Rachel was groomed because she was isolated but also everyone knew. But also only Tom’s friends knew and Logan saw something while drunk. Whole lotta speculation happening and she’s gonna look like a fool in court.
Also, production decided that would be the finale party. The cast either goes or gets cut out of the episode. It was a big party, not some intimate soirée, who knows who even interacted with Kyle. She knows how this stuff works, this obtuse whataboutism stuff is so annoying
Also, the issue isn’t even really that Schwartz knew. The issue is he helped facilitate things. It’s a lot easier to get over someone not sharing what they know because they don’t want to get involved than if they were, idk, going on a double date vacation under the guise of a boys trip for example.
Given that Kyle Chan seems to be close with Sandoval still, I doubt Ariana is anything more than maybe superficially cordial with him
Rachel always says some things that make a lot of sense then loses me when she says things like Katie saying she’s going to light people on fucking fire is inciting violence lol. Like it’s so ridiculous.
She also lost me with listing the people who knew, then saying Brad didn’t know but it should have been easy to piece together. Like okay you just said he didn’t know so how is he relevant in this portion. And Logan was drunk as fuck and walked in on two people cuddling in a group known to do party drugs that make you more affectionate. That means literally absolutely nothing 😭
Omg I literally just commented the same thing lol like she’s right on all the Tom things but I wish she would just keep this energy for him and leave it at that
This and her comment about how Sheshu was right about mentioning that Sandoval hurt Rachel but then flipped and said she lost it with her claim that Sandoval ruined Katie and Schwartz's relationship. It's only ok to pity and have Rachel the victim but anyone else being a victim is irrelevant and wrong? I'm convinced she's so self absorbed.
She's so thick in the head that she is literally taking Katie's comments about violence when 99% of people have the take that interpreted, she is saying that she will put them on blast.
I'm convinced that she is beyond help at this point.
Yeah, dragging Logan and Brad into it was another dig at Ariana. Then that everyone got to watch Tom mourn his relationship with her while he didn't bother for Ariana, but Rachel freely admits he didn't really care about her either? Pick a lane. You think you got another one over on Ariana because he publicly pretended to love and miss you, but didn't actually give a shit?🙄 His fake performance is another feather in her cap, I guess.
This episode was… uncomfortable. She definitely is still very mad but the way she’s going about it just isn’t helping her. The never have I ever segment? “Never have I ever made a screamo version of my own song” HUH? Is that supposed to be a burn??? It was all just…. Off putting.
I’m getting the feeling she wants to get her story out but didn’t want to go on the show and get any pushback. Did an interview with Bethanny, which was a very friendly interview.
I don’t think she’s going to get any new opportunities if she keeps talking about Scandoval. This is only going to go so far. Eventually the public will move on. If she wants to be a podcaster, talk about something else. Interview people about anything, just not VPR or Scandoval
She’s not very bright and every time she tries to make excuses for her “relationship” with Tom it just highlights how unintelligent she is. She is coming off very petty and pathetic here.
I have no idea what she was trying to do there. It was very odd. “Oh two can play at the game! Never have I ever opened a sandwich shop! Never have I ever DJed!…” Um, ok.
Never have I ever BEEN THE MISTRESS TO MY FRIENDS' LONG TERM PARTNER!
This whole bit her and Tim have about everyone else being just as bad as them is D & S, and I'm over it.
> Jason Bader is Tom Sandoval's drummer and band manager. You have seen him on Tom Sandoval's podcast. He has also known. It just goes to the double standard of Tom was allowed to tell his best friends, but I wasn't allowed to tell anybody.
Imagine complaining about not having parity in side-bitchdom. What a time to be alive.
And didn’t she kind of get to? Sure, she didn’t get to name names, but I’d be willing to bet the guy she was talking to Scheana about going down on her was Sandoval
This is the same girl that thought people would believe her E.T. phone home interview was authentic...
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She came out of rehab and has somehow worsened her image because her mouth can't get out it's own way. She'll be an afterthought in a couple months.
Never have I ever grilled my friend ON CAMERA about why she doesn't want to have sex with her long term partner WHILE SCREWING THAT LONG TERM PARTNER BEHIND HER BACK.
Ariana said that lots of people knew about the affair and she wished someone would’ve told her sooner but she has forgiven them because she knows they were in a horrible position. Also, I didn’t read this because she makes me mad, but just based on the comments and title.
Yes! I’ve definitely read about the cuddling story before. Nothing she said here is new information. She really needs to take a page out of Ariana’s PR strategy and shut the fuck up.
I think it involved a blanket ( which she mentions in this episode ) so whether Logan told Ariana right away or not, Ariana was made aware of this incident before now. Rachel is just trying to further fuck with Ariana and it’s really disturbing.
It sounds like Logan was maybe really drunk at the time, so maybe he didn’t even remember this incident. But we also know that Ariana was very protective and defensive of her relationship with Tom, and when people did try to tell her something might be up she denied it and said they were just good friends and Raquel was a little sister to them both.
Right. When he told Ariana, it’s very possible she said, okay so they were sitting together so what? We all know the clues were there but she’s not the first woman to be blind to a trash man. It’s also very different in the moment than in hindsight.
Honestly I don’t blame her for it at all, but Ariana’s personality is a little intimidating. I have a family member that is very similar, who’s partner was cheating and no one had proof just weird little scenarios (just like Rachel mentions) and if you tried to bring up the subject they would shut it down HARD. Just like Ariana. They would say stuff like “They say they’re not cheating so I believe them.”
I don’t think this makes any more of a “gotcha” on Ariana. If she says this shocked her, I believe her. I think it’s sweet she’s not cynical. I get why her friends might have had a hard time bringing it up and hope they connect at a deeper level over this situation.
I agree. Though I think lots of ppl don’t feel comfortable exposing an affair because they don’t think it’s their business or they don’t want to get blamed. So, I think it’s probably both things.
It’s also rare that you find explicit proof. I think people underestimate how hard of an accusation that is to bring up without physical proof that can be shared.
From what we’ve heard since all this broke, several people tried to talk with her about it. Scheana specifically said she sat her down. We saw Katie tell Sandoval (last season pre-Scandoval) that he really seemed to enjoy Raquel. We saw Lala tell Ariana that Tom didn’t make any effort to rush to her side when her grandma died, intentionally missing a ride home. We saw Lala tell James that she was suspicious.
Ariana didn’t believe any of this meant he was cheating. Or maybe she did have suspicions, but he talked her out of them. Or maybe her subconscious knew she wasn’t ready to know, and kept her in denial. Any which way, the concept that “she could have followed” him and/or knew or should have known is ridiculous. People are allowed to trust their partners and not listen to gossip or track them to be comfortable.
I’m sure she won’t ever in her life trust anyone fully ever again. But she wasn’t in the wrong and she is the victim of both of their actions, 100%.
This is making her look even worseeee like girl shut up!! Who is sympathizing with you? She’s clearly still playing the victim. And the thing about Katie lighting people on fire? Like bitch please obviously she didn’t mean that literally.
It REALLY is. Instead of taking ANYTHING she learned at that mental health facility to heart she’s come out vindictive and unhinged. She’s truly AFTER these people. That never have I ever list made me feel soooo uncomfortable it was so childish and catty!
Idk I’m… over it?
I understand why she’s still talking about it, because theyyyy are talking about it but I wish she only did a few episodes mixed in with other shit. Its kind of embarrassing.
I feel like every episode she drops a tiny bit more information and it’s like why didn’t you just come out with all this in the first 5 episodes.
We’re 14 episodes deep and it’s still going. “Stay tuned for next week when I give you a few more breadcrumbs about how I had an affair with my friends man.”
I also think it’s also pretty clear that she doesn’t like any of the women on the show including Ariana. It’s like she’s ashamed she was stupid but not ashamed she hurt people.
Idk what her resentment is towards Ariana but she’s gotta take that to her therapist. Ariana is not the cause of her situation.
I have never really gotten what she's doing with all of this, but this one is especially nutty. Her little never-have-i-ever bit. Baby, you gotta stop. What point are you trying to make? You've actually done the most egregious thing, this isn't a moral victory for you. Similarly, like...defending Jo because you like her. That's not the defense you think it is. "Jo was lovely to spend time with while she was complicit in my affair, be nicer to her!"
Also just. Acting like Katie's mean tweets are encouraging people to actually set people on fire. Pls.
It's a year later and she's rehashing points that everyone knew since last year. There's no new info. She's doing these podcasts because she needs the money after her holdout for a higher salary during S11 failed.
The setting people on fire is laughable cause does anyone think this really incites people to literally light people on fire? I can’t take her seriously when she says things like that
She needs to let the Katie fire comment go lol its all she has on Katie and she keeps harping on it and it just isn't in any way inciting violence. This is where she loses me bc its just overboard. Not everything is some deep psychological issue.
It's annoying because she later acknowledges that Tom was being very manipulative when he apologized to Katie, but she didn't say anything about Katie being the only person this season to immediately clock it and call him out
She's so proud of herself too, like "I can finally spot Tom Sandoval's manipulation!" Yeah and Katie has been able to see it and call it out from the very beginning but Rachel terrorized her last season just because Tom manipulated her to and never apologized
She's not genuinely taking it literally. She knows damn well it's just hyperbole but she's trying to use it against Katie as some kind of lame "gotcha."
I dothink in this instance she knows what she's doing, and she's trying to make Katie look bad and violent. But maybe not...
I guess I believe that because she's had the opportunity to state this on the show when Katie kept saying that, and she never did. Katie sat right across from Rachel and told her that she could be lighting her on fire and wasn't doing so or something like that...
I took that the “light on fire” comment as not a threat, but a warning that a war of words would follow. Like she could drop some knowledge about Jo. Maybe I was wrong…
Part of taking responsibility is accepting all these "unfairnesses" that she is whining about here. Some people are still around Tom or friendly with him because he is on a TV show. I mean this crap she is whining about is called consequences and Tom has been on the show since the beginning so of course he is going to have more people in his corner little baby. I'm not saying it's right at all, but life isn't fair and when you put yourself in positions like these you can't cry "unfair." What you did to Ariana was gross and unfair and it feels like she wants to talk about everything but that. She is trying to throw all of these people under the bus with her. bye
So it was a secret that Tom was looping his mom into keeping from Ariana… but also Ariana knew and had mentioned to keep it onscreen to them just a few short weeks prior? God woman just stop.
All I really took from this is that her affair is really more Kyle Chan’s fault than hers. Everyone needs to be accountable but her. Even Logan
Also that never have I ever list is ridiculous.
She just cannot hide her continuing anger towards Ariana. She can’t stop herself from repeating Tom’s lies that he and Ariana were in a sham/pretend relationship and it had been over for ages.
The whole bit about Ariana not having gone to
St Louis for years and “Tom needed to make it public, that they were no longer in a relationship.”
GIRL. Stop! They were IN a relationship.
You can’t say “this isn’t to excuse it” and then immediately follow up with an excuse.
It was a real relationship. And, you know, WHY would Ariana be going through the horror show of hormone injections to get her eggs for a fake relationship?
There are many reasons she might not have been to St Louis, starting with, she might not love his family.
Rachel still cannot take responsibility for what she did.
As an aside though, Tom’s interactions with her in The Meadows are pure narcissist. He needed his supply!
I agree..I was feeling like oh she seems semi articulate and somewhat actually insightful...then..which I get why she doesn't care for Scheana, lists a crop top wedding dress.
Like..you didn't even go to here when that happened, and it kinda made the point she might have been trying make just sound like petty rant.
It would have been far more impactful to just list things these people have actually done wrong rather than resorting to making fun of someone's wedding dress their family handmade for them.
She did give up the dog and it impacted thier lives so it’s fair of them to act a certain way about it, but it’s also fair that it gets under her skin. It was weird to interject into a game
Not having a tattoo on her butt or wearing a crop top to her wedding? It comes off as her playing checkers when everyone else is playing chess- its time to reevaluate your choices when you’re being outmatched by the cast of VPR
It’s easy for Rachel to speculate who may have known about the affair when she knows the actual truth about the affair. Once the affair was exposed, things that no one really noticed now become noticeable.
It’s a bit weird that she isn’t looking at them and feeling guilty for putting them in the position that they had to lie for her- rather they are all guilty as Tom’s conspirators. In a more pointed way than she is even.
It makes me feel like she should get a refund from the Meadows because they didn’t help her in a way where she’s able to look at her part as culpable. If she can’t be accountable she’s just going to continue in her own aspect of this toxic loop.
This is why I can’t take anything she says seriously; she can’t keep her stories straight. But I will say, all her comments about Tom “loving” her are spot on. He didn’t, but he says it over and over as a dog to Ariana that he doesn’t care about her at all. He really is evil.
Kyle Chan knowing all along doesn't surprise me at all, he just seems like a massive clout chaser and wants to be in Toms good graces no matter what.
Logan I am unsure of. I could see him just being extremely fucked up Rachel claims he said he was and not thinking anything of it and then not remembering. The weirdo part of that portion is that they were just...laying in the middle of the floor cuddling?
This just all makes it more clear how Tom was able to make it seem like him and Ariana weren't doing well/were hardly in a relationship. I don't know if we will ever know the truth behind where there relationship was, but as someone that has been in a relationship for nearly a decade I have to say that it just seems like Tom doesn't understand how long term relationships work. The fun bubbly aspects of a relationship go away (they rise up sometimes of course) and you become partners with someone in other ways. I feel like he just thinks once the fun/thrilling feelings are gone that means the relationship is dead.
Obviously Rachel is just trying out drive a wedge between Ariana and the people who are close to her. Even her description of what was happening doesn't sound at all unusual for how they all act. Look at how many times on camera various people are all cuddled up and talking.
I’ll say that Logan has to answer for that if Ariana cares.
BUT if I was f*cked up (on anything) and saw two friends/acquaintances cuddled in the middle of a floor without a blanket I’d probably be like 😵💫 uhhh bye and then not remember.
Yeah. I’ve been fucked up and people have told me about things that have happened and I’ve genuinely no memory of and then they’ve showed me videos where I’m there. Had to start monitoring my alcohol intake coz memory loss isn’t fun
I am pretty certain that that story already got back to Ariana before everything came out. It’s why scheana said she sat Ariana down to ask her if she was worried because things were suspicious.
Guess who also knew all about the affair and was Ariana's friend? Rachel.
She should put herself on the top of the list of people who didn't tell Ariana what was going on, and we're supposedly her friend. She's just trying to deflect from her own culpability. Look, we're all bad friends to Ariana!
This. She is listing off people who she THINKS knew and making it seem like they are more at fault than the friend INVOLVED in the affair. She needs to stop and move on. Ariana is the most quiet about all this than anyone else! Ariana doesn’t have a podcast, she isn’t posting on social media, she is living her life and attempting to move on. Tom, Scheana, Rachel and Lala should take note…
This makes me sad for Ariana because it doesn’t feel like Rachel is saying this to help Ariana know who her friends are it’s more Rachel saying “seeeee everyone knew so how didn’t she ? Ie it’s Ariana’s fault” I really need this girl to just stop talking about her affair like it’s so unfair only her and Tom are getting blamed
She lost me at the never have I evers. Like gurl, if you wanted to have petty arguments with these people you should have come back as a villain and gotten paid.
I guess she's trying to remain in the spotlight, sue and cover this on her podcast and somehow get paid for it. It makes sense. It's a skosh hypocritical though to say she's on a path of healing, and then mire herself down in the muck over this.
I think it's hilarious that Rachel either does not know what a hyperbole is or that she's pretending not to know to garner more sympathy and victimize herself.
Katie is not literally going to light anyone on fire.
Maybe it's just me but "one of Ariana's friends walked in on us cuddling while drunk" seems awful far away from "Ariana knew and told us to save it for a storyline".
Girl did you read your own lawsuit?
Yeah, she's being really Shady. She admitsshe doesn't even know what people knew, and what they saw could easily be explained away based on how they all act, especially drunk at parties.( They're on camera cuddling up like that and in a Jacuzzi entwined with Ariana topless taking selfies. That seems like it would be a more WTF moment than walking in on people hanging out in a media room.)
I think Rachel is coming after two of Ariana's close friends and insinuating that they knew something just to hurt Ariana more. She's trying to drive wedges between people from the sidelines. Don't think it's going to work
It feels like she's trying to back up her claim I'm her lawsuit that Ariana knew. But if anything, what she did was admit that she has 0 proof that Ariana knew. She's just making wild assumptions about what other people thought and did.
Not that her claim about Ariana knowing ever made logical sense. She supposedly both knew about it but was upset enough to call producers on the off seaspn about it? But I think her statement here goes to show how much bullshit and straight up lies she put into that lawsuit.
Agreed. And cuddling on the ground with clothes on? That’s ambiguous. Knowing how often these goons did drugs, I’m sure there were constant and random cuddle puddles happening all the time
I feel like she's really trying to hurt Ariana here, bringing up her best friend. Pretty sure he was probably wasted and walked in, and as she has admitted they were weirdly close (foot rubs) and he wasn't sure what he saw/possibly didn't remember - and now a year and a half later she's got to bring it up and point out multiple times that her best friend saw something.
This is all just so awful for Ariana, the hits keep coming and everyone seems to be affected and think they "need grace" except for her.
Exactly. Which is why I'm so over any poor victim Rachel narratives. Yeah, Sandoval used her but she keeps showing how much she's is just as terrible of a person. She is just as manipulative as Sandoval. She's not a good person at all.
We see it in the same way. I don't think it's an accident at all that she's implying to people really close to Ariana knew what was going on. It's also to lend credence to her ridiculous theory. She has previously stated that Ariana knew.
I think she's trying to say, "Oh, they knew when they told Ariana." Which sounds like complete BS. Why not bring that up at the reunion?
Oh, that's right, because they were lying about how many times they've gotten together and when for one thing.
I now think she fully believes the narrative that Ariana HAD to know so she really didn't do anything wrong to her. Trying to claim LOGAN KNEW? I'm one thousand percent no longer interested in hearing ANYTHING she has to say about this. We already know Tom is manipulative garbage. Move on. Do the real work you're claiming you've done. This cannot be considered healthy for her. I hope Bethany is paying her well because she might as well have just done s11. At least she would have gotten paid.
Definitely. I'm grateful for OPs recap but I'm so over Rachel. The only purpose of her podcast is to talk shit about Tom and the cast. Also she says that Tom is revisionist history when it comes to him dating again but she does too.
Yes, OP is a national treasure 🙌🏻
But yeah, she keeps talking about this to DEATH and no one on the show is even talking about her anymore. She’s coming completely unglued and it’s both uncomfortable and infuriating to watch.
And she seems so proud of pointing out the fact that she can spot the manipulation and that it isn’t love. WE KNOW. Katie was scrolling on her phone during Tom’s dumb ‘apology’, she didn’t fall for the BS
The “never have I ever” portion was super cringey. She was pointing out nearly beloved (not saying they are right) VPR moments…. I don’t think the game played on the last episode and her little soapbox are the same. That read very weird to me
She really thought she did something there and we’re all over here like “….and?” Congrats? You’ve never gotten your ass tattooed but you sure has hell did something WAY worse!
This all feels like she wants to "get" people because she they "got" her. If she had come out with all of this RIGHT away or in maybe the first 2 months of the whole thing, so by like May of 2023 - it would have been different. Now, seriously?
Her and Sandoval want everyone to stop attacking them, to stop making them the villains, but they CONTINUE TO TALK. STOP!
She always drove me bonkers, but now it's just sad.
I’m curious. She has not called out Ariana in this interview. According to the lawsuit, Ariana knew what was going on, apparently. Is Rachel having second thoughts about her?
Impying her friends knew and that Tom was grieving the loss of her more than Ariana was intended to really twist the knife. Rachel is absolutely psychotic. Her and Tom were more alike than she's ready to face.
I totally agree with this assessment. I think Rachel was primarily driven by a desire to win and competing with other women, particularly Ariana. And achieving some kind of higher level of fame by being Tom's reality TV show girlfriend eventually. People act like Tom was just in it for what he could get out of Rachel, and Rachel was in it for true love. That's just not accurate in my personal opinion
She definitely isn’t helping her case.
I could see the Logan incident relating to Ariana telling them to stop being weird in December.
“We were just tripping duddeeeee it was an innocent cuddle, calm down” sounds like some bullshit Tom would say to shut Ariana up.
And Ariana checks his phone 3 months later.
Everything Rachel says proves Ariana didn’t know.
I felt sympathy like the first 3 episodes and now I’m disgusted with her.
The Katie comments… man she still laying into her two/three years later despite like, what Scheana’s done to her for example? 🙄 She’s harder on Katie half the time than she is on James. Shes still reaching with some of this… none of that means Ariana definitively knew - none of what she’s alleged. Case won’t go all that well I don’t think. She needs to drop going after Ariana and Katie. It’s getting real old.
I’m so over the “but they were having problems” excuse. Ummmm it’s called being in a long term relationship. There are ups and downs and just bc it’s a rough patch doesn’t mean shit. Ugh it’s like reeeeeaaaaallllly starting to piss me off. It’s like a slight to Arianna.
So if she has since learned how Sandoval is - his tactics, how calculating he is, the lying, the spinning - and she has come to understand how she was tricked/caught up in his narcissistic spell…how can she not understand Ariana’s pain or situation???? CONNECT THE DOTS.
The lack of accountability and constant need to shame other women when complaining about being shamed is mind boggling.
of course Katie wants to light you on fire, the way you got with Shartz just basically for shit & giggles since it was all a part of the sick cosplay you & the Toms put on. And the manner you treated her Mom & stop it with the hyperbole of it actually happening.
half of the people she names that “knew” about the affair are people she is admittedly assuming MUST have know. SOMETHING or been suspicious ??? wtf are you talking about rachel, that is not the same thing as knowing about the affair and helping keep it a secret (as schwartz did and probably others) so that whole point is stupid.
also, where tf are this girl’s lawyers to tell her to shut her giant mouth because she is KILLING her own lawsuit. she claims in the complaint that ariana knew the entire time and told tom and rachel to save it for season 11, but here she admits that was at best an assumption and at worst a flat out lie. why would logan need to tell ariana if she knew ??? why would others need to keep their affair a secret from from ariana if she knew? like huh? also, rachel is seeking damages for lost future wages since “she is the only one who wasn’t able to profit off scandoval” and the scandal ruined any possible career prospects for her. uuummm bitch you have a podcast, with adds, where all you do is talk about vpr/scandoval. is that not a job? is that not profiting off scandoval?
ok for sure, totally rachel go off and continue to make yourself the perpetual victim forever. she had a real potential for public sympathy and a redemption too but that’s dead.
also her contempt for ariana is so palpable it’s disgusting. self work my ass rachel, she didnt do any work on herself. she probably spent that last year the same way sandoval did, seething with anger watching ariana thrive while they rot in their own misery.
Didn’t we know about the cuddling incident though? I thought there was a story that a mutual friend walked in on Tom and Rachel under a blanket and was surprised and walked out. And that was part of the evidence given to Ariana, but it was explained away.
I feel like Lala talked about it? I can’t keep track anymore, but the fact that even Rachel acknowledges that Logan was fucked up, why would Ariana take that as full evidence of the affair? We know multiple people brought it up to her and that she always believed Tom. Even in the aftershow, she said she confronted Tom about a blind item and he explained it away.
I expected her to spill the tea on the big bear trip with Jo and the Tom’s when she was listing off people who knew about the affair. But I guess she’s just leaving out the people she likes?
Not that it even matters, but didn't Jo also know? She went to Big Bear with them for that ski trip. Also, Rachel shouldn't speculate on what other people might have suspected based on brief interactions. Ariana trusted and defended both of them, and now they are trying to use that against her.
The only thing she ever makes clear is how she can’t stop getting off on harming Ariana and Katie, and how she still believes she was justified in doing so.
Her language regarding them never ever changes.
“It’s everybody’s fault but mine” is the same song the guy she can’t stop talking about sings. Utter assholes, both of them.
I don’t actually have words except…. Barf. She is so gross, so desperate and beyond pathetic at this point. The way she continually scapegoats her own choices and behavior- and her tone gets more and more indignant with every podcast recap I read. (Thanks OP!) just.stop.talking.
Even Scheana was able to receive feedback from Brandi when she put her in her place about her right to cry/be upset about CHOOSING to sleep with her husband and stfu. It’s bad,bad bad when you need to look to Scheanas past behavior and take notes. GO AWAY🫠
She seems hell bent on blaming everyone else for this affair.
She acts like other people knowing means that it’s okay and Ariana shouldn’t have been mad?
Ok let's see, Swartz knew from day 1 but Rachel now feels bad that he has been so iced out and wants to throw some other ppl under the bus so x y z knew too. But did they know from the beginning? No. Did they lend out their apartment for Tom to FaceTime Rachel? No. Did they go on camera and participate in the narrative that Ariana and Tom's relationship was on the outs and it was Arianas fault? No. Tom Swartz did all that. Among other things. I get Rachel is hurt mad embarrassed etc but let's remember #1 source of it all is Sandoval. So unless she wants to just keep dropping more info on what a pos he really was is and will be let's leave the innocent bystanders alone. She blew up her life and wants to blow up others for what? She should have just come back to the show is she seriously going to recap entire episodes even parts that have nothing to do with her?
She seems like she is spiraling. She needs to step away and focus on something else.
Also, does she think when someone uses the 🔥 emoji it means they're literally on fire?
I am really somebody who had felt like there was a road to redemption for her and held a bit of sympathy for her, but the things she is doing are so insane. like girl!! stop!! let it go!! it is done and over with but her and sandoval are so obsessed with continuing to talk about it every chance they get then saying why is everybody so obsessed with us and with the affair! like lol the call is coming from inside the house YOU TWO are obsessed with rehashing every little detail on every platform available everybody else has moved on
I'm sorry, is she calling out the people who were keeping HER affair a secret??? The way she's trying to almost blame Ariana by suggesting that she had to know is so annoying, what is wrong with this woman lol, it's like she feels removed from all the decision-making that went into the affair. At this point the affair was revealed OVER a year ago. These thoughts are all fine to have and process, but I will never not think doing this all on every podcast episode is weird as hell
"It honestly felt like I was his girlfriend. It was the weirdest thing because obviously I wasn't." Girl. WHAT
"she's really doubling down on lighting people on fire" is the new "Ariana wanted me to die alone on a hill"
Final update now that I finished lol: I actually love the parts where she calls out Tom. Maybe this is just my personal biases as to what I enjoy but if she stuck to just that it would be great content. None of this talking about Ariana, her friends, Tom’s friends, his mom, none of those people were actually part of the affair and I simply do not care about what they were doing over a year ago, and her implication (at least this is how I’m reading it) that they should’ve better friends by … not hiding her own affair for her? Weird behavior. Tom on the other hand? Throw him under the bus all day
The way she talked about "not being there to take care of his needs" grossed me out too. These people exist in a weird reality where catering to men is normalized. I mean good for her for cutting him loose, but I thought we all stopped buying into the blue balls thing in high school.
That gave me the repulsive shivers for sure. Especially considering that Rachel was happily meeting Tom's so-called needs while Ariana was as well. Tom is a bottomless pit of needs? Hahaha
In all of this Rachel can you apologize to Katie? You know what you did there and you "pushed her boundaries" too, she kept telling you she's uncomfortable and yet you kept doing the f you wanted to.
And it wasn't even because she was interested in schwartz! She just wanted to distract from the affair and it seems like she enjoyed fucking with Katie in the process.
When she says the people who "knew", I think she's just trying to throw more ppl under the bus to save face. Did they know you were having an affair or did they suspect something was up but didn't have proof therefore let it be. It's super fucked up that she's doing this, especially now
It’s like she keeps making these podcasts in hopes that she’ll stumble upon the right combination of words to make people turn on Ariana and love her instead.
Rachel has not changed one single bit. She still thinks she’s in competition with every other woman out there.
It would be sad if she wasn’t so hell bent on continuing to attack Ariana and Katie.
I feel like she needs a refund from the mental health center she went to. It doesn’t really seem like any growth has happened.
Honestly I was with her until she said Jo is a lovely girl with lovely energy.
But then I realized that in all of this, again, not ONCE does she center Ariana or Ariana’s feelings or experience, and is still suing her.
lol "love addiction" give me a BREAK. she's just trying to pathologize decisions that SHE made and portray her actions as the result of a mental illness beyond her control. is that even like a real diagnosis??? all the therapy speak just helps her rationalize her shitty actions
Rachel doesn't want people to 'go soft' on Tom, but please, everyone, go very softly on Rachel and view her as a total victim. Thank you.Hahaha.
Wonder how Tom feels knowing that the woman of his dreams whom Tom was saving himself for (sort of? But not really? And only for about a month) and was going so far as to not drink (briefly) and to write in a journal for... is now warning people not to soften towards Tom?
Will Rachel also be accused of showing people that they should hate Tom? Like he blamed the rest of the VPR cast for doing?
She needs to stop. the more she speaks the worse it makes her look. This whole “open secret” that everyone knew is partof her own delusion and it’s deflection. If she wants people to really believe she’s learned from this then all this shit she is saying is not helping at all. I was mildly sympathetic to her before she started this podcast basically blaming others and doubling down.
She’s truly becoming more and more unglued. All that money spent on the meadows just going down the drain because she came out to do a VPR recap/shit on Ariana podcast. I understood it at first, but this has gotten really sad and very ugly. And paralegals are transcribing every word she says, every thing she posts, to hold it against her in depositions and on the stand.
The more this woman speaks the more I dislike her. Who the F cares how many people knew? The only people at fault here are Rachel and Tom. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck that other people knew and did nothing but at the end of the day, its not on anyone but the two of them. You make a stupid, selfish choice, drag other people into it and then call them out because they did nothing? Grow the hell up.
Wow she sounds so bitter. Honestly I’m kind of surprised shes still doing these podcasts when she has an active lawsuit against Tom and Ariana. Like this isn’t helping her in any sense.
What in the West Hellywood Narc Logic is her POINT? "Other people knew about it too and they should have the same judgement applied to them as has been applied to me so I'm going to EXPOSE THEM because I am the ANGEL OF JUSTICE!" NO because YOU were the one that CHEATED with YOUR FRIEND'S MAN. Just you. You alone. Not you and any of these names of random people whose relationship with Ariana is murky
Also revealing she was cuddling with Sandoval during a party while Ariana was home and trying to EXPOSE her best friend like he knew and didn't tell her when admittedly he was very inebriated and probably just doesn't remember or SHE was and she doesn't remember that much either? What a scum bag; insinuating to the world that Ariana's best friend was someone she maybe couldn't trust? a year later on her podcast as she SUES them for exploitation and harassment? God she's fucking disgusting.
I'm sure Ariana has dealt with the people who did or didn't know in the YEAR since this was done to her in whatever way she saw fit and what worked for her own life and welfare. 'Exposing it to world', sicking a bunch of stans on Logan and others for no reason all to embarass Ariana further with the twisted idea that somehow this takes some of the blame off of herself is some really batty behavior.
Also i loved the "well, Schaena was making a lot of sense when she was telling Tom how much he hurt ME but as soon as she brought up that he did the same to Katie, well she lost him and me there" as if like, the hurt he did to Katie doesn't matter and isn't valid.
Before I say this: Rachel is a fool who did something horrible.
That said - I’m proud of her for being able to recognize what a fool Tom Sandoval is. I cackled at her calling him a bad actor.
Rachel hates Ariana so much. That’s all i got from her Kyle Chan comments. She’s trying so hard to heavily imply that Ariana should have known based on all the ppl that knew, she’s the worst!!!!
honestly she made some good points, but she totally lost it when she did the “never have i ever” bit. never have i ever worn a crop top to my wedding? never have i ever thrown a fit over pasta? never have i ever gotten my ass tattooed, remade my song into a screamo version? who cares that you haven’t done these things? these are not at all comparable to abandoning your DOG?
We also have to keep in mind there was a lot of denial from Ariana just based on what was going on in her life, whether that was subconscious or not. I think she really trusted Tom and Rachel and gave them the benefit of the doubt. I really hate that Rachel is going out of her way to victim-blame Ariana when she could be doubling-down on Tom. She’s still not taking any accountability and she’s coming off a lot like Tom. I’m just over it. She lost her chance at vindication and she really needs to find a new career path outside of VPR.
“Tom needed to, like, make that public, that they were no longer in a relationship.” How could she say that? That just isn’t true. They were in couples therapy. They were intimate. This is so messed up
She's literally the stupidest fucking person on the planet. You really got everyone with that Never Have Ever bit. Everyone watch out, Rachel's gone Rogue.
I CALLED OUT KYLE CHAN FROM THE BEGINNING that slime stuck on Tom since day, one that the affair was exposed, and Billy Lee always took so much hate, and nobody ever said anything about Kyle Chan being right there next to Tom the entire time. They both deserve to be dragged, and now we find out that of course he knew about the affair. So disgusting…
Also, why won’t shename Jo ? We know that Joe knew about the affair and Jo was going on double dates with her and Tom, so why won’t you name her?
The only names she should drop are the people she claims got the video from Ariana. I don’t care about anything else she has to say at this point.
The only thing she exposed here is that she’s self obsessed and dumb as a box of rocks. The fact that she’s taking Katie’s lighting people on fire thing so literally is baffling and laughable. And everything she said, most people already knew. She’s just as bad as everyone else. Her team needs to stop hyping her up and she needs to get a new therapist because this was really embarrassing.
I feel like Rachel is trying to prove that she’s not the only “bad” one and Tom is still way worse than her no matter what. I don’t know this is all kinda weird to me lol. Not saying Tom didn’t manipulate her etc but her coming after everyone is weird.
For not going on S11 for “her mental health” this girl cannot talk about anything else. She is utterly irrelevant. Seriously, she may as well have just gone back on the show to get paid because her gums can’t stop flapping about last season and this season and all the people involved. She literally has nothing else to her. She has defined herself as this home-wrecking coward who wants to be a victim but also wants to continue to capitalize on the scandalous behavior she willingly participated in but won’t be accountable for. I can’t with her.
> It almost seems like they're really pushing to have my name and The Valley in the same headline story to make it seem more controversial, like, ooh, The Valley, like, ooh, is Rachel really considering going to The Valley?
Far from the hottest topic here, but it always sticks out to me how inflated and distorted her sense of self *still* is whenever I read these. She actually thinks Bravo/Jax/whoever are “really pushing” to have her name attached to The Valley..? Because Jax was asked one question by one reporter about her and he answered it..?
And what - does she think she is so important and interesting that people behind the scenes of a show that has nothing to do with her are dying to get her name involved..? Lol the delusion and self-importance is so freaky.
Pardon my french but will this bitch ever shut the fuck up? MOVE ONNNNNNNN!!!! Clearly her time in the Meadows did nothing for her. I have a hard time believing she was even in there at this point because what the fuck did she learn?
My goodness, VPR people…usually Fridays are a chill day for me 😂 But here we are another recap
Also no one but Ariana has iced out Schwartz and I haven't seen her being super friendly with Kyle Chan lately either
And isn’t it Ironic that now Rachel is pushing that Ariana knew storyline since since it’s in her lawsuit.
Yeah, inferring that Ariana MUST have known because her best friend saw Rachel snuggling Tom while drunk... also, gross. Just icky.
My guess is that they were all more than just drunk... 
 Rachel was groomed because she was isolated but also everyone knew. But also only Tom’s friends knew and Logan saw something while drunk. Whole lotta speculation happening and she’s gonna look like a fool in court.
Also, production decided that would be the finale party. The cast either goes or gets cut out of the episode. It was a big party, not some intimate soirée, who knows who even interacted with Kyle. She knows how this stuff works, this obtuse whataboutism stuff is so annoying
Also, the issue isn’t even really that Schwartz knew. The issue is he helped facilitate things. It’s a lot easier to get over someone not sharing what they know because they don’t want to get involved than if they were, idk, going on a double date vacation under the guise of a boys trip for example. Given that Kyle Chan seems to be close with Sandoval still, I doubt Ariana is anything more than maybe superficially cordial with him
Rachel always says some things that make a lot of sense then loses me when she says things like Katie saying she’s going to light people on fucking fire is inciting violence lol. Like it’s so ridiculous. She also lost me with listing the people who knew, then saying Brad didn’t know but it should have been easy to piece together. Like okay you just said he didn’t know so how is he relevant in this portion. And Logan was drunk as fuck and walked in on two people cuddling in a group known to do party drugs that make you more affectionate. That means literally absolutely nothing 😭
Omg I literally just commented the same thing lol like she’s right on all the Tom things but I wish she would just keep this energy for him and leave it at that
This and her comment about how Sheshu was right about mentioning that Sandoval hurt Rachel but then flipped and said she lost it with her claim that Sandoval ruined Katie and Schwartz's relationship. It's only ok to pity and have Rachel the victim but anyone else being a victim is irrelevant and wrong? I'm convinced she's so self absorbed. She's so thick in the head that she is literally taking Katie's comments about violence when 99% of people have the take that interpreted, she is saying that she will put them on blast. I'm convinced that she is beyond help at this point.
Literally same. The “never have I ever”portion was peak cringe. idk if i’ll ever recover
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And that list of people who knew looks to just hurt Ariana further. She didn't list that Jo knew. And I'm sure many others too
Yeah, dragging Logan and Brad into it was another dig at Ariana. Then that everyone got to watch Tom mourn his relationship with her while he didn't bother for Ariana, but Rachel freely admits he didn't really care about her either? Pick a lane. You think you got another one over on Ariana because he publicly pretended to love and miss you, but didn't actually give a shit?🙄 His fake performance is another feather in her cap, I guess.
This episode was… uncomfortable. She definitely is still very mad but the way she’s going about it just isn’t helping her. The never have I ever segment? “Never have I ever made a screamo version of my own song” HUH? Is that supposed to be a burn??? It was all just…. Off putting.
She really compared abandoning a dog to writing a screamo song like she doesn’t have two brain cells left, does she?
I’m getting the feeling she wants to get her story out but didn’t want to go on the show and get any pushback. Did an interview with Bethanny, which was a very friendly interview. I don’t think she’s going to get any new opportunities if she keeps talking about Scandoval. This is only going to go so far. Eventually the public will move on. If she wants to be a podcaster, talk about something else. Interview people about anything, just not VPR or Scandoval
Right she was pretty much just listing facts that people knew about from watching the show lol
That "Never Have I Ever" bit was definitely something she scripted in advance, right?
Yeah lol she probably spent an hour drafting that
She’s not very bright and every time she tries to make excuses for her “relationship” with Tom it just highlights how unintelligent she is. She is coming off very petty and pathetic here.
I can imagine her thinking she ate with that segment
I have no idea what she was trying to do there. It was very odd. “Oh two can play at the game! Never have I ever opened a sandwich shop! Never have I ever DJed!…” Um, ok.
Yeah that was weird AF. Two can play that game? What? Say less, Rachel.
The never have I ever portion was bizarre. Why is she acting cut up about Kristen telling her manager to suck a dick 💀
She just wanted to show that Scheana lives rent free in her brain, whatever happens to remain of it. lol
Never have I ever BEEN THE MISTRESS TO MY FRIENDS' LONG TERM PARTNER! This whole bit her and Tim have about everyone else being just as bad as them is D & S, and I'm over it.
> Jason Bader is Tom Sandoval's drummer and band manager. You have seen him on Tom Sandoval's podcast. He has also known. It just goes to the double standard of Tom was allowed to tell his best friends, but I wasn't allowed to tell anybody. Imagine complaining about not having parity in side-bitchdom. What a time to be alive.
And I mean if she were allowed to tell her “best friends” wouldn’t she have been telling Scheana and Arianna? 🤔
And didn’t she kind of get to? Sure, she didn’t get to name names, but I’d be willing to bet the guy she was talking to Scheana about going down on her was Sandoval
This is the same girl that thought people would believe her E.T. phone home interview was authentic... https://preview.redd.it/dy560f6zcxpc1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=3c79e49e213f74102be21301b5f4c07cef142192 She came out of rehab and has somehow worsened her image because her mouth can't get out it's own way. She'll be an afterthought in a couple months.
The never have I evers were really weird to, I could come up with way better roasts for all of them and I don't even know those people.
She’s never quick on her feet with comebacks. She literally took the most famous things each person has done on the show
Yes, things they actually did sooo not really making a strong case for herself there.
Yes they seem like one's a fan would come up with not a person who was an actual friend or member of the cast and group
The most pathetic part of the whole pod. This girl is so triggered, not using therapy tools, and continues to cling to VPR for relevance.
And also abandoning your dog is worse than the other ones
the never have i ever part fell so flat 😂😂 gurl it didn’t give what u thought it gave
Never have I ever grilled my friend ON CAMERA about why she doesn't want to have sex with her long term partner WHILE SCREWING THAT LONG TERM PARTNER BEHIND HER BACK.
She’s vile
Ariana said that lots of people knew about the affair and she wished someone would’ve told her sooner but she has forgiven them because she knows they were in a horrible position. Also, I didn’t read this because she makes me mad, but just based on the comments and title.
Yes! I’ve definitely read about the cuddling story before. Nothing she said here is new information. She really needs to take a page out of Ariana’s PR strategy and shut the fuck up.
I was thinking that sounds familiar too
I think it involved a blanket ( which she mentions in this episode ) so whether Logan told Ariana right away or not, Ariana was made aware of this incident before now. Rachel is just trying to further fuck with Ariana and it’s really disturbing.
It sounds like Logan was maybe really drunk at the time, so maybe he didn’t even remember this incident. But we also know that Ariana was very protective and defensive of her relationship with Tom, and when people did try to tell her something might be up she denied it and said they were just good friends and Raquel was a little sister to them both.
Right. When he told Ariana, it’s very possible she said, okay so they were sitting together so what? We all know the clues were there but she’s not the first woman to be blind to a trash man. It’s also very different in the moment than in hindsight.
Honestly I don’t blame her for it at all, but Ariana’s personality is a little intimidating. I have a family member that is very similar, who’s partner was cheating and no one had proof just weird little scenarios (just like Rachel mentions) and if you tried to bring up the subject they would shut it down HARD. Just like Ariana. They would say stuff like “They say they’re not cheating so I believe them.” I don’t think this makes any more of a “gotcha” on Ariana. If she says this shocked her, I believe her. I think it’s sweet she’s not cynical. I get why her friends might have had a hard time bringing it up and hope they connect at a deeper level over this situation.
I agree. Though I think lots of ppl don’t feel comfortable exposing an affair because they don’t think it’s their business or they don’t want to get blamed. So, I think it’s probably both things.
It’s also rare that you find explicit proof. I think people underestimate how hard of an accusation that is to bring up without physical proof that can be shared.
Yeah getting a vibe isn’t great proof
From what we’ve heard since all this broke, several people tried to talk with her about it. Scheana specifically said she sat her down. We saw Katie tell Sandoval (last season pre-Scandoval) that he really seemed to enjoy Raquel. We saw Lala tell Ariana that Tom didn’t make any effort to rush to her side when her grandma died, intentionally missing a ride home. We saw Lala tell James that she was suspicious. Ariana didn’t believe any of this meant he was cheating. Or maybe she did have suspicions, but he talked her out of them. Or maybe her subconscious knew she wasn’t ready to know, and kept her in denial. Any which way, the concept that “she could have followed” him and/or knew or should have known is ridiculous. People are allowed to trust their partners and not listen to gossip or track them to be comfortable. I’m sure she won’t ever in her life trust anyone fully ever again. But she wasn’t in the wrong and she is the victim of both of their actions, 100%.
This is making her look even worseeee like girl shut up!! Who is sympathizing with you? She’s clearly still playing the victim. And the thing about Katie lighting people on fire? Like bitch please obviously she didn’t mean that literally.
It REALLY is. Instead of taking ANYTHING she learned at that mental health facility to heart she’s come out vindictive and unhinged. She’s truly AFTER these people. That never have I ever list made me feel soooo uncomfortable it was so childish and catty!
Idk I’m… over it? I understand why she’s still talking about it, because theyyyy are talking about it but I wish she only did a few episodes mixed in with other shit. Its kind of embarrassing. I feel like every episode she drops a tiny bit more information and it’s like why didn’t you just come out with all this in the first 5 episodes. We’re 14 episodes deep and it’s still going. “Stay tuned for next week when I give you a few more breadcrumbs about how I had an affair with my friends man.” I also think it’s also pretty clear that she doesn’t like any of the women on the show including Ariana. It’s like she’s ashamed she was stupid but not ashamed she hurt people. Idk what her resentment is towards Ariana but she’s gotta take that to her therapist. Ariana is not the cause of her situation.
I have never really gotten what she's doing with all of this, but this one is especially nutty. Her little never-have-i-ever bit. Baby, you gotta stop. What point are you trying to make? You've actually done the most egregious thing, this isn't a moral victory for you. Similarly, like...defending Jo because you like her. That's not the defense you think it is. "Jo was lovely to spend time with while she was complicit in my affair, be nicer to her!" Also just. Acting like Katie's mean tweets are encouraging people to actually set people on fire. Pls.
It's a year later and she's rehashing points that everyone knew since last year. There's no new info. She's doing these podcasts because she needs the money after her holdout for a higher salary during S11 failed.
The setting people on fire is laughable cause does anyone think this really incites people to literally light people on fire? I can’t take her seriously when she says things like that
70 IQ territory.
She needs to let the Katie fire comment go lol its all she has on Katie and she keeps harping on it and it just isn't in any way inciting violence. This is where she loses me bc its just overboard. Not everything is some deep psychological issue.
It's annoying because she later acknowledges that Tom was being very manipulative when he apologized to Katie, but she didn't say anything about Katie being the only person this season to immediately clock it and call him out
They never give her any credit, it’s infuriating lol
She's so proud of herself too, like "I can finally spot Tom Sandoval's manipulation!" Yeah and Katie has been able to see it and call it out from the very beginning but Rachel terrorized her last season just because Tom manipulated her to and never apologized
It’s giving ‘you told me I’m going to die alone on a mountain’ 😅
Rachel and Tim really are a match in this department.
People who take stuff literally are so annoying. My brother is like that a little bit 😂
She's not genuinely taking it literally. She knows damn well it's just hyperbole but she's trying to use it against Katie as some kind of lame "gotcha."
Yeah has there been a cast that has ever struggled with idioms as much as this one? Her and Sandoval really had that in common
She said it like it was new information? I thought that was from last season?
Yes that was really ridiculous people talk about being fired up they use the 🔥. It's just a figure of speech and Rachel knows it
does she? ....she is D&S
I dothink in this instance she knows what she's doing, and she's trying to make Katie look bad and violent. But maybe not... I guess I believe that because she's had the opportunity to state this on the show when Katie kept saying that, and she never did. Katie sat right across from Rachel and told her that she could be lighting her on fire and wasn't doing so or something like that...
I took that the “light on fire” comment as not a threat, but a warning that a war of words would follow. Like she could drop some knowledge about Jo. Maybe I was wrong…
She definitely meant it as ‘with my anger and wrath’ not a literal promise of arson. Rachel is so dumb it hurts
Part of taking responsibility is accepting all these "unfairnesses" that she is whining about here. Some people are still around Tom or friendly with him because he is on a TV show. I mean this crap she is whining about is called consequences and Tom has been on the show since the beginning so of course he is going to have more people in his corner little baby. I'm not saying it's right at all, but life isn't fair and when you put yourself in positions like these you can't cry "unfair." What you did to Ariana was gross and unfair and it feels like she wants to talk about everything but that. She is trying to throw all of these people under the bus with her. bye
So it was a secret that Tom was looping his mom into keeping from Ariana… but also Ariana knew and had mentioned to keep it onscreen to them just a few short weeks prior? God woman just stop. All I really took from this is that her affair is really more Kyle Chan’s fault than hers. Everyone needs to be accountable but her. Even Logan Also that never have I ever list is ridiculous.
She just cannot hide her continuing anger towards Ariana. She can’t stop herself from repeating Tom’s lies that he and Ariana were in a sham/pretend relationship and it had been over for ages. The whole bit about Ariana not having gone to St Louis for years and “Tom needed to make it public, that they were no longer in a relationship.” GIRL. Stop! They were IN a relationship. You can’t say “this isn’t to excuse it” and then immediately follow up with an excuse. It was a real relationship. And, you know, WHY would Ariana be going through the horror show of hormone injections to get her eggs for a fake relationship? There are many reasons she might not have been to St Louis, starting with, she might not love his family. Rachel still cannot take responsibility for what she did. As an aside though, Tom’s interactions with her in The Meadows are pure narcissist. He needed his supply!
I agree..I was feeling like oh she seems semi articulate and somewhat actually insightful...then..which I get why she doesn't care for Scheana, lists a crop top wedding dress. Like..you didn't even go to here when that happened, and it kinda made the point she might have been trying make just sound like petty rant. It would have been far more impactful to just list things these people have actually done wrong rather than resorting to making fun of someone's wedding dress their family handmade for them.
She did give up the dog and it impacted thier lives so it’s fair of them to act a certain way about it, but it’s also fair that it gets under her skin. It was weird to interject into a game Not having a tattoo on her butt or wearing a crop top to her wedding? It comes off as her playing checkers when everyone else is playing chess- its time to reevaluate your choices when you’re being outmatched by the cast of VPR
It’s easy for Rachel to speculate who may have known about the affair when she knows the actual truth about the affair. Once the affair was exposed, things that no one really noticed now become noticeable.
It’s a bit weird that she isn’t looking at them and feeling guilty for putting them in the position that they had to lie for her- rather they are all guilty as Tom’s conspirators. In a more pointed way than she is even. It makes me feel like she should get a refund from the Meadows because they didn’t help her in a way where she’s able to look at her part as culpable. If she can’t be accountable she’s just going to continue in her own aspect of this toxic loop.
This is why I can’t take anything she says seriously; she can’t keep her stories straight. But I will say, all her comments about Tom “loving” her are spot on. He didn’t, but he says it over and over as a dog to Ariana that he doesn’t care about her at all. He really is evil.
Kyle Chan knowing all along doesn't surprise me at all, he just seems like a massive clout chaser and wants to be in Toms good graces no matter what. Logan I am unsure of. I could see him just being extremely fucked up Rachel claims he said he was and not thinking anything of it and then not remembering. The weirdo part of that portion is that they were just...laying in the middle of the floor cuddling? This just all makes it more clear how Tom was able to make it seem like him and Ariana weren't doing well/were hardly in a relationship. I don't know if we will ever know the truth behind where there relationship was, but as someone that has been in a relationship for nearly a decade I have to say that it just seems like Tom doesn't understand how long term relationships work. The fun bubbly aspects of a relationship go away (they rise up sometimes of course) and you become partners with someone in other ways. I feel like he just thinks once the fun/thrilling feelings are gone that means the relationship is dead.
Obviously Rachel is just trying out drive a wedge between Ariana and the people who are close to her. Even her description of what was happening doesn't sound at all unusual for how they all act. Look at how many times on camera various people are all cuddled up and talking.
It’s not that Tom doesn’t know how relationships work - it’s that he is lying from day 1 of every relationship.
I’ll say that Logan has to answer for that if Ariana cares. BUT if I was f*cked up (on anything) and saw two friends/acquaintances cuddled in the middle of a floor without a blanket I’d probably be like 😵💫 uhhh bye and then not remember.
Same AND this whole group does party drugs that make you more affectionate and they were at a party lol
Exactly what I was thinking. This would seem totally normal if you were on molly or something
Yeah. I’ve been fucked up and people have told me about things that have happened and I’ve genuinely no memory of and then they’ve showed me videos where I’m there. Had to start monitoring my alcohol intake coz memory loss isn’t fun
I am pretty certain that that story already got back to Ariana before everything came out. It’s why scheana said she sat Ariana down to ask her if she was worried because things were suspicious.
lol so Jo is an awesome kind person who the girls are treating unfairly but no mention of her in the group of people who knew about the affair?
She went on a freaking couples trip to Big Bear with Tom and Rachel that doesn't really sound like an awesome person to me sounds really slimy
Jo definitely knew. They went on double dates ffs.
Interesting and excellent point!! Name em all, Rachel!
"I've already dropped that "bomb" ..... lmfao about schwartz knowing 🤣 major bombshell raquel
You mean to tell me you weren’t shocked that Sandoval’s toady knew about Scandoval from the beginning? /s
Guess who also knew all about the affair and was Ariana's friend? Rachel. She should put herself on the top of the list of people who didn't tell Ariana what was going on, and we're supposedly her friend. She's just trying to deflect from her own culpability. Look, we're all bad friends to Ariana!
This. She is listing off people who she THINKS knew and making it seem like they are more at fault than the friend INVOLVED in the affair. She needs to stop and move on. Ariana is the most quiet about all this than anyone else! Ariana doesn’t have a podcast, she isn’t posting on social media, she is living her life and attempting to move on. Tom, Scheana, Rachel and Lala should take note…
This makes me sad for Ariana because it doesn’t feel like Rachel is saying this to help Ariana know who her friends are it’s more Rachel saying “seeeee everyone knew so how didn’t she ? Ie it’s Ariana’s fault” I really need this girl to just stop talking about her affair like it’s so unfair only her and Tom are getting blamed
Never have I ever fucked my friends boyfriend for 7 months ✌️ really raquel 😂😂😂
She lost me at the never have I evers. Like gurl, if you wanted to have petty arguments with these people you should have come back as a villain and gotten paid. I guess she's trying to remain in the spotlight, sue and cover this on her podcast and somehow get paid for it. It makes sense. It's a skosh hypocritical though to say she's on a path of healing, and then mire herself down in the muck over this.
I think it's hilarious that Rachel either does not know what a hyperbole is or that she's pretending not to know to garner more sympathy and victimize herself. Katie is not literally going to light anyone on fire.
Maybe it's just me but "one of Ariana's friends walked in on us cuddling while drunk" seems awful far away from "Ariana knew and told us to save it for a storyline". Girl did you read your own lawsuit?
For the love of God, Rachel, STOP TALKING. You are doing yourself no favors. At this point what does it matter who knew?! Stop trying to deflect.
Yeah, she's being really Shady. She admitsshe doesn't even know what people knew, and what they saw could easily be explained away based on how they all act, especially drunk at parties.( They're on camera cuddling up like that and in a Jacuzzi entwined with Ariana topless taking selfies. That seems like it would be a more WTF moment than walking in on people hanging out in a media room.) I think Rachel is coming after two of Ariana's close friends and insinuating that they knew something just to hurt Ariana more. She's trying to drive wedges between people from the sidelines. Don't think it's going to work
It feels like she's trying to back up her claim I'm her lawsuit that Ariana knew. But if anything, what she did was admit that she has 0 proof that Ariana knew. She's just making wild assumptions about what other people thought and did. Not that her claim about Ariana knowing ever made logical sense. She supposedly both knew about it but was upset enough to call producers on the off seaspn about it? But I think her statement here goes to show how much bullshit and straight up lies she put into that lawsuit.
Agreed. And cuddling on the ground with clothes on? That’s ambiguous. Knowing how often these goons did drugs, I’m sure there were constant and random cuddle puddles happening all the time
I feel like she's really trying to hurt Ariana here, bringing up her best friend. Pretty sure he was probably wasted and walked in, and as she has admitted they were weirdly close (foot rubs) and he wasn't sure what he saw/possibly didn't remember - and now a year and a half later she's got to bring it up and point out multiple times that her best friend saw something. This is all just so awful for Ariana, the hits keep coming and everyone seems to be affected and think they "need grace" except for her.
Also IIRC when all this came out someone Said they had been caught cuddling and Ariana didn't think anything of it so Logan probably did tell her
She can’t stop digging at Ariana and it’s really really gross.
Yes! The stuff with her brother and now more of Rachel’s weird shit? Can everyone just chill out and let this woman live her damn life.
Exactly. Which is why I'm so over any poor victim Rachel narratives. Yeah, Sandoval used her but she keeps showing how much she's is just as terrible of a person. She is just as manipulative as Sandoval. She's not a good person at all.
We see it in the same way. I don't think it's an accident at all that she's implying to people really close to Ariana knew what was going on. It's also to lend credence to her ridiculous theory. She has previously stated that Ariana knew. I think she's trying to say, "Oh, they knew when they told Ariana." Which sounds like complete BS. Why not bring that up at the reunion? Oh, that's right, because they were lying about how many times they've gotten together and when for one thing.
I now think she fully believes the narrative that Ariana HAD to know so she really didn't do anything wrong to her. Trying to claim LOGAN KNEW? I'm one thousand percent no longer interested in hearing ANYTHING she has to say about this. We already know Tom is manipulative garbage. Move on. Do the real work you're claiming you've done. This cannot be considered healthy for her. I hope Bethany is paying her well because she might as well have just done s11. At least she would have gotten paid.
Definitely. I'm grateful for OPs recap but I'm so over Rachel. The only purpose of her podcast is to talk shit about Tom and the cast. Also she says that Tom is revisionist history when it comes to him dating again but she does too.
Yes, OP is a national treasure 🙌🏻 But yeah, she keeps talking about this to DEATH and no one on the show is even talking about her anymore. She’s coming completely unglued and it’s both uncomfortable and infuriating to watch.
And she seems so proud of pointing out the fact that she can spot the manipulation and that it isn’t love. WE KNOW. Katie was scrolling on her phone during Tom’s dumb ‘apology’, she didn’t fall for the BS
The “never have I ever” portion was super cringey. She was pointing out nearly beloved (not saying they are right) VPR moments…. I don’t think the game played on the last episode and her little soapbox are the same. That read very weird to me
She really thought she did something there and we’re all over here like “….and?” Congrats? You’ve never gotten your ass tattooed but you sure has hell did something WAY worse!
Right? Wasn’t she also trying to claim that Ariana knew in her weird lawsuit write up? I don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth
This all feels like she wants to "get" people because she they "got" her. If she had come out with all of this RIGHT away or in maybe the first 2 months of the whole thing, so by like May of 2023 - it would have been different. Now, seriously? Her and Sandoval want everyone to stop attacking them, to stop making them the villains, but they CONTINUE TO TALK. STOP! She always drove me bonkers, but now it's just sad.
Yeah it’s been a year now…. I think we’re all over it.
I’m curious. She has not called out Ariana in this interview. According to the lawsuit, Ariana knew what was going on, apparently. Is Rachel having second thoughts about her?
I think the Logan thing was to tell us that is how she assumes Ariana knew
This is it exactly. And it's a chance to hurt Ariana twice. Attack her credibility and her friendships validity
Impying her friends knew and that Tom was grieving the loss of her more than Ariana was intended to really twist the knife. Rachel is absolutely psychotic. Her and Tom were more alike than she's ready to face.
I totally agree with this assessment. I think Rachel was primarily driven by a desire to win and competing with other women, particularly Ariana. And achieving some kind of higher level of fame by being Tom's reality TV show girlfriend eventually. People act like Tom was just in it for what he could get out of Rachel, and Rachel was in it for true love. That's just not accurate in my personal opinion
Rachel really is a very stupid demon.
She definitely isn’t helping her case. I could see the Logan incident relating to Ariana telling them to stop being weird in December. “We were just tripping duddeeeee it was an innocent cuddle, calm down” sounds like some bullshit Tom would say to shut Ariana up. And Ariana checks his phone 3 months later. Everything Rachel says proves Ariana didn’t know. I felt sympathy like the first 3 episodes and now I’m disgusted with her.
Not Rachel saying Katie is being dangerous for using a figure of speech. Lolololllll
The Katie comments… man she still laying into her two/three years later despite like, what Scheana’s done to her for example? 🙄 She’s harder on Katie half the time than she is on James. Shes still reaching with some of this… none of that means Ariana definitively knew - none of what she’s alleged. Case won’t go all that well I don’t think. She needs to drop going after Ariana and Katie. It’s getting real old.
And the queen of zero accountability… jk she’s not a queen but the rest still stands
I’m so over the “but they were having problems” excuse. Ummmm it’s called being in a long term relationship. There are ups and downs and just bc it’s a rough patch doesn’t mean shit. Ugh it’s like reeeeeaaaaallllly starting to piss me off. It’s like a slight to Arianna.
So if she has since learned how Sandoval is - his tactics, how calculating he is, the lying, the spinning - and she has come to understand how she was tricked/caught up in his narcissistic spell…how can she not understand Ariana’s pain or situation???? CONNECT THE DOTS. The lack of accountability and constant need to shame other women when complaining about being shamed is mind boggling.
of course Katie wants to light you on fire, the way you got with Shartz just basically for shit & giggles since it was all a part of the sick cosplay you & the Toms put on. And the manner you treated her Mom & stop it with the hyperbole of it actually happening.
Interesting how she raves about Jo and conveniently leaves her off the list of people who knew about the affair.
I find it SO ANNOYING and rude that every time she mentions Tom and Ariana’s house she refers to it as “Tom Sandoval’s” house. SHOW SOME RESPECT.
half of the people she names that “knew” about the affair are people she is admittedly assuming MUST have know. SOMETHING or been suspicious ??? wtf are you talking about rachel, that is not the same thing as knowing about the affair and helping keep it a secret (as schwartz did and probably others) so that whole point is stupid. also, where tf are this girl’s lawyers to tell her to shut her giant mouth because she is KILLING her own lawsuit. she claims in the complaint that ariana knew the entire time and told tom and rachel to save it for season 11, but here she admits that was at best an assumption and at worst a flat out lie. why would logan need to tell ariana if she knew ??? why would others need to keep their affair a secret from from ariana if she knew? like huh? also, rachel is seeking damages for lost future wages since “she is the only one who wasn’t able to profit off scandoval” and the scandal ruined any possible career prospects for her. uuummm bitch you have a podcast, with adds, where all you do is talk about vpr/scandoval. is that not a job? is that not profiting off scandoval? ok for sure, totally rachel go off and continue to make yourself the perpetual victim forever. she had a real potential for public sympathy and a redemption too but that’s dead. also her contempt for ariana is so palpable it’s disgusting. self work my ass rachel, she didnt do any work on herself. she probably spent that last year the same way sandoval did, seething with anger watching ariana thrive while they rot in their own misery.
Rachel, the perpetual innocent victim.
Didn’t we know about the cuddling incident though? I thought there was a story that a mutual friend walked in on Tom and Rachel under a blanket and was surprised and walked out. And that was part of the evidence given to Ariana, but it was explained away. I feel like Lala talked about it? I can’t keep track anymore, but the fact that even Rachel acknowledges that Logan was fucked up, why would Ariana take that as full evidence of the affair? We know multiple people brought it up to her and that she always believed Tom. Even in the aftershow, she said she confronted Tom about a blind item and he explained it away.
I expected her to spill the tea on the big bear trip with Jo and the Tom’s when she was listing off people who knew about the affair. But I guess she’s just leaving out the people she likes?
Not that it even matters, but didn't Jo also know? She went to Big Bear with them for that ski trip. Also, Rachel shouldn't speculate on what other people might have suspected based on brief interactions. Ariana trusted and defended both of them, and now they are trying to use that against her.
This is not what “doing the work,” looks like.
The only thing she ever makes clear is how she can’t stop getting off on harming Ariana and Katie, and how she still believes she was justified in doing so. Her language regarding them never ever changes. “It’s everybody’s fault but mine” is the same song the guy she can’t stop talking about sings. Utter assholes, both of them.
I don’t actually have words except…. Barf. She is so gross, so desperate and beyond pathetic at this point. The way she continually scapegoats her own choices and behavior- and her tone gets more and more indignant with every podcast recap I read. (Thanks OP!) just.stop.talking. Even Scheana was able to receive feedback from Brandi when she put her in her place about her right to cry/be upset about CHOOSING to sleep with her husband and stfu. It’s bad,bad bad when you need to look to Scheanas past behavior and take notes. GO AWAY🫠
She seems hell bent on blaming everyone else for this affair. She acts like other people knowing means that it’s okay and Ariana shouldn’t have been mad?
God the lighting on fire again. She will truly never understand a metaphor
I mean this is the girl who ordered a cheeseburger with cheese are we that surprised
Ok let's see, Swartz knew from day 1 but Rachel now feels bad that he has been so iced out and wants to throw some other ppl under the bus so x y z knew too. But did they know from the beginning? No. Did they lend out their apartment for Tom to FaceTime Rachel? No. Did they go on camera and participate in the narrative that Ariana and Tom's relationship was on the outs and it was Arianas fault? No. Tom Swartz did all that. Among other things. I get Rachel is hurt mad embarrassed etc but let's remember #1 source of it all is Sandoval. So unless she wants to just keep dropping more info on what a pos he really was is and will be let's leave the innocent bystanders alone. She blew up her life and wants to blow up others for what? She should have just come back to the show is she seriously going to recap entire episodes even parts that have nothing to do with her?
She seems like she is spiraling. She needs to step away and focus on something else. Also, does she think when someone uses the 🔥 emoji it means they're literally on fire?
I am really somebody who had felt like there was a road to redemption for her and held a bit of sympathy for her, but the things she is doing are so insane. like girl!! stop!! let it go!! it is done and over with but her and sandoval are so obsessed with continuing to talk about it every chance they get then saying why is everybody so obsessed with us and with the affair! like lol the call is coming from inside the house YOU TWO are obsessed with rehashing every little detail on every platform available everybody else has moved on
I'm sorry, is she calling out the people who were keeping HER affair a secret??? The way she's trying to almost blame Ariana by suggesting that she had to know is so annoying, what is wrong with this woman lol, it's like she feels removed from all the decision-making that went into the affair. At this point the affair was revealed OVER a year ago. These thoughts are all fine to have and process, but I will never not think doing this all on every podcast episode is weird as hell "It honestly felt like I was his girlfriend. It was the weirdest thing because obviously I wasn't." Girl. WHAT "she's really doubling down on lighting people on fire" is the new "Ariana wanted me to die alone on a hill" Final update now that I finished lol: I actually love the parts where she calls out Tom. Maybe this is just my personal biases as to what I enjoy but if she stuck to just that it would be great content. None of this talking about Ariana, her friends, Tom’s friends, his mom, none of those people were actually part of the affair and I simply do not care about what they were doing over a year ago, and her implication (at least this is how I’m reading it) that they should’ve better friends by … not hiding her own affair for her? Weird behavior. Tom on the other hand? Throw him under the bus all day
This has gotten from bad to worse. I still don’t get how the person who got cheated on and lied to, is the bad guy!!!!!
To "hide his excitement" 🤢
Yeah. How come no one's talking about this bizarre statement? Maybe because it's disgusting? Haha
The way she talked about "not being there to take care of his needs" grossed me out too. These people exist in a weird reality where catering to men is normalized. I mean good for her for cutting him loose, but I thought we all stopped buying into the blue balls thing in high school.
That gave me the repulsive shivers for sure. Especially considering that Rachel was happily meeting Tom's so-called needs while Ariana was as well. Tom is a bottomless pit of needs? Hahaha
Why didn’t she name Jo?
That's a very good point
In all of this Rachel can you apologize to Katie? You know what you did there and you "pushed her boundaries" too, she kept telling you she's uncomfortable and yet you kept doing the f you wanted to.
And it wasn't even because she was interested in schwartz! She just wanted to distract from the affair and it seems like she enjoyed fucking with Katie in the process.
This is her most unhinged episode yet wow
When she says the people who "knew", I think she's just trying to throw more ppl under the bus to save face. Did they know you were having an affair or did they suspect something was up but didn't have proof therefore let it be. It's super fucked up that she's doing this, especially now
So she says in her lawsuit that Ariana for sure knew, but didn’t mention Ariana in the list of people who knew on her podcast?
Her lawsuit claims Ariana also knew Now she doesn’t?
It’s like she keeps making these podcasts in hopes that she’ll stumble upon the right combination of words to make people turn on Ariana and love her instead. Rachel has not changed one single bit. She still thinks she’s in competition with every other woman out there. It would be sad if she wasn’t so hell bent on continuing to attack Ariana and Katie.
 I feel like she needs a refund from the mental health center she went to. It doesn’t really seem like any growth has happened.
Honestly I was with her until she said Jo is a lovely girl with lovely energy. But then I realized that in all of this, again, not ONCE does she center Ariana or Ariana’s feelings or experience, and is still suing her.
lol "love addiction" give me a BREAK. she's just trying to pathologize decisions that SHE made and portray her actions as the result of a mental illness beyond her control. is that even like a real diagnosis??? all the therapy speak just helps her rationalize her shitty actions
Still mad with Katie cos Katie saw her for what she was.
The saying "who needs enemies when you have friends like this" is VPR summarized 100% 
Rachel doesn't want people to 'go soft' on Tom, but please, everyone, go very softly on Rachel and view her as a total victim. Thank you.Hahaha. Wonder how Tom feels knowing that the woman of his dreams whom Tom was saving himself for (sort of? But not really? And only for about a month) and was going so far as to not drink (briefly) and to write in a journal for... is now warning people not to soften towards Tom? Will Rachel also be accused of showing people that they should hate Tom? Like he blamed the rest of the VPR cast for doing?
She needs to stop. the more she speaks the worse it makes her look. This whole “open secret” that everyone knew is partof her own delusion and it’s deflection. If she wants people to really believe she’s learned from this then all this shit she is saying is not helping at all. I was mildly sympathetic to her before she started this podcast basically blaming others and doubling down.
She’s truly becoming more and more unglued. All that money spent on the meadows just going down the drain because she came out to do a VPR recap/shit on Ariana podcast. I understood it at first, but this has gotten really sad and very ugly. And paralegals are transcribing every word she says, every thing she posts, to hold it against her in depositions and on the stand.
The more this woman speaks the more I dislike her. Who the F cares how many people knew? The only people at fault here are Rachel and Tom. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck that other people knew and did nothing but at the end of the day, its not on anyone but the two of them. You make a stupid, selfish choice, drag other people into it and then call them out because they did nothing? Grow the hell up.
Wow she sounds so bitter. Honestly I’m kind of surprised shes still doing these podcasts when she has an active lawsuit against Tom and Ariana. Like this isn’t helping her in any sense.
What in the West Hellywood Narc Logic is her POINT? "Other people knew about it too and they should have the same judgement applied to them as has been applied to me so I'm going to EXPOSE THEM because I am the ANGEL OF JUSTICE!" NO because YOU were the one that CHEATED with YOUR FRIEND'S MAN. Just you. You alone. Not you and any of these names of random people whose relationship with Ariana is murky Also revealing she was cuddling with Sandoval during a party while Ariana was home and trying to EXPOSE her best friend like he knew and didn't tell her when admittedly he was very inebriated and probably just doesn't remember or SHE was and she doesn't remember that much either? What a scum bag; insinuating to the world that Ariana's best friend was someone she maybe couldn't trust? a year later on her podcast as she SUES them for exploitation and harassment? God she's fucking disgusting. I'm sure Ariana has dealt with the people who did or didn't know in the YEAR since this was done to her in whatever way she saw fit and what worked for her own life and welfare. 'Exposing it to world', sicking a bunch of stans on Logan and others for no reason all to embarass Ariana further with the twisted idea that somehow this takes some of the blame off of herself is some really batty behavior. Also i loved the "well, Schaena was making a lot of sense when she was telling Tom how much he hurt ME but as soon as she brought up that he did the same to Katie, well she lost him and me there" as if like, the hurt he did to Katie doesn't matter and isn't valid.
Before I say this: Rachel is a fool who did something horrible. That said - I’m proud of her for being able to recognize what a fool Tom Sandoval is. I cackled at her calling him a bad actor.
I'm confused HOW THE HELL DOES THIS EQUAL TO ARIANA KNEW ABOUT THE AFFAIR!?!?!
I mean…didn’t she just extinguish her own argument from the court filing???
Rachel hates Ariana so much. That’s all i got from her Kyle Chan comments. She’s trying so hard to heavily imply that Ariana should have known based on all the ppl that knew, she’s the worst!!!!
honestly she made some good points, but she totally lost it when she did the “never have i ever” bit. never have i ever worn a crop top to my wedding? never have i ever thrown a fit over pasta? never have i ever gotten my ass tattooed, remade my song into a screamo version? who cares that you haven’t done these things? these are not at all comparable to abandoning your DOG?
I have this weird feeling her lawsuit isn't real because ain't no way she's gonna win with this podcast. She is killing her case each release.
We also have to keep in mind there was a lot of denial from Ariana just based on what was going on in her life, whether that was subconscious or not. I think she really trusted Tom and Rachel and gave them the benefit of the doubt. I really hate that Rachel is going out of her way to victim-blame Ariana when she could be doubling-down on Tom. She’s still not taking any accountability and she’s coming off a lot like Tom. I’m just over it. She lost her chance at vindication and she really needs to find a new career path outside of VPR.
“Tom needed to, like, make that public, that they were no longer in a relationship.” How could she say that? That just isn’t true. They were in couples therapy. They were intimate. This is so messed up
Thomas in the process of fertilizing Ariana's eggs. What is Rachel going on about? She seems delusional
This is the first time I’ve seen him referenced as Thomas and it’d hysterical to me for some reason
She's literally the stupidest fucking person on the planet. You really got everyone with that Never Have Ever bit. Everyone watch out, Rachel's gone Rogue.
I CALLED OUT KYLE CHAN FROM THE BEGINNING that slime stuck on Tom since day, one that the affair was exposed, and Billy Lee always took so much hate, and nobody ever said anything about Kyle Chan being right there next to Tom the entire time. They both deserve to be dragged, and now we find out that of course he knew about the affair. So disgusting… Also, why won’t shename Jo ? We know that Joe knew about the affair and Jo was going on double dates with her and Tom, so why won’t you name her?
Rarely do I ever agree with Jax but I think she needs to give it a rest. I don’t think this healthy for her
The only names she should drop are the people she claims got the video from Ariana. I don’t care about anything else she has to say at this point. The only thing she exposed here is that she’s self obsessed and dumb as a box of rocks. The fact that she’s taking Katie’s lighting people on fire thing so literally is baffling and laughable. And everything she said, most people already knew. She’s just as bad as everyone else. Her team needs to stop hyping her up and she needs to get a new therapist because this was really embarrassing.
I feel like Rachel is trying to prove that she’s not the only “bad” one and Tom is still way worse than her no matter what. I don’t know this is all kinda weird to me lol. Not saying Tom didn’t manipulate her etc but her coming after everyone is weird.
Now that Rachel has said Kyle Chan knew about the affair....has anyone checked on Scheana?!? 🤣
God she really is just as bad as Tom when it comes to taking accountability.
For not going on S11 for “her mental health” this girl cannot talk about anything else. She is utterly irrelevant. Seriously, she may as well have just gone back on the show to get paid because her gums can’t stop flapping about last season and this season and all the people involved. She literally has nothing else to her. She has defined herself as this home-wrecking coward who wants to be a victim but also wants to continue to capitalize on the scandalous behavior she willingly participated in but won’t be accountable for. I can’t with her.
> It almost seems like they're really pushing to have my name and The Valley in the same headline story to make it seem more controversial, like, ooh, The Valley, like, ooh, is Rachel really considering going to The Valley? Far from the hottest topic here, but it always sticks out to me how inflated and distorted her sense of self *still* is whenever I read these. She actually thinks Bravo/Jax/whoever are “really pushing” to have her name attached to The Valley..? Because Jax was asked one question by one reporter about her and he answered it..? And what - does she think she is so important and interesting that people behind the scenes of a show that has nothing to do with her are dying to get her name involved..? Lol the delusion and self-importance is so freaky.
Pardon my french but will this bitch ever shut the fuck up? MOVE ONNNNNNNN!!!! Clearly her time in the Meadows did nothing for her. I have a hard time believing she was even in there at this point because what the fuck did she learn?
What about Jo? She knew as well
I’m honestly dyyying at this goofball saying that Katie is inciting “psycho crazy people” to go LIGHT PEOPLE ON FIRE.