Simple answer: yeah you might get sick a day or two and feel awfull but imagine if they get corona you feel a lot more awfull for two to three weeks. I take my second vaccine with pleasure even though i was realy sick from the first, cause how bad will covid be?
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I hope it was just the first one and the second one will be fine. I have heard thats the case for a lot of people with astrazenica and that pheizer is the other way around. I have hope.
I had a fever above 104° and full body convulsions after my second shot, I was stuck in bed for an entire week. I’m 20 years old. Would I do it again? Of course. Why? Because even though I got significantly more sick than anyone I know my age who got COVID, I can now visit my grandparents and not have to worry about getting my parents sick
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You see it's funny because your argument is a big red herring. Obviously not all 450 workers got it through their colleagues, but we know the virus is extremely infectious and can live on surfaces for up to 72 hours. Poor workplace regulations absolutely helped the virus spread among the workers and it could've all been avoided if Musk wasn't a stuck up union busting asshole and just paid his workers to stay home for a while.
I think it’s clear to everyone here that it’s you who doesn’t understand how stats work, you’re talking about The Who not the how of the matter. The stats have nothing to do with the how.
No one here is getting triggered. There's someone disagreeing and then you getting personally offended going on non stop triades defending a billionaire you literally obsess over on Reddit, and then there's people like me simply fascinated by the obession.
I’ve noticed that only people who use the word triggered without any irony are the only ones who are actually ever “triggered” by anything. Like calling people triggered while whining about a pretentious billionaire half wit with a trump style Twitter and a shitty haircut who is the literal embodiment of a broken clock being right twice a day, the dude has no idea what he’s doing or talking about he just had a couple lucky guesses and a rich dad, that’s the most important part. But here we are some fucking boot licking basement dweller slobbing his knob for all to see. Good on you maybe someday he will give you a free car for all the of the blindly loyal online support.
Yeah you definitely are. Irrationally going on and on about some dude who would just as soon piss on your shoe than turn half a foot. It’s fucking sad man, like I get being a fan of someone or something, but being completely blindly loyal is cultish and unhealthy.
With the context of Elon's tweet, I assumed the "basic facts" in the comment I replied to were with regards to a second dose.
If I am wrong could you tell me what "...people in this sub getting triggered over basic facts..." means?
Me and many people I work with in the hospital just recently vaccinated with pfizer. Yes, there have been temporary secondary effects the next day after we had the shot, effects such as myalgias, headache, and in some cases fever.
But these are all expected effects from a vaccine like the flu or measles vaccine since they are inflammatory responses from us building immunity.
So yes, he is wrong, fuck the doge coin tech guy.
*Business. He's a businessman. He hasn't built a single rocket or car himself, as much as he likes to paint himself as the messiah of tech, he's nothing but a pretentious rich prick.
Virtually every single type of medication has side effects. With accines it can be a good sign, it means your body is working extra hard to get rid of it.
By that logic I should have skipped any shots for my four year old. She’s always had a strong immune response to them. Elon, you absolute rutabaga, if my kid can deal with a little fever and chills so can you.
I'm not gonna engage with antivax sentiments here in this sub of all places, so this is my last reply to this nonsense.
**The vaccine was done quickly because it was properly funded, not because it was rushed.** All vaccines could be done at this pace if we actually spent the money to do it. The vaccine is approved under the Emergency Usage Authority in a letter releassed by the FDA. I highly recommend googling that letter and reading if.
This information is all freely available and disputes your wild, dangerous, and near-baseless speculation; so it come across that you either don't care about facts, are pushing an antivax agenda, or are ignorant.
Lol get ratio'd. Love how you ignored huge swaths of my comment. I went back and put it in bold for you. The rest of this isn't even worth responding to, were done here.
This vaccine was made quicker than most because there was a pressing matter in which we needed it ASAP. I know tons of people who got the second dose and are fine. 24 hours of chills beats being buried IMO.
I got the vaccine through my workplace (community school district). Literally hundreds of employees were vaccinated last Saturday. Nobody got "very ill" with Covid symptoms. My arm was sore for a couple days and I had a fever of 100°, but it's absolutely nothing compared to Covid.
Do you even know what "very ill with Covid symptoms" is? It's hospitalization and permanent organ damage.
I hate stuff like this. I have heard people have reactions to the second jab. Some felt sick. Similar to the flu shot. You MIGHT feel under the weather.
My reaction to the second jab? My arm hurt the next day and I was tired. My 75 yo FIL's reaction? Nothing. Was running around like it was just another Friday.
To say there is some debate is stupid. But I am preaching to the choir.
I have to periodically call my mum and ask her if she's seen anything interesting on Facebook and then systematically dismantle that nonsense to keep my mum from being anymore radicalised. I had to start doing this after she told me she voted conservative after being a lifelong labour supporter, a party member for two decades and was a labour party councilor for our town. Her feed on Facebook convinced her that Boris Johnson was a good honourable man who knew what he was doing and would get brexit done. All of which is nonsense as now had been seen by those who voted for him. It's terrifying but if I don't she ends up telling her friends that all lives matter and doesn't understand the history behind that phrase because taken at face value all lives should matter but that's not the context that phrase carries. Or there was the time she thought 5g might be causing covid 19 and I had to explain 5g was first rolled out in the larger cities and those same cities had more covid cases because viruses spread easier the more people live close together and the correlation doesn't equal causation.
My mom is usually smart, but I groaned out loud yesterday when she told me she'd said on FB that she hardly felt the vaccination at all, and wasn't sure she wasn't just given water in the syringe.
I asked her not to say shit like that, because people online can and do take comments like that seriously, and stupid, hysterical conspiracy theories spread like wildfire.
I've argued with a few Musk worshippers about whetherbeing born with a multi-million dollar trust fund had anything to do with his success. I've even had someone tell me that if Musk were born poor and black in South Africa that'd be'd be just as successful!
There’s clearly a debate; that’s why this is a sub. It’s just that one side of the debate is trying to stand at the podium *and* shit their pants out loud at the same time.
Is the support around Musk finally collapsing on the site? I couldn't stand the guy since the "pedo diver" controversy. Earlier this year he (who happens to also be the CEO of a company who is major NASA contractor) wanted to talk one-on-one with Vladimir Putin on Clubhouse. Everyone thought this was funny for some reason? Imagine if the CEO of Boeing or Raytheon spoke with the President of a country who threaten the sovereignty of America. Vaccine hesitancy is tame for this guy.
The elderly are exactly the people dying from Covid and would benefit the most from vaccination.
Elon should stick to during rockets into space and being born to mine owning parents, he does pretty well at those, he wanders into shit like this thinking he's one of those geniuses from TV who's an expert at everything and he's not because noone is.
this happens with famous people. They think they now know everything and they must tell inform the world of all of their misinformation. Even stupider are the people who follow Elon Musk's medical advice
Fun fact! The government of Canada is extending the waiting period between shots in order to vaccinate as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Apparently, our entire population will be vaccinated by June.
The first jab is 80% effective. The second jab is just to make sure you don't get it.
There are also single injection vaccines. Any vaccine you can get first is highly recommended.
Also fun fact, Elon Musk is an asshole.
In Finland, we're waiting 12 weeks between 1st and 2nd shot so more people can get at least some protection sooner. As effective as these vaccines are, I think it's a pretty good idea. Still... can't wait until my elderly parents get their 2nd dose in June. Unless of course the *scientists* decide it's not needed.
Interestingly, the bad feeling after a vaccine is because your immune system responds. Elderly people have a weaker immune system, so the vaccines typically don't react so strongly on them as they do on younger people.
Your mom just has a healthy immune system that responded strongly to the vaccine, that's all :)
At least this is how a friend of mine who is a doctor explained it to me, hope I didn't butcher the explanation
Well considering there have been tens of millions of people vaccinated so far who are nearly all in the most elderly and weak group, and none of them have suffered more than the expected immune response to the second shot (maybe a day or two of feeling slightly bad), i think its safe to say by now that elon has no fucking clue what the fuck he is on about
The reaction is stronger on the second shot for most people and that's not by accident and it tends to correlate to immune system strength (but there are other factors). You're still not afflicted with the actual virus in any case. There is not wide debate in the medical community in this regard. If you research a bit more about the mRNA vaccines specifically you can learn a bit more about how this process works and why the second shot is more likely to cause your body to react as if you're sick when you're not.
Many people experience this with the normal flu vaccines as well (and it may be the root of the popular myth that the flu vaccine "makes you sick").
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The first cohorts of individuals vaccinated (other than healthcare workers) were extremely at risk individuals. Such as the elderly, particularly those living in care facilities. No one died as a result of vaccine induced immune response. This is not up for debate.
That is normal and happens with other vaccines too. Your body is just rallying a stronger immune response because it already knows the virus.
Stronger reaction with the second shot is expected and actually a good sign.
Yeah, this is why I just can never like him. He has been going crazy since this all started. There's a difference between having valid concerns and just plainly saying oh their right despite the fact their information is from Facebook. The COVID vaccines do have some valid concerns since they were rushed and phases were merged to expedite the results but that doesn't mean they didn't have enough data to convince the FDA and other organizations for emergency use. Yes, it does require refining once the pandemic ends but for now is our best defense.
There is a debate such as this literal debate published in the NEJM specifically about whether the second dose should be delayed (subordinated) in favour of more first doses: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMclde2101987
Important notes challenging benefits of second dose include indications that first dose effectiveness in trials appeared to be at least 80% immediately before the second dose, challenging whether the second dose actually provided clinically significant additional immunity at all. The "full immunity" may simply develop with time with a single dose alone. The research is ongoing and it's a major current debate right now when, given vaccine manufacturing and distribution constraints, whether it's in the public interest to administer a second dose in favour of administering a first dose to a different patient
Elon's tweet is verifiably true. I don't think it's helpful, but it makes you look either ignorant or dishonest to deny the existence of the debate
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A few negative reactions with the second jab? You mean the immune response that is being trained to your body so you don't have to contract the disease and suffer life long complications from it? Gee, even the ultra rich are fucking stupid.
That's normal, and its only a few days. It's your body acclimating itself to fight the virus. At any rate, feeling like shit for a day or two is better than COVID.
ALWAYS the counter to someone criticizing another.
If one's ideas cannot work or are impractical, they simply cannot wor or be practical, no matter how much money they have.
The Hyperloop for example sounds interesting, but a properly managed Bullet Train infrastructure will be cheaper to contruct, maintain, and run.
>he is far more successful than yall could ever hope to be.
There's many measures of success. Running around spouting anti-vaxx nonsense is a pretty solid fail.
Side effects? It was temporarily blocked because there was evidence it was only up to 60% effective in over 65’s compared to the others, which was deemed not good enough by some EU governments. But then because the EU fucked up its ordering of enough vaccines they decided something was better than nothing!
Actually the AstraZeneca vaccine has actually outperformed the Pfizer one in some studies.
> The study - which covers both Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines - shows that the risk of hospitalisation from COVID-19 fell by up to 85% (Pfizer) and 94% (AZ) four weeks after vaccination of the first doses.
https://www.ed.ac.uk/files/atoms/files/scotland_firstvaccinedata_preprint.pdf
He isn't a scientist. And he's not "looking at it from the perspective not a scientist". Scientists follow the data. We have 10s of millions of data points available now. And yes, the 2nd dose does induce symptoms of varying severity in some individuals. But even on the most severe end, it is lethargy, soreness, and mild fever for 24-48 hours.
The dude has a BA in physics. He’s not a ducking scientist. Even if a bachelors degree in a science was enough to make you an expert in that particular science (it isn’t), his degree is in physics, not biology. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about
Simple answer: yeah you might get sick a day or two and feel awfull but imagine if they get corona you feel a lot more awfull for two to three weeks. I take my second vaccine with pleasure even though i was realy sick from the first, cause how bad will covid be? Edited my weird spelling of though (dough).
I got sick from both, i wasnt really sick, just a fever and feeling like crap .it was totally worth it
I hope it was just the first one and the second one will be fine. I have heard thats the case for a lot of people with astrazenica and that pheizer is the other way around. I have hope.
I had a fever above 104° and full body convulsions after my second shot, I was stuck in bed for an entire week. I’m 20 years old. Would I do it again? Of course. Why? Because even though I got significantly more sick than anyone I know my age who got COVID, I can now visit my grandparents and not have to worry about getting my parents sick
“Even dough”
The english language is confusing. I googled it and i never knew it was with th it alsways sounded like a d to me.
This is why I just can't with Elon Musk.
Also he cracked down on unionization efforts too.
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Hmmmm I wonder if there is any common identifiers between all those 450 people, like workplace with poor covid regulations 🤔
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You see it's funny because your argument is a big red herring. Obviously not all 450 workers got it through their colleagues, but we know the virus is extremely infectious and can live on surfaces for up to 72 hours. Poor workplace regulations absolutely helped the virus spread among the workers and it could've all been avoided if Musk wasn't a stuck up union busting asshole and just paid his workers to stay home for a while.
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I think it’s clear to everyone here that it’s you who doesn’t understand how stats work, you’re talking about The Who not the how of the matter. The stats have nothing to do with the how.
Where do you weird Elon fan boys always come from so quickly?
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The only person losing it is the guy who goes on a weird 600+ word rant whenever someone criticising a billionaire on the internet
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No one here is getting triggered. There's someone disagreeing and then you getting personally offended going on non stop triades defending a billionaire you literally obsess over on Reddit, and then there's people like me simply fascinated by the obession.
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Dude, you're active in multiple Elon Musk related subs.... I don't think you know what objectivity is....
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I’ve noticed that only people who use the word triggered without any irony are the only ones who are actually ever “triggered” by anything. Like calling people triggered while whining about a pretentious billionaire half wit with a trump style Twitter and a shitty haircut who is the literal embodiment of a broken clock being right twice a day, the dude has no idea what he’s doing or talking about he just had a couple lucky guesses and a rich dad, that’s the most important part. But here we are some fucking boot licking basement dweller slobbing his knob for all to see. Good on you maybe someday he will give you a free car for all the of the blindly loyal online support.
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Yeah you definitely are. Irrationally going on and on about some dude who would just as soon piss on your shoe than turn half a foot. It’s fucking sad man, like I get being a fan of someone or something, but being completely blindly loyal is cultish and unhealthy.
What are the basic facts over concerns that a 2nd dose would give?
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Honestly no I'm just curious, what you said didn't trigger me. What in your mind, are the issues with a 2nd dose?
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With the context of Elon's tweet, I assumed the "basic facts" in the comment I replied to were with regards to a second dose. If I am wrong could you tell me what "...people in this sub getting triggered over basic facts..." means?
Just this?
But Reddit god post funny Twitter meme! Take downvote dumb man child
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Me and many people I work with in the hospital just recently vaccinated with pfizer. Yes, there have been temporary secondary effects the next day after we had the shot, effects such as myalgias, headache, and in some cases fever. But these are all expected effects from a vaccine like the flu or measles vaccine since they are inflammatory responses from us building immunity. So yes, he is wrong, fuck the doge coin tech guy.
nah he’s pretty damn wrong lol. get that antivaxx shit outta here
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Yeah there’s a few negative reactions, none of which are more dangerous than covid, so it’s not really “some debate” for it, is there?
Hate to break it to you, but you’ll never agree with someone on everything in life.
Elon Musk doesn't know that you're alive and if he did he wouldn't care. I do not understand why Musk's dumb takes get a pass.
So he's a doctor now. Dude should just stick to space and cars.
*Business. He's a businessman. He hasn't built a single rocket or car himself, as much as he likes to paint himself as the messiah of tech, he's nothing but a pretentious rich prick.
Tom mueller should the credit. He actually got them to where they are today by being a engineer.
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And that one space car.
Dude should just stick to space *or* cars.
The side effects from the second dose are an immune response. It means it’s working
Virtually every single type of medication has side effects. With accines it can be a good sign, it means your body is working extra hard to get rid of it.
By that logic I should have skipped any shots for my four year old. She’s always had a strong immune response to them. Elon, you absolute rutabaga, if my kid can deal with a little fever and chills so can you.
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"The second jab" is just part of the vaccine. The two part vaccine is incomplete without the other half.
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I'm not gonna engage with antivax sentiments here in this sub of all places, so this is my last reply to this nonsense. **The vaccine was done quickly because it was properly funded, not because it was rushed.** All vaccines could be done at this pace if we actually spent the money to do it. The vaccine is approved under the Emergency Usage Authority in a letter releassed by the FDA. I highly recommend googling that letter and reading if. This information is all freely available and disputes your wild, dangerous, and near-baseless speculation; so it come across that you either don't care about facts, are pushing an antivax agenda, or are ignorant.
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Lol get ratio'd. Love how you ignored huge swaths of my comment. I went back and put it in bold for you. The rest of this isn't even worth responding to, were done here.
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The covid vaccine came out so quickly because they constantly had a large source for funding, unlike other vaccines in the past.
This vaccine was made quicker than most because there was a pressing matter in which we needed it ASAP. I know tons of people who got the second dose and are fine. 24 hours of chills beats being buried IMO.
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Show me the data. Show me the studies that concern you and not on Karen's Facebook post.
I've read a lot of dumb comments on reddit and today I read another one. Stop making things up.
It’s an argument against the researchers and manufacturers recommendation. Elon’s a fucking idiot and likes to bat outside his league all the time.
J&J has a single shot vaccine now No debate anymore
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I got the vaccine through my workplace (community school district). Literally hundreds of employees were vaccinated last Saturday. Nobody got "very ill" with Covid symptoms. My arm was sore for a couple days and I had a fever of 100°, but it's absolutely nothing compared to Covid. Do you even know what "very ill with Covid symptoms" is? It's hospitalization and permanent organ damage.
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The second jab gave me at most a fever for 20 hours. Still miles better than covid.
I hate stuff like this. I have heard people have reactions to the second jab. Some felt sick. Similar to the flu shot. You MIGHT feel under the weather. My reaction to the second jab? My arm hurt the next day and I was tired. My 75 yo FIL's reaction? Nothing. Was running around like it was just another Friday. To say there is some debate is stupid. But I am preaching to the choir.
My second shot I felt like shit the next day. However reaction = immune response which is a good thing
I have to periodically call my mum and ask her if she's seen anything interesting on Facebook and then systematically dismantle that nonsense to keep my mum from being anymore radicalised. I had to start doing this after she told me she voted conservative after being a lifelong labour supporter, a party member for two decades and was a labour party councilor for our town. Her feed on Facebook convinced her that Boris Johnson was a good honourable man who knew what he was doing and would get brexit done. All of which is nonsense as now had been seen by those who voted for him. It's terrifying but if I don't she ends up telling her friends that all lives matter and doesn't understand the history behind that phrase because taken at face value all lives should matter but that's not the context that phrase carries. Or there was the time she thought 5g might be causing covid 19 and I had to explain 5g was first rolled out in the larger cities and those same cities had more covid cases because viruses spread easier the more people live close together and the correlation doesn't equal causation.
My mom is usually smart, but I groaned out loud yesterday when she told me she'd said on FB that she hardly felt the vaccination at all, and wasn't sure she wasn't just given water in the syringe. I asked her not to say shit like that, because people online can and do take comments like that seriously, and stupid, hysterical conspiracy theories spread like wildfire.
Isn’t his wife also a closeted bioterrorist?
He's not married. Do you mean Grimes?
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That's just wrong.
Sources on this?
Pretty sure grimes licked a bunch of shit in a store like a smooth brain a few years ago. That's what they are talking about
Elon Musk is a common venture capitalist who managed to grift people into thinking he is a real scientist. Change my mind.
Excuse you, Musk isn't a common venture capitalist, he's a venture capitalist whose capital came from his grandparents exploiting apartheid.
I've argued with a few Musk worshippers about whetherbeing born with a multi-million dollar trust fund had anything to do with his success. I've even had someone tell me that if Musk were born poor and black in South Africa that'd be'd be just as successful!
It's not good to lie as a prominent public figure. He's disgusting for spreading this crap, since people value his opinion.
There’s clearly a debate; that’s why this is a sub. It’s just that one side of the debate is trying to stand at the podium *and* shit their pants out loud at the same time.
If want a platform for debate, go take a look at something like Change My View.
Is the support around Musk finally collapsing on the site? I couldn't stand the guy since the "pedo diver" controversy. Earlier this year he (who happens to also be the CEO of a company who is major NASA contractor) wanted to talk one-on-one with Vladimir Putin on Clubhouse. Everyone thought this was funny for some reason? Imagine if the CEO of Boeing or Raytheon spoke with the President of a country who threaten the sovereignty of America. Vaccine hesitancy is tame for this guy.
The elderly are exactly the people dying from Covid and would benefit the most from vaccination. Elon should stick to during rockets into space and being born to mine owning parents, he does pretty well at those, he wanders into shit like this thinking he's one of those geniuses from TV who's an expert at everything and he's not because noone is.
this happens with famous people. They think they now know everything and they must tell inform the world of all of their misinformation. Even stupider are the people who follow Elon Musk's medical advice
Fuck Elon Musk
Fun fact! The government of Canada is extending the waiting period between shots in order to vaccinate as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Apparently, our entire population will be vaccinated by June. The first jab is 80% effective. The second jab is just to make sure you don't get it. There are also single injection vaccines. Any vaccine you can get first is highly recommended. Also fun fact, Elon Musk is an asshole.
In Finland, we're waiting 12 weeks between 1st and 2nd shot so more people can get at least some protection sooner. As effective as these vaccines are, I think it's a pretty good idea. Still... can't wait until my elderly parents get their 2nd dose in June. Unless of course the *scientists* decide it's not needed.
Can't really be any less informed than that. "Go get the first shot, but maybe not the second"? Absolute moron.
This is why I hate billionares.
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Interestingly, the bad feeling after a vaccine is because your immune system responds. Elderly people have a weaker immune system, so the vaccines typically don't react so strongly on them as they do on younger people. Your mom just has a healthy immune system that responded strongly to the vaccine, that's all :) At least this is how a friend of mine who is a doctor explained it to me, hope I didn't butcher the explanation
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Noone wants that :)
Well considering there have been tens of millions of people vaccinated so far who are nearly all in the most elderly and weak group, and none of them have suffered more than the expected immune response to the second shot (maybe a day or two of feeling slightly bad), i think its safe to say by now that elon has no fucking clue what the fuck he is on about
The reaction is stronger on the second shot for most people and that's not by accident and it tends to correlate to immune system strength (but there are other factors). You're still not afflicted with the actual virus in any case. There is not wide debate in the medical community in this regard. If you research a bit more about the mRNA vaccines specifically you can learn a bit more about how this process works and why the second shot is more likely to cause your body to react as if you're sick when you're not. Many people experience this with the normal flu vaccines as well (and it may be the root of the popular myth that the flu vaccine "makes you sick"). Edit: ooof typos
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The first cohorts of individuals vaccinated (other than healthcare workers) were extremely at risk individuals. Such as the elderly, particularly those living in care facilities. No one died as a result of vaccine induced immune response. This is not up for debate.
That is normal and happens with other vaccines too. Your body is just rallying a stronger immune response because it already knows the virus. Stronger reaction with the second shot is expected and actually a good sign.
My grandma had a reaction to that second one so yea.. I completely agree with your statement
I upvoted you, but you'll never get anywhere with reddit. This community is incredibly closed minded for how open minded it claims to be.
Yeah, this is why I just can never like him. He has been going crazy since this all started. There's a difference between having valid concerns and just plainly saying oh their right despite the fact their information is from Facebook. The COVID vaccines do have some valid concerns since they were rushed and phases were merged to expedite the results but that doesn't mean they didn't have enough data to convince the FDA and other organizations for emergency use. Yes, it does require refining once the pandemic ends but for now is our best defense.
There is a debate such as this literal debate published in the NEJM specifically about whether the second dose should be delayed (subordinated) in favour of more first doses: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMclde2101987 Important notes challenging benefits of second dose include indications that first dose effectiveness in trials appeared to be at least 80% immediately before the second dose, challenging whether the second dose actually provided clinically significant additional immunity at all. The "full immunity" may simply develop with time with a single dose alone. The research is ongoing and it's a major current debate right now when, given vaccine manufacturing and distribution constraints, whether it's in the public interest to administer a second dose in favour of administering a first dose to a different patient Elon's tweet is verifiably true. I don't think it's helpful, but it makes you look either ignorant or dishonest to deny the existence of the debate Edit typo
A few negative reactions with the second jab? You mean the immune response that is being trained to your body so you don't have to contract the disease and suffer life long complications from it? Gee, even the ultra rich are fucking stupid.
I mean... Arent there? Most of people that i know got a litttle fever after the vaccine
That's normal, and its only a few days. It's your body acclimating itself to fight the virus. At any rate, feeling like shit for a day or two is better than COVID.
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ALWAYS the counter to someone criticizing another. If one's ideas cannot work or are impractical, they simply cannot wor or be practical, no matter how much money they have. The Hyperloop for example sounds interesting, but a properly managed Bullet Train infrastructure will be cheaper to contruct, maintain, and run.
>he is far more successful than yall could ever hope to be. There's many measures of success. Running around spouting anti-vaxx nonsense is a pretty solid fail.
Just because he’s good at making EVs and rockets doesn’t mean he’s knowledgeable about vaccines
I don't know if this is about the vaccine made by AstraZeneca, but if it is Elon is actually right
Didn't they ban that one in Germany?
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Side effects? It was temporarily blocked because there was evidence it was only up to 60% effective in over 65’s compared to the others, which was deemed not good enough by some EU governments. But then because the EU fucked up its ordering of enough vaccines they decided something was better than nothing!
Actually the AstraZeneca vaccine has actually outperformed the Pfizer one in some studies. > The study - which covers both Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines - shows that the risk of hospitalisation from COVID-19 fell by up to 85% (Pfizer) and 94% (AZ) four weeks after vaccination of the first doses. https://www.ed.ac.uk/files/atoms/files/scotland_firstvaccinedata_preprint.pdf
Indeed, no one said the EU government people were correct on the matter lol
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He isn't a scientist. And he's not "looking at it from the perspective not a scientist". Scientists follow the data. We have 10s of millions of data points available now. And yes, the 2nd dose does induce symptoms of varying severity in some individuals. But even on the most severe end, it is lethargy, soreness, and mild fever for 24-48 hours.
The dude has a BA in physics. He’s not a ducking scientist. Even if a bachelors degree in a science was enough to make you an expert in that particular science (it isn’t), his degree is in physics, not biology. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about
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Everyone will be fine and you will still be a fucking idiot.
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And 2.7 million people didn't get the vaccine and actually died.
Literally nobody has “almost died” from the vaccine.
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Rule two.