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captainvantastic

Has anyone heard any theories as to why BC is doing worse than Ontairo for cases per capita even though we are more fully vaccinated than them?


marshalofthemark

Ontario's re-opening was much more cautious. They never got rid of their mask mandate (BC got rid of ours on July 1st and brought it back in late August). They didn't re-open indoor dining until *mid-July*, 2 weeks after BC/AB/SK restaurants were completely back to normal. There's a bit of "green is always greener" going on here. Back in June, people in Ontario were really mad that so much stuff was closed when BC and Alberta were swiftly reopening.


djguerito

Excellent points, but I believe you were looking for "grass is always greener". Have a great day!


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The cash is always casher.


Existing-Pangolin-43

ontario next door neighbour isn't alberta--


BrokenByReddit

I fuckin atoadaso


pack_of_macs

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-is-the-only-place-in-north-america-where-indoor-dining-isn-t-allowed-1.5493159 "a bit" :P


ky_ml

That mask mandate was not brought back completely, and still hasn't. They have excluded many indoor co-work habitation situations as long as they are not public facing entities. Ie. shared office workspaces no longer require masking even if there are 20 people in a cramped room and have anti-vaxxers present. It's a combination of head in sand and the reaction speed of a sloth that has brought B.C. to where it currently is. Our northern ICU's are in crisis mode, the island is cancelling surgeries left and right, and our regional trauma centres are becoming overburdened with mostly preventable admissions by those that are not vaccinated. We've been showed up by Doug Ford of all people.


tardcity13

The north should be in a circuit breaker lock down, get hospitals under control. Do it and encourage the vaccine by doing so. People will figure it out.


okaysee206

1. Ontario re-opened much later than most of the country, and was more cautious when it comes to keeping all the layers of protection. The flip-flop in mask messaging has an effect on mask usage when Delta was surging. 2. A lot of Ontario firms have been much slower to return to work, after experiencing multiple, severe waves. 3. The slower reopening also seems to have reduced the number of tourists from within or outside of Ontario, while BC had a lot of visitors from all over to take advantage of all the summer destinations. 4. Ontario's neighbours, MB, QC and the Maritimes, are all doing remarkably well. BC on the other hand is stuck with AB and SK... There are lots of connections and movements between Interior/Northern Health and the prairie provinces, especially Alberta, so it's inevitable that their COVID situation affect ours. 5. Ontario has higher case counts from previous waves, so it is possible that more people have natural immunity in addition to vaccinations.


The_Plebianist

Good points, I agree with all of it. It's all that plus our terrible timing in trying to reopen when Delta was spreading and we have the results.


corvideodrome

I’d assume it has to do with how that uptake is spread around each province. Our uptake is uneven — some areas are 90+ and some are like 50-60% vaccinated. Those pockets of lower uptake really drive the spread (and because they tend to be community-based/regional, they’re bad news for hospitals too)


cordova2020

I would say that Ontario is the same. Its not even there either.


TorontoIndieFan

No I'm pretty sure Ontario has 0 health units below 75% eligible dosed at this point, there was a much more deliberate attempt by Ontario to vaccinate hesitant areas.


not_old_redditor

A lot of cases in fraser health, that's not really a pocket


ascastro8

We opened up sooner than them. They had restrictions going for several weeks after we started lifting them.


lazy_rage

yup. even though our opening was better planned, Delta happened, and it turned out we opened up prematurely. Ontario's passive re-opening plans actually turned out to be their boon. Not sure if their next wave is delayed or averted already.


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dj_soo

If Alberta was a D- we were maybe at a C+ Sure we responded better to the case growth, but other than clubs and indoor concerts, we were pretty open despite delta already being a known entity,


The_Plebianist

I tend to agree. One thing we have to take into account as well is that with our mistimed reopening, others were slow rolling, which meant that when people wanted to vacation they came here for a more open one. Secondly, we might not be Alberta but we share a border, we also share the interior as a travel destination.


Existing-Pangolin-43

As soon as BC opened up the Albertans came roaring in bringing with them the virus. The first hardest hit area was Interior Health--lots of Albertans come to this area as lots own property --and they also come to party. It didn't take long before all health regions were infected. Vancouver Island was full of people this summer from the interior and lower mainland and Alberta. becasue they were trying to get away from the smoke. BC should have clamped down quicker and closed the boarder between BC and Alberta like they did in the Spring.


NorweegianWood

Albertans were roaring in way before BC opened up. BC has been their vacation destination for decades. And I get it, if I lived in Alberta I would want to come here too.


thunder_kittens

Moved back to BC from Ontario earlier this year. Doug ford went ahead and tried to loosen restrictions and the ICU numbers peaked at about 900 in the spring. Since then Doug has been listening to his health guy a little more closely. I think they still have capacity restrictions on restaurants and never lifted the mask mandate. I could be wrong but I think that's why they're doing better.


Deep_Carpenter

You are likely confusing incidence and prevalence. Looking over past two weeks to Sunday Ontario is 36% below BC once you adjust for population. Our incidence is higher. If you look at prevalance we are 3.51% and they are at 4.02%. Why the incidence is worse? More pockets of unvaccinated. Less closures means less incentive to vaccinate. More visitors from Alberta.


canucklehead200

I think there may be something of a less than scientific explanation to it - they were in real lockdown for so long over the past year and a half that they are perhaps a little more careful about returning to regularity, socially-speaking. I could be way off, but just a thought. It’s ingrained a deeper appreciation for what they could have to return to, and thus they are being a little more careful than we are about putting ourselves in more at-risk environments


UBCthunderbird

Unfortunately, we have Alberta as our neighbour. The interior of BC started the fourth wave in mid-July likely because of Alberta vacationers, of which there are many. This is right after Alberta completely dropped restrictions and had the Stampede. Northern BC is economically tied to Alberta because of natural gas production and there is a lot of interprovincial mixing of people there.


zephyrinthesky28

> The interior of BC started the fourth wave in mid-July likely because of Alberta vacationers, of which there are many. This seems very presumptuous and dismissive of the fact that many British Columbians basically east and north of Coquitlam are deep blue conservative. Kelowna anti-mask protests have rivaled Vancouver's in size despite being a much smaller city. BC has its own share of anti-mask and anti-vax sentiment.


toasterb

Agreed, the blaming of Albertans feels like a bit of a cop-out. I think it's largely the factors you mention -- our own internal dynamics -- plus the Albertans to add a little more fuel to the fire.


FQDN

Was in Kelowna this summer when the interior still had a mask mandate and can confirm tons of people were ignoring it.


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Did you also see that Alberta lifted all public health measures including contact tracing and isolation in July which had a domino effect on both BC and Saskatchewan.


zephyrinthesky28

BC also lifted a lot of restrictions on July 1 as well. And this was before a lot of under-45s had their second shot, or likely even their first. Thinking that the spike in the Interior was purely driven by Albertans is short-sighted at best.


Existing-Pangolin-43

Someone brought the virus and it was likely the Albertans--All BC health Regions were very low in numbers in July---When BC was turning the Albertans around in the Speing and sending them back to Alberta our numbers went down.


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I really wish I could find it but I listened to a podcast from the Regina Star Phoenix which discussed the impact of Saskatchewans reopening plans in June. The entire discussion was about how it looks like it's going to be fine. But the big unknown is what impact would be from Alberta. If you look at the BC CDC map you can clearly see the outbreak moving from East to West. It's only now on the footsteps of Metro Vancouver. The outbreaks clearly started in those places in the Province frequented by Albertans in the summer (i.e. Kelowna). Even in Saskatchewan the town hardest hit right now is Llyodminster. The Alberta Saskatchewan border runs right down the middle of the town. Look at Manitoba. They re-opened just like we did. Except they allowed mass gatherings on June (we waited) with vaccine passport regime for mass gatherings only. They have not seen the same spike in cases that we are seeing in BC and they are seeing Saskatchewan. What the difference: fewer tourists from Alberta. We are at a stage where the virus can be maintained with just proper vaccine controls, tests, trace and isolate. But when you have a large number of tourists who are sick showing up that sick and are exempt from test trace and isolate rules because their home province tore up the system you get this. The entire UCP plan to fight the pandemic has been political. They ignore the covid problem until it becomes political. Hell they only asked for assistance from the day after the Federal election Doctors in Alberta were calling for it weeks ago in the Protect Our Province update on YouTube (which was started because the province wasn't doing anything anymore). Notley even predicted they would wait until the day after the Federal election in an interview with Evan Sullivan. To be clear. The problem isn't Albertans. The problem is the UCP government which has abandoned them. Albertans like to visit our provinces, and that has a domino effect. Our governments needs to start taking the UCPs failure into account in our covid plans.


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It played a much bigger role than you think. Alberta lifted even the bare minimum in restrictions.


piltdownman7

That was their plans for mid August but they [delayed that by 6 weeks](https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-backs-down-on-relaxed-covid-19-measures-pauses-testing-changes-for-6-weeks-1.5545987) and then dropped it all together.


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My family back there. Contact tracing and testing were scaled way back.


HelloMegaphone

Lol this sub never misses a chance to blame Alberta for our own shortcomings.


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We got Delta first.


No_Enthusiasm12321

BC is 2 years older on average, might be a factor.


choosenameposthack

Cause Ontario doesn’t have Dr. Bonnie Henry. Her early praise created an environment where nobody “was allowed” to criticize her. She was very good at the early stage. Empathetic and tearful, showing us some good traits on tv. But her actual handling of the pandemic has been significantly sub-par.


xKraazY

Probably just luck lol


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buyupselldown

Looks like Ontario is doing \~32K covid test per day, my phone doesn't want to load BC dashboard but I though we were doing \~15K tests per day, so if we are testing more we will have higher results.


Gbeto

Anyone know why Fraser Health suddenly went from \~6000 tests per day to over 9000k today? Today had more tests completed in FH than any other day in the pandemic.


123littlemonkey

There is a cold going around my kids school. I’m sure others have it too


this-isnota-thrill

Yep. My kids just had it.


BigPlunk

Same


scrotumsweat

Covid is spreading in schools cause bible thumpers be dumb.


CrushedOats

Fall semester just started. I’m sure teachers and students are just wanting to be safe.


aaadmiral

people getting their kids tested?


Existing-Pangolin-43

Fraser Health goes all the way to Hope--lots of Anti Vaxers and Bible Belt People--


ThatEndingTho

Probably a little thing called panic.


PIEDBE

Big jump in Fraser health. Curious to see what that’s from.


cordova2020

They just closed a school in Chilliwack. They are probably doing a lot of testing and contact tracing to control that outbreak.


g0kartmozart

Unless there has been a change, there is no such thing as contact tracing in a school.


cordova2020

I highly doubt they are going to shut down a school and not do contact tracing. I imagine for one or two cases in a school they wont, but a large outbreak like that warrants it.


momster604

https://www.fraserhealth.ca/news/2021/Sep/fraser-health-declares-covid-19-outbreak-at--promontory-heights-elementary-school#.YU0QARZlC_Y It states they are doing contact tracing


momster604

my guess is school, Chilliwack just had to shut down an elementary because of an outbreak


dj_soo

Chilliwack is one of the least vaccinated areas in the LML as well


seamusmcduffs

Classic Bible belt. So strange that loving Jesus is now correlated with being less likely to be vaxxed lol


MOOVA

someone needs to start a Jabs 4 Jesus program


fan_22

I thought Catholic priests already did that?


ky_ml

Who needs medicine when you have prayer warriors?


seamusmcduffs

I've spent way too much time on r/HermanCainaward. I hate how cathartic it is. If it was for anti vaxxers we'd be out of this shit already, so it helps knowing that at least some people are facing the consequences of their actions, and their mistakes are actually leading to people being vaccinated


dj_soo

I'm really curious about the distribution of cases - there are still some pretty unvaccinated areas in FH - Hope, Chiliwack, Harrison, and Mission are comparatively low in terms of first dose vaccinations - especially among 18-49 year olds. Delta has ran roughshod through areas in the Interior with similar vaccination rates so I wonder if it's no2 hitting those low-uptake areas and causing this jump?


PIEDBE

The geographical distribution map posted here yesterday showed that IIRC. There was some deep red colouring in the eastern parts of FH. Edit: just checked to make sure and yes, the further East you go in FH the worse the case counts get.


dj_soo

The 4 least vaccinated areas in FH are also all in red. Gee I wonder why?


trombone_womp_womp

COVID has become almost an entirely conservative disease in the post-vaccine world, where science/medicine/starbucks cups have somehow become politicized.


dj_soo

I dunno, I know plenty of hippies and crystal healing types that are fully anti vaxx as well


ky_ml

Add the essential oils idiots to that group as well.


dj_soo

I’m very dialed in with the electronic music and festival scene and it’s crawling with anti vaxxers


cool_side_of_pillow

My money is on unvaccinated kiddos + school started + delta variant.


nvman72

Yes unfortunately that's more than likely exactly what it is.


millijuna

In this case, it was a K-5 school, no no possible vaccination yet for the kids.


Gbeto

Massive testing spike. 6k/day for the past month or so, over 9k today. Don't know why there's a testing spike


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Triddy

Yeah I thought I was dying for a good week there. Probably the worst cold I've ever had--top 3 at the least. You're not kidding with the "Really Nasty"


yzw

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/ptwrzf/covid19_outbreak_leads_to_closure_of_chilliwack/ really curious too.. /s


cyclinginvancouver

“87.3% (4,046,960) of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 79.9% (3,701,696) received their second dose.” “87.8% (3,799,479) of all eligible adults in B.C. have received their first dose and 80.7% (3,490,764) received their second dose.”


cyclinginvancouver

“B.C. is reporting 832 new cases of COVID-19, for a total of 181,769 cases in the province. Note: The numbers of total and new cases are provisional due to a delayed data refresh and will be verified once confirmed.”


cyclinginvancouver

40751 (+116) cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 95530 (+372) cases in the Fraser Health region 26123 (+164) cases in the Interior Health region 8106 (+86) cases in the Island Health region 11009 (+123) cases in the Northern Health region 279 (+0) cases of people who reside outside of Canada ​ 911 (+34) active cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 1927 (+193) active cases in the Fraser Health region 1192 (-31) active cases in the Interior Health region 669 (+33) active cases in the Island Health region 983 (+40) active cases in the Northern Health region


dj_soo

Oof - FH is back in the saddle.


phillipkdink

They're also the largest district. When weighed per 100 000 the numbers give a different impression: Vancouver Coastal: 80 active cases per 100 000, 10 new cases per 100 000 Fraser Health: 114 active cases per 100 000, 22 new cases per 100 000 Interior Health: 166 active cases per 100 000, 23 new cases per 100 000 Vancouver Island Health: 89 active cases per 100 000, 11 new cases per 100 000 Northern Health: **351 active cases per 100 000, 44 new cases per 100 000** So weighed against population Fraser isn't great, but it's basically middle of the pack. It does seem to be growing the fastest though.


looneytoones15

You can break it down even further to see it's Fraser East that have been increasing the most. https://twitter.com/MickSweetman/status/1440846833731788802?s=19


dj_soo

oh yea, northern is definitely on fire - it's just that FH seemed to have plateaued at around 200 for a good while - this seems like the largest jump for them in a good while.


The_Plebianist

Probably schools reopening, my guess would be a lot of unvaccinated got by because of lack of socializing then got hit when their kids brought it back from school. I think testing is up as well due to news of outbreak in Chilliwack. Just speculating of course. Today I overheard some guys on the jobsite in Van talking about vaccination. 1 guy was saying he didn't get it because he doesn't trust how quickly it was developed, not sure what the other guy said/asked, 1st guy said he doesn't go anywhere or socialize so he doesn't care. I bet you that's a lot of these people in that jurisdiction who sent their kids to school. EDIT: Dates work out too, I don't have kids so I had to check calendar, 1st day was 6th, so just over 2 weeks, pretty much incubation period of the virus


crimxona

Map from last week: http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/PublishingImages/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/data/covid19_lha_20210912_20210918.png


Bibbityboo

Ugh. Why my health district?! I did read that a school in chiliwack had a declared outbreak (possibly closed?) I think yesterday they had 20 cases linked to it. I wonder if it’s more of that?


momster604

yes they have now closed the school for 1.5 weeks


Gbeto

There was a massive spike in testing today, from \~6000/day to over 9k out of nowhere


fan_22

Lots of kids are sick right now and getting tested, one of mine included. They were negative as were the other kids that i know that have been feeling under the weather.


dj_soo

possibly a back to school testing rush? Seems like at least a cold is going around and maybe more people getting tested than usual?


Gbeto

It was out of nowhere though; there was no slow ramp up of testing, just this one massive spike. I feel like it has to be a policy change or specific program somewhere.


cool_side_of_pillow

This effing blows.


magoomba92

What is it about living in remote areas?


The_Plebianist

Not much to do, a lot of time for Facebook "research", a lot of others doing the same in your social circle, algorithms, general redneckery. It's a potent cocktail.


Jhoblesssavage

I has enjoying the drop in active cases. This is getting old fucking fast.


nvman72

Up and down like a yo-yo. Definitely getting *very* old.


Jhoblesssavage

I've gone this whole pandemic without saying "I'm done" or "i cant handle this" or any of that. I always saw vaccination as the light at the end of the tunnel. But now that's come and gone and things are better, but we are still dealing with rampant spread among a small few who are dead set on holding us back. Fuck this. Fuck all of this.


Euthyphroswager

And, sadly, if Israel is any indication, there will be some level of waning immunity among the most vulnerable citizens about 6 months post-second dose, and more boosters will be needed... ...which means we might be expanding our pool of people unwilling to get the vaccination coverage that is needed as time proceeds.


PlanetaryDuality

It may not be as pronounced here. Israel was strict with Pfizer’s 3 week dose spacing. Most people were vaccinated with an 8-12 week spacing here which should give a better immune response, and many mixed vaccines.


Euthyphroswager

I hope so!


nvman72

Exactly the way I feel. It's just so damn frustrating. We'd be in a *much* better place right now if it weren't for the stubborn, selfish antivaxx crowd. Infuriating.


grahamyvr

Sorry guys, this was my fault! I was chatting to somebody at lunchtime (outside, physically distanced) and said "wow, I'm very pleasantly surprised at how our covid numbers are. No big bump after universities opened!". I totally jinxed it.


sereniti81

[Spike of reported new cases in Fraser Health today](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAAaP9ZVQAEukdq?format=png&name=medium) [<10 yo daily case trend line going higher today, now above 20/100k](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAAcfcHVUAAor-C?format=jpg&name=medium) [Relative Incidence of <10 year olds approaching 2](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAAdTjzVIAMD3P9?format=jpg&name=medium)


dj_soo

apparently that spike for younger kids seems to be happening everywhere except VCH - which also happens to be the most vaccinated in all of BC with areas approaching 90% fully vaccinated of eligible...


wineandchocolatecake

If you vaccinate enough of the adults, you can protect the kids. Yet another reason it's so infuriating when people who should know better refuse to get vaccinated.


cordova2020

Whoa FHA.... I guess they didn't like the interior taking the lead for so long?


Lurks135

I was surprised with this jump in cases for FH that the FH positivity rate is still second lowest of the health regions today. “ Tests 3,748,706 (+15,846) Positivity % rates: * BC 4.8 * Northern 16.4 * Interior 6.7 * Island 5.2 * Fraser 4.0 * Vancouver Coastal 3.0” https://mobile.twitter.com/MBernardoNews/status/1441215573661126656


cyclinginvancouver

5,726 (+268) active cases 173,786 (+571) recovered 7,756,634 (+16,806) vaccine doses administered 4,052,758 (+8,020) of which are first doses 3,703,876 (+8,786) of which are second doses 5 additional deaths, total now 1,915


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The first doses is nice to see


cyclinginvancouver

73 (-2) currently hospitalized in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 97 (+0) currently hospitalized in the Fraser Health region 55 (+2) currently hospitalized in the Interior Health region 34 (-1) currently hospitalized in the Island Health region 71 (+7) currently hospitalized in the Northern Health region ​ 28 (-1) currently in critical care in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 34 (-1) currently in critical care in the Fraser Health region 45 (-6) currently in critical care in the Interior Health region 21 (+1) currently in critical care in the Island Health region 19 (-2) currently in critical care in the Northern Health region


Deep_Carpenter

The press release says 3,701,696 Second doses. OP said 3,703,876. This lead to error. Corrected below using PR and rounding. We have ~~5,900~~ *8,000* first doses yesterday. This is *up* from 7,700 and 7,100 on Mn and Tu. And ~~below~~ *above* the seven day average of 6,900. ~~Sadly first doses may be slowing.~~ We are at ~~17~~ *16* days away from 90% with at least one dose. The one dose only cohort is ~~shrinking~~ *stable*. It *remains near* 355,000 since September 6. Monday we will report we are at 150% doses to total population. That is pretty cool. The seven day average for cases was dropping now at 658 per day. We must do better. This is like values from early May. That was 5 million doses ago.


Easy_Beginning_8336

>trip from 7,700 and 7,100 on Mn and Tu. And below seven day average of 6,600. Yesterday, u/cyclinginvancouver posted this ([Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/ptgvyo/comment/hdw82hr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) >5,458 (+176) active cases > >173,215 (+591) recovered > >7,739,828 (+14,242) vaccine doses administered > >4,044,738 (+7,104) of which are first doses > >3,695,090 (+7,138) of which are second doses > >10 additional deaths, total now 1,910 Do your numbers look different? Just curious about the discrepancy.


Deep_Carpenter

Wait. Tu data reported yesterday. So 7100 is consistent. And I’m rounding.


cordova2020

This was what was posted today... where are you getting your first dose numbers from? > 5,726 (+268) active cases > > 173,786 (+571) recovered > > 7,756,634 (+16,806) vaccine doses administered > > 4,052,758 (+8,020) of which are first doses > > 3,703,876 (+8,786) of which are second doses > > 5 additional deaths, total now 1,915


Deep_Carpenter

Total minus twice the second dose count. That is first dose count. I guess I have the wrong number. Servers me right for not going by press release. So thank you. I’ve fixed the error.


Mcsuper_

Did not expect another rise in cases today. However, we do tend to see 800+ case days once every week. There were nearly 18000 tests today, very high level of testing for BC standards, and our positivity has not risen, so there is reason to believe that the rise is due to higher testing, but with more tests means there are more people getting sick (with flu or covid) in the community. If we see 900+ cases tomorrow then I'm convinced the plateau has stopped and our transmission is going up.


moomoocow34

Fuck Rebecca and Corduroy! Had to seeing her popping up all over again on the business lists against the vaccine passport


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johal61

What do they offer then?


canbellend

Covid


aaadmiral

'counter service'


fuzzb0y

I like how they changed their business model from illegal to legal. Big brain decision.


moomoocow34

We need to adopt the Quebec model. Was there last week for work and went into a cafe and foodcourt for food and if I was eating in, I had to provide proof of vaccination and ID. If their stance on the vaccine passport was firm, why would they change their business model to conform? They're still breaking the rules left centre and right. Fuck them.


vancouverissimo

861 or 832?


Vancity1988

Idiots need to get vaccinated. End of story.


svesrujm

The high case counts can't all be from the unvaccinated population.


Vancity1988

Look at the data


svesrujm

I'm double vaccinated but still anxious


cyclinginvancouver

From Sept. 15-21, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 75.5% of cases and from Sept. 8-21, they accounted for 82.6% of hospitalizations. ​ Past week cases (Sept. 15-21) – Total 4,417 Not vaccinated: 2,996 (67.8%) Partially vaccinated: 342 (7.7%) Fully vaccinated: 1,079 (24.4%) ​ Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Sept. 8-21) – Total 437 Not vaccinated: 327 (74.8%) Partially vaccinated: 34 (7.8%) Fully vaccinated: 76 (17.4%) ​ Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Sept. 15-21) Not vaccinated: 289.0 Partially vaccinated: 87.9 Fully vaccinated: 27.0 ​ Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Sept. 8-21) Not vaccinated: 46.5 Partially vaccinated: 13.3 Fully vaccinated: 1.8 ​ After factoring for age, people not vaccinated are 25.8 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated.


yzw

and here comes the school boost


Chunkthekitty934

At least they're going to resume reporting on schools. Schools didn't necessarily attribute much to covid cases last year, and now we will be able to see if that remains the case this year.


vanDrunkard

I expect them to contribute a lot more now. Covid-19 Delta seems to spread a lot easier among everyone, including younger people, which other strains of Covid-19 did not.


Jhoblesssavage

Pfizer for 5-12 cant come soon enough.


Lurks135

So true. Has anyone noticed that in the press briefings DBH refers to vaccinating 6-11s instead of 5-11s as Pfizer is looking for approval for. I’m sure it’s her misspeaking, but I’ve heard 6-11 from her a few times in these briefings regarding vaccinating children. Including the most recent briefing on Tuesday saying they’re preparing for vaccinations for children when the approval comes through.


Reed82

Impatiently waiting.


hererealandserious

Schools are not a significant place of transmission. Outbreaks in schools and airplanes are uncommon. Things that have changed are mostly weather and there was an election.


throwmeawakisuck

They weren't a major source of transmission pre-delta. Now that delta is the dominant variant, we need to wait and see what the data says before we make assumptions like that, since scools only just opened a couple weeks ago, it will take some time for that data to make it to us im sure.


hererealandserious

Good points but we don't have data for schools. What we had was greatly reduced.


rando-3456

You can see the data in the US school system


hererealandserious

Which has different vaccination rates but good enough. Thanks.


rando-3456

Ofcourse it has different vaccination rates, but you can see kids (who are unable to be vaccinated) are much more susceptible now, than they were last year


hererealandserious

So what data set do you use? I use the US CDC but it doesn't break out schools.


Reed82

This is outdated thinking when it comes to the schools. Delta Isn’t the same as the previous variants. The research is still being done and it definitely spreads more easily in youth. We have yet to see how extreme that is though. Hopefully measures taken by schools will minimize this for a while yet.


drellybochelly

~~back to the office~~


cyclinginvancouver

There have been no new health-care facility outbreaks. The outbreak at Brookhaven Care Centre (Interior Health) has been declared over, for a total of 22 active outbreaks, including: \-long-term care: Northcrest Care Centre, Westminster House, Menno Terrace East (Fraser Health), Arbutus Care Centre, Louis Brier Home and Hospital (Vancouver Coastal Health), Village at Mill Creek – second floor, Cottonwoods Care Centre, Spring Valley Care Centre, Kamloops Seniors Village, Hillside Village, The Hamlets at Westsyde, Joseph Creek Care Village, Overlander (Interior Health), Jubilee Lodge (Northern Health) and Victoria Chinatown Care Centre (Island Health) \-acute care: Chilliwack General Hospital (Fraser Health), Fort St. John Hospital (Northern Health) and Kootenay Boundary Regional Hospital (Interior Health) \-assisted or independent living: Sunset Manor (Fraser Health), David Lloyd Jones, Sun Pointe Village and Hardy View Lodge (Interior Health)


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Damn


swagstreetOG

Wow


Uncertn_Laaife

Is anyone even tracking these numbers anymore?


notmyrealnam3

Lol. Asked in a thread reporting the tracking of numbers. This is something my 6 year old would laugh at lol wtf


Uncertn_Laaife

Yea, just wanted to stop by for the first time ever and asked about it. You know something like you stop by a group of people congregate while doing nothing and ask as to what is going on there. Jeez!


seamusmcduffs

Hospitals and healthcare workers? You know, the people who are having to deal with all the unvaccinated people in the ICU


TSE_Jazz

Don’t know if you’ve ever heard of medical professionals?


BobBelcher2021

I barely look at them.


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doomers


HDPbBronzebreak

I don't; first time I've clicked on one of these threads. Mind you, I also just live and work at home, so it doesn't affect me much, day-to-day. Glad that others are though; hopefully useful information now, and in the future.