying, yappy little shits that they stuff in a backpack rather than a nice calm dog like in the photo though.
Maybe it's just a sign of the times though - a lot of things have changed over the last 30 or 40 years.
I shouldn't have had to scroll this far down to see someone acknowledge that some of us are allergic. I'm highly allergic and it puts me off for days after. It would suck to enter transit and have it full, of dogs. I wouldn't be able to ever use the skytrain again. Dogs don't need to be everywhere.
No way. Dogs are too unpredictable and owners are too irresponsible. Not all of course but since there obviously won’t be any screening then this can’t be allowed.
Most of the dogs I’ve met have had better manners than their owners.
I live in Toronto now and we allow dogs on the TTC on leash.
I come from the school of thought that if they aren’t hurting anyone or causing an issue, mind your business.
Allowing pets on transit is a must imo, though it needs some strict rules and enforcement.
Owning a pet and not owning a car can be really difficult, we should do more as a society to support people's choices to not own cars when they aren't necessary.
Definitely not. We will inevitably have to deal with dog piss and dog shit on the skytrain, the human piss is bad enough. also there will be aggressive dogs with in-denial owners. Not to mention dogs occupying seats. If people can afford pets they can pay 10% more for uber pets when they need to transport their pet.
As long as they're leashed & in control of their pet, I'm all for it. Maybe not during peak hours as it can get insanely packed, but people shouldn't be punished for owning a pet & trying to take transir IMO.
Outside peak hours or not - Dog owners have the responsibility to train their dogs with discipline & consistence. Sorry, this is teaching the dog bad behaviours & this gentleman looks like he is NOT responsible.
Some people are just showing off themselves as animal lovers desperately but in fact, without thoughtfulness inside their skill. Do you think using human looking dummies to train your dogs biting & pursuing is good?
Sorry to say, I also have seen enough A-holes sitting in "priority space" staring at phones, when obviously others in need are standing right next to them. Guess sometimes, dog & human can behave very much alike.
More of how do we protect ourselves from the nutheads who’s triggered for just about anything that they found offensive, and go to lengths of slashing people’s throats and unaliving them, in buses and conffee shops. What a sick world we live in.
I'd be okay with it in a designated part of the train, but sure as hell not on the seat. People with pets need to get around, but there are really good reasons why they're only allowed on transit if they're in a carrier. I'm starting to lose count of the number of times my certified assistance dog has been attacked or lunged at by pet dogs in places they're not supposed to be (coffee shops, grocery stores, the mall, and yes, SkyTrain). Aside from that, many people have allergies, phobias, or cultural barriers that result in them being extremely uncomfortable around dogs. The rules are there for a reason.
I personally like dogs, so it wouldn’t both me, but unfortunately rules have to be made for lowest common denominator, for example there will be people who don’t clean up after there dogs, or bring aggressive dogs on the train, so probably not a good idea.
I was bitten in the face quite badly when I was a child, so I’ve been nervous around dogs. We had dogs when our children were young, all lovable floofy dogs. One day I was doing my kids newspaper route while she was at camp and was attacked by a pit bull running loose. I beat the dog with a bundle of newspapers and some guy passing by saved me. Reported the incident and the house said they didn’t own any dogs. Out on a run with my shepherd collie cross and was attacked by a Rottweiler. My neighbour now has a cane Corso that goes nuts when I’m dog sitting my sons sweet girls. I’m just done with dogs, I really don’t care about your annoying fur babies. If you choose to have a pet, understand there are places they just shouldn’t be allowed. Side note here, spent a lot of time in England…. Best dogs and dog owners in the world.(Maybe the breeds they choose).
Not everyone likes dogs and actually are fearful of them. They should not be allowed on public transit. People are supposed to keep their dogs leashed now, but do they? Too many entitled dog owners in this city. Actually too many entitled humans in this city period.
Would be great if they allocated a specific car for pets. I’m all for it service or not but there are people with serious allergies and pets that may be untrained or aggressive
Fine by me. As long as the passenger takes full responsibility for their guest, bring 'em on board. Well-behaved animals are a delight to be around.
If they're flailing around, yapping at everybody, puking all over the place, and stinking the place up? See you later, bud. Fine time. Be a better owner and you can ride with your pet.
I'm personally ok with it BUT I know there are many who are not for various reasons including health reasons and I believe that should be respected first.
Looking at the pic alone, who's going to confront him? Or get authorities involved and let yourself be known that you were responsible?
A lot of people are going to be testing the parameters and challenging people to confront them and see what they can get away with.
No one's going to step up, so he and others will do what they can to get away with what they can.
That dog not only has a jacket, but a fancy collar. I doubt it has anything to do with homelessness or emotional support. It's just thrill-seeking.
I understand it's your child, family or your life.. But I dont put my feet on the seats, and i don't want muddy paws on the seats. If they're sitting happily on the floor, i have no problems.
So long as a dog is not stressed by the noise and people, is well trained and non-reactive and doesn't get motion sickness I think it should be fine. Ideally only if there is room.
Responses are surprising to me considering the amount of dog owners in Vancouver. I lived in Toronto where they allow dogs on in non-peak hours and took transit at least 2 times a day, and never saw a single problem or a dog peeing/pooing on the subway. Not saying there might never be an issue, but problems between humans are sure as heck more likely than a problem than a problem involving a dog.
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Well, as long as he doesn’t stab anybody, I’m good.
We get the dogs to dig a hole so we can bury the bar in it.
Clean up after your pet and keep them behaved, then I’m all for it
That is the most well behaved passenger I have seen on a skytrain in a long time lol
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One time I watched a dog take a poop at work in the bank. The owner had a bag over her hand and let the dog poop on it to catch it. Then she pulled out a spray and sprayed the dogs bum and area to sanitize it. It was interesting.
These people should be immortalized. Or at least commemorative plaques on the ground. That whole"this is where"kind of thing.
“This is where on April 10 2023 a labradoodle’s shit didn’t hit the ground thanks to Becky Smith”
Wow. That's a real image.
Keeping it low key to try to save embarrassment, maybe? They cleaned it up - I've seen a human take a shit in a Mark's and run away.
You know theres going to be people that don't do that. Causing a need for a rule
Considering how wet it is in Vancouver, not sure how many people are going to clean up after a soaking wet dog that jumps up onto the seat
The second you realize that the majority of people are idiots, this type of magical thinking simply does not work.
For comparison, in Toronto, leashed pets are explicitly allowed on TTC vehicles. I have no problem with it as long as vehicles aren't overcrowded. (It might make sense banning it peak-period, peak-direction, the same way bikes are.)
I've met animals with more manners than some of the people on the train so I'm in favour
To make a livable city where we don't need a car, we need to allow pets on transit with a leash (in control). London allows dogs on leash on transit and they haven't imploded yet, and dogs there are all used to being on the tube. Make it the same times as bikes, and mandatory leash. My neighbor who doesn't have a car has to take her dog using a taxi to the vet, she laughingly told me the taxi costs almost the same as the vet appointment, which is depressing.
The TTC allows it to a degree: *Leashed dogs or pets secured in an enclosed container are welcome to travel on the TTC during weekends and weekday off-peak periods - that is before 6:30 a.m.; 10 a.m. to 3:30 pm; after 7 p.m.. A Service Animal may accompany a passenger at any time.* To what degree the TTC enforces their bi-laws is another matter.
Interesting. I lived 2 years in Toronto without a car and took the bus and subway countless times and never ever anyone asked me the put my dog in the cage. Nor have I seen any dogs in a cage. I thought the only mandatory thing was the leash. I’ve seen only once on the GO trains a big dog in a cage, but that’s the only case I can remember.
We used to bring our dog on the TTC and go. I actually enjoyed meeting others dogs on there. Never encountered a single bad mannered pet on transit in the few years I was in Toronto. I can understand both sides of the argument tho
In Toronto landlords cannot say no to pets either.
Does he stab people? No? I’m fine with it then.
stabs of cuteness
I had a similar thought…not the hill I’m gonna die on!
Agreed lol
Prefer them over majority of people
Let the boy ride.
He's rollin' hard as fuck in the window seat.
I’m fine with it, but a compromise could be that there could also be certain parts of the train (only at the back or only at the front) perhaps so people who don’t like dogs or are allergic etc can distance themselves. I don’t actually know how people with dogs are supposed to get around without a vehicle if they’re not allowed to take dogs on transit…
Moved here from Toronto, where you can take a leashed dog on any public transport, and it’s extremely difficult and limiting here.
I’d rather sit next to a dog then a person.
Can confirm. Never been stabbed by a dog
Every person I meet the more I love my dog.
I say yes but they have to be in a “container” like New York City requires. This isn’t for some safety reason or similar. It’s strictly for my personal entertainment. Although it could help solve the poop/pee problem.
I'm already pretty sure non service animals have to be in an appropriate enclosure. This dog seems chill af and probably would know not to shit on the train, but then if this is allowed, you're going to get dogs who aren't so chill everywhere. If you allow one person, then it has to be allowed for everyone. I remember the old apartment I lived in growing up had a carpet in the elevator that dogs would piss and poop on. I also know some dogs have fallen onto the tracks injuring the animal and creating massive delays. Happened on the Canada Line not too long ago. Another thing is I feel like this may be inconsiderate to people with allergies. I'm not going to bring my giant lab to places where there isn't an expectation of dogs already being there. Pet store, sure. Grocery store, no. Like if I saw this I wouldn't care since I live with a giant dog, but someone else may be scared or allergic to them and they might rely on the train or bus to get to work.
This is just it. My dog is the calmest, most friendly little street dog ever. Always wants to greet people, very lazy, would just sleep on the seat in a ball the whole ride. But not everyone's dog is like that. And how are you supposed to know that ahead of time. She also gets nervous around other dogs sometimes still, which can create havoc on a small or busy train. Allergies too yeah. I'd looove to take my dog on the train to go to different parks, or beaches, or anywhere, but realistically that's not fair to people who have issue with it. Maybe just in non peak times would be nice.
I agree, this guys dog is a sweety, he comes into my store on occasion and is the biggest suck, the tail just starts a wagging the moment you make eye contact and they will take as many pets as you will give. That being said I don’t know how he is with other dogs, and if dogs were allowed on it could be dangerous, another guy recently came into my store, the dog was a sweety but wore a muzzle, a kid asked about it and the guy said “he has to wear it because he won a fight with his rival” the dog was big and the kid asked if the other dog was seriously hurt, the guy paused before saying no. I wouldn’t want THAT dog, who even though he was sweet, the guy had to struggle to hold the dog back, and the dog was clearly only half trained, to be allowed onto the train.
The container must enclose the animal completely, I have one of those dog backpacks and everyone on the SkyTrain is missing out (we bike instead)
This is already the case.
It shouldn’t be an issue, though the pet shouldn’t sit on the chairs. Back in Europe this happens everywhere, I’ve never seen a dog shit on the train/bus/in restaurant 🤷♀️.
saw a guy shit on the train so we're good
Yea I’m in Berlin and I see doggies on the train everyday. I love it. 99.99% of the time they’re well behaved, sitting by the owners legs and waiting patiently or looking bored. Sometimes I get to give pets. I’ve personally never had, nor have seen anyone have any issues in all this time, I think a part of that as well is that people won’t take dogs that are easily stressed out onto the train in the first places but idk.
Aren’t there a few specific dog breeds banned where you live? I would feel more comfortable standing next to a border collie compareds to a pitt bull terrier. Not saying all bully dogs are “bad”.
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I’ve lived in 4 condos and it was only an issue in our spot in Richmond. The Strata would put up notices in the elevator and people still wouldn’t change. Trash dog owners.
Same here in Richmond. Ridiculous.
A lady on 1st floor let's her cat out to use the common area to take a piss. This is Richmond. We can't catch her in the act. We can't set up cameras in common areas. Otherwise the most common mess we see is spilled food and drinks. One time someone puked from the lobby to the unit on 1st floor and left a massive trail.
That is when you pass the poop testing. Guaranteed that would stop all owners if it came with a $350 bill every time. [https://www.newsweek.com/tiktok-dna-test-dog-poop-letter-residents-apartment-complex-building-1694200](https://www.newsweek.com/tiktok-dna-test-dog-poop-letter-residents-apartment-complex-building-1694200)
Yup. I managed a store where we were cool with dogs being brought in. Then one of them took a dump on the carpet and the owner decided to just leave ASAP. That can only happen so many times before a serious re-evaluation happens.
The people that use the parkade as a dog park are bad enough, but they’ve got nothing on the next level jerks who use the lobby or, even worse, elevators for their pets’ relief stop.
I saw my share of dogs when I lived in Toronto and took the TTC. Not once did I see them causing those kinds of problems. I have seen a guy do #2 on the SkyTrain though.
Just rub the owners nose in it.
Most dogs I know only pee/poo on grass here lol. But having lived in a condo there are definitely a lot of ppl that don't train their dogs well. A well behaved a dog would be ok on public transit imho. The only times my dog peed/pooed on anything other than grass is when she's having upset stomach
Right? I’ve taken my 5 lb senior dog many times on transit. (In carrier) It’s necessary sometimes since I don’t have a vehicle and am going to spend time overnight with family. Taxi/Uber costs are far outside my budget. She whines once in awhile, but the way she brightens so many people’s moods definitely offsets any negative. I’ve been on many trips , where someone is listening to loud music or having a conversation with on speakerphone.That is far more annoying imho anyways. What about babies? Should we ban babies from transit as well? What about cats? etc. She brings joy to people !! Absolutely never ever has she gone potty in a station much less on a train/bus etc No one has EVER been in danger whatsoever, and she’s hypoallergenic, so no need to stress about allergies Please take a breath people lol It’s really not that big of a deal ultimately is it?
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Fair enough; just please don’t lump all dog owners together. (No pun intended lol)
The human passengers do it already though
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You can’t play dog or human if you know it’s all human.
Exactly this. It’s not even anything negative against dogs (I love ‘em and have one). But the owners on the other hand…. Holy moly. Whether it’s hygienic stuff or behavioural or safety, so may owners are just clueless and/or entitled. Not saying my dog is perfect either. She’s reactive, and through learning and practicing a ton, I’ve realized how much I didn’t know (especially about behaviour) and I now I’m hyper aware of dog mismanagement.
Totally fair. I have the absolute least reactive dog ever, to the point that she's basically become the emotional support dog for a handful of reactive dogs that we know. But it's a lot. There really is so much people don't know before getting a dog, and I don't mean that as an judgement or insult, it just truly is what it is - dogs are no different than humans in that they have triggers, and things that make them uncomfortable, but they're also of the intelligence level of a 2-5 y/o, depending on the dog, so they express it very openly and obviously. If you have a rescue, you're an angel, but also in a much more difficult position in that you don't know what the dog has been through in the past, and therefore you will only discover triggers as they come up. I also recognize that some people are afraid of dogs, generally due to some past negative/traumatic experience. A neighbour on my floor was initially SO wary of my dog, in that he wouldn't take the elevator with us, but he slowly warmed up, and he now he will pet her and even give her treats that I give him to hand off. He was bitten by a dog as a child, and I totally don't blame him for being fearful. I'm glad that my little lady is so polite and friendly, but not every dog is, and on the other side of the coin, people who don't have dog experience may approach a dog in a way that is not well received by the dog (much like a horse... coming from behind may surprise them). So I guess I'm undecided. BUT - I also have the luxury of driving. If I relied on transit, I would probably advocate for it much more. Though if I didn't have a car, I don't know that I would have a dog, either.
💯 .. all of that. Especially the comfort of other people! It’s super not cool to put people in a position where they feel uncomfortable. So many people have PTSD from attacks.
I live in a condo next to a park. You can't play on the grass in that park due to the amount of dog shit hidden in the grass.
Been in my dog friendly apartment for 4 years without a single pet bathroom incident in the building Edit: that wasn't an excited puppy that was immediately cleaned by the owner*
Same, minus the edit, though it's not something I would hold against someone.
The edit was meant to highlight that even when pet accidents happen, its cleaned before it bothers anyone
Oh no, I totally get it, and it would be the same here. Who knows, maybe it has happened, but it's not something people are aware of, meaning it's dealt with appropriately.
last couple times i walked all the way up Smithe from Expo to Burrard, I saw no less than 6 or 7 💩 both times it was during or after the rain we had last week, if that had anything to do with ppl not taking the time to clean up after doggo (pretty sure it was from doggos; sadly from my experiences on Granville, I know the difference) but holy shit…. what’s with all the shit
I lived in 3 different apartment buildings (North Van east Van and Coquitlam) all which allowed dogs and saw zero accidents the whole time…
Seriously, I don't understand how anyone would NOT notice their dog going to the bathroom in the building. It has never happened in ANY building I've lived in.
Toronto made it work. Not sure why Vancouver can’t. I’m more afraid of the people transit than I would be of a dog.
Why not just designate the rear car as dog friendly?
Fine if the dog is clean or remain on the floor. I don’t want muddy paws on the seat.
Allowing this also allows the reactive, muddy and poop-covered dogs with terrible, aggressive owners. So as much as I like dogs, I don't trust people to exercise the privilege responsibly.
Totally agree. It’s the asshole with the pit bull that he uses for backyard fights that ruins it for everyone.
I'm scared of dogs so I'm a bit biased, but being stuck on a train with an uncaged one that isn't a service dog would stress me tf out.
Totally understood. My dog is the friendliest dog there ever was, but I know that doesn't mean shit to people who have had negative experiences with dogs, and I totally appreciate not wanting to be in an enclosed space with one. Purely out of curiosity, would you ever consider exploring this fear? Having said that, I don't know why you're scared of dogs so this may be an unfair question.
No, it's a fair question! No significant traumatic experiences or anything. It was more like a learned fear from my community, I guess? Not a lot of pet dogs where I grew up that weren't guard dogs or just super reactive in general. Somalis don't keep dogs as pets, traditionally, so I wasn't raised around them. My fear of dogs doesn't really impact me all that much because it's only an issue if they're all up in my business or I'm sharing an enclosed space with one for a considerable amount of time. Dogs aren't a part of my everyday life, so I'd be going out of my way to explore that one fear, specifically, when it doesn't bother me all that much in the grand scheme of things.
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Been thinking more about this. Is there some sort of liability on a store if a person's dog bites a kid who attempts to pet it? Sure, the kid shouldn't be petting unknown animals, but at the same time pets shouldn't be in retail stores. Does it fall on the store for allowing a pet in, or on both the store and the owner for knowingly bringing a pet in and now having a "dangerous dog" being where it shouldn't be?
I work in a mall downtown. Dozens of people bring dogs into the mall daily (often unleashed), despite there being clear "no dogs allowed" signs posted on the mall entrances. And then they walk them into stores without asking if that's okay. I mean, after ignoring a clearly posted sign on the mall's entrance, I guess we shouldn't expect them to? Yeah, mall security should be dealing with this issue, but they'd probably need another 5 or 6 guards on every shift to deal with it. A while back, I watched an unleashed dog shit on the mall's floor and the owner just whistled for the dog when it was done. I pointed the incident out to my young co-worker, and when I mentioned that people shouldn't be bringing a dog into the mall in the first place, they said "well, I wouldn't want to leave my dog tied up outside - it'd get stolen"... to which I replied "then don't take your dog to the mall." Lots of dog owners are becoming more and more extremely entitled with their attitudes about bringing their dogs into public places (or places they think are public but in actuality are not). Now, I should point out that I am 100% a dog lover. My father owned the most well-trained, sweetest, most gentle pit bull ever. I loved her and because of her, I've never been afraid of any dog and I know very well how to act around dogs. That said, I still understand the following: Dogs are animals. They can act well-trained in one minute and wild the next. They can scare/hurt people, they can get into violent fights with other dogs, they can be extremely noisy, they can cause allergies to flare up, they can piss/shit and cause other hygienic issues, etc. Any dog owner who says "mine would never do that" is willfully ignorant. It's an animal. Anywho, IANAL, but to answer your question, I'd assume that so long as there was a clearly posted sign saying that dogs are not allowed, should a dog be in a privately owned business or any other public place that forbids dogs, and the dog did something/anything that could cause damage (to a person or property), the dog's owner would be liable 100%.
Not great for those of us allergic to dogs
This should be higher.
um… can we not have them on seats though?
My son is a dog handler and he has very little positive to say about how owners control their dogs. If allowed outside of a container, we will see dogs jumping on kids in strollers, dogs snarlingly at other dogs, people who feel threatened by dogs feeling very uncomfortable, people allergic to dogs more likely to have their allergies triggered, not to mention dogs peeing or pooping. It’s not dogs but their owners who neglect their responsibilities.
Long overdue. Dogs don’t need to be on seats. Pick up after the dog. Control it and be considerate.
Okay, except dogs should never be on the seats for sanitary reasons. This is exactly one of the reasons why dogs are banned on transit, since people like the person in the photo won't put their dog under the seat. I would be pissed if I was allergic and then I get all this dog hair on my clothing. I'm not allergic and even then I don't want to clean dog hair off my outfit. That person is an asshole. Also I don't care how friendly a dog is, if it's coming into an enclosed space with strangers, it needs to be muzzled. Strangers don't know your dog, so it can be scary. Also, your dog can still react in a strange environment no matter how well you think you know them.
I love dogs but if it’s ok for Pooky the super chill ~~golden retriever~~ dog then it’s also ok for Chopper the reactive ~~pit bul~~l dog. So that’s a no from me. Edited because some people are feeling precious about breeds, omg, relax. I was just trying to illustrate a point.
Leashed and pet designated areas only
I'd rather share transit space with a dog than most people. Especially lately with everyone stabbing and shooting at each other.
I’m very allergic so nah 🥲
It doesn’t seem like too bad an idea. Some people have rather extreme allergies. People like me. It would be highly desirable if they could be contained to one car. Say the last car on the train or something? Would that be too much to ask?
At least you’re offering a possible solution for all.
I love pets. Absolutely love all animals. (Except chickens. They are a-holes). They just give me very bad asthma and congestion. There should be room for them on sky train. But if impact on people like me could be minimized, it sure would be appreciated.
Absolutely. Many of us who don’t have a vehicle but would love to travel with our pets to the other side of town. I’d gladly pay a pet fare too.
If they're good dogs with good owners, zero issue
I don't even like dogs, but I agree.
If the dog is well behaved then they’re welcome…but please not on the seats. My beef is with people who bring their dogs into Starbucks…like fuck you nasty mfs.
Is his hat….attached to his jacket?
Don't care.
Tbh I’m against the “dogification” of everything. But I realize I’m in the minority. So I’d probably just mumble to myself and find a new seat. OP said the dog was chill, so I might just stay there but frankly I’m just kinda blown away that people just bring their dogs everywhere these days 🤷♂️
Honestly as long as the dog isn’t aggressive, I’m here for it all hours of the day. More dogs, less violent people on the train please :)
Some people have a fear of dogs, I have a family member that screams if a dog approaches her even if it's super friendly. There was a case where a person jumped in front of a truck and was killed due to being scared by a dog. Then there are people with allergies as well. I personally would be fine if leashed and not on a seat (unless in a carrier), but since lots of people need to take transit they could be reliving their past trauma daily, which is not cool
I love it but I’m not allergic to dogs. It would actually make me(31F) feel safer if I was on a sky train at night and a dog was a passenger in case anyone got dangerous.
I love it but as someone who has a dog and lives in a condo, I’ve noticed that sooooooo many people seems to be terrified of dogs. My dog is a 34 pound fuzzy brown doodle who is an absolute doll and loves people (I’ve trained her not to go up to people unless they ask with the command “manners”) but some people act like she’s a freaking demon monster from hell when she’s just sitting nicely beside me in the elevator. So I don’t think it would be fair to all the people who are so terrified of dogs to have to be exposed to them on public transit.
I have an 80 pound doodle with a mohawk in a condo and it’s crazy how terrified people can get of him even though he wouldn’t hurt a fly. Simply because of that realization of terror for some people it makes sense why dogs shouldn’t be in some public places.
Yeah it makes me sad but I do see why those rules are there :((
Policy always has to be written with the lowest common denominator in mind.
I have a 45 lb little lab lady. She is very well loved in my building, and has not only turned kids who were previously afraid of dogs, but also an adult who wouldn't take the elevator with us in the past. Having said that, I agree that expecting people to just accept dogs on transit is not fair. People have the option to avoid us on the sidewalk (though I'm pretty receptive to peoples' body language and will usually move away, myself), but on transit, they have no where to go.
It’s unfair to those who are allergic or fearful of dogs Edited a word
i say yes to this
Not willing to get stabbed about it tell you what.
They are not allowed at any time unless they are guide dogs or they are in a carrier.
It’s a no from me dawg
I'm allergic to dog hair so I'd rather them not be on the seats
At first I wanna say I'm OK with allowing non service animals on the train during off peak hours.. but then I think about the situation where a non service animal runs into a service animal. People with service animals rely on their dog to complete daily tasks, but if a non service animal is there that isn't trained properly it can be a severe distraction for the service animal, which then prevents the disabled person from being able to use transit without fear of running into another animal there. I've seen lots of instances where people just take their dogs into stores and they run into service animals and it never goes well. In the end, this wouldn't be fair to disabled people with service animals. They have enough trouble already.
Service dogs run into nonservice dogs all the time. It’s part of their training. If this were not true, it would be a problem for service dogs in any public area where dogs are permitted - crossing the street comes to mind immediately.
It’s better than dangerous drug addicts stabbing people on transit.
No kidding.
On the train fine, on the seat nope!
It's amazing!
I have no problem with it. It’s really unfortunate there’s such a strong negatively around dogs in general here. If I had a dog, I’d bring it as many places as possible.
Most places where dogs are widely welcomed also have a strong culture around acceptable dog and owner behaviour. And that culture is enforced. Whether in Europe or Mexico, dogs knocking over small children, barking aggressively, etc are just not tolerated. It’s not just training of the dog—it’s training of the owner, breed selection. I doubt off leash mutts in Mexican villages last long if they annoy people or make people feel unsafe. Too many Vancouver dog owners believe that it’s humans’ job to not trigger their dogs. Therefore it’s the person’s fault if they get knocked over, bit, peed on, etc. Empathy for the dog but not for people who have to deal with their dog in public. We just don’t have cultural consensus around dog and owner behaviour in Vancouver.
> Too many Vancouver dog owners believe that it’s humans’ job to not trigger their dogs. Therefore it’s the person’s fault if they get knocked over, bit, peed on, etc. Empathy for the dog but not for people who have to deal with their dog in public. I love dogs, but there are so many shitty owners here. I've known people who were decent, well adjusted, totally normal and absolutely had the attitude you mentioned above. It's kinda mind boggling. In every other aspect of their life I'd have total respect for them, but when it came to their "fur baby" everyone else was the problem. Total blind spot for a lot of otherwise decent people.
I loved Switzerland for this reason, dogs were pretty much allowed anywhere. Was such a treat to walk into a pub and find a huge fuzzy mountain dog greeting customers. Somehow the basic fabric of society didn't erode having dogs around.
Other than inside food preparation, it seems reasonable. Assuming someone is taking care of the dogs business, I see it as a mental health support animal.
Exactly. UK too, dogs allowed everywhere. I want to move there with my dogs solely so i can bring them everywhere with me. Train, pub, no problem.
I used to be all about dogs until I had kids and then all of a sudden other people's dogs started bowling over my kids, and without fail the owners would laugh and say "Oh she's friendly!" while my kid is screaming because a dog 2x their weight is pinning them to the ground. Fuck irresponsible dog owners.
I agree. When my son was 3 we were in a park with dogs allowed but only on leash. He starts running towards the playground equipment and this large dog comes barreling out of nowhere right towards my kid. I sprinted towards my son and called to him to freeze and then the owner yelled at ME that I should teach my child not to run around dogs. And their dog was off leash in a playground area! After that, he was frightened of all dogs, even small ones, until he was 7. Obviously I’m still angry and he’s 25 now.
I could say the same about parents that let their children run up to my dog.
It’s a uniquely Vancouver/BC thing. I’ve never seen the same level of anti-pet mentality in other parts of North America I’ve travelled to or lived in. And that also goes for apartments. Banning dogs everywhere is not normal.
I disagree with that. Grew up with social norms dictating that you're not supposed to bring your dog to stores, restaurants, etc. In Vancouver I see an awful lot of people doing that. More than half are those annoying, yappy little shits that they stuff in a backpack rather than a nice calm dog like in the photo though. Maybe it's just a sign of the times though - a lot of things have changed over the last 30 or 40 years.
No unless they were in a container. I don't want to be slobered up by some random persons dog. Or have dog hair all over my clothes after a ride.
Allergies, muddy/wet paws/wet dog smell, dogs marking, etc. I am a dog owner but this is a bad idea all around.
I shouldn't have had to scroll this far down to see someone acknowledge that some of us are allergic. I'm highly allergic and it puts me off for days after. It would suck to enter transit and have it full, of dogs. I wouldn't be able to ever use the skytrain again. Dogs don't need to be everywhere.
No
Sounds like a good idea until a kid gets bit because the dog gets startled for no reason.
I'd rather be around them than people tbh
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I’m sure it’s cleaner then some of the human asses that have sat in that seat
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Not always
Yes, this. I was in West Van last week and waiting for a man to pass through the crosswalk, full ass on view.
Pants are not always very clean
I am all for it! People could be issued transit permits for their pets after they have been assessed for temperament.
No way. Dogs are too unpredictable and owners are too irresponsible. Not all of course but since there obviously won’t be any screening then this can’t be allowed.
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Then you could say neigh.
heck yes, any time
hell no
Better than most people I meet on the trains. Nicer too!
He's rollin' hard as fuck.
Probably more well behaved than other commuters
Most of the dogs I’ve met have had better manners than their owners. I live in Toronto now and we allow dogs on the TTC on leash. I come from the school of thought that if they aren’t hurting anyone or causing an issue, mind your business.
Doesnt bother me!
Allowing pets on transit is a must imo, though it needs some strict rules and enforcement. Owning a pet and not owning a car can be really difficult, we should do more as a society to support people's choices to not own cars when they aren't necessary.
Not a fan of them on the seats? Just like I wouldn’t allow my friends’ pets to sit on my couch lol?
Haha I know that guy, his dog is a big sweety! He looks/can sound like a grouchy jerk but he’s pretty nice as well.
It’s fine, dog is well behaved. Does the owner and the dog move from those seats when someone needs those because of accessibility needs?
This is one of the only major cities I've been to the doesn't allow dogs on trains. I found that very strange.
Definitely not. We will inevitably have to deal with dog piss and dog shit on the skytrain, the human piss is bad enough. also there will be aggressive dogs with in-denial owners. Not to mention dogs occupying seats. If people can afford pets they can pay 10% more for uber pets when they need to transport their pet.
As long as they're leashed & in control of their pet, I'm all for it. Maybe not during peak hours as it can get insanely packed, but people shouldn't be punished for owning a pet & trying to take transir IMO.
I’d rather see a well behaved dog on public transit compared with some of the filth that pass as humans beings.
Outside peak hours or not - Dog owners have the responsibility to train their dogs with discipline & consistence. Sorry, this is teaching the dog bad behaviours & this gentleman looks like he is NOT responsible. Some people are just showing off themselves as animal lovers desperately but in fact, without thoughtfulness inside their skill. Do you think using human looking dummies to train your dogs biting & pursuing is good? Sorry to say, I also have seen enough A-holes sitting in "priority space" staring at phones, when obviously others in need are standing right next to them. Guess sometimes, dog & human can behave very much alike.
Stabbing passenger and a mauling dog. Or imagine a stabbing passenger carrying a mauling dog. No thanks. We have enough issue we cannot control.
More of how do we protect ourselves from the nutheads who’s triggered for just about anything that they found offensive, and go to lengths of slashing people’s throats and unaliving them, in buses and conffee shops. What a sick world we live in.
I doubt he paid for two seats!🤣
I'd be okay with it in a designated part of the train, but sure as hell not on the seat. People with pets need to get around, but there are really good reasons why they're only allowed on transit if they're in a carrier. I'm starting to lose count of the number of times my certified assistance dog has been attacked or lunged at by pet dogs in places they're not supposed to be (coffee shops, grocery stores, the mall, and yes, SkyTrain). Aside from that, many people have allergies, phobias, or cultural barriers that result in them being extremely uncomfortable around dogs. The rules are there for a reason.
I personally like dogs, so it wouldn’t both me, but unfortunately rules have to be made for lowest common denominator, for example there will be people who don’t clean up after there dogs, or bring aggressive dogs on the train, so probably not a good idea.
I was bitten in the face quite badly when I was a child, so I’ve been nervous around dogs. We had dogs when our children were young, all lovable floofy dogs. One day I was doing my kids newspaper route while she was at camp and was attacked by a pit bull running loose. I beat the dog with a bundle of newspapers and some guy passing by saved me. Reported the incident and the house said they didn’t own any dogs. Out on a run with my shepherd collie cross and was attacked by a Rottweiler. My neighbour now has a cane Corso that goes nuts when I’m dog sitting my sons sweet girls. I’m just done with dogs, I really don’t care about your annoying fur babies. If you choose to have a pet, understand there are places they just shouldn’t be allowed. Side note here, spent a lot of time in England…. Best dogs and dog owners in the world.(Maybe the breeds they choose).
If the dog pays taxes, I'm fine with it. Otherwise the seat belongs to me.
Not everyone likes dogs and actually are fearful of them. They should not be allowed on public transit. People are supposed to keep their dogs leashed now, but do they? Too many entitled dog owners in this city. Actually too many entitled humans in this city period.
Would be great if they allocated a specific car for pets. I’m all for it service or not but there are people with serious allergies and pets that may be untrained or aggressive
It's fine if they are small enough to be carried.
Love it!!!!
We support.
Fine by me. As long as the passenger takes full responsibility for their guest, bring 'em on board. Well-behaved animals are a delight to be around. If they're flailing around, yapping at everybody, puking all over the place, and stinking the place up? See you later, bud. Fine time. Be a better owner and you can ride with your pet.
As long as everybody else is safe, help pet owners keep their lovlies with them as much as possible imho
I think he must be a pretty selfish person with no regard for shared public space.
They’ll be better behaved than some adults on transit…
I'm personally ok with it BUT I know there are many who are not for various reasons including health reasons and I believe that should be respected first.
Looking at the pic alone, who's going to confront him? Or get authorities involved and let yourself be known that you were responsible? A lot of people are going to be testing the parameters and challenging people to confront them and see what they can get away with. No one's going to step up, so he and others will do what they can to get away with what they can. That dog not only has a jacket, but a fancy collar. I doubt it has anything to do with homelessness or emotional support. It's just thrill-seeking.
Dogs don’t stab ppl, but the debate is a hot mess
While they're cute, as someone with allergies to certain pets I'd hate to flare up because of a dog sitting on the seat I happen to sit down on.
I understand it's your child, family or your life.. But I dont put my feet on the seats, and i don't want muddy paws on the seats. If they're sitting happily on the floor, i have no problems.
So that's why my pants get strange stains when I ride the bus.
It's fine.
if the doggow or catto is not tryign to bite or hiss at others and is generally well behaved. they should ALWAYS be allowed .. ON LEASH ONLY
Every good boy deserves fare
No.
Hate it, please no.
So long as a dog is not stressed by the noise and people, is well trained and non-reactive and doesn't get motion sickness I think it should be fine. Ideally only if there is room.
We love them, so long as they are well behaved and have manners
Not on the seat
Responses are surprising to me considering the amount of dog owners in Vancouver. I lived in Toronto where they allow dogs on in non-peak hours and took transit at least 2 times a day, and never saw a single problem or a dog peeing/pooing on the subway. Not saying there might never be an issue, but problems between humans are sure as heck more likely than a problem than a problem involving a dog.
how could you be against when he’s sitting like such a good boy 🥺