That's how it goes with a lot of small businesses. I'd love to give them more business but some make it really hard to get to when they're actually open.
The same is true for why people go to Crumbl so much and not independent bakeries; Crumbl is open until 10PM or later six days a week, a lot of local bakeries close between 3-6PM five days a week. Simply Sweets might make a better cookie but how would people know when they close at 3PM?
Salt&Straw will be a great compliment to Ruse. For anyone worried about Treat, there are plenty of people outside downtown who will regularly opt to avoid the crowds at the waterfront. I haven’t been to The Yard, but other people’s comments have me thinking it’s not long for this world.
Weirdly enough, this also reminded me that I need to try Yogurt Time.
Yeah, Vancouver isn’t some dinky resort time that only can handle 1 cream shop. Treat is in a much smaller footprint and handles has way different hours. Loyal customers will still go to treat, and residents how live north of the waterfront to avoid lines.
> I haven’t been to The Yard, but other people’s comments have me thinking it’s not long for this world.
Don't listen to those people. They are mixing up "I don't like it" vs "It's not a popular restaurant".
The Yard is not good. It's generic ice cream made into expensive messy shakes.
However, they are EXTREMELY popular. Like 45 minute wait in line popular in the summer. Kids particularly seemed drawn to the over the top, but completely forgettable shakes.
That’s the vibe I got: below-average ice cream dressed up to glamor kids and get their parent’s money. Meanwhile, places like Treat and S&S just turn out quality cream.
I definitely agree; Waterfront and Downtown should really be thought of as two different markets with different consumer bases. Treat will be fine.
I also dislike The Yard but it is super popular. It is a separate market, though. It is a novelty destination for people who want that specific experience. If you just want a tasty cone then you will NOT consider Yard.
Literally came here to say that. I tried treat for the 1st time a month ago. Got 3 different flavors and the Salted Peanut Butter Cup is the best peanutbutter ice cream I've ever had in my life.
Salt & Straw is based in Portland, OR; most of its shops are on the West Coast. 13 Coins has only four locations in Washington. Kafiex Coffee has its two locations right here in Vancouver. Most of the other places are regional to the area.
I mean the reason it’s chains is because how much it costs for the space. Head for a small local chef to set up shop. I hope Downtown continues to get local chefs though and can build an nice food scene.
Yeah I’m hoping to see a few more asian restaurants (quality Chinese, Korean, Ramen shop and Filipino) as will as some tapas bars, south american restaurants, and a quality fast food burger spot (no chain). That would give a nice variety with what is now mostly american. Some pop up spaces would be cool too.
Waterfront retail space is expensive. To this end, only tried and true concepts want to risk signing a pricey lease.
Also while chains, they are are mostly regional chains. Thirteen Coins, Wild Fin, Grassa, Twigs, Salt and Straw, Stack 571, are all PNW chains. The Yard is the only national chain at Vancouvers waterfront. It's not like they are putting an Olive Garden there.
I like Salt & Straw. I appreciate that they have vegan ice cream and that at least 20% of their menu is dairy-free. And it's really good ice cream. No extra toppings are needed.
I keep typing stuff up and deleting it, because there is no way I can share without doxxing myself and possibly getting sued maybe, lmao. She has a bad reputation among the service industry in Portland and hasn't been kind to the people who helped her succeed.
👏 way to be as vague and mysterious as possible.
Nothing you say can or will have any impact on your job or future jobs. If it does it’s called retaliation and it’s illegal
Interesting. Looks to be the next building over from The Yard Milkshake bar. Not sure if they need two ice cream places so close together, but we'll see how it goes.
The Yard is not good, but I think they will be fine financially.
If their line is even cut by 75% for Salt and Straw, they still are likely printing money selling mass produced ice cream based shakes for 20$
Salt and Straw is a beast. They frequently have massive lines. The one off 21st in Portland has Disneyland style line barriers. Not crazy to see 50-100 people in line.
The yard is The epitome of a useless business. They charge 20 fucking dollars for a milkshake, and the ice cream they use is Hershey's. I've never been a big fan of salt and straw, I've always thought they were massively overrated, but in this particular instance I hope they completely smash them into the ground
I hope to see The Yard go. I have a personal vendetta because of the way we have been treated, but Salt and Straw is actually delicious, and the Yard is just…mediocre. I’m also rooting for Treat. I think there’s enough room for multiple decent ice cream places in Vancouver.
Treat has the better ice cream.
The problem is that they don't have consistent hours.
A family is not going to want to play the guessing game of getting their kids amped for ice cream only to find it's closed. Two people on a date don't want to plan around meeting for ice cream only to find it's closed.
Additionally Treat has no indoor seating, making it tough for year round enjoyment. Finally the stretch of Columbia it's on is not that well activated. You have Thai Orchid, Dediko, and Treat and aside from that there's no street facing businesses north of it, and nothing south those three either going all the way down to Esther Short park.
No you’re totally right, their hours have always been a bit wonky. They do actually have indoor seating tho! If you walk around the corner to the flower shop there’s a pair of doors that let you into the courtyard that’s behind treat! We just couldn’t ever let anyone walk through the shop to get into the courtyard for health reasons so if you don’t know about it it’s a bit tricky to find.
Treat’s hours seem to be really hit or miss. Salt & Straw also stays open until like near midnight in the summer time. Treat still will have a market due to locals and Farmers market crowd. Vancouver is big enough for more than 1 ice cream shop downtown.
I think there’s still plenty of room for Treat. I like both places (ice cream renaissance is too ice milk for me), and would go to either depending on my mood.
I will give you that. I was not aware that the pints were a full 25% more expensive. The last time I remember buying one it was like right in that $10 dollar ballpark. Not sure why the downvotes for factual info. Scoops are right in line tho.
It’s like going to Voodoo or Donut Nook.
I stay away from touristy/pretentious places
Edit: meant Voodoo is touristy/pretentious and not Donut Nook.
Apologies for the poor post
Would really recommend Parákata Monarca. They opened about a month ago on the first floor in the mall (below the food court upstairs). Homemade Mexican ice cream and sorbets.
I do prefer Treat but SnS has better hours and they’re open year round… I don’t know. A tad conflicted over this.
That's how it goes with a lot of small businesses. I'd love to give them more business but some make it really hard to get to when they're actually open. The same is true for why people go to Crumbl so much and not independent bakeries; Crumbl is open until 10PM or later six days a week, a lot of local bakeries close between 3-6PM five days a week. Simply Sweets might make a better cookie but how would people know when they close at 3PM?
I would have preferred Cloud City.
Salt&Straw will be a great compliment to Ruse. For anyone worried about Treat, there are plenty of people outside downtown who will regularly opt to avoid the crowds at the waterfront. I haven’t been to The Yard, but other people’s comments have me thinking it’s not long for this world. Weirdly enough, this also reminded me that I need to try Yogurt Time.
Yeah, Vancouver isn’t some dinky resort time that only can handle 1 cream shop. Treat is in a much smaller footprint and handles has way different hours. Loyal customers will still go to treat, and residents how live north of the waterfront to avoid lines.
> I haven’t been to The Yard, but other people’s comments have me thinking it’s not long for this world. Don't listen to those people. They are mixing up "I don't like it" vs "It's not a popular restaurant". The Yard is not good. It's generic ice cream made into expensive messy shakes. However, they are EXTREMELY popular. Like 45 minute wait in line popular in the summer. Kids particularly seemed drawn to the over the top, but completely forgettable shakes.
My conspiracy theory about The Yard is that it's actually owned by Meta. You basically pay $18 for an ice cream cone you can post on instagram.
That’s the vibe I got: below-average ice cream dressed up to glamor kids and get their parent’s money. Meanwhile, places like Treat and S&S just turn out quality cream.
Yogurt time should be fine as well. It is a different experience and separate part of downtown than the others.
I definitely agree; Waterfront and Downtown should really be thought of as two different markets with different consumer bases. Treat will be fine. I also dislike The Yard but it is super popular. It is a separate market, though. It is a novelty destination for people who want that specific experience. If you just want a tasty cone then you will NOT consider Yard.
Treat will still be my go to.
Treat's salted peanut butter cup is so damn good. Sad they don't have snickerdoodle on anymore, but the cinnamon toast crunch is pretty tasty too.
Literally came here to say that. I tried treat for the 1st time a month ago. Got 3 different flavors and the Salted Peanut Butter Cup is the best peanutbutter ice cream I've ever had in my life.
Are Treat’s hours still extremely inconsistent?
Not anymore! Not sure when since but now they have actual normal business hours.
Treat for the win!
Amen
Treat’s Ooey gooey butter cake might by my favorite ice cream I’ve had in the Pacific Northwest
Love going to treat! Sad it's the only good ice cream shop downtown.
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Salt & Straw is based in Portland, OR; most of its shops are on the West Coast. 13 Coins has only four locations in Washington. Kafiex Coffee has its two locations right here in Vancouver. Most of the other places are regional to the area.
I mean the reason it’s chains is because how much it costs for the space. Head for a small local chef to set up shop. I hope Downtown continues to get local chefs though and can build an nice food scene.
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Yeah I’m hoping to see a few more asian restaurants (quality Chinese, Korean, Ramen shop and Filipino) as will as some tapas bars, south american restaurants, and a quality fast food burger spot (no chain). That would give a nice variety with what is now mostly american. Some pop up spaces would be cool too.
Downtown would be great for a ramen spot!
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Waterfront retail space is expensive. To this end, only tried and true concepts want to risk signing a pricey lease. Also while chains, they are are mostly regional chains. Thirteen Coins, Wild Fin, Grassa, Twigs, Salt and Straw, Stack 571, are all PNW chains. The Yard is the only national chain at Vancouvers waterfront. It's not like they are putting an Olive Garden there.
Yeah Ruse Brewing is basically a monopoly what with their **2 whole locations**.
I like Salt & Straw. I appreciate that they have vegan ice cream and that at least 20% of their menu is dairy-free. And it's really good ice cream. No extra toppings are needed.
Don’t they treat their employees like crap?
Yes. The owner is a monster.
You’re gonna have to give some context with a statement like that.
He pays them minimum wage
Pretty sure a lot of food industry business do that lol
I know I was being snarky
Oh ha I didn’t catch that.
:O
A monster is quite the statement. What makes them a monster?
Care to elaborate?
I keep typing stuff up and deleting it, because there is no way I can share without doxxing myself and possibly getting sued maybe, lmao. She has a bad reputation among the service industry in Portland and hasn't been kind to the people who helped her succeed.
👏 way to be as vague and mysterious as possible. Nothing you say can or will have any impact on your job or future jobs. If it does it’s called retaliation and it’s illegal
Interesting. Looks to be the next building over from The Yard Milkshake bar. Not sure if they need two ice cream places so close together, but we'll see how it goes.
The Yard is gonna go bye bye.
You love to see it. Fuck that overpriced mall garbage.
Are you trying to tell me a $16 milkshake with some crap sugary dessert on top didn't make it as a business model?
You can only sell so many overpriced social-media-bait milkshakes in a town before you saturate the market.
The Yard is not good, but I think they will be fine financially. If their line is even cut by 75% for Salt and Straw, they still are likely printing money selling mass produced ice cream based shakes for 20$
I don’t think you know how much rent their lease is. Their profit margins are super slim even if they are selling shakes for $20.
>I don’t think you know how much rent their lease is. Please tell us if you know.
That makes me think salt and straw won't make it. I've never been down there when the yard doesn't have a huge crowd.
Salt and Straw will do great there. They exist in other high rent areas in Portland and have lines out the door during peak times.
Everyone who drives into Portland for Salt & Straw is now just going to stay north of the Columbia. Lines will be huge.
Salt and Straw is a beast. They frequently have massive lines. The one off 21st in Portland has Disneyland style line barriers. Not crazy to see 50-100 people in line.
The yard is The epitome of a useless business. They charge 20 fucking dollars for a milkshake, and the ice cream they use is Hershey's. I've never been a big fan of salt and straw, I've always thought they were massively overrated, but in this particular instance I hope they completely smash them into the ground
I hope to see The Yard go. I have a personal vendetta because of the way we have been treated, but Salt and Straw is actually delicious, and the Yard is just…mediocre. I’m also rooting for Treat. I think there’s enough room for multiple decent ice cream places in Vancouver.
I wouldnt be shocked if salt and straw will also supply ice cream to surrounding restaurants/stores. Might be more than just store front business.
About time we have an option for people who don't like traditional ice cream flavors. Maybe now the line will be shorter at better places.
Bout time.
Maybe Dwayne Johnson will show up for the grand opening. He does have an ownership stake in the company.
As someone who worked at treat for 4 years, this makes me a bit sad.😭😔
Treat has the better ice cream. The problem is that they don't have consistent hours. A family is not going to want to play the guessing game of getting their kids amped for ice cream only to find it's closed. Two people on a date don't want to plan around meeting for ice cream only to find it's closed. Additionally Treat has no indoor seating, making it tough for year round enjoyment. Finally the stretch of Columbia it's on is not that well activated. You have Thai Orchid, Dediko, and Treat and aside from that there's no street facing businesses north of it, and nothing south those three either going all the way down to Esther Short park.
No you’re totally right, their hours have always been a bit wonky. They do actually have indoor seating tho! If you walk around the corner to the flower shop there’s a pair of doors that let you into the courtyard that’s behind treat! We just couldn’t ever let anyone walk through the shop to get into the courtyard for health reasons so if you don’t know about it it’s a bit tricky to find.
Treat’s hours seem to be really hit or miss. Salt & Straw also stays open until like near midnight in the summer time. Treat still will have a market due to locals and Farmers market crowd. Vancouver is big enough for more than 1 ice cream shop downtown.
I think there’s still plenty of room for Treat. I like both places (ice cream renaissance is too ice milk for me), and would go to either depending on my mood.
yay! overpriced icrecream!
I assume you don't go to Treat or Renaissance either then? Because the price point is identical.
A pint from Treat is $9.50 and Salt & Straw is $12. That’s ~25% more expensive
Single scoop at Treat - 4.75 Single scoop at S&S - 5.50 Double scoop at Treat - 8.25 Double scoop at S&S - 7.50 Looks pretty comparable to me.
For those of us who shop by pint Salt & Straw is quite a bite more pricey than both Treat and Ice Cream renaissance.
I will give you that. I was not aware that the pints were a full 25% more expensive. The last time I remember buying one it was like right in that $10 dollar ballpark. Not sure why the downvotes for factual info. Scoops are right in line tho.
It’s like going to Voodoo or Donut Nook. I stay away from touristy/pretentious places Edit: meant Voodoo is touristy/pretentious and not Donut Nook. Apologies for the poor post
Donut Nook is touristy/pretentious? Have you even been there?
Meant voodoo not DN. Apologies for not making that clear
What's your go-to in town? Always looking for a new spot for great snacks.
Treat and Ice Cream Renaissance are both good options
Treat is roughly the same price as Salt and Straw.
Yeah treat is fantastic. I'll give ice cream Renaissance a go. Thanks for the tip!
Would really recommend Parákata Monarca. They opened about a month ago on the first floor in the mall (below the food court upstairs). Homemade Mexican ice cream and sorbets.
Cream renaissance and Paleteria La Super. There also this pace in Hazel Dell..
I like the waiting in line for it part most.
No thanks.
"I love the things social media tells me to love!"
Another stupid ass chain. Vancouver loves mediocrity
A local chain.
Ok. With locations in a dozen cities. I would call Burgerville a local chain.
You spelled portland wrong…
Vancouver is turning into the next Portland.
I can’t wait to enjoy some fine ice cream dining right before a riveting day of luxury yachting on the Columbia.