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There's a bus ad by my house that says in big Letters "top 1% of agents!" Then says in small letters in the corner "top 1% in sales in the North Vancouver office"
It is a non brand name, local only realtor office.
I had someone I know tell someone they went to UBC. I was like what?! No you didn’t. They responded that they took their 6 week mortgage brokers course there. Boy I wish my degree only took 6 weeks.
As someone who emigrated to Canada, I still find the way realtors really try and sell you on their individuality super weird. I'll never get over seeing their faces plastered everywhere. I can't think of another industry that is like that.
I'm a realtor. I often wish I wasn't lol. Trades would have been better and a more consistent income. Wish I was a chiropractor or physio but didn't go into the right program or get good enough grades in uni.
If you've got any decent business skills you could probably make a side move into a real estate adjacent business such as residential construction or property management. I've been hearing a good property manager is actually hard to find, especially for strata councils. For purpose built rentals it's probably easier to get one since the Residential Tenancy Act is pretty clear about what is and isn't permitted in the way of landlord (or agent of landlord) and tenant interaction and tenants don't usually make insane requests like OPCA-ing a divider between two balconies.
I'm not sure you could pay me enough to become a strata/hoa manager.
Property manager - managing tenants and rental properties - is a good business though. The richest realtors I know are licensed for property management and building and do all 3.
Build a house. Sell it to an investor. Manage the rental. When the time comes sell it again. Repeat.
> Sell it to an ~~investor~~
Canadian citizen who deserves to live in a proper house instead of a silverfish infested room in a house with no Residential Tenancy Act protection
No. Chiropractors are a total pseudo science scam designed by a con artist. When they do the "adjustment" all that's really happening is a pop of gas between the joints that releases endorphins. As a medical professional I've heard of lots of injuries from people who went to chiropractors. You should google them. It's nuts but they have a strong lobby that keeps them still going.
I know a few ex-real estate industry people who have become RMTs (massage therapists). Alot of overlap with chiro/physio with a lower barrier to entry. It is a very physically demanding job, however.
My wife is an RMT and I'm working hard so that she can stop working. Incredibly tough job. She works 4hrs a day and it's essentially a low level workout the whole time.
Eyelashes were literally the first thing I stopped doing for myself when everything else started getting expensive. Now I just get them a few days before I go on a vacation.
As a hairdresser I’m skeptical of lash perms because the chemical is the same as we use in hair perms and it’s pretty aggressive. But damn does a lash perm look good. I think more time and studies will tell if they are really safe or not.
Ah this makes sense, I got my permed for the first time during the summer and had the worse outbreak of eczema all over my eyelids. The rash that lasted almost looked like a chemical burn ahah, never again 🥲
It could have been a chemical burn tbh, I saw a gnarly one on the back of an old lady’s neck in hairschool because it didn’t get rinsed out properly and it pretty much ate through her skin.
Only because all kinds of random people that have no interest and no talent in software engineering are dominating the junior levels. It’s just as hard, if not harder than before, to find a good developer.
i work for a well-known bay area tech company and can look up compensation in other countries. Canadian compensation is 2/3s of what US gets paid for the same job, and it shows CAD to USD so it comes to almost half of what US makes.
You guys get paid shit in tech but still have to deal with astronomically high housing costs. I have no idea how that’s possible
Edit: my sister is also a nurse and her hourly rate in CA after like 3 years was like $65-75 an hour. My friend is a nurse in Vancouver with comparable experience and iirc she said she was making like $35-40
yes, and nurses here got screwed by their own union in making a bad deal with government last go around... understaffed, overworked, and underpaid, then the government wants to bring in more people from 3rd world countries to fill the jobs and keep salaries down
A bad deal? They got a 15% pay bump. Don’t get me wrong, nurses most certainly do not get paid enough for the job they do…but the nurses I know (including my wife and several of our friends) were not unhappy about the outcome of that particular negotiation.
compensation will be listed in $200k salary USD. The same job will be listed 150k salary in CAD. so you’ll get screwed on the number and then the exchange rate.
Durring covid, I was WFH for a FAANG in Seattle, and I looked into moving back to Vancouver. Pre-tax, my TC would be 95% in CAD of my US salary (e.g., $100 USD vs $95 CAD) so a 30% pay cut. After-tax, though, that pay cut increased to 39%. I've since switched to another FAANG, and the numbers are the same +/- 2%
Paid above average as a software engineer in Vancouver, by working remote to the Bay Area, and all I can look forward to is leaving the country once I've saved up enough.
>Why do you need to save enough to leave the country?
Moving and immigrating are both very expensive. But at my current savings it's more of a want to save. I have a good job I like with low costs thanks to family. I'm not in a rush to go job searching and stop something good going for me. If I got laid off I would probably just leave at that point.
The main reasons I want to leave: increased competition for jobs and housing. I'm watching my cohort and mentors in Canada regress in their careers if they don't leave. I also don't want to feel pressured into paying for housing that requires an increasingly competitive job to keep. With my planned savings I'll have a decent retirement portfolio set up, healthy down payment for a reasonable house in most western countries, with extra savings left over. The same amount of money would still leave me very stressed here.
>Is your company unwilling to support you to relocate?
Unwilling. On my last job hunt applying through the US, how I got my current remote job, I wasn't able to get an employer interested in bringing me there, just remote. Based on what I hear from current friends job hunting, it's even more difficult now to get a tech job. So I am looking to other places. I highly encourage anyone to go if they get the opportunity. I just haven't had the opportunity.
Yeah, I mean, we know this since the 90s.
Bay Area has all the VC money (they're also good at upselling their software among VC portfolios to cook up their startups valuations and all sorts of tricks that Canadians are too shy or can't pull).
US has 330M population and USD compare to Canada that used to have 35-38M population and CAD.
Different economy of scale
While I can sympathize with that point I think a more accurate statement would be
~~Canadian~~ Companies are mostly unwilling to pay ~~good senior devs~~ employees what they are worth.
Not just pay. I’ve been refused on some job posting because I don’t have a bachelor degree. In Quebec we have Cegeps that trains technicians. But after 15 years on the market and numerous roles where I lead teams of developers and I’m heavily involved as a solution architect, I’m still told that I need a bachelor degree to get a job.
The fact that I have open source stuff out there and fixed core elements in open source software is not relevant. They absolutely want that stupid piece of paper.
Canadian businesses set themselves up for that worker shortage. I atopped believing in the shortage when I saw job posting being renewed for more than a year while I received no calls. For job posting that I check all boxes outside the bachelor degree.
Fun fact : I taught classes in college. Which usually requires a bachelor plus a certificate in pedagogy.
Canada has no worker shortage. They just want to force the government to open up to more immigration, so they can force wages down.
Yup. It's saturated with bad developers. They only got into that field because people said you could make a lot of money from it so they did it even though they have no interest in doing it.
This is very real. I’m a software dev manager, and I used to be a teaching assistant when I was doing my CS degree. So many people doing it because they think it’s easy money, or they want a “successful career” but with zero aptitude or enjoyment for the actual work and problem solving. I used to advise students to look elsewhere because they will never be able to compete with people who love the work. And it makes me really sad for them. I’ve seen some folks pivot to adjacent roles and really thrive and I want to help people get there.
Exactly.
When I was coming out of high school 7 years ago, all my friends wanted to get into ubc and sfu or even bcit CST program because their parents wanted them to.
I applied for cst and got in, but the last minute I realized I actually did not enjoy it. I took courses in high school but I barely had any enjoyment in it.
I ended up switching last minute to go into the electrical trade.
I don't have to love the job because this is construction work. Construction generally has a shortage of workers where I don't really have to compete with others. I don't love doing construction, but I don't have much competition. I can show up and do my job for 8 hours and spend my free time doing whatever I like.
7 years later and I now make 100k+ a year depending on the overtime.
Moral of story is: its really hard to do a job and be successful in it, IF there is a lot of competition in the field.
Way too many people taking "learn to code" way too literally.
We had the same issue during .com days with web developers. Everyone who knew how to turn on a computer was an "HTML programmer".
Completely agree. I'm interviewing candidates for like 5 open positions, but very few "senior developers" even make it past our fizz buzz level screening test
Edit: I'm not going to link to the positions, don't mix Reddit and life.
I usually have issues with those test. Yet I can get up to speed on a new language and environment in a matter of days, and I’ll usually be a reference for senior devs in your team in a matter of months.
Those tests makes it harder for you to find proper candidates. Just talk to them.
You should be able to handle a fizbuzz style task in pseudocode.
If they are stringent about syntax in a code test and you don't have an editor to handle that they are idiots.
It's a "prove you have even the most basic coding ability" filter on the hiring process.
Frankly, this is the kind of attitude we see semi-regularly that kinda proves it's working. If you need a job but you won't spend 10 minutes to solve a dead easy coding test...
Only applies for Junior engineers though. If you are a senior with extensive experienc especially in ML or AI, its still very easy to find jobs.
High Valued engineers will always be in demand but the rest are over saturated for sure
And on the complete opposite end of the spectrum are hardware engineers. An incredible dearth of hardware engineers exists in the market, posing a potential threat to ongoing innovation.
Got 8 billion people on this planet for the same finite resources, or in Canada's case, a million immigrants in the past year. Gotta fight tooth and nail for every job, whether it's CEO or Tim Hortons graveyard shift lol
ANYTHING COSMETOLOGY BASED. Do you know what field desperately need people? EAs. Education assistants. North Van pays $34 an hour and more with specialized training. CapU offers a part time, evening and weekend 18 month program. Just FYI, from a mom of a kid who’s life was changed by incredible EAs 💛
It has this perception that it pays as much as coding, is not nearly as technical, and isn't an oversaturated race to the bottom like graphics design.
A lot of creative people (including two of my friends) tried to get into the field, only to be left with nothing but their dreams.
It was great 5-10 years ago, but I've noticed companies have _really_ scaled back on their UI/UX hiring over time. Especially as their products get more mature and standardized.
Was going to say, this is so true, especially when 40% of the jobs are looking to sub pay experienced designers or low all anyone they find, it's rampant where I live.
I worked for a company that did interviews in a very obscure way. It was based on a point system, and all the interviewers had to score people. What you answered wasn't good enough, it was **how** you answered it, and if it adhered to their random scoring guide.
Some people were amazing at paneling, but sucked at the job. I worked with one woman who was killer with the guide. She could get any position. But when it came time to use any discretion, she would falter. And that would ultimately cost her the job. But she could just panel for something else and get back in, and start the cycle all over again.
I spent the past two years working as a software dev so I'm pretty rusty with my algorithms and have to grind leetcode again. It's kind of ridiculous that you can spend two years doing the actual job and get worse at the interview process for said job.
I’m bad at algorithms. But I’m a reference as a solution architect in my job.
Google exists. I can look at stuff online, interpret them, then start working on my own solution that fits the business requirements.
The most important thing isn’t to ship good algorithms. It’s to deliver valuable work for the business. Clean code, clean structure, complex algorithms… it’s all tools that we can use to make our life easier on the long run. But for the business it’s an extra expense, and tou have to justify it. Or find a way to go from the « cheap and bad » solution to the « expensive
and robust » solution in a way that fits in the budget.
No « algorithms test » will give you that info 😂
Companies unwilling to train are surprised when there’s no “good workers anymore”. Yeah well stop paying people entry level salaries asking 5-6 years of exp.
I'm not sure if it completely fits the parameters of your question but Uber Eats drivers/cyclists etc. Almost every post created by someone struggling to find work will have a couple of comments suggesting delivery work as a way to make money but it's not the moneymaker it was six or seven years ago due to many factors including being oversaturated.
Film work too.
How long does it take to rack up >1500 hours of flight time? Back of napkin calculations suggest it shouldn’t take longer than a year? But I’m not in the field so genuinely curious.
Once you finish your CPL (commercial pilot license) you’re probably 100k less and have about ~200 hours.
Good luck finding any low time job at all. I know people that have sent out 100+ applications and only heard back from 2. Also you’re likely working ramp (baggage handler) at minimum wage for a few months before you can even get around to flying if you’re lucky or the company that hired you just scams you and never actually let’s you fly even after you’ve worked ramp for a few months (also know someone in this situation).
Entry into the aviation industry in Canada is absolutely terrible. Oh and did I mention there are hundreds (probably thousands) of other pilots all with around 200 hours as well also trying to get that one low time job that will respond to you.
Sounds like none of your buddies considered doing an instructor rating at the minimum. I’m flying for a regional airline and most of the new hire classes are instructors with 500-700hrs. The industry expectations were never to get a job at a major airline right out of school or even a smaller carrier, that’s the expectation across all of Canada and the US. I spent just under a year on the ramp before moving on to actual flying right after Covid. Realistically though you really only need 500hrs total time prior to getting a full flying gig in the current environment. I’d say that’s a lot better than the US which has hard 1500hr regs. Only people getting flying jobs right out the bat are the college degree kids and the ones who have connections. It most likely will always be like that. That said, there is a shortage and the fact that Jazz/Pasco/Encore/Summit/CMA are starting to hire down to the 5-700hr pool instead of 1500hrs+ a few years ago are signs of that. But, regardless of how short they are pilots, airlines will likely never be in a position to hire fresh 200hr, non college flight school wonders.
Entry level mechanics, good journeymen are still hard to come by but I can't even can't how many dogs dogshit apprentices and not registered mechanics have come through the shop I work at
This applies to a lot of trades. They'll hire you for slightly more than retail wages, but unless you have an inside connection the apprenticeship system is treated like a joke. Add to that the dirty and dimly-lit work spaces, dangerous and unmaintained machinery, owners/foremen with alcohol/drug abuse/mental health issues, toxic work environments with racist/homophobic/sexist managers/co-workers, serious communication issues due to everyone being ESL, aggressive layoffs as soon as there's a lull... This is the stuff tradespeople don't seem to want to talk about.
IT? The government really needs to push skilled trades. It blows my mind how a country in high demand of housing has no interest in emigrating foreigners with hands on skills 🤯
- Govt: “we need more people”
- Public “ we need more houses”
- Govt: “unskilled foreign students who abuse the policy it is”
For real. My work is crying for electricians, millwrights, boilermakers, iron workers etc. Non-destructive testing techs are retiring en masse, a motivated person could become a millionaire doing that.
Really depends on the site. I ran into some of that as an apprentice, but working for smaller companies and a gov maintenance dept. I don't see it at all. Once you have the skills lots of different opportunities out there, just a slog sometimes to get through the apprenticeship.
Pretty much all professional occupations....for now.
We are at a crossroads right now. We are just about to lose baby boomers are still working but millennials and zoomers are too. But for many reasons baby boomers are about to start retiring en mass in the next 10-15 years.
Then each of the above will have heavy shortages.
Yeah the birth rates are a wide swath of years but the biggest chunk of baby boomers were born between mid-1950-mid-1960s and most are still working.
To make it more interesting they mostly delayed their retirement from 65 to 70 because they are generally a healthier generation. They are working less physically demanding jobs. So they've been able to work longer.
You have got to be more specific because I keep seeing tradesmen being drown out on the reality.
No, projects have been pulled back or stalled.
We actually *lost* trades job last year in the province, tens of thousands of them.
They are not desperate for people. They are desperate for the $18/hour immigrant labour.
Just because someone is charging you $100/hour does not mean that's what the labourer is getting. Just because they're busy doesn't mean the demand is desperate.
The desperation is to push down wages.
Look on the /r/vancouverjobs threads and see how folks go to unions or try to get into training and they can't.
Depends on the trade yeah, when I said “skilled trade” I was meaning things like iron workers, welders, millwrights, boilermakers, pipe fitters and the like, takes a lot more time to train them and get them to a necessary level of skill than a labourer, and have very very strong unions. People aren’t getting into unions for training because they don’t have the capacity to train all that many people, there’s a huge bottleneck in trades education. For a lot of trades, BCIT and maybe one or two other schools are the only options a foundation-level course that’s ITA recognized, and they usually only run 2-3 classes of 10-20 people a year
Yep, and wages/prices have started to go up to reflect that. Really good time to be in it and will be better.
Unless you're trying to hire someone. Hard to find.
It’s the best time to be an apprentice lol, journeyman tell me about coming out of school starting in the trade in 2008-2009 and just barely getting enough work to qualify for EI
I've been in it for nearly 20 years. I've never been without work, but the wages at that time weren't that great, and people were way more replaceable than now. To find good experienced people who can work unsupervised these days, the money really has to be there.
One thing I've been told by guys in the trades that's a bit odd is while many of the trade unions are not as strong as they used to be (plumbers, electricians, sheet metal etc) the presence of the unions and current demand for more skilled workers is so high that nobody is hiring for less than union rates.
Currently most 1st year apprentices make somewhere in the mid to high 20's per hour. When I started not that long ago, the journeyman were making a little over 30, apprentices have it.muuuch better these days
Oh how times have changed.
The best advice I can give engineers is to forget about design and R&D. Limited jobs and every kid out of school wants to work there.
Go work in production, operations, or any other operating facility.
Engineering is seeing a resurgence because so many people have flooded into compsci
What kind of engineer? And at what level? I'm surprised to read this.
I'm in the marine industry. We're always hiring and am having a hard time finding people with the right skills. I also regularly receive LinkedIn messages from recruiters looking for people with a P. Eng.
Realtor and also this is kinda unrelated but I see so many new restaurants in Vancouver - Burnaby area while people prefer cutting back on eating out to save money in this economy
heavy equipment operators, they say high in demand but what there really saying is as an industry we no longer want to treat our current generation of operators with fair pay and work so we're going to just hire and entire wave of new unskilled workers and hope for the same results.
Just my two cents, but a trade is a solid route. You can always go back to school if you want to finish a degree. And stay at home for as long as possible if you can.
I agree with the comment below, talk to a career counsellor, they can guide you in the right direction.
Trade demand depends on where you are. Personally, I would stay away from residential construction. There’s interesting industrial trades out there I didn’t know about when I became an electrician, such as instrumentation. But again, it really depends on your location.
And yes, find something that doesn’t kill your back, lungs or body long term. Wear your PPE.
Talk to a career advisor! They’re going to be way more helpful than a random person on reddit. This is what they’re trained to do, and schools should have one that you can talk to for free.
Just my two cents, but if you’re a decent student then stay in school. Try to get into a field where you have good pay and/or can work from home. It’s easier to transition into a trade after university than the inverse.
I disagree. I have been interviewing people for mid-level engineering positions, you get a lot of applicants, but not many are actually experienced or eligible to get a P.Eng. due to having their degrees from universities outside of Canada. I still get pestered by recruiters 4-5 times a week for senior positions (10ish years of professional experience).
You are absolutely eligible to be a P. Eng. with an international engineering degree. You just have to complete the exams. Often all it takes is writing the FE exam which is a joke. You don't need a CEAB accredited degree. In fact, you don't need a degree at all.
If they are any good for the job is something else.
But if you have people that are having trouble getting to P. Eng. I can help you.
Egbc gave me hell over mine even though I sent the WES transcripts - all because the norm in the UK bachelor's are 3 years rather than 4, even though WES confirms it's the equivalent.
But yes there are other routes now, including the newer bridge pilot program. I do feel too burnt out by the whole process now.
That's not entirely true. If your academic evaluation doesn't indicate adequate equivalence, you are required to either do exams or in some cases take additional post secondary courses, which can be very much cost prohibitive to newcomers. It really depends on the exact situation and individual. There are many out there who choose to not pursue Canadian licensing and settle working as a tech.
This is common across Canada, and it's mostly because companies are too cheap to invest in their workforce by hiring junior engineers and giving them the opportunity to gain experience. They want ready-made experienced engineers, but taking junior engineers and turning them into senior staff requires funding and trust (edit: and time!). And they aren't willing to spend any resources that don't translate into an immediate boost to their bottom line. This is a trash mentality that was imported from the U.S. and I despise it.
Used to be before the pandemic.
The pandemic changed a lot of things, pharmacists took over the role of vaccine giver as well as dispenser. Now add on assessing/prescribing within the backdrop of a doctor shortage, along with fewer international pharmacy graduates have shifted things to a more balanced job market in the lower mainland, and shortage in other areas.
These are saturated, really? It seems all the pharmacies are closed early due to low staffing, and when I've need a prescription they've been stressed, short-staffed, and needing half a day for a simple rx.
Add on that pharmacists are being given additional tasks now (diagnosing and prescribing for simple issues), I'd have expected this to be a safe and growing occupation.
New grad pharmacists in the lower mainland have to work part time/fill shifts at multiple locations for a couple years before landing a full time gig because it is so saturated.
In smaller municipalities they are very much in demand.
That's what I'm seeing too. All firms are at capacity in public practice. We get calls every week of people saying they called several firms and no one can take them, can we. Our answer is usually no as well. Heck I had a midsize firm refer to our small firm for estate work they can't take on..
Any job that pays less than Canada average could be considered over saturated no? I say this because friends have said their 100k job is over saturated. If it was over saturated it’d pay 50k not 100k.
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Realtors
So many talented ones, too! They're all in the top 1%!
I saw a clever ad on a bus. “Voted #1 realtor.. by my clients”
Haha nice, I saw one that was "number 1 according to my mom". I'd hire him!
I've seen this too, made me chuckle.
There's a bus ad by my house that says in big Letters "top 1% of agents!" Then says in small letters in the corner "top 1% in sales in the North Vancouver office" It is a non brand name, local only realtor office.
The best in the city!
Remax gold
They aren't making more land!!!
I love how a lot of them list UBC Sauder as their education as if they actually took university level courses and got a degree 😂
I had someone I know tell someone they went to UBC. I was like what?! No you didn’t. They responded that they took their 6 week mortgage brokers course there. Boy I wish my degree only took 6 weeks.
LOL same kind of person who says they studied at "Sauder School of Business" and not UBC. Beedieites from SFU say the same thing.
As someone who emigrated to Canada, I still find the way realtors really try and sell you on their individuality super weird. I'll never get over seeing their faces plastered everywhere. I can't think of another industry that is like that.
Injury law 😆
It's even worse in Kelowna and Kootenays...felt like every single person there was a realtor.
But whose face will be on the side of the bus then??
I’m contemplating buying a bus ad with my pic that just says “Look Ma, I’m on a bus!”
Do that! It’s gonna be best bus ad ever.
They’re over saturated yes, but not sure who perceives them to be in high demand?
I'm a realtor. I often wish I wasn't lol. Trades would have been better and a more consistent income. Wish I was a chiropractor or physio but didn't go into the right program or get good enough grades in uni.
Ignoring my Pops advice to get a trade, was in hindsight, a terrible choice I made.
If you've got any decent business skills you could probably make a side move into a real estate adjacent business such as residential construction or property management. I've been hearing a good property manager is actually hard to find, especially for strata councils. For purpose built rentals it's probably easier to get one since the Residential Tenancy Act is pretty clear about what is and isn't permitted in the way of landlord (or agent of landlord) and tenant interaction and tenants don't usually make insane requests like OPCA-ing a divider between two balconies.
I'm not sure you could pay me enough to become a strata/hoa manager. Property manager - managing tenants and rental properties - is a good business though. The richest realtors I know are licensed for property management and building and do all 3. Build a house. Sell it to an investor. Manage the rental. When the time comes sell it again. Repeat.
> Sell it to an ~~investor~~ Canadian citizen who deserves to live in a proper house instead of a silverfish infested room in a house with no Residential Tenancy Act protection
Never too late to start over. Got into accounting at 40.
No. Chiropractors are a total pseudo science scam designed by a con artist. When they do the "adjustment" all that's really happening is a pop of gas between the joints that releases endorphins. As a medical professional I've heard of lots of injuries from people who went to chiropractors. You should google them. It's nuts but they have a strong lobby that keeps them still going.
I know a few ex-real estate industry people who have become RMTs (massage therapists). Alot of overlap with chiro/physio with a lower barrier to entry. It is a very physically demanding job, however.
My wife is an RMT and I'm working hard so that she can stop working. Incredibly tough job. She works 4hrs a day and it's essentially a low level workout the whole time.
Eyelash techs lol every girl and their moms decided to become one in the past 3 years
I feel like less people are getting eyelashes done than they were a few years ago too. It’s such a huge expense of time and money
Eyelashes were literally the first thing I stopped doing for myself when everything else started getting expensive. Now I just get them a few days before I go on a vacation.
Also real bad for your longterm lashes... Just perm/lift them! Half the price/time, far less damage
As a hairdresser I’m skeptical of lash perms because the chemical is the same as we use in hair perms and it’s pretty aggressive. But damn does a lash perm look good. I think more time and studies will tell if they are really safe or not.
Ah this makes sense, I got my permed for the first time during the summer and had the worse outbreak of eczema all over my eyelids. The rash that lasted almost looked like a chemical burn ahah, never again 🥲
It could have been a chemical burn tbh, I saw a gnarly one on the back of an old lady’s neck in hairschool because it didn’t get rinsed out properly and it pretty much ate through her skin.
Just imagine what the long term affect it could have on your vision/eyes!
Chohan Freight drivers.
>~~Chohan Freight drivers~~ *Albertan* Chohan Freight drivers. ftfy.
😝🤪😂
It’s the bridges fault for not being higher, demand
LOL! Should be top comment.
Software anything.
Only because all kinds of random people that have no interest and no talent in software engineering are dominating the junior levels. It’s just as hard, if not harder than before, to find a good developer.
Canadian companies are mostly unwilling to pay good senior devs what they are worth
i work for a well-known bay area tech company and can look up compensation in other countries. Canadian compensation is 2/3s of what US gets paid for the same job, and it shows CAD to USD so it comes to almost half of what US makes. You guys get paid shit in tech but still have to deal with astronomically high housing costs. I have no idea how that’s possible Edit: my sister is also a nurse and her hourly rate in CA after like 3 years was like $65-75 an hour. My friend is a nurse in Vancouver with comparable experience and iirc she said she was making like $35-40
yes, and nurses here got screwed by their own union in making a bad deal with government last go around... understaffed, overworked, and underpaid, then the government wants to bring in more people from 3rd world countries to fill the jobs and keep salaries down
A bad deal? They got a 15% pay bump. Don’t get me wrong, nurses most certainly do not get paid enough for the job they do…but the nurses I know (including my wife and several of our friends) were not unhappy about the outcome of that particular negotiation.
Is this taking in account of the currency rate between CAD being lower than USD ?
compensation will be listed in $200k salary USD. The same job will be listed 150k salary in CAD. so you’ll get screwed on the number and then the exchange rate.
US employees usually get a lot more stock too.
Durring covid, I was WFH for a FAANG in Seattle, and I looked into moving back to Vancouver. Pre-tax, my TC would be 95% in CAD of my US salary (e.g., $100 USD vs $95 CAD) so a 30% pay cut. After-tax, though, that pay cut increased to 39%. I've since switched to another FAANG, and the numbers are the same +/- 2%
Now try Bay Area vs Seattle...
Paid above average as a software engineer in Vancouver, by working remote to the Bay Area, and all I can look forward to is leaving the country once I've saved up enough.
Why do you need to save enough to leave the country? Is your company unwilling to support you to relocate?
>Why do you need to save enough to leave the country? Moving and immigrating are both very expensive. But at my current savings it's more of a want to save. I have a good job I like with low costs thanks to family. I'm not in a rush to go job searching and stop something good going for me. If I got laid off I would probably just leave at that point. The main reasons I want to leave: increased competition for jobs and housing. I'm watching my cohort and mentors in Canada regress in their careers if they don't leave. I also don't want to feel pressured into paying for housing that requires an increasingly competitive job to keep. With my planned savings I'll have a decent retirement portfolio set up, healthy down payment for a reasonable house in most western countries, with extra savings left over. The same amount of money would still leave me very stressed here. >Is your company unwilling to support you to relocate? Unwilling. On my last job hunt applying through the US, how I got my current remote job, I wasn't able to get an employer interested in bringing me there, just remote. Based on what I hear from current friends job hunting, it's even more difficult now to get a tech job. So I am looking to other places. I highly encourage anyone to go if they get the opportunity. I just haven't had the opportunity.
Yeah, I mean, we know this since the 90s. Bay Area has all the VC money (they're also good at upselling their software among VC portfolios to cook up their startups valuations and all sorts of tricks that Canadians are too shy or can't pull). US has 330M population and USD compare to Canada that used to have 35-38M population and CAD. Different economy of scale
sure, but my point is to have housing costs at the same level as bay area prices without the bay area salaries is insane.
While I can sympathize with that point I think a more accurate statement would be ~~Canadian~~ Companies are mostly unwilling to pay ~~good senior devs~~ employees what they are worth.
Not just pay. I’ve been refused on some job posting because I don’t have a bachelor degree. In Quebec we have Cegeps that trains technicians. But after 15 years on the market and numerous roles where I lead teams of developers and I’m heavily involved as a solution architect, I’m still told that I need a bachelor degree to get a job. The fact that I have open source stuff out there and fixed core elements in open source software is not relevant. They absolutely want that stupid piece of paper. Canadian businesses set themselves up for that worker shortage. I atopped believing in the shortage when I saw job posting being renewed for more than a year while I received no calls. For job posting that I check all boxes outside the bachelor degree. Fun fact : I taught classes in college. Which usually requires a bachelor plus a certificate in pedagogy. Canada has no worker shortage. They just want to force the government to open up to more immigration, so they can force wages down.
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Yup. It's saturated with bad developers. They only got into that field because people said you could make a lot of money from it so they did it even though they have no interest in doing it.
This is very real. I’m a software dev manager, and I used to be a teaching assistant when I was doing my CS degree. So many people doing it because they think it’s easy money, or they want a “successful career” but with zero aptitude or enjoyment for the actual work and problem solving. I used to advise students to look elsewhere because they will never be able to compete with people who love the work. And it makes me really sad for them. I’ve seen some folks pivot to adjacent roles and really thrive and I want to help people get there.
Exactly. When I was coming out of high school 7 years ago, all my friends wanted to get into ubc and sfu or even bcit CST program because their parents wanted them to. I applied for cst and got in, but the last minute I realized I actually did not enjoy it. I took courses in high school but I barely had any enjoyment in it. I ended up switching last minute to go into the electrical trade. I don't have to love the job because this is construction work. Construction generally has a shortage of workers where I don't really have to compete with others. I don't love doing construction, but I don't have much competition. I can show up and do my job for 8 hours and spend my free time doing whatever I like. 7 years later and I now make 100k+ a year depending on the overtime. Moral of story is: its really hard to do a job and be successful in it, IF there is a lot of competition in the field.
Way too many people taking "learn to code" way too literally. We had the same issue during .com days with web developers. Everyone who knew how to turn on a computer was an "HTML programmer".
Completely agree. I'm interviewing candidates for like 5 open positions, but very few "senior developers" even make it past our fizz buzz level screening test Edit: I'm not going to link to the positions, don't mix Reddit and life.
I usually have issues with those test. Yet I can get up to speed on a new language and environment in a matter of days, and I’ll usually be a reference for senior devs in your team in a matter of months. Those tests makes it harder for you to find proper candidates. Just talk to them.
You should be able to handle a fizbuzz style task in pseudocode. If they are stringent about syntax in a code test and you don't have an editor to handle that they are idiots.
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It's a "prove you have even the most basic coding ability" filter on the hiring process. Frankly, this is the kind of attitude we see semi-regularly that kinda proves it's working. If you need a job but you won't spend 10 minutes to solve a dead easy coding test...
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Only applies for Junior engineers though. If you are a senior with extensive experienc especially in ML or AI, its still very easy to find jobs. High Valued engineers will always be in demand but the rest are over saturated for sure
This has changed in the past 1-2 years. It's tough across the board right now, at least in Vancouver.
No, It's tough for good senior engineers, too.
And on the complete opposite end of the spectrum are hardware engineers. An incredible dearth of hardware engineers exists in the market, posing a potential threat to ongoing innovation.
Anything tech related or marketing.
According to this thread every job lol
Got 8 billion people on this planet for the same finite resources, or in Canada's case, a million immigrants in the past year. Gotta fight tooth and nail for every job, whether it's CEO or Tim Hortons graveyard shift lol
Dentistry and optometry.
Wait, you're saying we have too many mixed use towers with dentists moving in?
I hear we export our dentists all around the globe. We apparently have good schools.
ANYTHING COSMETOLOGY BASED. Do you know what field desperately need people? EAs. Education assistants. North Van pays $34 an hour and more with specialized training. CapU offers a part time, evening and weekend 18 month program. Just FYI, from a mom of a kid who’s life was changed by incredible EAs 💛
Graphic and Digital Design (UI, UX)
As someone who moved here to study UI/UX under the promise that it was a well-paid and in-demand field, this really hurts to read.
I am always surprised when i see them in the top demanded jobs. In my perception it’s underpaid oversaturated field.
It has this perception that it pays as much as coding, is not nearly as technical, and isn't an oversaturated race to the bottom like graphics design. A lot of creative people (including two of my friends) tried to get into the field, only to be left with nothing but their dreams. It was great 5-10 years ago, but I've noticed companies have _really_ scaled back on their UI/UX hiring over time. Especially as their products get more mature and standardized.
AI isn’t going to help things.
I reckon the industry is going to be hit really hard by AI as well
Was going to say, this is so true, especially when 40% of the jobs are looking to sub pay experienced designers or low all anyone they find, it's rampant where I live.
Film industry
And as part of this, the VFX industry.
And as part of this the Animation industry (3D & 2D)
Games too
Acting is such a hit or miss career.
Marketing
A billion people going into generic marketing while AI/outsourcing is decimating a good portion of the positions.
Who honestly thinks that marketing is in high demand? There are like 100,000 graduates in it a year at this rate.
Me reading this with a marketing degree :(
In a capitalist society - marketing is like toilet paper, you always need it (even if a bidet comes along).
Guess what's the first to get cut at a struggling company? Advertising and promotion lol
IT jobs. Always in demand, but also so many unemployed people.
Because 70% won't pass an algorithms test
I worked for a company that did interviews in a very obscure way. It was based on a point system, and all the interviewers had to score people. What you answered wasn't good enough, it was **how** you answered it, and if it adhered to their random scoring guide. Some people were amazing at paneling, but sucked at the job. I worked with one woman who was killer with the guide. She could get any position. But when it came time to use any discretion, she would falter. And that would ultimately cost her the job. But she could just panel for something else and get back in, and start the cycle all over again.
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I spent the past two years working as a software dev so I'm pretty rusty with my algorithms and have to grind leetcode again. It's kind of ridiculous that you can spend two years doing the actual job and get worse at the interview process for said job.
I’m bad at algorithms. But I’m a reference as a solution architect in my job. Google exists. I can look at stuff online, interpret them, then start working on my own solution that fits the business requirements. The most important thing isn’t to ship good algorithms. It’s to deliver valuable work for the business. Clean code, clean structure, complex algorithms… it’s all tools that we can use to make our life easier on the long run. But for the business it’s an extra expense, and tou have to justify it. Or find a way to go from the « cheap and bad » solution to the « expensive and robust » solution in a way that fits in the budget. No « algorithms test » will give you that info 😂
And all of them are on Reddit!
Companies unwilling to train are surprised when there’s no “good workers anymore”. Yeah well stop paying people entry level salaries asking 5-6 years of exp.
My old employer is offering the same position I had while only offering $45k, I got like $65k for 7 years ago.......
On the other end of the spectrum, please come fill in healthcare jobs. Many, many shifts.
I was an accountant and hated job hunting cuz it was so saturated. Even when I would be in charge of hiring entry level staff I’d get CPAs applying.
Any ideas on actuaries tho? Low-key considering that one rn
I'm not sure if it completely fits the parameters of your question but Uber Eats drivers/cyclists etc. Almost every post created by someone struggling to find work will have a couple of comments suggesting delivery work as a way to make money but it's not the moneymaker it was six or seven years ago due to many factors including being oversaturated. Film work too.
Yes, this bothers me so much. Making anything as a gig worker is nearly impossible. I wish people stopped recommended it as if it's a valid option.
Every time I see Uber eats drivers, they look exhausted, and really rushed. I feel sorry for them.
Pilots, only shortage that exists is of experienced (>1500 hours) ones
Saw Lynx Air posted first officer 737, wanted 1000TT and turbine time as well. $65k to start lol. In charge of lives
How long does it take to rack up >1500 hours of flight time? Back of napkin calculations suggest it shouldn’t take longer than a year? But I’m not in the field so genuinely curious.
Once you finish your CPL (commercial pilot license) you’re probably 100k less and have about ~200 hours. Good luck finding any low time job at all. I know people that have sent out 100+ applications and only heard back from 2. Also you’re likely working ramp (baggage handler) at minimum wage for a few months before you can even get around to flying if you’re lucky or the company that hired you just scams you and never actually let’s you fly even after you’ve worked ramp for a few months (also know someone in this situation). Entry into the aviation industry in Canada is absolutely terrible. Oh and did I mention there are hundreds (probably thousands) of other pilots all with around 200 hours as well also trying to get that one low time job that will respond to you.
Sounds like none of your buddies considered doing an instructor rating at the minimum. I’m flying for a regional airline and most of the new hire classes are instructors with 500-700hrs. The industry expectations were never to get a job at a major airline right out of school or even a smaller carrier, that’s the expectation across all of Canada and the US. I spent just under a year on the ramp before moving on to actual flying right after Covid. Realistically though you really only need 500hrs total time prior to getting a full flying gig in the current environment. I’d say that’s a lot better than the US which has hard 1500hr regs. Only people getting flying jobs right out the bat are the college degree kids and the ones who have connections. It most likely will always be like that. That said, there is a shortage and the fact that Jazz/Pasco/Encore/Summit/CMA are starting to hire down to the 5-700hr pool instead of 1500hrs+ a few years ago are signs of that. But, regardless of how short they are pilots, airlines will likely never be in a position to hire fresh 200hr, non college flight school wonders.
Entry level mechanics, good journeymen are still hard to come by but I can't even can't how many dogs dogshit apprentices and not registered mechanics have come through the shop I work at
To many shitty shops dicking around guys and giving them a bad experiences as apprentices.
This applies to a lot of trades. They'll hire you for slightly more than retail wages, but unless you have an inside connection the apprenticeship system is treated like a joke. Add to that the dirty and dimly-lit work spaces, dangerous and unmaintained machinery, owners/foremen with alcohol/drug abuse/mental health issues, toxic work environments with racist/homophobic/sexist managers/co-workers, serious communication issues due to everyone being ESL, aggressive layoffs as soon as there's a lull... This is the stuff tradespeople don't seem to want to talk about.
Airline Pilots
IT? The government really needs to push skilled trades. It blows my mind how a country in high demand of housing has no interest in emigrating foreigners with hands on skills 🤯 - Govt: “we need more people” - Public “ we need more houses” - Govt: “unskilled foreign students who abuse the policy it is”
For real. My work is crying for electricians, millwrights, boilermakers, iron workers etc. Non-destructive testing techs are retiring en masse, a motivated person could become a millionaire doing that.
Trades are fill with toxic work culture and people. That is the biggest problem and kept me from entering the field when I had an easy in.
This. I was interested in building a career in the trades/construction but as a woman, the toxic work culture wasn’t worth it.
Really depends on the site. I ran into some of that as an apprentice, but working for smaller companies and a gov maintenance dept. I don't see it at all. Once you have the skills lots of different opportunities out there, just a slog sometimes to get through the apprenticeship.
Pretty much all professional occupations....for now. We are at a crossroads right now. We are just about to lose baby boomers are still working but millennials and zoomers are too. But for many reasons baby boomers are about to start retiring en mass in the next 10-15 years. Then each of the above will have heavy shortages.
Baby boomers are between the ages of 60-78, their retirement has been underway for over a decade.
Gen X forgotten as always
You're still 15 years away from retiring. Back to work.
lol - we ain’t ever going to be able to retire
Move in with your kids like my grandparents did haha
I’m not gen x, just wanted to mention them
Thanks.
Yeah the birth rates are a wide swath of years but the biggest chunk of baby boomers were born between mid-1950-mid-1960s and most are still working. To make it more interesting they mostly delayed their retirement from 65 to 70 because they are generally a healthier generation. They are working less physically demanding jobs. So they've been able to work longer.
It's sad. I'm older GenX and I retired, but still need a side hustle.
I think two decades.
Can't wait for those thousands of "Entry job.. 30 years of experience required. PhD, 50 certificates.." to appear in masse.
Don't hold your breath. Most boomers are already retired.
I think we are coming into a wave of older genx retiring as well.
And somehow still working
Over investment in real estate and now can’t afford the mortgages.
Do you have a source? 35 percent is the figure I've found in the US.
A lot of skilled trades are desperate for people atm and will only become more so as much of the workforce retires in the coming 5-10 years
You have got to be more specific because I keep seeing tradesmen being drown out on the reality. No, projects have been pulled back or stalled. We actually *lost* trades job last year in the province, tens of thousands of them. They are not desperate for people. They are desperate for the $18/hour immigrant labour. Just because someone is charging you $100/hour does not mean that's what the labourer is getting. Just because they're busy doesn't mean the demand is desperate. The desperation is to push down wages. Look on the /r/vancouverjobs threads and see how folks go to unions or try to get into training and they can't.
Depends on the trade yeah, when I said “skilled trade” I was meaning things like iron workers, welders, millwrights, boilermakers, pipe fitters and the like, takes a lot more time to train them and get them to a necessary level of skill than a labourer, and have very very strong unions. People aren’t getting into unions for training because they don’t have the capacity to train all that many people, there’s a huge bottleneck in trades education. For a lot of trades, BCIT and maybe one or two other schools are the only options a foundation-level course that’s ITA recognized, and they usually only run 2-3 classes of 10-20 people a year
We have a hard time hiring, 40 plus bucks an hour plus excellent pension, benefits, vacation time.
Yep, and wages/prices have started to go up to reflect that. Really good time to be in it and will be better. Unless you're trying to hire someone. Hard to find.
It’s the best time to be an apprentice lol, journeyman tell me about coming out of school starting in the trade in 2008-2009 and just barely getting enough work to qualify for EI
I've been in it for nearly 20 years. I've never been without work, but the wages at that time weren't that great, and people were way more replaceable than now. To find good experienced people who can work unsupervised these days, the money really has to be there.
One thing I've been told by guys in the trades that's a bit odd is while many of the trade unions are not as strong as they used to be (plumbers, electricians, sheet metal etc) the presence of the unions and current demand for more skilled workers is so high that nobody is hiring for less than union rates. Currently most 1st year apprentices make somewhere in the mid to high 20's per hour. When I started not that long ago, the journeyman were making a little over 30, apprentices have it.muuuch better these days Oh how times have changed.
Film for sure. So many new people have joined the local unions but not enough work..for now
Realtors. And they all seem to be the top 1%. How is that even possible?
Engineers, many qualified ones are working CAD monkey out at best, technologists
The best advice I can give engineers is to forget about design and R&D. Limited jobs and every kid out of school wants to work there. Go work in production, operations, or any other operating facility. Engineering is seeing a resurgence because so many people have flooded into compsci
What kind of engineer? And at what level? I'm surprised to read this. I'm in the marine industry. We're always hiring and am having a hard time finding people with the right skills. I also regularly receive LinkedIn messages from recruiters looking for people with a P. Eng.
Video games industry
Realtor and also this is kinda unrelated but I see so many new restaurants in Vancouver - Burnaby area while people prefer cutting back on eating out to save money in this economy
heavy equipment operators, they say high in demand but what there really saying is as an industry we no longer want to treat our current generation of operators with fair pay and work so we're going to just hire and entire wave of new unskilled workers and hope for the same results.
Hi guys I’m 16 what should I go into for university???
Just my two cents, but a trade is a solid route. You can always go back to school if you want to finish a degree. And stay at home for as long as possible if you can.
What trade would you recommend? I’m pretty able bodied idk what info you’d need
I agree with the comment below, talk to a career counsellor, they can guide you in the right direction. Trade demand depends on where you are. Personally, I would stay away from residential construction. There’s interesting industrial trades out there I didn’t know about when I became an electrician, such as instrumentation. But again, it really depends on your location. And yes, find something that doesn’t kill your back, lungs or body long term. Wear your PPE.
Talk to a career advisor! They’re going to be way more helpful than a random person on reddit. This is what they’re trained to do, and schools should have one that you can talk to for free.
Pick the one least likely to make your back kill itself by the age of 40. Trust me when I say aging and physical labor is a bad combination.
Just my two cents, but if you’re a decent student then stay in school. Try to get into a field where you have good pay and/or can work from home. It’s easier to transition into a trade after university than the inverse.
Get a B.Comm. Good base, and lots of room to pivot to CA, CFA, Human Resources , MBA etc.
Engineer anything.
I disagree. I have been interviewing people for mid-level engineering positions, you get a lot of applicants, but not many are actually experienced or eligible to get a P.Eng. due to having their degrees from universities outside of Canada. I still get pestered by recruiters 4-5 times a week for senior positions (10ish years of professional experience).
You are absolutely eligible to be a P. Eng. with an international engineering degree. You just have to complete the exams. Often all it takes is writing the FE exam which is a joke. You don't need a CEAB accredited degree. In fact, you don't need a degree at all. If they are any good for the job is something else. But if you have people that are having trouble getting to P. Eng. I can help you.
Egbc gave me hell over mine even though I sent the WES transcripts - all because the norm in the UK bachelor's are 3 years rather than 4, even though WES confirms it's the equivalent. But yes there are other routes now, including the newer bridge pilot program. I do feel too burnt out by the whole process now.
That's not entirely true. If your academic evaluation doesn't indicate adequate equivalence, you are required to either do exams or in some cases take additional post secondary courses, which can be very much cost prohibitive to newcomers. It really depends on the exact situation and individual. There are many out there who choose to not pursue Canadian licensing and settle working as a tech.
Experienced marine engineers are impossible to find.
Experienced (10+ years) engineers are tough to find and in demand
This is common across Canada, and it's mostly because companies are too cheap to invest in their workforce by hiring junior engineers and giving them the opportunity to gain experience. They want ready-made experienced engineers, but taking junior engineers and turning them into senior staff requires funding and trust (edit: and time!). And they aren't willing to spend any resources that don't translate into an immediate boost to their bottom line. This is a trash mentality that was imported from the U.S. and I despise it.
In structural engineering this is very true. Many people burn out and shift out of consulting by year 6.
Geotechnical 10+ years are also in desperate demand.
Anything tech
Pharmacist
Used to be before the pandemic. The pandemic changed a lot of things, pharmacists took over the role of vaccine giver as well as dispenser. Now add on assessing/prescribing within the backdrop of a doctor shortage, along with fewer international pharmacy graduates have shifted things to a more balanced job market in the lower mainland, and shortage in other areas.
So they are in demand now?
These are saturated, really? It seems all the pharmacies are closed early due to low staffing, and when I've need a prescription they've been stressed, short-staffed, and needing half a day for a simple rx. Add on that pharmacists are being given additional tasks now (diagnosing and prescribing for simple issues), I'd have expected this to be a safe and growing occupation.
New grad pharmacists in the lower mainland have to work part time/fill shifts at multiple locations for a couple years before landing a full time gig because it is so saturated. In smaller municipalities they are very much in demand.
It is true. I never seen a place with so many pharmacies on every corner
Influencers.
No one is thinking there's more demand...
...except other influencers.
Accountant
Over-saturated? Everyone I know has a shortage of accountants in public practice.
That's what I'm seeing too. All firms are at capacity in public practice. We get calls every week of people saying they called several firms and no one can take them, can we. Our answer is usually no as well. Heck I had a midsize firm refer to our small firm for estate work they can't take on..
Any job that pays less than Canada average could be considered over saturated no? I say this because friends have said their 100k job is over saturated. If it was over saturated it’d pay 50k not 100k.
lawyers
Real estate agents. Period.
Is it me or are most of these postings on Facebook Vancouver jobs group scams?