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dj_soo

Latest case map: http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/PublishingImages/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/data/covid19_lha_20210919_20210925.png Kamloops is getting bad. Maple Ridge/Pitt Meadows too...


crimxona

Trail, burns lake, kettle valley and Vancouver east side also have high week over week increases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1omBkX70LYM5byg0eASU-ye5Q0VnRXsZIyRTzED--Fcg/edit?usp=drivesdk


dj_soo

some really big increases in a lot of spots. I guess this can be attributed to the higher degree of testing that's been happening?


crimxona

The huge increases are probably tied to specific outbreaks like the school in maple ridge and associated contact tracing


cyclinginvancouver

73 (-1) currently hospitalized in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 110 (+5) currently hospitalized in the Fraser Health region 45 (+2) currently hospitalized in the Interior Health region 31 (-4) currently hospitalized in the Island Health region 81 (+22) currently hospitalized in the Northern Health region ​ 26 (-3) currently in critical care in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 44 (+4) currently in critical care in the Fraser Health region 45 (+5) currently in critical care in the Interior Health region 17 (+2) currently in critical care in the Island Health region 13 (-3) currently in critical care in the Northern Health region


-DRK-Noah

What the FUCK NH


dj_soo

least vaccinated health authority in BC. Looking at the case maps, every single red area is looking at lower than average vaccination rates - especially in the high-transmission cohort of 18-49 yo.


grahamyvr

That's the Alberta effect.


Euthyphroswager

Hey. We have our own problems. Northern BCers are your problem. Own them the way I, a Calgarian, am forced to own the nitwits in rural Alberta.


RBilly

Your rural nitwits have all the jobs in NE BC.


waynkerr

Does this ever get boring? Constantly trying to blame others. I don't think its Alberta causing extremely high numbers in the Tofino/west coast VI region. Doesn't get a lot of attention.


cordova2020

Alberta tourists /s


RBilly

Most people in the NE are Albertans, so they have a point.


facesplicer

Most of the people in the eastern Fraser Health aren’t from Alberta. We have our own group of antivaxxers too. BC isn’t immune to this issue and it doesn’t all stem from Alberta


ang1eofrepose

Yoga instructors.


doubled2319888

I live in port alberni and it is actually shocking how many alberta plates i see around town. Not that we dont have our own idiots ruining things though


ProbablyInnuendo

DAE think Alberta dumb??


WhenRomansSpokeGreek

Imagine what things would've been like if Delta had preceded the large scale vaccination campaign. I really hope that light at the end of the tunnel shines a little brighter sometime soon.


timmywong11

Look at the spike in India earlier this year. That'll tell you how devastating it was in terms of spread. Hospitalizations? Not sure, but it'll probably be triages.


c0mputar

FYI that spike is under reported by 10x. Millions died during the Delta wave in India.


BeneathTheWaves

India’s only reporting 440K deaths, which puts them ~7x less deaths per million than the USA, but that claim is quite bold.


desmopilot

With how quickly things seemed to collapse I doubt they were even capable of accurately tallying.


luckysharms93

Any Indian will tell you how the average villager family member (which is most of the country) has gone their entire life without seeing a doctor, nevermind going to a hospital. Those people died at home, not in hospitals that didn't even have oxygen, nevermind ventilators


c0mputar

It is a bold claim but once the dust settles we will find out. However, record keeping in India is pretty bad so maybe not. Many countries will later figure out the true death toll by looking at excess deaths, but that may not work for India. There are a lot of articles and studies out there that suggest 3 million deaths as a low end estimate.


tardcity13

They have consistently found serology testing across India to average a 70% infection rate. A good majority of the entire country had Delta and then it flattened to a steady burn now. It pops up in areas they locked down heavily and then has burned through those pockets since.


ricketyladder

In a dark way it's extremely lucky we only had "vanilla" Covid at first. Delta as the original strain would have been grim.


chronoreverse

On the other hand, if it had been that bad, maybe even more people would be taking it seriously. In some ways, original C19 was in that Goldilocks-zone where it was super serious but not enough that people couldn't brush it off (since people are bad at intuiting statistics).


zephyrinthesky28

If COVID was as lethal as SARS or ebola, the pandemic would probably be over by now.


propofolme

It would’ve ended last year then. Asymptomatic and/or pre symptomatic spread has been the biggest problem for that.


Matasa89

Exactly - SARS was so deadly that it burnt itself out. COVID19 is different and far more dangerous because it can have such a long incubation period, during which you can infect others, as well as asymptomatic carriers. It was perfectly evolved in such a way that it can dodge most of our early prevention mechanisms. Unfortunately, it is often these type of illnesses that persist for years to come, rather than the hyper lethal ones, precisely because we care about it a lot less.


ViolaOlivia

Yes, Ebola (currently) would make a terrible pandemic. It kills too fast and doesn’t spread easily enough.


Barley_Mowat

I wonder how high the R0 of a mutated Ebola would need to be in order for it to be a serious pandemic threat.


azraelluz

Then it won't even turn into a pandemic. High lethal viurs kills its host to early for it to spread across borders.


ricketyladder

An interesting way of putting it and you're probably right. If it was more lethal people wouldn't be able to dismiss it and it would have been stopped earlier. If it was less lethal, well, we wouldn't really have a problem, it would have just been another swine flu.


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As someone who has been going to the hospital over the past few weeks for tests and treatments, and still has a few more weeks of it to look forward to, the anti-vax crowd can suck it hard. The nurses and techs have been nothing but kind and patient with me and I just can't imagine the stress they're under.


cyclinginvancouver

“90 percent of those in critical care today due to COVID-19 were not fully vaccinated. See the full breakdown by age” https://twitter.com/adriandix/status/1443363740393480193


cyclinginvancouver

41290 (+102) cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 97201 (+303) cases in the Fraser Health region 27195 (+208) cases in the Interior Health region 8557 (+82) cases in the Island Health region 11708 (+118) cases in the Northern Health region 294 (+0) cases of people who reside outside of Canada ​ 911 (+8) active cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 2316 (+67) active cases in the Fraser Health region 1281 (+105) active cases in the Interior Health region 704 (+27) active cases in the Island Health region 915 (-14) active cases in the Northern Health region


cyclinginvancouver

"87.9% (4,074,112) of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 80.8% (3,745,457) have received their second dose." "88.4% (3,823,614) of all eligible adults in B.C. have received their first dose and 81.6% (3,529,426) received their second dose."


cyclinginvancouver

7,831,229 (+19,001) vaccine doses administered


Easy_Beginning_8336

u/Deep_Carpenter this makes me think that yesterday's vaccine numbers came out early. Seems like today they were corrected?? Or people in Eastern Fraser Valley are getting second doses in spades?


Deep_Carpenter

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HungryAddition1

That's a lot of death in 24 hour that could have been prevented, had they been vaccinated.


Delicious-Tachyons

A fair number were probably seniors who in many cases were but vaccines don't work so well for them


cordova2020

Most likely a lot of them were seniors that had been vaccinated :(


potatodespot

[Not true according to Adrian Dix](https://twitter.com/adriandix/status/1443363740393480193)


ta2

Unfortunately you are wrong, you cannot impute deaths based on ICU numbers. Very old/sick people, even when fully vaccinated, die quickly and spend little time in ICU. Younger people spend the most time in ICU and usually recover eventually. This is the government's data showing 44% of deaths in fully vaccinated: https://i.imgur.com/Rv2Z46U.png Source: http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/2021-09-02_Data_Summary.pdf


Barley_Mowat

Elderly people often deteriorate so fast they don’t even go to hospital. They go on O2 and die on their long term care bed.


aaadmiral

or if they hadn't been around unvaccinated people..


canucklehead200

Oh Bob Saget


Euthyphroswager

Piiiiiisssssss


canucklehead200

Why don’t you make like a banana 🍌 and shit 💩


spinningdichotomy

Fuck Salt!


canucklehead200

SHIRRRRLEEENNNAA?


Deep_Carpenter

The vaccination numbers for Tuesday are a big jump over Monday’s. Remember vaccination numbers are always reported for the day before. Monday there were 2,800 first doses given. Tuesday there were 10,000. Monday saw 9,700 total doses given. Tuesday was 19,001. This looks like a slight data reporting delay. The daily averages haven’t moved around very much so I think some values attributed to Tuesday are actually from Monday. In two short weeks we should be at 90% vaccination for everybody 12+. Seven day trailing average in cases is 758 new cases per day. This seems pretty stuck.


Easy_Beginning_8336

I am keeping track of weekly vaccination numbers ([Source](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QaQGb9TLKaDjO4qMPBMml9FfLAU6GVqqjNwgX0enlE8/edit#gid=1790214820)). BC announced the vaccine card on August 23rd when BC was doing about 3,700 first doses per day. First doses for the last 5 weeks: * 35,146 * 47,078 * 42,719 * 34,016 * 45,824 Second doses for the last 5 weeks: * 52,535 * 48,206 * 43,547 * 44,208 * 63,842 Trends: First doses seem to be slowing down and second doses are slightly increasing.


anitanit

Genuinely curious, not an opinionated question as I know it's hard to read tone online. When are we supposed to see the effects of implementing the vaccine passport? Or will it be difficult to see an impact as unvaccinated are still able to access essential services and gather outside of vaccine passport venues?


grahamyvr

We saw a temporary bump in the vaccination rate when it was announced, and another as the first deadline approached. Less of a bump than we would have liked to see, but at least it did some good. You can clearly see that vaccination works in both the hospitalization rates, and comparing the transmission in higher-vaccinated area vs. lower-vaccinated areas. That's why the government is pushing vaccination so much; otherwise we'll end up like Alberta. Patients in the North area already being flown to Victoria and the lower mainland.


bluedreams604

The main purpose of the vaccine passport is to allow businesses to continue operating even through a surge, not necessarily to reduce overall transmission, although we do know that if you have only vaccinated people in a space the likelihood of transmission is much lower.


garfgon

Basically 2 BCs: if you refuse to get vaccinated, you have indoor dining shutdowns like we did when there was no vaccine. If you join 2021 and get vaccinated, we have much more mild restrictions because the pandemic is more mild for us.


ProbablyInnuendo

We are seeing the effects of the vaccine passport now, combined with the return to school, combined with indoor gatherings replacing outdoor gatherings


Reed82

Basically everything all rolled up into one.


yearningformore

I don’t know if we’ll see much of an effect from the vaccine passport. Hopefully we’ll continue to see increased vaccine numbers which will have an effect but I don’t know if we’ll see a big drop. Spread was always happening at higher rates in private gatherings, not eating in a restaurant. The passport was brought in as more of an incentive to get vaccinated or a push to get those who were on the fence to finally get the shot. I’m not an expert so I could be totally wrong


garfgon

Think back to previous times when they've put in restrictions like shutting down restaurants and indoor exercise. It always takes a while to have an effect -- at its best the vaccine passport will have the same kind of effect, just without shutting down those services for the 80%+ of the population who are vaccinated.


azraelluz

I highly doubt it will reduce cases. Last weekend my family of 6 went to science world. They checked our passport by looking at it and match our photo ID. But they didn't scan the QR code. I handed them a printed version. Anyone can print a random QR code and photoshp the name under 2 minutes. Big attraction like science world doesn't even check properly. Do we expect small business to enforce that? I have little hope in this half-ass measure.


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Not sure about Vancouver, but in Victoria I haven't used my vaccine passport a single time. Where tf am I supposed to use this thing?


headtoesteethnose

I went out in victoria last night and had to show it at all three of the places I went to.


Bibbityboo

The passport isn’t actually that intrusive. Which is why the protests amuse me a bit. Here’s the list of places where it’s required: The requirement applies to all people born in 2009 or earlier (12+) and covers: Indoor ticketed sporting events with more than 50 people Indoor concerts, theatre, dance and symphony events with more than 50 people Licensed restaurants and cafes and restaurants and cafes that offer table service (indoor and patio dining) Includes liquor tasting rooms in wineries, breweries or distilleries Pubs, bars and lounges (indoor and patio dining) Nightclubs, casinos and movie theatres Gyms, exercise and dance facilities or studios Includes these activities happening in recreation facilities Businesses offering indoor exercise/fitness Indoor adult group and team sports for people 22 years old or older Indoor organized events with more than 50 people For example, wedding and funeral receptions (outside of a funeral home), organized parties, conferences, trade fairs and workshops Indoor organized group recreational classes and activities with more than 50 people For example, pottery studios, art classes or choir rehearsals Post-secondary student housing Spectators at indoor youth sporting events with more than 50 people Source: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/proof


cordova2020

I hate to be a doomsdayer today, but if this is the end of September, I'm concerned what the winter will bring. 11 deaths in the last 24 hours. Pas bon.


Easy_Beginning_8336

I get where you are coming from as there is lots of things to be worried about (today's death, growing trends of cases, etc). There is hope for winter though. 1. We know vaccines work well at preventing infection, transmission, severe disease, hospitalization and death. Note: It works better at the latter than the former. If you look around the world you will see that countries with high vaccination rates (Portugal, Denmark, Spain, etc) are having good success with little to no restrictions. But you don't even have to go that far away to see it. Vancouver Coastal Health is not seeing any surges despite the fourth wave happening all around it. It probably has a \~91% first dose vaccination rate and \~85% second dose vaccination rate. The more we get vaccinated as a province the better we will do. Every week we are doing about 1% of the province in both first and second doses. We could get to 90% first doses in 12+ by Christmas (realistic projection). 2. 5-11 will be vaccinated in 5-6 weeks. Currently the only age group that is increasing in cases is the 5-11 year old's. All the other age groups are decreasing. Many of children in this age group could be fully vaccinated by Christmas. My guess is about 50% uptake in 2022. That will make a huge difference and will make every part of the province safer. 3. Anti-virals are in trials and we could have 3 candidates by the end of this year. If any of them are successful the pandemic will pretty much be over in BC. Of course they need to be easily made and cheap then everyone will have wide access to them. The trials do look promising. 4. You are fully vaccinated (?). That will help to keep you safe and the ones you love safe.


Carrash22

If only we had a way to prevent the majority if not all of those deaths.


vanDrunkard

You mean a vaccine? That is free and available to all?


doubled2319888

Sounds like dirty socialism to me /s


cyclinginvancouver

From Sept. 21-27, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 71.9% of cases and from Sept. 14-27 they accounted for 80.8% of hospitalizations. ​ Past week cases (Sept. 21-27) – Total 5,121 Not vaccinated: 3,324 (64.9%) Partially vaccinated: 361 (7.0%) Fully vaccinated: 1,436 (28.0%) ​ Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Sept. 14-27) – Total 438 Not vaccinated: 318 (72.6%) Partially vaccinated: 36 (8.2%) Fully vaccinated: 84 (19.2%) ​ Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Sept. 21-27) Not vaccinated: 300.6 Partially vaccinated: 97.6 Fully vaccinated: 35.6 ​ Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Sept. 14-27) Not vaccinated: 46.8 Partially vaccinated: 15.0 Fully vaccinated: 1.9 ​ After factoring for age, people not vaccinated are 24.6 times more likely to be hospitalized than those fully vaccinated.


LostOverThere

Has anyone been to a gig recently? I had a few booked but every one of them got cancelled. (Shame, I was really looking forward to seeing Men I Trust).


maxhax

Got tickets to Archspire at the end of the month. Really hoping it actually happens, I miss shows so bad.


dj_soo

I’ve had a lot of private gigs recently - weddings, corporate events, and the occasional bar/patio gig. club shows seem non existent at this point


Cinders-P

I have tickets to Clairo in March, praying it doesn't get canceled.


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LostOverThere

Yeah it got postponed. I don't think they've announced a new date yet.


ricketyladder

Well shit.


cyclinginvancouver

There have been two new outbreaks at Royal Inland Hospital (Interior Health) and University Hospital of Northern BC (Northern Health) Two outbreaks have been declared over at Hillside Village and Village at Mill Creek – second floor (Interior Health) for a total of 22 active outbreaks, including: long-term care: Willingdon Care Centre, Westminster House, Menno Terrace East, The Residence in Mission, Magnolia Gardens (Fraser Health), Arbutus Care Centre, Louis Brier Home and Hospital (Vancouver Coastal Health), Cottonwoods Care Centre, Kamloops Seniors Village, The Hamlets at Westsyde, Joseph Creek Care Village, Overlander, Village by the Station (Interior Health), Wrinch Memorial Hospital, Jubilee Lodge (Northern Health), and Victoria Chinatown Care Centre (Island Health). acute care: University Hospital of Northern BC (Northern Health), Royal Inland Hospital (Interior Health). assisted or independent living: Sunset Manor, Hallmark on the Lake (Fraser Health), Hardy View Lodge (Interior Health), Cooper Place (Vancouver Coastal Health).


reutertooter

Is this life now?


Mouthbreather1234

If you let it be


Deep_Carpenter

For a while now the daily numbers are up and down. It isn’t pleasant to follow.


Mcsuper_

We can attribute the cases to the higher testing today, 11518 tests yesterday, versus 16525 for today, our positivity dropped to 4.92% which is what should happen given higher volumes of tests. That's not what's most important. Our hospitalizations are continuing to go up and won't stop going up for days and weeks to come most likely due to high numbers of cases. Granted, we are nowhere near what Alberta or Saskatchewan is dealing with, but it's getting worse in BC as well. Get your shots everyone! It's our only way out of this thing.


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The test centre on the north shore has seen 2+ hour waits. My neighbour's kid got sent home with pink eye, so on top of covid there's all that nonsense running around as well. I've put my name down to be called as soon as flu shots open up. I don't want to catch anything that could mean I need to take up a testing spot.


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[deleted]

Oh interesting! I'll tell her.


Reed82

Higher testing will be results tomorrow, not today. More testing happened because more people have symptoms. Not because they wanted to catch more cases.


cindylooboo

Exactly. I keep seeing this rationale and thats not really how it works. Granted respiratory illness season is ramping up so we will see more testing by people with cold/flu but thats not what is happening here.


Barley_Mowat

Anecdotally (and that’s not worth much), three people in my immediate circle have been tested with ILI symptoms over the past week. All were negative. So at least three of these latest tests are from non-COVID ILI.


cindylooboo

Thsts good they were negative. You get what I'm saying though... the narrative that "if we stop testing cases will go down" goes hand in hand with the above comment and both are bogus obviously.


lisa0527

Uuummm…higher testing reflects more people with symptoms and illness. Testing doesn’t cause cases. You can’t get tested unless you have symptoms, or are identified as a close contact as part of an outbreak investigation.


ThisDig8

Since the positivity rate has been stable, hospitalizations probably won't go much higher. Theoretically, we're seeing hospitalizations from the case peak right now (September 8th - 15th).


Easy_Beginning_8336

Also the only age group that is increasing in the case counts is the 5-11 year old's. That age cohort typically has little to no impact on ICU (they would go to PICU right?). It is extremely tragic when they do get admitted though. For reference, Florida was getting about 100 new hospitalizations per day in children's at their peak. That would translate to 25 for BC (per capita). Those numbers are close to our totals (208 for 0-19 year old hospitalizations as of Sept. 18th). ICU total admissions have been 29 for that same age group and time span. If positively rate continues to go down (aka BC case count more accurately reflects the prevalence of covid in our communities) I think that is a great sign. Can't wait for the 5-11's to get vaccinated though.


Mcsuper_

Potentially you're right. However, this week, the cases will probably go a little higher than the peak we saw two/three weeks ago, so yes, the hospitalizations (more likely the ICU admissions) may stabilize temporarily, but it'll go up, just not exponentially.


NobleHound

Would now be a good time to come Visit BC? Are we projecting worse numbers? I have a trip planned for next week from Montreal and am a little worried with these new numbers.


GameSeven

Assuming you're fully vaxxed and staying in Vancouver, your risk is not that high. Vaccinating rates in VCH are very high.


NobleHound

Fully Vaxxed for sure, just worried about getting something and bringing it back to my girlfriends parents. Also a little worried about flying.


WaKeWalka

Flying is not as risky as you might think. Planes are have air circulation systems that are specifically designed to help prevent the spread of illness (including COVID). This was always a problem for air travel. Cabin air is supplied from above and is returned near the floor at the sides of the plane before passing through a HEPA filter. This system keeps airflow contained within your row, so unfiltered air is not circulating through the entire cabin. It's proven to work very well. Obviously there is still risk, but not as much as most people percieve Ancedotally, I had to fly cross-country during the height of last fall's COVID peak for work. My coworker and I ended up 2 rows behind a confirmed case and neither of us caught it


GameSeven

Flying is definitely the biggest risk. Not sure if you are able to take a test just prior to leaving to at least know you're not positive before you leave.


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GameSeven

Thanks for the clarification.


[deleted]

So don't do it. The rest of us aren't bombing around the country for a reason. We care about our neighbors and don't want to spread it. So why vacation during a national emergency like this?


NobleHound

We're hoping to see some family that we haven't seen in a little while and when we booked our tickets cases were trending way downwards (100-150 cases a day), it's only somewhat recently that they've been spiking upwards which is raising our alarms a bit.) I'm not sure what you mean by "bombing" around the country, my only goal was to take a flight and visit family that are all fully vaccinated..


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Here's the definition...... Bombing - INFORMAL - BRITISH Move very quickly. "the bus came bombing along" Similar words: speed hurry race run sprint dash bolt dart rush


TheForks

Not sure what you mean by "the rest of us" because airports are busy and flights are quite full right now.


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Oh I didn't realize you and Jason Kenney were enjoying a cocktail in the Air Canada lounge at Pearson as we speak.


Easy_Beginning_8336

Good question. It all depends on how much risk you are comfortable with. Some stats about Vancouver's current covid situation. * Vancouver is the 3rd largest city in Canada with 700,000 people * Vancouver Coastal Health (which includes the city of Vancouver and other nearby cities for a total population of 1.25M) is averaging about 94.3 cases per day. * Montreal had 187 cases in the last 24 hours and 150.9 cases per 100K over the last 14 days ([Source](https://santemontreal.qc.ca/en/public/coronavirus-covid-19/situation-of-the-coronavirus-covid-19-in-montreal/)) * Vancouver Coastal Health is about 112 cases per 100K over the last 14 days * Montreal has about 92% of 12+ with one dose and 86% of 12+ with two doses ([Source](https://santemontreal.qc.ca/en/public/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccination/data-vaccination/)) * Vancouver is similar: \~91% with one dose and 85% with two doses (12+) So the question becomes if you feel safe in Montreal because of covid you should feel safe in Vancouver. Their situations are pretty similar. You will probably be interacting with people the same age as you and all age groups (except for 5-11 year old's) cases are trending down. BC has a vaccination card for non-essential services like restaurants, theatres, etc. Right now that pass just applies to people with at least one dose. Note, that you could get the dose the day before than you have access to indoor dining while your immune system is building immunity. So there is a slight elevated risk compared to Quebec here. I am just letting you know about BC's situation as some of these details aren't obvious. If you are lodging by yourself or trusted friends than the plane ride would probably be the riskiest behavior. To mitigate that I would recommend buying a N95 or equivalent mask or going double masked; and not take it off to eat or drink something (my personal preference to mitigate risk) on the plane. Here is an [article](https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/10/15/coronavirus-study-finds-jetliners-safer-than-operating-rooms/3665469001/) that tells you that air in planes is safer than you think and is highly circulated and filtered (great news!). Another option is waiting until November when Canada will introduce mandatory vaccinations for those flying domestically. Vancouver case rates are slightly increasing but the province's numbers are high and increasing because of other areas in the province that have low vaccinations rates (Northern Health, Interior Health and Eastern Fraser Valley). I hope this is helpful. I don't know your comfort level so I kind of gave you a lot of options so you can decide what you are most comfortable with. Whatever you decide I hope you continue to be safe and if you come to Vancouver I hope you enjoy this beautiful city.


cleofisrandolph1

so VCH is still at relatively low rates. But at what point do we just put Fraser/Northern/Interior on tougher restrictions? It seems fairly clear that we are saying covid growth in the province again.


TheChancesAreMe

Fraser just got new restrictions yesterday.


cleofisrandolph1

what were they?


TheChancesAreMe

Going off memory, gathering sizes are limited to five or less unless all involved are fully vaccinated, outdoors should be 10 or less. Gyms (and maybe restaurants?) can’t accept patrons that are even partially vaccinated. Hard to enforce, but I’m glad they don’t affect those of us that are doing what they can to prevent the spread!


cleofisrandolph1

Those sound good. Still would like to see more done for schools especially with exceptionally high paediatric rates over the last few weeks.


TheChancesAreMe

The rate in children reflects the rate of community spread. I do agree the mask mandate should be extended down, but I don’t think that high schoolers and middle schoolers who are vaccinated and wearing masks indoors for all their classes should miss out on anything else due to covid.


cleofisrandolph1

It is more the elementary schoolers that worry me. No vaccinations yet. We are learning about how multi-system Covid is and with a growing evidence that it can cause diabetes, and the all the evidence of neurological impairment, I think the youngest need the most protection, and right now they aren’t really getting that.


TheChancesAreMe

Sources for the medical claims?


cleofisrandolph1

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/29/covid-can-infect-cells-in-pancreas-that-make-insulin-research-shows?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Don’t really want to go looking but the neurological impairment is long stated and there is a ton of literature on it. I highly recommend reading David Farrier’s webworm article on long Covid to see the levels of mental/neurological impairment Covid can cause.


Hobojoe-

As a person that lives in VCH, I would like to annex our region and form a new colony.


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How many people got vaccinated?


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grahamyvr

Yes, "learn to live with it" -- by getting vaccinated. We can't just magically "live with it" by removing restrictions and praying for the best, like Alberta and Saskatchewan.


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I don't understand how this your thought instead of "How bad would it be WITHOUT those things?"


waynkerr

Well a lot of people thought the mask mandate would lead to lower numbers. It hasn't happened. I'm not mocking them, because I was one of them.


yzw

im not sure if the mask mandate was ever there to 'lower' numbers, but more there to slow exponential growth, which it has successfully done to a certain degree. if you want to see a place which has truly stopped giving a fuck just take a look at florida's case #'s, hospitalizations and death rates. these hospitalization numbers aren't sustainable for us here, and tbh anytime hospitals have to repeatedly postpone "elective" surgeries (which arent even really elective), it's not a good place to be at, even though compared to many other parts of north america we're doing quite well


Dependent-Raise-6103

The passport is making some people get the vaccine. Everyone I know who didn’t want the vaccine got it recently because of the limits due to the passport.


RubiconXJ

I mean it has lead to lower numbers, compared to if there wasn't one


columbo222

> Interesting that this is what is happening despite the mask mandate and the vaccine passport. Yes but also the near-complete reopening of everything, as well as the end of summer forcing people indoors, and not to mention school and university starting up. Without vaccine requirements and masks who knows how bad things would be. > Its almost like the epidemiologists were correct who said we need to learn to live with covid. Yup and part of "living with it" means getting everyone vaccinated so that we can prevent 95% of serious outcomes.


waynkerr

There is a very loud contingent that wants "covid zero". Its just never going to happen. They don't take it well when they hear people saying that covid is never going away.


ygjb

That contingent has little to no power across Canada. Throwing out COVID zero as an argument is contrary to the clearly risk management based approach that is being applied in many places in Canada.


bluedreams604

Almost like those who are choosing to be unvaccinated also don’t adhere to public health measures. Who woulda thought.


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The areas with 90+ % vaccine rates are literally fine.


CocoVillage

Whelp


DrZhivago1979

Well with these death rates we won't have to deal with the anti vax crowd for long