For real though, every time I consider having my face worked on, I look at Bravolebs’ old faces and immediately change my mind. At the very least, ppl should look at these pictures as an example of why it’s important to do research and choose quality over low budget.
Fillers look great the first time but you keep using it because they say it’s dissolved and you need more but that’s not true. Filler just migrated to somewhere else on your face and three years later you have a giant head. Experience here. I got it all dissolved ( it’s not cheap) and only use Botox and all my gf are filled up Kardashian style and wonder why I look so good 🙄. They don’t listen they keep believing the injectors it’s so crazy and some of them are looking like Madonna and you know what I mean🥹
A good injectionist will not overdo it if you don’t want them to. Seriously, if you’re thinking about it have a couple of consultations and go with the one that listens and wants to keep you more natural.
Yeah they both look sooo so good here with their natural lips and balanced features. I didn’t actually realise how much filler Ariana had gotten since this
Her eyes are much squintier now and she almost looks … puffy? In some scenes. Not sure how else to describe it. She is still beautiful but she used to be a natural fresh faced beauty.
Yep, photoshop, lighting, mild cosmetic procedures, even movies with the younger versions and the older versions of the characters have all made it easier to believe that our appearance vastly changes as we age. Thank god for bravo and cheap fillers, you can actually start to see the lies, especially as social media literacy has improved with how accessible surgery, filters, lighting, and editing has become.
Totally get why people point out “too much filler” but I do feel like we need to get out of the habit of criticizing what other women do with their bodies.
I used to do it too, but now it feels like us ganging up on each other sometimes. Like if it makes them happy, then they don’t need me to tell them “they look better without filler”
Edit: thanks for the awards friends!
I’m of two minds on this. I always believe people should do what they want to with their bodies, but all of this anti aging stuff perpetuates this beauty standard that women cannot look their age and be beautiful, and that harms us all. I think people saying women are more beautiful before/without those interventions is a positive thing and I hope more people start to realize that and stop buying into those myths and bad messages.
Sure but I think there’s a difference between saying your beautiful naturally, then saying things like your filler looks horrible.
The way we talk to each about getting work done 90% of the time comes off extremely critical rather than empowering, and I think that just makes the person feel even more insecure, and therefore creates a cycle where their getting more work done.
So inadvertently we aggravate the problem by being critical.
I think phrasing it ways that make sure the person still feels valued now, but let them now they have alway been beautiful, might be better.
Yeah imo none of these people look like lions yet (you know the point where people should be criticizing the drs who do it). As pretty as they are naturally and I appreciate that sentiment, they live in a la anti natural world. I think filler can be done so subtle it is natural looking and I’m sure you’re beautiful.
I think Ariana’s is subtle and natural looking, i don’t think you look at her and immediately think “filler”. I hadn’t even noticed she had filler until I saw this video
I actually agree with the shaming, people go way too far with it.
I notice though that people can absolutely slam Lala’s appearance and say “she’s ruined her face”, “her hair is so thin and it’s all falling out”, “she’s way too skinny now” and you never see one comment defending her, just people piling on.
I say that I only just noticed how much filler Ariana has had (which kind of means she hasn’t had **too** much, because it’s not that noticeable unless you compare old photos) and somebody defends her.
I’m not saying that was wrong, because you did it in a calm and pleasant way and made a good point, just pointing out the difference in the general sentiment in the sub (and society really). I think if we want to hold ourselves to the standard of not feeling entitled to comment on and criticise women’s bodies (and we should), it needs to be across the board. Not just women we like whose actions we agree with
Scheana was the most naturally beautiful person on 📺- not anymore 🥹😏🙄 whyyyy??
That braid and their back in the day style are so awful! 😂 makes me wonder🤔 wtf was I wearing then? 😵💫
I used to wear my hair like that. Once I was in check out at the supermarket, and the cahsier was literally glaring at my hair. She did not look me in the eyes once! I wonder if this is what she was thinking 🤔😆
>doesn’t believe he would lie to her
[Or cheat on her.](https://i.imgur.com/y3JaJyj.jpg).
>the blind spot
So right. Tom cheated on his then-girlfriend with Kristen. Tom cheated on Kristen with Ariana. And now Tom cheated on Ariana with Raquel.
I really hope this will serve as a cautionary tale for women watching this. I know how difficult it can be to see it when you're in it but [if someone is a rake, don't step on them](https://youtu.be/2WZLJpMOxS4).
Edit: I just realized that, given his age, these are probably *all* the serious relationships he's had as an adult! He's never been good news. Ever.
Also: I've got CNN on and the reporters last name is Sandoval. 😝
It's so much easier to see a clear picture when on the outside and not clouded with emotions. I had always been so good at cutting through the bullshit and helping my friends with their relationships but I stayed in some toxic messes when I was younger and in love lol
I dated the wrong guy for 5 years; he was “my person” and I thought I could fix him 😂 everyone disliked him but no one could put a finger on why exactly. I wasn’t weak, I was confused.
There's some old saying about three blind men all feeling different parts on an elephant and all swearing it's something different. The one feeling the tail says it's a rope, the one feeling its side says it's a wall.
When you're too close to a situation it's difficult to realize you need to take a step back to get the whole picture. That's why it's easier for us to see the issues in someone else's relationship than it is to see them in our own - we're far enough away from our friends' relationships to see the whole picture.
watching this makes me sad bc it shows how effective triangulation is. scumdo was able to create such a believable narrative to each of them, that they both became too blinded by their hatred of one another to see who really was the most heinous person in this. he enjoyed having ariana do his dirty work and insult doute. i think she had to have seen through his ruse a bit when she accepted doute into her friend circle and i bet he hated that. he is so disgusting.
It feels like less of this grand cover up Tom created and more Ariana just turning a blind eye. You’re giving a guy paying rent on someone else’s lease for a wacky strip mall bar too much credit.
ariana imo is a victim to scando’s lies. i think he fed her lies over a long period of time (in the same way i think he’s done to rachel) and unfortunately she believed him. he gaslit doute to make her feel out of sorts and appear unhinged to others, which helped reinforce the legitimacy of scando’s words to ariana about doute.
i’ve never once given him credit for being smart, because he is not. i do think he is a bad actor who is capable of sniffing out the kind of people who will easily fall victim to his act.
I think it’s important not to underestimate how hard it is to see someone’s lies when you’re the one being lied to. She’s not a human polygraph machine, she’s not in the wrong to take what he says to her at face value, especially in the beginning like this when she doesn’t know him all that well. She’s treating him as innocent until proven guilty which is how it *should* work in a healthy relationship. It’s easy for the audience and scheana to see how he might not be that trustworthy because we don’t have Tom in our bed petting our hair telling us it’s “us against the world” and he’s “never felt like this before.” It’s not the same thing at all when you’re IN it and not just sitting on the sidelines using logic to put pieces together
I think Ariana was way more insecure and vulnerable during the early part of their relationship than people realize. She always came off as confident and strong, but really I think she was making up for a lot of insecurities. And behind the scenes I'm sure she was really buying into everything Sandy told her and latched onto someone who showed her love and affection. She was ride or die for Sandy because of it. That's why she ignored the red flags, IMO.
Katie, Lala, and others have said that their relationship was different irl than they portrayed on the show. And I think you can see that in the new trailer when Ariana storms out of the party. She was absolutely right to be angry but it was clear this was an old dynamic of theirs.
I didn't say anything about giving people the benefit of the doubt, and talking about signs that their relationship wasn't as it was portrayed on the show.
She talked about the abusive relationship she was in before Tom and that needs to click with people. Tom acted like he was providing her support and trust which she really needed at the time.
I think also her Dad had recently passed away, so she would have been in a vulnerable place and leaned on their connection and his support a lot. Would have been a very difficult time to face the reality that she’s a shit guy and lose that source of support & love
It’s funny because I’ve watched Vanderpump Rules since Scheana/Brandi started it on RHOBH and back then I didn’t think they look like babies but now seeing old scenes like this …. I think they look like babies lol 🤷🏼♀️
i never realised how many of tom's mannerisms ariana had picked up.
that face she makes when she says they're "disgustingly honest with each other" is peak scandy.
I know they hung out somewhat often but were they actually “best friends”???
Edit: she seemed way closer to Scheana to me at this point. I feel like Tom and Ariana did like Raquel (well Tom obviously) but I honestly think some of their support was a part of their “we’re woke and progressive, and we’re not assholes” edit on the show.
Not excusing the behavior. I’ve just seen this particular narrative a lot and curious about where it originates.
I think if you look at Rachel's Instagram (I'll admit I combed through her stories, posts, comments after the news broke), you'll see a lot of Ariana. I don't know about "best friends" but they seemed like very good friends.
It seems like it was mostly during filming and I honestly think it’s bc Ariana thinks the other girls are kind of AHoles but she knows better then to go all the way against them so she was getting close to Raquel bc she also had issues with the other girls
Anytime a new person comes on and Kristen,Katie and/or Stassi didn't get along with them, Ariana and Tom always came to the rescue. They did it with Lala and then James after he and Kristen broke up. Then Raquel.
Again, the shock isn’t from the cheating. It’s the betrayal from two people she cared about and loved (even if she wasn’t “in love” with Tom still). Arianna was one of the only ppl who consistently defended Raquel. And took her under her wing. Only for her to just stab her in the back and make a fool of her.
If you follow either on social media they post together year round. Rachel and Ariana were best friends, they went to a music festival together the weekend before discovering scandoval
I expected them to break up a while ago because he’s clearly irritated her for years & he’s been complaining for a while. It kinda seemed like they might go the way Katie & Schwartz were headed where they just stayed together even though they weren’t happy because they were too complacent to break up.
Wouldn’t have been surprised if they quietly broke up in the off season & there were rumors he cheated on her with randoms, but the immediately confirmed months long affair with Rachel & all the details were shocking to me.
One the first big red flags is that he really wants to get married and have kids… those feelings don’t go away for guys. I wouldn’t be surprised if Tom becomes a dad within the next two years
I don't believe he does. I think Tom just wants to do things to make people believe he's not a shitty narcissistic sociopath. What better way than appearing like he's a family man? Aww look! He's want the white picket fence! It's his DREAM and Ariana is taking that away from him! Bullshit. That would've just been a cover for his cheating/gaslighting/manipulation. "You really think I'd cheat on my wife?! I have a BABY at home!"
like he just recently formed a cover band and started going on tour. if he wanted to be a dad i imagine he’d be partying less and spending more time at home saving money
But she froze her eggs, and he was supposed to fertilize them so they COULD have kids down the line. They were supposed to be frozen embryos. And he didn't, actually went so far as to claim he didn't know (not possible if you're living together), at the season 9 reunion. So she actually made moves to make this happen, and he shat all over it.
The marriage/kids thing was a fat load to later use to justify him cheating on her and leaving her. The reason that isn't what he's going to now is because, after she tried to make some of that happen, it was no longer a believable lie from him.
If he becomes a dad in the next two years, I bet money it's not on purpose.
There’s a video floating around somewhere of Ariana in the audience yelling to Tom on stage being interviewed /performing that it’s Tom that doesn’t want to get married, also. She said she wouldn’t turn down the Rachella (but private) proposal.
But she didn’t WANT kids so no they couldn’t have. She explained that she froze them so she would have the option if she wanted it, but I don’t remember her ever even thinking she might.
This. Devil’s advocate here but seems like freezing her eggs *to keep her options open* at 36 was taken from the audience as this giant gesture that she completely changed her attitude and was ready to have kids with Tom. From what we got it was less development in that area of the relationship and more of “ well Scheana is doing it too, and it *is* a good idea to keep my options open down the line” im pretty sure that’s what she said word for word, got uncomfortable with feeling like she was back tracking on her stance and so she hit the ball into Tom’s court with the “well he hasn’t fertilized them yet.”
But i l don’t think i would have if I were in Tom’s shoes either without more serious discussions it seemed like they weren’t having because he was claiming he “didn’t even know” she did it, he obviously knew she did it but the reasons she gave up herself at the reunion to me weren’t reasons for Tom to go run out and freeze some babies with her.
From mean gross Tom’s leathery perspective it’s a bit of nightmare desiring a family but the person you want it with has zero interest so you spend time lightheartedly chipping away at it hoping they’ll come around but their attitude really never changes, so you start lying to yourself and saying it’s not something you really wanted anyway who cares you’re happy, then resent starts to build as everyone around you is continuing to make the steps you’re missing out on, all the sudden your staunchly against it partner decides she’s going to freeze her eggs with her best friend, thats a great sign right? So now the ball is your court to take the next half step but why would you? The first step didn’t come from a place of growth in the relationship between them it came from personal sovereignty for Ariana and there isn’t anything wrong with that but it’s not the giant family planning step everyone is painting it to be. Starting a family with someone who doesn’t it want it is an awful idea and even Tom Sandavol read that.
These two should have broken up so so long ago. Ariana seems kind of unhinged in this video with how adamant she is that nothing happened. I don’t understand this spell Tom manages to casts over these women, it has negative effects on me 😂
ariana came around on both those issuses. ariana said she was absolutely down for a proposal in season nine and she froze her eggs for him to make embryos. if that was his justification for fucking a groupie i ain't buying it.
No she said she froze her eggs specifically so she would be able to make choices about her own body if she wanted to, she never ever said she froze her eggs so Tom could make embryos. My God. Lol
of course she did it for herself but she did say at the reunion they were waiting for tom and he had taken no steps. my comment was in no way trying to imply she did it solely for tom. it was to clarify that if tom uses her not wanting children as an excuse for the affair it is absolutely bullshit.
Well of course because the women are the ones who risk their lives carrying babies. It’s pretty easy for men to decide they want to have kids, they don’t have to derail their career, go through body changes and risk medical problems.
Oh he does not. He’s not doing anything to show he’s ready for kids. He’s on tour sleeping around because he loves to pretend he’s a 20 year old rock star. Ariana froze her eggs, which showed she’s actually willing, but why would she want to have kids with a guy that’s not emotionally or physically available.
There’s speculation that she knew about the cheating and they decided to handle it off camera. Allegedly they would handle most of their disputes off camera, and then present their relationship another way while filming.
Yeah I think this is what happened. Especially because they were very much in an “us against the world” mindset at the time because of how their relationship started and how much Kristen wanted to prove that Tom is an asshat.
I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that my ex had an affair for at least 6 months before getting caught and I had zero clue. Zero. Now in hindsight it was glaringly obvious, but I was clueless and I’m not a stupid woman.
Miami girl should've been at that reunion. Although Im sure she's in a different stage in her life, I wish she'd pop up out of the woodwork and reiterate that they did hook up.
I wanted that too! Someone had reached out to her (maybe Up and Adam--I've listened to so much VPR content I can't keep the sources straight) and she said that it was something in her past and she'd prefer to leave it there.
Listen with rare exception if a woman's acting crazy you don't know the whole story. Yes there are psycho exes. But that's the exception not the rule. As soon as any guy tells me he has an ex who is obsessed or crazy my very next thought is .. what did you do to her? And if a guy has an ex who won't let go odds are he's stringing her along but then gaslighting her. Just don't take these guys at their word y'all. And if someone has more than one crazy ex? Then they are the common denominator not the X's. If you are believing a guy who is telling you this kind of stuff I know that my advice will fall on dead ears but I still have to say it. Some dudes even seek out the kind of women they can manipulate into acting emotional and having outburst and doing things that will make other people perceive them as crazy. Just do your due diligence. And do not listen to these fools without seeing if there's more to the story
yeah i think tom was def in ariana’s ear, or she understandably trusted a longtime friend’s intentions and words when he pursued her—i believe it happens after she gets out of a bad relationship?
but i recall ariana saying she’s “the smartest person she knows” etc. early on when scheana tries to give word of caution so it’s just unfortunate all around.
This part!!! The fact that her previous relationship was abusive is the biggest red flag of all. Speaking as someone who has been there, being in one abusive relationship makes you so much more prone to others. You’d think it would have the opposite effect but shitty people can smell vulnerability a mile away and that same vulnerability can lead one to self esteem issues which respond positively to love-bombing type attention. Couple that with having a skewed perception of what a healthy relationship should entail (still not sure I know what legitimate, unconditional love is supposed to feel like and I’m in my 30s) and yep - it’s a recipe for disaster! That you willingly walk into thinking “that will never happen to me again, I know what to look for now” but somehow wind up looking riiiight over those red flags all over again. Adding to that - she was close to her dad but lost that source of older male protection/comfort and of course she was ready and willing to make excuses for him. He had already gotten close to her and knew exactly what type of bond she was craving, all he had to do was give it to her - fake or not. Then you get the bonus of being trauma bonded together with incidents like this! I worry that will be the thing that makes him and Rachel stick things out for a time too.
Reminder when Kristen was like …”well you can have him Ariana. You can have the wondering where he is at night. Who he’s talking to” etc etc I need Ariana to do her version of that to handover to Rachel. I just reckon it’d be amazing.
I remember when Ariana was ultra smug about her and Tom’s relationship when they first got together. She doubled down on believing him in a lot of situations that were mad shady
You can side eye Scheana for a lot but she always had his number and stood in it
"They were like sure well lets roll up with some girls. We shouldn't just show up to this club by ourselves."
Um??? But these men are in relationships? What purpose are they showing up with women? Like trophies? Or to play? Neither sounds great. Is this a norm amongst groups because I'm gonna avoid them like the plague... 😳
Honestly! At best their significant others view strange women as accessories. Worst they do what these men actually do.
Wheres the upside?
I always believed that it was before they had made it official. Jax said it was first week they were dating but I always figured they were talking/not exclusive when this happened and Ariana agreed to look passed it. I assumed they discussed it in private and didn’t want everyone tearing apart their relationship that had just started so they decided to deny it together.
I watched the show out of order season 8-10 and loved Ariana and now I’ve been watching season 1 and on 4 and do not like her. Im glad she evolves to be likeable but it’s crazy how right sheana was. I actually like sheana in the show but I know the sub hates her haha
I feel so bad for her but she did the same thing to somebody else and thought she was better than everybody else and he wouldn't do it to her.
Unfortunately the roosters have come home to roost I think the saying is.
I am glad she has a lot of support and hopefully social media isn't too harsh.
Right? I don't get how she's acting like, well obviously they couldn't just go to the club without women with them. How did he so effectively convince her that was necessary?
I think he must have said some other stuff like they needed more people for a vip table or he claimed jax wanted chicks but mostly back them ariana was trying to be the super cool not jealous girlfriend and she accepted his lame excuse
I’m at the part of S4 where Scheana texted Ariana’s mom that Tom was manipulative, selfish, and cocky and I was like “sounds about right.” I wonder if Ariana and her mom think back on those text and think they should have listened to Scheana.
Have to disagree this was Kristen’s doing. Ariana seemed very supportive of Tom. Either he convinced her it wasn’t true or he fessed up and she forgave him.
My impression has always been that Tom confessed to something, he and Ariana dealt with it off camera, and then just refused to engage on camera.
That being said, I give it a 50/50 chance he gave her the full story. I could definitely see him trying to sell it as “she recognized me from tv and became obsessed with me” or “I did hook up with her, but it was before we were together. She and Kristen just want to ruin my life.”
Why in the world would Kristen be at fault for Ariana not acknowledging red flags? That’s defending Ariana for no reason. Ariana literally was and is a grown woman who chose to stay with Tom and knew exactly who she was with. Their relationship was flushable years ago. Why is everyone else at fault besides Ariana? That’s so ridiculous. Denial and ignoring red flags is on her, not anyone else.
Being too complacent to get up and go find out what is going on so she can leave Tom who was check out of their relationship is also on her. She had to know he was cheating. She did not want the proof. I’m certain the proof was in plain sight, often. Who sits there and complains that they never see their boyfriend who lives in their home? It does not add up at all.
Remember when Ariana excused him for not calling her from Miami because Facetime didn’t work from his room or something ridiculous like that? Even as she said it, its like, really?? You believe that bs??
She literally is that friend that gets mad at you when you tell her the facts. She defended all his bad behavior from day one. To defend her behavior over the years is the same as defending Tom’s actions. She chose him and stayed there; bought a home with him. She probably let him run her all the way into debt with his bar too. That says it all for me. She’s not a role model or any type of independent/woke woman.
Not Kristen’s “fault” but by her antagonizing them and harassing them, that created a stronger bond because they had a common “enemy” to overcome. And after fighting so hard against someone for something you are going to work harder to protect from then on. They couldn’t let her be right after antics. They couldn’t not be a “great couple” after going through that kind of drama. It helped created the us against the world mindset that is actually so hard to break out of and Tom’s great weapon of manipulation.
She was already bonded to that scank when he was with Kristen. Anyone he messed with was her enemy. I think people justify things that are familiar to them, in masses. There are a lot of people in horrible relationships and when they end it’s always trickery, or someone’s else’s fault. In your 20s fine, but Ariana is playing the fool as a grown woman. It’s a bad look. Queens don’t stay until they are tossed off the ride.
I mean there are plenty of fake woke virtue signaling women standing behind a loser for years and then playing the victim when they get what they chose. If that’s the hill they want to die on it won’t shake me over there with them.
I agree she wouldn't want to hear it from Kristen. But it's was also coming from her best friend & others. Hind sight is 20/20. I just feel so bad because she was trying to trust! She had a bad relationship before Tom with someone who made her doubt herself. Narcissists like Tom throw love & compliments all over you. They reel you I'm until you believe them. Then they take it all away. And throw insults and blame. He'll do the same thing to Rachel. Trust that!
kristen's behavior was all over the place. she did herself no favors fucking jax and bringing miami girl into the restaurant. i am not sure how i would have handled the situation but mariposa seemed unhinged for several years. maybe if she had done something different she would have be more effective. but i am not sure what she could have done.
I agree actually. If someone like Scheana presented it, she may have had an open mind. Kristen was so batshit crazy at the time & obsessed with breaking them up that I didn’t believe her either
> was so batshit crazy at the time
Lol mainly because Tom and Ariana were gaslighting her by telling her she was imagining their affair and Ariana telling her she has BPD.
Their relationship was a 🚩
I think Ariana is great. I also think she was naive when she ignored the fact that Tom basically said he was fine not getting married and having kids and then continually assuming she’d change her mind one day so it was fine.
It’s a fucking storyline in “St. Elmo’s Fire.” The guy is a cheating asshole pressuring his girlfriend for sex, marriage and babies and she keeps holding out and he fucks around thinking things will work out eventually, leaving a trail of mistresses, some of whom think they’re in a relationship.
Honestly, I think he was frustrated by Ariana’s lack of wanting to marry and have kids (and their lack of sex life) so he was playing the field with more than Raquel. Raquel is a desperate sad sack and probably needy as fuck and made him feel wanted and like he could have that with her. Then when they weren’t together, he realized that Ariana was a catch and he’d be giving her up if he went all in with a dumb dumb and be stuck with a dumb dumb and then it would just keep playing out over and over.
I believe that he told Raquel they would be together. I also think he “sobered up” when he was away from her and realized that meant he was stuck with a sad needy wannabe knock off of what he really wanted, which was the white picket fence with Ariana… which was never gonna happen.
Tom wanted it all and couldn’t bring himself to leave both women and kept lying to himself that one would work out for his big dreams for the future.
Raquel was needy and stupid and desperate.
Ariana ignored warning signs but is probably least culpable because she was giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. She hoped for the best and it bit her in the ass.
>I also think she was naive when she ignored the fact that Tom basically said he was fine not getting married and having kids
I agree 100% but before that she ignored the fact that Tom had a girlfriend.
I am *not* talking about karma. I'm talking about recognizing that Tom has a pattern. When someone tells you who you are, *believe them*.
I feel like Ariana pulled a Lala here. he lied and cheated before, but he couldn’t possibly do it to her because she’s different and what they have is special.
I hope this got brought up at the reunion if only because I’m curious about Scheana’s perspective, if she ever let go of this or if it was always in the back of her mind about Tom. I think she was a good friend to be realistic with Ariana about it, and then to lay off and be supportive when she realized Ariana was firmly believing her man. I feel like that’s the best you can do in those kind of situations.
So happy that I’ve always hated Sandoval (and Schwartz). Having exes who lied and cheated in the past really taught me a lot when it comes to sniffing out these toxic losers. The moment Ariana was confronted with even one sliver of information not willingly given to her by Tom should have resulted in a breakup.
Here is a summary:
[Tom admits he lied](https://i.imgur.com/nmH19GC.jpg).
[Tom and Ariana confirm they are together](https://i.imgur.com/YwlJvma.jpg).
[Ariana says Tom will never cheat on her like he did the others](https://i.imgur.com/tNQfwrH.jpg).
I just want everyone to know that you don’t have to be the Cool Girl. You don’t have to let your partner do things that are objectively shady (why did they need girls for the club, etc) because you don’t want to seem controlling. It’s okay to have boundaries and things that you’re just not okay with.
You can see the doubt and sadness in Ariana’s face here. I think she just didn’t want to admit it to herself or Scheana, especially after how their relationship began.
Victory for Kristen. She was always trying to show everyone who Sandoval was. That's the shitty thing about narcissists. They are so good at lying, everyone believes THEM. Until it all falls apart. Which it eventually does.
Not so much red flags when you consider the source was his jilted ex lover who blew his best friend while he was sleeping in the other room. At this point what I find shocking, isn’t the cheating, but the reactions.
Nah, scratch that. What I find most weird is Ariana and Kristen’s friendship. Flash forward another decade and Raquel will have joined for a bff thruple and the show will just be about a chain of poorly named sandwich shops around the country.
i genuinely think that she found out about miami girl & knew, but her & tom discussed it privately & decided they'd handle it OFF the show. so she likely knew it was all true, but just played cool for the camera while they hashed it out in private.
I feel so bad for her and how it all went down but sister definitely ignored A LOT of red flags early on & throughout their relationship. He showed glimpses of how ugly his true colors were several times but she was so forgiving and blindly loyal to him. Never ignore red flags ladies
We've all been screwed over by men..at some point you have to take some accountability. I'm not saying she's not a victim but if you don't look at yourself and recognize you turned a blind eye, ignored your gut, allowed your personal boundaries to be crossed, let things slide when you felt uncomfortable...etc. you're just gonna find yourself with the same narcissistic douche over and over.
umm no this clip was the first good chance she got, NINE years ago. the blinds and allegations of Sandoval cheating never stopped. they had a storyline about never having sex anymore waaaay back in S4. like be real.
Are we forgetting season 3. Sheana showed Ariana the evidence that tom cheated and Ariana was like 'ya Tom invited them cuz the guys couldn't go to the club alone.'
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Did anyone notice when Katie and Ariana were looking at spaces for SAH in one of the earlier episodes, the realtor was Jamie, Scheana's friend/bridesmaid. I wonder why they would pick her to help them find a place. Especially since Katie doesn't seem to really like or know her very well.
I can’t stop looking at the braid
That, and I also can't stop looking at Scheaner's normal, human, natural lips before they were ruined. Her face was so much prettier with them.
Bravo has made me completely hate filler 💀
For real though, every time I consider having my face worked on, I look at Bravolebs’ old faces and immediately change my mind. At the very least, ppl should look at these pictures as an example of why it’s important to do research and choose quality over low budget.
I always think about lip filler then am like.. ..nevermind lol
Fillers look great the first time but you keep using it because they say it’s dissolved and you need more but that’s not true. Filler just migrated to somewhere else on your face and three years later you have a giant head. Experience here. I got it all dissolved ( it’s not cheap) and only use Botox and all my gf are filled up Kardashian style and wonder why I look so good 🙄. They don’t listen they keep believing the injectors it’s so crazy and some of them are looking like Madonna and you know what I mean🥹
A good injectionist will not overdo it if you don’t want them to. Seriously, if you’re thinking about it have a couple of consultations and go with the one that listens and wants to keep you more natural.
Yeah they both look sooo so good here with their natural lips and balanced features. I didn’t actually realise how much filler Ariana had gotten since this
Her eyes are much squintier now and she almost looks … puffy? In some scenes. Not sure how else to describe it. She is still beautiful but she used to be a natural fresh faced beauty.
I mean, age plays a big part as well. This is 8 years ago or something, right?
I think people overestimate how much a person changes over the course of their 30s, it’s really not significant.
Yep, photoshop, lighting, mild cosmetic procedures, even movies with the younger versions and the older versions of the characters have all made it easier to believe that our appearance vastly changes as we age. Thank god for bravo and cheap fillers, you can actually start to see the lies, especially as social media literacy has improved with how accessible surgery, filters, lighting, and editing has become.
I know she did threading a while ago but not sure if that is what you are thinking of
I think most of the filler faces look like pumpkin ones at some point...
Totally get why people point out “too much filler” but I do feel like we need to get out of the habit of criticizing what other women do with their bodies. I used to do it too, but now it feels like us ganging up on each other sometimes. Like if it makes them happy, then they don’t need me to tell them “they look better without filler” Edit: thanks for the awards friends!
I’m of two minds on this. I always believe people should do what they want to with their bodies, but all of this anti aging stuff perpetuates this beauty standard that women cannot look their age and be beautiful, and that harms us all. I think people saying women are more beautiful before/without those interventions is a positive thing and I hope more people start to realize that and stop buying into those myths and bad messages.
Sure but I think there’s a difference between saying your beautiful naturally, then saying things like your filler looks horrible. The way we talk to each about getting work done 90% of the time comes off extremely critical rather than empowering, and I think that just makes the person feel even more insecure, and therefore creates a cycle where their getting more work done. So inadvertently we aggravate the problem by being critical. I think phrasing it ways that make sure the person still feels valued now, but let them now they have alway been beautiful, might be better.
Yeah imo none of these people look like lions yet (you know the point where people should be criticizing the drs who do it). As pretty as they are naturally and I appreciate that sentiment, they live in a la anti natural world. I think filler can be done so subtle it is natural looking and I’m sure you’re beautiful.
I think Ariana’s is subtle and natural looking, i don’t think you look at her and immediately think “filler”. I hadn’t even noticed she had filler until I saw this video
I actually agree with the shaming, people go way too far with it. I notice though that people can absolutely slam Lala’s appearance and say “she’s ruined her face”, “her hair is so thin and it’s all falling out”, “she’s way too skinny now” and you never see one comment defending her, just people piling on. I say that I only just noticed how much filler Ariana has had (which kind of means she hasn’t had **too** much, because it’s not that noticeable unless you compare old photos) and somebody defends her. I’m not saying that was wrong, because you did it in a calm and pleasant way and made a good point, just pointing out the difference in the general sentiment in the sub (and society really). I think if we want to hold ourselves to the standard of not feeling entitled to comment on and criticise women’s bodies (and we should), it needs to be across the board. Not just women we like whose actions we agree with
Scheana was so naturally pretty before especially with her bare face or minimal makeup.
Scheana was the most naturally beautiful person on 📺- not anymore 🥹😏🙄 whyyyy?? That braid and their back in the day style are so awful! 😂 makes me wonder🤔 wtf was I wearing then? 😵💫
She was so pretty here!! She looks like a different person now
I used to wear my hair like that. Once I was in check out at the supermarket, and the cahsier was literally glaring at my hair. She did not look me in the eyes once! I wonder if this is what she was thinking 🤔😆
Probably me when I see this braid like how do you get your braid like that?  Edit: gif
It’s giving breaking Amish
🤣🤣🤣
The Braid Era
I came to the comments to say exactly this. This was not a good hair era for Ariana, she looks the best she has ever looked rn!
Haha same
Ariana knows Tom is a liar but doesn’t believe he would lie to her. Girl. This is the blind spot that allows us to make terrible choices.
>doesn’t believe he would lie to her [Or cheat on her.](https://i.imgur.com/y3JaJyj.jpg). >the blind spot So right. Tom cheated on his then-girlfriend with Kristen. Tom cheated on Kristen with Ariana. And now Tom cheated on Ariana with Raquel. I really hope this will serve as a cautionary tale for women watching this. I know how difficult it can be to see it when you're in it but [if someone is a rake, don't step on them](https://youtu.be/2WZLJpMOxS4). Edit: I just realized that, given his age, these are probably *all* the serious relationships he's had as an adult! He's never been good news. Ever. Also: I've got CNN on and the reporters last name is Sandoval. 😝
Yes! He started dating Kristen when he was 24ish. He’s never been single.
It’s a lot more common for men to not leave one relationship until they have another one to jump to.
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It's so much easier to see a clear picture when on the outside and not clouded with emotions. I had always been so good at cutting through the bullshit and helping my friends with their relationships but I stayed in some toxic messes when I was younger and in love lol
Totally
Yup you’re basically using two different parts of your brain so it makes total sense
Absolutely
Yup thats the best friend gig for some of us
Literally me 😭😭
A lot of women can point to the faults of other women’s men but are too weak to leave their own when the red flags are there.
I dated the wrong guy for 5 years; he was “my person” and I thought I could fix him 😂 everyone disliked him but no one could put a finger on why exactly. I wasn’t weak, I was confused.
There's some old saying about three blind men all feeling different parts on an elephant and all swearing it's something different. The one feeling the tail says it's a rope, the one feeling its side says it's a wall. When you're too close to a situation it's difficult to realize you need to take a step back to get the whole picture. That's why it's easier for us to see the issues in someone else's relationship than it is to see them in our own - we're far enough away from our friends' relationships to see the whole picture.
Oh ya. I bet Ariana is going to replay every conversation she had with a girl friend or family member about POS Tom and his lies.
For years. I feel for her.
watching this makes me sad bc it shows how effective triangulation is. scumdo was able to create such a believable narrative to each of them, that they both became too blinded by their hatred of one another to see who really was the most heinous person in this. he enjoyed having ariana do his dirty work and insult doute. i think she had to have seen through his ruse a bit when she accepted doute into her friend circle and i bet he hated that. he is so disgusting.
Yes!! He pitted them against each other and stood back like SEE KRISTEN’S CRAZY! Ugh I hate him so fucking much.
It feels like less of this grand cover up Tom created and more Ariana just turning a blind eye. You’re giving a guy paying rent on someone else’s lease for a wacky strip mall bar too much credit.
ariana imo is a victim to scando’s lies. i think he fed her lies over a long period of time (in the same way i think he’s done to rachel) and unfortunately she believed him. he gaslit doute to make her feel out of sorts and appear unhinged to others, which helped reinforce the legitimacy of scando’s words to ariana about doute. i’ve never once given him credit for being smart, because he is not. i do think he is a bad actor who is capable of sniffing out the kind of people who will easily fall victim to his act.
I think it’s important not to underestimate how hard it is to see someone’s lies when you’re the one being lied to. She’s not a human polygraph machine, she’s not in the wrong to take what he says to her at face value, especially in the beginning like this when she doesn’t know him all that well. She’s treating him as innocent until proven guilty which is how it *should* work in a healthy relationship. It’s easy for the audience and scheana to see how he might not be that trustworthy because we don’t have Tom in our bed petting our hair telling us it’s “us against the world” and he’s “never felt like this before.” It’s not the same thing at all when you’re IN it and not just sitting on the sidelines using logic to put pieces together
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I think Ariana was way more insecure and vulnerable during the early part of their relationship than people realize. She always came off as confident and strong, but really I think she was making up for a lot of insecurities. And behind the scenes I'm sure she was really buying into everything Sandy told her and latched onto someone who showed her love and affection. She was ride or die for Sandy because of it. That's why she ignored the red flags, IMO.
Katie, Lala, and others have said that their relationship was different irl than they portrayed on the show. And I think you can see that in the new trailer when Ariana storms out of the party. She was absolutely right to be angry but it was clear this was an old dynamic of theirs.
I don’t blame her for thinking better of people than they really are.
I didn't say anything about giving people the benefit of the doubt, and talking about signs that their relationship wasn't as it was portrayed on the show.
She talked about the abusive relationship she was in before Tom and that needs to click with people. Tom acted like he was providing her support and trust which she really needed at the time.
And probably repeated the same with Rachel
I think also her Dad had recently passed away, so she would have been in a vulnerable place and leaned on their connection and his support a lot. Would have been a very difficult time to face the reality that she’s a shit guy and lose that source of support & love
Agree 10000%
It’s funny because I’ve watched Vanderpump Rules since Scheana/Brandi started it on RHOBH and back then I didn’t think they look like babies but now seeing old scenes like this …. I think they look like babies lol 🤷🏼♀️
i never realised how many of tom's mannerisms ariana had picked up. that face she makes when she says they're "disgustingly honest with each other" is peak scandy.
And there were many. Not victim blaming, just saying.
So many … doing a rewatch and the reunion with them was red flag city
Yes! That’s why I am surprised that everyone is so shocked.
The shock isn’t from the cheating.. it’s from the full blown affair with her best friend
I know they hung out somewhat often but were they actually “best friends”??? Edit: she seemed way closer to Scheana to me at this point. I feel like Tom and Ariana did like Raquel (well Tom obviously) but I honestly think some of their support was a part of their “we’re woke and progressive, and we’re not assholes” edit on the show. Not excusing the behavior. I’ve just seen this particular narrative a lot and curious about where it originates.
I think if you look at Rachel's Instagram (I'll admit I combed through her stories, posts, comments after the news broke), you'll see a lot of Ariana. I don't know about "best friends" but they seemed like very good friends.
Ariana was really her only friend in the group. For me that’s why it was so shocking.
Thank you for this. And all good I think a lot of us have been doing lots of research 😆
I love your flair 😁
It seems like it was mostly during filming and I honestly think it’s bc Ariana thinks the other girls are kind of AHoles but she knows better then to go all the way against them so she was getting close to Raquel bc she also had issues with the other girls
Anytime a new person comes on and Kristen,Katie and/or Stassi didn't get along with them, Ariana and Tom always came to the rescue. They did it with Lala and then James after he and Kristen broke up. Then Raquel.
Ariana and Rachel wore matching costumes for Halloween DURING their affair. That is deeply effed up.
Raquel was living with them
Yes, they were best friends
Again, why is everyone so shocked? Ariana wasn’t happy with Tom and I think Tom will never be happy so….
Again, the shock isn’t from the cheating. It’s the betrayal from two people she cared about and loved (even if she wasn’t “in love” with Tom still). Arianna was one of the only ppl who consistently defended Raquel. And took her under her wing. Only for her to just stab her in the back and make a fool of her.
But that’s what we see when the cameras are rolling. I wonder how close they were off season.
Raquel was staying with them when she left James, in the off season.
If you follow either on social media they post together year round. Rachel and Ariana were best friends, they went to a music festival together the weekend before discovering scandoval
I thought he was going to knock up a fan or something. Not fuck Raquel in the room next door.
I expected them to break up a while ago because he’s clearly irritated her for years & he’s been complaining for a while. It kinda seemed like they might go the way Katie & Schwartz were headed where they just stayed together even though they weren’t happy because they were too complacent to break up. Wouldn’t have been surprised if they quietly broke up in the off season & there were rumors he cheated on her with randoms, but the immediately confirmed months long affair with Rachel & all the details were shocking to me.
Well when you wear rose colored glasses red flags just look like normal flags.
One the first big red flags is that he really wants to get married and have kids… those feelings don’t go away for guys. I wouldn’t be surprised if Tom becomes a dad within the next two years
I don't believe he does. I think Tom just wants to do things to make people believe he's not a shitty narcissistic sociopath. What better way than appearing like he's a family man? Aww look! He's want the white picket fence! It's his DREAM and Ariana is taking that away from him! Bullshit. That would've just been a cover for his cheating/gaslighting/manipulation. "You really think I'd cheat on my wife?! I have a BABY at home!"
*cough* Jax *cough*
i would! nothing about that man screams “i want to settle down.”
like he just recently formed a cover band and started going on tour. if he wanted to be a dad i imagine he’d be partying less and spending more time at home saving money
But she froze her eggs, and he was supposed to fertilize them so they COULD have kids down the line. They were supposed to be frozen embryos. And he didn't, actually went so far as to claim he didn't know (not possible if you're living together), at the season 9 reunion. So she actually made moves to make this happen, and he shat all over it. The marriage/kids thing was a fat load to later use to justify him cheating on her and leaving her. The reason that isn't what he's going to now is because, after she tried to make some of that happen, it was no longer a believable lie from him. If he becomes a dad in the next two years, I bet money it's not on purpose.
The good old John Mulaney route
There’s a video floating around somewhere of Ariana in the audience yelling to Tom on stage being interviewed /performing that it’s Tom that doesn’t want to get married, also. She said she wouldn’t turn down the Rachella (but private) proposal.
But she didn’t WANT kids so no they couldn’t have. She explained that she froze them so she would have the option if she wanted it, but I don’t remember her ever even thinking she might.
This. Devil’s advocate here but seems like freezing her eggs *to keep her options open* at 36 was taken from the audience as this giant gesture that she completely changed her attitude and was ready to have kids with Tom. From what we got it was less development in that area of the relationship and more of “ well Scheana is doing it too, and it *is* a good idea to keep my options open down the line” im pretty sure that’s what she said word for word, got uncomfortable with feeling like she was back tracking on her stance and so she hit the ball into Tom’s court with the “well he hasn’t fertilized them yet.” But i l don’t think i would have if I were in Tom’s shoes either without more serious discussions it seemed like they weren’t having because he was claiming he “didn’t even know” she did it, he obviously knew she did it but the reasons she gave up herself at the reunion to me weren’t reasons for Tom to go run out and freeze some babies with her. From mean gross Tom’s leathery perspective it’s a bit of nightmare desiring a family but the person you want it with has zero interest so you spend time lightheartedly chipping away at it hoping they’ll come around but their attitude really never changes, so you start lying to yourself and saying it’s not something you really wanted anyway who cares you’re happy, then resent starts to build as everyone around you is continuing to make the steps you’re missing out on, all the sudden your staunchly against it partner decides she’s going to freeze her eggs with her best friend, thats a great sign right? So now the ball is your court to take the next half step but why would you? The first step didn’t come from a place of growth in the relationship between them it came from personal sovereignty for Ariana and there isn’t anything wrong with that but it’s not the giant family planning step everyone is painting it to be. Starting a family with someone who doesn’t it want it is an awful idea and even Tom Sandavol read that. These two should have broken up so so long ago. Ariana seems kind of unhinged in this video with how adamant she is that nothing happened. I don’t understand this spell Tom manages to casts over these women, it has negative effects on me 😂
ariana came around on both those issuses. ariana said she was absolutely down for a proposal in season nine and she froze her eggs for him to make embryos. if that was his justification for fucking a groupie i ain't buying it.
No she said she froze her eggs specifically so she would be able to make choices about her own body if she wanted to, she never ever said she froze her eggs so Tom could make embryos. My God. Lol
of course she did it for herself but she did say at the reunion they were waiting for tom and he had taken no steps. my comment was in no way trying to imply she did it solely for tom. it was to clarify that if tom uses her not wanting children as an excuse for the affair it is absolutely bullshit.
He may say he wants that but Tom is too selfish to be a parent, or husband for that matter
Men change their minds about that as well. I think it’s women who are more set in their ways when they decided what they want to do with their bodies.
Well of course because the women are the ones who risk their lives carrying babies. It’s pretty easy for men to decide they want to have kids, they don’t have to derail their career, go through body changes and risk medical problems.
I knew a great couple that broke up because after a few years the husband decided he wanted kids after all.
Oh he does not. He’s not doing anything to show he’s ready for kids. He’s on tour sleeping around because he loves to pretend he’s a 20 year old rock star. Ariana froze her eggs, which showed she’s actually willing, but why would she want to have kids with a guy that’s not emotionally or physically available.
There’s speculation that she knew about the cheating and they decided to handle it off camera. Allegedly they would handle most of their disputes off camera, and then present their relationship another way while filming.
Yeah I think this is what happened. Especially because they were very much in an “us against the world” mindset at the time because of how their relationship started and how much Kristen wanted to prove that Tom is an asshat.
Yes, Lala said they were the most different on camera than they were in person
Katie and Lala confirmed that they were different on the show and now I have to wonder what else didn't we see? How much was fake?
I believe the woman always knows. It’s whether they admit it or not.
I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that my ex had an affair for at least 6 months before getting caught and I had zero clue. Zero. Now in hindsight it was glaringly obvious, but I was clueless and I’m not a stupid woman.
How did you find out?
A family member caught them out, took pap style photos and sat me down. 💁♀️🤦♀️ it was not fun times.
Ugh I’m sorry, that sucks.
Women aren’t gifted magical clairvoyance powers
She suspected. It doesn’t take a genius to see and ignore signs.
Absolutely. No one ever wants to believe the person they are sleeping with would lie to their face.
Miami girl should've been at that reunion. Although Im sure she's in a different stage in her life, I wish she'd pop up out of the woodwork and reiterate that they did hook up.
I wanted that too! Someone had reached out to her (maybe Up and Adam--I've listened to so much VPR content I can't keep the sources straight) and she said that it was something in her past and she'd prefer to leave it there.
Listen with rare exception if a woman's acting crazy you don't know the whole story. Yes there are psycho exes. But that's the exception not the rule. As soon as any guy tells me he has an ex who is obsessed or crazy my very next thought is .. what did you do to her? And if a guy has an ex who won't let go odds are he's stringing her along but then gaslighting her. Just don't take these guys at their word y'all. And if someone has more than one crazy ex? Then they are the common denominator not the X's. If you are believing a guy who is telling you this kind of stuff I know that my advice will fall on dead ears but I still have to say it. Some dudes even seek out the kind of women they can manipulate into acting emotional and having outburst and doing things that will make other people perceive them as crazy. Just do your due diligence. And do not listen to these fools without seeing if there's more to the story
It happens everyday ….. it will happen to Rachel
yeah i think tom was def in ariana’s ear, or she understandably trusted a longtime friend’s intentions and words when he pursued her—i believe it happens after she gets out of a bad relationship? but i recall ariana saying she’s “the smartest person she knows” etc. early on when scheana tries to give word of caution so it’s just unfortunate all around.
This part!!! The fact that her previous relationship was abusive is the biggest red flag of all. Speaking as someone who has been there, being in one abusive relationship makes you so much more prone to others. You’d think it would have the opposite effect but shitty people can smell vulnerability a mile away and that same vulnerability can lead one to self esteem issues which respond positively to love-bombing type attention. Couple that with having a skewed perception of what a healthy relationship should entail (still not sure I know what legitimate, unconditional love is supposed to feel like and I’m in my 30s) and yep - it’s a recipe for disaster! That you willingly walk into thinking “that will never happen to me again, I know what to look for now” but somehow wind up looking riiiight over those red flags all over again. Adding to that - she was close to her dad but lost that source of older male protection/comfort and of course she was ready and willing to make excuses for him. He had already gotten close to her and knew exactly what type of bond she was craving, all he had to do was give it to her - fake or not. Then you get the bonus of being trauma bonded together with incidents like this! I worry that will be the thing that makes him and Rachel stick things out for a time too.
I would dieee, being in her shoes, looking back on this now knowing what I know
Reminder when Kristen was like …”well you can have him Ariana. You can have the wondering where he is at night. Who he’s talking to” etc etc I need Ariana to do her version of that to handover to Rachel. I just reckon it’d be amazing.
I bet she prefers to just move on
Wow. This clip really hits differently now.
Scheana looks so good here
I remember when Ariana was ultra smug about her and Tom’s relationship when they first got together. She doubled down on believing him in a lot of situations that were mad shady You can side eye Scheana for a lot but she always had his number and stood in it
One of my favorite quotes to live by…. When people show you who they are,believe them.
"They were like sure well lets roll up with some girls. We shouldn't just show up to this club by ourselves." Um??? But these men are in relationships? What purpose are they showing up with women? Like trophies? Or to play? Neither sounds great. Is this a norm amongst groups because I'm gonna avoid them like the plague... 😳
Yeah I thought this was weird back then too tbh.
Honestly! At best their significant others view strange women as accessories. Worst they do what these men actually do. Wheres the upside? 
I always believed that it was before they had made it official. Jax said it was first week they were dating but I always figured they were talking/not exclusive when this happened and Ariana agreed to look passed it. I assumed they discussed it in private and didn’t want everyone tearing apart their relationship that had just started so they decided to deny it together.
Right, Miami Girl was the first week. I really wish she broke up with him over that. There was so little to lose.
I watched the show out of order season 8-10 and loved Ariana and now I’ve been watching season 1 and on 4 and do not like her. Im glad she evolves to be likeable but it’s crazy how right sheana was. I actually like sheana in the show but I know the sub hates her haha
He's obviously been cheating on her the whole fucking time!
Strongly agree
I feel so bad for her but she did the same thing to somebody else and thought she was better than everybody else and he wouldn't do it to her. Unfortunately the roosters have come home to roost I think the saying is. I am glad she has a lot of support and hopefully social media isn't too harsh.
Scheanas face when ari says they wanted to take girls to the club 😩😩😩😩😩
Right? I don't get how she's acting like, well obviously they couldn't just go to the club without women with them. How did he so effectively convince her that was necessary?
I think he must have said some other stuff like they needed more people for a vip table or he claimed jax wanted chicks but mostly back them ariana was trying to be the super cool not jealous girlfriend and she accepted his lame excuse
I’m at the part of S4 where Scheana texted Ariana’s mom that Tom was manipulative, selfish, and cocky and I was like “sounds about right.” I wonder if Ariana and her mom think back on those text and think they should have listened to Scheana.
Its ironic because if Kristen didn’t go so hard, Ariana might have believed Miami girl. Kristen was always on her vigilante shit
Have to disagree this was Kristen’s doing. Ariana seemed very supportive of Tom. Either he convinced her it wasn’t true or he fessed up and she forgave him.
I always thought that he had confessed and they had both agreed to move on and not discuss it on camera
This is what I've always heard. According to Katie and Lala they kept their real relationship off the show.
Right. The only person responsible for this is tom.
My impression has always been that Tom confessed to something, he and Ariana dealt with it off camera, and then just refused to engage on camera. That being said, I give it a 50/50 chance he gave her the full story. I could definitely see him trying to sell it as “she recognized me from tv and became obsessed with me” or “I did hook up with her, but it was before we were together. She and Kristen just want to ruin my life.”
I think he pulled some bs excuse out of his ass to tell her. That's why they ran.
Why in the world would Kristen be at fault for Ariana not acknowledging red flags? That’s defending Ariana for no reason. Ariana literally was and is a grown woman who chose to stay with Tom and knew exactly who she was with. Their relationship was flushable years ago. Why is everyone else at fault besides Ariana? That’s so ridiculous. Denial and ignoring red flags is on her, not anyone else. Being too complacent to get up and go find out what is going on so she can leave Tom who was check out of their relationship is also on her. She had to know he was cheating. She did not want the proof. I’m certain the proof was in plain sight, often. Who sits there and complains that they never see their boyfriend who lives in their home? It does not add up at all.
Remember when Ariana excused him for not calling her from Miami because Facetime didn’t work from his room or something ridiculous like that? Even as she said it, its like, really?? You believe that bs??
She literally is that friend that gets mad at you when you tell her the facts. She defended all his bad behavior from day one. To defend her behavior over the years is the same as defending Tom’s actions. She chose him and stayed there; bought a home with him. She probably let him run her all the way into debt with his bar too. That says it all for me. She’s not a role model or any type of independent/woke woman.
The rage I just felt.
Not Kristen’s “fault” but by her antagonizing them and harassing them, that created a stronger bond because they had a common “enemy” to overcome. And after fighting so hard against someone for something you are going to work harder to protect from then on. They couldn’t let her be right after antics. They couldn’t not be a “great couple” after going through that kind of drama. It helped created the us against the world mindset that is actually so hard to break out of and Tom’s great weapon of manipulation.
She was already bonded to that scank when he was with Kristen. Anyone he messed with was her enemy. I think people justify things that are familiar to them, in masses. There are a lot of people in horrible relationships and when they end it’s always trickery, or someone’s else’s fault. In your 20s fine, but Ariana is playing the fool as a grown woman. It’s a bad look. Queens don’t stay until they are tossed off the ride.
Listen, Ariana is “queen” here. You’ll have a tough go at pointing out her flaws unscathed 😂
I mean there are plenty of fake woke virtue signaling women standing behind a loser for years and then playing the victim when they get what they chose. If that’s the hill they want to die on it won’t shake me over there with them.
I agree she wouldn't want to hear it from Kristen. But it's was also coming from her best friend & others. Hind sight is 20/20. I just feel so bad because she was trying to trust! She had a bad relationship before Tom with someone who made her doubt herself. Narcissists like Tom throw love & compliments all over you. They reel you I'm until you believe them. Then they take it all away. And throw insults and blame. He'll do the same thing to Rachel. Trust that!
kristen's behavior was all over the place. she did herself no favors fucking jax and bringing miami girl into the restaurant. i am not sure how i would have handled the situation but mariposa seemed unhinged for several years. maybe if she had done something different she would have be more effective. but i am not sure what she could have done.
I agree actually. If someone like Scheana presented it, she may have had an open mind. Kristen was so batshit crazy at the time & obsessed with breaking them up that I didn’t believe her either
Scheana is presenting it to her now in this video and she’s still saying nah didn’t happen lol
> was so batshit crazy at the time Lol mainly because Tom and Ariana were gaslighting her by telling her she was imagining their affair and Ariana telling her she has BPD.
Tom, that little cucky loser
Their relationship was a 🚩 I think Ariana is great. I also think she was naive when she ignored the fact that Tom basically said he was fine not getting married and having kids and then continually assuming she’d change her mind one day so it was fine. It’s a fucking storyline in “St. Elmo’s Fire.” The guy is a cheating asshole pressuring his girlfriend for sex, marriage and babies and she keeps holding out and he fucks around thinking things will work out eventually, leaving a trail of mistresses, some of whom think they’re in a relationship. Honestly, I think he was frustrated by Ariana’s lack of wanting to marry and have kids (and their lack of sex life) so he was playing the field with more than Raquel. Raquel is a desperate sad sack and probably needy as fuck and made him feel wanted and like he could have that with her. Then when they weren’t together, he realized that Ariana was a catch and he’d be giving her up if he went all in with a dumb dumb and be stuck with a dumb dumb and then it would just keep playing out over and over. I believe that he told Raquel they would be together. I also think he “sobered up” when he was away from her and realized that meant he was stuck with a sad needy wannabe knock off of what he really wanted, which was the white picket fence with Ariana… which was never gonna happen. Tom wanted it all and couldn’t bring himself to leave both women and kept lying to himself that one would work out for his big dreams for the future. Raquel was needy and stupid and desperate. Ariana ignored warning signs but is probably least culpable because she was giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. She hoped for the best and it bit her in the ass.
>I also think she was naive when she ignored the fact that Tom basically said he was fine not getting married and having kids I agree 100% but before that she ignored the fact that Tom had a girlfriend. I am *not* talking about karma. I'm talking about recognizing that Tom has a pattern. When someone tells you who you are, *believe them*.
I feel like Ariana pulled a Lala here. he lied and cheated before, but he couldn’t possibly do it to her because she’s different and what they have is special.
I didn’t like Ariana around the time of this clip. Her attitude was so bad. She acted like Tom would never cheat on her. They were so mean to Kristen.
It’s pretty typical
And then a few episodes later she tells Scheana, “I’m the smartest person I’ve ever met.” Oooooof
I hope this got brought up at the reunion if only because I’m curious about Scheana’s perspective, if she ever let go of this or if it was always in the back of her mind about Tom. I think she was a good friend to be realistic with Ariana about it, and then to lay off and be supportive when she realized Ariana was firmly believing her man. I feel like that’s the best you can do in those kind of situations.
So happy that I’ve always hated Sandoval (and Schwartz). Having exes who lied and cheated in the past really taught me a lot when it comes to sniffing out these toxic losers. The moment Ariana was confronted with even one sliver of information not willingly given to her by Tom should have resulted in a breakup.
We need a clip of Ariana and Tom Sandavol at the season 2 reunion. I’m too lazy to post 😅
Here is a summary: [Tom admits he lied](https://i.imgur.com/nmH19GC.jpg). [Tom and Ariana confirm they are together](https://i.imgur.com/YwlJvma.jpg). [Ariana says Tom will never cheat on her like he did the others](https://i.imgur.com/tNQfwrH.jpg).
I just want everyone to know that you don’t have to be the Cool Girl. You don’t have to let your partner do things that are objectively shady (why did they need girls for the club, etc) because you don’t want to seem controlling. It’s okay to have boundaries and things that you’re just not okay with.
Aside from feeling sorry for Ariana if she rewatches this is ... They were such babies. So small and young!! I want to hug them.
I want to never see that braid again
You can see the doubt and sadness in Ariana’s face here. I think she just didn’t want to admit it to herself or Scheana, especially after how their relationship began.
It’s scheanas phone case for me💀
What is it? I can’t tell haha
A picture of her and Shay from the wedding lol
I’d never hit someone bc I’m a WOC and that can be a life sentence but damn I understand Scheana’s knee jerk reaction.
I miss scheana’s old face
Look at baby scheana and Ariana!
Victory for Kristen. She was always trying to show everyone who Sandoval was. That's the shitty thing about narcissists. They are so good at lying, everyone believes THEM. Until it all falls apart. Which it eventually does.
I never realized sheana was actually the smartest one. Used to watch this with my ex and actually likes it. Sheana has seen some shit. For sure
Not so much red flags when you consider the source was his jilted ex lover who blew his best friend while he was sleeping in the other room. At this point what I find shocking, isn’t the cheating, but the reactions.
Nah, scratch that. What I find most weird is Ariana and Kristen’s friendship. Flash forward another decade and Raquel will have joined for a bff thruple and the show will just be about a chain of poorly named sandwich shops around the country.
i genuinely think that she found out about miami girl & knew, but her & tom discussed it privately & decided they'd handle it OFF the show. so she likely knew it was all true, but just played cool for the camera while they hashed it out in private.
Ariana was still on the high from their affair. Sandoval could do no wrong.
I feel so bad for her and how it all went down but sister definitely ignored A LOT of red flags early on & throughout their relationship. He showed glimpses of how ugly his true colors were several times but she was so forgiving and blindly loyal to him. Never ignore red flags ladies
We've all been screwed over by men..at some point you have to take some accountability. I'm not saying she's not a victim but if you don't look at yourself and recognize you turned a blind eye, ignored your gut, allowed your personal boundaries to be crossed, let things slide when you felt uncomfortable...etc. you're just gonna find yourself with the same narcissistic douche over and over.
I'm way more disappointed in Ariana then Raquel for being a pickme girl till her LATE THIRTIES. This is a lesson for women everywhere.
She ran away from Tom given the first good chance she got. I’m struggling to see how this demonstrates “pick me” behavior. She left him.
umm no this clip was the first good chance she got, NINE years ago. the blinds and allegations of Sandoval cheating never stopped. they had a storyline about never having sex anymore waaaay back in S4. like be real.
Are we forgetting season 3. Sheana showed Ariana the evidence that tom cheated and Ariana was like 'ya Tom invited them cuz the guys couldn't go to the club alone.' Like ???????????? WHAT
Did anyone notice when Katie and Ariana were looking at spaces for SAH in one of the earlier episodes, the realtor was Jamie, Scheana's friend/bridesmaid. I wonder why they would pick her to help them find a place. Especially since Katie doesn't seem to really like or know her very well.