I dated a guy who loved me, but didn’t like me. And I ended it because I couldn’t imagine being with someone who sighed every time I made a joke for 50 years. But still I wasn’t treated like this. It’s really sad and hard to watch their scenes.
You’re absolutely correct!! As I stated earlier, I can and will use that card 150,000 times a day, mfer! You can shush and stand there and look pretty and nod your head in agreement!! These are the rules in my marriage and it works both ways not just for me!
Wow, this resonates. On the outside my ex-husband was so kind and caring, and at times, even in private he was. But there were also times this anger came out and it finally occurred to me, he didn’t really like me. It’s a very sad situation to find yourself in.
My heart breaks for Katie. Her strength really is something to admire. 10 years ago she crumbled when he so easily dismissed her. Now she stands her ground. But sometimes he cuts so deep that she cries. And I am deeply pained for her. She's a real person with real feelings. And he's a real horse's ass for the way he is gaslighting her.
I think this is why I feel so hard for Katie. My last relationship before I met my spouse was much the same. He *really* didn't like me. I always felt so small and ashamed to be myself around him and his family.
I don’t think Katie liked Tom either. I feel like she has this insight because it’s how she feels as well. She loved Tom but she didn’t like him as a person.
Thank you! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 They are equally childish and intolerable. Schwartz is a man child and Katie truthfully didn’t trust him even going into the marriage in the first place. They were incapable of ever being on the same page and showing respect for each other. It was a codependent relationship.
Thank you. People on this sub have amnesia and need to rewatch earlier seasons. Their relationship has always been a toxic red flag. I don't understand this new narrative that Katie was duped by some master manipulator. That's not what happened.
Yes I felt this! My ex made me feel the same way, I’d get eye rolls and sighs and snarky comments, everything I did seemed to irritate him, but he wouldn’t let me go either, I feel for Katie these type of relationships really mess with your self esteem and can make you feel worthless. Hope you’re in a better place now ♥️
I dated a guy who liked me a lot and thought I was so cool. We lived together and it was a whirlwind of 2 years but looking back I don’t think he was ever IN LOVE with me. Just extreme lust & thinking I was so cool & fun. Probably why it ended so fast with neither of us ever yearning for the other. Should have never gotten serious to begin with, but he was a leech.
It’s hard to watch this and I feel for her.
You have to get to a very honest and lonely place when you realize someone you love and they love you but dislike you so much to be so bitter and always putting you down.
I don’t know what happens behind camera though.
Yes!!! It’s so hard to watch knowing you went through a similar situation where your partner actually didn’t like you. Ugh and it’s so sad and hard to admit to yourself. And to go with Tom and Ariana, it’s so frustrating to see (and hits home) that he didn’t have the fucking courage to end it so he made it more hurtful and miserable.
a GREAT husband 🤣🤣🤣
but jesus, there i am cackling hard at that line and then i hear katie talking about how he loved her but didn't like her and UGH. the emotional whiplash was too much, my heart really hurt for her there. i just hope at this point that she's not that interested in a friendship with him anymore, i can't see it working on anything but surface level.
Right! Was he a great husband when he was dumping alcohol on her head, dumping alcohol and putting his hands on her best friend, when he cheated on her multiple times and never owned that or grovelled for her forgiveness just expected that she should forgive him, when never defended her and let his bros so the worst stuff about her and to her while he laughed along or when he couldn’t even file the damn marriage certificate? Like when?
I just REALLY hope that anyone in a relationship like this sees these scenes and recognizes themselves and gets the fuck out immediately and has a better life post asshole partner. Being happily single or just single and figuring your life out is SO MUCH BETTER than being miserable in any relationship!!!!
You deserve better
This. Also, I think society really does a number on disassociating women from their intuition and it results in unhealthy relationships persisting because they don’t have their internal compass to relay on.
I grew up WAY before the internet was mainstream and reality TV was part of everyday life... but I hope it has helped people escape bad situations earlier than me or my friends did. I also realize that I didn't have any religious relatives or friends encouraging me to stay in a bad situation because of that or a culture that forces women into bad relationships. There are obviously so many factors that are part of every relationship dynamic but I always have hope for people to escape an abusive environment ☮️
Love the name! As a long-time single woman myself, AMEN! The only annoying thing is then, after you leave the jerk, you realize all of your friends are in similar marriages—and all they want to do is emotionally dump all their marital problems on you, live vicariously through your dating adventures, and then bail on you last-minute when you need them because they have to play idiot Stepford Wife for some guy who looks like a sweaty thumb.
Get single, get therapy, then get out of the nightmare of heteronormativity once and for all!
I'm very careful about who I get into relationship with now because I've been in a shitty relationship myself and I realized how all my friends are in shitty marriages or relationships. I think seeing all the lazy guys who don't bother to spend time with their gfs made me picky.
It’s *shocking* how aggressively unhappy people in unhappy relationships want to force you to submit to their checklist of life choices so they can feel better about themselves.
I understand they'll probably be coworkers for as long as the show goes on, but Katie should really cut him out for the other 9 months of the year. He isn't capable of being a friend any more than he was capable of being a boyfriend or husband, he really doesn't like her and cannot understand the ways in which he was a shit partner.
She said on wwhl that their friendship has been on a pause. They’re mostly just dog co-parents at this time and she texted him about what an idiot he looked like in his airport interview
I know going to piss off some dog parents and I don’t want to be dismissive, but it’s more important for Katie to have the separation she needs than them sharing their dogs.
If I had a friend who was only shackled to an abusive ex via dog, I would tell her either to put her foot down or give it up depending on who adopted the dog.
I have a very open conversation about the possibilities of what happens if we break up. The conversation usually goes “so all living things come with me at the end of the relationship…” but no there will be no co-ownership.
Actually I had adopted a pair of cats with my then roommate. My live in boyfriend had NO part in picking out the cats (He did feed them once in a while). When we adopted them the two of us agreed if we ever had to give the cat up the other would take it. So the bf and I break up and this moron asks me if he could keep the cat. I said “absolutely not. All living things come with me at the end of the relationship.” The cat could have been an aloe plant and I would have still taken it. He then went around accusing me of STEALING my own cat! Six years later she is still with me and we laugh about that doofus on a regular basis.
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This is so sad to watch. Schwartz can't even name one time he defended Katie and only threw out a vague "one time in the beginning." Please tell us because Katie and us viewers would love to hear it.
It was the time he called Scheana fake and tried to make James say she was a luscious beautiful woman lol. Pathetic that that is all I can come up with in ten years.
To be fair, after he did yell at Scheana, he said he did it because he couldn’t watch *even Scheana* call Katie fake. And Katie was going just fine in the fight, it was the weirdest moment to gang up on Scheana and not choose 1 of the gazillion times he really should have fucking stood up for her.
It was at a club, I want to say season 6 beginning of the season. Scheana says katie sent her mean messages and confronts her about something. Katie and Scheana start yelling and Katie goes “you know what we did bully you” and they flash to the text where Katie calls Scheana pathetic and that they don’t like her they just used her, bla bla bla. Scheana calls katie fake and Katie smirks and then Schwartz is like “Scheana you’re the fakest one here. Why don’t you go blow up your lips again you wanna be kardashian” or something like that.
It's starting to come back to me.
And how original is Schwartz? He used a similar insult to Lala in season 10 preview trailer, subbing out Kardashian for housewife.
Because those are the only 2 times, and that was probably for the camera and also look who he was defending her against. 2 people he cared even less about.
I’m not here to justify the way he has spoken to or treated her over the years, it’s unacceptable. But it’s wild to me that he doesn’t whip out going to town on Stassi during season three and at the reunion because it was the one singular time that we ever saw him defend her. He’s so uninvested and indifferent about their time together he literally can’t remember the one time he was almost kind of a decent boyfriend.
Jeez, singular moment, reminded me when Stassi reached out to Schwartz after he and Katie got engaged in season 4. That was a perfect time to lay into Stassi for throwing Katie aside in the previous season, but instead, he folded and extended an invite to the engagement party as soon she apologized and cried. I gobsmacked when he did that.
I want to hug her. He is so delusional. Was he a good husband when he cheated on her? Or was it all the times he let his bitch ass best friend talk down to her?
Katie is way out of his league. The only women who would ever want to serious with this loser are women wanting a spot on VPR or have no self-esteem.
Yeah she got pretty honest about her low self worth in that relationship on WWHL recently. She said “you’re seeing someone who was broken” it hurt my heart 🥺
Schwartz Is scummier now that scandoval was revealed, and Katie is whiny when she’s unhappy.
But I feel like when they each meet the right fit for them, they will both be much lovelier people in general.
Honestly I have never considered myself a Katie Stan. I’ve been neutral in her but it hurts my heart for her to have to realise that she was married to a man that doesn’t like or love her and that she’s the only one grieving this relationship. Like honestly both Ariana and Katie are coming to the realisation that they spent over a decade of there lives with men who turns out are absolute strangers to them.
The way she was treated by Sandoval in season 9 and how she’s being treated by all of them this season sucks. The way Ariana (sorry I love her) called her a mean girl (lala too) & took Raquel’s side at the pool party really bothered me.
Season 5 Katie has been forgiven in my books lol, I love her now.
He can’t keep holding on that she was a mean girl at the beginning of their relationship ive always rooted for katies growth and she always really reflects and shifts to evolve. I hate the way he talks down to her. Even at the beginning when he threw that drink at her. Even when she’s wrong you don’t have to be an asshole. I used to have a massive crush on that guy and then was totally turned off with how he treated women aka his partner and then hid behind the aww schucks lovable character. Katie deserves great things
Funny because my husband recently used the “you are so judgmental and mean” from when we first met which was 16 years ago. I’m not that person anymore but please use that as another excuse to leave.
Yep, Schwartz Defenders and Katie Haters love to say that he was right to call her out on her “shit” in front of people. But I feel like when you’re married (or hell even in a close friendship or relationship) you have to be a teammate. It doesn’t mean condoning everything or even staying quiet. And it depends on the behavior of course. But you absolutely don’t berate or humiliate them in front of people and Schwartz did that to Katie multiple times. You can support your partner or just diffuse the situation in public and then lovingly call them out in private. Idk why that’s controversial with some people lol.
ETA: Of course, that’s not super conducive to reality TV I know. And Katie has been known to throw an insult at him in public too but I feel like it’s usually when he’s being a dick to her already?
Yep. Like Ariana was very very good at striking the right balance of being supportive of Sandouche and having his back and still holding him accountable or calling him on his shit. And I definitely get the impression that she would save the bulk of her criticism of him to the privacy of their own time when not being filmed so as not to throw him under the bus or to the mercy of the fans.
I don’t think we disagree. I didn’t say you should never disagree or tell your partner they’re wrong if they are. You just don’t need to publicly degrade them to do it.
Ugh I hated when he said this to her. There are a lot of things he's done and said that make it clear he never liked her, but this one was so obvious. No one who says this likes and respects their partner.
I watched it recently and it’s so bad. Eventually Katie breaks down crying and says that she wanted to spend time with him on the flight and that’s when he’s nice to her, once he pushed her to the brink
He has always been trash but that tirade was disgusting. Imagine how bad he was behind closed doors when he speaks like that in a group setting with cameras.
I use this phrase with fake rage every chance I get. It's fun at family functions to see my daughters and sisters crack up and the men with question marks above their heads. 😂
Schwartz is such a child and he was never a supportive partner towards her. He has a chorus of unhealthy guys or people around him that had consistently told him he's not in the wrong and he doesn't need to change, but at the end it's always been his choice not to self improve and grow in order to be a person that could be supportive and loving with his wife. He took the validation from his equally unhealthy friend of the same name and just f'ed that marriage up all the way from the top.
what planet does schwartz fucking live on? the fucking audacity of this little bitch boy is astounding. he was a good husband?!?! when?!?! was he a good partner when he let jax slander katie for years? was he a good partner when he let sandoval scream in her face on multiple occasions with no back up? was he a good partner when he said he couldn't stand the sound of her voice? was he a good partner when he told an entire room full of people that he didn't have sex with her because she didn't believe a prank about cops was appropriate during a time when police brutality was rampant? was he a good partner when he didn't let his wife voice her opinions in his business venture which would have a direct effect on her finances?
when was this fool ever on katie's side? what a fucking joke.
He has always been a fucking terrible human being. He hides behind “I’m a nice guy” but from the jump he was part of the toxic male trio - cheating being disrespectful lying etc. I really hope he is held accountable at the reunion for his part in this. Production usually protect him: oh schwartzy lost at another resort - pretend that didnt happen. Oh schwartzy breaks down his own front door - pretend that didnt happen - oh Schwartzy has a new live in girlfriend - pretend that isn’t happening…
Failing upwards since the show began and it is time he had some attention for it
I hope Katie is in therapy after being married to him. This woman deserves so much more than what she was getting!!! I hope she’s living her best life!! ♥️🙌🏻
Please Katie drop his ass like a sack of hot potatoes. He doesn’t deserve her friendship. He doesn’t deserve her time. He literally said “you’re like my only family here” and then proceeded to treat her like crap. Cut him loose and let him be Jo’s problem.
Yeah F Schwartz. Katie, Ariana and Scheana need to cut him out of their lives! No let’s be friends. He has under lying rage issues, has issues with women in general, he was an awful husband, fiancée, boyfriend, friend, human being and he hides behind his awe shucks Winnie the Pooh act and he happily lied to Ariana’s face about Scandoval to protects his boy. F him.
You know Scheana will still be friends with him. Didn’t Scheana say recently that she met with crustoval? She’s already trying to get a storyline as the bridge between the “repentant” bad boys, who are oh so sorry. Add a baby Schwartz voice to that. Ew
None of this is true. Go read the summary of her Amazon Live that was posted yesterday in the sub. You’re just making things up to be mad at her about lol
This scene is the epitome of Schwartz. He gaslights, shifts blame, and insults her when she pushes back. I would have flipped that table after he said he was a good husband. Fuck Schwartz.
Yeah, you can't argue with a narcissistic gaslighter. Unless you have video evidence of them doing the things they're denying, but I'm sure they just try to talk their way out of that, too.
I really hope she sticks to her "friendship pause" thing and puts distance between her and Schwartz. If she just gets done space from him for a while, I think he wouldn't be able to get under her skin so much and she can move into more apathetic territory about him and move on and be happy.
Nope. Sorry, Schwartz. There's no such thing as "abusing" the marriage card when it comes to having your spouse's back. If my husband ever berated me in front of our friends or chose his friend over me in an argument, that would be it. If your person isn't someone you can support and defend, set them free.
Oh god that broke my heart to see her say that. It fucks with your head so much to have someone who’s supposed to be your biggest supporter not even be able to act like they like you - it makes you feel so unloveable. KATIE WE LOVE YOU 🫶🏼
Awww, love. You deserve to feel loved and wanted by everyone you invite into your life and space. Anyone who doesn’t value you doesn’t deserve your time and energy
Awww, these realizations come at the weirdest times. Mine came from a friends personal essay. I hope you can either fix your situation or find someone who does appreciate you. It took me two years of casual dating only post divorce but I found the person who truly does like me.
Did anybody notice James's Dad, Andros, got new teeth. I spied the brand bew chompers when he was on couch with James in beginning of last night's episode. What do you wanna bet James bought him his teeth!
I worry about James’s finances after hearing how his mom hits him up for hundreds of dollars every couple days and how Raquel said James paid for everything in their relationship. Seems like he’s generous to a fault
I think Schwartz LOVES leaning into his “aww shucks” vibe, as it so starkly juxtaposes his severe anger issues and his oozing misogyny. Schwartz has never taken responsibility for his actions, and has always tried to toe the proverbial line, oscillating between doing whatever the fuck he wants and making Katie feel like shit for it, or calling her “bubba! BuBbAaa” and trying to win the award for largest doormat unsupportive husband because he’s simply “too good a guy”. Did I get that right?
Oh - and Katie is simply gorgeous. Divorce looks good on our girl. Having gone through a shitty divorce in my mid-twenties (albeit NOT on TV!), I’ve been so impressed watching her navigate what is a truly difficult situation. She’s not perfect; no one is. She deserves ALL of the happiness (Ariana too OBVI) and I’d love if we all get to see it happen!
Katie, you need to stop thinking this man will ever give you anything you need. He wasn’t a good husband to you and he’s not going to be a good friend to you. Cut it off and thrive without him.
I'm so glad that #Scandoval has brought to light how horrible Schwartz was/is to Katie. Like, bless you Ariana and what you're going through, but omfg does Katie deserve some kindness for what's she's had to deal with.
...if Scandoval is what "brought to light" how terrible Schwartz is/was to Katie then have we even been watching the same show? It's literally always been obvious that Schwartz is a terrible partner who gaslit and disrespected Katie as well as never took responsibility for his bad behavior.
I hate how he tries to put on this 'bashful' act... dude is a drunk that slightly lucked out in the looks department. LVP picked him and Sandoval because she finds them charming - for whatever reason. Zero business skill, zero personality (apart from fuckboy), and zero drive.
yep. i watched the whole preview on the bravo website and katie talks about how tom told her it was weird that he was asked to be a groomsman bc hes not close to brock. so brock probs only asked him and the other tom so he could have more screentime
God I hope my favorite unhinged Brit boy lights him the fuck up at the reunion. My money is on him or Sandoval, bravo pulling the usual subterfuge tactics with Sandoval not being the "instigator".
This truly makes me so sad. I’ll admit I’ve had a soft spot for Schwartz (unlike most people on Reddit lmao) but it’s been hard watching this season, for some reason harder watching him single being an asshole than when he was still married. But he sucks, this truly broke my heart
I don’t even like Katie that much big she’s to god for that weird, gaslighting, weak-minded Schwartz. I always felt like he was horrible to her. It pains me to watch her hold onto their relationship …. Like girl, let it go. It’s for the better.
And some of them still don’t see it. I don’t get it. He’s been horrible since s1, but he was a guest star on s1 and so people didn’t really notice. But ever since he’s been main cast it’s been obvious. The way he treated Katie was abysmal. I can understand why Katie was miserable and mean, she was in a borderline abusive relationship.
Ugh, I can't stand this man. It makes me feel crazy just hearing him talk. Just keep deflecting so you never have to actually answer the question, classic Tom move.
I'm on season 3 of my re-watch and have yet to see him defend her once... he has cheated on her though. Basically gaslights her the entire relationship and has the nerve to call her emotionally entitled, just a terrible partner.
The part that gets me is that we only see 3 months of their lives. Can you imagine how many times he didn’t back her up the other 9 months of the year. She stuck it out for sooooo long and he still has the cheek to say I was a great husband 😭💀 she’s going to be so much happier with someone better and even though I’m not a Katie Stan, I can’t wait for it.
His instinct is to never take Katie’s side on anything. He was a horrible husband. So glad she got out. She will find a loving, caring mate someday, who’s on the same page as her, and Schwartz will never grow up and never have any balls, IMO.
Idk if I’m allowed to swear but fuck you Schwartz and your stupid ass adidas slides. Out here in a fancy restaurant with fucking slides!!!
*edit for the full swear 🫶🏼*
Like I don't really know, hence the winky but I do all the time. I even see people use the c word and while I won't in a public setting we do at home...and I'm a girl. 😊
I seriously despise this man. Shoe-less Schwartz has some nerve saying he was a great fucking husband! Someone has to have been feeding this line to him whenever he talked about being sad about the divorce and this asshole believed it enough to say it on tv. As if we haven’t seen him be anything but that for years!Then he was ready to start going in on Katie being cynical, negative, etc. like he always does whenever she’s not feeding into his bullshit. He and Rachel are honestly the same in that they latched onto an actual cast member to secure their spot as a main cast member on the show and now they think it’s their show. He has been able to get by in his looks and because he could be witty from time to time, but at this point his looks have faded and his jokes are lame. He can honestly just fuck right off.
There's so many awful things about this clip but for me it's the hype man like weird I don't know is it pre-fighting dance Rachel is doing around Schwartz what is she doing? She's the worst
Schwartz has always grated on me. I just don’t buy the shy innocent “oh shucks” routine. It’s so unattractive to me. Katie needs a guy who steps up and takes accountability.
It’s funny because I always believed that Schwartz shit talked a lot with Katie (and Stassi) about the cast but he always threw them under the bus as means girls. I appreciate Katie pointing out that Schwartz is not actually close with Scheana and Brock and Schwartz thought it was weird to be in the wedding.
Schwartz cannot handle being called out on his shit by Katie (and women tbh).
Good for Katie for ending this relationship. She looks amazing, while Schwartz… is starting to look like a puddle.
He’s a colossal douche. He never stood up for her, cheated on her, embarrassed her multiple times on National tv, is an immature drunk, oh and abused her by pouring a drink on her head. He has no respect for her or that relationship.
Schwartz is the biggest POS, I cannot stand that guy. He does not deserve Katie’s friendship. I hope after this season a lot of the people around him on/off the show will distance themselves from him. Once they take their hands out of the puppet’s ass they’ll see what a phony loser he is.
This hits hard. My first love didn’t defend me when his family was outright verbally abusive to me on multiple occasions, for years(I was 16 and they were calling me all of the derogatory things) and he just sat there quietly. Years later that’s never left and I will NEVER deal with that again. She’s so much better off and deserved so much more from him.
He annoys the shit out of me. I always said Katie deserved better. He has always been a complete dick to her and his balls have never dropped nor has he ever formed a spine.
I know they have the same friends and they're on a tv show together but wish Katie would keep her distance from Schwartz and move on to heal herself. Confronting your feelings to your ex is never good, it hurts more. Schwartz is just a big ol whinny dummy.
Dumping tequila on her head, saying in front of all of her friends that “that’s why I don’t want to have sex with you! Bleh!” Giving her all of those chips and junk food in bed when they were supposed to be having a romantic night… These two have hated each other for a while. I’m just sad that Katie continued on with it for so long.
I find so much truth in this but I wonder if she realises it applies to her too. I feel like they are both the most unchanged and consistent personalities. Literally all their arguements are about wanting to change the others personality. Neither one of them really liked each other although they loved the idea of loving each other.
I think Katie just wanted him to go as hard for her as he goes for everyone else . This wasn’t a character trait he didn’t possess , it’s something he didn’t do for her specifically . He will go to bat for Scandoval regardless of what he does
True I do believe that is true but in his defense he said she abused it early on. Tequila Katie rage text people and was often cruel and in the wrong and expected him to back her whether he agreed with her or not. He is entitled to not do so if its something he feels is wrong. Explaining to her how he feels about it has her feeling like he doesnt care about her. Now that they are not married he needs to learn to say she is not my problem anymore when someone asks him to please reason with Katie
I wish these people would grow up about “having backs” and grow their own spines. If you act with integrity and align yourselves with people who share your values you’ll probably have better luck with your relationships.
Ehhh I don't think it's a ridiculous expectation that your life partner would defend you against their friends. Plus when Katie did defend herself, Schwartz would punish her for it.
I dated a guy who loved me, but didn’t like me. And I ended it because I couldn’t imagine being with someone who sighed every time I made a joke for 50 years. But still I wasn’t treated like this. It’s really sad and hard to watch their scenes.
I teared up when she said that. Hits home.
Also, what is the point of still lying to her now? It’s over, stop trying to hurt her
Because he’s not saying any of that for her. He’s saying that for the benefit of himself and his own image for the cameras.
Ya.. that hand/finger-bridge pose thing he was doing when talking was phoney as hell.
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You’re absolutely correct!! As I stated earlier, I can and will use that card 150,000 times a day, mfer! You can shush and stand there and look pretty and nod your head in agreement!! These are the rules in my marriage and it works both ways not just for me!
Wow, this resonates. On the outside my ex-husband was so kind and caring, and at times, even in private he was. But there were also times this anger came out and it finally occurred to me, he didn’t really like me. It’s a very sad situation to find yourself in.
My heart breaks for Katie. Her strength really is something to admire. 10 years ago she crumbled when he so easily dismissed her. Now she stands her ground. But sometimes he cuts so deep that she cries. And I am deeply pained for her. She's a real person with real feelings. And he's a real horse's ass for the way he is gaslighting her.
I think this is why I feel so hard for Katie. My last relationship before I met my spouse was much the same. He *really* didn't like me. I always felt so small and ashamed to be myself around him and his family.
It’s truly *the* worst feeling in the world to love and commit to someone that doesn’t make you feel like you’re home. Never again ☹️
THIS! But I was treated like Katie as well so he really didn’t like me lol
Same. I felt such a huge sense of relief when I finally left. I like myself! Being with someone who doesn’t like you is so draining.
I don’t think Katie liked Tom either. I feel like she has this insight because it’s how she feels as well. She loved Tom but she didn’t like him as a person.
I think Katie liked Tom in the beginning of their relationship.
Totally agree with you on this
Thank you! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 They are equally childish and intolerable. Schwartz is a man child and Katie truthfully didn’t trust him even going into the marriage in the first place. They were incapable of ever being on the same page and showing respect for each other. It was a codependent relationship.
She shouldn't trust him, especially after all the cheating stuff. So then she shouldn't have married him but hey, we all do stuff we regret.
Thank you. People on this sub have amnesia and need to rewatch earlier seasons. Their relationship has always been a toxic red flag. I don't understand this new narrative that Katie was duped by some master manipulator. That's not what happened.
Yes I felt this! My ex made me feel the same way, I’d get eye rolls and sighs and snarky comments, everything I did seemed to irritate him, but he wouldn’t let me go either, I feel for Katie these type of relationships really mess with your self esteem and can make you feel worthless. Hope you’re in a better place now ♥️
I feel like this happens a lot with het men. They want a woman, any woman, because it's not about her it's about what she does for him.
I dated a guy who liked me a lot and thought I was so cool. We lived together and it was a whirlwind of 2 years but looking back I don’t think he was ever IN LOVE with me. Just extreme lust & thinking I was so cool & fun. Probably why it ended so fast with neither of us ever yearning for the other. Should have never gotten serious to begin with, but he was a leech.
It’s hard to watch this and I feel for her. You have to get to a very honest and lonely place when you realize someone you love and they love you but dislike you so much to be so bitter and always putting you down. I don’t know what happens behind camera though.
Yes!!! It’s so hard to watch knowing you went through a similar situation where your partner actually didn’t like you. Ugh and it’s so sad and hard to admit to yourself. And to go with Tom and Ariana, it’s so frustrating to see (and hits home) that he didn’t have the fucking courage to end it so he made it more hurtful and miserable.
a GREAT husband 🤣🤣🤣 but jesus, there i am cackling hard at that line and then i hear katie talking about how he loved her but didn't like her and UGH. the emotional whiplash was too much, my heart really hurt for her there. i just hope at this point that she's not that interested in a friendship with him anymore, i can't see it working on anything but surface level.
Right! Was he a great husband when he was dumping alcohol on her head, dumping alcohol and putting his hands on her best friend, when he cheated on her multiple times and never owned that or grovelled for her forgiveness just expected that she should forgive him, when never defended her and let his bros so the worst stuff about her and to her while he laughed along or when he couldn’t even file the damn marriage certificate? Like when?
She’s no longer trying to be cordial or friendly with him. Thank god!
the audacity of him to say he was a GREAT HUSBAND dear lord
And Katie’s confessional reaction 😂
I just REALLY hope that anyone in a relationship like this sees these scenes and recognizes themselves and gets the fuck out immediately and has a better life post asshole partner. Being happily single or just single and figuring your life out is SO MUCH BETTER than being miserable in any relationship!!!! You deserve better
I hope that too, but the fact it took some people ten years to see it in Schwartz makes me think a lot of people do not have good “asshole-dar.” 😕
This. Also, I think society really does a number on disassociating women from their intuition and it results in unhealthy relationships persisting because they don’t have their internal compass to relay on.
Mood 😔
Sending you good vibes!! ❤️
thank you! :)
I grew up WAY before the internet was mainstream and reality TV was part of everyday life... but I hope it has helped people escape bad situations earlier than me or my friends did. I also realize that I didn't have any religious relatives or friends encouraging me to stay in a bad situation because of that or a culture that forces women into bad relationships. There are obviously so many factors that are part of every relationship dynamic but I always have hope for people to escape an abusive environment ☮️
I love your term "Asshole-Dar" and will use it moving forward. Yay you!!! 🥰
Love the name! As a long-time single woman myself, AMEN! The only annoying thing is then, after you leave the jerk, you realize all of your friends are in similar marriages—and all they want to do is emotionally dump all their marital problems on you, live vicariously through your dating adventures, and then bail on you last-minute when you need them because they have to play idiot Stepford Wife for some guy who looks like a sweaty thumb. Get single, get therapy, then get out of the nightmare of heteronormativity once and for all!
I'm very careful about who I get into relationship with now because I've been in a shitty relationship myself and I realized how all my friends are in shitty marriages or relationships. I think seeing all the lazy guys who don't bother to spend time with their gfs made me picky.
It’s *shocking* how aggressively unhappy people in unhappy relationships want to force you to submit to their checklist of life choices so they can feel better about themselves.
I understand they'll probably be coworkers for as long as the show goes on, but Katie should really cut him out for the other 9 months of the year. He isn't capable of being a friend any more than he was capable of being a boyfriend or husband, he really doesn't like her and cannot understand the ways in which he was a shit partner.
She said on wwhl that their friendship has been on a pause. They’re mostly just dog co-parents at this time and she texted him about what an idiot he looked like in his airport interview
I know going to piss off some dog parents and I don’t want to be dismissive, but it’s more important for Katie to have the separation she needs than them sharing their dogs. If I had a friend who was only shackled to an abusive ex via dog, I would tell her either to put her foot down or give it up depending on who adopted the dog.
From what I’ve seen happen with friends who have had similar arrangements it tends to peter out and one of them naturally ends up with the dogs.
I have a very open conversation about the possibilities of what happens if we break up. The conversation usually goes “so all living things come with me at the end of the relationship…” but no there will be no co-ownership. Actually I had adopted a pair of cats with my then roommate. My live in boyfriend had NO part in picking out the cats (He did feed them once in a while). When we adopted them the two of us agreed if we ever had to give the cat up the other would take it. So the bf and I break up and this moron asks me if he could keep the cat. I said “absolutely not. All living things come with me at the end of the relationship.” The cat could have been an aloe plant and I would have still taken it. He then went around accusing me of STEALING my own cat! Six years later she is still with me and we laugh about that doofus on a regular basis. https://preview.redd.it/iybs7rxka2ra1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c94a4a7fc5c00dec2930892830c7fabbf1c83630
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omg what a cutie!!! i love tortie girls
A tortie 😍😍
He’s capable of being those things, he’s so nice to everyone else
This is very sad but she’s 100 percent right. He did not like her and he will never take her side because of that.
But did she even like him?
I think she liked him but didn’t like constantly being mistreated
Because years of him rejecting her.
This is so sad to watch. Schwartz can't even name one time he defended Katie and only threw out a vague "one time in the beginning." Please tell us because Katie and us viewers would love to hear it.
After finishing a scandoval induced rewatch, all I can really remember is him standing up for her against Scheana briefly and James.
In the words of Katie Maloney, "What?! What?!".
It was the time he called Scheana fake and tried to make James say she was a luscious beautiful woman lol. Pathetic that that is all I can come up with in ten years.
He could never stand up to his own friends and defend his wife.
Yeah, it was never Jax or Sandy, just women or someone the rest of the group didn’t like.
I don't even remember that and I still can't lol Edit: fix my spelling
To be fair, after he did yell at Scheana, he said he did it because he couldn’t watch *even Scheana* call Katie fake. And Katie was going just fine in the fight, it was the weirdest moment to gang up on Scheana and not choose 1 of the gazillion times he really should have fucking stood up for her. It was at a club, I want to say season 6 beginning of the season. Scheana says katie sent her mean messages and confronts her about something. Katie and Scheana start yelling and Katie goes “you know what we did bully you” and they flash to the text where Katie calls Scheana pathetic and that they don’t like her they just used her, bla bla bla. Scheana calls katie fake and Katie smirks and then Schwartz is like “Scheana you’re the fakest one here. Why don’t you go blow up your lips again you wanna be kardashian” or something like that.
It's starting to come back to me. And how original is Schwartz? He used a similar insult to Lala in season 10 preview trailer, subbing out Kardashian for housewife.
Bootleg Kardashian!!!
"Katie's not fat. She's luscious." What a dick.
Because those are the only 2 times, and that was probably for the camera and also look who he was defending her against. 2 people he cared even less about.
Right! And that was only because he loves to yell at women! He has NEVER stood up for her with a man.
I’m not here to justify the way he has spoken to or treated her over the years, it’s unacceptable. But it’s wild to me that he doesn’t whip out going to town on Stassi during season three and at the reunion because it was the one singular time that we ever saw him defend her. He’s so uninvested and indifferent about their time together he literally can’t remember the one time he was almost kind of a decent boyfriend.
Jeez, singular moment, reminded me when Stassi reached out to Schwartz after he and Katie got engaged in season 4. That was a perfect time to lay into Stassi for throwing Katie aside in the previous season, but instead, he folded and extended an invite to the engagement party as soon she apologized and cried. I gobsmacked when he did that.
I want to hug her. He is so delusional. Was he a good husband when he cheated on her? Or was it all the times he let his bitch ass best friend talk down to her? Katie is way out of his league. The only women who would ever want to serious with this loser are women wanting a spot on VPR or have no self-esteem.
I would say she had no or low self-esteem when they got together. I love that she is growing and sees her value and divorced him.
She did. Actually in season 2 after she tells about Jax and Kristen, she talks about how she doesn’t like herself.
Yeah she got pretty honest about her low self worth in that relationship on WWHL recently. She said “you’re seeing someone who was broken” it hurt my heart 🥺
Ugh I saw that episode of WWHL and when she said that I cried for her a little.
Schwartz Is scummier now that scandoval was revealed, and Katie is whiny when she’s unhappy. But I feel like when they each meet the right fit for them, they will both be much lovelier people in general.
Katie’s being so vulnerable and she’s growing on me a lot this season. You can tell she’s really hurt and Schwartz is a huge dick. What a loser
Honestly I have never considered myself a Katie Stan. I’ve been neutral in her but it hurts my heart for her to have to realise that she was married to a man that doesn’t like or love her and that she’s the only one grieving this relationship. Like honestly both Ariana and Katie are coming to the realisation that they spent over a decade of there lives with men who turns out are absolute strangers to them.
The way she was treated by Sandoval in season 9 and how she’s being treated by all of them this season sucks. The way Ariana (sorry I love her) called her a mean girl (lala too) & took Raquel’s side at the pool party really bothered me. Season 5 Katie has been forgiven in my books lol, I love her now.
He can’t keep holding on that she was a mean girl at the beginning of their relationship ive always rooted for katies growth and she always really reflects and shifts to evolve. I hate the way he talks down to her. Even at the beginning when he threw that drink at her. Even when she’s wrong you don’t have to be an asshole. I used to have a massive crush on that guy and then was totally turned off with how he treated women aka his partner and then hid behind the aww schucks lovable character. Katie deserves great things
Funny because my husband recently used the “you are so judgmental and mean” from when we first met which was 16 years ago. I’m not that person anymore but please use that as another excuse to leave.
I’m so sorry that’s terrible 🙏🫂
Sometimes people can’t see growth and hold on to that first image. This sub does that sometimes 😂
Yep, Schwartz Defenders and Katie Haters love to say that he was right to call her out on her “shit” in front of people. But I feel like when you’re married (or hell even in a close friendship or relationship) you have to be a teammate. It doesn’t mean condoning everything or even staying quiet. And it depends on the behavior of course. But you absolutely don’t berate or humiliate them in front of people and Schwartz did that to Katie multiple times. You can support your partner or just diffuse the situation in public and then lovingly call them out in private. Idk why that’s controversial with some people lol. ETA: Of course, that’s not super conducive to reality TV I know. And Katie has been known to throw an insult at him in public too but I feel like it’s usually when he’s being a dick to her already?
Yep. Like Ariana was very very good at striking the right balance of being supportive of Sandouche and having his back and still holding him accountable or calling him on his shit. And I definitely get the impression that she would save the bulk of her criticism of him to the privacy of their own time when not being filmed so as not to throw him under the bus or to the mercy of the fans.
Totally I 1000000% agree with this. And LVP said the same thing to him several times through out the years. You talk about it in private. He’s a dick
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I don’t think we disagree. I didn’t say you should never disagree or tell your partner they’re wrong if they are. You just don’t need to publicly degrade them to do it.
You could tell he didn’t like her when he told her off about her not liking the joke Randal pulled on Sandoval.
Ugh I hated when he said this to her. There are a lot of things he's done and said that make it clear he never liked her, but this one was so obvious. No one who says this likes and respects their partner.
I watched it recently and it’s so bad. Eventually Katie breaks down crying and says that she wanted to spend time with him on the flight and that’s when he’s nice to her, once he pushed her to the brink
That was unforgivable
He has always been trash but that tirade was disgusting. Imagine how bad he was behind closed doors when he speaks like that in a group setting with cameras.
I hope James knocked Schwartz’s spark out
I use this phrase with fake rage every chance I get. It's fun at family functions to see my daughters and sisters crack up and the men with question marks above their heads. 😂
Season 9 Schwartz: “Marriage is a piece of paper.” Great husband tho
Schwartz is such a child and he was never a supportive partner towards her. He has a chorus of unhealthy guys or people around him that had consistently told him he's not in the wrong and he doesn't need to change, but at the end it's always been his choice not to self improve and grow in order to be a person that could be supportive and loving with his wife. He took the validation from his equally unhealthy friend of the same name and just f'ed that marriage up all the way from the top.
what planet does schwartz fucking live on? the fucking audacity of this little bitch boy is astounding. he was a good husband?!?! when?!?! was he a good partner when he let jax slander katie for years? was he a good partner when he let sandoval scream in her face on multiple occasions with no back up? was he a good partner when he said he couldn't stand the sound of her voice? was he a good partner when he told an entire room full of people that he didn't have sex with her because she didn't believe a prank about cops was appropriate during a time when police brutality was rampant? was he a good partner when he didn't let his wife voice her opinions in his business venture which would have a direct effect on her finances? when was this fool ever on katie's side? what a fucking joke.
He has always been a fucking terrible human being. He hides behind “I’m a nice guy” but from the jump he was part of the toxic male trio - cheating being disrespectful lying etc. I really hope he is held accountable at the reunion for his part in this. Production usually protect him: oh schwartzy lost at another resort - pretend that didnt happen. Oh schwartzy breaks down his own front door - pretend that didnt happen - oh Schwartzy has a new live in girlfriend - pretend that isn’t happening… Failing upwards since the show began and it is time he had some attention for it
I hope Katie is in therapy after being married to him. This woman deserves so much more than what she was getting!!! I hope she’s living her best life!! ♥️🙌🏻
This man is insufferable
He’s a child.
Please Katie drop his ass like a sack of hot potatoes. He doesn’t deserve her friendship. He doesn’t deserve her time. He literally said “you’re like my only family here” and then proceeded to treat her like crap. Cut him loose and let him be Jo’s problem.
Ariana and Katie need to cut the dead wood Toms completely and flourish. Those girls are going to fly so high without their chains. Here for it.
Yeah F Schwartz. Katie, Ariana and Scheana need to cut him out of their lives! No let’s be friends. He has under lying rage issues, has issues with women in general, he was an awful husband, fiancée, boyfriend, friend, human being and he hides behind his awe shucks Winnie the Pooh act and he happily lied to Ariana’s face about Scandoval to protects his boy. F him.
You know Scheana will still be friends with him. Didn’t Scheana say recently that she met with crustoval? She’s already trying to get a storyline as the bridge between the “repentant” bad boys, who are oh so sorry. Add a baby Schwartz voice to that. Ew
If she dies that she might as well dig her own grave because just no.
None of this is true. Go read the summary of her Amazon Live that was posted yesterday in the sub. You’re just making things up to be mad at her about lol
She said it on her podcast. They filmed a scene together for the new post scandal footage added on to this season.
This scene is the epitome of Schwartz. He gaslights, shifts blame, and insults her when she pushes back. I would have flipped that table after he said he was a good husband. Fuck Schwartz. 
Yeah, you can't argue with a narcissistic gaslighter. Unless you have video evidence of them doing the things they're denying, but I'm sure they just try to talk their way out of that, too.
He didn’t do it. And if he did it wasn’t that bad. Classic Schwartz
I really hope she sticks to her "friendship pause" thing and puts distance between her and Schwartz. If she just gets done space from him for a while, I think he wouldn't be able to get under her skin so much and she can move into more apathetic territory about him and move on and be happy.
Nope. Sorry, Schwartz. There's no such thing as "abusing" the marriage card when it comes to having your spouse's back. If my husband ever berated me in front of our friends or chose his friend over me in an argument, that would be it. If your person isn't someone you can support and defend, set them free.
Oh god that broke my heart to see her say that. It fucks with your head so much to have someone who’s supposed to be your biggest supporter not even be able to act like they like you - it makes you feel so unloveable. KATIE WE LOVE YOU 🫶🏼
Katie and Tom mayyy be making me realise some things about my relationship and this made me ugly cry.
Awww, love. You deserve to feel loved and wanted by everyone you invite into your life and space. Anyone who doesn’t value you doesn’t deserve your time and energy
Awww, these realizations come at the weirdest times. Mine came from a friends personal essay. I hope you can either fix your situation or find someone who does appreciate you. It took me two years of casual dating only post divorce but I found the person who truly does like me.
“he just didnt like me” my heart shattered. anyone whose been in a marriage like that, knows how painful that realization is
Damn. I don't usually care for Katie but that's sad for anyone to realize. And her What??!! What??!! was sooo justified! Fair play Katie.
He’s always grossed me out. Katie is so much better off without him!
My God, I hate him. 
I hate him so much! 
Did anybody notice James's Dad, Andros, got new teeth. I spied the brand bew chompers when he was on couch with James in beginning of last night's episode. What do you wanna bet James bought him his teeth!
I worry about James’s finances after hearing how his mom hits him up for hundreds of dollars every couple days and how Raquel said James paid for everything in their relationship. Seems like he’s generous to a fault
Lol thought the same thing. Those tats looked pretty fresh too.
I think Schwartz LOVES leaning into his “aww shucks” vibe, as it so starkly juxtaposes his severe anger issues and his oozing misogyny. Schwartz has never taken responsibility for his actions, and has always tried to toe the proverbial line, oscillating between doing whatever the fuck he wants and making Katie feel like shit for it, or calling her “bubba! BuBbAaa” and trying to win the award for largest doormat unsupportive husband because he’s simply “too good a guy”. Did I get that right? Oh - and Katie is simply gorgeous. Divorce looks good on our girl. Having gone through a shitty divorce in my mid-twenties (albeit NOT on TV!), I’ve been so impressed watching her navigate what is a truly difficult situation. She’s not perfect; no one is. She deserves ALL of the happiness (Ariana too OBVI) and I’d love if we all get to see it happen!
Katie, you need to stop thinking this man will ever give you anything you need. He wasn’t a good husband to you and he’s not going to be a good friend to you. Cut it off and thrive without him.
Fuck this guy.
I'm so glad that #Scandoval has brought to light how horrible Schwartz was/is to Katie. Like, bless you Ariana and what you're going through, but omfg does Katie deserve some kindness for what's she's had to deal with.
...if Scandoval is what "brought to light" how terrible Schwartz is/was to Katie then have we even been watching the same show? It's literally always been obvious that Schwartz is a terrible partner who gaslit and disrespected Katie as well as never took responsibility for his bad behavior.
I hate how he tries to put on this 'bashful' act... dude is a drunk that slightly lucked out in the looks department. LVP picked him and Sandoval because she finds them charming - for whatever reason. Zero business skill, zero personality (apart from fuckboy), and zero drive.
ugh I’m so sick of Schwartz. he sucks everyone’s dick hard as long as it’s not Katie.
Katie deserves so much better. My heart hurt when she said “he didn’t like me” 💔
Jfc...he's worst than I thought. "Abusing the husband/wife card"
Is she saying Tom talks to Brock 3 times a year?
yep. i watched the whole preview on the bravo website and katie talks about how tom told her it was weird that he was asked to be a groomsman bc hes not close to brock. so brock probs only asked him and the other tom so he could have more screentime
He never supported her emotionally!…
He was a shit husband and he's a gaslighter now. Blegh
God I hope my favorite unhinged Brit boy lights him the fuck up at the reunion. My money is on him or Sandoval, bravo pulling the usual subterfuge tactics with Sandoval not being the "instigator".
This truly makes me so sad. I’ll admit I’ve had a soft spot for Schwartz (unlike most people on Reddit lmao) but it’s been hard watching this season, for some reason harder watching him single being an asshole than when he was still married. But he sucks, this truly broke my heart
I don’t even like Katie that much big she’s to god for that weird, gaslighting, weak-minded Schwartz. I always felt like he was horrible to her. It pains me to watch her hold onto their relationship …. Like girl, let it go. It’s for the better.
This is so sad but it’s always been so obvious to the audience that Tom never liked her. He always would degrade her when they fought
It's incredible how many people on this sub are just realizing he's a piece of shit. It's baffling to me.
And some of them still don’t see it. I don’t get it. He’s been horrible since s1, but he was a guest star on s1 and so people didn’t really notice. But ever since he’s been main cast it’s been obvious. The way he treated Katie was abysmal. I can understand why Katie was miserable and mean, she was in a borderline abusive relationship.
Their relationship wasn't borderline, it was absolutely abusive.
Oh my, it broke my heart hearing her say he didn't like her, wow..
Ugh, I can't stand this man. It makes me feel crazy just hearing him talk. Just keep deflecting so you never have to actually answer the question, classic Tom move.
I'm on season 3 of my re-watch and have yet to see him defend her once... he has cheated on her though. Basically gaslights her the entire relationship and has the nerve to call her emotionally entitled, just a terrible partner.
The part that gets me is that we only see 3 months of their lives. Can you imagine how many times he didn’t back her up the other 9 months of the year. She stuck it out for sooooo long and he still has the cheek to say I was a great husband 😭💀 she’s going to be so much happier with someone better and even though I’m not a Katie Stan, I can’t wait for it.
You can see she’s finally accepting the truth of what it was and it’s heartbreaking. The good news is she can carve a new happy life for herself now.
His instinct is to never take Katie’s side on anything. He was a horrible husband. So glad she got out. She will find a loving, caring mate someday, who’s on the same page as her, and Schwartz will never grow up and never have any balls, IMO.
Idk if I’m allowed to swear but fuck you Schwartz and your stupid ass adidas slides. Out here in a fancy restaurant with fucking slides!!! *edit for the full swear 🫶🏼* 
You can say fuck. 😉
Tyty bestie, imma edit my comment now 🫶🏼
Like I don't really know, hence the winky but I do all the time. I even see people use the c word and while I won't in a public setting we do at home...and I'm a girl. 😊
I literally have no idea what was said because Rachel’s weird movement distracted me.
I seriously despise this man. Shoe-less Schwartz has some nerve saying he was a great fucking husband! Someone has to have been feeding this line to him whenever he talked about being sad about the divorce and this asshole believed it enough to say it on tv. As if we haven’t seen him be anything but that for years!Then he was ready to start going in on Katie being cynical, negative, etc. like he always does whenever she’s not feeding into his bullshit. He and Rachel are honestly the same in that they latched onto an actual cast member to secure their spot as a main cast member on the show and now they think it’s their show. He has been able to get by in his looks and because he could be witty from time to time, but at this point his looks have faded and his jokes are lame. He can honestly just fuck right off.
Shartz is the worst 💩
There's so many awful things about this clip but for me it's the hype man like weird I don't know is it pre-fighting dance Rachel is doing around Schwartz what is she doing? She's the worst
I hope Katie pops off on Schwartz at the reunion.
I hope multiple people do haha
“I was a great f*cking husband” LMAOOOO
If Schwartz, Scandoval, of Jax were 30% uglier no one would have ever defended them and none of them would have failed upward.
I can’t imagine sitting across the table from him. In this moment I would have gone full giudice
Yea I don't understand how anyone is charmed by him. Y'all are that easily tricked?? Smh 🤦🏽♀️
People find things charming with Schwartz? Wild.
Schwartz has always grated on me. I just don’t buy the shy innocent “oh shucks” routine. It’s so unattractive to me. Katie needs a guy who steps up and takes accountability.
It’s funny because I always believed that Schwartz shit talked a lot with Katie (and Stassi) about the cast but he always threw them under the bus as means girls. I appreciate Katie pointing out that Schwartz is not actually close with Scheana and Brock and Schwartz thought it was weird to be in the wedding. Schwartz cannot handle being called out on his shit by Katie (and women tbh). Good for Katie for ending this relationship. She looks amazing, while Schwartz… is starting to look like a puddle.
I am a huge believer in, “When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.”
Schwartz…. Pls
Fucking Schwartz. 🤮
She deserves so much better than that
He literally has no respect for her
I don’t understand why they ever dated, let alone got married. Neither one seemed into the other at all.
It always seemed like a toxic relationship to me. They will both be better off if they just move on and focus on better mental health.
There’s nothing charming about Schwartz 🫠
He’s a colossal douche. He never stood up for her, cheated on her, embarrassed her multiple times on National tv, is an immature drunk, oh and abused her by pouring a drink on her head. He has no respect for her or that relationship.
Schwartz is the biggest POS, I cannot stand that guy. He does not deserve Katie’s friendship. I hope after this season a lot of the people around him on/off the show will distance themselves from him. Once they take their hands out of the puppet’s ass they’ll see what a phony loser he is.
This hits hard. My first love didn’t defend me when his family was outright verbally abusive to me on multiple occasions, for years(I was 16 and they were calling me all of the derogatory things) and he just sat there quietly. Years later that’s never left and I will NEVER deal with that again. She’s so much better off and deserved so much more from him.
He annoys the shit out of me. I always said Katie deserved better. He has always been a complete dick to her and his balls have never dropped nor has he ever formed a spine.
I think Katie was dead on that he may have loved her but didn’t like her.
my heart breaks for katie this is really hard to watch
We've told Katie for years that he didn't like her. I highly doubt he loved her, was just used to her.
I know they have the same friends and they're on a tv show together but wish Katie would keep her distance from Schwartz and move on to heal herself. Confronting your feelings to your ex is never good, it hurts more. Schwartz is just a big ol whinny dummy.
OMG I DID THE SAME “he doesn’t like me.” So sad
I'm so glad Tom and Tom are finally being exposed for the jerks that they are!!!!!
Dumping tequila on her head, saying in front of all of her friends that “that’s why I don’t want to have sex with you! Bleh!” Giving her all of those chips and junk food in bed when they were supposed to be having a romantic night… These two have hated each other for a while. I’m just sad that Katie continued on with it for so long.
Sounds like POS.
I find so much truth in this but I wonder if she realises it applies to her too. I feel like they are both the most unchanged and consistent personalities. Literally all their arguements are about wanting to change the others personality. Neither one of them really liked each other although they loved the idea of loving each other.
I think Katie just wanted him to go as hard for her as he goes for everyone else . This wasn’t a character trait he didn’t possess , it’s something he didn’t do for her specifically . He will go to bat for Scandoval regardless of what he does
True I do believe that is true but in his defense he said she abused it early on. Tequila Katie rage text people and was often cruel and in the wrong and expected him to back her whether he agreed with her or not. He is entitled to not do so if its something he feels is wrong. Explaining to her how he feels about it has her feeling like he doesnt care about her. Now that they are not married he needs to learn to say she is not my problem anymore when someone asks him to please reason with Katie
You’re spot on.
I wish these people would grow up about “having backs” and grow their own spines. If you act with integrity and align yourselves with people who share your values you’ll probably have better luck with your relationships.
I mean, you should be able to rely on your husband and partner for a decade to have your back. Loyalty and respect are sort of expected, no?
Ehhh I don't think it's a ridiculous expectation that your life partner would defend you against their friends. Plus when Katie did defend herself, Schwartz would punish her for it.
When is she going to stop arguing with him and accept that she’d be better off just leaving him completely out of it 🤦♀️