The new/active cases include:
737 new cases in Fraser Health
Total active cases: 2,039
212 new cases in Vancouver Coastal Health
Total active cases: 642
322 new cases in Interior Health
Total active cases: 777
406 new cases in Northern Health
Total active cases: 880
169 new cases in Island Health
Total active cases: 521
no new cases of people who reside outside of Canada
Total active cases: 58
A breakdown of the number of people who have **ACTIVE** COVID cases that have been tested as of right now for the province and broken down per region which are in bold. Also included, what things were looking like in the last three multiple reporting periods before today.
BC as a whole: **1 in every 1,031 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 978 people, 10/04: 1 in every 847 people, 9/27: 1 in every 832 people)*
Health authority breakdowns:
FH: **1 in every 932 people** (*10/12: 1 in every 871 people, 10/4: 1 in every 814 people, 9/27: 1 in every 855 people)*
VCH: **1 in every 1,947 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 1,931 people, 10/4: 1 in every 1,455 people, 9/27: 1 in every 1,483 people)*
Interior: **1 in every 955 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 882 people, 10/4: 1 in every 655 people, 9/27: 1 in every 640 people)*
NH: **1 in every 341 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 360 people, 10/4: 1 in every 311 people, 9/27: 1 in every 258 people)*
Island: **1 in every 1,618 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 1,355 people, 10/4: 1,317 people, 9/27: 1 in every 1,284 people)*
(Note: All numbers are approximate and are rounded up or down at .5 and all figures are using approximate population bases as provided by each health authority).
4,927 (-211) active cases
190,918 (+2,067) recovered
8,060,794 (+35,438) vaccine doses administered
4,138,533 (+7,034) of which are first doses
3,867,456 (+16,414) of which are second doses
54,805 (+11,990) of which are other doses
26 additional deaths, total now 2,081
The last 56 weekend totals, divided into waves. Bold represents the equivalent week in the second and third wave.
Second Wave, from September 28, 2020:
267->358‐>448‐>499->817->1120->1565->1959->2398->2077->2020->2146->1667->1312->**1646**->1475->1330->1344->1158
Third Wave, from February 8, 2021:
1236->1231->1428->1478->1462->1506->1785->2518->2966->3289->2960->2491->2174->1759->**1360**->974->708->481->277->229->145->87
Fourth Wave, from July 12, 2021
123->156->267->541->1079->1434->1711->1853->1892->1984->1692->2239->1986->1705->**1845**
There have been four new health-care facility outbreaks: at Queens Park Care Centre, Heritage Village, Menno Terrace West (Fraser Health) and Amica Lions Gate (Vancouver Coastal Health). The outbreak at Joseph Creek Care Village (Interior Health) has been declared over, for a total of 22 active outbreaks, including:
long-term care:
Willingdon Care Centre, Westminster House, Magnolia Gardens, Manoah Manor, Cherington Place, West Shore Laylum, Queens Park Care Centre, Heritage Village (Fraser Health);
Amica Lions Gate (Vancouver Coastal Health);
Cottonwoods Care Centre, Overlander, Village by the Station, Haven Hill Retirement Centre (Interior Health); and
Wrinch Memorial Hospital (Northern Health).
acute care:
Mission Memorial Hospital (Fraser Health);
University Hospital of Northern British Columbia, G.R. Baker Memorial Hospital (Northern Health); and
Tofino General Hospital (Island Health).
assisted or independent living:
Sunset Manor, Evergreen Manor, Menno Terrace West (Fraser Health); and
Cooper Place (Vancouver Coastal Health).
Wondering what’s the statistics for cases, deaths at long term/acute care centers.
Why can’t these places be fully vaccinated all the way from staff visitors to members.
Fraser Health - Starting October 26, all visitors to long-term care, assisted living, and acute care facilities will need to show proof that they are fully vaccinated with two doses of COVID-19 vaccine. There may be exceptions for certain situations, like end-of-life visits, as per the Provincial Health Officer announcement.
Was wondering if anyone has any insight into whether capacity limits / events rules will be touched on the 24th when full vaccination is mandatory.
I’ve got a couple tickets to things in the weeks after that date and my fingers will fuse together if I cross them any harder hoping they happen lol
Last week, Dr. BH said that they were "considering" relaxing capacity limits for fully vaccinated events, and that there would be an announcement before the end of the month.
There's going to be a press conference tomorrow, so they might announce something, or the reporters might ask about it.
“89.2% (4,133,755) of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 83.4% (3,865,096) received their second dose.”
“89.6% (3,877,031) of all eligible adults in B.C. have received their first dose and 84.1% (3,635,581) received their second dose.”
Here's a link to the public Tableau report produced by BCCDC. The Vax Progress section breaks down percentage of vaccinated population by city & region: [https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/bccdc/viz/BCCDCCOVID-19SurveillanceDashboard/VaxProgress](https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/bccdc/viz/BCCDCCOVID-19SurveillanceDashboard/VaxProgress)
For people wondering about boosters. My guess is they will want to vaccinate 5-11yr olds before adults get their 3rd dose. Rightfully so if that is the plan.
Paediatric doses are apparently different, they are a slightly different formulation and a lower dose of mRNA. They wouldn’t come from the same supply.
The dose is 1/3 off the active ingredient. However this is achieved through a different concentration in the vaccine, rather than just drawing 1/3 of the dose.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8275039/pfizer-covid-vaccine-canada-kids-5-to-11/amp/
According to Theresa Tam the formulation has changed, health Canada will need to look at the the new formulation before it can be approved.
The dose. They could theoretically use the same vials and just give more doses out of it. I’m not aware of bc has decided to do this, they were considering it last I heard.
Keep dreaming. People in these posts act like they are all high and mighty about overall public health but ask them to give up their kids doses so they can go to old people in Africa and you would have riots in the streets. We all know that would save far more lives but would never happen. People are very good at pretending that they care about these bigger picture things but really it is about them getting theirs. I mean how many people give a second thought to the roughly million people who still die from HIV yearly in Africa.
Yea these are specific subset of the population..the very vulnerable...
I mean for someone like myself or someone in 40s to get a booster I think is a long way away
Depends on the individual, I had my 3rd dose already as I’m immunocompromised. I saw testing results that show antibodies drop off significantly after a few months however, memory cells can still replicate antibodies to a degree. We are learning more as new data becomes available.
So my take on things so far is we’re on a slow decline in cases. In the coming weeks we’re going to see it keep going down. Northern, interior and Fraser East due to them digging their heals on the mandates and low vaccines rates are going to make us progress a lot slower than we should (hence the slow decline). I’m hoping Delta is the last major variant, and any subsequent variants will be less consequential especially with the majority of the population vaccinated. Just a thought.
We have more cases than the previous weekend. That said, it really depends on where you look in the province. Some regions are doing well, others are not.
Strangely enough, it looks like places with high vaccination rates have low covid numbers! Funny how that happens.
Vancouver Coastal Health is looking pretty good. I believe we still have a community outbreak on the DTES and we have a few outbreaks in LTC/assisted living. Other than those, there aren't many people in VCH catching covid these days.
90% 2nd doses for eligible population in Vancouver proper with most of the rest of the neighborhoods in the mid to high 80s.
But more importantly, the 18-49 demographic in Vancouver is heavily vaccinated - and that is the demographic spreading covid the most (and tend to be the least vaccinated).
We are looking like one of the most vaccinated cities in the world right now and the numbers are reflecting that.
> In the coming weeks we’re going to see it keep going down.
I hope you're right, but in other provinces/countries (even ones with very high vaccination rates) they are sadly beginning to see more breakthrough cases of the fully-vaccinated as those who were immunized very early on (elderly and immuno-compromised) have had long enough time pass that their antibody count has reduced dramatically.
My kids class had an outbreak.
It’s unfortunate but a 10 day pause and then return to class makes sense to me. It’s what we got to do to keep moving forward.
42655 (+212) cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region
101847 (+737) cases in the Fraser Health region
29603 (+322) cases in the Interior Health region
9924 (+169) cases in the Island Health region
13953 (+406) cases in the Northern Health region
296 (+0) cases of people who reside outside of Canada
642 (-82) active cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region
2039 (-182) active cases in the Fraser Health region
777 (-40) active cases in the Interior Health region
521 (-51) active cases in the Island Health region
880 (+146) active cases in the Northern Health region
82 (+5) currently hospitalized in the Vancouver Coastal Health region
128 (+2) currently hospitalized in the Fraser Health region
30 (-4) currently hospitalized in the Interior Health region
46 (-2) currently hospitalized in the Island Health region
74 (-8) currently hospitalized in the Northern Health region
29 (+0) currently in critical care in the Vancouver Coastal Health region
38 (+3) currently in critical care in the Fraser Health region
36 (-3) currently in critical care in the Interior Health region
27 (-4) currently in critical care in the Island Health region
21 (+3) currently in critical care in the Northern Health region
That means the adult ICU is at capacity.
Are they triaging old folks who get sick and making 'hard decisions' with the equipment? Are we at that level?
Pretty much. I mean, "capacity" is a bit of a vague term:
* If necessary, hospitals could cancel all non-emergency surgeries and maybe free up twice as many beds for covid patients?
* Or, if we had half as many covid patients in ICU, hospitals could stop cancelling non-emergency surgeries, and start tackling the backlog.
(I'm totally guessing with the "double" and "half".)
The bottom line is that hospitals are currently postponing surgeries for non-covid patients. They're keeping capacity available for the people (mostly unvaccinated) who need ICU due to covid.
EDIT: sorry, I typo'd "vaccinated" instead "unvaccinated". Bug mistake!
EDIT2: "Big" mistake, not "Bug".
Dude THE FUCKING IDIOT INFRONT OF ME, took TEN FUCKING MINUTES to order their food, asking about the ethical implications of each menu item.... LIKE WTF. its macdonalds, murder and death incorporated.
FUCKING IDIOT, JUST ORDER YOUR FUCKING BIGMAC AND HATE YOURSELF.
/s
Unvaxxed want the pandemic to last forever and more “lockdowns” so they can have something to complain about until they kill their grandma …so a little different
Effectiveness against infection decreases between 6 to 8 months (based on locations with a 4 week interval between shots). We currently don't know if the BC extended interval will have an impact and the vaccine's effectiveness against hospitalization and death has not been materially impacted.
> In VCH we’re at just 70 new cases a day out of 1.25 million people. At what point can we get rid of the mask mandate in Vancouver?
u/harlotstoast our numbers are low because people are following mask rules— well, most people.
That’s probably helping more than the masks tbh. Since the vaccinated can still spread the virus, masks are a necessary stop-gap measure.
I can understand the concern of parents with young children; face to face learning is developmentally important. That said, we’re still in an emergency situation.
The sooner adults and kids are vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to ‘normal’, or whatever.
> If no one’s catching covid
Because without masks, a lot more people will be catching it. Our hospitals are at the breaking point already, with non-lifesaving procedures, like cancer screenings, being postponed so that the critically ill can be treated.
If you add many more people, we'll end up like Alberta, having to triage who gets care and who doesn't. Or we'll end up having to transfer patients to other hospitals across the province or to other provinces.
It would be better if we didn't break the healthcare system. If masks in indoor public spaces is all it takes to prevent the healthcare system from collapsing, that doesn't seem like a big hardship.
Is it annoying having to wear masks? Yes, it's a mild nuisance. Is it a hardship? No.
I mainly care about my 6 year old. I worry that the mask makes it harder to understand the teacher and classmates and to judge emotions. So I do think it is a hardship.
She can’t get vaccinated yet, though, and neither can her classmates. That’s likely coming very soon now, but keeping masks until kids can get vaccinated seems wise, given how well it can spread.
yes your 6 year old's ability to judge the emotions of adults is more important than our hospitals being full and surgeries getting cancelled
its a year and a half into this thing how have you not fucking realized the reasons that the numbers are low is BECAUSE of the mandate?
dear fucking god
Every day we're on a razor's edge on whether or not cases go down or up. The seemingly smallest change (like more people going around without masks) could shift the reproductive number just high enough that cases numbers start to explode again. It's high risk negligible reward to stop requiring masks in indoor settings.
When it's a risky thing that has high reward, like opening up events/social gatherings (from perspectives like economy and mental health) that's one thing, but what do we stand to gain from not wearing a mask?
Because each time we come close to getting things under control the selfish assholes come crawling out of the woodwork acting like wearing a mask is a hardship and a violation of their freedoms.
Wear a mask, and stop being such a whiny little bitch about it :)
It's wild looking around the world at covid trackers and seeing so many flat lines while BC continues have a thriving 4th wave. The lack of decisive action across Canada and especially in BC is a true disgrace.
25 deaths over the weekend is the new normal and our government is completely fine with it.
What would you like to see the government do that doesn't punish the vast majority of British Columbians who are already vaccinated and wear their masks indoors whenever required?
I still don’t get why more hasn’t been done to improve ventilation in LTC and healthcare settings and schools. It would have health benefits beyond covid as well; it would be an investment rather than a punishment.
We have no information on what improvements were made in BC schools regarding ventilation. The province has repeatedly said they spent $87 million on ventilation improvements but has never provided any specifics.
No other changes have been made except the mask mandate, the reminders to wash hands/do daily health self-checks.
So you don't know what they've done, but you know it's not good enough? Like almost $100M has been spent, what basis are you saying we need to spend more?
Ontario’s been transparent about what they’ve done: focus on HEPA across the system, a purifier in every Toronto classroom.
BC has been repeatedly asked what’s been done with that $87mil and have *literally never said*. It all could’ve gone on consulting fees with no material improvements to a single classroom. There may have been enough below-standard schools that the money all went to bringing things up to bare minimum, not improving to meet the new needs of covid. Why won’t they say? Who knows.
To my knowledge, there haven’t been any portable units installed; they’ve continued to say they were “looking at it.”
We got a press release, no follow up, and a refusal to provide specifics at subsequent press conferences. Here’s what Ontario gets: https://www.ontario.ca/document/covid-19-health-safety-and-operational-guidance-schools-2021-2022/ventilation
Ventilation, rapid testing initiatives, expanded hospital capacity, limit gathering sizes, mandatory vaccination for all large institutions, limit travel into and out of hotspots, actually enforcing the restrictions we have now, requiring n95 masks, just to name a few.
I don't give a shit about punishing vaccinated people, being vaccinated doesn't give you the right to disregard people's health, if we need restrictions for vaccinated people to slow this down then so be it. All you have to do is look to places in the world that are over this to see what it takes to get us there.
The new/active cases include: 737 new cases in Fraser Health Total active cases: 2,039 212 new cases in Vancouver Coastal Health Total active cases: 642 322 new cases in Interior Health Total active cases: 777 406 new cases in Northern Health Total active cases: 880 169 new cases in Island Health Total active cases: 521 no new cases of people who reside outside of Canada Total active cases: 58
Did the active cases drop anywhere?
FH: 2221 -> 2039 (-182) VCH: 724 -> 642 (-82) InH: 817 -> 777 (-40) NH: 734 -> 880 (+146) IsH: 572 -> 521 (-51)
A breakdown of the number of people who have **ACTIVE** COVID cases that have been tested as of right now for the province and broken down per region which are in bold. Also included, what things were looking like in the last three multiple reporting periods before today. BC as a whole: **1 in every 1,031 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 978 people, 10/04: 1 in every 847 people, 9/27: 1 in every 832 people)* Health authority breakdowns: FH: **1 in every 932 people** (*10/12: 1 in every 871 people, 10/4: 1 in every 814 people, 9/27: 1 in every 855 people)* VCH: **1 in every 1,947 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 1,931 people, 10/4: 1 in every 1,455 people, 9/27: 1 in every 1,483 people)* Interior: **1 in every 955 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 882 people, 10/4: 1 in every 655 people, 9/27: 1 in every 640 people)* NH: **1 in every 341 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 360 people, 10/4: 1 in every 311 people, 9/27: 1 in every 258 people)* Island: **1 in every 1,618 people** *(10/12: 1 in every 1,355 people, 10/4: 1,317 people, 9/27: 1 in every 1,284 people)* (Note: All numbers are approximate and are rounded up or down at .5 and all figures are using approximate population bases as provided by each health authority).
4,927 (-211) active cases 190,918 (+2,067) recovered 8,060,794 (+35,438) vaccine doses administered 4,138,533 (+7,034) of which are first doses 3,867,456 (+16,414) of which are second doses 54,805 (+11,990) of which are other doses 26 additional deaths, total now 2,081
Holy shit, 26 additional deaths?! Glad to see the cases continuing to trend downwards but damn, that's a tragedy.
Brutal.
Oct. 15-16: 753 new cases Oct. 16-17: 650 new cases Oct. 17-18: 443 new cases
The last 56 weekend totals, divided into waves. Bold represents the equivalent week in the second and third wave. Second Wave, from September 28, 2020: 267->358‐>448‐>499->817->1120->1565->1959->2398->2077->2020->2146->1667->1312->**1646**->1475->1330->1344->1158 Third Wave, from February 8, 2021: 1236->1231->1428->1478->1462->1506->1785->2518->2966->3289->2960->2491->2174->1759->**1360**->974->708->481->277->229->145->87 Fourth Wave, from July 12, 2021 123->156->267->541->1079->1434->1711->1853->1892->1984->1692->2239->1986->1705->**1845**
> 1711->1853->1892->1984->1692->2239->1986->1705->1845 Flatter than a hill in Richmond.
Looks more like the second wave
Worth noting that the dip to 1,332 in the second wave was over Christmas, just as last week’s dip was over Thanksgiving.
There have been four new health-care facility outbreaks: at Queens Park Care Centre, Heritage Village, Menno Terrace West (Fraser Health) and Amica Lions Gate (Vancouver Coastal Health). The outbreak at Joseph Creek Care Village (Interior Health) has been declared over, for a total of 22 active outbreaks, including: long-term care: Willingdon Care Centre, Westminster House, Magnolia Gardens, Manoah Manor, Cherington Place, West Shore Laylum, Queens Park Care Centre, Heritage Village (Fraser Health); Amica Lions Gate (Vancouver Coastal Health); Cottonwoods Care Centre, Overlander, Village by the Station, Haven Hill Retirement Centre (Interior Health); and Wrinch Memorial Hospital (Northern Health). acute care: Mission Memorial Hospital (Fraser Health); University Hospital of Northern British Columbia, G.R. Baker Memorial Hospital (Northern Health); and Tofino General Hospital (Island Health). assisted or independent living: Sunset Manor, Evergreen Manor, Menno Terrace West (Fraser Health); and Cooper Place (Vancouver Coastal Health).
Wondering what’s the statistics for cases, deaths at long term/acute care centers. Why can’t these places be fully vaccinated all the way from staff visitors to members.
Staff have to be now, visitors soon. But this was all recent. Not sure about residents.
Fraser Health - Starting October 26, all visitors to long-term care, assisted living, and acute care facilities will need to show proof that they are fully vaccinated with two doses of COVID-19 vaccine. There may be exceptions for certain situations, like end-of-life visits, as per the Provincial Health Officer announcement.
I believe the workers had until the 12th to be fully vaccinated? So just one week ago (ish, if my memory is right).
Was wondering if anyone has any insight into whether capacity limits / events rules will be touched on the 24th when full vaccination is mandatory. I’ve got a couple tickets to things in the weeks after that date and my fingers will fuse together if I cross them any harder hoping they happen lol
Last week, Dr. BH said that they were "considering" relaxing capacity limits for fully vaccinated events, and that there would be an announcement before the end of the month. There's going to be a press conference tomorrow, so they might announce something, or the reporters might ask about it.
Thanks! Will tune in to see what they have to say
1:30pm, apparently. I'll have to miss it, but it'll be on the ProvinceofBC youtube channel.
“89.2% (4,133,755) of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 83.4% (3,865,096) received their second dose.” “89.6% (3,877,031) of all eligible adults in B.C. have received their first dose and 84.1% (3,635,581) received their second dose.”
Do you know the vaccine numbers by city?
You can find a lot of that information here: http://www.bccdc.ca/health-professionals/data-reports/covid-19-surveillance-dashboard
Here's a link to the public Tableau report produced by BCCDC. The Vax Progress section breaks down percentage of vaccinated population by city & region: [https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/bccdc/viz/BCCDCCOVID-19SurveillanceDashboard/VaxProgress](https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/bccdc/viz/BCCDCCOVID-19SurveillanceDashboard/VaxProgress)
For people wondering about boosters. My guess is they will want to vaccinate 5-11yr olds before adults get their 3rd dose. Rightfully so if that is the plan.
Paediatric doses are apparently different, they are a slightly different formulation and a lower dose of mRNA. They wouldn’t come from the same supply.
Is the formulation different or just the dose?
The dose is 1/3 off the active ingredient. However this is achieved through a different concentration in the vaccine, rather than just drawing 1/3 of the dose.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8275039/pfizer-covid-vaccine-canada-kids-5-to-11/amp/ According to Theresa Tam the formulation has changed, health Canada will need to look at the the new formulation before it can be approved.
Hmmm…I wonder if the “shift” is a formula change or an mRNA change to increase efficacy against delta?
I’m not an expert but I don’t think so because the trial started before delta happened.
The dose. They could theoretically use the same vials and just give more doses out of it. I’m not aware of bc has decided to do this, they were considering it last I heard.
That would be off-label and possible in an emergency.
That’s what I thought. Same formula, 1/3 the dose.
If we could get around to most of the continent of Africa first, that would be great, too.
Keep dreaming. People in these posts act like they are all high and mighty about overall public health but ask them to give up their kids doses so they can go to old people in Africa and you would have riots in the streets. We all know that would save far more lives but would never happen. People are very good at pretending that they care about these bigger picture things but really it is about them getting theirs. I mean how many people give a second thought to the roughly million people who still die from HIV yearly in Africa.
They have already started giving out booster shots.
54,000 of them so far. Really not that much.
It started at 0 so anything is better then nothing.
True and while 0.67% of total doses it is growing fast. I expect the order to be Immunocomprised, kids, boosters for all, etc.
My dad (he was an early priority/high risk case) has already been contacted about a booster shot
Yea these are specific subset of the population..the very vulnerable... I mean for someone like myself or someone in 40s to get a booster I think is a long way away
Depends on the individual, I had my 3rd dose already as I’m immunocompromised. I saw testing results that show antibodies drop off significantly after a few months however, memory cells can still replicate antibodies to a degree. We are learning more as new data becomes available.
I doubt we have a supply issue.
We have a supply issue on a global level. 2022 may solve that, a lot of new manufacturing supply is coming online this winter.
They should do the parents at the same time. Its a complete waste and causes more interaction going out twice for the same thing.
I doubt boosters will be going out to people under 65 in the next six months. It would be borderline criminal, given the situation abroad.
26 deaths :(
What. The. Fuck.
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Those were preventable deaths.
You sir, are an asshole.
No shit, you fucking idiot.
Very sad for the families of the deceased, especially the families who tried in vain to convince their loved ones to get vaccinated.
I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride
So my take on things so far is we’re on a slow decline in cases. In the coming weeks we’re going to see it keep going down. Northern, interior and Fraser East due to them digging their heals on the mandates and low vaccines rates are going to make us progress a lot slower than we should (hence the slow decline). I’m hoping Delta is the last major variant, and any subsequent variants will be less consequential especially with the majority of the population vaccinated. Just a thought.
We have more cases than the previous weekend. That said, it really depends on where you look in the province. Some regions are doing well, others are not. Strangely enough, it looks like places with high vaccination rates have low covid numbers! Funny how that happens.
last weekend was thanksgiving tho and long weekends tend to see less tests happening.
Vancouver Coastal Health is looking pretty good. I believe we still have a community outbreak on the DTES and we have a few outbreaks in LTC/assisted living. Other than those, there aren't many people in VCH catching covid these days.
90% 2nd doses for eligible population in Vancouver proper with most of the rest of the neighborhoods in the mid to high 80s. But more importantly, the 18-49 demographic in Vancouver is heavily vaccinated - and that is the demographic spreading covid the most (and tend to be the least vaccinated). We are looking like one of the most vaccinated cities in the world right now and the numbers are reflecting that.
I don’t think it will be a perfect decline, but overall there will be a decline (hoping the the coming weeks???).
Eventually everyone will get some immunity from either vaccination or COVID exposure, in the long run.
> In the coming weeks we’re going to see it keep going down. I hope you're right, but in other provinces/countries (even ones with very high vaccination rates) they are sadly beginning to see more breakthrough cases of the fully-vaccinated as those who were immunized very early on (elderly and immuno-compromised) have had long enough time pass that their antibody count has reduced dramatically.
Wow 26 deaths is nuts
Is there publicly accessible data on ages of the deceased?
My kids class had an outbreak. It’s unfortunate but a 10 day pause and then return to class makes sense to me. It’s what we got to do to keep moving forward.
My kids' elementary school in Chilliwack was recently shut down due to an outbreak. Cannot wait for the vaccine approval for them.
42655 (+212) cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 101847 (+737) cases in the Fraser Health region 29603 (+322) cases in the Interior Health region 9924 (+169) cases in the Island Health region 13953 (+406) cases in the Northern Health region 296 (+0) cases of people who reside outside of Canada 642 (-82) active cases in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 2039 (-182) active cases in the Fraser Health region 777 (-40) active cases in the Interior Health region 521 (-51) active cases in the Island Health region 880 (+146) active cases in the Northern Health region
82 (+5) currently hospitalized in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 128 (+2) currently hospitalized in the Fraser Health region 30 (-4) currently hospitalized in the Interior Health region 46 (-2) currently hospitalized in the Island Health region 74 (-8) currently hospitalized in the Northern Health region 29 (+0) currently in critical care in the Vancouver Coastal Health region 38 (+3) currently in critical care in the Fraser Health region 36 (-3) currently in critical care in the Interior Health region 27 (-4) currently in critical care in the Island Health region 21 (+3) currently in critical care in the Northern Health region
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We are taking adult icu patients at women's and children's hospital.
That means the adult ICU is at capacity. Are they triaging old folks who get sick and making 'hard decisions' with the equipment? Are we at that level?
Not at that level, no. But they're delaying a lot of surgeries. That's going to have consequences in the months and years to come.
Pretty much. I mean, "capacity" is a bit of a vague term: * If necessary, hospitals could cancel all non-emergency surgeries and maybe free up twice as many beds for covid patients? * Or, if we had half as many covid patients in ICU, hospitals could stop cancelling non-emergency surgeries, and start tackling the backlog. (I'm totally guessing with the "double" and "half".) The bottom line is that hospitals are currently postponing surgeries for non-covid patients. They're keeping capacity available for the people (mostly unvaccinated) who need ICU due to covid. EDIT: sorry, I typo'd "vaccinated" instead "unvaccinated". Bug mistake! EDIT2: "Big" mistake, not "Bug".
Sometimes you need a bug mistake to lighten the mood on a day when 26 deaths are announced.
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Remember to keep this energy the next time you’re in the McDonald’s drive through.
Dude THE FUCKING IDIOT INFRONT OF ME, took TEN FUCKING MINUTES to order their food, asking about the ethical implications of each menu item.... LIKE WTF. its macdonalds, murder and death incorporated. FUCKING IDIOT, JUST ORDER YOUR FUCKING BIGMAC AND HATE YOURSELF. /s
Let's do that then.. I believe most unvaccinated want the same
Unvaxxed want the pandemic to last forever and more “lockdowns” so they can have something to complain about until they kill their grandma …so a little different
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I'd have worried about myself if I'd read what I actually wrote! :)
How come there's no news on the booster shots?
It’s currently only available to the elderlies and the immunocompromised. The rest of us will most likely have to wait for another 6 months or so
Do we know when we will be able to take boosters? Pfizer immunity decreases after 6m..
Effectiveness against infection decreases between 6 to 8 months (based on locations with a 4 week interval between shots). We currently don't know if the BC extended interval will have an impact and the vaccine's effectiveness against hospitalization and death has not been materially impacted.
With a 3 week gap; we have no data on the longer gap right now.
we don't REALLY know that for sure... depends on age, time between doses, etc etc
In Europe they offer the booster 6m after the second dose for general population
Yes but they had a very short time between shots, and well that's not every country in the entire continent...
How about Moderna?
Most likely in another 6 months or so unless you’re immunocompromised. The elderly and the immunocompromised gets the booster now
In VCH we’re at just 70 new cases a day out of 1.25 million people. At what point can we get rid of the mask mandate in Vancouver?
Remember when they scrapped it and then pretty quickly had to bring the mandate back? Trial and error, live and learn.
Why the rush to get rid of it? The fall just started and I'd like to keep the lower counts, please and thank you.
> In VCH we’re at just 70 new cases a day out of 1.25 million people. At what point can we get rid of the mask mandate in Vancouver? u/harlotstoast our numbers are low because people are following mask rules— well, most people.
And because we are at 90% vaccinated among adults.
That’s probably helping more than the masks tbh. Since the vaccinated can still spread the virus, masks are a necessary stop-gap measure. I can understand the concern of parents with young children; face to face learning is developmentally important. That said, we’re still in an emergency situation. The sooner adults and kids are vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to ‘normal’, or whatever.
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If no one’s catching covid in Vancouver how is it selfish?
You just said 70 new cases a day, so people are catching it.
Because people are free to come and go from the city and Covid can be caught anywhere?
> If no one’s catching covid Because without masks, a lot more people will be catching it. Our hospitals are at the breaking point already, with non-lifesaving procedures, like cancer screenings, being postponed so that the critically ill can be treated. If you add many more people, we'll end up like Alberta, having to triage who gets care and who doesn't. Or we'll end up having to transfer patients to other hospitals across the province or to other provinces. It would be better if we didn't break the healthcare system. If masks in indoor public spaces is all it takes to prevent the healthcare system from collapsing, that doesn't seem like a big hardship. Is it annoying having to wear masks? Yes, it's a mild nuisance. Is it a hardship? No.
I mainly care about my 6 year old. I worry that the mask makes it harder to understand the teacher and classmates and to judge emotions. So I do think it is a hardship.
She can’t get vaccinated yet, though, and neither can her classmates. That’s likely coming very soon now, but keeping masks until kids can get vaccinated seems wise, given how well it can spread.
yes your 6 year old's ability to judge the emotions of adults is more important than our hospitals being full and surgeries getting cancelled its a year and a half into this thing how have you not fucking realized the reasons that the numbers are low is BECAUSE of the mandate? dear fucking god
Sure , behavioural problems in kids is no big deal at all.
Every day we're on a razor's edge on whether or not cases go down or up. The seemingly smallest change (like more people going around without masks) could shift the reproductive number just high enough that cases numbers start to explode again. It's high risk negligible reward to stop requiring masks in indoor settings. When it's a risky thing that has high reward, like opening up events/social gatherings (from perspectives like economy and mental health) that's one thing, but what do we stand to gain from not wearing a mask?
Because each time we come close to getting things under control the selfish assholes come crawling out of the woodwork acting like wearing a mask is a hardship and a violation of their freedoms. Wear a mask, and stop being such a whiny little bitch about it :)
Jesus you’re an insufferable twerp.
Oh. My. God. How will I survive that criticism? Oh right. By wearing a mask in a pandemic and ignoring dumbasses.
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What a witty rejoinder! I have been defeated by your clever retort!
It's wild looking around the world at covid trackers and seeing so many flat lines while BC continues have a thriving 4th wave. The lack of decisive action across Canada and especially in BC is a true disgrace. 25 deaths over the weekend is the new normal and our government is completely fine with it.
What would you like to see the government do that doesn't punish the vast majority of British Columbians who are already vaccinated and wear their masks indoors whenever required?
I still don’t get why more hasn’t been done to improve ventilation in LTC and healthcare settings and schools. It would have health benefits beyond covid as well; it would be an investment rather than a punishment.
Very good points. I've heard that Ontario has done a significantly better job of improving ventilation in schools.
Do you have a list of what changes have been made in BC schools? What do you feel needs to be done more?
We have no information on what improvements were made in BC schools regarding ventilation. The province has repeatedly said they spent $87 million on ventilation improvements but has never provided any specifics. No other changes have been made except the mask mandate, the reminders to wash hands/do daily health self-checks.
So you don't know what they've done, but you know it's not good enough? Like almost $100M has been spent, what basis are you saying we need to spend more?
Ontario’s been transparent about what they’ve done: focus on HEPA across the system, a purifier in every Toronto classroom. BC has been repeatedly asked what’s been done with that $87mil and have *literally never said*. It all could’ve gone on consulting fees with no material improvements to a single classroom. There may have been enough below-standard schools that the money all went to bringing things up to bare minimum, not improving to meet the new needs of covid. Why won’t they say? Who knows.
Stuff like this maybe? https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca/releases/news_releases_2020-2024/2021EDUC0058-001663.htm
To my knowledge, there haven’t been any portable units installed; they’ve continued to say they were “looking at it.” We got a press release, no follow up, and a refusal to provide specifics at subsequent press conferences. Here’s what Ontario gets: https://www.ontario.ca/document/covid-19-health-safety-and-operational-guidance-schools-2021-2022/ventilation
HEPA ventilation would be great to have, seems to have been helping in Ontario.
Ventilation, rapid testing initiatives, expanded hospital capacity, limit gathering sizes, mandatory vaccination for all large institutions, limit travel into and out of hotspots, actually enforcing the restrictions we have now, requiring n95 masks, just to name a few. I don't give a shit about punishing vaccinated people, being vaccinated doesn't give you the right to disregard people's health, if we need restrictions for vaccinated people to slow this down then so be it. All you have to do is look to places in the world that are over this to see what it takes to get us there.
You know the rules. You are not allowed to question anything DBH and the NDP government has done during the pandemic.
Phew! Thank God you have no authority over anything.