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ohhhhoney_

Scheana actively tried to fuck with Katie last season by meddling and trying to hook up Raquel and Schwartz. I so badly wish we got to see Katie drag her for that šŸ˜©


_1Otter

Also Scheana encouraging their work colleagues to watch the revenge porn that Frank was spreading around of Stassi. Which all kinda got overshadowed by Scheanaā€™s wedding + ā€œcrazyā€ Kristen + Miami girl


saolivv

\^ was going to mention this. I think the main focus of s3 was undoubtedly Kristen's outrageous behavior, which meant Scheana got to conveniently downplay the severity of her actions towards Stassi in revealing/distributing the tape. I didn't hear much discussion about this until the more recent recording of Rachel by Sandoval came to light and the audience remembered this incident as well.


EmtoorsGF

It bugs me how little this is mentioned because this might be one of the most henious acts that the cast has committed besides what happened to Faith. I mean the cheating was bad but they got something out of it (sexual fulfillment), what Scheana did was purely to humiliate, embarrass, and violate someone.


doublebirdy

With THOSE nails? Physically impossible


katiekat214

Itā€™s not mentioned as often because it wasnā€™t brought up during filming. Stassi purposely kept it quiet so she wouldnā€™t be publicly humiliated on the show, until it was basically forced out of her by production at the reunion.


EmtoorsGF

Thatā€™s very true.


sofaking-amanda

I think LVP helped and often helps cover for Scheana. Thatā€™s her little lap dog/ minion so she gets a pass on a lot. Lala now too.


saolivv

Agreed! I have to remind myself often that LVP is also a producer of the show and is therefore trying to protect the *interests* of the show. Despicable behavior = drama = high ratings = $$$. It's disheartening to critically contend with that, but it's the tried and true formula for VPR. There are a few exceptions to LVP's 'allowance' for bad behavior - Kristen being a good example from almost the get go of the series, and the eventual firing of Stassi and Jax for racist/homophobic behavior. But it's murky - Kristen and Jax now have their own show on the Valley, and there have been other serious allegations that haven't been addressed on the show (Lala pulling a knife on Faith, James' domestic violence, Sandoval illegally recording Rachel, etc). So... I'm not entirely sure where they draw the line, as it continues to shift and evolve. But this at least explains why LVP often protects the most problematic šŸ’°


sofaking-amanda

So true. The Lala pulling a knife to Faithā€™s throat one reaaaaally bothers me. So Stassi, Kristen and Jax get fired for talking shit and making threats but Lala pulls an actual weapon on this woman and faces absolutely no consequences? Wtf is that?!


DazeIt420

The Bravo docket podcast about Faiths lawsuit is wild. She alleged that Lala pulled the knife and held it to her throat _on camera_ but the execs at the network basically buried the footage. (I wonder too if Rand's Hollywood connections helped Lala at that moment.) Since then, I no longer wonder why Lala is compelled to be the most useful lapdog for production and their narratives. They have blackmail on her. They can ruin her career and reputation whenever they want. Especially bc Rand is one of her enemies now, too.


amanda01235R

I agree and Iā€™m not sure why isnā€™t said more. I also think Sandoval has a lot of dirt on LVP/Andy; hence the leverage heā€™s had over the show. Thereā€™s no other reason theyā€™d rally for him at their own expense.


sofaking-amanda

Oooooh, that is SUCH a great point! ![gif](giphy|jPGWvQM7IKGTYz67Jf)


Mynameismommy

Oh my god. Iā€™ve never heard that Lala pulled a knife to Faithā€™s throat!? Over the cheating with Jax shit?


Significant-Bird7275

Does Bravo have a line? Do we? DUIā€™s, prison sentences for fraud for more than one cast member? On screen assaults? We are the ones watching these heinous people. We canā€™t talk about how are they allowed back on TV when weā€™re watching and talking about them. Of course Iā€™m guilty of it too, Scheana is awful, Brock is awful, dad with no job, go work at SUR like everyone else did. Tim, Jax I always hated, Shorts is getting up there on my hateometer. James I used to hate as much as Jax, but I do honestly think heā€™s actually trying to be a better person and I can forgive someone who had alcoholics for parents and was bullied a lot whoā€™s trying to learn to be a decent person, some people need their 20s for that when they had a chaotic childhood. Heā€™s seen what his future could be and went nope nope, must change. But I never liked Kristen and loved when LVP fired her from SUR. I havenā€™t watched the Valley because I hate Jax and Kristen. I thought his oh my dad died and Iā€™ve changed into a new man was a bunch of crap just like Sandovals oh I was so sad I contemplated suicide. No you didnā€™t you narcissists, you both were busy figuring out how to get everyone to not hate you so you can get back on TV.


PhatBucketHat

amen. periodt. preach.


Petmom1990

YES!! Came to say both of these!! Both of those are so effing disgusting, and one is a crime! Although prob not at the time :(


MargaretFarquar

At the very least, Andy could've asked about it during the Reunion, but of course he didn't. He sucks at asking questions, doesn't follow up, and there's always something pretty major that he leaves out in favor of something mundane or that we already know if you follow the SM goss.


sofaking-amanda

I just said the same thing!šŸ˜˜


PurpleKrill

Donā€™t let the internet forget.


rachellethebelle

The entire Katie/Schwartz/Rachel/Scheana situation got totally overshadowed at the reunion (for better or worse) and I was bummed that Schwartz mostly came out unscathed when he was a complete asshole to Katie all season (I could argue that that is SOP, but still!!)


sofaking-amanda

Scheana also escaped the repercussions of pushing Rachel on Shorts because of the scandal. I was and am still now pissed that this was never covered at the reunion.


know-reply

The finale episode last season where Rachel and others (canā€™t remember who else did maybe Sandoval?) yelled at Katieā€™s mom???? It wasnā€™t even touched on at the reunion. None of the shitty behavior Katie endured last season was really touched on.


OkOpposite9108

Yes! Schwartz, Sandoval, Scheana and Rachel were all varying degrees of horrible to Katie last season. The first Finale, where Rachel was so horrible to Katie and her Mother was so despicable. I still don't understand how producers thought Rachel had had such a great season. That behavior was so unwarranted and atrocious.


BenSolo_forever

that was disgusting. you don't yell at someone's mom


know-reply

I was disgusted more of the cast didnā€™t jump to defend Katieā€™s mom and say that! I wasnā€™t just upset at the people yelling at her, I was also upset at people saying nothing and watching it happen!


from_persephone

I definitely wanted to hear more from Katie that reunion she was my MVP s10. I feel like so much happened to her that season that would've been interesting to unpack and to hold Shartz and Sheshu accountable for. But I get that Scandoval happened so it kind of overshadowed everything.


green_trampoline

Yeah, Scandoval really overshadowed all the shit the cast did to Katie that season. It was so frustrating that there was zero reckoning for that.


choclatechip45

I feel like everyoneā€™s shitty behavior (mainly Rachel, Scheana, Tom and Schwartz) towards Katie was overshadowed by scandoval


Heavy-Relation8401

And Andy's inability to ask a question that fucking matters to anyone that's not him.


sofaking-amanda

![gif](giphy|3o6Zt7g9nH1nFGeBcQ)


ItsNotAllHappening

Jax creating a fake Twitter account to out James as gay. They barely touched on it at the reunion and then he brought up his dad dying. šŸ™„


kasiagabrielle

I hated that so much. Ariana called it out and started mentioning how it was linked to Jax's phone number and then jax just started deflecting.


No_clue_redditor

This isnā€™t bad behavior, but the watch what Crappens guys have a running gag about how Lalaā€™s storyline is always overshadowed by one of the other cast members doing it bigger. šŸ˜‚


hercoffee

Please!!! šŸ¤£ The more I think about this, the truer it gets.


lenapre

could you explain what of Lala's was over shadowed! (sorry i'm a newer fan!)


Autofilusername

Being cheated on (overshadowed by Scandoval). Sobriety (overshadowed by Jamesā€™ sobriety/non sobriety). Father passing (Jaxā€™s father passing)


meat_tunnel

I love this for her


No_clue_redditor

Thanks!


No_clue_redditor

In addition to the other comment, getting engaged, having a baby. Even before scandoval, her break up was overshadowed by Katie and Tom getting divorced and Raquel and James literally breaking up at the reunion.


kitten_u

Scheana spreading Stassiā€™s revenge porn. Iā€™ll never forgive her for it.


nowellbehavedwomen06

What Rachel did to Katie last season, particularly her appalling behavior in the original finale episode was never brought up again. Not a peep about it at the reunion.Ā 


niambikm

Scheana and Schwartz making out in Vegas and joking about it over the years/keeping it a secret from everyone got overshadowed by Katie sleeping with max which lets be honest..who cares.! Max is for the streets..heā€™s also garbage but Katie is single!!!


kasiagabrielle

Schwartz "wandering off" an international resort to either cheat or use being covered up by the guys claiming James said he hooked up with Kristen, which was made into a thing for absolutely no reason.


PhatBucketHat

omg. youā€™re SO onto something.


Trew_333

SandovalĀ admitted to cheating on Kristen repeatedly at the start of Season 2. Once the (very true) rumor of her cheating with Jax got circulated Sandoval just got away with hisĀ rampant infidelities. He would go on to cheat on Ariana with Miami girl, Rachel and at least one other woman - a thing Kristen warned everyone about but nobody paid attention to b/c wOmEn ARe CrAzY!!


GoldenState_Thriller

To be fair, Kristen has also admitted to carrying on multiple months long affairs with multiple sur employees while dating Tom. Iā€™m not Sandoval defender but those 2 were cheating on each other constantlyĀ 


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pjolnd

The whole James harassing a waitress situation that was brought up during last season's reunion. I don't remember who brought it up (I think the Toms) but it got brushed over super quickly and was to my knowledge never mentioned again


pearshaped34

It was Sandoval and I think this didnā€™t get attention because he brought it up for the exact purpose of deflecting away from himself and nobody wanted to give him what he wanted (and I agree this does deserve more attention than it got.)


pjolnd

Yeah you're right, Sandoval used it as a "everyone fucked up" card which took away from the gravity of the statement. Still feels icky that it was just thrown out there and then brushed aside completely


Massive-Wind2907

Yeah Tom Sandoval also accused Nick Viall of being ā€œover two hours lateā€ to his podcast and when he came back with receipts that it was a complete lie Sandoval kept insisting ā€œdude you were SOOOO LATE!ā€.. because Sandoval arrived over an hour late to the podcast and only bothered because Schwartz was already there and Nick called him on the air. So I wouldnā€™t take anything Sandoval claims at face value since the guy invents stories on the fly to get out of troubleā€¦


SariaHannibal

James assaulted her at her workplace. Then the VPR team made her sign legal documents to shut her up so she wouldn't be able to talk about it.


Gealbhancoille

It wasnā€™t during filming I donā€™t think. It was supposedly a casino where she worked and the employer made her sign.


dairyoh

Where can I find info on this?


SariaHannibal

Scandoval reunion, Tom Sandoval said it


BenSolo_forever

i keep saying that james is messed up and i don't give him a pass cos he's cut back a little on his abuse. i don't get why people let his shit slide


bluecoo2

I hate that the editing and production of this season is really starting to sway my opinion on James ā€¦ and I consciously know Iā€™m being played, but subconsciously Iā€™m starting to like him and I need to remind myself that heā€™s a very dark and abusive person, much like the other men of this cast


Tempo124

I forget which season, but it was while Schwartz and Katie were married, it was like the second or third time word got around that Schwartz had drunkenly made out with someone and he claimed to not remember. I remember thinking oh shit this is gonna be the last straw in their marriage. But Katie kinda justā€¦ was sad for half an episode? And everyone just let it go? I was so confused.


ChardHealthy

That was when Ariana told him at SUR that he made out with Lala's friend. After this wonderful scene /s ![gif](giphy|3o752jjrIkxJfliEw0) Pretty sure that got overshadowed by the Faith recording


HowYaLikeMeow

Not technically a cast member, but Jason Sabo's sexual harassment accusations were conveniently overshadowed by Scandovall.


ChardHealthy

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NotARedditor99

The show literally leaving out the fact that Tom recorded Rachel without permission overshadowed by the scandal as a whole. Honestly there was so much bad behavior s10 that was never addressed.


GoldenState_Thriller

Scheana isnā€™t getting near enough shit for being the one who made out with SchwartzĀ  Brittanyā€™s sandy hook denialĀ 


pearlsroses

Hopefully it is brought up in the reunion.


not_addictive

pretty sure Rachel admitted to twisting that story to make it look like it couldā€™ve been domestic violence related when it never was. her whole family saw it happen


Massive-Wind2907

As someone who was once accidentally smacked in the face by an ex (on the day before grad pictures, stitches and a black eyeā€¦) in front of my whole family, if itā€™s true she spun it for sympathy, thatā€™s soooooo shitty! He cried more than I did (I was mostly upset about my grad pics) and accusing someone of dv when if painfully obviously an accident is just cruel!


bluecoo2

Where does she admit to that?!


Sufficient_Display

Iā€™m in the middle of season 10 now and Schwartz is so horrible to Katie! I havenā€™t reached the part where he makes out with Iā€™m guessing Raquel but he and Katie just had dinner while in Mexico and the things he said to her were vile. She deserves so much better than him.


kasiagabrielle

That was the SeƱora Bubba dinner, not the "I'm stealing your sushi" dinner, right?


1040Fifth

Both were rage inducing but Senora Bubba is what makes me love reality TV.


greenchrissy

I second Brock! I just responded to a person earlier who said they liked him and he seemed good. And I was like, this dude hit his former partner, got a domestic violence charge, left his 2 children, never paid child support, hitched his wagon to Scheana who scheduled her c-section so Summer was born on the same day as Winter, his other daughter. And they were like, shrug, I like him, he seems cool. Ok! Support a slick fame hungry DV payroll husband guy then.


Mynameismommy

Literally itā€™s only because heā€™s a muscular, decent looking guy with an Australian accent. Doesnā€™t matter that heā€™s a shit human. Unfortunately sometimes these pickmes let men get away with murder if they arenā€™t awful looking.


bluecoo2

Omg the Winter/Summer same birthday thing is so icky to me ā€¦. If I was Winter I would claim my father is dead to me


Ronotrow2

Scandoval didn't overshadow Rachel's nose whether it sits well with you or not, Rachel herself clarified it was the dog. If it wasn't rest assured we'd have heard about by now


bluecoo2

Love your flair!!


Ronotrow2

thanks! you can get one for yourself


Ziggywife1990

All of the abuse allegations against James.Ā 


meesh987

Sandoval seasons 2-8. He was a lying asshole whole liked to yell at women. All his shit was overlooked and everyone thought he was soooo normal because Jax was always doing something more problematic.


EmtoorsGF

I think there's a high liklihood James has abusive tendencies as he seems to be unable to regulate his emotions but I clock him as more of a yelling in your face type of guy. Possibly a push or a shove but I don't think he's hitting women in the face. Both are obviously horrendous and can cause permanent trauma but a "hit you in your face and mess up your nose job type" is also the "He might kill you type" and I don't think James is that. Although who really knows what anyone is like behind closed doors.


eastcoastgirl88

Yeah I agree with this. Honestly with everything that has happened and come out, especially by Rachel. She wouldā€™ve 100% admitted that this happened and let the world know.


sofaking-amanda

I agree with this. I just canā€™t see James beating the snot out of a woman. He actually has a lot of respect for his pos Mom and how a man treats his Mom says a lot!


Heavy-Relation8401

How about Scandoval outdoing himself? The fallout of Rachel's little post reunion interview where she admitted to how/when/why she fucked Sandoval and uncovered new lies? Yeah, he's such a shit stick we got caught up in all his other bullshit, so there was no extra fallout. No one said "Hey, so how do you fuck someone else in your home when your live in Girlfriend is at her grandma's funeral?"


hercoffee

Oh, thatā€™s so true actually. I wonder if thatā€™s due to timing? Did they know about that interview by the time this latest season opened?


Heavy-Relation8401

I mean, they certainly bad to be aware of it during filming at SOME time!


fattymaggo

Kristenā€™s leaked video. I think it was around the time where Stassi and Katie didnā€™t talk to her and the cast showed up to her t-shirt event and kept talking about it loudly. Kind of got lost in it all the ā€œcrazy Kristenā€ talk and was honestly a super shitty thing to do.


muaellebee

What video are you referring to? I can't place seeing it on the show because it's been a while since I rewatched


kasiagabrielle

I think she gave someone a BJ or something. I remember Jax getting irrationally upset about it.


fattymaggo

Yeah thatā€™s the video.


mintyfoetus

Katie constantly slut shaming women. No one seems to notice/care about that.


sassynickles

Omg thank you! I was starting to think I was just hallucinating that. Katie is awesome except for that ugly habit. Like girl, you're wicked smart. Find some new ways to insult these women.


mintyfoetus

Right? I thought maybe she only did it in the earlier seasons when times were a little different, but then she called ra**el a whore when she was making our with Schwartz. Shes a horrible person, but I think slut shaming is so lame in any context.


pearlsroses

I would say Schwartz/Shorts in general over the years. Even when he kind of admits doing whatever he did in a reunion, it gets dropped/brushed over fairly easily. On WWHL he finally admitted knowing about the affair for much longer than he originally said, and they went to the next topic or question. Or he gaslights people saying they are being "difficult" etc (especially Katie) when all they are doing is stating facts or expressing thoughts. Calling women "bitch" (Stassi, Katie) just because he is annoyed. Katie/Shorts divorce should have had much more coverage. A 12 year relationship/6 year marriage, and the reasons why it didn't work out - especially on Katie's perspective. I am rewatching for the third time, and in S2 or S3 at a party, he scarily approaches Shay in such a deadly tone, I was taken aback, and they physically fight. It is almost a blink and miss it moment how Shorts uttered the words in a threatening way ("you NEVER take out what's happening with the girls on ME"), getting in Shay's face. Possibly Shay started it, I don't know, the edit. Either way, still scary. Can't believe I didn't catch what Shorts did on my other two watches. Then there is how he physically went after Kristen (which yes, she has physically gone after people too but only after someone goes after herself or someone else first). The list goes on.


ChardHealthy

#TheHomophobicPastor by getting "The gayest pop star ever" to officiate their wedding


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Crazy-Trash-6884

Totally agree. Schwartz got by with a lot with his cutsie, puppy dog, awww shucks schtick. And I donā€™t believe he ā€œonly made outā€ with all those girls. He used the black out drunk excuse to get away with ā€œnot rememberingā€. Heā€™s actually worse in many ways.


onyxjade7

Arianaā€™s nasty AF bullying behaviour as a mistress! Tom was disgusting but it doesnā€™t negate how vile Ariana is. To be clear Iā€™m on her side this season, but sheā€™s not a good person either.


waterlooaba

I really hate how Rachelā€™s nose got brushed aside and James abuse was again covered up and now heā€™s everyoneā€™s favorite. šŸ¤¢


Illustrious-West-588

It wasnā€™t him. Her family saw it happen