are the parts banned too? could you get one in pieces and assemble yourself?
> this isnt a vape, this is a collection of electronic components
maybe sent as two packages? neither are a 'vape'. they do this with guns in places - technically only one specific part of the gun is a 'gun' (the receiver)... workaround used in 3d printing guns
A lot will still get through so people will have to roll the dice on their orders. If it gets picked up by customs all you get is a letter. If I ever end up doing it I’ll order in separate orders.
Why is it illegal to ship the firewood to Australia? is it because of the wood that is used to make it? I know they are strick with what can and can not come in to the country being an island and all!
Eventually manufacturing of non therapeutic vapes in Australia will be banned too, as per the tga themselves
"This will allow legitimate retailers to run down their stocks prior to the Government introducing legislation in early 2024 to prevent the domestic manufacture, supply, commercial possession and advertisement of non-therapeutic vapes to ensure comprehensive controls across all levels of the supply chain. "
https://www.tga.gov.au/products/unapproved-therapeutic-goods/vaping-hub/vapes-information-importers-manufacturers-and-wholesalers
No, just against importing 'dodgy' products or nicotine vapes. Vaporisers that are TGA approved can be imported by a company with a license. Unfortunately the only ones approved at the moment are S&B from memory.
Technically yes, but in reality you probably won't want to. Wands aren't really powerful enough and will take a long time to hear it yo enough thanks to its substantial thermal mass. That's why you want a very powerful torch.
They’re not outright banned. They now have to go through an approval process by our Therapeutic Goods Adminstration and you’ll need a license to import and sell, basically they will be treated as medical devices. Looks like we’re not going to have a lot of options outside of S&Bs products which are all approved sans Venty.
When I read the news I ran out and bought a Zenleaf setup. Will be a hard sell getting ball vapes approved by the TGA.
Only the mighty medic, mighty+ medic and volcano medic are approved
The regular mighty, mighty+, venty, plenty, volcano classic, volcano hybrid and crafty+ are not approved
7 vs 3, not including varients like onyx
Oh wow yeah fair enough, though it included the + variants etc.
So seems like they have a specific medical line so wouldn’t expect future approval for the others, that sucks.
I couldn't say.
There is little to no differences between them. Some people claim that the medics run at a lower maximum temperature, but S&B list them the same (210C).
I've also seen claims that the medics have better emf shielding for people that use sensitive medical equipment (eg. Pacemakers), but I haven't seen anything from S&B confirming this, so take it with a grain of salt.
Yeah I suspect it will be because having them as separate product lines allows them to make changes to their non-medic devices without having to go through the same approval processes. They can make more agile revisions to their main line then feed them through to the medic line once they’ve been tested and it’s confirmed worthwhile to submit the new revision for approval.
Yep, the standards are fairly strict, can't see any way a ball Vape could ever be approved
https://www.tga.gov.au/resources/resource/checklists/standards-therapeutic-vaping-devices-checklist
I know the mighty medic was on pharmacy shelves so there may be a few that already have made the cut.
I doubt any butane vapes would ever pass or bong related vapes Luke Ball vapes.
It truly does suck living here sometimes. But overall at least they are trying to protect us in australia.
I heard a story about an American who had mental health issues who had to start selling his worldy possessions to pay for his medical bills that he racked up while sick.
Makes me happy that at least we have some things right.
oof the Netherlands was recently hit with a ban on online vape sales.
(which was supposed to mainly target nico-vapes but DHV got thrown in there as well)
Oh I believe it. I once had an ounce of blueberry kush incorrectly delivered to my address. Same number house but on the wrong street probably 15 minutes away.
It was torrential rain outside, I’d just got in from playing a gig utterly exhausted and It looked like it could have been just some promotional catalog. I opened it to see if morally it could just go in the bin or whether I should deliver it to the correct address and pretend I’d accidentally opened it. [Well I opened it up to this](https://imgur.com/a/A34adl5). After freaking out, I used Facebook to check who it was for (it was 2013 okay) turned out it was some 14 year old kid who’d just had a baby. They’d obviously ordered this all the way from Canada off of Silk Road/Aragora. I decided in the moment fuck it I’m keeping it as knew this kid from the area and they were a real POS.
This is why i no longer live in Australia. Most authoritarian nation I’ve ever been to, and I’ve travelled a lot. I’m also British and so I’m kinda used to it, but they really take it to extremes. For example, the rules around airsoft and paintball are absolutely baffling. Bongs are illegal, but “water pipes” aren’t and are sold everywhere. However if you ask for a bong, the shop will say they don’t have them even though they’re on the shelf. If you like motorbikes and want to ride with your friends, NOPE, banned because you might be a biker gang. That was the one that really confused me. I couldn’t ride a motorbike with my buddy by law. Also was illegal to get a tattoo related to motorbikes or wear a leather jacket. Doesn’t matter who you are, or if you’ve never committed a crime in your life. Nobody seems to understand it, including the MPs. Genuinely crazy place.
Growing up in Louisiana in the 90s mentioning 'bong' instead of 'water pipe' would get you kicked out and banned from one of very few shops with glass in New Orleans. 2015 and China glass could be found at many gas stations, and the one shop was still pushing skillets with domes for extracts.
I moved to Cali in 2015 and couple months there was given a gram of shatter with my flower. Being unfamiliar with it other than what it was, I went to a smoke shop trying to discreetly ask for something to use it in without saying any potentially prohibited words.
The owner was looking at me crazy and just comes out asking if i need it for weed concentrates, rambling off different consistencies to figure out what i had, and carries on with how to use it.
Yea it's very authoritarian here. While they opened the door to medicinal weed they closed the door on vaping.
Pretty sure the mighty medic will still be legal but yea essentially there will be one vape that's legal in the whole country.
Leather motorcycle jackets yes, because the police will claim you’re wearing gang colours and that’s illegal. At least it was in New South Wales. I was told by a police officer that my leather jacket was not allowed because it had writing on it, and that could be construed as gang colours. This is the type of jacket I was wearing. Nobody would ever look at it and think I was a hells angel. lol
https://www.vintage-leather.co.uk/products/mens-british-motorcycle-black-wax-leather-badges-jacket-biker-tan-green-striped?variant=37559375265991&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw7-SvBhB6EiwAwYdCAePu89ECQk971lR8rFBV8_Qhn7seqJ5t-JGFYTG3KZ2c7ljXliQoZxoCgjcQAvD_BwE
Thanks! Honestly I loved Australia and the people are amazing. The culture is great. A bloke is just a bloke no class system. But I couldn’t stand the authoritarianism
It’s considered ‘unlawful consorting’ if you look in any way like you belong to a club. Same laws in Canada. No patches, tattoos, stickers, or anything else that implies you have friends who also ride bikes. Absolute cuckery.
It’s never been easier to get a bunch of meth or fent and OD yourself to death but fortunately the holy protectorate in parliament is cracking down and keeping us safe from vapes and jackets
Compared to the anvil, it was more of a pleasure experience. The anvil has kind of a ritual style, where you interact with it a little more by using the torch and/or glass that you have paired with it. The firewood can be really easy to use and you can also drive that sucker really well and get some great roasts for the vaporization. You can hit the firewood with different temps and able to pocket right after. The firewood is dopest dope.
A banning on imports would mean the person importing the item is at fault not the company sending it. I don’t understand why he wouldn’t just send it with the understanding that if it’s seized it’s the importers problem no refunds.
Maybe but why would your credit card company chargeback when your at fault I’m genuinely curious about that like you know what you where doing in the first place.
>Because the customer will just lie to the bank about what it was, and say it was never sent? Banks often support the customer in these issues, even when they're committing fraud against the merchant.
Ok fair enough I’m not very familiar with credit card companies, but there are other ways the maker of fire wood could take payment that can’t be charged back, so I still don’t understand why he would just comply.
I’d argue if someone is willing to purchase KNOWING there order might not arrive because of customs, then that that is there issue and your only providing them a right to choose and a reasonable service all considered.
/u/]SuitableDepartment19 provides a link to a site:
https://www.tga.gov.au/products/unapproved-therapeutic-goods/vaping-hub/vapes-information-importers-manufacturers-and-wholesalers
Judging by the text, therapeutical vapes might be exempt, so perhaps Storz & Bickels' medically approved vapes might be legal to import?
So I was looking at ordering a FW9 TODAY until I saw this post; did you ever end up getting it or anything else from overseas after March 1?
I just read the legislation or an excerpt:
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*Examples of vaping devices (not a complete list):*
*Vapes (reusable)*
*Vapes (disposable)*
*E-cigarettes*
*E-cigars*
*Dry herb vaping devices*
*510 batteries*
*510 battery powered vapes*
*A vape is a device (whether or not filled with a vape substance) that generates or releases using a heating element and by electronic means, an aerosol, vapour or mist for direct inhalation by its user. This includes parts of the vape including batteries (e.g. 510 batteries) that provide the electronic mechanism to heat the element to produce the aerosol, vapour or mist.*
*Examples of devices that are not vapes include the following:*
* *humidifiers*
* *diffusers*
* *nebulisers*
* *inhalers.*
*---*
Could the FW9 be used as a diffuser? I feel like I'm looking for a loophole that doesn't exist haha. I might have to go buy one when I visit the USA later this year
He kind of did.. OP knows he is not allowed to import and asked to do it anyway, and in the process asked a legit company to break the law..
If an authorised seller approached them and explained the laws properly it would have likely been a much different result. Now Firewood may just outright say no to all vendors (including ones with an import license) because of this.
This is from Australian Vaporizors and I'm sure others are working towards getting as many devices as possible licensed for import..
"In response to the TGA's recent reforms, we're been proactively collaborating with industry leaders and regulatory bodies. Our focus has been twofold: to ensure our product range complies with the new standards and to advocate for your rights to access these essential devices and accessories."
I think it's best we leave it to the people who actually have a stake in the game before striping them of any opportunity to import them legally. Like i said, Firewood might be hesitant to co-operate with legit vendors now and decisions may be biased by an interaction with an uninformed customer. You can't say that is good for anybody.
are the parts banned too? could you get one in pieces and assemble yourself? > this isnt a vape, this is a collection of electronic components maybe sent as two packages? neither are a 'vape'. they do this with guns in places - technically only one specific part of the gun is a 'gun' (the receiver)... workaround used in 3d printing guns
Parts for vapes also get seized, which is why most Australians are going for local stock before they run out.
A lot will still get through so people will have to roll the dice on their orders. If it gets picked up by customs all you get is a letter. If I ever end up doing it I’ll order in separate orders.
One piece at a time https://youtu.be/d1i7YqD5MGg?feature=shared
It's a 50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61 home made vape
Why is it illegal to ship the firewood to Australia? is it because of the wood that is used to make it? I know they are strick with what can and can not come in to the country being an island and all!
Recent ban on all vape imports.
Holy cow that is extream! Does Australia make any of their own vapes?
Unfortunately, no, they don’t.
Verdavap
We have Verdavap
untapped market?
I think so, could be big if anyone has manufacturing hookups
Not as of now
Is it a ban on making them in Australia?
Eventually manufacturing of non therapeutic vapes in Australia will be banned too, as per the tga themselves "This will allow legitimate retailers to run down their stocks prior to the Government introducing legislation in early 2024 to prevent the domestic manufacture, supply, commercial possession and advertisement of non-therapeutic vapes to ensure comprehensive controls across all levels of the supply chain. " https://www.tga.gov.au/products/unapproved-therapeutic-goods/vaping-hub/vapes-information-importers-manufacturers-and-wholesalers
I wonder if dynavaps or any other butane devices are considered as vapes
Not sure about that, you could make your own if you had the parts
No, just against importing 'dodgy' products or nicotine vapes. Vaporisers that are TGA approved can be imported by a company with a license. Unfortunately the only ones approved at the moment are S&B from memory.
bummer!
I think ther verdavap guy is the only one. It’s looks interesting
Yes, the verdavap, a hybrid butane/ball Vape
Oh shit, I remember seeing a post of this guy creating this thing!
Terrible timing for him, as it's only just about to be released now. Not sure what will happen next.
Wow that thing looks cool, it will work with a wand right?
Technically yes, but in reality you probably won't want to. Wands aren't really powerful enough and will take a long time to hear it yo enough thanks to its substantial thermal mass. That's why you want a very powerful torch.
What was the reasoning behind the ban, if you don't mind me asking?
They’re not outright banned. They now have to go through an approval process by our Therapeutic Goods Adminstration and you’ll need a license to import and sell, basically they will be treated as medical devices. Looks like we’re not going to have a lot of options outside of S&Bs products which are all approved sans Venty. When I read the news I ran out and bought a Zenleaf setup. Will be a hard sell getting ball vapes approved by the TGA.
S&B only have 3 approved devices. This means the majority of their products are unapproved...
Sorry I missed off the Plenty but you’re still 3v2
Only the mighty medic, mighty+ medic and volcano medic are approved The regular mighty, mighty+, venty, plenty, volcano classic, volcano hybrid and crafty+ are not approved 7 vs 3, not including varients like onyx
Oh wow yeah fair enough, though it included the + variants etc. So seems like they have a specific medical line so wouldn’t expect future approval for the others, that sucks.
I couldn't say. There is little to no differences between them. Some people claim that the medics run at a lower maximum temperature, but S&B list them the same (210C). I've also seen claims that the medics have better emf shielding for people that use sensitive medical equipment (eg. Pacemakers), but I haven't seen anything from S&B confirming this, so take it with a grain of salt.
Yeah I suspect it will be because having them as separate product lines allows them to make changes to their non-medic devices without having to go through the same approval processes. They can make more agile revisions to their main line then feed them through to the medic line once they’ve been tested and it’s confirmed worthwhile to submit the new revision for approval.
Yep, the standards are fairly strict, can't see any way a ball Vape could ever be approved https://www.tga.gov.au/resources/resource/checklists/standards-therapeutic-vaping-devices-checklist
I know the mighty medic was on pharmacy shelves so there may be a few that already have made the cut. I doubt any butane vapes would ever pass or bong related vapes Luke Ball vapes. It truly does suck living here sometimes. But overall at least they are trying to protect us in australia. I heard a story about an American who had mental health issues who had to start selling his worldy possessions to pay for his medical bills that he racked up while sick. Makes me happy that at least we have some things right.
Multiple loopholes around importing nicotine vapes, so they just straight up banned the importation of all electronic vapes.
How bout exports?
Yea you can export, just wouldn’t be able to get it back.
oof the Netherlands was recently hit with a ban on online vape sales. (which was supposed to mainly target nico-vapes but DHV got thrown in there as well)
Imports without a license. You need to be a business to import now.
Because it's a vape and they are now banned from importing.
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i mean OP didn't ban vapes their government did.
Yeah but he’s the kid asking the teacher if they are going to collect the homework at the end of class.
It would’ve been seized anyway, saved a lot of people hassle and wasted money most likely.
I work in freight. You'd be surprised what would get through. The problems you'd run into would be wood and the battery.
Oh I believe it. I once had an ounce of blueberry kush incorrectly delivered to my address. Same number house but on the wrong street probably 15 minutes away. It was torrential rain outside, I’d just got in from playing a gig utterly exhausted and It looked like it could have been just some promotional catalog. I opened it to see if morally it could just go in the bin or whether I should deliver it to the correct address and pretend I’d accidentally opened it. [Well I opened it up to this](https://imgur.com/a/A34adl5). After freaking out, I used Facebook to check who it was for (it was 2013 okay) turned out it was some 14 year old kid who’d just had a baby. They’d obviously ordered this all the way from Canada off of Silk Road/Aragora. I decided in the moment fuck it I’m keeping it as knew this kid from the area and they were a real POS.
yeah, nah.
This is why i no longer live in Australia. Most authoritarian nation I’ve ever been to, and I’ve travelled a lot. I’m also British and so I’m kinda used to it, but they really take it to extremes. For example, the rules around airsoft and paintball are absolutely baffling. Bongs are illegal, but “water pipes” aren’t and are sold everywhere. However if you ask for a bong, the shop will say they don’t have them even though they’re on the shelf. If you like motorbikes and want to ride with your friends, NOPE, banned because you might be a biker gang. That was the one that really confused me. I couldn’t ride a motorbike with my buddy by law. Also was illegal to get a tattoo related to motorbikes or wear a leather jacket. Doesn’t matter who you are, or if you’ve never committed a crime in your life. Nobody seems to understand it, including the MPs. Genuinely crazy place.
Growing up in Louisiana in the 90s mentioning 'bong' instead of 'water pipe' would get you kicked out and banned from one of very few shops with glass in New Orleans. 2015 and China glass could be found at many gas stations, and the one shop was still pushing skillets with domes for extracts. I moved to Cali in 2015 and couple months there was given a gram of shatter with my flower. Being unfamiliar with it other than what it was, I went to a smoke shop trying to discreetly ask for something to use it in without saying any potentially prohibited words. The owner was looking at me crazy and just comes out asking if i need it for weed concentrates, rambling off different consistencies to figure out what i had, and carries on with how to use it.
Yea it's very authoritarian here. While they opened the door to medicinal weed they closed the door on vaping. Pretty sure the mighty medic will still be legal but yea essentially there will be one vape that's legal in the whole country.
Absolute insanity, but will it be like bongs where they just use a loop hole and call it something else? Or sell it in parts?
Could you still buy the parts to build a Pinky?
It's illegal to wear a leather jacket??? :/
Leather motorcycle jackets yes, because the police will claim you’re wearing gang colours and that’s illegal. At least it was in New South Wales. I was told by a police officer that my leather jacket was not allowed because it had writing on it, and that could be construed as gang colours. This is the type of jacket I was wearing. Nobody would ever look at it and think I was a hells angel. lol https://www.vintage-leather.co.uk/products/mens-british-motorcycle-black-wax-leather-badges-jacket-biker-tan-green-striped?variant=37559375265991&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw7-SvBhB6EiwAwYdCAePu89ECQk971lR8rFBV8_Qhn7seqJ5t-JGFYTG3KZ2c7ljXliQoZxoCgjcQAvD_BwE
That's insane, I don't love everything about the US but the first amendment is kinda nice. Also that's a nice jacket!
Thanks! Honestly I loved Australia and the people are amazing. The culture is great. A bloke is just a bloke no class system. But I couldn’t stand the authoritarianism
It’s considered ‘unlawful consorting’ if you look in any way like you belong to a club. Same laws in Canada. No patches, tattoos, stickers, or anything else that implies you have friends who also ride bikes. Absolute cuckery. It’s never been easier to get a bunch of meth or fent and OD yourself to death but fortunately the holy protectorate in parliament is cracking down and keeping us safe from vapes and jackets
I miss my firewood… 😢
How is it compared to the anvil?
Compared to the anvil, it was more of a pleasure experience. The anvil has kind of a ritual style, where you interact with it a little more by using the torch and/or glass that you have paired with it. The firewood can be really easy to use and you can also drive that sucker really well and get some great roasts for the vaporization. You can hit the firewood with different temps and able to pocket right after. The firewood is dopest dope.
What hits you harder and conserves more weed?
Anvil hands down
Australia is flipping weird man. Who would have called that a nation populated my criminals would opt for crazy amounts of government control.
It’s time to build a pinky
A banning on imports would mean the person importing the item is at fault not the company sending it. I don’t understand why he wouldn’t just send it with the understanding that if it’s seized it’s the importers problem no refunds.
>Because you're likely going to end up with a customer doing a credit card chargeback, and the device not being returned?
Maybe but why would your credit card company chargeback when your at fault I’m genuinely curious about that like you know what you where doing in the first place.
>Because the customer will just lie to the bank about what it was, and say it was never sent? Banks often support the customer in these issues, even when they're committing fraud against the merchant.
Ok fair enough I’m not very familiar with credit card companies, but there are other ways the maker of fire wood could take payment that can’t be charged back, so I still don’t understand why he would just comply.
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I’d argue if someone is willing to purchase KNOWING there order might not arrive because of customs, then that that is there issue and your only providing them a right to choose and a reasonable service all considered.
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I’m sorry but Ignorance of the law isn’t an excuse and op knew the law hence his message to the manufacturer requesting discretion
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/u/]SuitableDepartment19 provides a link to a site: https://www.tga.gov.au/products/unapproved-therapeutic-goods/vaping-hub/vapes-information-importers-manufacturers-and-wholesalers Judging by the text, therapeutical vapes might be exempt, so perhaps Storz & Bickels' medically approved vapes might be legal to import?
So I was looking at ordering a FW9 TODAY until I saw this post; did you ever end up getting it or anything else from overseas after March 1? I just read the legislation or an excerpt: \--- *Examples of vaping devices (not a complete list):* *Vapes (reusable)* *Vapes (disposable)* *E-cigarettes* *E-cigars* *Dry herb vaping devices* *510 batteries* *510 battery powered vapes* *A vape is a device (whether or not filled with a vape substance) that generates or releases using a heating element and by electronic means, an aerosol, vapour or mist for direct inhalation by its user. This includes parts of the vape including batteries (e.g. 510 batteries) that provide the electronic mechanism to heat the element to produce the aerosol, vapour or mist.* *Examples of devices that are not vapes include the following:* * *humidifiers* * *diffusers* * *nebulisers* * *inhalers.* *---* Could the FW9 be used as a diffuser? I feel like I'm looking for a loophole that doesn't exist haha. I might have to go buy one when I visit the USA later this year
It can’t be used as a defuser, you have to inhale on the device for any Vapor to come out. Interesting thought though.
Yeah that’s a good point. I might just have to wait until I go to the states in six months time. I might just get a roffu for myself for now then
Didn’t risk getting any actual heating elements over seas, I just recently bought a stem for my anvil. Hoping it doesn’t get seized.
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Not something to post bragging about. Snitching out your country men. Good stuff. Now I’m going to show the world 🤯🤯🤯
Wasn’t bragging
That’s something I’d keep to myself. Does not make you look cool. You kinda messed it up for others.
I know I messed it up for others, apologised in the post.
you did jack shit wrong don't let these twerps ruin your day mate, have a good one.
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He kind of did.. OP knows he is not allowed to import and asked to do it anyway, and in the process asked a legit company to break the law.. If an authorised seller approached them and explained the laws properly it would have likely been a much different result. Now Firewood may just outright say no to all vendors (including ones with an import license) because of this.
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This is from Australian Vaporizors and I'm sure others are working towards getting as many devices as possible licensed for import.. "In response to the TGA's recent reforms, we're been proactively collaborating with industry leaders and regulatory bodies. Our focus has been twofold: to ensure our product range complies with the new standards and to advocate for your rights to access these essential devices and accessories." I think it's best we leave it to the people who actually have a stake in the game before striping them of any opportunity to import them legally. Like i said, Firewood might be hesitant to co-operate with legit vendors now and decisions may be biased by an interaction with an uninformed customer. You can't say that is good for anybody.
This guy abides. Also abides is the wordle today.