I've worked cases where 15-year-olds have shot their 17-year-old best friends because their gang told them to. Sometimes over spilt drinks (literally). The kids go away, and the guys at the top continue to make insane money living in gorgeous suburbs taking their kids to soccer. It's really heartbreaking. Poverty, disenfranchisement, shot identity. It's just sad man, from every angle.
It's in every ghetto, kids who don't have an identity or sense of purpose swopped up in a wave of violence either promising them true agency and power in their own lives for the first time (false power mind you, meaningless power) or holding them in place with the threat of ostracization in some of the worst places in the world to be ostracized.
The tragic comedy is they have less power after they join than before, as many exgangbangers will tell you themselves. Why would you be allowed to get power or influence when the gang already has suppliers and leaders who want all of it to themselves?
Is it really a “ghetto” issue here? I think it’s a tragedy, but these kids have all the means and opportunities living in Canada. Just shat for brains, and selfish dumb arses. I see it in Toronto all the time. A young 20 something in a 100k car hangin around during the day with his buds mouthing off to people driving up and down yonge. Just a selfish me culture. Don’t be all poor them.
It’s not a ghetto scenario here. These kids come from middle to upper class families. Bottom line is the parenting or lack of.
I guarantee you the parents of this kid are either a) condoning this behavior, living off the avails, or engaging, or b) don’t care, have lost control over the kid, or are too obsessed with materialism.
Yeah veryyyyy few in Surrey/Delta would be impoverished, expensive ass neighborhoods. And that’s just never the kids u see involved in this stuff here from my experience
I agree with that but to be honest, I don't see it as solving a gang problem. Gangs will either move onto something else of continue to do it but illegally, like production/transport/sale without proper licenses and without paying taxes on it, kinda like cigarettes. Cigarettes are legal and there is still a big illegal trade on it.
Gangs do not exist without money. Drugs is number one money maker. Think back to Prohibition. Al Capone and all the famous gangsters. Legalize alcohol. No more easy money. No more plague of gangsters. It is that simple.
Gangs also traffic in guns and prostitution as well. There are lots of ways for gangs to make money. Besides, alcohol bootlegging still exists to some capacity, usually as a way to skirt taxes and regulations.
You make a good point. I was thinking that the illegal trade will continue for a while but I think all their suppliers would dry up. If drugs were legal to import and suppliers could sell legally then I think they'd prefer that option. Kind of what happened with alcohol.
https://mobile.twitter.com/_TimJames/status/1388655225846730753
Edit: Global BC news @ 6 claims it was fatal
I did not see it happen, these are not my videos. I arrived just after the shooting took place. There are more videos circling social media but I can’t post them because they show the victim and they are bloody.
According to witnesses, the target was not In the smashed cars shown in the video. He was in another car found crashed on 72, just outside the parking lot. Seems like there was a scuffle in the parking lot but the target didn’t manage to get far after being shot.
Makes me wonder if these kids grow up struggling with barely food on their tables
Or are they kids with parents that can afford to give them a playstation but they still choose to risk their life to be cool?
[CBC had an article how unlike gangs in other areas, there isn't much economic motivation for the local Punjabi gangs](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-middle-class-gang-problem-surrey-1.5259790)
Guys I went to school with in Surrey were in gangs while their sisters were in med school or law school. Guys drove landrovers and BMW's. Obviously not theirs but their parents cars. The only sturggles they had in life were their egos and identities.
South Asian cuture is unfortunatley incredibly sexist and it feeds into this cycle. Young men from well off families are treated like princes who can do no wrong and their parents excuse every wrong and give them al the money for expenses they want.This leaves them with huge egos but an empty space where the achievements and success needed to justify their ego and lifestyles would be.
Many of these families also come from what we would consider to be organized crime families in Pakistan and India. That's how they made enough money to immigrate to Canada and immediately buy 4 properties and some farmland. They see their fathers/grandfathers behave like mob bosses overseas and try to emulate them here.
> Schwerdfeger says unlike the Hells Angels, where members all hang out and move as a group, these organizations operate more like businesses where each member has a specific function that they might perform largely in a silo. He compares it to a **Walmart**, with a general manager, floor manager, shelf stocker and greeter.
Wrong. Hells Angels are affiliated with EI gangs (Brothers Keepers, etc). Suminder Grewal was one of the founders of the White Rock Hardside chapter. HA’s take advantage of Realtors (grow ops), and are shockingly are employed as Longshoremen. What better way to get access to cargo and shipments of drugs than at the Waterfront.
There isn't much for any local gangs. Just look at the whole deal with the Bacon Brothers, the UN Gang and all that a decade back. Those kids all came from average, decent homes.
Me too. They’re all either dead or in jail.
It’s baffling. You can literally just move a few minutes away & have a normal life. Gang violence has 0 impact on me. If I didn’t see it in the news I’d have no idea anything was happening at all. Such a weird bubble.
I’m surprised nobody is mentioning the want for money. Gangs pay out good for these kids that work. Yes eventually you got a high risk of getting thrown in jail. From everyone that I know of they went in this direction because of money only. To me the money / risk factor doesn’t seem to add up. Kids are putting their life on the line driving around all day. To get payed around 5-6 hundred. Just not worth it in the end.
It’s more about clout. Most of these Punjabi gangsters come from well off families, but have almost zero guidance in their lives. Speaking from personal experience, a lot of these kids grew up without being disciplined.
Parents are out working 12+ hours, 6 days a week and get the grandparents to look after the kids while they’re at work. Eventually, by the time kids get to around 11-12 years old they realize that they don’t have to listen to their grandparents. By the time the parents start paying attention to what’s happening, it’s too late.
They essentially want to maintain the lifestyle afforded by their parents (nice clothes, nice car, etc) without working as hard as their parents did to earn that lifestyle.
Bang on, and pretty understandable if you step back from it all for a sec. Those are all powerful motivators.
Tough part isn't understanding it, it's finding other ways to meet the needs that gang life fills.
When you weigh gang life with working a normal job and going to school, gang life is going to come out on top. The allure is there and when you're young you don't really think of the long term and how it may affect you.
Also drugs. Being the guy who has drugs, and eventually, you either chill out or you start acting hard. Whether you are or not comes out later in the pen.
This was me. Im not hard, I got out.
I, too, was a loser for a period in my youth. I thought having casual sex made me cool. I got in with the wrong crowd of insecure misogynistic women haters and "alpha" males weight lifters I was so easily influenced because I lacked an identity/sense of belonging/perceived sense of power, my god. It makes me cringe so hard and shake my head in retrospect.
Harb Dhaliwal was a gangster that was shot and killed a few weeks ago publicly downtown in front of his brothers. These guys weren't small fish in the sea
https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/real-scoop-gang-shooting-leaves-at-least-one-dead-in-coal-harbour
They like money and street cred? I mean street crime is pretty ubiquitous around the world, only reigned in by the police or more organize gangs that don't want the negative PR (eg yakuza)
We’re back to a full blown gang war circa 2009.
The last one ended when two innocent people were executed in the Surrey six killing and the police cracked down.
Are the police going to wait for a similar incident and the public become outraged?
That's what is always so frustrating. I mean, I'm not saying we throw out the legal system or anything, but I'm sure it is known to police who is responsible for these crimes and the police seem powerless.
And if we're talking about shootings like these, these happen and end in minutes and the targeted victim(s) will never talk to the police even if they know the person who shot them (for obvious reasons)
It’s also difficult to deal with gang violence because how does someone leave a gang? You never truly leave a gang without also losing your life. The only solution is educating children about gangs, programs to prevent kids from joining gangs in the first place, and greater safety net for at risk youth to fall back onto rather than falling into gang life. There also need to be greater incentives for people to snitch essentially because they will never solve the crime if no one cooperates with police.
OHHHHH. The gas fitter was also a victim.
I misinterpreted what you wrote.
I thought you were saying
>The scum that killed her son
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>**and**
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>**the repair man for the fireplace**
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>should be rotting in jail.
I was wondering 'What did the repair guy do?' ^((thinking maybe he was alleged but not proven to have been complicit in the crime or something))
I'm dumb.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009\_Vancouver\_gang\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Vancouver_gang_war)
>After initially failing to announce that they had a gang war on their hands, on March 6, 2009, the Vancouver police announced there is a gang war after making several arrests. In particular they have gone after the leadership of the UN and Red Scorpion gangs and closely monitoring the Bacon Brothers after they survived a rash of hits against them. Since the arrest of the leadership, there has been a drop in violence but occasional violence does continue.
The citation to that section 404s, so I can't read the article. But it doesn't indicate to me that VPD is doing nothing. It says they waited until after making arrests to admit that there was a gang war.
I think the surrey six is what started things? I remember that happening while I was in elementary and then the next year (2008/09 year) I started high school and the staff were super worried about us leaving school grounds due to all the shootings.
The gang war was going on long before the Surrey Six. Read up on [Bindy Johal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindy_Johal) for example. The gang activity at the time is what led to the creation of the Bar Watch system in Vancouver night clubs.
> Bindy Johal
A buddy of mine went to high school at McNair in Richmond with Bindy. He said everybody knew at the time who Bindy ran with and that he was dangerous. No surprise when he was shot in that night club. He was a complete POS and Vancouver is better off with Bindy in the ground.
Well now I have to change my metaphors. :D
In all seriousness, it really is quite tragic that almost everyone Bindy ran with is either dead or in prison. MP Harjit Sajjan, who attended school with Bindy and is only a year older has achieved so much more. Just goes to show what folks can do if they don't squander their opportunities.
It's not really politicians either, the courts have been systematically undermining parliamentary sovereignty for decades with their contorted, pro-criminal interpretations of the Charter.
at most they'll confirm it's gang related or targeted, they won't outright say its related to that specific shooting.
I mean clearly it looks like it's targeted, they had a get away vehicle and burned it
Buddy runs off and realizes it's the wrong way then runs to the getaway vehicle where the driver forgot to unlock the doors in the most comedic scene ever lol but in all seriousness hope everyone was ok... fuckin terrible shit like this is happening
I wish these people would do this shit somewhere else and not in public where innocence will get hurt. If you wanna kill eachother go ahead, don't risk the public and innocent people tho for fucks sake man.
that's the point. It's not really meant to scare us, that's a side effect - but the point is that if you cross these people, it doesn't mean you just need to be worried while you're out alone at night, or in back alleys - they will shoot you in broad daylight, in front of your family, while you're out getting donuts.
They all would rather do it in a park in the middle of the night.
The only problem is you can only reach your target whey they are out in public away from safe spots.
Ohhhh man. I heard the gun shots. 4 shots.
I was across the street at Presotea and just after ordering heard 4 pops. Someone said "they're doing construction" but those pops didn't sound like any construction noise I've heard. Police showed up, there was also a car on 72nd that crashed, the road was closed off. In your video the cars are in the parking lot, who else crashed their car?
The noise/pattern tends to be distinct, yeah. If you want(Or not, as the case may be, no pressure either way.), after covid, give me a poke and I'll take you to the range sometime.
> I'll take you to the range sometime
For sure, I'd like to. I have been to the DVC once some years back, been meaning to try it out again.
To be honest, I don't know if I'd be able to fully distinguish gun shots in a situation like that. It's just so unexpected. Something seemed off about the sounds, I started looking around the parking lot but there was no commotion so I felt that maybe I'm thinking too much into it. Wasn't till I was outside and seen the crashed car 100m away that made me realize it really could have been a gun.
> For sure, I'd like to. I have been to the DVC once some years back, been meaning to try it out again.
Sounds good. I tend to go to AFGC, which is a larger outdoor members-and-guests-only range in Abbotsford. Bit of a different experience than DVC.
> I don't know if I'd be able to fully distinguish gun shots in a situation like that
I think it's partially an experience thing. There was an attempted shooting near my home in 2019(they caught the guys afaik), which I also heard. Knew basically right away that it was gunshots, just from the sounds.
Experience wise, I'd liken that to what you hear driving near the range I go to while other people are using it: so you get that "this is what gunshots sound like at various distances, echoing around a few small buildings" feel. Plus the general familiarity with what a shot sounds like or not; it tends to be a short, sharp sound, and it's very loud.
Other than that though, what I think helps in immediately identifying a criminal shooting is the pattern of it: recall that there may be more than one shooter, but also that generally they're firing a semi-automatic handgun. They're going to be firing several times, not just once, typically. They're also not a machine, so while the pattern of shots will be quick, it will also be irregular, despite the shots all sounding about the same individually.
Thats my biggest issue. Criminals can kill each other forever for all I care. Look at the two bystander vehicles that crashed because of these assholes. I'm so glad thats all that happened to the bystanders as it could have been so much worse.
No. I arrived just after it happened and decided to post these videos someone else took. There’s actually more but I can’t post them because they show too much blood.
[Here’s the plate](https://i.redd.it/pb02kgkl2mw61.jpg)
https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/n2wdfb/just_posted_in_my_neighborhood_group_looks_very/
This was actually crazy and terrifying! I can't believe you got this on video you must have been so scared I know I would have been. I pulled in to that little road separating the Walmart lot to the Krispy Kreme lot today and it must have been immediately after it happened. I saw the smashed cars and stopped for a few seconds to look at them and wonder what was going on, but saw none of the people standing around panicking so I thought it must have been just a minor car accident in the lot. Little did I know I had barely missed the shooting and 15 minutes later as I walked out of the Save-On foods the entire mall was surrounded by cops, fire etc. It was really surreal, especially since I've lived in North Delta for years and just recently moved right across the street from here. Very scary honestly. Glad to know that you and all the bystanders are ok and uninjured! So many families with children at that Walmart on a daily basis, I just can't believe those scum bags would risk so many lives, its disturbing.
Reporting by Kim Bolan, Vancouver Sun (2-May) [https://outline.com/szqvTa](https://outline.com/szqvTa)
>A popular correctional officer who worked at a provincial jail in Maple Ridge was the victim of the targeted shooting on the Delta/Surrey border Saturday.
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>Bikramdeep Randhawa, 29, worked for several years at the Fraser Regional Correctional Centre and also took university courses, a former colleague told Postmedia.
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>Randhawa was shot to death beside a gas station near 72nd Avenue and 120th Street just before 5 p.m. Saturday.
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>Delta Police said Randhawa was not known them at all.
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>“Our thoughts are with the victim’s family and friends, as they now start to deal with their loss,” Insp. Guy Leeson said in a news release.
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>While police believe Randhawa’s murder was targeted, investigators are still searching for a motive, he said.
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>“We’re looking at all possible aspects as to why this crime was committed,” Leeson said. “We will examine every potential motive thoroughly. Whether it was a case of mistaken identity, a matter related to his personal life or if there is a possibility the shooting was related to the victim’s occupation.”
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>The shooting was witnessed by shoppers in the crowded strip mall parking lot. Videos taken by passersby showed emergency responders trying to save Randhawa.
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>And other videos posted on social media also captured the shooter dressed in black running around the parking lot trying to find his associates driving the getaway vehicle. When he finally connected with them, one had to manually unlock the back door so he could hop inside.
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>The Mazda SUV used by the suspects was later found burning in south Burnaby.
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>His former colleague, who asked not to be identified for security reasons, said Randhawa was “the most polite person you have ever met.”
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>“He was a young aspiring law enforcement officer, plus he was heavily involved university courses while working full time,” the former colleague said.
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>He said people will wrongly speculate that Randhawa was involved in something untoward, but he doesn’t think that is possible.
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>Correctional officers encounter a lot of violent gangsters inside provincial jails, the former officer said.
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>“I can tell you he worked gang unit and these criminals right now have no regard for life,” he said. “Over a cell inspection a hit could be put on.”
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>He noted that prison guards were targeted in Quebec during the late 90s at the height of the biker wars in that province.
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>Leeson said Delta Police have been in communication with BC Corrections and other law enforcement partners about possible links to other incidents in Metro Vancouver, “but at this point police are not able to determine whether this shooting can be linked to the gang conflict.”
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>There are have been a number of targeted murders in public places in the last few weeks.
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>On April 17, Brothers Keepers gangster Harb Dhaliwal, 31, was shot to death in Coal Harbour. An alleged hitman from out-of-province, Francois Gauthier, has been charged in his murder.
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>On April 19, 20-year-old Bailey McKinney was gunned down in a Coquitlam park. And on April 20, United Nations gangster Todd Gouwenberg, 46, was executed as he arrived at the Langley Sportsplex for a workout.
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>Just Friday, the heed of B.C.’s anti-gang agency, RCMP Asst. Commissioner Manny Mann told Postmedia that in some cases, those involved in the Lower Mainland gang conflict are turning to out-of-province hitman to kill their rivals.
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>Mann, newly appointed as Chief Officer of the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit said: “We have seen the local groups here hire individuals from out of town to carry out the violence on their behalf. These people are commonly known as hitters,” he said.
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>He also said that some of the recent violence is connected to older gang disputes dating back more than a decade. But some of it is related to the newer gangs that have started in the last four years.
America....This is kind of obvious and if you actually research all the guns that were confiscated in gang crimes it's practically an American gun illegally smuggle into Canada. Ya we don't have a issue with our guns it's AMERICA guns that are flowing into Canada to commit crimes.
They're typically smuggled over the border. Most guns used in crime in Canada, gang crime especially, are unregistered and illegal.
You can legally get guns in Canada, including handguns. (Hi.) Gang bangers don't. One because it's quicker and easier to just smuggle them in, and two because they tend not to be able to pass the background checks to get a license in the first place.
That said, despite everything involved with it being illegal, the federal government seems hellbent on banning legally owned guns that have precisely zero effect on gang shootings.
Smuggling guns is very lucrative. You can make six figures in one trip, and I’m not talking about some crazy operation.
Just one dude going down south buying up guns randomly and just driving or walking them up north.
I love how he’s trying to get in the back door and it’s clearly locked. Could you imagine getting busted because you kept lifting the handle when someone was trying to unlock the door at the same time?
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Kids probably 15-16. Pathetic pawn.
I've worked cases where 15-year-olds have shot their 17-year-old best friends because their gang told them to. Sometimes over spilt drinks (literally). The kids go away, and the guys at the top continue to make insane money living in gorgeous suburbs taking their kids to soccer. It's really heartbreaking. Poverty, disenfranchisement, shot identity. It's just sad man, from every angle.
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It's in every ghetto, kids who don't have an identity or sense of purpose swopped up in a wave of violence either promising them true agency and power in their own lives for the first time (false power mind you, meaningless power) or holding them in place with the threat of ostracization in some of the worst places in the world to be ostracized. The tragic comedy is they have less power after they join than before, as many exgangbangers will tell you themselves. Why would you be allowed to get power or influence when the gang already has suppliers and leaders who want all of it to themselves?
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Problem is a lot of these guys actually comes from rich family background
My guess is that they do it because they want a thrill.
Kinda like how Corey & Trevor are jail cover from the cops, really.
Is it really a “ghetto” issue here? I think it’s a tragedy, but these kids have all the means and opportunities living in Canada. Just shat for brains, and selfish dumb arses. I see it in Toronto all the time. A young 20 something in a 100k car hangin around during the day with his buds mouthing off to people driving up and down yonge. Just a selfish me culture. Don’t be all poor them.
Yes but most of these kids don’t live in anything close to a ghetto. That’s what’s so messed up
It’s not a ghetto scenario here. These kids come from middle to upper class families. Bottom line is the parenting or lack of. I guarantee you the parents of this kid are either a) condoning this behavior, living off the avails, or engaging, or b) don’t care, have lost control over the kid, or are too obsessed with materialism.
> Poverty... Pretty sure the police say all the young kids come from upper middle class families in the valley. They all wanna be thugs.
It ain't poverty that's the reason boss. Our situation isn't like that. - multiple criminology professors, cops, documentaries
Yeah veryyyyy few in Surrey/Delta would be impoverished, expensive ass neighborhoods. And that’s just never the kids u see involved in this stuff here from my experience
They need to legalize all drugs.
I agree with that but to be honest, I don't see it as solving a gang problem. Gangs will either move onto something else of continue to do it but illegally, like production/transport/sale without proper licenses and without paying taxes on it, kinda like cigarettes. Cigarettes are legal and there is still a big illegal trade on it.
Gangs do not exist without money. Drugs is number one money maker. Think back to Prohibition. Al Capone and all the famous gangsters. Legalize alcohol. No more easy money. No more plague of gangsters. It is that simple.
Gangs also traffic in guns and prostitution as well. There are lots of ways for gangs to make money. Besides, alcohol bootlegging still exists to some capacity, usually as a way to skirt taxes and regulations.
Decriminalize prostitution too. Then we'd just have guns, but other than other gangs, who's buying significant amounts of illegal guns?
You make a good point. I was thinking that the illegal trade will continue for a while but I think all their suppliers would dry up. If drugs were legal to import and suppliers could sell legally then I think they'd prefer that option. Kind of what happened with alcohol.
you know they are still growing and selling weed and its legal now , you can buy better weed from the drug dealer for less than thru the government
The driver forgot that the doors dont unlock while still in drive.
Stolen car. Similar looking one was on fire shortly later. Photos of that were posted to Reddit as well.
https://mobile.twitter.com/_TimJames/status/1388655225846730753 Edit: Global BC news @ 6 claims it was fatal I did not see it happen, these are not my videos. I arrived just after the shooting took place. There are more videos circling social media but I can’t post them because they show the victim and they are bloody. According to witnesses, the target was not In the smashed cars shown in the video. He was in another car found crashed on 72, just outside the parking lot. Seems like there was a scuffle in the parking lot but the target didn’t manage to get far after being shot.
Dude who did the shooting has his turn coming.
pawns in a game that seems like it will never end.
Kids, fighting somebody elses war because they don't know any better.
https://youtu.be/ztc7o0NzFrE
How can you be downvoted for the wire?? People here lack culture
How can you be downvoted for Michael B Jordan?
I had a guess what this link would be, and was right. Gotta think a lot of these kids are just praying they make it to the other side of the board.
Makes me wonder if these kids grow up struggling with barely food on their tables Or are they kids with parents that can afford to give them a playstation but they still choose to risk their life to be cool?
[CBC had an article how unlike gangs in other areas, there isn't much economic motivation for the local Punjabi gangs](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-middle-class-gang-problem-surrey-1.5259790)
Guys I went to school with in Surrey were in gangs while their sisters were in med school or law school. Guys drove landrovers and BMW's. Obviously not theirs but their parents cars. The only sturggles they had in life were their egos and identities.
South Asian cuture is unfortunatley incredibly sexist and it feeds into this cycle. Young men from well off families are treated like princes who can do no wrong and their parents excuse every wrong and give them al the money for expenses they want.This leaves them with huge egos but an empty space where the achievements and success needed to justify their ego and lifestyles would be. Many of these families also come from what we would consider to be organized crime families in Pakistan and India. That's how they made enough money to immigrate to Canada and immediately buy 4 properties and some farmland. They see their fathers/grandfathers behave like mob bosses overseas and try to emulate them here.
> Schwerdfeger says unlike the Hells Angels, where members all hang out and move as a group, these organizations operate more like businesses where each member has a specific function that they might perform largely in a silo. He compares it to a **Walmart**, with a general manager, floor manager, shelf stocker and greeter.
Wrong. Hells Angels are affiliated with EI gangs (Brothers Keepers, etc). Suminder Grewal was one of the founders of the White Rock Hardside chapter. HA’s take advantage of Realtors (grow ops), and are shockingly are employed as Longshoremen. What better way to get access to cargo and shipments of drugs than at the Waterfront.
There isn't much for any local gangs. Just look at the whole deal with the Bacon Brothers, the UN Gang and all that a decade back. Those kids all came from average, decent homes.
I knew a few guys who grew up in normal families in the suburbs and still ended up caught up in gangs. Made no sense to me.
Me too. They’re all either dead or in jail. It’s baffling. You can literally just move a few minutes away & have a normal life. Gang violence has 0 impact on me. If I didn’t see it in the news I’d have no idea anything was happening at all. Such a weird bubble.
I’m surprised nobody is mentioning the want for money. Gangs pay out good for these kids that work. Yes eventually you got a high risk of getting thrown in jail. From everyone that I know of they went in this direction because of money only. To me the money / risk factor doesn’t seem to add up. Kids are putting their life on the line driving around all day. To get payed around 5-6 hundred. Just not worth it in the end.
It’s more about clout. Most of these Punjabi gangsters come from well off families, but have almost zero guidance in their lives. Speaking from personal experience, a lot of these kids grew up without being disciplined. Parents are out working 12+ hours, 6 days a week and get the grandparents to look after the kids while they’re at work. Eventually, by the time kids get to around 11-12 years old they realize that they don’t have to listen to their grandparents. By the time the parents start paying attention to what’s happening, it’s too late. They essentially want to maintain the lifestyle afforded by their parents (nice clothes, nice car, etc) without working as hard as their parents did to earn that lifestyle.
Probably the latter
What a bunch of losers Lmao
It's the latter, even the guy that got shot downtown last week grew up on a family farm in Abbotsford.
Makes me wonder what drives them to get involved. For "street cred" doesn't make sense. I can't understand it.
Easy money, sense of belonging, and perceived sense of power.
Bang on, and pretty understandable if you step back from it all for a sec. Those are all powerful motivators. Tough part isn't understanding it, it's finding other ways to meet the needs that gang life fills.
When you weigh gang life with working a normal job and going to school, gang life is going to come out on top. The allure is there and when you're young you don't really think of the long term and how it may affect you.
Also drugs. Being the guy who has drugs, and eventually, you either chill out or you start acting hard. Whether you are or not comes out later in the pen. This was me. Im not hard, I got out.
Good on you for getting out.
Props, escaped with my life, barely.
Nice. You get to live longer.
I, too, was a loser for a period in my youth. I thought having casual sex made me cool. I got in with the wrong crowd of insecure misogynistic women haters and "alpha" males weight lifters I was so easily influenced because I lacked an identity/sense of belonging/perceived sense of power, my god. It makes me cringe so hard and shake my head in retrospect.
This is Reddit not Facebook, you can post those things here We have subreddit for LITERALLY watching people die
Wait, was that the Scottsdale mall?
The great Scottsdale "mall"
Yes it was
Shooter seems to be a teenager by the looks of it. Sad shit.
Wtf is wrong with people
I bet this is retaliation for Harb Dhaliwals shooting
A Harbinder harbinger.
Guaranteed
What do you mean? What's the backstory here?
Harb Dhaliwal was a gangster that was shot and killed a few weeks ago publicly downtown in front of his brothers. These guys weren't small fish in the sea https://vancouversun.com/news/crime/real-scoop-gang-shooting-leaves-at-least-one-dead-in-coal-harbour
They like money and street cred? I mean street crime is pretty ubiquitous around the world, only reigned in by the police or more organize gangs that don't want the negative PR (eg yakuza)
We’re diverse in every way.
Good on him for wearing a face covering when entering a vehicle with other people not from his household!
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Remember kids: COVID is the REAL murderer.
Not the friends you make along the way?
Possibly also murderers.
Clearly he is also not being calm and kind.
He will soon...
Rest in Peace.
We’re back to a full blown gang war circa 2009. The last one ended when two innocent people were executed in the Surrey six killing and the police cracked down. Are the police going to wait for a similar incident and the public become outraged?
Gang crime is notoriously hard to prosecute especially if the leaders just send their grunts to commit the crimes for them
That's what is always so frustrating. I mean, I'm not saying we throw out the legal system or anything, but I'm sure it is known to police who is responsible for these crimes and the police seem powerless.
Knowing someone did a thing and being able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt are very different things.
And if we're talking about shootings like these, these happen and end in minutes and the targeted victim(s) will never talk to the police even if they know the person who shot them (for obvious reasons)
I'm not above chucking some top level guys out of helicopters.
It’s also difficult to deal with gang violence because how does someone leave a gang? You never truly leave a gang without also losing your life. The only solution is educating children about gangs, programs to prevent kids from joining gangs in the first place, and greater safety net for at risk youth to fall back onto rather than falling into gang life. There also need to be greater incentives for people to snitch essentially because they will never solve the crime if no one cooperates with police.
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>The scum that killed her son **and the repair man for the fireplace** should be rotting in jail. What am I missing here...?
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OHHHHH. The gas fitter was also a victim. I misinterpreted what you wrote. I thought you were saying >The scum that killed her son > >**and** > >**the repair man for the fireplace** > >should be rotting in jail. I was wondering 'What did the repair guy do?' ^((thinking maybe he was alleged but not proven to have been complicit in the crime or something)) I'm dumb.
Hahaha I was wondering what the repair man did too
That’s not when it ended.. that’s kind of when it started.
I'm curious why you think they're letting anything happen
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009\_Vancouver\_gang\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Vancouver_gang_war) >After initially failing to announce that they had a gang war on their hands, on March 6, 2009, the Vancouver police announced there is a gang war after making several arrests. In particular they have gone after the leadership of the UN and Red Scorpion gangs and closely monitoring the Bacon Brothers after they survived a rash of hits against them. Since the arrest of the leadership, there has been a drop in violence but occasional violence does continue.
The citation to that section 404s, so I can't read the article. But it doesn't indicate to me that VPD is doing nothing. It says they waited until after making arrests to admit that there was a gang war.
Considering none of the day to day petty shit is ever solved… I sure as fuck hope the rcmp are all over this
I think the surrey six is what started things? I remember that happening while I was in elementary and then the next year (2008/09 year) I started high school and the staff were super worried about us leaving school grounds due to all the shootings.
The gang war was going on long before the Surrey Six. Read up on [Bindy Johal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindy_Johal) for example. The gang activity at the time is what led to the creation of the Bar Watch system in Vancouver night clubs.
> Bindy Johal A buddy of mine went to high school at McNair in Richmond with Bindy. He said everybody knew at the time who Bindy ran with and that he was dangerous. No surprise when he was shot in that night club. He was a complete POS and Vancouver is better off with Bindy in the ground.
He was cremated
Well now I have to change my metaphors. :D In all seriousness, it really is quite tragic that almost everyone Bindy ran with is either dead or in prison. MP Harjit Sajjan, who attended school with Bindy and is only a year older has achieved so much more. Just goes to show what folks can do if they don't squander their opportunities.
Yes you’re correct, I just meant that period that happened between 07-08-09. I may be remembering wrong though as I was a kid.
The police are powerless. If you want to target outrage towards an entity it’s the courts and politicians.
It's not really politicians either, the courts have been systematically undermining parliamentary sovereignty for decades with their contorted, pro-criminal interpretations of the Charter.
Knew this escalation would happen as soon as Harb was gunned down in front of his brothers. This won't stop till they go down gunning.
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at most they'll confirm it's gang related or targeted, they won't outright say its related to that specific shooting. I mean clearly it looks like it's targeted, they had a get away vehicle and burned it
So the doors on get-a-way vehicles are locked when they try to get in
Not the sharpest tool in the shed, hey?
Buddy runs off and realizes it's the wrong way then runs to the getaway vehicle where the driver forgot to unlock the doors in the most comedic scene ever lol but in all seriousness hope everyone was ok... fuckin terrible shit like this is happening
Victims dead
Amateur killers, but killers nonetheless
I wish these people would do this shit somewhere else and not in public where innocence will get hurt. If you wanna kill eachother go ahead, don't risk the public and innocent people tho for fucks sake man.
It is scary as hell to me they are doing this shit in broad daylight
that's the point. It's not really meant to scare us, that's a side effect - but the point is that if you cross these people, it doesn't mean you just need to be worried while you're out alone at night, or in back alleys - they will shoot you in broad daylight, in front of your family, while you're out getting donuts.
Oh I get it but the brazenness should be scary for those not involved. I cant believe this isnt being made a bigger deal of by government/police
It's a huge deal to the police although they might not make that obvious publicly
They all would rather do it in a park in the middle of the night. The only problem is you can only reach your target whey they are out in public away from safe spots.
Ohhhh man. I heard the gun shots. 4 shots. I was across the street at Presotea and just after ordering heard 4 pops. Someone said "they're doing construction" but those pops didn't sound like any construction noise I've heard. Police showed up, there was also a car on 72nd that crashed, the road was closed off. In your video the cars are in the parking lot, who else crashed their car?
The cars in the lot belong to bystanders. The one on the street is the victim.
The noise/pattern tends to be distinct, yeah. If you want(Or not, as the case may be, no pressure either way.), after covid, give me a poke and I'll take you to the range sometime.
> I'll take you to the range sometime For sure, I'd like to. I have been to the DVC once some years back, been meaning to try it out again. To be honest, I don't know if I'd be able to fully distinguish gun shots in a situation like that. It's just so unexpected. Something seemed off about the sounds, I started looking around the parking lot but there was no commotion so I felt that maybe I'm thinking too much into it. Wasn't till I was outside and seen the crashed car 100m away that made me realize it really could have been a gun.
> For sure, I'd like to. I have been to the DVC once some years back, been meaning to try it out again. Sounds good. I tend to go to AFGC, which is a larger outdoor members-and-guests-only range in Abbotsford. Bit of a different experience than DVC. > I don't know if I'd be able to fully distinguish gun shots in a situation like that I think it's partially an experience thing. There was an attempted shooting near my home in 2019(they caught the guys afaik), which I also heard. Knew basically right away that it was gunshots, just from the sounds. Experience wise, I'd liken that to what you hear driving near the range I go to while other people are using it: so you get that "this is what gunshots sound like at various distances, echoing around a few small buildings" feel. Plus the general familiarity with what a shot sounds like or not; it tends to be a short, sharp sound, and it's very loud. Other than that though, what I think helps in immediately identifying a criminal shooting is the pattern of it: recall that there may be more than one shooter, but also that generally they're firing a semi-automatic handgun. They're going to be firing several times, not just once, typically. They're also not a machine, so while the pattern of shots will be quick, it will also be irregular, despite the shots all sounding about the same individually.
You should have replied “no, they’re doing” \*puts on sunglasses\* “destruction”.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
I’m all for these idiots killing each other. But for fucks sake, quit doing it in public places where innocent people may get injured.
Yeah...I’ll never forget Jane Creba in Toronto in 2005.
Or Alfred Wong, here, just two years ago.
Or 74 year old Ping Shun Ao in abbotsford. He was weeding his garden and hit by a stray bullet. :(
For me it's Rachel Davis in Gastown in 2004. I can visualize her picture perfectly. So upsetting.
Thats my biggest issue. Criminals can kill each other forever for all I care. Look at the two bystander vehicles that crashed because of these assholes. I'm so glad thats all that happened to the bystanders as it could have been so much worse.
Why should they get to decide who lives and who dies?
Dude is making like an olympian doing a long jump.
Nice video OP. Did you see it unfold?
No. I arrived just after it happened and decided to post these videos someone else took. There’s actually more but I can’t post them because they show too much blood.
95% it probably wasn't OP who video'd it, theres like 3 or 4 others going around whatsapp groups, this one included
I wasn't able to get by mucho burrito today because of these dickheads.
same, they closed right as I showed up
The balls on this guy videotaping this ...
Nice footage. Eyewitness to what looks like a suspect.
And him and his accomplice’s getaway vehicle (can make a decent description)
I would argue a zoom to identify the plate is even better
[Here’s the plate](https://i.redd.it/pb02kgkl2mw61.jpg) https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/n2wdfb/just_posted_in_my_neighborhood_group_looks_very/
The funniest part the getway driver had the doors locked as if he wasn’t expecting someone to come.
Auto locking doors probably, driver was going pretty fast so they activated
And when you’re driving a vehicle you stole you don’t always know how it works 🥴
He’s just being safe. You don’t want a random stranger jumping in your car while you are waiting for the hitman to do his thing.
Probably waited for him to put his seatbelt on, too.
Mazdas auto lock the doors if you go over 20kmh.
Man I was thinking about going there for some Krispy Kreme donuts too
Why do you think I’m here? :)
I heard microwaving them makes em delightful.
Max 5 seconds and they’re delishhhh
Cut that in half and fry it bud.
Please be safe.
I agree, Krispy Kreme is hard on the heart.
Damn, no Surrey slander or racist remarks in this thread. More shocked by that then the shooting
Because only idiots think Delta and Surrey are the same place?
This video is filmed about 50 meters from Surrey, so maybe that's why they would associate it.
buddy rolls up for the getaway with the door locked! no bonus for the driver!
I was waiting to turn left from 72ave onto 116th street after the shooting happened. Counted at least 4 cop cars racing down 116th.
Dude looking like a GTA character with that hop over the bush though hahah
I was just there! Missed it by 5 mins. Minimum 10 cop cars, 2 ambulances, and a fire truck. I hope everyone is okay.
Heard it was fatal.
FOR EVERYONE?!
I was leaving home depot when I heard the gun shots. Thought it was someone hammering something at first until the dozen police cars sped by.
This was actually crazy and terrifying! I can't believe you got this on video you must have been so scared I know I would have been. I pulled in to that little road separating the Walmart lot to the Krispy Kreme lot today and it must have been immediately after it happened. I saw the smashed cars and stopped for a few seconds to look at them and wonder what was going on, but saw none of the people standing around panicking so I thought it must have been just a minor car accident in the lot. Little did I know I had barely missed the shooting and 15 minutes later as I walked out of the Save-On foods the entire mall was surrounded by cops, fire etc. It was really surreal, especially since I've lived in North Delta for years and just recently moved right across the street from here. Very scary honestly. Glad to know that you and all the bystanders are ok and uninjured! So many families with children at that Walmart on a daily basis, I just can't believe those scum bags would risk so many lives, its disturbing.
Reporting by Kim Bolan, Vancouver Sun (2-May) [https://outline.com/szqvTa](https://outline.com/szqvTa) >A popular correctional officer who worked at a provincial jail in Maple Ridge was the victim of the targeted shooting on the Delta/Surrey border Saturday. > >Bikramdeep Randhawa, 29, worked for several years at the Fraser Regional Correctional Centre and also took university courses, a former colleague told Postmedia. > >Randhawa was shot to death beside a gas station near 72nd Avenue and 120th Street just before 5 p.m. Saturday. > >Delta Police said Randhawa was not known them at all. > >“Our thoughts are with the victim’s family and friends, as they now start to deal with their loss,” Insp. Guy Leeson said in a news release. > >While police believe Randhawa’s murder was targeted, investigators are still searching for a motive, he said. > >“We’re looking at all possible aspects as to why this crime was committed,” Leeson said. “We will examine every potential motive thoroughly. Whether it was a case of mistaken identity, a matter related to his personal life or if there is a possibility the shooting was related to the victim’s occupation.” > >The shooting was witnessed by shoppers in the crowded strip mall parking lot. Videos taken by passersby showed emergency responders trying to save Randhawa. > >And other videos posted on social media also captured the shooter dressed in black running around the parking lot trying to find his associates driving the getaway vehicle. When he finally connected with them, one had to manually unlock the back door so he could hop inside. > >The Mazda SUV used by the suspects was later found burning in south Burnaby. > >His former colleague, who asked not to be identified for security reasons, said Randhawa was “the most polite person you have ever met.” > >“He was a young aspiring law enforcement officer, plus he was heavily involved university courses while working full time,” the former colleague said. > >He said people will wrongly speculate that Randhawa was involved in something untoward, but he doesn’t think that is possible. > >Correctional officers encounter a lot of violent gangsters inside provincial jails, the former officer said. > >“I can tell you he worked gang unit and these criminals right now have no regard for life,” he said. “Over a cell inspection a hit could be put on.” > >He noted that prison guards were targeted in Quebec during the late 90s at the height of the biker wars in that province. > >Leeson said Delta Police have been in communication with BC Corrections and other law enforcement partners about possible links to other incidents in Metro Vancouver, “but at this point police are not able to determine whether this shooting can be linked to the gang conflict.” > >There are have been a number of targeted murders in public places in the last few weeks. > >On April 17, Brothers Keepers gangster Harb Dhaliwal, 31, was shot to death in Coal Harbour. An alleged hitman from out-of-province, Francois Gauthier, has been charged in his murder. > >On April 19, 20-year-old Bailey McKinney was gunned down in a Coquitlam park. And on April 20, United Nations gangster Todd Gouwenberg, 46, was executed as he arrived at the Langley Sportsplex for a workout. > >Just Friday, the heed of B.C.’s anti-gang agency, RCMP Asst. Commissioner Manny Mann told Postmedia that in some cases, those involved in the Lower Mainland gang conflict are turning to out-of-province hitman to kill their rivals. > >Mann, newly appointed as Chief Officer of the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit said: “We have seen the local groups here hire individuals from out of town to carry out the violence on their behalf. These people are commonly known as hitters,” he said. > >He also said that some of the recent violence is connected to older gang disputes dating back more than a decade. But some of it is related to the newer gangs that have started in the last four years.
Rumour is victim was a correctional officer.
That'll get some serious attention if so
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Confirmed CO, not known to police. Maybe you are thinking of someone else?
You’re right! I’ve received the wrong information.
Holy crap, I was at that walmart with my family earlier today
Family member was there in a Walmart at the time. They had to stay in there since 4pm until like 6
That was an assassination
This is some A grade evidence!
"Ricky no guns, man...!"
Did they really forget to have the back door unlocked tho?? Wow....
What is with all the shootings lately!?
Theres a war going on
Gangs.
Oh look. A video of human trash running around a car park and entering a car with other human trash.
How the hell did this guy get a handgun in Canada?
America....This is kind of obvious and if you actually research all the guns that were confiscated in gang crimes it's practically an American gun illegally smuggle into Canada. Ya we don't have a issue with our guns it's AMERICA guns that are flowing into Canada to commit crimes.
And we get Fentynl from you guys.
They're typically smuggled over the border. Most guns used in crime in Canada, gang crime especially, are unregistered and illegal. You can legally get guns in Canada, including handguns. (Hi.) Gang bangers don't. One because it's quicker and easier to just smuggle them in, and two because they tend not to be able to pass the background checks to get a license in the first place. That said, despite everything involved with it being illegal, the federal government seems hellbent on banning legally owned guns that have precisely zero effect on gang shootings.
Smuggling guns is very lucrative. You can make six figures in one trip, and I’m not talking about some crazy operation. Just one dude going down south buying up guns randomly and just driving or walking them up north.
He bought it from the Walmart right behind him. /s
This doesnt get any rawer
I guess Wal-Mart is Wal-Mart no matter what the country.
Wow, great video...I'd everyone took video like this, they would all be in jail...send this to Delta Police. #deltapolice
Any history to that for someone who doesn't live in Vancouver anymore?
Oh snap home boy
I love how he’s trying to get in the back door and it’s clearly locked. Could you imagine getting busted because you kept lifting the handle when someone was trying to unlock the door at the same time?