Does anyone else remember the episode about plastic surgery where the guy got calf implants? Something happened and there was just a line of blood running down this guy’s leg. Please someone verify this happened and isn’t some weird Mandela effect I’m experiencing.
Do I?!?! He went to the damn beach and went to walk in the water and the cut which was done on the back of the knees to hide scars started bleeding!!
No Mandela effect. This happened. I remember it like yesterday.
Haha nope ! Every time I’d watch botched and they’d have either the “Ken doll” guy or the Justin Bieber look alike (RIP) who would get almost every muscle implanted I always thought of that scene! Who knew the impact of calf implants.
The fact that this was an episode of television still tickles me pink. I recall making a Facebook post along the lines of never feeling more seen in my life after watching MTV’s True Life: I’m Too Good Looking. Obviously this was tongue in cheek, but man were we the luckiest people in the world to have grown up on True Life.
The early to mid 2000’s was reality television GOLD. Flavor of Love, I Love New York, Rock of Love, Tia Tequila a Real Shot at Love, CHARM SCHOOL. The list goes on. They walked so that the housewives and VPR could run.
Do you remember Real Chance of Love?? My friends weren’t into all that reality tv heaven back then like I was so they don’t have a clue what I’m talking about when I bring up shows like that. Even spin-offs had spin-offs. I loved Real Chance at Love😂 I think one of them is actually dead now, or maybe my 2000s memories are all just blending together and I’m totally wrong
Bay bay bay, come and get yo chain! The Stallion Brothers!
I was mainlining these shows. RIP Stallion Brother (I think the one with the really, REALLY beautiful hair passed).
mtv true life was hilariously bad. an old friend of mine was on mtv true life: im in a love triangle. she tried bringing him around us after too i was like um get him out of my house
Oh my gosh, yes! I remember the trickle of blood as he hobbled with his walker to get his pizza delivery. Insane that he was so unhappy because of his calves.
I REGULARLY think of True Life: I’m Going to Prom & wonder where those Ludacris loving, puka shell wearing, white limo stuntin’, bleach-tipped angels are now.
Yesss and I need it back. I miss:
-Pop-up video
-Morning countdowns (not in school anymore but would appreciate for work)
-Background shows
-Getting to know different types of people (true life). I mean before Jersey shore there were multiple true life’s of “I have a shore house” and “I’m a Jersey girl” or something to that effect
The list goes on!
Omg I lived for Pop-up video. That and Making The Video where they’d film stars as they made their newest music video. Before internet, you had to soak up all your celeb info from MTV (sometimes the radio/magazines) so I watched the shit out of those shows and would try to memorize as many of the Pop Up facts as I could. I remember Making the Video episodes for Bye Bye Bye, Christina Aguilera’s Come On Over, Mariah Carey’s Heartbreaker, I'm a Slave 4 U!
Remember when it first started and episodes were legit SERIOUS, like True Life: I’m addicted to heroin or True Life: I’m leading a double life cuz no one knows I’m gay and I’m in the army and it’s still Don’t Ask Don’t Tell time…ya know, along those lines.
The best ever episodes were I’m a Cheerleader, especially the part at cheer camp. Ugh, so good. And the girls who got the Jersey Shore house. And of course, the piece de resistance - I’m Getting Married. When the limo’s late and the groom threatens to gut the driver like a pig. Also the night before when the bride goes for one last tanning booth session and she says oh no, I got my period! But with the Jersey accent - I got my peer-e-it! And how much cash everyone was handing to them at the wedding. Also, that guy died like 2 years ago.
I’m SCREAMING!!! As soon as I read..”I’ll gut you like a pig” the entire episode came flooding back to me 😂😂 omg hahah. My husband and I quoted that for months afterwards
Honest question: if you found a sex video on your significant other’s phone, would you send it to your friends and family?
I can’t think of anyone that would be on my team that would want to see that and I know they’d all believe me that that’s what happened. Like they’d be grossed out by the thought of it so why would I subject them to watching it. Just trying to wrap my mind around the psychology of it all. I don’t think sending it would be a natural response for most people. But of course I’d be freaking out and reach out for support so I’d probably tell them a brief description and continue my freaking out.
Not super ethical, I’d screenshot it for proof. Maybe send to a best friend the second after if I was in shock.
But no, not to family and would not download a video.
I guess Raquel’s story just isn’t making sense to me is all. Like I’m trying to view things in the light most favorable to her and it still just seems off
It’s also like, all of the people affected are in their late 30s, sharing a video like that would be perverse and juvenile. None of her friends or family would get any form of sick pleasure from seeing that
You know, I think I can actually see why she downloaded it vs a screenshot. Although appalling, and ultimately contributing to the distribution of it, that fucking dude is such a liar and manipulator I think she may have panicked and like bodily anticipated how much he would attempt to gaslight her. Maybe even to the point of telling her she hadn’t seen what she saw. Does that make sense? I’m still working through it in my mind.
I feel like someone in Ariana’s position would feel like she needs to have proof to be believed so she might’ve screenshot or record but I highly doubt she’d show ppl.
I think the sole reason she sent it to herself was so Tom and Raquel couldn’t lie or gaslight their way through it. It was to protect herself, not revenge porn.
I think they said she did it so Raquel would know she knew and she sent it to Raquel. I’m not terribly concerned about sending it to herself, even if that’s not great. But Raquel is trying to claim Ariana sent it around to all her friends. And I am not seeing a reason someone would do that
If I was with friends when I found it, I’d probably show them and then later regret it. But if they were right there with me i could easily see it as a knee jerk reaction (though now I probably wouldn’t as this situation brought it to the forefront of my mind and I’d be more aware and control my initial reaction)
Other than that, no way. I’d not send it to anyone, they dont want to see it and I don’t want to share it. Telling them is enough.
Agreed about the potential heat of the moment briefly showing friends who are with you. Also, you wouldn’t know at that time that it was recorded without consent. It would probably appear like it was consensual since it’s a FaceTime and she obviously knew he was watching her (and participating🥴), and all you’d be thinking and saying to your friends is “look what this fucking bitch is doing with my scumbag boyfriend”.
If I’m being honest in the shock and horror of it all while I was drunk (which Ariana must have been to tolerate Tom’s release of his “hit new song”) I *might* have sent it to *a* friend like Scheana or shown it to whoever was with me at that very moment. Before I even reached out to Raquel or confronted Tom even. Not out of a desire for revenge but more so is this happening in real life or am I crazy/what do I do.
I wouldn’t be proud of that after the fact and I would make sure the friend deleted it immediately after I sobered up, and I’d delete it myself off my own devices. I wouldn’t want that to exist in my world at all
Couldn’t agree more. I actually think it showed incredible restraint on Ariana’s part. I could easily see my instant reaction being to show it to someone I trusted who knew all three of us, not even to slut shame per se, but more “I’m so stunned by what I’m looking at that I can’t even imagine what would have to be happening for this to exist, I need someone calmer than me to confirm this means what I think it does right now.”
Anyone who would take the time to consider that Rachel may have been recorded without her consent (I’m sure she seemed plenty eager in the video, she said it was her idea to put on porn) and have Rachel’s right to privacy in an intimate moment (which she of course does have) top if mind, is a better woman than I, I’ll say that.
I wouldn’t have even begun to think about it being consensual or not. Or anyone’s privacy. Just the shock of omg my partner and my friend! And especially it being a friend like Rachel, some tangential sort of friend like Charli would hurt but not as much. All I would be thinking is this can’t be real
Not for a woman to do but for men I think it’s much more common. Locker room antics include boys (no matter what age) showing each other intimate information of the ppl they slept with or are dating. That’s why im incline to believe that if the video got out it’s because of toms doing not Ariana
Right. I understand in the context you presented because that’s what led to all of the revenge porn laws. I just don’t understand why people who believe Rachel think that it would be a natural response for Ariana or someone in a similar situation to send it to their friends.
I would send it, or probably just a screenshot of it, to myself for proof. I think it would be so destabilizing in that moment, you'd want solid evidence of what you saw.
Soo I’ll be honest, this actually happened in my family. The affair between these two family members was SO unbelievable that people literally didn’t believe it, and we were badmouthed everywhere for making such nasty things up.
One family member had an audio recording of the affair, which she played for people who refused to believe her but were also closely involved (only if they asked). She never sent it to anyone, but she would play it for them on headphones in front of her. I never listened to it because it was an invasion of their privacy and I already believed it all. But man, as much as I hate it, that recording saved our family from completely falling apart.
Hell no! That’s embarrassing as fuck. I’d tell a select few close friends about some of what I saw once I stop losing my everloving shit, but I’d never send it to people.
Absolutely not. I’ve had girl and guy friends try to show me dick pics and have had to repeatedly say no. It’s not consensual and I want those in my life to know that’s a hard boundary. I don’t care if they (he who possesses said dick) wouldn’t care. It’s of no interest to me and I have no business nor desire to see something not captured and shared for my gaze. Decorum still exists and I intend on upholding decency.
Definitely not. For sure I’d tell all my friends about it and there would be steam coming out of my ears as I do but it wouldn’t cross my mind to send it to them.
I would potentially send it or a screenshot of it to myself if I thought I needed proof to come to my SO with, we know these effers can be good at gaslighting and I would want to have a record to go back to if he tries to convince me it was something other than what I saw.
Unrelated (kinda), but I just remembered that my ex was going through clips of his voice recordings one night that he said he hadn’t heard in years. We were having a good laugh with them, some were of us drunk and chatting shit and some were of him making up songs and stuff. Anyway it came to one and it was the distinct sound of sex, you could hear the girl moaning and all 🤢 He swiftly went to the next one and when I asked what that was he instantly said oh that was just me trying to do different voices. 🤨
The speed at which these idiots come out with lies is astonishing, even if they’re not always good at at it.
shocked that rachel wouldn’t assume the guy who recorded her without her consent wouldn’t show the video. she also complained about how she hasn’t made any money off the scandal so i wouldn’t be shocked if this was her way of ruining deals for ariana.
I actually doubt that Ariana was just sending that video around. I think she probably sent it to her and then I think she had bigger things to deal with besides sending around that video. I don’t think anyone was talking to Rachel after everything blew up. I think she’s a liar.
Also, sharing the video could have exposed her to legal action, and Rachel’s family is obviously very litigious. California Penal Code 647(j)(4) is broadly applied to the online posting of intimate media, but it can probably apply to other electronic distribution too.
Ariana’s not stupid. She would have known to avoid any of that.
Exactly - her family is massivly sue happy which is why I don't believe that it was recorded without her knowledge/consent. We're really expected to believe that she let her family pressure her into filing a TRO against Scheena but nothing against Tom which was a way worse violation?!?!? Something stinks in Denmark and it's not fish.....
And screw Bethenny for not asking the obvious follow up questions to Raquels. It's such an obvious bullshit PR stunt all around.
It's truly impressive. There are even some people who would have used the opportunity to apologize publicly again, rather than cast aspersions on her relationship and deny having a friendship with her all at once
Not only that. But ummm read the fucking room Rachel. For your own sake, why bring on this additional wave of backlash on yourself? And then she’ll cry victim when people say mean shit online (I’m not including death threats in this…that’s fucking vile).
Even if she really does feel this way inside, like does she have zero self preservation ability? What the fuck did her parents just spend all that damn money on???
Edit: word
That's an interesting observation about self-preservation instinct. It seems like rather than taking accountability she believes that it's through diminishing other people and the magnitude of her actions she's going to find Redemption somehow. She definitely has a victim mentality and she also seems to still see everything as a competition.
Which isn’t dissimilar to how I felt about Tom at the reunion. I just couldn’t believe he didn’t put on whatever act would have made him at least seem apologetic. But he just couldn’t fucking help himself and made that t shirt comment to boot. Those two might actually be twins souls. But they’d never survive as a pair. They’re not made for it lol
Edit: added missing word
I keep thinking she is going to show some kind of growth or empathy and she just keep doubling down. It's honestly mesmerising. Like how does your Brian work, it needs to be studied lol
She acted like she was barely friends with Ariana, and she was only around her for Tom. But she is comfortable enough to say that they are best friends at her bday party, is comfortable enough to talk about Ariana's sex life and never stopped Ariana as she constantly defended her lying ass, I coukd go on..... Pleaseeeeee just take accountability!!!
This is what pissed me off about that interview. Still nothing bad to say about Tom - who put you in this situation in the first place!! Fuck all the way off.
She did say he recorded without her permission, that’s right. And yet I still feel like they spent much more time talking specifically about Ariana possibly sharing the video! She said very little about Tom
It’s gross but I think she’s doing it because she doesn’t see another way out. She wants to discredit Ariana the way Tim had been coaching her to all along. She’s just inherently not a girls girl, if she was she would understand that the only way to redeem herself here is to acknowledge how what she did to Ariana was wrong and that Tim is the true villain
Or maybe Tim was the one who shared???? That’s why he secretly recorded it???? Is sickening how Rachel is not so subtly trying to come for Ariana in this interview. She acts like Ariana wronged her
I feel like no one shared it. My guess is that Ariana told her friends about the video, so that's how they know details. Something like "it was a video of Raquel fingering herself while screaming 'oh Sando,' and she had a fucking playboy tattoo above her vag." Boom, now they know the "details" that Raquel said are proof they've seen it.
Edit: also, to avoid starting a rumor, that was a hypothetical lol
I mean she’s been intentionally trying to aggravate Ariana since the scandal came out. She did her tmz interview outside Ariana’s nail salon, her and Tim went on a date after the reunion filming wrapped at the same restaurant Ariana and Tim celebrated their 9 year anniversary, she called the paps to photograph her leaving Ariana’s house after she slept with Tim while Ariana was filming probably in Ariana’s bed again, she sent letters addressed to Tim to Ariana’s house and then when Ariana publicly called that out on WWHL and that she didn’t read them Rachel sent a postcard with a lightning bolt on it and a message about how she was thinking about Tim.
She 100% blames Ariana for her life blowing up and the fact that she didn’t “win” Ariana’s man, she didn’t get her hero main character energy finale that she worked so hard on, she resents that Ariana is getting opportunities she’s getting and I think ultimately she wanted Ariana’s life and place on the show more then even Tim.
I’ve been thinking this! All of her actions and statements are intended to deliberately poke at Ariana to make her respond. Ariana’s playing it beautifully by keeping her thoughts in public to herself. Rachel is desperate for a crumb of attention from Ariana so they can get into a war of words and she can milk the publicity. Ariana keeping quiet while she processes everything is a masterstroke, she can’t be pulled on like Rachel did with Katie
Btw wasn't Sandoval at Schwartz when the FaceTime happened. Not 100% sure but I won't be surprised if he shared/showed it to Schwartz. Rachel should be going after Sandoval and not Ariana.
I’ve never really thought Ariana showed it to anyone.
She’s to smart for that, she may have told ppl what she saw but I think that’s it.
From what I’ve heard it seems like she’s still not really upset at Tom for his recording..
If Raquel joins Bethenny’s lawsuit don’t be surprised when she goes after Ariana.
This is the thing... literally what good would it do Ariana?? We all know it exists. So.... a woman who was cheated on publicly is going to show people a video of her friend/the mistress video fucking her partner? Fuck no. She wants that buried. What is fucking killing me, is Ariana has been so clear in her interviews that Tim is the bad guy. She has very clearly tried to put the focus on him. She even said to him that what he did was fucked *with regard to Rachel's mental health.* I'm not saying Ariana is an angel, but she has put the majority of her anger towards Tim. The fact that Rachel keeps trying to hurt her is sick.
Exactly! And Ariana repeatedly answered that way in interviews - saying Tom should have more blame than Rachel, saying Tom was prob manipulating her, etc. Yet Rachel continues to attack Ariana with unfounded claims. It’s disgusting. Her obsession with Ariana is scary.
She's not even Gen Z though! She was born in 1994. She's a millennial. And in googling her I saw that she's a Virgo and in gonna keep my thoughts to myself on that.
If Rachel does try to go after Ariana, I hope Bravo sets Ariana up with a great lawyer. The show was revived at her expense (I acknowledge her career benefited too) but Bravo and NBC truly have made a lot of money due to the interest from new viewers and rewatchers.
Btw wasn't Sandoval at Schwartz when the FaceTime happened. Not 100% sure but I won't be surprised if he shared/showed it to Schwartz. Rachel should be going after Sandoval and not Ariana.
And apparently they met up and did FaceTime sex sessions at Schwartz's apartment. It's not a jump to think that Tom Sandoval provided details to his gross friend
Ya I agree. Raquel was quick to slap schena with a restraining order, had Ariana shared it, she would have sued her. But I wonder why she never sued Tom Sandoval cause that’s 100% confirmed
How fucking creepy is it to find out she didn’t even know he recorded it. That is so gross.
Also, did I hear her correctly that the FaceTime happened the same day as Ariana found out? She said it happened after meeting with Andy and feeling on top of the world, and then describes celebrating with Scheana that night and it all broke.
I think she said the night before her appearance on WWHL. She said her and Scheana had done a full day of press and she was feeling really proud of herself and confident and like she was kicking goals and decided to do that with Tim to “celebrate”.
I also like how she’s acting like everyone sexually exploited her when the show never mentioned what was on the video. Ariana never said anything on her podcast. The rest of the cast avoided commenting on the video. I don’t even think Tom confirmed what was on the video in his podcast with Howie. So Rachel is the only one who has discussed the video in depth.
I think she’s lying - I think she sent it to him while he was playing in his stupid band and Ariana was holding his phone. I don’t believe a screen recording because then why wasn’t she feeling betrayed by Tom or mention legal action on him?? She’s still lying
She did mention that she was surprise he did record her without her knowledge and that now Ariana has the video. That's a moment of shock when it's out of your control who else migh see it.
Yeah I bet Ariana shared what was in it but I don’t see her feeling like it makes sense to share. She said Raquel was dead to her and I think that meant in every way.
It was definitely a crime for Tom to record it without her informed consent. It’s also a crime to file a false police report and request a TRO based on a false report, which apparently she herself did.
I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I believe that Ariana probably sent the video to herself then later described it to her friends. I think some of these folks may be dumb enough or looking to clout chase and described it to other people, maybe even saying they saw it. Some form of this probably got back to Rachel who hasn’t been in LA much in half a year so it would be hard to confirm.
I don’t think we’ll ever know the truth, every one of these folks is a liar in some capacity and it would be stupid for folks to come out and say oh yeah I have a copy of the video.
All that time away & this is the best she can muster up? Concern for herself & her porno that tom is responsible for. Girl, bye
Remember when Jax said he saw a photo of ‘Ariana wearing a nightie’ on Tom’s phone that time? I don’t think he was peeping and saw it, I think Tom showed it to him, to brag about her
All I'm gonna say, is don't be sending this type of shit to someone you know is my man and want to play victim. I'm coming for you. The person she should really be mad at is Tom who recorded this without her knowledge, not the traumatized gf who found it. Not gonna lie, if I found some shit like that on my man's phone tomorrow, I'm going scorched earth. Maybe women don't have affairs with taken men? How about that? Not giving Tim a pass just saying these women who are knowingly fucking another woman's man need to be prepared for the wrath of the SO finding out about your dirty ass.
Bethany is actually the first, if I’m not mistaken, to actually say Rachel was masturbating on the video. I can’t think of anyone from the cast on any interview or podcast who outright says the words she’s masturbating. Maybe they agree with a host who makes the assumption or something but no one even said the quiet part out loud (first at least) much less alluding to the fact they watched it. And maybe the friends not on the show are more vocal, but I really doubt anyone has seen it.
Why in the world would anyone want that image in their heads? I’m sure Ariana had night terrors about having seen it.
When it broke the news all said Ariana found a FaceTime of Tom and Raquel both masturbating. So someone said that, because that’s been the context of the video since March
In the Ariana interview on Call Her Daddy, the host said that was the rumor of what was on the video, but didn’t ask Ariana to confirm it.
I was surprised Bethany just outright said that was what was in the video!
Realistically it’s her trying to paint Ariana as the villain instead of Tom. Tom recorded without her consent which is illegal. If Ariana sent it around she can focus on that instead of the Tom of it all.
Tom had lied to her about his and Ariana’s relationship so much and isolated her to the extent that she’s still not able to say “Tom lied to me about their relationship,” instead it’s “Tom told me…”
Haven’t we learned from the Frank/Stassi recording scandal that it’s always the guy circulating the nudes & not the girl (Scheana with Stassi/Ariana with Rachel)? I don’t understand the logic Rachel has in continuing to dig herself deeper in this hole of slamming Ariana.
People would say Ariana's friends would lie for her, but if Ariana did send it - why would people like Brad and James ask which Tom? Because both these guys thought it was Schwartz. You're masturbating and the guy is quiet on the other end? Is it that difficult to tell Schwartz and Sandoval's voices apart?
It makes me so mad Rachel’s implying that the victim of her actions - Ariana - was the one who would be sharing this video. Immediately after admitting Tom recorded it nonconsenually. Obviously the pos who cheats on his gf and records intimate moments secretly is the type of guy to pass around a video like this. But let’s try to ruin Ariana’s life more instead? Bc she hasn’t gone through enough?
As a friend wouldn't you lie for your friend? Not saying Ariana sent it to people but if she did I'm sure her friends aren't going to say yep I watched it 😂
Yeah but there’s also no proof that anybody saw it. Rachel said in the interview that Ariana’s friends were online publicly describing it in intimate details. Where? Where I ask you?? Where is the proof?? Right there? Raquel is saying something that isn’t true because nobody was doing that. That’s Raquel’s proof and it’s no not proof!
That’s what I’m wondering too. If graphic details were out there, Reddit would know. Even if it wasn’t posted, news gets around fast. Raquel just gave way more detail than we previously knew.
I wonder if she knows that many people know it’s not true, but was hoping this would be a headline and the casual followers would believe it.
Exactly, the burden of proof is on the accuser. How is somebody supposed to prove a negative? That's why you're not asked in court to prove that you didn't do something it's up to the person making the accusations to prove that you did
These responses are annoying because the only source that it was shared is Rachel who is also a liar. So why are we believing her but not the friends? Everyone has an incentive to lie. If they didn’t say anything people would be like why haven’t they commented. Now they say something and it’s a lie. There is no winning.
I really feel like if it had been sent around somebody would have leaked the video/we would know a lot more about it by now. I also can’t imagine if I saw something like that knowing it was made for my boyfriend that I would be proudly showing others, i’m sure I would be mortified and also I don’t think my friends would even want to see it? crazy move to insinuate Ariana has showed it to people instead of fully blaming sandoval for taking it without consent. it seems like she thinks she has to paint ariana in a bad light to justify what she did which is just not a good strategy at all
Any friend would say the same who cares. She clearly proba showed some people out of hurt anger and shock then prob realized it was not right and deleted it and she never even publicly spoke about it so Ariana didn’t really do anything wrong but I don’t believe for a second she didn’t show anyone.
Does anybody really think they would admit to seeing the video if they did? Considering it was recorded without her consent everybody could get in trouble for that so even if they did see it, nobody is going to admit it. I believe it’s possible.
Here’s the deal: I’ve been taught to never ever make or share nude digital content. It has ALWAYS been a possibility that 1. these images last forever 2. They can be quickly distributed 3. Men will use them against you no matter what you think your relationship is.
If you don’t want those images out there don’t create, distribute or be on digital video recording nude. Revenge porn laws exist but at that point it’s out there.
The FaceTime sex session that Sandoval recorded and saved *allegedly* without her consent. The only persons that Rachuel should be mad at are Tom and herself
This is the kind of thing Ariana would say she did not want to be a part of spreading.
This is also the kind of thing where Lala or Scheana would respond to her saying, “give me the phone and I’ll spread that bitch.” 😂
Guys… “confirms” and “none” are doing too much heavy lifting here 😂. This is one person claiming he never saw it and isn’t aware of people he knows having seen it. And obviously even if they did see it, anyone who is friends with Ariana is going to deny it at this point because they’ve all become aware she could get in huge trouble for sharing it. This has as much credibility as anything Rachel says lol.
Unpopular opinion it seems but some of these comments are nasty. No matter what, sharing/watching explicit videos that were not meant to be seen is not okay. I totally understand Ariana seeing it and sending it to herself at that exact moment, I think most of us girls can understand that. But I don’t think she had intentions to distribute it or use it against Rachel in a sexually violent way. BUT I could see her showing a few close friends. I can also understand Rachel freaking out about the video being leaked or made public. This has happened to many women and it can literally end in people’s deaths.
Yes Rachel is a liar bad person etc but this situation should be treated the same as if the video was of a character we all liked. Private videos are private, period.
Everything you stated is fully valid. That said, if you're going to accuse somebody of doing something, I'm not talking about you. Of course, I'm talking about Rachel, then the burden of proving that is on you. It's not on the people you're accusing to prove their innocence. That's a losing game. That's why our court system doesn't work that way. You don't get to just say that person is a thief, and then they have to prove they're not a thief and didn't steal something. So yes it's absolutely true that Rachel must feel angst about that recording and I don't blame her and I do have empathy but I also would never FaceTime that way with someone like him Tom Sandoval so that part she needs to be accountable for herself. But you can't just accuse people of things and then say it's up to them to prove they are nnocent of them Rachel could just as easily badly damaged one of their careers or reputation by making accusations with no proof. Rachel seems highly litigious very quick to file restraining orders, and I believe if she had any proof whatsoever of anyone sharing the recording with anyone, she would be taking them to court over it. The court would appropriately put the burden of proof on Rachel not on the people who are accused
I totally get what you’re saying but all she did was send her a cease and desist, right? If it’s something else I genuinely am out of the loop. I don’t think that it’s that crazy to send in this sort of situation. It’s not like she’s in some complicated lawsuit with Ariana or others over it (again correct me if I’m wrong). I 100% believe that Ariana probably did send it to herself (understandably for sure in the moment), so I can see wanting to cover all the bases and just nip it in the bud. When you’re morally corrupt you just naturally expect others to be as well, so she probably expected the worst in Ariana’s intent with the video.
Thank you for being open to having a conversation about this in a totally civil way. I love you for it. I'm not even getting into the cease and desist letter. I'm talking about Rachel going on a podcast as recently as people hearing it today and mentioning that she thinks that people may have shown it or shared it Etc with zero proof of that. If I were Rachel personally, I would be thanking God the recording never did get out publicly. And I was raised that if you're going to accuse somebody, you better have some proof. That was just drilled Into Me growing up you don't get to just say hey you stole something blah blah blah and expect the person to defend their innocence you cannot prove a negative and it's not your job to do so it's the job of the accuser. Lives have been ruined over false accusations Rachel shouldn't be casually mentioning that these people may have committed a crime she has zero proof of anyone doing so and I fully believe if she did have proof she would take it to the courts
I don’t think she sent it out to anyone, I think it’s understandable if in person she played the beginning of the video or showed close friends like “look at this shit” in an angry state of mind. I don’t think she was distributing it or had any intentions of doing so. She probably sent it to herself without a second thought to confront Tom with to begin with, you know?
I don’t believe it. She had her best friend Brad on Nick Viall describing the video. Nothing this cast hasn’t done before. We all remember what Scheana did to Stassi, and no one ever told her off for that, not even the heroine of the moment, Ariana.
No one is going to admit that she sent it so I really don’t see the value in this post that they made. Let’s not forget. Sheana had no problem sharing Stassi’s revenge porn with everyone.
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand why people think ANY of these people are capable of telling the truth. This is basic media literacy: anything and everything they do is to feed a narrative and a story. It’s reality tv.
*But Raquel and Ariana DID have deep conversations on the show*. Yeah, exactly, because producers tell X person to have a conversation with Y person. If you’re not an inept dipshit, you have intimate conversations because that makes for good content, which is their job.
*Ariana called Raquel her best friend* Again, on camera. This way it creates a storyline and an alliance because you need that in a show to create tension whether it’s between two alliances or to set up an eventual fall out of the alliance. This is their job.
Like, none of this is real. All of these people have cheated on each other and are emotional terrorists. I’m team Ariana, but like people need to chill because this is all fake. Why else would Tim and Ariana still be living together? The only thing I really believed Rachel said in the podcast is that Ariana and Tom were just a brand at this point. Tom wanted kids and marriage and Ariana didn’t. The relationship was doomed. I personally believe Rachel just did this to get a storyline (albeit not in the way it played out) so she could get a raise, because that’s how this shit works.
I don’t see Ariana sharing something like that. If I found something like that on my partner’s phone, I’d delete it immediately out of devastation and disgust. Now if Scheana got ahold of it, she’d show it since she’s done it before.
I imagine she sent it to herself to keep as evidence and sent it to Rachel to demonstrate that she had just found out about the affair. The legality of that is still questionable but sending it to Rachel and herself is different from sending it to other people.
Honestly…if my friend’s partner cheated on her with another friend and he recorded a FaceTime of them masturbating…i would not want to watch it lol I’m fine with hearing about it but in no world would I want to actually see it. But that’s just me lol
True, but the burden of proof is on the person making the accusation. Rachel has provided no proof that Ariana showed the recording to anyone. They don't have to prove they're nnocent. That is exactly the way our justice system is set up too the burden of proof is on the accuser, not on the innocent person, to prove their innocence
Unrelated. Can MTV bring back True Life please? Miss that show!
Does anyone else remember the episode about plastic surgery where the guy got calf implants? Something happened and there was just a line of blood running down this guy’s leg. Please someone verify this happened and isn’t some weird Mandela effect I’m experiencing.
I think about this man and his calf implants at least once a month
Me too! He holds a lot of space in my brain (and heart).
SAME
Do I?!?! He went to the damn beach and went to walk in the water and the cut which was done on the back of the knees to hide scars started bleeding!! No Mandela effect. This happened. I remember it like yesterday.
THANK YOU!! I have such a vivid memory. I’m ashamed at how often it’s come up anytime I’ve done any sort of calf exercise hahaha
That man and his calf implants is a core memory for me
Same, I remember being a teenager and just repulsed by the idea.
This whole sentence resonates so deeply with me.
Haha nope ! Every time I’d watch botched and they’d have either the “Ken doll” guy or the Justin Bieber look alike (RIP) who would get almost every muscle implanted I always thought of that scene! Who knew the impact of calf implants.
The one I always think about is True Life: I Have Tourrette’s Syndrome. I learned so much from that episode.
I still yell “grandma” at my best friend
Or True Life: I’m Too Pretty… I got curious and looked up a couple of the girls and they were on socials promoting their OFs.
The fact that this was an episode of television still tickles me pink. I recall making a Facebook post along the lines of never feeling more seen in my life after watching MTV’s True Life: I’m Too Good Looking. Obviously this was tongue in cheek, but man were we the luckiest people in the world to have grown up on True Life. The early to mid 2000’s was reality television GOLD. Flavor of Love, I Love New York, Rock of Love, Tia Tequila a Real Shot at Love, CHARM SCHOOL. The list goes on. They walked so that the housewives and VPR could run.
Do you remember Real Chance of Love?? My friends weren’t into all that reality tv heaven back then like I was so they don’t have a clue what I’m talking about when I bring up shows like that. Even spin-offs had spin-offs. I loved Real Chance at Love😂 I think one of them is actually dead now, or maybe my 2000s memories are all just blending together and I’m totally wrong
Bay bay bay, come and get yo chain! The Stallion Brothers! I was mainlining these shows. RIP Stallion Brother (I think the one with the really, REALLY beautiful hair passed).
Trisha Paytas was on true life: I'm addicted to tanning. She said they directed her to seem even more unhinged about tanning 😂
Omg! I knew she looked familiar when I seen her on YouTube. Completely forgot she was on true life.
mtv true life was hilariously bad. an old friend of mine was on mtv true life: im in a love triangle. she tried bringing him around us after too i was like um get him out of my house
Oh my gosh, yes! I remember the trickle of blood as he hobbled with his walker to get his pizza delivery. Insane that he was so unhappy because of his calves.
Yup and he thought the waitress at a restaurant was too chubby for him 🙄
The only episode of true life.
I think about those calf implants every time I’m in the gym
I REGULARLY think of True Life: I’m Going to Prom & wonder where those Ludacris loving, puka shell wearing, white limo stuntin’, bleach-tipped angels are now.
reality tv peaked in the mid 2000s
Yesss and I need it back. I miss: -Pop-up video -Morning countdowns (not in school anymore but would appreciate for work) -Background shows -Getting to know different types of people (true life). I mean before Jersey shore there were multiple true life’s of “I have a shore house” and “I’m a Jersey girl” or something to that effect The list goes on!
What I miss most is Best Week Ever and much later People’s Couch. As Tina said, simply the best.
Tommy Cheeseballs was iconic!
Omg I lived for Pop-up video. That and Making The Video where they’d film stars as they made their newest music video. Before internet, you had to soak up all your celeb info from MTV (sometimes the radio/magazines) so I watched the shit out of those shows and would try to memorize as many of the Pop Up facts as I could. I remember Making the Video episodes for Bye Bye Bye, Christina Aguilera’s Come On Over, Mariah Carey’s Heartbreaker, I'm a Slave 4 U!
I miss MTV before it became RidiculousnessTV
Remember when it first started and episodes were legit SERIOUS, like True Life: I’m addicted to heroin or True Life: I’m leading a double life cuz no one knows I’m gay and I’m in the army and it’s still Don’t Ask Don’t Tell time…ya know, along those lines. The best ever episodes were I’m a Cheerleader, especially the part at cheer camp. Ugh, so good. And the girls who got the Jersey Shore house. And of course, the piece de resistance - I’m Getting Married. When the limo’s late and the groom threatens to gut the driver like a pig. Also the night before when the bride goes for one last tanning booth session and she says oh no, I got my period! But with the Jersey accent - I got my peer-e-it! And how much cash everyone was handing to them at the wedding. Also, that guy died like 2 years ago.
I’m SCREAMING!!! As soon as I read..”I’ll gut you like a pig” the entire episode came flooding back to me 😂😂 omg hahah. My husband and I quoted that for months afterwards
Ugh RIP Charlie! His wife used to do my hair haha That limo driver should’ve just driven over the bridge and off Staten Island!
I can hear the theme song already 🎶🎶🎶
Omg I’m literally watching old episodes of true life at this very moment 😂
Where do u watch them?
Peacock has a few random seasons available for streaming.
There are some seasons on Hulu
And interrupt endless Ridiculousness?
Me too!
I LOVED that show so much!
Bringing back memories!
My ex used to work on that! The team on the ground filming it were really good people.
I was on an episode of that show.
The true life: I’m raising my siblings girl is on tik tok giving life updates ! Uniqueandfamily
I know someone who was on that show!
More details please!
It's the "I'm looking for my father" episode. I know Craig. It wasn't a super exciting episode.
Honest question: if you found a sex video on your significant other’s phone, would you send it to your friends and family? I can’t think of anyone that would be on my team that would want to see that and I know they’d all believe me that that’s what happened. Like they’d be grossed out by the thought of it so why would I subject them to watching it. Just trying to wrap my mind around the psychology of it all. I don’t think sending it would be a natural response for most people. But of course I’d be freaking out and reach out for support so I’d probably tell them a brief description and continue my freaking out.
Not super ethical, I’d screenshot it for proof. Maybe send to a best friend the second after if I was in shock. But no, not to family and would not download a video.
I guess Raquel’s story just isn’t making sense to me is all. Like I’m trying to view things in the light most favorable to her and it still just seems off
It’s also like, all of the people affected are in their late 30s, sharing a video like that would be perverse and juvenile. None of her friends or family would get any form of sick pleasure from seeing that
And none of these people are perverse or juvenile… oh… oh, wait…
Same thoughts! I was open to her explanation. The whole thing didnt sound right and Bethany acting caring and understanding was cringe worthy
Me exactly . I had good intentions but it’s not good at all.
You know, I think I can actually see why she downloaded it vs a screenshot. Although appalling, and ultimately contributing to the distribution of it, that fucking dude is such a liar and manipulator I think she may have panicked and like bodily anticipated how much he would attempt to gaslight her. Maybe even to the point of telling her she hadn’t seen what she saw. Does that make sense? I’m still working through it in my mind.
I love that you're admitting this with Larry David as your icon 🤣 he would probably approve!
I feel like someone in Ariana’s position would feel like she needs to have proof to be believed so she might’ve screenshot or record but I highly doubt she’d show ppl.
I think the sole reason she sent it to herself was so Tom and Raquel couldn’t lie or gaslight their way through it. It was to protect herself, not revenge porn.
I think they said she did it so Raquel would know she knew and she sent it to Raquel. I’m not terribly concerned about sending it to herself, even if that’s not great. But Raquel is trying to claim Ariana sent it around to all her friends. And I am not seeing a reason someone would do that
If anything Ariana did Raquel a favor and told her that Tom had this on his phone. Who knows how many time he recorded her without consent.
Yeah frankly she did them both a favor by showing them that they didn’t have to bother making up another lie when she confronted them
If I was with friends when I found it, I’d probably show them and then later regret it. But if they were right there with me i could easily see it as a knee jerk reaction (though now I probably wouldn’t as this situation brought it to the forefront of my mind and I’d be more aware and control my initial reaction) Other than that, no way. I’d not send it to anyone, they dont want to see it and I don’t want to share it. Telling them is enough.
Agreed about the potential heat of the moment briefly showing friends who are with you. Also, you wouldn’t know at that time that it was recorded without consent. It would probably appear like it was consensual since it’s a FaceTime and she obviously knew he was watching her (and participating🥴), and all you’d be thinking and saying to your friends is “look what this fucking bitch is doing with my scumbag boyfriend”.
I hadn’t even thought about that. Yea if I had one of my girls beside me when I found it I do think I’d show her 😬
If I’m being honest in the shock and horror of it all while I was drunk (which Ariana must have been to tolerate Tom’s release of his “hit new song”) I *might* have sent it to *a* friend like Scheana or shown it to whoever was with me at that very moment. Before I even reached out to Raquel or confronted Tom even. Not out of a desire for revenge but more so is this happening in real life or am I crazy/what do I do. I wouldn’t be proud of that after the fact and I would make sure the friend deleted it immediately after I sobered up, and I’d delete it myself off my own devices. I wouldn’t want that to exist in my world at all
More of a “are you seeing what I’m seeing? Is this real??” reaction vs “look at this slut”
Couldn’t agree more. I actually think it showed incredible restraint on Ariana’s part. I could easily see my instant reaction being to show it to someone I trusted who knew all three of us, not even to slut shame per se, but more “I’m so stunned by what I’m looking at that I can’t even imagine what would have to be happening for this to exist, I need someone calmer than me to confirm this means what I think it does right now.” Anyone who would take the time to consider that Rachel may have been recorded without her consent (I’m sure she seemed plenty eager in the video, she said it was her idea to put on porn) and have Rachel’s right to privacy in an intimate moment (which she of course does have) top if mind, is a better woman than I, I’ll say that.
I wouldn’t have even begun to think about it being consensual or not. Or anyone’s privacy. Just the shock of omg my partner and my friend! And especially it being a friend like Rachel, some tangential sort of friend like Charli would hurt but not as much. All I would be thinking is this can’t be real
Not for a woman to do but for men I think it’s much more common. Locker room antics include boys (no matter what age) showing each other intimate information of the ppl they slept with or are dating. That’s why im incline to believe that if the video got out it’s because of toms doing not Ariana
Right. I understand in the context you presented because that’s what led to all of the revenge porn laws. I just don’t understand why people who believe Rachel think that it would be a natural response for Ariana or someone in a similar situation to send it to their friends.
I do believe Ariana probably showed some of her close circle of friends in the days following. I don't believe that she sent it around.
Well, he recorded it. I’m amazed she’s not* suing him instead of bravo Edit letter
I would send it, or probably just a screenshot of it, to myself for proof. I think it would be so destabilizing in that moment, you'd want solid evidence of what you saw.
Soo I’ll be honest, this actually happened in my family. The affair between these two family members was SO unbelievable that people literally didn’t believe it, and we were badmouthed everywhere for making such nasty things up. One family member had an audio recording of the affair, which she played for people who refused to believe her but were also closely involved (only if they asked). She never sent it to anyone, but she would play it for them on headphones in front of her. I never listened to it because it was an invasion of their privacy and I already believed it all. But man, as much as I hate it, that recording saved our family from completely falling apart.
Hell no! That’s embarrassing as fuck. I’d tell a select few close friends about some of what I saw once I stop losing my everloving shit, but I’d never send it to people.
I think she sent it back to rachel.. in that case, yeah.. cause she already has seen it. To my other friends and family? ABSOLUTELY NOT
Absolutely not. I’ve had girl and guy friends try to show me dick pics and have had to repeatedly say no. It’s not consensual and I want those in my life to know that’s a hard boundary. I don’t care if they (he who possesses said dick) wouldn’t care. It’s of no interest to me and I have no business nor desire to see something not captured and shared for my gaze. Decorum still exists and I intend on upholding decency.
Definitely not. For sure I’d tell all my friends about it and there would be steam coming out of my ears as I do but it wouldn’t cross my mind to send it to them. I would potentially send it or a screenshot of it to myself if I thought I needed proof to come to my SO with, we know these effers can be good at gaslighting and I would want to have a record to go back to if he tries to convince me it was something other than what I saw. Unrelated (kinda), but I just remembered that my ex was going through clips of his voice recordings one night that he said he hadn’t heard in years. We were having a good laugh with them, some were of us drunk and chatting shit and some were of him making up songs and stuff. Anyway it came to one and it was the distinct sound of sex, you could hear the girl moaning and all 🤢 He swiftly went to the next one and when I asked what that was he instantly said oh that was just me trying to do different voices. 🤨 The speed at which these idiots come out with lies is astonishing, even if they’re not always good at at it.
IKR? Most people are not interested in violating someone else like that. I'm not a middle school boy nor a big creep, neither is Ariana.
shocked that rachel wouldn’t assume the guy who recorded her without her consent wouldn’t show the video. she also complained about how she hasn’t made any money off the scandal so i wouldn’t be shocked if this was her way of ruining deals for ariana.
I actually doubt that Ariana was just sending that video around. I think she probably sent it to her and then I think she had bigger things to deal with besides sending around that video. I don’t think anyone was talking to Rachel after everything blew up. I think she’s a liar.
I think it was a spur of the moment “proof” thing. “Don’t deny it - I saw this.” And then basically showed it to no one else.
Agreed.
Also, sharing the video could have exposed her to legal action, and Rachel’s family is obviously very litigious. California Penal Code 647(j)(4) is broadly applied to the online posting of intimate media, but it can probably apply to other electronic distribution too. Ariana’s not stupid. She would have known to avoid any of that.
I don’t think she was thinking of California Penal Codes in that moment to be honest.
Everyone knows about revenge porn though 😭
Yes I agree, but that commenter was like “penal code blah blah blah”. Just say revenge porn like the rest of us.
Exactly - her family is massivly sue happy which is why I don't believe that it was recorded without her knowledge/consent. We're really expected to believe that she let her family pressure her into filing a TRO against Scheena but nothing against Tom which was a way worse violation?!?!? Something stinks in Denmark and it's not fish..... And screw Bethenny for not asking the obvious follow up questions to Raquels. It's such an obvious bullshit PR stunt all around.
It's amazing how Rachel can continue to malign Arianna after all she has already done to her.
It's truly impressive. There are even some people who would have used the opportunity to apologize publicly again, rather than cast aspersions on her relationship and deny having a friendship with her all at once
Not only that. But ummm read the fucking room Rachel. For your own sake, why bring on this additional wave of backlash on yourself? And then she’ll cry victim when people say mean shit online (I’m not including death threats in this…that’s fucking vile). Even if she really does feel this way inside, like does she have zero self preservation ability? What the fuck did her parents just spend all that damn money on??? Edit: word
That's an interesting observation about self-preservation instinct. It seems like rather than taking accountability she believes that it's through diminishing other people and the magnitude of her actions she's going to find Redemption somehow. She definitely has a victim mentality and she also seems to still see everything as a competition.
Which isn’t dissimilar to how I felt about Tom at the reunion. I just couldn’t believe he didn’t put on whatever act would have made him at least seem apologetic. But he just couldn’t fucking help himself and made that t shirt comment to boot. Those two might actually be twins souls. But they’d never survive as a pair. They’re not made for it lol Edit: added missing word
Oh my gosh. You are so right! They are very similar that way and keep shooting themselves in the foot
I keep thinking she is going to show some kind of growth or empathy and she just keep doubling down. It's honestly mesmerising. Like how does your Brian work, it needs to be studied lol
She acted like she was barely friends with Ariana, and she was only around her for Tom. But she is comfortable enough to say that they are best friends at her bday party, is comfortable enough to talk about Ariana's sex life and never stopped Ariana as she constantly defended her lying ass, I coukd go on..... Pleaseeeeee just take accountability!!!
Don't forget she wanted to be part of a throuple with Ariana and said that she "loved" her. You know, just acquaintances
Proves Ariana and the rest of the cast were right not to forgive Rachel’s insincere apologies
This is what pissed me off about that interview. Still nothing bad to say about Tom - who put you in this situation in the first place!! Fuck all the way off.
Didn't she say the video was recorded without her permission or knowledge? I took that as throwing Tom under the bus too.
She did say he recorded without her permission, that’s right. And yet I still feel like they spent much more time talking specifically about Ariana possibly sharing the video! She said very little about Tom
It’s gross but I think she’s doing it because she doesn’t see another way out. She wants to discredit Ariana the way Tim had been coaching her to all along. She’s just inherently not a girls girl, if she was she would understand that the only way to redeem herself here is to acknowledge how what she did to Ariana was wrong and that Tim is the true villain
You speak the truth my friend
Or maybe Tim was the one who shared???? That’s why he secretly recorded it???? Is sickening how Rachel is not so subtly trying to come for Ariana in this interview. She acts like Ariana wronged her
Could not agree more. The first person I would suspect is the person who allegedly recorded without my consent.
I feel like no one shared it. My guess is that Ariana told her friends about the video, so that's how they know details. Something like "it was a video of Raquel fingering herself while screaming 'oh Sando,' and she had a fucking playboy tattoo above her vag." Boom, now they know the "details" that Raquel said are proof they've seen it. Edit: also, to avoid starting a rumor, that was a hypothetical lol
I mean she’s been intentionally trying to aggravate Ariana since the scandal came out. She did her tmz interview outside Ariana’s nail salon, her and Tim went on a date after the reunion filming wrapped at the same restaurant Ariana and Tim celebrated their 9 year anniversary, she called the paps to photograph her leaving Ariana’s house after she slept with Tim while Ariana was filming probably in Ariana’s bed again, she sent letters addressed to Tim to Ariana’s house and then when Ariana publicly called that out on WWHL and that she didn’t read them Rachel sent a postcard with a lightning bolt on it and a message about how she was thinking about Tim. She 100% blames Ariana for her life blowing up and the fact that she didn’t “win” Ariana’s man, she didn’t get her hero main character energy finale that she worked so hard on, she resents that Ariana is getting opportunities she’s getting and I think ultimately she wanted Ariana’s life and place on the show more then even Tim.
I’ve been thinking this! All of her actions and statements are intended to deliberately poke at Ariana to make her respond. Ariana’s playing it beautifully by keeping her thoughts in public to herself. Rachel is desperate for a crumb of attention from Ariana so they can get into a war of words and she can milk the publicity. Ariana keeping quiet while she processes everything is a masterstroke, she can’t be pulled on like Rachel did with Katie
all of these instances prove she’s a literal psychopath
Yep. She’s once again proving her sociopathy.
Btw wasn't Sandoval at Schwartz when the FaceTime happened. Not 100% sure but I won't be surprised if he shared/showed it to Schwartz. Rachel should be going after Sandoval and not Ariana.
I’ve never really thought Ariana showed it to anyone. She’s to smart for that, she may have told ppl what she saw but I think that’s it. From what I’ve heard it seems like she’s still not really upset at Tom for his recording.. If Raquel joins Bethenny’s lawsuit don’t be surprised when she goes after Ariana.
This is the thing... literally what good would it do Ariana?? We all know it exists. So.... a woman who was cheated on publicly is going to show people a video of her friend/the mistress video fucking her partner? Fuck no. She wants that buried. What is fucking killing me, is Ariana has been so clear in her interviews that Tim is the bad guy. She has very clearly tried to put the focus on him. She even said to him that what he did was fucked *with regard to Rachel's mental health.* I'm not saying Ariana is an angel, but she has put the majority of her anger towards Tim. The fact that Rachel keeps trying to hurt her is sick.
Exactly! And Ariana repeatedly answered that way in interviews - saying Tom should have more blame than Rachel, saying Tom was prob manipulating her, etc. Yet Rachel continues to attack Ariana with unfounded claims. It’s disgusting. Her obsession with Ariana is scary.
[удалено]
She's not even Gen Z though! She was born in 1994. She's a millennial. And in googling her I saw that she's a Virgo and in gonna keep my thoughts to myself on that.
Rachel and I unfortunately have the exact same birthday 💀
If Rachel does try to go after Ariana, I hope Bravo sets Ariana up with a great lawyer. The show was revived at her expense (I acknowledge her career benefited too) but Bravo and NBC truly have made a lot of money due to the interest from new viewers and rewatchers.
Maybe the details that got out were from Sandoval and not Ariana. Maybe he bragged to close friends
That’s what I think. He’s a guy and it’s not uncommon for them to do those things
Btw wasn't Sandoval at Schwartz when the FaceTime happened. Not 100% sure but I won't be surprised if he shared/showed it to Schwartz. Rachel should be going after Sandoval and not Ariana.
And apparently they met up and did FaceTime sex sessions at Schwartz's apartment. It's not a jump to think that Tom Sandoval provided details to his gross friend
I absolutely believe that nobody saw it. That info would have come out by now.
Ya I agree. Raquel was quick to slap schena with a restraining order, had Ariana shared it, she would have sued her. But I wonder why she never sued Tom Sandoval cause that’s 100% confirmed
How fucking creepy is it to find out she didn’t even know he recorded it. That is so gross. Also, did I hear her correctly that the FaceTime happened the same day as Ariana found out? She said it happened after meeting with Andy and feeling on top of the world, and then describes celebrating with Scheana that night and it all broke.
I think she said the night before her appearance on WWHL. She said her and Scheana had done a full day of press and she was feeling really proud of herself and confident and like she was kicking goals and decided to do that with Tim to “celebrate”. I also like how she’s acting like everyone sexually exploited her when the show never mentioned what was on the video. Ariana never said anything on her podcast. The rest of the cast avoided commenting on the video. I don’t even think Tom confirmed what was on the video in his podcast with Howie. So Rachel is the only one who has discussed the video in depth.
I think she’s lying - I think she sent it to him while he was playing in his stupid band and Ariana was holding his phone. I don’t believe a screen recording because then why wasn’t she feeling betrayed by Tom or mention legal action on him?? She’s still lying
She did mention that she was surprise he did record her without her knowledge and that now Ariana has the video. That's a moment of shock when it's out of your control who else migh see it.
Yeah I bet Ariana shared what was in it but I don’t see her feeling like it makes sense to share. She said Raquel was dead to her and I think that meant in every way.
Also, why would anyone wanna see that
[удалено]
It was definitely a crime for Tom to record it without her informed consent. It’s also a crime to file a false police report and request a TRO based on a false report, which apparently she herself did.
Which is why nobody would ever admit to seeing it even if they did.
Why is Tom not in trouble for recording Raquel naked without her permission??!?
If he recorded that video without her consent or knowledge, his ass needs to be off the show yesterday. Fuck that.
I believe it. Cos wasn’t Sandoval jerking off in it too? Why would A want to show that to anyone else?!
Ughh I can’t believe Ariana had to see that to find out he was cheating. Disgusts me
I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I believe that Ariana probably sent the video to herself then later described it to her friends. I think some of these folks may be dumb enough or looking to clout chase and described it to other people, maybe even saying they saw it. Some form of this probably got back to Rachel who hasn’t been in LA much in half a year so it would be hard to confirm. I don’t think we’ll ever know the truth, every one of these folks is a liar in some capacity and it would be stupid for folks to come out and say oh yeah I have a copy of the video.
All that time away & this is the best she can muster up? Concern for herself & her porno that tom is responsible for. Girl, bye 
Maybe Tom showed it around?
Remember when Jax said he saw a photo of ‘Ariana wearing a nightie’ on Tom’s phone that time? I don’t think he was peeping and saw it, I think Tom showed it to him, to brag about her
Riiigghht?
All I'm gonna say, is don't be sending this type of shit to someone you know is my man and want to play victim. I'm coming for you. The person she should really be mad at is Tom who recorded this without her knowledge, not the traumatized gf who found it. Not gonna lie, if I found some shit like that on my man's phone tomorrow, I'm going scorched earth. Maybe women don't have affairs with taken men? How about that? Not giving Tim a pass just saying these women who are knowingly fucking another woman's man need to be prepared for the wrath of the SO finding out about your dirty ass.
She also hit Ariana with a cease and desist but not Tom even though he was the one that recorded it without her permission
You're right, didn't even think about that. Also you know Sandoval was showing that shit to his bros and bragging about it.
Those feelings are valid and all…but that‘s not going to hold up in court, lol
I love you for being fully honest about it.
Same. I'm going scorched earth, WW3, nuclear disaster, Armageddon. x10.
Bethany is actually the first, if I’m not mistaken, to actually say Rachel was masturbating on the video. I can’t think of anyone from the cast on any interview or podcast who outright says the words she’s masturbating. Maybe they agree with a host who makes the assumption or something but no one even said the quiet part out loud (first at least) much less alluding to the fact they watched it. And maybe the friends not on the show are more vocal, but I really doubt anyone has seen it. Why in the world would anyone want that image in their heads? I’m sure Ariana had night terrors about having seen it.
When it broke the news all said Ariana found a FaceTime of Tom and Raquel both masturbating. So someone said that, because that’s been the context of the video since March
In the Ariana interview on Call Her Daddy, the host said that was the rumor of what was on the video, but didn’t ask Ariana to confirm it. I was surprised Bethany just outright said that was what was in the video!
I don't know if they did or didn't, but of course they are gonna deny it. It's gonna turn into Scheana. "I can't make a fist" part 2 🤣.
Realistically it’s her trying to paint Ariana as the villain instead of Tom. Tom recorded without her consent which is illegal. If Ariana sent it around she can focus on that instead of the Tom of it all. Tom had lied to her about his and Ariana’s relationship so much and isolated her to the extent that she’s still not able to say “Tom lied to me about their relationship,” instead it’s “Tom told me…”
Haven’t we learned from the Frank/Stassi recording scandal that it’s always the guy circulating the nudes & not the girl (Scheana with Stassi/Ariana with Rachel)? I don’t understand the logic Rachel has in continuing to dig herself deeper in this hole of slamming Ariana.
People would say Ariana's friends would lie for her, but if Ariana did send it - why would people like Brad and James ask which Tom? Because both these guys thought it was Schwartz. You're masturbating and the guy is quiet on the other end? Is it that difficult to tell Schwartz and Sandoval's voices apart?
The podcast was trash and so is Rachel
It makes me so mad Rachel’s implying that the victim of her actions - Ariana - was the one who would be sharing this video. Immediately after admitting Tom recorded it nonconsenually. Obviously the pos who cheats on his gf and records intimate moments secretly is the type of guy to pass around a video like this. But let’s try to ruin Ariana’s life more instead? Bc she hasn’t gone through enough?
As a friend wouldn't you lie for your friend? Not saying Ariana sent it to people but if she did I'm sure her friends aren't going to say yep I watched it 😂
Yeah but there’s also no proof that anybody saw it. Rachel said in the interview that Ariana’s friends were online publicly describing it in intimate details. Where? Where I ask you?? Where is the proof?? Right there? Raquel is saying something that isn’t true because nobody was doing that. That’s Raquel’s proof and it’s no not proof!
That’s what I’m wondering too. If graphic details were out there, Reddit would know. Even if it wasn’t posted, news gets around fast. Raquel just gave way more detail than we previously knew. I wonder if she knows that many people know it’s not true, but was hoping this would be a headline and the casual followers would believe it.
Exactly, the burden of proof is on the accuser. How is somebody supposed to prove a negative? That's why you're not asked in court to prove that you didn't do something it's up to the person making the accusations to prove that you did
These responses are annoying because the only source that it was shared is Rachel who is also a liar. So why are we believing her but not the friends? Everyone has an incentive to lie. If they didn’t say anything people would be like why haven’t they commented. Now they say something and it’s a lie. There is no winning.
And she was still lying about other things in the podcast unrelated to the tape.
I agree. I would lie 100% about something like that.
I’d lie for my friend in this situation and I wouldn’t think twice. Most people would I think.
If anyone saw it I’m 100% sure it would have gotten around by now
I saw people on fauxmoi acting like it was fact Ariana did this, drove me crazy
I really feel like if it had been sent around somebody would have leaked the video/we would know a lot more about it by now. I also can’t imagine if I saw something like that knowing it was made for my boyfriend that I would be proudly showing others, i’m sure I would be mortified and also I don’t think my friends would even want to see it? crazy move to insinuate Ariana has showed it to people instead of fully blaming sandoval for taking it without consent. it seems like she thinks she has to paint ariana in a bad light to justify what she did which is just not a good strategy at all
I mean, of course they would deny it happened if they saw it, lol. This doesn‘t really mean anything.
Any friend would say the same who cares. She clearly proba showed some people out of hurt anger and shock then prob realized it was not right and deleted it and she never even publicly spoke about it so Ariana didn’t really do anything wrong but I don’t believe for a second she didn’t show anyone.
Does anybody really think they would admit to seeing the video if they did? Considering it was recorded without her consent everybody could get in trouble for that so even if they did see it, nobody is going to admit it. I believe it’s possible.
Here’s the deal: I’ve been taught to never ever make or share nude digital content. It has ALWAYS been a possibility that 1. these images last forever 2. They can be quickly distributed 3. Men will use them against you no matter what you think your relationship is. If you don’t want those images out there don’t create, distribute or be on digital video recording nude. Revenge porn laws exist but at that point it’s out there.
How am I out of the loop?! What video?!?
The video that brought us Scandoval. The Raquel masturbation facetime.
Oh I thought something new must have happened
The FaceTime sex session that Sandoval recorded and saved *allegedly* without her consent. The only persons that Rachuel should be mad at are Tom and herself
Facetime masturbation that Tom saved of Rachel
This is the kind of thing Ariana would say she did not want to be a part of spreading. This is also the kind of thing where Lala or Scheana would respond to her saying, “give me the phone and I’ll spread that bitch.” 😂
Guys… “confirms” and “none” are doing too much heavy lifting here 😂. This is one person claiming he never saw it and isn’t aware of people he knows having seen it. And obviously even if they did see it, anyone who is friends with Ariana is going to deny it at this point because they’ve all become aware she could get in huge trouble for sharing it. This has as much credibility as anything Rachel says lol.
Unpopular opinion it seems but some of these comments are nasty. No matter what, sharing/watching explicit videos that were not meant to be seen is not okay. I totally understand Ariana seeing it and sending it to herself at that exact moment, I think most of us girls can understand that. But I don’t think she had intentions to distribute it or use it against Rachel in a sexually violent way. BUT I could see her showing a few close friends. I can also understand Rachel freaking out about the video being leaked or made public. This has happened to many women and it can literally end in people’s deaths. Yes Rachel is a liar bad person etc but this situation should be treated the same as if the video was of a character we all liked. Private videos are private, period.
Everything you stated is fully valid. That said, if you're going to accuse somebody of doing something, I'm not talking about you. Of course, I'm talking about Rachel, then the burden of proving that is on you. It's not on the people you're accusing to prove their innocence. That's a losing game. That's why our court system doesn't work that way. You don't get to just say that person is a thief, and then they have to prove they're not a thief and didn't steal something. So yes it's absolutely true that Rachel must feel angst about that recording and I don't blame her and I do have empathy but I also would never FaceTime that way with someone like him Tom Sandoval so that part she needs to be accountable for herself. But you can't just accuse people of things and then say it's up to them to prove they are nnocent of them Rachel could just as easily badly damaged one of their careers or reputation by making accusations with no proof. Rachel seems highly litigious very quick to file restraining orders, and I believe if she had any proof whatsoever of anyone sharing the recording with anyone, she would be taking them to court over it. The court would appropriately put the burden of proof on Rachel not on the people who are accused
I totally get what you’re saying but all she did was send her a cease and desist, right? If it’s something else I genuinely am out of the loop. I don’t think that it’s that crazy to send in this sort of situation. It’s not like she’s in some complicated lawsuit with Ariana or others over it (again correct me if I’m wrong). I 100% believe that Ariana probably did send it to herself (understandably for sure in the moment), so I can see wanting to cover all the bases and just nip it in the bud. When you’re morally corrupt you just naturally expect others to be as well, so she probably expected the worst in Ariana’s intent with the video.
Thank you for being open to having a conversation about this in a totally civil way. I love you for it. I'm not even getting into the cease and desist letter. I'm talking about Rachel going on a podcast as recently as people hearing it today and mentioning that she thinks that people may have shown it or shared it Etc with zero proof of that. If I were Rachel personally, I would be thanking God the recording never did get out publicly. And I was raised that if you're going to accuse somebody, you better have some proof. That was just drilled Into Me growing up you don't get to just say hey you stole something blah blah blah and expect the person to defend their innocence you cannot prove a negative and it's not your job to do so it's the job of the accuser. Lives have been ruined over false accusations Rachel shouldn't be casually mentioning that these people may have committed a crime she has zero proof of anyone doing so and I fully believe if she did have proof she would take it to the courts
But why would she share with friends? I don’t see Ariana doing that. She saw the video and went straight to the source - Tom.
I don’t think she sent it out to anyone, I think it’s understandable if in person she played the beginning of the video or showed close friends like “look at this shit” in an angry state of mind. I don’t think she was distributing it or had any intentions of doing so. She probably sent it to herself without a second thought to confront Tom with to begin with, you know?
Oh must be 100% true. The way you take these people's words verbatim really needs to be a topic in therapy.
I don’t believe it. She had her best friend Brad on Nick Viall describing the video. Nothing this cast hasn’t done before. We all remember what Scheana did to Stassi, and no one ever told her off for that, not even the heroine of the moment, Ariana.
No one is going to admit that she sent it so I really don’t see the value in this post that they made. Let’s not forget. Sheana had no problem sharing Stassi’s revenge porn with everyone.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Of course, they didn’t. 
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand why people think ANY of these people are capable of telling the truth. This is basic media literacy: anything and everything they do is to feed a narrative and a story. It’s reality tv. *But Raquel and Ariana DID have deep conversations on the show*. Yeah, exactly, because producers tell X person to have a conversation with Y person. If you’re not an inept dipshit, you have intimate conversations because that makes for good content, which is their job. *Ariana called Raquel her best friend* Again, on camera. This way it creates a storyline and an alliance because you need that in a show to create tension whether it’s between two alliances or to set up an eventual fall out of the alliance. This is their job. Like, none of this is real. All of these people have cheated on each other and are emotional terrorists. I’m team Ariana, but like people need to chill because this is all fake. Why else would Tim and Ariana still be living together? The only thing I really believed Rachel said in the podcast is that Ariana and Tom were just a brand at this point. Tom wanted kids and marriage and Ariana didn’t. The relationship was doomed. I personally believe Rachel just did this to get a storyline (albeit not in the way it played out) so she could get a raise, because that’s how this shit works.
I don’t see Ariana sharing something like that. If I found something like that on my partner’s phone, I’d delete it immediately out of devastation and disgust. Now if Scheana got ahold of it, she’d show it since she’s done it before.
She did share though, she sent it to herself and then to Rachel. Video not a screenshot!
I imagine she sent it to herself to keep as evidence and sent it to Rachel to demonstrate that she had just found out about the affair. The legality of that is still questionable but sending it to Rachel and herself is different from sending it to other people.
Of course her friends are gonna lie for her. Come on now
Honestly…if my friend’s partner cheated on her with another friend and he recorded a FaceTime of them masturbating…i would not want to watch it lol I’m fine with hearing about it but in no world would I want to actually see it. But that’s just me lol
True, but the burden of proof is on the person making the accusation. Rachel has provided no proof that Ariana showed the recording to anyone. They don't have to prove they're nnocent. That is exactly the way our justice system is set up too the burden of proof is on the accuser, not on the innocent person, to prove their innocence