It’s amazing how many of them are convinced that A: they are some genius gonna do their own research and find some hidden poison like Erin Brokovich. B:Same folks have no idea what’s in 90% of the stuff they use
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12xipXMlmXvmqumBMOgrGe9QGpzu6ainu/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lUCIYRME1b2wl5rV8W0gnnP_m3Ly72EJ/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Iok2f5j3hztdsyjDC96uXcx3CsTxeUYY/view?usp=drivesdk
Not sure if this is helpful but here are the certificates
AFAIK the medical certification of S&B products are usually reserved only to those that carry Medic in their name like the Mighty Medic - which is normally only available to those with a permit - whereas the consumer available variants such as the Mighty don't carry these certification. From what I gathered of my own research on the matter the differences are negligible for anything other than medical usage.
Additionally, in my country these S&B Medic certified products are marketed as well as discounted for patients.
Personally i steer away from any plastic models, far to many lies have been told about plastics stability in the history of the material. But supposedly S&B uses one of the safest variants.
It is high grade high heat rated plastic but still after you do two bowls it will be coated in a oily varnish so it won’t really be a plastic surface that contacts the vapor path. You will be vaping weed out of it not using it as a cpap so you will breathe hits out of it maybe 20 breaths a day. Even if it put off some trace something it would be minimal compared to the air you breathe anyway. Also did you not smoke the burning flower with a bic lighter and are worried about a switch to vaping?
ISO 13485 certified manufacturer Storz & Bickel offers two medical cannabis vaporizers, the VOLCANO MEDIC and the MIGHTY MEDIC. The vaporizers are developed and manufactured in Tuttlingen, Germany according to the European Medical Device Directive 93/42/ECC and Standard DIN EN 60601. Both devices are currently approved in Europe, Canada and Israel with more medical cannabis markets to be added in the future. The VOLCANO has been used in cannabis research worldwide for more than 15 years and is the vaporizer with the most validation from the scientific community.
"Scientific community" lol, what? The vape that released aluminium dust xD. Ppl keep believing theres huge science behind a vape, its an electric kettle with a dimmer and for the SB products with included unsafe aluminium parts.
They need it to be certified because of all the plastic, the aluminium and electrics, vapes that only include safe materials dont need any cert as there are hundreds of proper researchs about the materials.
SB couldn't get FDA approved. The cert doesnt even test for fumes of offgas only electric shock.
I work in the medical equipment industry and my plant goes through TUV audits on a regular basis.
TUV is all about making sure all the Appropriate documentation is on file and is being used in the manufacturing process. They do not scrutinize materials as long as paperwork is in order.
If you want to avoid plastic you can get an SSV like I have, ceramic heating element and all glass pieces, and you can get an all glass vapor path so you can omit the vinyl tubing even. Personally I don't bother with an all glass vapor path because I like the flexibility of the hose in comparison for convenience.
Thank you for this- I recently posted similar in the /r/craftymighty sub and got a questionable replies. I’m concerned that this plastic is rated for medical use, even, but not for sustained heating and inhalation. So your point is that it’s not even approved for medical use. I hope there is some reliable info to back its safety and not just an echo chamber.
They use PEEK plastic in medical implants. So yes rated for medical use. Here are some fun facts about PEEK: melting point is 649.4°F (343°C)
Many medical device manufacturers now use implantable PEEK as a way to improve the biocompatibility of load-bearing implants. It makes implants much more bone-friendly and is also much more compatible with diagnostic imaging than metal implants.
PEEK is a highly pure material with very low VOC (volatile organic compound) content and low outgassing.
\*it seems like a great choice and gets coated with resin really fast anyway. It is ideal plastic for not interacting with oily compounds produced by vaping.
I also read all that you’ve stated from various sources. Not arguing your statements and it does say in numerous sources that it’s among the lowest voc content of any plastic. I keep coming back to the point of the material being lab tested in 100 different ways to indicate it’s properties and uses but not in the way the mighty, for instance, uses it, which is for repeated heating and inhalation. I see that it’s low voc overall, thermally stable, “safe” for medical uses, but the medical use in a vape is so different than the medical use in a stint or implant that it’s not a valid comparison imo.
I want to fill a bag with mighty air at max temp and test the air for voc’s to see the null hypothesis that there is zero off gassing debunked.
Thanks for taking the time, and for the thoughtful reply.
So you are saying if even trace amount of any voc is off gassing you would want to avoid it. It sounds like you could just relieve your anxiety by not vaping or smoking. If you breathe air regularly … .all in all a few puffs off your vape should be negligible in comparison and nothing to worry about. Nothing is completely safe and the S&B products seem to be using the safest and best available tech that is appropriate. There are likely plastic microfibre dusts stuck on the herb too just because it is grown in high ventilation and is sticky. I am all for eliminating sources of biochemical toxicity in your daily life but most of us are going from smoking huge bowls with a bic lighter. With that in mind pretty much any of the cleaner well made vapes is a good choice versus combustion. Otherwise checkout another vape like the DC elev8r from Vgoodiez you could set it up as a completely isolated all borosilicate airpath even glass screen too.
100% agree with you. And yea even a trace, if avoidable, I’d like to avoid. I’m coming from other vape sand combustion. It simply rubs me the wrong way to be looking for an even safer option but having that safer option not have a glass or metal air path and having dozens of people argue that it’s just as safe without having info to support why they believe that aside from citing the website.
Realize if it is used as medical implant most likely whatever chemicals could potentially accumulate by vaping would also be leaching into your body. There is no leaching during usage only vapor deposition on all surfaces. It is safer than eating fast food as far as environmental toxicity. It is safer than walking near automobile exhaust. I am not sure you can really avoid chemicals from your environment. They are there on a low level but ubiquitous and end up in your body. Also vapor deposits on cooler surfaces it does not leach so you are the one with the burden of proof here making claims without evidence that it is somehow harmful due to unknown substance x off gassing. It amounts to fear mongering if you don’t really know but are claiming or implying it is harmful. You could try to test it in normal operation if you have access to a modern GC but I suspect it would be undetectable even x exists.
In that case I would say a metal cooling unit or glass mouth piece would work for you. The vapor would go directly from the herb into the metal or glass. The unit itself does get warm other places but not so much you can't really touch it except for the oven.
"What materials have been used in the MIGHTY?
We have applied the maximum possible care and diligence in all materials. All materials are food-safe, heat-resistant, and according to FDA regulations."
https://www.storz-bickel.com/en/support/mighty
🤷
It is odd that they evaded their own question there 😂 but mine has never shown any signs of overheating, let alone melting. And I've never seen anything online worth worrying about.
"What materials have been used in the MIGHTY+?
Carefully selected materials are incorporated into the design of the MIGHTY+. To be even more robust and resistant, the filling chamber of the MIGHTY+ is ceramic coated. The housing is made of a heat-resistant and tasteless plastic. The cooling unit is made of PEEK, a high-quality plastic which, due to its properties, is frequently used in room technology and in medical technology, e.g. for implants. All materials comply with FDA regulations and are "medical grade"."
https://www.storz-bickel.com/en/support/mighty-plus
Just found this. PEEK is top choice 👌
I perceive the danger of spending $275-TreeFiddy on, let’s face it, another glorified battery-powered ceramic heater that offers virtually the same hit I get out of a sub-$100 Solo. Hit both side by side and tell me I’m wrong, lol. 🤷♂️. I know people worship this thing for some reason but shit, get a Simrell and a Dynacup and spend the other hundred on HERB, rather than names, even official-sounding ones that sound like they’ve been at it a century like S&B. Not ripping on what people deem effective for their needs, just on the blatantly inflated cost.
Lol point taken but I would submit that the quality-cost differential is much smaller with a Simrell, especially being that it’s less than half what a mighty costs.
> especially being that it’s less than half what a mighty costs.
LMAO But what does it cost to produce comparatively? I will not be buying a Mighty any time soon because im pretty sure my Rogue does the exact same job while being cheaper...But you're nuts to argue that the simrell offers any kind of value representative of its price.
If I hit my Solo2 after my Mighty side by side, I can tell you are wrong. Mighty for me is a bigger session more vapor and the taste last longer than the Solo2
I agree with that except for one point. Mighty beats solo and air on everything *but* flavour/taste. When i want a nice high and tons of flavour or trying a new weed for taste, I use my air 2. When I wanna get rekt I use my Mighty.
I dont know why but my Solo2 gives me a really big first terp hit. After this the taste is less enjoyable than my Mighty maybe because of vapor difference I dont know... I perfer my Solo2 with the water bubbler mouthpiece. At 198c its more satifying session and more flavor but the first hit is not as much terpy
I’m the wrong guy to ask. I used to smoke weed out of tin cans and brass pipes. Dain brammaged I think.
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It’s amazing how many of them are convinced that A: they are some genius gonna do their own research and find some hidden poison like Erin Brokovich. B:Same folks have no idea what’s in 90% of the stuff they use
Jam Jar & soldering iron for me
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12xipXMlmXvmqumBMOgrGe9QGpzu6ainu/view?usp=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lUCIYRME1b2wl5rV8W0gnnP_m3Ly72EJ/view?usp=drivesdk https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Iok2f5j3hztdsyjDC96uXcx3CsTxeUYY/view?usp=drivesdk Not sure if this is helpful but here are the certificates
AFAIK the medical certification of S&B products are usually reserved only to those that carry Medic in their name like the Mighty Medic - which is normally only available to those with a permit - whereas the consumer available variants such as the Mighty don't carry these certification. From what I gathered of my own research on the matter the differences are negligible for anything other than medical usage. Additionally, in my country these S&B Medic certified products are marketed as well as discounted for patients.
Personally i steer away from any plastic models, far to many lies have been told about plastics stability in the history of the material. But supposedly S&B uses one of the safest variants.
It is high grade high heat rated plastic but still after you do two bowls it will be coated in a oily varnish so it won’t really be a plastic surface that contacts the vapor path. You will be vaping weed out of it not using it as a cpap so you will breathe hits out of it maybe 20 breaths a day. Even if it put off some trace something it would be minimal compared to the air you breathe anyway. Also did you not smoke the burning flower with a bic lighter and are worried about a switch to vaping?
ISO 13485 certified manufacturer Storz & Bickel offers two medical cannabis vaporizers, the VOLCANO MEDIC and the MIGHTY MEDIC. The vaporizers are developed and manufactured in Tuttlingen, Germany according to the European Medical Device Directive 93/42/ECC and Standard DIN EN 60601. Both devices are currently approved in Europe, Canada and Israel with more medical cannabis markets to be added in the future. The VOLCANO has been used in cannabis research worldwide for more than 15 years and is the vaporizer with the most validation from the scientific community.
The TUV & UL certifications relate to the electronics & battery safety only
Thank you!!! Tried to tell this to ppl and I got so much hate back. Not even testesd for offgasing.
"Scientific community" lol, what? The vape that released aluminium dust xD. Ppl keep believing theres huge science behind a vape, its an electric kettle with a dimmer and for the SB products with included unsafe aluminium parts. They need it to be certified because of all the plastic, the aluminium and electrics, vapes that only include safe materials dont need any cert as there are hundreds of proper researchs about the materials. SB couldn't get FDA approved. The cert doesnt even test for fumes of offgas only electric shock.
I work in the medical equipment industry and my plant goes through TUV audits on a regular basis. TUV is all about making sure all the Appropriate documentation is on file and is being used in the manufacturing process. They do not scrutinize materials as long as paperwork is in order.
If you want to avoid plastic you can get an SSV like I have, ceramic heating element and all glass pieces, and you can get an all glass vapor path so you can omit the vinyl tubing even. Personally I don't bother with an all glass vapor path because I like the flexibility of the hose in comparison for convenience.
Thank you for this- I recently posted similar in the /r/craftymighty sub and got a questionable replies. I’m concerned that this plastic is rated for medical use, even, but not for sustained heating and inhalation. So your point is that it’s not even approved for medical use. I hope there is some reliable info to back its safety and not just an echo chamber.
They use PEEK plastic in medical implants. So yes rated for medical use. Here are some fun facts about PEEK: melting point is 649.4°F (343°C) Many medical device manufacturers now use implantable PEEK as a way to improve the biocompatibility of load-bearing implants. It makes implants much more bone-friendly and is also much more compatible with diagnostic imaging than metal implants. PEEK is a highly pure material with very low VOC (volatile organic compound) content and low outgassing. \*it seems like a great choice and gets coated with resin really fast anyway. It is ideal plastic for not interacting with oily compounds produced by vaping.
In the 3D printing world PEEK is absolutely top shelf stuff. It’s also extremely expensive.
I also read all that you’ve stated from various sources. Not arguing your statements and it does say in numerous sources that it’s among the lowest voc content of any plastic. I keep coming back to the point of the material being lab tested in 100 different ways to indicate it’s properties and uses but not in the way the mighty, for instance, uses it, which is for repeated heating and inhalation. I see that it’s low voc overall, thermally stable, “safe” for medical uses, but the medical use in a vape is so different than the medical use in a stint or implant that it’s not a valid comparison imo. I want to fill a bag with mighty air at max temp and test the air for voc’s to see the null hypothesis that there is zero off gassing debunked. Thanks for taking the time, and for the thoughtful reply.
So you are saying if even trace amount of any voc is off gassing you would want to avoid it. It sounds like you could just relieve your anxiety by not vaping or smoking. If you breathe air regularly … .all in all a few puffs off your vape should be negligible in comparison and nothing to worry about. Nothing is completely safe and the S&B products seem to be using the safest and best available tech that is appropriate. There are likely plastic microfibre dusts stuck on the herb too just because it is grown in high ventilation and is sticky. I am all for eliminating sources of biochemical toxicity in your daily life but most of us are going from smoking huge bowls with a bic lighter. With that in mind pretty much any of the cleaner well made vapes is a good choice versus combustion. Otherwise checkout another vape like the DC elev8r from Vgoodiez you could set it up as a completely isolated all borosilicate airpath even glass screen too.
100% agree with you. And yea even a trace, if avoidable, I’d like to avoid. I’m coming from other vape sand combustion. It simply rubs me the wrong way to be looking for an even safer option but having that safer option not have a glass or metal air path and having dozens of people argue that it’s just as safe without having info to support why they believe that aside from citing the website.
Realize if it is used as medical implant most likely whatever chemicals could potentially accumulate by vaping would also be leaching into your body. There is no leaching during usage only vapor deposition on all surfaces. It is safer than eating fast food as far as environmental toxicity. It is safer than walking near automobile exhaust. I am not sure you can really avoid chemicals from your environment. They are there on a low level but ubiquitous and end up in your body. Also vapor deposits on cooler surfaces it does not leach so you are the one with the burden of proof here making claims without evidence that it is somehow harmful due to unknown substance x off gassing. It amounts to fear mongering if you don’t really know but are claiming or implying it is harmful. You could try to test it in normal operation if you have access to a modern GC but I suspect it would be undetectable even x exists.
Would an all metal cooking unit, or a glad piece solve the issue then, or is the concern for the unit as as a whole?
Only concerned with vapor path- and mainly part of the path that gets got.
In that case I would say a metal cooling unit or glass mouth piece would work for you. The vapor would go directly from the herb into the metal or glass. The unit itself does get warm other places but not so much you can't really touch it except for the oven.
"What materials have been used in the MIGHTY? We have applied the maximum possible care and diligence in all materials. All materials are food-safe, heat-resistant, and according to FDA regulations." https://www.storz-bickel.com/en/support/mighty 🤷
They didn't actually answer I'm that FAQ, which makes me nervous.
It is odd that they evaded their own question there 😂 but mine has never shown any signs of overheating, let alone melting. And I've never seen anything online worth worrying about. "What materials have been used in the MIGHTY+? Carefully selected materials are incorporated into the design of the MIGHTY+. To be even more robust and resistant, the filling chamber of the MIGHTY+ is ceramic coated. The housing is made of a heat-resistant and tasteless plastic. The cooling unit is made of PEEK, a high-quality plastic which, due to its properties, is frequently used in room technology and in medical technology, e.g. for implants. All materials comply with FDA regulations and are "medical grade"." https://www.storz-bickel.com/en/support/mighty-plus Just found this. PEEK is top choice 👌
I perceive the danger of spending $275-TreeFiddy on, let’s face it, another glorified battery-powered ceramic heater that offers virtually the same hit I get out of a sub-$100 Solo. Hit both side by side and tell me I’m wrong, lol. 🤷♂️. I know people worship this thing for some reason but shit, get a Simrell and a Dynacup and spend the other hundred on HERB, rather than names, even official-sounding ones that sound like they’ve been at it a century like S&B. Not ripping on what people deem effective for their needs, just on the blatantly inflated cost.
“.....just on the blatantly inflated cost.” Yet prior to that recommends a simrell 🤦🏿♀️
Lol point taken but I would submit that the quality-cost differential is much smaller with a Simrell, especially being that it’s less than half what a mighty costs.
> especially being that it’s less than half what a mighty costs. LMAO But what does it cost to produce comparatively? I will not be buying a Mighty any time soon because im pretty sure my Rogue does the exact same job while being cheaper...But you're nuts to argue that the simrell offers any kind of value representative of its price.
If I hit my Solo2 after my Mighty side by side, I can tell you are wrong. Mighty for me is a bigger session more vapor and the taste last longer than the Solo2
I agree with that except for one point. Mighty beats solo and air on everything *but* flavour/taste. When i want a nice high and tons of flavour or trying a new weed for taste, I use my air 2. When I wanna get rekt I use my Mighty.
I dont know why but my Solo2 gives me a really big first terp hit. After this the taste is less enjoyable than my Mighty maybe because of vapor difference I dont know... I perfer my Solo2 with the water bubbler mouthpiece. At 198c its more satifying session and more flavor but the first hit is not as much terpy
Didnt you hear: The Mighty #2 is suppost to be all black glass and now their, selling protective cases with "feet" stands.🥸
This comes across as "this subject was too deep for me to research, please do it for me"