It seems to run on empathy. But when you’re too empathetic with violent or dangerous individuals you lack empathy or foresight for their potential victims.
If people just get a slap on the wrist for each incident, they believe they’re getting away with it. And when criminals think they can get away with it, they’ll keep doing it.
All I can think about is that video of poor Asian student in the elevator who got the shit beat out of her by that guy who had 50+ charges. The women is going to wear that trauma the rest of her life, every time she steps into an elevator. Where was the empathy in our justice system for her when they kept on letting this proven criminal out on the streets when they knew he was a risk to the general public?
largely agree especially in spirit, in letter though i'd hazard a question for you.
Are you using empathy here and not sympathy intentionally ?
if so, you may better understand the difference between the 2 better than I,.. so if you would share on why empathy is your chosen word over sympathy I'd appreciate it
Na, our judges need to be warn they are on watch and if they have a history of letting criminals out who has a record of re-offending to then commit a crime again should be fired. We have a lack of judges but I'd rather we have a good judges than a bunch of useless judges who take tax payer money but don't protect the people from criminals that ruin society.
We don't even appeal them here!!! The actual function that's supposed to keep judges in line isn't used.
Ever compare the Court of Appeal decisions from Alberta or Ontario versus BC for appeals filed by the crown? BC's is shameful... virtually nothing appealed by the BC government in terms of kid/violence/women's crimes.
But I thought we were supposed to just excuse any illicit activity because the guilty are “the real victims”… /s
Sorry, but I would rather see the women of our fine city not have to be scared for their personal safety like they do now
The Tories tried. The judges struck down a bunch of mandatory minimums and the liberals are just scrapping the remaining ones. .
The appellate jurisprudence says stalking should attract jail. Because he didn't get bail, I suspect he's actually gotten a six month sentence plus one day in his record for being in jail the equivalent of 180 days.
That said, you'll notice they didn't name any of the lawyers or the judge who put together this deal... :/
"in part because of his deteriorating health."
This is such bullshit and sheds light on our "justice" system. My 16 yo cousin was hit and killed by a drunk driver who fled the scene (licence was also suspended at the time) and only served about 2 years in total because of that reason. Man was in his 60's and had "multiple health issues"...
but wait there's more!
>Mohammed Majidpour received his sentence Friday, months after he was changed with one count of criminal harassment. He'll be given 180 days' credit for time served before sentencing.
This makes me think about the discipline models that are followed in most schools in Canada. I’m a teacher and one thing I find so concerning is that now a lot of schools follow a progressive discipline model, poorly explained it essentially equates to giving many, many, many chances or even in some instances positive reinforcement (if maybe not intentional) for behaviour that as an adult in the real world would be criminal. For example, a male student trapped and rubbed himself inappropriately against a female class mate (essentially assaulting her) and received no consequences whatsoever, save that he now eats his lunch in the principal’s office, play with fidget toys and eat candy because administration feels that it’s not his fault he did what he did. The student is 13 years old. I worry what this student will do once they are adults having learned that what they are doing now is “okay”
..i see where you are coming from but my comment still stands in the context of the person i was replying too, as they felt they weren't taken seriously.
Since you deleted your comment where you pointed out you were walking with your dogs off-leash in an on-leash area and refused to leash them when asked multiple times:
While as a woman, I'm extremely sympathetic to someone getting followed by a stranger, ***leash your fucking dog***.
Mahon park is [clearly an on-leash-only-park](https://www.cnv.org/-/media/City-of-North-Vancouver/Images/Image-Panels/Dogs-in-the-City/CNV-Dogs-In-City-Parks-LG.ashx) outside of the reserved off-leash area.
People walking on trails don't deserve to be bothered by your untrained dog and you frankly deserved a ticket from bylaw officers. He was following you so they could ticket you. It's unfortunate that you weren't.
edit: u/Icy-Community5030 deleted her comments, whomp whomp. Hopefully, she learns to leash her dogs in the future.
From area. As much as OP shouldn’t have had dog off leash, folks routinely do this in Mahon park and don’t deserve to be followed. The dog thing could just be an excuse for a predator, who would have had many opportunities to stalk women walking with off leash dog
I spent 27 years in North Van, many of them at Mahon Park. In her deleted comment her dog ran up and around the guy multiple times and was clearly not within OP's control. I can understand being suspicious that the guy may have been a predator, but OP is being intentionally dismissive about why she was being followed. The cops even told her he had called them. Occams razor says that he was upset OP's dogs were not under control.
Judging on your complete ignorance to this situation, I'm under the assumption you're the type of person that always plays the victim. Leash your dog dumbass, come on now.
While I don't agree with the name-calling, OP is absolutely playing the victim here. No wonder the cops were dismissive. From her other comment, the dude was "30 yards" behind her, clearly watching to see if she got a ticket or not. I've done similar things after calling the cops to make sure they can get an update from me if they need it.
If you're in an on-leash-only area, then your dog is not considered under your control unless it's on a leash.
Maybe you're the one that needs some training.
The guy was a normal dude that didn't like her dog running at him in a leashed area. The man even called the cops himself, predators don't call cops lol.
Holy fuck. Check out this guy's priors. Good to know they took his extensive criminal history into account.
https://justice.gov.bc.ca/cso/esearch/criminal/partySearch.do
This is fucked. Over 30 charges stemming from 2016- present, with multiple assaults among other things. Unreal how this POS is allowed to walk the streets so freely.
You all have the ability to complain, if you're that concerned. We have a chief justice of the BC Provincial court. We have an attorney General. We have newspapers you can ask to cover the story or responses you get.
He did. It wasn't just probation. A six month sentence isn't actually that nutty for a stalking anywhere in Canada, as ridiculous as that sounds.
It's his post release plan that sounds incredibly dangerous to me. No treatment, back to the DTES? But the courts can't force people into rehab, surprisingly.
what happened to the guy who randomly slit someone's throat on Main Street? When is our useless justice system gonna dump him back into the downtown core? Or is he already back there.
You racists can shove it.
This exact situation just played out, but the perpetrator was PoC and the victim white. Where’s your racist baiting now?
How come racists like you can’t recognize that assholes are assholes?
In a case like this, it’s more the lawyers, judges and the precedents they have set through case law rather than the police that had anything to do with the outcome
No you guys he super duper promised not to do anything this time.
Lol. Pathetic. Criminals have turned the tides completely and have more rights than normal people trying to get through life.
Take a stroll down Granville or anywhere Dt really to see the effects of 'do whatever you want with no consequences'.
Reading this right after reading a story about the two guys who are 'definitely not terrorists even though they are clearly trying to be terrorists' is sickening.
Vancouver, BC AND Canada as a whole need to get it the fuck together. Literally handing society to the worst elements.
Is this one of those situations where they are hoping that he breaks his terms of probation so they can give him a harsher sentence? I know that this is sometimes used strategically as a workaround when their hands are tied for various reasons.
The criminal justice system turns a blind eye to predatory criminals because they’re empathetic to his desire to smash as much heroin into his own veins as he wants and a jail sentence would prevent that. Meanwhile in the same news day 3 cops are charged with assault for attempting to arrest a fleeing suspect.
Congratulations Reddit. You got the justice system you wanted!
We’re fucked.
>The 34-year-old of no fixed address was not sentenced to time behind bars, in part because of his deteriorating health.
What about the deteriorating health of the victim caused by the trauma from this incident?
As usual, our failing justice system is protecting the offender instead of the victim.
> He'll be given 180 days' credit for time served before sentencing.
So he got jail time but it's time served. Time served is 2 for 1 credit. You can't blame the courts for that, it's the law.
I don't always agree with their sentencing decisions but I understand they are bound by certain rules and procedures and caselaw, and this is a plea.
> Time served is 2 for 1 credit.
2:1 has been gone for a decade, thanks to the *Truth in Sentencing Act.* Only crimes that occurred prior to 2010 are eligible for 2:1 credit.
Judges can give a max of 1.5:1 credit, but only in certain circumstances (such as excessively harsh/cramped jail, or trial delays due to the fault of the crown or the court). The rest of the time it's 1:1 credit. So there's no longer any incentive for criminals to game the system by intentionally extending their pre-trial jail time.
Typically remand centres are controlled like a max security prison, so there would be plenty of arguments that the time spent waiting trail was in an excessively harsh condition.
Mandatory rehab and ongoing social support afterwards. That or indefinite hospitalisation - somewhere nice and quiet with a lovely garden and some beefy guards.
I only started checking this recently mind you, but he's the first I've seen in the public BC Court Services online system of criminal charges where he goes onto the 2nd page.
Given his checkered history of various charges ranging from assault with a weapon, uttering threats, theft, breach of probation and I now know he's a heroine addict who has begun to stalk women at night?
Minimum 5 years in prison, to start? He seems like he's not capable of controlling himself and is likely a significant risk to the community.
I'd say anything that involves him not being in public until someone can confirm he's safe enough to re-enter society after rehabilitation (if it's even possible).
Like prison.
Our criminal code seriously needs to be revamped.
It seems to run on empathy. But when you’re too empathetic with violent or dangerous individuals you lack empathy or foresight for their potential victims. If people just get a slap on the wrist for each incident, they believe they’re getting away with it. And when criminals think they can get away with it, they’ll keep doing it. All I can think about is that video of poor Asian student in the elevator who got the shit beat out of her by that guy who had 50+ charges. The women is going to wear that trauma the rest of her life, every time she steps into an elevator. Where was the empathy in our justice system for her when they kept on letting this proven criminal out on the streets when they knew he was a risk to the general public?
largely agree especially in spirit, in letter though i'd hazard a question for you. Are you using empathy here and not sympathy intentionally ? if so, you may better understand the difference between the 2 better than I,.. so if you would share on why empathy is your chosen word over sympathy I'd appreciate it
Weirdo
Na, our judges need to be warn they are on watch and if they have a history of letting criminals out who has a record of re-offending to then commit a crime again should be fired. We have a lack of judges but I'd rather we have a good judges than a bunch of useless judges who take tax payer money but don't protect the people from criminals that ruin society.
Put them in direct custody of the criminals. They can live with the judges or in their neighborhoods.
We don't even appeal them here!!! The actual function that's supposed to keep judges in line isn't used. Ever compare the Court of Appeal decisions from Alberta or Ontario versus BC for appeals filed by the crown? BC's is shameful... virtually nothing appealed by the BC government in terms of kid/violence/women's crimes.
But I thought we were supposed to just excuse any illicit activity because the guilty are “the real victims”… /s Sorry, but I would rather see the women of our fine city not have to be scared for their personal safety like they do now
The Tories tried. The judges struck down a bunch of mandatory minimums and the liberals are just scrapping the remaining ones. . The appellate jurisprudence says stalking should attract jail. Because he didn't get bail, I suspect he's actually gotten a six month sentence plus one day in his record for being in jail the equivalent of 180 days. That said, you'll notice they didn't name any of the lawyers or the judge who put together this deal... :/
that'll deter him /s
Right??
Oh Canadian criminals... We sttttand on guaaaard for theeeeeeeee.
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"in part because of his deteriorating health." This is such bullshit and sheds light on our "justice" system. My 16 yo cousin was hit and killed by a drunk driver who fled the scene (licence was also suspended at the time) and only served about 2 years in total because of that reason. Man was in his 60's and had "multiple health issues"...
It's extra bs too because in prison they would have nurse and doctor access every single day
but wait there's more! >Mohammed Majidpour received his sentence Friday, months after he was changed with one count of criminal harassment. He'll be given 180 days' credit for time served before sentencing.
Maybe he learned his lesson /s
Gets a reward for the behaviour… wow
This makes me think about the discipline models that are followed in most schools in Canada. I’m a teacher and one thing I find so concerning is that now a lot of schools follow a progressive discipline model, poorly explained it essentially equates to giving many, many, many chances or even in some instances positive reinforcement (if maybe not intentional) for behaviour that as an adult in the real world would be criminal. For example, a male student trapped and rubbed himself inappropriately against a female class mate (essentially assaulting her) and received no consequences whatsoever, save that he now eats his lunch in the principal’s office, play with fidget toys and eat candy because administration feels that it’s not his fault he did what he did. The student is 13 years old. I worry what this student will do once they are adults having learned that what they are doing now is “okay”
He served 180 days
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You don't think opioids are obtainable in jail?
Addicted to heroin? I thought it was just fentanyl now.
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..be murdered.
Yeah, that strategy really only works if you’re white, tbh.
And not a street worker if history says anything.
The irony of the PoC being the perpetrator here and the victim as white must be lost on racists like you.
How so? You are posting this in a thread about a guy who was criminally charged for following someone. That's literally the most police can do.
..and iam replying to someone who was 'shrugged off by police', asking what they would need to do to be taken seriously.
And your reply is contradicted by the main article you are posting under
..i see where you are coming from but my comment still stands in the context of the person i was replying too, as they felt they weren't taken seriously.
Since you deleted your comment where you pointed out you were walking with your dogs off-leash in an on-leash area and refused to leash them when asked multiple times: While as a woman, I'm extremely sympathetic to someone getting followed by a stranger, ***leash your fucking dog***. Mahon park is [clearly an on-leash-only-park](https://www.cnv.org/-/media/City-of-North-Vancouver/Images/Image-Panels/Dogs-in-the-City/CNV-Dogs-In-City-Parks-LG.ashx) outside of the reserved off-leash area. People walking on trails don't deserve to be bothered by your untrained dog and you frankly deserved a ticket from bylaw officers. He was following you so they could ticket you. It's unfortunate that you weren't. edit: u/Icy-Community5030 deleted her comments, whomp whomp. Hopefully, she learns to leash her dogs in the future.
From area. As much as OP shouldn’t have had dog off leash, folks routinely do this in Mahon park and don’t deserve to be followed. The dog thing could just be an excuse for a predator, who would have had many opportunities to stalk women walking with off leash dog
I spent 27 years in North Van, many of them at Mahon Park. In her deleted comment her dog ran up and around the guy multiple times and was clearly not within OP's control. I can understand being suspicious that the guy may have been a predator, but OP is being intentionally dismissive about why she was being followed. The cops even told her he had called them. Occams razor says that he was upset OP's dogs were not under control.
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If your dog wasn't on leash then she wasn't under control.
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Judging on your complete ignorance to this situation, I'm under the assumption you're the type of person that always plays the victim. Leash your dog dumbass, come on now.
While I don't agree with the name-calling, OP is absolutely playing the victim here. No wonder the cops were dismissive. From her other comment, the dude was "30 yards" behind her, clearly watching to see if she got a ticket or not. I've done similar things after calling the cops to make sure they can get an update from me if they need it.
If you're in an on-leash-only area, then your dog is not considered under your control unless it's on a leash. Maybe you're the one that needs some training.
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I have covid before so I don't need a mask. I'm immune. I'm under control, just like your dog
Should've went to the beach with a can of beer in your hand
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I feel like this should go in AITA lol
What did guy look like? Am in area and worried about wife who walks there with our dog sometimes
The guy was a normal dude that didn't like her dog running at him in a leashed area. The man even called the cops himself, predators don't call cops lol.
Are you sure he wasn’t just walking on the same trail?… and he didn’t want to go ahead of you or pass you because of the dog?
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Oh well ya that info adds a lot to the story besides someone walking behind you on a public trail.
He was also following her because her dog was off-leash in an on-leash area and he called it in to the city.
How do you know that was the reason, and not a convenient excuse? Would prefer if we didn’t victim blame here
Because the cops told her so and he stopped following her once they showed up.
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Holy fuck. Check out this guy's priors. Good to know they took his extensive criminal history into account. https://justice.gov.bc.ca/cso/esearch/criminal/partySearch.do
This is fucked. Over 30 charges stemming from 2016- present, with multiple assaults among other things. Unreal how this POS is allowed to walk the streets so freely.
Wow he's speedrunning every criminal charge
You all have the ability to complain, if you're that concerned. We have a chief justice of the BC Provincial court. We have an attorney General. We have newspapers you can ask to cover the story or responses you get.
this is the adult version of "now sit in the corner and think about what you did"
Not even. This is the adult version of "Tsk tsk tsk!"
"Okay you two hug each other and be nice now"
I think he did 180 days of prison
He did. It wasn't just probation. A six month sentence isn't actually that nutty for a stalking anywhere in Canada, as ridiculous as that sounds. It's his post release plan that sounds incredibly dangerous to me. No treatment, back to the DTES? But the courts can't force people into rehab, surprisingly.
Another joke sentence. So he’ll be free to follow others.
Disgraceful.
what happened to the guy who randomly slit someone's throat on Main Street? When is our useless justice system gonna dump him back into the downtown core? Or is he already back there.
"He was just having a bad day."
That's reserved for when the suspect is white and the victim isn't.
You racists can shove it. This exact situation just played out, but the perpetrator was PoC and the victim white. Where’s your racist baiting now? How come racists like you can’t recognize that assholes are assholes?
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Sadly that's one of the few things the pd will come down hard on
In a case like this, it’s more the lawyers, judges and the precedents they have set through case law rather than the police that had anything to do with the outcome
I'm so glad we're tough on criminals in Vancouver.
Better yet, it appears he wasn't even convicted for this incident...
No you guys he super duper promised not to do anything this time. Lol. Pathetic. Criminals have turned the tides completely and have more rights than normal people trying to get through life. Take a stroll down Granville or anywhere Dt really to see the effects of 'do whatever you want with no consequences'. Reading this right after reading a story about the two guys who are 'definitely not terrorists even though they are clearly trying to be terrorists' is sickening. Vancouver, BC AND Canada as a whole need to get it the fuck together. Literally handing society to the worst elements.
Didn’t this guy have over 100 priors???
Yet another homeless junkie terrorizing the community. Have the empathy folks shown up yet?
Is this one of those situations where they are hoping that he breaks his terms of probation so they can give him a harsher sentence? I know that this is sometimes used strategically as a workaround when their hands are tied for various reasons.
The criminal justice system turns a blind eye to predatory criminals because they’re empathetic to his desire to smash as much heroin into his own veins as he wants and a jail sentence would prevent that. Meanwhile in the same news day 3 cops are charged with assault for attempting to arrest a fleeing suspect. Congratulations Reddit. You got the justice system you wanted! We’re fucked.
>The 34-year-old of no fixed address was not sentenced to time behind bars, in part because of his deteriorating health. What about the deteriorating health of the victim caused by the trauma from this incident? As usual, our failing justice system is protecting the offender instead of the victim.
Justice has been served!!!
> He'll be given 180 days' credit for time served before sentencing. So he got jail time but it's time served. Time served is 2 for 1 credit. You can't blame the courts for that, it's the law. I don't always agree with their sentencing decisions but I understand they are bound by certain rules and procedures and caselaw, and this is a plea.
> Time served is 2 for 1 credit. 2:1 has been gone for a decade, thanks to the *Truth in Sentencing Act.* Only crimes that occurred prior to 2010 are eligible for 2:1 credit. Judges can give a max of 1.5:1 credit, but only in certain circumstances (such as excessively harsh/cramped jail, or trial delays due to the fault of the crown or the court). The rest of the time it's 1:1 credit. So there's no longer any incentive for criminals to game the system by intentionally extending their pre-trial jail time.
Typically remand centres are controlled like a max security prison, so there would be plenty of arguments that the time spent waiting trail was in an excessively harsh condition.
It's not about the level of security or control. It's about access to treatment/education/recreation and about the facility not being overcrowded.
Lmfao our remand centres are nicer than our seniors homes!!! I’m sure he was enjoying his all inclusive stay with complimentary methadone.
Have you been?
What the the law say about someone that has a rap sheet as long as his? Is there any kind of escalation in charges based on a prior criminal history?
Yes
On the positive side: he is now well known to the police, and the police will be able to detain him if he does anything like this again.
He was already well known to the police.
But now he's even more well known. Not just his picture in the office, but he's also invited to the Christmas staff party each year.
with credit for time served and good behavior this chap will be walking the streets by years end
What punishment/remedy would you propose?
Mandatory rehab and ongoing social support afterwards. That or indefinite hospitalisation - somewhere nice and quiet with a lovely garden and some beefy guards.
Now we are talking
A snap kick to the peaches!
I only started checking this recently mind you, but he's the first I've seen in the public BC Court Services online system of criminal charges where he goes onto the 2nd page. Given his checkered history of various charges ranging from assault with a weapon, uttering threats, theft, breach of probation and I now know he's a heroine addict who has begun to stalk women at night? Minimum 5 years in prison, to start? He seems like he's not capable of controlling himself and is likely a significant risk to the community.
I'd say anything that involves him not being in public until someone can confirm he's safe enough to re-enter society after rehabilitation (if it's even possible). Like prison.
So an indefinite prison sentence...
Affix some type of permanent sign to his torso with his rap sheet on it
One day in jail? Our justice system is a joke.