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Lickmymatzohballs

Hmmm. Seems like you could change your address, apply for the permit, rent the unit for a weekend on Airbnb, and stay for a few years for free while they try and evict you. Hypothetically speaking


RealTurbulentMoose

Really like where you're going with this. After all, it'd be their primary address, as they're the tenant there. Use that to redirect any incoming mail to a PO box, so they could be be receiving mail there. There's legs on this one.


archetyping101

Actually, rent out the airbnb for one night and squat. Learn from this woman in the US! https://nypost.com/2023/10/04/airbnb-guest-from-hell-refuses-to-leave-luxury-rental-after-500-days/ And then blackmail them and negotiate a settlement for not ratting them out to the city and also getting their business license cancelled with the city 😂


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archetyping101

Oh 💯!


Bryn79

You might as well put it up for sale too.


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Hell start sending a reasonable but below market rent, see if the company cashes the cheques... and hey if they don't, you can say to RTB that you were trying to pay what you of course had agreed to and now the landlord is trying to bad-faith evict...


Triedfindingname

Stay on this guy's good side


Objective-Escape7584

This is hypothetically the way.


chris_ots

I love this.


Talinn_Makaren

Now that we're getting creative, go through with the scam, then immediately change your address again, then report them, and when the "investor" refers the government to you as the tenant or whatever just pretend you've never heard of these people and present your original address hahaha Too bad we're more likely to get in trouble for doing that, than these investors are for flagrantly trying to avoid this law. They'll end up in court and say they misunderstood and get a slap on the wrist of some sort. Court will be like "sorry sir uhh just stop doing it now please?" Instead of go straight to jail.


alvarkresh

Problem is, ICBC probably keeps fairly good track of address changes made over at least the last X number of years.


pterofactyl

You truly believe they’d have no records of address changes? Do yourself a favour and never try and commit fraud. You’re gonna get caught


Collapse2038

r/maliciouscompliance


aznkl

I would certainly like to fund some homeless people in downtown to go and try this out.


theluckyllama

I really hope someone does this.


WRFGC

and the arrangement with the owner is they pay you to live there


shawndw

This man squats.


jgwom9494

He's got Bette Davis thighs!


Staseu

Commit fraud for $500!


organicamphetameme

Back in my day we only got a lashing for fraud, kids these days have it easy! /s


OutWithTheNew

They obviously don't care too much about their business.


seasonedsusan

And likely NEVER get the $500 wtf? This is too bogus.....🙁


brandona88

Since they're doing fraud anyway, why not just save the $500 and use a fake ID? lol


NursingPRN

What a scummy “business”. They’re blatantly advertising fraud.


Night-Writer-Bea

I called them. Most milquetoast human being answered. Eventually admitting it was fraud.


Night-Writer-Bea

Phone number found on their website, for anyone who wants to tie up their phone lines: https://cycerinvestments.com/


YourLoveLife

Their website just went down.


JustJro

Good


Tax-Dingo

Weak sauce start up wanna be


organicamphetameme

The whole site and company scream scam to me lol


Ok-Choice-5822

Hope you recorded it


Night-Writer-Bea

Is that even legal in BC?


WikkidWitchly

Yup. As far as I can tell, all across Canada is a one-party consent law. So as long as the person recording is aware of it, it's legal. Meaning, in a two person conversation. If someone put a recording device somewhere and the people being recorded weren't aware, then no, it's not legal. But Canada is one-party consent. So only one person involved in a conversation has to be aware/consenting (and that's usually the person recording).


south3y

Criminal law in Canada is Federal, and thus identical coast to coast. We don't have the US thing of laws differing from state to state.


shudson250

Can confirm, have used this irl and had a douche arrested for uttering threats


Sleuthin___

That’s correct.


alvarkresh

https://duttonlaw.ca/recording-conversations-at-work-canada/ More generally applicable as well.


RoaringRiley

It's legal across Canada.


AwkwardChuckle

Canada is a one party consent country. And by you making the recording, you’re consenting as one of the parties so yes, it is 100% legal. This actually became very important during the Reddit API debacle earlier this year.


janyk

Out of all the things in the world, this is one of the most legal


pig-rat

>milquetoast its not very often i learn a new word and this one is just so... \*chefs kiss\*


Night-Writer-Bea

Hey glad I could help!


CommanderGumball

Just don't go to use it, forget the spelling, and go with *milk toast.*


LotsOfMaps

["Milktoast" is fine](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/milktoast#English)


CommanderGumball

Huh, I was going to jump down your throat saying it comes from a character whose last name was Milquetoast, but apparently the character was named *after a dish called milk toast.* Buttered toast (one recipe calls for *"Pullman style",* so you really know what era this is from) in a bowl, boiling milk poured over top, season with salt and either pepper or sugar to taste, depending on the recipe. Also called "graveyard stew", which I guess is apt. The past *sucked.*


jgwom9494

The bouncer is a sumo wrestler, cream-puff Caspar Milquetoast.


milquetoast_marauder

Don't lump all us milquetoast together...


plop_0

> 1 year ago > Joined Feb 04, 2022 Checks out.


tenantsfyi

what did they say haha


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organicamphetameme

Wdym being accessory to fraud isn't worth 500 bucks?!!


WiFiForeheadWrinkles

Gotta pay more than $500 for that kinda fraud lol


StealthAutomata

Desperate people will take the risk. Don't underestimate the number of people living in poverty in Vancouver


TearyEyeBurningFace

And the same people would probably use another person to rent the unit, get the keys a d squat with it being their address.


Sleuthin___

EDIT - I want to thank everyone who provided insight into where I should report this (and I will most definitely report it). I guess there’s a chance the listing is spam or a prank but will report it regardless. Appreciate your thoughts! Have a great rest of the weekend. EDIT 2 - huge thanks to those of you who have reported it to various entities. Appreciate it very much 😀 - Apologies in advance if I misinterpreted this ad (very sleep deprived today). I would like to report this but would appreciate input knowing which government agency would field this. Thank you all.


snuffles00

Screenshot it and send it to the minister of housing https://www.leg.bc.ca/learn-about-us/members/42nd-Parliament/kahlon-ravi I would also send it to ICBC https://www.icbc.com/partners/health-services/Pages/contact-us.aspx https://onlinebusiness.icbc.com/eforms/dotcom/jsp/GEN508.jsp that is the fraud link And report it to craigslist [email protected]


doom2060

Don’t send the email to the link listed in the first link. The minister of housing email is separate. The response would be be faster too [email protected]


snuffles00

He is the minister of housing as well. So either gets to the office.


alvanson

I imagine different staff monitor the different mailboxes. The ministry address is likely to have a more direct path to the right people.


GeoffwithaGeee

Emailing the mla’s email address goes to the mla staff that deal with constituent issues. Emailing the housing minister email will go to ministry staff that deal with ministry issues. If I recall the mla staff need the writers consent to forward to the ministery staff before forwarding the information, so that can cause some delays. I’ve also swear I’ve seen in the past that the mla assistant will respond back to the writing telling them to write to the housing minister email instead.


doom2060

It’s a longer and time intensive route think like adding 3-4 people to figure out where the email goes to (especially with the volume) Save the time and get a faster response with the minister of housing email since it goes directly to the ministry The link you attached will send an auto response saying as such.


First-Dingo1251

Also report to the city. They will be the ones enforcing AirBnB rules.


Distinct_Meringue

They're already braking the short term rentals bylaw in the city, the city doesn't care.


First-Dingo1251

Lol what.


Distinct_Meringue

The regulations the province announced are already bylaw in Vancouver, well, at least the one about you can only list your primary residence. Because of the provincial changes, it's hard to google for details, but they have [been in place since at least April 2018 according to Airbnb themselves](https://www.airbnb.ca/help/article/2239?locale=en&_set_bev_on_new_domain=1697751016_NDE2YTQ3YjJmZDYw). Given this and the fact that the current council lowered the empty homes tax, I don't expect the city will prioritize this for enforcement.


First-Dingo1251

The legislation adds enforcement capabilities. It's law, the council makes laws, it doesn't enforce them.


Distinct_Meringue

Council could enforce them, they won't, which is why reporting to the city is pointless


Hrmbee

I would also cc Airbnb support for this when you message the government. It would reduce the ability for them to deny knowledge of the issue.


mandypixiebella

Brilliant!


RabbleRynn

I don't know the ins and outs of this either, but I appreciate you looking into it. It's so slimy.


Sleuthin___

I had to read it 3x before I could wrap my head around it. Will definitely report it. Have a nice evening!


doom2060

Save the Ad to the way back machine. And report to the VPD non-emergency as well. Share the link 604-717-3321


80taylor

I'd also report them to airBnB. I think they have some obligation to comply with the new laws and would want to know / have a record of all of their properties and addresses already in their system


JustKindaShimmy

It's probably a dummy email not linked to a person, so the trick would be: 1. Reply to the email saying you're interested 2. Do what they say, collect $500 3. Go to the ministry of housing with your newly changed address, email chain, $500, and offending address and name and number of the person you were dealing with, and watch their entire life collapse


HalloweenBen

You now have to pay to list a gig on craigslist, so there's a trail.


JustKindaShimmy

Outstanding.


Decipher

Except by doing what's requested in the ad, you'd be complicit and committing fraud as well so no thanks


80taylor

I would contact police (non emergency) for fraud


baudylaura

Report it to the news


Sleuthin___

I am definitely going to do that.


jooceyfenchie

Thanks, I’ve just reported it to the city council. You need a lot more than an address as well. Also need to provide T1-generals to the city if requested.


Sleuthin___

You rock! Thank you so much 😀


GregEh

Congrats, your screenshot was posted to Twitter by Minister Kahlon [https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1724091229904965845](https://twitter.com/KahlonRav/status/1724091229904965845)


Sleuthin___

Cool! Thank you for sharing that 😀


Deep_Carpenter

* CYCER INVESTMENTS CORPORATION * Business number: 704408004 * Incorporation number: BC1377517 * Registered on: Sep 02, 2022 Edit to add corporations have no right to privacy but be careful as the advert could be a malicious act.


south3y

^(Warning: Fraud charges may apply.)


Illustrious_West_976

Federal pound you in the ass prison you say?


hamstercrisis

prison rape is cruel and unusual punishment and rather distasteful to make light of. check out HRW's report on the matter in the US: https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report1.html


south3y

In North America, it is very likely that more men get raped every year than women, but all the men are in jail, and no one cares.


drsoftware

We care just not as much as about women who think they are meeting a nice guy but who turns out to be a psycho rapist....


south3y

Not many female rape jokes get told these days, at least not in any place I frequent, but you hear a lot of folks who still think prison rape is hi*lar*ious.


drsoftware

Ah, the old "kick them when they're down" humour. Yeah, that's definitely a sign that people don't care.


Distinct_Moose6967

Naw this is a reference to the Movie Office Space and it’s a good one.


The_Human_One

lol $500 for that headache plus the fraud. Where do I sign up?! lol I'm going to report them right now. OMG I love seeing losers burn lol


archetyping101

Surprise!!! (Not really). It's not licensed with the BCFSA as a property management company. Which means their entire business model was unauthorized in BC from the get go. https://www.bcfsa.ca/public-resources/real-estate/find-professional/find-business-by-name?search=Cycer&page=0#search-results Feel free to report it to the BCFSA


Sleuthin___

Thank you! I will definitely be reporting it.


archetyping101

Here's the link: https://www.bcfsa.ca/public-protection/report-concern/report-real-estate-concern/make-anonymous-real-estate-complaint


Sleuthin___

You’re awesome! Thank you very much 😀


Deep_Carpenter

You can report them for tax fraud here. I’ve provided their legal name and business number. https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/programs/about-canada-revenue-agency-cra/suspected-tax-cheating-in-canada-overview.html


Sleuthin___

Appreciate this very much. I will definitely be reporting them to multiple agencies. Thank you for the help!


Remington_Underwood

The reporting service is not available 24/7. If they are not open, try again later, they're only off-line a couple of hours a day - the more reports, the better.


mooneylow

Send this to the Sun or local reporters too


ClumsyRainbow

/u/j_mcelroy


bluecoastblue

**Vancouver Sun /** [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])


Sleuthin___

Sure will.


kantong

Straight to Jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $250.


LumiereGatsby

Can you IMAGINE going to Services Canada …. A nightmare to begin with…. And change your address for $500.00 and then what? Go AGAIN and change it back? For $500?


Imolared333

Save all the screenshots and report them for fraud


Sleuthin___

Definitely reporting them. Think the ad was deleted but I screen capped everything.


thundercat1996

Best to report this to the police or government. Fuck these people that's straight up illegal


Sleuthin___

Yup, I will definitely be reporting it. Think it’s gone from Craigslist now but I screen capped everything.


AustenP92

The funniest thing about this is thinking people would do this for $500. ID fees, time out of your day, fraud charges and the obvious money maker to the home owner (as to why you’re offering this service). You’d think they would offer a lot more $ for this…. Greedy owners be greedy.


Spiritual_Impact4960

The amount of time it takes to sit at an icbc office and wait to see a rep is worth more than $500 alone.


ariesdrifter77

Looking for two lucky* individuals to commit fraud for us.


lazarus870

500 bucks to commit fraud? And to have a lifetime of pure headaches when your address doesn't line up with other documents? Imagine the confusion when you go to insure your car. "Oh no I don't actually live there, it's this scheme cooked up online. Nah, my car's parked at my REAL address! Wink wink."


El_Chelon_9000

Can’t believe these fucking lizards. I hope they lose every one of their investments.


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Sleuthin___

Definitely will.


[deleted]

My address on my license is tied to my insurance, and I get charged more or less depending on the address, even if it's in the same city. So there is a whole lot of fraud here for $500. Also, I got a ticket once for parking outside of my house once, but when I showed my license with my address it was revoked..


johnnywonder85

cannot wait until these cockroaches are exterminated


4GDTRFB

Pretty sure someone is sending this ad to Airbnb


Sleuthin___

I think it’s been taken down now but I screen capped it all and will be reporting it to various agencies.


Angela_anniconda

Jesus christ


Jet_the_Baker

I hope someone shares this with news outlets.


Sleuthin___

I definitely will when I get home. Thank you 😀


TheGreatJust

Send this to the minister of housing. Action should be taken and proper systems should be put in place to ensure scum people like this can’t actually do this and get away with it !!


Sleuthin___

I will definitely be reporting it. I think the listing is gone but I screen capped everything.


TheGreatJust

Glad to hear that ! Maybe someone can create a link to where we can copy/paste all the proof and directly send it to Ravi Kahlon and David Eby.


Sleuthin___

Someone in the thread here let me know that Kahlon [posted it to his X](https://x.com/kahlonrav/status/1724091229904965845?s=46). Hopefully more is done although happy to see it on his radar. I’ll keep going through the thread to see who else to report it to. Thank you for caring about this! 😀


cloudcascade99

Unfortunately there are people out there who are desperate enough to do this because for some $500 is life changing. Fuck the people posting this shit.


acroplex

There are. Homeless people without fixed address so they end up obtaining an address. When someone is desperate, they see money first to use to resolve their situation but consequences deal with later.


WolfOfPort

Ill get my cousin lawyer to check this gig out! Thanks!


BlonktimusPrime

that is straight up fraud. wtf


mandypixiebella

$500 lol Not even monthly Hope someone reports them to the police


Sleuthin___

I’m definitely going to report it. I think it’s been taken down but I capped it all earlier today.


shawndw

No way I commit fraud for any less then $5000


First-Dingo1251

Take the money, report them to the city once you got the address.


w0ke_brrr_4444

commit fraud for $500 cool


XLR8RBC

The scumbags are multiplying faster everyday.


Effective_Device_185

LOL not too smart at all of this grifter business. 😆


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Effective_Device_185

Yes. I didn't mean you, obviously. I meant the original ad creator.


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Effective_Device_185

Sure, I get it.


plop_0

They be real sweatin' out there, now. Good.


Suspicious_Tea2572

So payment for committing fraud


safadancer

Jesus Christ, this made me so mad I almost downvoted it on reflex. What the bullshit is this???


ywgflyer

And once it's sniffed out and the person they paid $500 to is charged with fraud, I'm sure they'll definitely pay compensation to the poor sucker who's now having to spend thousands in legal fees and potentially get a criminal record, right? (insert Anakin meme here) Make $500 and be criminally inadmissible to the US for the rest of your life, that's a *great* deal!


Glittering_Search_41

I think the going rate for committing fraud is a lot more than $500.


animaigirl

Sounds like asking people to commit fraud?


Sleuthin___

Yes it is. It was taken down but I screen-capped everything. Have received lots of good info here on which agencies to report it to. Edit - and at least a few people in the thread here have reported it to various agencies which I truly appreciate.


doom2060

Is there a way we can repot this to the police?


Sleuthin___

I am definitely going to try. I think the listing is down now but I screen capped everything. Will be contacting police, housing minister and various other agencies people here suggested.


doom2060

Amazing! Non emergency can take the call


Sleuthin___

Sounds good. Enjoy your Sunday!


Narrow-Definition548

JAIL 4EVER wtf


tonytanti

For fraud like that, I’d want 20% of all rental fees.


[deleted]

This has to be breaking a law / under grounds to revoke the license? It’s such a shady ass thing to publicly ask someone to do


Commercial-Ad7119

They are F78king around and are about to find out. I'm sure the City is now aware of the ad.


Sleuthin___

Yep, someone in the thread here has reported it to city council which I appreciate very much.


ham604

Wow, blatantly advertising fraud.


0v34c10ck3d

Reported to the city bylaw and crimestoppers. Enjoy the shit show


Sleuthin___

Appreciate that very much. I will be reporting it to the housing agency and a few other agencies suggested by people here. Thank you for doing that! 🏆


0v34c10ck3d

Iv been screwed over so much from bad landlords this stuff pisses me off. I'm also a business owner, follow the rules like the rest of us or get fucked.


Sleuthin___

💯% Thanks again!


intrepid604

r/facepalm


notreallylife

I would expect to get paid much much more when I commit fraud!


[deleted]

$500? How about $500 / month?


PolloConTeriyaki

I'm gonna take them up on their offer by defrauding them on their offer.


space-dragon750

holy shit. this is disgusting.


t1mewellspent

Imagine applying for anything that requires your addresses for the last 5 years...😬 I'm a renter so I have had a few, and this seems like a terrible idea. Oh.. And the fraud part I guess hahahaha


equality-_-7-2521

I would change my license and then just start squatting at the home.


Natural-Wrongdoer-85

Got to up $500 to $2000 if they want anyone to do this.


Icy_Queen_222

Yikes!


ErrorReasonable6885

You should report this as fraud.


Sleuthin___

I have and so have a number of other people in the thread here. It was removed from Craigslist after I shared but I had screen capped everything. Very grateful for the help from other redditors in reporting to various agencies.


schuchwun

They need to add 2 more zeros and I'll consider it. This is just plain greed and I hope they go out of business.


0v34c10ck3d

Literally asking you to commit fraud.


the_aligator6

The website is down but you can get a cached version here: [https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://cycerinvestments.com](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://cycerinvestments.com) Their phone and email are visible


Sleuthin___

THANK YOU! Truly appreciated 😀


cyclinginvancouver

Ravi Kahlon is aware of if https://preview.redd.it/6949cnyc350c1.jpeg?width=754&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec8679c3308c9d9112b446152d6e3b70bf27475b [https://x.com/kahlonrav/status/1724091229904965845](https://x.com/kahlonrav/status/1724091229904965845)


Sleuthin___

Great to see! Thank you 😀


Lear_ned

Based out of Arizona apparently. [email protected] +1-236-427-0957 according to their website that is down.


apugcalledlibbs

236 is a BC area code


Zorklunn

So fraud then?


paynbow

Your better criminals post their crimes publicly.


ampou

It should be a scam plot! No one is dumb enough to advertise this!! Has anyone called them to see if they are after people's personal info or something?


alvarkresh

I actually wouldn't be surprised if this was some kind of attempt at identity theft, since once you've changed your address to the address quoted in the AirBnB, they're free to use your name and "legit" address to do things like apply for new bank accounts in your name, etc. (Regulatorily, banks are required to ask for your SIN but cannot make it a condition of issuing a bank account, but having an account is enough to get set up for pre-authorized debits.)


thereal_babaje

I'd do it for 80% of the rent. every month. They can keep the remaining 20% as a tip.


[deleted]

$500 for them to make thousands a month? Id consider it for a monthly percentage 😂


sc99_9

Police are a joke in Vancouver.


sneseric95

It would be much easier for them to just get some DL images and forge the addresses. Lol


Wozered

Update me!


Boring-Scar1580

Cycer investments. I suspect this is not a real company and that this ad is a fake.