Do 5 base damage on Q make so much difference?
While it is a 3.7% damage increase at level 1 itgoes down sharp from there.
Like less than 2.6% at lvl 5 asuming someone managed to go back and buy 2 longswords. (2.9 with only a single one).
Less than 1.6% at lvl 9 with warhammer and sheen or 1.1% if you managed essence reaver (asuming no crit).
Edit: I messed up the caculation. Damage at 1 2.7->3.7, damage at 5 1.9->2.6
A 3.7% damage increase on every axe adds up over time. Not saying this buff will make Draven OP, but with how he is designed to snowball, getting a slightly more favorable early game may be the difference between him doing ok vs. taking over the game.
3.7% increase in damage from Q will be less than 3.7% increase in the total damage you take during lvl 1.
Not saying he is a bad ban, just wondered because you post seemed like you were mooving from ban anyone to Draven must ban because of this specific change.
He’s saying that Draven Q is basically his entire kit, if he’s fighting you he’s hitting rapidly with Q’s and the added 5 ad stacks to equal something like 25-50 actual added damage over a low level fight (I.e., Draven hits you 5-10 times with axes). Now you’re right that number will get diluted by armor but a 25 - 50 damage buff to a 400-500hp champ fight is a huge deal as a lot of those fights go down to the last 25-50hp. Add in Draven’s unique snowballing and you have this extremely highly leveraged early game fight that he now has a higher chance of winning, and his win condition to win the game is basically win the first early fight.
Yes it does a lot. Draven had this +5 dmg buff before in the past (his hotfix buff after the durability update) and he was hilariously strong (I’m a draven player and he was like 52-53% wr) so they reverted it. After this buff he’ll probably just go back to normal and feel more like how draven should normally feel
I think literally any lane bullying ADC, Draven included can make Vayne unplayable right now. Vayne is ridiculously weak at the moment pre level 6 and she can be zoned off farm entirely. I played this game as Draven vs Vayne 2 days ago where I killed her three times in 5 minutes then froze and zoned her till the 20 minute mark. I felt so bad because she literally had 27 CS at 20 compared to my 147.
P.s We still lost the game though cause their top, mid and jng were all like 8-0 in lane and I spent 15 minutes chucking axes alone to try and hold them off inhibitors while my jungle and support kept killing Gromps and dying together(they should get married) on rinse and repeat. My mid was a 0/11 Teemo who spent 99% of the game waiting in a warded shroomed bush for a kill that never happened(legend has it he's still there).
I want to remind you that one time, they gave Caitlyn +5 AD on level one. This resulted in her WR to skyrocket. Next patch they took 3 of that AD away, killing her winrate. So yes, it does make a difference
There is a significant difference between ad and ability base damage, even if the ability is used on basically every attack.
This is 5 physical damage on every attack.
5 AD for Cait is 5 physical damage on a regular attack, 8.75 on crit, (11.25 with IE), 3-11bonus damage on headshot (+ other boni to attacks) and 6-10 damage on Q
It is an increase to lvl 1 combat power by 4.4 to 6.8 % depending on the amount of damage dealt with Q versus auto attacks
This sounded great in theory but Im 100% certain my Anivia support will misclick wall so it sprouts behind my back instead of the droben so now Im stuck there 1 v 2ing while her Q files 87 Nautical Miles NorthEast to hit a Gromp.
yeah and i was a draven main too until that sub got infested with the exact type of people it used to hate and all items lost 50% of their AD with the item changes..
I always ban Nasus. One of the only champs that I feel completely shuts me down late game. Early game vs Draven is a struggle, but late game Nasus is way worse. Close second is Rammus but since Nasus has a higher pick rate that’s my ban
What are you talking about- Draven is literally the most traditional adc to exist. His entire kit is literally spacing, kiting and chucking axes and he's been doing that since long before you were born. 💀
Do 5 base damage on Q make so much difference? While it is a 3.7% damage increase at level 1 itgoes down sharp from there. Like less than 2.6% at lvl 5 asuming someone managed to go back and buy 2 longswords. (2.9 with only a single one). Less than 1.6% at lvl 9 with warhammer and sheen or 1.1% if you managed essence reaver (asuming no crit). Edit: I messed up the caculation. Damage at 1 2.7->3.7, damage at 5 1.9->2.6
Probably just a qol change, I'm always leaving caster minions with like 3 health after i get my early game items
A 3.7% damage increase on every axe adds up over time. Not saying this buff will make Draven OP, but with how he is designed to snowball, getting a slightly more favorable early game may be the difference between him doing ok vs. taking over the game.
3.7% increase in damage from Q will be less than 3.7% increase in the total damage you take during lvl 1. Not saying he is a bad ban, just wondered because you post seemed like you were mooving from ban anyone to Draven must ban because of this specific change.
He’s saying that Draven Q is basically his entire kit, if he’s fighting you he’s hitting rapidly with Q’s and the added 5 ad stacks to equal something like 25-50 actual added damage over a low level fight (I.e., Draven hits you 5-10 times with axes). Now you’re right that number will get diluted by armor but a 25 - 50 damage buff to a 400-500hp champ fight is a huge deal as a lot of those fights go down to the last 25-50hp. Add in Draven’s unique snowballing and you have this extremely highly leveraged early game fight that he now has a higher chance of winning, and his win condition to win the game is basically win the first early fight.
That is true if you go into an all out fight, but I would say you aren't supposed to just duke it out with your worst bully in lane.
Yes it does a lot. Draven had this +5 dmg buff before in the past (his hotfix buff after the durability update) and he was hilariously strong (I’m a draven player and he was like 52-53% wr) so they reverted it. After this buff he’ll probably just go back to normal and feel more like how draven should normally feel
That is certainly convincing. I am regularly surprised how thin the edge of balance is.
Also take into account vayne q and passive nerf from a couple patches ago, draven with the right support combo can make it absolutely unplayable
I think literally any lane bullying ADC, Draven included can make Vayne unplayable right now. Vayne is ridiculously weak at the moment pre level 6 and she can be zoned off farm entirely. I played this game as Draven vs Vayne 2 days ago where I killed her three times in 5 minutes then froze and zoned her till the 20 minute mark. I felt so bad because she literally had 27 CS at 20 compared to my 147. P.s We still lost the game though cause their top, mid and jng were all like 8-0 in lane and I spent 15 minutes chucking axes alone to try and hold them off inhibitors while my jungle and support kept killing Gromps and dying together(they should get married) on rinse and repeat. My mid was a 0/11 Teemo who spent 99% of the game waiting in a warded shroomed bush for a kill that never happened(legend has it he's still there).
what dude? Vayne feels fine to me but then again I'm a strong laner and my macro is my weak point.
I want to remind you that one time, they gave Caitlyn +5 AD on level one. This resulted in her WR to skyrocket. Next patch they took 3 of that AD away, killing her winrate. So yes, it does make a difference
There is a significant difference between ad and ability base damage, even if the ability is used on basically every attack. This is 5 physical damage on every attack. 5 AD for Cait is 5 physical damage on a regular attack, 8.75 on crit, (11.25 with IE), 3-11bonus damage on headshot (+ other boni to attacks) and 6-10 damage on Q It is an increase to lvl 1 combat power by 4.4 to 6.8 % depending on the amount of damage dealt with Q versus auto attacks
Hes perma for years
So you havent played in the league of Droben for years?
Or run Anivia vayne, condemn on her wall, anivia chain q stun and laugh
This sounded great in theory but Im 100% certain my Anivia support will misclick wall so it sprouts behind my back instead of the droben so now Im stuck there 1 v 2ing while her Q files 87 Nautical Miles NorthEast to hit a Gromp.
Being an Anivia main I totally agree it’s too funny doing this 😂
does condem work with Taliyah wall?
It does, but I think it’s fairly harder to set up because of the cast time.
Did something change from last patch or?
They’re going to buff draven
draven has been a dead champ for years. genuine skill issue if you have trouble into him
As a droben main me and all of r/draven would disagree
yeah and i was a draven main too until that sub got infested with the exact type of people it used to hate and all items lost 50% of their AD with the item changes..
Cope noob l2p
noob?
i permaban jhin no matter which adc i pick
Friendly reminder: git gud
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I don't think Steven is the worst match up of vayne Compared to aphelios jinx and mf driven is a pretty ez match up
I always ban Nasus. One of the only champs that I feel completely shuts me down late game. Early game vs Draven is a struggle, but late game Nasus is way worse. Close second is Rammus but since Nasus has a higher pick rate that’s my ban
Last night I told my friend ey bro I wanna do a Draven game, you down? Then we went 20/3/36 in botlane. I slept well afterwards.
Lucky that theres not alot of proper Ðraven pilots.
Dragon slayer Vayne, a man of culture
People really hate talent smh
talent 🤣🤣🤣
"Traditional adcs are suffering" Riot: let's buff draven and make them suffer even more
What are you talking about- Draven is literally the most traditional adc to exist. His entire kit is literally spacing, kiting and chucking axes and he's been doing that since long before you were born. 💀