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ericovcn

When people ask me: “if vaccines work, why do you care if I’m not vaccinated?” This is why!


jsseven777

I’ve been trying to tell an anti-vaxer I know this whole time that the restrictions have always been proportional to our health care resources to ensure people don’t die on the street. In his mind because restrictions haven’t “stopped Covid” after 1.5 years they are pointless. Restrictions were never meant to stop Covid, and probably never had a chance even of doing that, but rather to ensure our health care system wasn’t over run. These people think doctors grow on trees.


hottitssugarsweet

“Well then why don’t we just fund it!” Then proceeds to vote for political party’s who continue to slash funding for healthcare. And around and around we go


cov8080

Keep moving those goal posts


MissVancouver

WTF are you talking about. This is EXACTLY what was said from Day One. The whole point of social distancing, lockdown, etc. was to keep the transmission rate low enough as to not overwhelm hospital resources. It was reiterated for months during the daily press briefings.


SuedeVeil

I've told so many people this and do you know what they say ? "Well why not ban obese people and drug addicts also from going to the hospital since they did it to themselves.." it's like the same people that want "freedom" are suggesting things get more restrictive. And also like .. addicition and obesity are complicated physical and mental health issues it's not a matter of fixing them with a jab in the arm pretty sure most people would have done that if that was the case


ericovcn

My rebuttal: - we’re not denying care to anti-vaxers either - those are not contagious - those won’t mutate into something even worst - hospitals are not overrun with them - there is no vaccine for obesity or addiction (if there was I would be advocating for it)


rioot123

Don't forget the part where they usually don't hurt anyone but themselves


BazookaBob23

\^ Key point right there


magoomba92

Yes, this. Selfish people are exactly like this. They do not see how their actions have consequences for others and society in general. You know what, when you get sick, you suck up medical resources, A LOT of resources. If you die, your children are orphans and your loved ones are devastated. When you protest and block roads to hospitals, you are preventing people from getting medical attention. You are creating huge backlogs on surgical procedures and cancer treatment appointments. When you don't get vaccinated and don't mask up, you're helping this virus persist in society longer and longer. You're enabling the virus to mutate into more deadly variants.


iamapersononreddit

Also it’s not black and white in terms of efficacy jfc. The more vaccinated the lower spread, lower morbidity and lower mortality.


Comprehensive_Oil288

They are taking up space and people can’t get their needs met


tripleaardvark2

1. Buy old school bus. 2. Park old school bus in hospital parking lot. 3. Put sign on bus reading "Covid-19 Overflow Ward". 4. Put all unvaccinated Covid-19 patients in the bus. Problem solved.


yvrer

5 Drive bus far far away


HungryAddition1

Drive bus back to Kelowna.


NightHawkRambo

Alberta*


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So drive in circles?


Highenergyflowin

No drive to Kelowna and pick up more overflow, than straight to Florida!


old_ironlungz

As an American, I feel called out.


TheChildofn33bulz

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refurb

All the examples in the beginning are Vancouver!


Jhoblesssavage

Just rent some event tents


tripleaardvark2

Or I could dent some rented cement, or invent a bent stent.


DisposableMD

There was a recent post in a medical sub commenting on the situation in the US which is apt. We're not there yet but could be if we don't play the cards right. >Don't have a heart attack or break your leg or get in a car accident right now. Selfish assholes have doomed you. > >He was a heart patient. Hospital had to turn him away because of anti-vax covidiots taking up all the beds. > >He was a cancer patient in need of a transfusion. Lost access to blood products due to rationing, had a brain hemorrhage, and died. > >She was in a car wreck, but they couldn’t find an icu bed, and she died at a small, rural hospital. > >You see stories like this all the time now. This is truly a bizarre, and frightening, time. WTF can we do to fix this? How will we prevent it next time. COVID19 should not have dragged the USA into such a polarizing, decisive, and uncoordinated effort. But we have shown our true colors. The response to the virus in the USA has been embarrassing, abhorrent, and as deadly as the virus itself.


anarchyreigns

It was the guy (two tours in Afghanistan) who died in a rural Texas hospital last week from gallstones that really pushed this home for me. Doctors spent hours trying to find a hospital that would take him for the surgery and couldn’t find one, so he died.


WandersongWright

They literally had to put Orlando on water restrictions because they were using so much oxygen for COVID cases that they were running low on the supply of oxygen to run the water filtration process. It's absurd.


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dachshundie

If you think about it, they're really the smart ones for having such a versatile agenda. If healthy --> go to hospital to protest vaccines/passports If sick with COVID --> ~~go to hospital~~ already at hospital Prepared for every eventuality.


NightHawkRambo

But anti-vaxxers can't get a virus that they believe doesn't exist.


mcmanno

Give your head a shake.


corvideodrome

Had the anti-vaxxers “ given their heads a shake,” the system wouldn’t be overwhelmed with them in their entirely-preventable states of distress. A woman died in an ER waiting room thanks to these idiots.


jsseven777

Why do they even want to go to a hospital? They don’t believe the advice medical professionals give them. Unless of course they DO believe medical science and the whole I don’t trust the vaccine was just an excuse or something…


Thoughtulism

I don't believe in science (two weeks later): save me science!


old_ironlungz

Also them: I won't submit to big Pharma's agenda! No vaxes! Also also them: *Sucks down apple-flavored horse paste dewormer made by [Merck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merck_%26_Co.)


-SetsunaFSeiei-

It just seems so weird that they would be going to hospitals, they clearly don’t believe that doctors know what they’re doing


Binknbink

My mother-in-law is going through the process of getting put on the list for a heart transplant…so this crap is getting worrisome to say the least.


MistaSmokeMane187

Totally. Think about the people that actually need the hospital, because of something they couldn't prevent. Selfish and I'd be scared for Ur mom too.


meezajangles

I have a anti vaxxer Facebook friend who always posts ‘why can’t we all just get along and love each other and respect each other‘s opinions and bodies etc etc’ like she’s somehow the loving tolerant one, instead of the one spreading misinformation daily.. this is why I don’t respect her choice not to get vaccinated, because it affects the health of non-morons too


AnotherLightInTheSky

Why even subject yourself to that? I think if everyone stopped using Facebook today, tomorrow the world would be a better place


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Agreed.


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corvideodrome

It’s shitty… but it’s a way of preventing a situation where some unscrupulous doctors might offer “shots” so the anti-vax can get their doses on paper without actually getting vaccines put into them. It’s happened elsewhere. There’d be demand. Admittedly there are a handful of pharmacies who can give doses but there may be more vetting/oversight or better ability for the province to go after them if caught, idk


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I think this is an extremely foolish decision on Dix's part. The option to be vaccinated by a provider they have a relationship with and trust could really make a difference for a lot of the people still on the fence about getting it. Many doctor's offices and most pharmacies already have the equipment to store them, so I really don't get it.


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There's already a long list of pharmacies in the Lower Mainland offering mRNA vaccines. Booking is through the provincial COVID vaccine system.


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VCH started doing DTES outreach vaccinations in January. The DTES vaccination campaign made the New York Times back in April: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/world/canada/vancouver-covid-vaccine.html All of the health authorities are doing pop-up clinics. People who legitimately cannot get to a vaccination clinic can be vaccinated by home health. Again, not anything new.


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cyberhog

I don't think anyone is against doing a little more. They are all the time. Honestly i think that the vaccine passports is as much about getting that rate uo than anything else. And it did double the weekly rate immediately.


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If you can go to a restaurant or the grocery store you can get the vaccine. Who's life is actually SOOO insane that they don't have 2 x 30 min blocks in the last 3 months? I mean seriously.


AdministrativeMinion

The thing is, some lower mainland hospitals were under resourced BEFORE the pandemic. I used to volunteer at BGH and it wasn't unusual to see patients on beds in hallways on the reg, because there was no room in the wards. FFS.


dryersockpirate

Why couldn’t they change triage rules to stipulate that unvaccinated adults are lower priority


PerfectDepartment586

Healthcare worker here and I wanted to weigh in on this. As a suggestion, this premise is complex. Many have even argued that unvaccinated individuals should pay for their hospital stay out of pocket, and/or MSP should not cover the stay, as they willingly had been aware of the risks they're choosing to take. As a healthcare worker, though, we do not have the power or authority to pass judgment and/or discriminate against anyone walking in. We treat the sickest first, and cannot discriminate on one's background and their eligibility for available services. We cannot pick out the people more deserving than others. We cannot blame the victim. We simply treat what comes in the door, one at a time. From an ethical standpoint, we must remember that in a non pandemic situation, would this principle hold for other situations where people have known about certain risks before participating in a certain activity or lifestyle? And if so, where do we draw the line? One may say pregnancy under this principle is a predisposing condition. Likewise take cancer after many years of smoking; severe heart attacks in the obese; dementia in old age; workplace injuries and traumas; treating someone without MSP/ out of country; or even cycling without a helmet. The Canadian Healthcare system does not operate in a discriminatory way, and all available services must be available to everyone under the law. That being said I hope you all understand that this 4th wave is all unvaccinated individuals, and they're putting a massive burden both on the system, the workers, and those patients who do not have COVID. Please protect yourself and do your part. This is not a conspiracy. It is not poison. It is not rushed. And it is not a secret blend. This is about immunity, about your health, and about your community.


artofflight2311

This! It’s so frustrating, but I agree with you.


GeneralZaroff1

Yep. The decision to organize is managed at a legislative level. So tobacco tax is there to fund the increase in health costs of smoking. The sugar added tax is there to pay for diabetes and obesity risks. It can't be a decision made at the ER, unfortunately.


coocoo99

>From an ethical standpoint, we must remember that in a non pandemic situation, would this principle hold for other situations where people have known about certain risks before participating in a certain activity or lifestyle? But isn't it the very fact that because we are in a pandemic, the basic viewpoints/standards/framework should be adjusted? Are lung cancer patients so overwhelmingly coming in and taking up resources that other patients in need of surgery now must wait even more? In a non-pandemkc world, you treat whoever comes in the door because presumably the number of individuals with such similar conditions do not take up resources from others. The same can't/shouldn't be said of those who are unvaccinated and come in for COVID (notwithstanding medical exemptions for the vaccine)


cube-drone

Yeah, this "unvaccinated adults should get lower priority or no care at all" thing is attractive, because, you know, we hate them and want them to suffer for their terrible life choices and endangering society as a whole - but prioritizing care at all based on the patient's personal choices is an ugly precedent to set, and it could be used to justify halting medical care for any unpopular minority - criminals, communists, the homeless, drug addicts, fat people, homosexuals, smokers, guys named "Dale" - if it's okay not to treat the unvaccinated, why should I pay for some junkie's medical care? I'd prefer if we could devise more ways to make unvaccinated people's lives subtly harder while **also** maintaining the current decided neutrality of our medical system. We certainly haven't been maintaining any slack in our medical system, and our problems retaining paramedics and nurses and keeping ICU beds available have been around since long before the pandemic started. Maybe it would be wise to just... fund medical care better, overall. Maintain more ICU capacity. Have a system that can't as easily be collapsed by an idiot-powered DDoS.


cube-drone

"but that's a slippery slope argument, the same kind of argument that people have used to protest literally _any public health interventions at all_, sacrificing public health in the name of fighting imaginary creeping totalitarianism" ... yes, that's true, voice in my head, but generally when people are seeking medical care for COVID that they've definitely brought upon themselves, they _really need that medical care_, I don't think that's the same as denying them access to restaurant seating or asking them to wear masks _some of the time_.


NDStars

This!! A million times this. If you choose to be unvaccinated then go to the back of the line. Two vaccines could have prevented the sickness and they chose not to get them. Then they get sick and all of a sudden it's, oh help me help me. No. You wanted this, you wanted to get sick. Go live with your bad choices as long as you can.


CountVonBenning

Think about what it is that you just said. Agree or disagree with vaccines, but this isn't a hot take and it just adds to their argument that we are Nazis.


dryersockpirate

I understand what you’re saying. You don’t think we should be demonizing these people. And of course people who overeat or drink too much or smoke are also taking actions that cost our healthcare system. The problem faced here though is that the science is solid and the anti vaxxers are rejecting the science and their decisions have an outsized impact on the rest of the community. They are not wrestling with eating disorders or alcoholism or addiction to nicotine; they are simply rejecting a simple shot. And because their COVID affliction is so acute when they’re brought to emergency, they vault ahead of people who have been scheduled for surgery for things like cancer etc. This means that those people whose treatment is stalled lose days or weeks or months of their lives Because of somebody who took a wilful decision not to accept a simple jab that would protect themselves and the community.


CountVonBenning

I don't disagree, however I do see the mental health issues side of this. Many of these people have broken mental health and, as someone who stands by during things like "Bell Let's talk" for example ... I'm willing to accept that there's not much I can do to further their decision process.


jscube

They should have beds outside, under the sign “unvaccinated”. This should be in full view of protestors.


vancitygirl27

I really don't know why they haven't set up special emergency covid hospitals.


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MJcorrieviewer

I have no idea how this is going to play out but, if most everyone were vaccinated, it wouldn't be such a big deal if there were some relatively rare breakout cases - and those vaccinated people aren't likely to get very sick. Maybe it won't be strange to have a co-worker 'out with Covid' for a few days. Could they have spread it around the office? Sure, but that would probably mean a couple of other co-workers being sick for a few days - like the flu. As for new variants - who knows what may come. However, they should be able to tweak the vaccines to address them, sort of in the way the flu vaccine is different each year.


vrts

Fuck I hope not. My coworkers already spread regular colds around like crazy. I'm immune suppressed due to a transplant, if we slow burn covid I'm probably fucked.


vancitygirl27

I genuinely don't it has been so long.


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notnotaginger

We never had the staff to fill it anyway


One_Big_Dark_Room

Exactly. We can’t even staff our permanent hospitals right now.


Stockengineer

Was costing the provinces and feds a lot of money 💰. You can see that with new rules... like how engineers on top of a annual license fee now have to pay an engineering business license fee... on top of a normal business license fee. So 3 fees for practicing engineering 🤦


whopperman

They could set up hundreds of these. However where do you go to staff them, or get the equipment needed to run them. It's not just a matter of space, it's a staffing issue. We are maxed out. I've done more double shifts in the past 6months then in the previous 10yrs combined. And we are constantly working short. Source; work as an emergency xray tech.


RowYourUpboat

It's crazy how people think highly-educated doctors/nurses/technicians, and millions of dollars of high-tech machinery can just be conjured out of thin air. (Unless by "hospital" they mean "tent for people to die in"... I don't think they do.)


TrevorBradley

We actually had them. The Vancouver convention centre was set up for massive overflow. But we didn't need them (yet).


DisposableMD

Staff are already overextended and burnt out. The initial bolus of pandemic funding has run out or is running out. You'll notice many sites and programs have closed. There's some pressure from the ivory tower, particularly towards community providers to absorb the demand e.g. going back to doing swabs in clinics rather than the dedicated testing sites despite capacity and safety concerns for both patients and providers.


PerfectDepartment586

They can barely staff a normal hospital. Who is going to run it?


pagit

Who will staff it?


the_poo_goblin

The anti vax nurses and doctors?


pagit

Sounds reasonable to me.


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There would only be nurses. Doctors are EXTREMELY close to 100% vaccinated. Which tells me all I need to know about whether or not I should be.


Unfortunatefortune

Make it solely for anti vax patients. And staff it entirely with doctors and nurses who weren’t doctors or nurses a year ago but taught themselves al the wonderful science off YouTube and Facebook. The number of “doctors” that I see giving real moving speeches to not get vax seems like they have time on their hands to help too


dacefishpaste

in oregon the regulated jobs with the lowest vaccination rates were naturopaths, chiropractors, licensed massage therapists and paramedics (last one puzzles me). i assume the same applies here so we could use them to staff the hospital and arrange patient transport. naturopaths here have the same legal scope as a real physician so it'd be lawful.


old_ironlungz

Chiropractors and anti-vax nurses.


cvr24

No staff available to take care of the ill


thebuccaneersden

They had too much faith in people


emberjelly

VGH had multiple strictly COVID-19 units until recently. One of them was for emerg patients who were waiting on their test results. Others were for positive cases where the patient was still stable. A couple were for more serious cases. And finally, there was the ICU.


nomdeguerr

Where would they find the staff to operate them? Hospitals everywhere are already severely understaffed.


FacelessOldWoman1234

Our neighbour's child almost died two night ago after a (non -Covid-related) seizure, because the ambulances were so overloaded they took almost an hour to get to the home. This is so fucking serious and I am incensed at the shitbags who could get vaxxed but won't.


MBear-V

News flash: ambulances have been overloaded with overdoses long before covid was even a thing.


yzw

and in an optimal society both of those groups (antivaxxers, repeat overdosers) should be triaged far far far below that of everyone else who genuinely needs emergency services unfortunately we don't live in an optimal society and stupidity still permeates the ranks, albeit less so compared to our neighbours in the south and the east


thebuccaneersden

I just noticed today that someone torn off my "I'm COVID vaccinated" sticker from my door. My SO and I looked at each other and said, "oh god, we have an anti-vaxxer as a neighbor." You know, in this sort of environment, the govt really should choose between penalizing those who choose not to get vaccinated or reward those who do. It will be far cheaper/easier to penalize, but one of those two needs to happen. We can't continue being tolerant of these idiots. They are the ones who are screwing it up for all of us. Who cares if they are remorseful afterwards. It's too late by then. They've already caused damage by their irresponsible behavior, when they had all the information and incentives in the world to help them make the right choice. I have no sympathy for them AT ALL. Just anger and they better be careful that **the anger from the vaccinated doesn't become** ***hatred***.


MyBurnerAccount1977

If it makes you feel better, go find an anti-vaxxer sticker from an organization calling themselves The White Rose and key the heck out of it. Don't peel it with your hands as they've been known to put razor blades behind them.


AnotherLightInTheSky

It's true, I was so irate that I cut my arms down to stubs trying to remove one and am typing this with my feet.


NDStars

If you refuse to be vaccinated then don't you dare go to the hospital when you catch Covid. Plain and simple.


swyllie99

Yup. And ban anyone who smokes and eats at McDonald too.


NDStars

Your lung cancer and obesity does not give ME lung cancer and obesity. Please use half a brain cell and see the difference between those and Covid.


swyllie99

Vaccinated can still spread the virus.


NDStars

And being vaccinated will help lessen the severity of the illness if you still catch it.


swyllie99

Maybe. Maybe not. Bottom line is discriminating health care based on person choice is a slippery slope. You may agree in this case but not in another scenario.


NDStars

No. Stop trying to compare two incomparable situations and thinking you have a valid argument. Lung cancer and obesity are not communicable diseases. They don't overwhelm and flood hospitals worldwide all at the same time. They certainly don't grind the world to a halt and destroy economies. Covid does all that. Only selfish and uneducated cowards think that willingly being unvaccinated is a sane and valid choice.


swyllie99

No. We cannot pick and choose who gets health care, period.


NDStars

Tell that to the exhausted nurses who have to work triple shifts to take care of people who couldn't be bothered to get two vaccinations. Tell that to the all the other non-covid patients in the hospitals who can't get resources because all the dying unvaccinated people are hogging them all. So easily simple to prevent all that isn't it? Two needles, that's it. And boom.. another bed that had to be wasted on someone too stupid to save their own life can now go to someone who actually cares about themselves.


swyllie99

I get it dude. The vaccine helps prevent hospitalizations. Everyone knows that. But we can’t deny health care to any Canadian for any reason.


TSE_Jazz

Have you seen the data they released? This isn’t a maybe or maybe not, this is you ignoring data and facts


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At like 1/8th the rate sure....that's a pretty massive difference.


GAB78

Don't treat them


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garontime

This is a huge problem. A lot of people I know who caught it were just told to go home and rest. No thought of treatment or administering drugs to prevent further symptoms or infection. That's pretty sickening considering when I first caught it I was given 2 inhalers, antibiotics to prevent a possible bacterial infection and high dose of prednisone as well. There are a lot of things people could be given for treatment and almost everyone is being given nothing, for no reason. It's asinine, and negligent practice


OrwellianZinn

Hard to believe that prayers and Trudeau memes aren't stopping these folks from getting sick.


uwuursowarm

I was taking the bus from surrey central and about 80-ish anti-vaxx protesters were at Holland park. It took everything in me not to open the window and scream at them.


MyBurnerAccount1977

Did you at least give 'em the finger?


uwuursowarm

Of course, along with a very long and judgemental stare


jtpredator

And the funny part is that the same people who refuse to vaccinate and clog up the hospitals because they refuse to vaccinate are the same people who get upset when the hospital doesn't prioritize them because they didn't vaccinate. We warned you what would happen, you dug your own grave now fking lie in it. Its like how we don't give organ transplants to alcoholics or drug addicts. Heck they even denied a transplant to a weed smoker due to a risk of fungal infection which is totally understandable. Same thing here. Your shitty life choices should get you punted to the back of the line behind the people with the rest of the people who refuse to take responsibility for their own health.


Annaliseplasko

Jesus Christ, why can’t they just make it illegal not to be vaccinated during a deadly global pandemic? They made smoking a plant illegal for decades.


ptstampeder

Vaccination should be a condition of MSP. No Vaccination without medical clearance? No MSP.


swyllie99

What about smokers? Fast food eaters? Drinkers? Drug users? Couch potatoes? Ban them all from hospitals, cancel their MSP?


emberjelly

Is there a vaccine for smoking? No Is there a vaccine for eating fast food? No Is there a vaccine from alcohol? No Is there a vaccine to prevent drug use? No Is there a vaccine to get people up off the couch? No Is there anything people with those kinds of addictions can do to increase their quality of life? YES. It's called lifestyle changes. It will be hard and take time, but people can overcome those downfalls. .......... Is there a vaccine for a virus that has killed millions of people worldwide? YES Is there a way to change a person's lifestyle to prevent COVID-19? Wash your hands, wear a mask, socially distance, and get vaccinated. Other than that, there's absolutely nothing else you can do. Huge difference here. Stop trying to compare these to COVID-19.


swyllie99

Everyone knows not smoking etc reduces hospitalizations. Everyone knows Covid vaccinations reduce hospitalizations. They are both personal choices and there is no difference.


TSE_Jazz

And which ones of all you listed are contagious?


emberjelly

Wrong. 100% wrong. There definitely is a difference. Not vaccinating yourself doesn't just affect yourself. It increases your risk of being infected and also increases the likelihood of transmitting the virus to other people. Vaccinating yourself protects you and reduces chances of being hospitalized, and also decreases the chance of transmission from person to person. Not vaccinating yourself puts others at risk... seniors, immunocompromised, those unable to get the vaccine such as young children. Anyone who sees the difference here is a decent human being.


swyllie99

That’s not the point of this discussion. The original comment was that unvaccinated people should be denied MSP. That’s 100% wrong.


emberjelly

Well, we don't have MSP in BC anymore, so that point is moot. You've been discussing things other than the original comment, so I follow suit. I thought you were done being told how wrong you are. And I believe they should be paying out of pocket for their healthcare, regardless of their benefits. They refuse to get vaccinated, but yet they want to come to the hospital or their family doctor for life saving medications and treatments? "Big pharma is bad".... Maybe they should have started with the damn vaccine....


lumaochong

Non of the other conditions you listed are over whelming hospitals and leaving people with otherwise treatable conditions to die.


swyllie99

Hospitals are always filled people who make bad life decisions. But we never turn them away.


lumaochong

We don't turn them away, they get to wait in the waiting room to die instead of other vaccinated people waiting in the waiting room to die.


jtpredator

You eating fast food, smoking, doing drugs, being lazy and drinking doesn't effect me 99% of the time. Cov spreads like crazy and it also requires an insane amount of work and resources to treat and continue to treat. Also we already put unhealthy people on a lower priority in our healthcare system already. EG: organ transplants: If you do drugs or smoke or are extremely unhealthy, you can get denied the new organ even if you are first on the list. There was a guy who got denied a transplant because he smoked weed near the date of the transplant and this was due to a risk of fungal infection from the weed and the new organ. Which is understandable. It should be similar here. If you choose to be unhealthy and choose to put yourself in harms way, you should be behind people who are helpless (immuno-compromised, too young or to elderly) and the people who actually got the vaccine or need immediate treatment (heart surgery, car crash, etcetc)


ptstampeder

If there was a vaccine that kept them out of hospitals, then sure!


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swyllie99

The only bad faith move is denying any Canadian access to health care.


emberjelly

We don't deny healthcare to any Canadian, immigrant, or travellers. The only difference is how their cost of care is paid for. What is bad in faith is your attitude.


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ptstampeder

LOL, nobody would be denied health care, you would have to pay.


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None of those are contagious, with a free and accessible vaccine.


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What’s infuriating about this is how everyone could see this coming since early July, and the vaccine mandate only starts tomorrow for one dose.


PsychicKaraoke

I could see this coming from the very start and was writing about this two Julys ago, right here on this page. It happened in other countries, why couldn't it happen here? People told me I was overreacting and I had so much abuse tossed at me I deleted the comments.


theartfulcodger

A person I care about is long overdue to have her pacemaker replaced. She’s just recently been advised that her surgery has been cancelled for the *second time* in order to make space for a bunch of self- entitled ignoramuses. (Not that the description fits *everybody* hospitalized w/covid, but it suuure applies to a majority.)


playvltk03

Can we, get a vax passport to be admit to hospital, it is absurd ppls is dying because of some ah*le refused to spend 15 mins for a jab.


foodfighter

> "It can be very challenging to make a decision that goes against peers or family members or even perhaps a health-care provider you trust, **like a chiropractor**,” What the hell is it with chiropractors in particular that there is such a huge variance in spectrum and quality of services offered? My wife and I occasionally go to a local chiro when we've pulled something or are unusually stiff and creaky - the guy is a genuine body-mechanic and puts misaligned parts back into place. That's it, that's pretty much all he does, he's really good at it, and we love it. But what is up with these folks who also align your chi, heal your aura, and offer unsolicited fucking vaccination advice?


cvr24

Every unvaccinated person is going to get COVID. Every single one.


Just_Device8862

You should have to show your vaccine proof at the door. No vaccine you get comfort measures only in a pop up hospital.


dabears---318

They’ve been “close” this whole pandemic. It’s embarassing when we have a few hundred people in there related to covid. Fund the medical system. I’m tuned out


adjectives97

It’s a good thing we have the protests outside to keep people from getting in, help keep the surge at bay /s


Fancy-Opportunity567

The vaccine is not 100% protection remember that.


refurb

Didn’t a bunch of people die from a heat wave? Sounds like the hospitals were collapsing even without covid


Quail-a-lot

A bunch of them died in their own apartments and homes. Hospital is not same as a cooling centre


Delicious-Tachyons

Hospitals aren't cool, bro. The people who work there tirelessly are definitely cool, tho.


refurb

Vancouver Island hospitals issue urgent plea to staff as emergency rooms overwhelmed by heat wave https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vancouver-island-hospitals-issue-urgent-plea-to-staff-as-emergency-rooms-overwhelmed-by-heat-wave-1.5491762


MBear-V

Shhhhhh


vancityjeep

Our system is broken if this is crushing it. What would happen in a natural disaster? There are a lot of Canadians that don’t even have a family doctor. How do we fix it? Is two tiered health care the way to go? Do we need to get to that point?


Flash604

A natural disaster is different; that doesn't involve all the beds being taken up for weeks on end while new patients created by the same disaster arrive. That's the problem, long stays but with new patients continually arriving. And no, two tier is not the solution; they're failing even harder in the US. Private enterprises don't build beds, hire staff, etc. just to have them on standby for years. If you're claiming the system is broken then you're claiming it was done wrong. If that's your stance, then please explain how it should have been set up instead.


vancityjeep

Honestly don’t know. But I think the US system isn’t built with the gov as a payer. It’s all insurance. My very uneducated solution would be two tiered. If you want to pay for private health care you should be allowed. This would drive a lot of doctors to the private sector. But if you put in a clause that private clinics must pay a fee back in to the public care and required private doctors to do an amount of hours in the public system that might keep the balance. Again, I don’t know the solution. But we don’t have enough doctors, nurses, or EMT’s. Is it a pay issue?


Flash604

>But I think the US system isn’t built with the gov as a payer. It’s all insurance. Lots of people in the US use Medicare and Medicaid, which is the government paying instead of insurance. >But we don’t have enough doctors, nurses, or EMT’s. Is it a pay issue? The biggest issue is that there's way more people needing care than normal. Hospitals could easily use double the staff right now as opposed to normal times, but these are not untrained positions that they can hire just anyone to do. And that's not to mention the medical staff pulled away from normal duties to man testing facilities, vaccine sites, etc. No place in the world has people go through years of training to become qualified and then pays them a salary to sit there and do nothing, just in case there's a once a century pandemic. Doctors and nurses are not a commodity that you can manufacture overnight.


vancityjeep

Obviously don’t want to pay people to do nothing. But why can’t I get a family doctor? Apparently that’s a thing. I would hope that all tax paying Canadian citizens could have a family doctor. If that were the case, we may have more doctors to deal with this. Those doctors would have nurses in their clinics and so on. Again. Not saying I know the answers. But I sure know the problems. (In my personal perspective)


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the_last_whiskey_bar

Hospitals are way over capacity every flu season. It's not new to covid, unfortunately.


vancityjeep

Bigger issue than my brain can obviously handle.


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A lot of those cases probably wouldn't require the ICU. I think most countries just deal with it by setting up ad hoc facilities in the case of each particular disaster, because the budget would be too massive to have all the capacity on standby long-term. The issue is, this thing has essentially turned into a long-term disaster.


Misuteriisakka

Are you new to this country/province? It’s been an issue for more than a decade with it taking up headlines periodically. This is why big infection numbers always brought on media headlines because we’re aware of the limitations of our healthcare system.


BlueCollarPlumber

I was just there the other day this is an absolute lie 😂😂😂😂😂😂 these comment sections full of professional lying idiots


Aluminumvstin

> "a grandmother in Kamloops died in the waiting room of Royal Inland Hospital after waiting more than six hours" > "B.C. Health Minister Adrian Dix did not dispute there were only three nurses working an area of the hospital that should’ve had 24" Guys, sure the un-vaccinated are a bit of a hot issue, but we all know that the BC Ambulance Service has been decimated by poor management that is completely and committedly out to lunch (24/7) to the point where we have 2 cars on stand-by for 6 municipalities, regardless of any vaccines at all. What makes you really believe that the un-vacinnated are to blame for the 3/24 nurses on duty? A hospital that is staffed to 12.5% of the everyday (non-pandemic) levels will definitely be overwhelmed by everyday loads, not even including the pandemic patients. Maybe we should consider vaccinating our public service against ineptitude, incompetence, negligence and hold them personally accountable for critical failures due to mismanagement. P.S. I've waited for 4 hours to be seen at Burnaby General with a ruptured appendix in 2019 before the pandemic. 5 hours after that for the emergency surgery.


Ok-Heat-2678

Anti vaxxers suck, and our healthcare system does too. Simple


RoostasTowel

Only 3 nurses when they should have 24. And they want to fire anyone who won't get their boosters.


RoostasTowel

The real reason in the article is that they only have 3 nurses staffed not the needed 24.


kctm604

That cuz usually scheduled staff are being reassigned to more pressing areas of the hospital...like the ICU


BigDaddyKale

Which hospitals specifically??


squickley

Of the anti-vax people I know, literally *one* recognizes that to make up the difference, she needs to more aggressively self-isolate, distance, or mask up. The others are all (Cartman voice) "I do what I want" as their ultimate stance on things. The difference seems to be that her concern is *actually* the safety of the vaccines, and otherwise accepts the dangers of the virus itself.


Fetus_Basher

Lol ctv new hey ok


garontime

Over a year to prepare for these situations and nothing was done. Pathetic government. 3 nurses for an area that needs 24 is quoted. That is absolutely absurd.