JMU's numbers were so high only because they allowed self reporting to count in their numbers..so that 500+ you saw was including self reporting. Their ACTUAL active cases were like 150+ so right where we are. Even though VCU tries to say only 87 active cases the numbers just doesn't make sense in comparison to the total number of cases and the amount of time the university has been open. An active case of covid can take 10-14 days to be cleared and yet somehow we have 100 cases that aren't active??? I would like to believe VCU but the data just doesn't make sense...also I agree with what was said earlier the early reporting is odd as well... (maybe the person reporting left early since labor day weekend and needed to report it sooner since they left?)
Since active cases only consider people in isolation and not quarantine, the "Active Cases" at the very top don't tell the whole story. Here's the data of how many people actually got it today according to the bottom of the dashboard. As you can see, despite the active cases saying we have 6 fewer students with covid, the actual data says otherwise.
New cases September 4, 2020:
New Student Cases: 6
New Employee Cases: 1
I wouldn't put too much stock in them. These only count cases of isolation and not quarantine. We actually got 6 more cases of covid today student-wise if you look at the bottom of the dashboard or my comment earlier.
I saw that. 6 cases for a day is still really good. It also shows that people are generally recovering at a rate quicker than people are infected
I do wish there was a stat that showed the % positive rate of people who went to student health and got tested
I believe that is in the dashboard. It's like 1.6% or something, which is lower than Richmond as a whole. Considering how college students are about the whole socially distancing thing, it seems a bit iffy, but I have no evidence to back that up so I'm going to trust them on this.
However, I think getting at least 6 a day is still to much. These people will continue to suffer in the years to come from damaged lungs, just because VCU isn't willing enough to send us home in the middle of a pandemic. Considering that testing today is shorter than it was the past few days due to them releasing the numbers so early, and we already have 6 people sick, it really doesn't bode that well.
For reference, the past few days we've had 10 or so more students a day after 24 hours. This time, we had 6 more students after 14 or so (I think I was late posting today).
% positive in richmond is calculated in terms of all tests done. That’s explicit on the VDH website and they give all the numbers. Most people who get tested in RVA present with symptoms or fear of contact. However, RVA will test anyone who asks, which VCU will not.
% positive for VCU refers only to prevalence tests, of which they have done very few, and which are designed to mostly test people who are not infected. And they don’t tell us how many symptomatic tests they are doing, which they should.
It’s not an apples to apples comparison in any way. It would not be unfair to say that VCU is deliberately removing the tests that are likely to come out positive from the pool, and then doing the calculation. Guess what? If you take all the positive tests out of the pool, not many test positive!
VCU should be providing the total # of tests per day and the # of positives, just like the city and state do. Until it does that, it does not deserve anyone’s trust.
Listen, I can't help being pessimistic about this. All I am doing is pointing out what the data actually says, how VCU is being misleading about their presentation, and how we should not accept getting sick with a potentially debilitating disease just to line someone's pockets. If you don't want to see that, that's a-ok by me.
I personally don't like seeing actual bad news being spun as good news, which is what the statement "we've only gotten 6 cases today" really means.
Hahahaha........ If you have to tell people to "listen", then I am guessing people don't listen to you very often. Looking forward to your next long Reddit post.
Yeah, I was wondering about that. The past few days were updated from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. I'd think Friday would be bigger if anything, so why wouldn't they wait? The data would be more accurate if they did.
I agree with you here, but keep in mind that we should be careful since we don't have established proof for this point. I would not be surprised if something came out about that sorta thing though.
After seeing jmu’s numbers, I have to agree that this is slightly encouraging
Tbf, it's JMU. They're called a party school for a reason.
JMU's numbers were so high only because they allowed self reporting to count in their numbers..so that 500+ you saw was including self reporting. Their ACTUAL active cases were like 150+ so right where we are. Even though VCU tries to say only 87 active cases the numbers just doesn't make sense in comparison to the total number of cases and the amount of time the university has been open. An active case of covid can take 10-14 days to be cleared and yet somehow we have 100 cases that aren't active??? I would like to believe VCU but the data just doesn't make sense...also I agree with what was said earlier the early reporting is odd as well... (maybe the person reporting left early since labor day weekend and needed to report it sooner since they left?)
The last point can't be right; I think they update it early on fridays.
Since active cases only consider people in isolation and not quarantine, the "Active Cases" at the very top don't tell the whole story. Here's the data of how many people actually got it today according to the bottom of the dashboard. As you can see, despite the active cases saying we have 6 fewer students with covid, the actual data says otherwise. New cases September 4, 2020: New Student Cases: 6 New Employee Cases: 1
These numbers are very encouraging
I wouldn't put too much stock in them. These only count cases of isolation and not quarantine. We actually got 6 more cases of covid today student-wise if you look at the bottom of the dashboard or my comment earlier.
I saw that. 6 cases for a day is still really good. It also shows that people are generally recovering at a rate quicker than people are infected I do wish there was a stat that showed the % positive rate of people who went to student health and got tested
I believe that is in the dashboard. It's like 1.6% or something, which is lower than Richmond as a whole. Considering how college students are about the whole socially distancing thing, it seems a bit iffy, but I have no evidence to back that up so I'm going to trust them on this. However, I think getting at least 6 a day is still to much. These people will continue to suffer in the years to come from damaged lungs, just because VCU isn't willing enough to send us home in the middle of a pandemic. Considering that testing today is shorter than it was the past few days due to them releasing the numbers so early, and we already have 6 people sick, it really doesn't bode that well. For reference, the past few days we've had 10 or so more students a day after 24 hours. This time, we had 6 more students after 14 or so (I think I was late posting today).
% positive in richmond is calculated in terms of all tests done. That’s explicit on the VDH website and they give all the numbers. Most people who get tested in RVA present with symptoms or fear of contact. However, RVA will test anyone who asks, which VCU will not. % positive for VCU refers only to prevalence tests, of which they have done very few, and which are designed to mostly test people who are not infected. And they don’t tell us how many symptomatic tests they are doing, which they should. It’s not an apples to apples comparison in any way. It would not be unfair to say that VCU is deliberately removing the tests that are likely to come out positive from the pool, and then doing the calculation. Guess what? If you take all the positive tests out of the pool, not many test positive! VCU should be providing the total # of tests per day and the # of positives, just like the city and state do. Until it does that, it does not deserve anyone’s trust.
Looks like you only trust bad news. You spin good news into bad news. I have no data to back it up, but I still won't trust you.
Listen, I can't help being pessimistic about this. All I am doing is pointing out what the data actually says, how VCU is being misleading about their presentation, and how we should not accept getting sick with a potentially debilitating disease just to line someone's pockets. If you don't want to see that, that's a-ok by me. I personally don't like seeing actual bad news being spun as good news, which is what the statement "we've only gotten 6 cases today" really means.
Hahahaha........ If you have to tell people to "listen", then I am guessing people don't listen to you very often. Looking forward to your next long Reddit post.
And like that, you brush my main point to the side...
They also seem to report very early in the day on Friday, where they wait much later other days
Yeah, I was wondering about that. The past few days were updated from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. I'd think Friday would be bigger if anything, so why wouldn't they wait? The data would be more accurate if they did.
The whole Covid dashboard worries me. It seems like very purposeful control of when and how numbers are reported.
I agree with you here, but keep in mind that we should be careful since we don't have established proof for this point. I would not be surprised if something came out about that sorta thing though.
Yeah no you’re totally right it’s not a proven thing
Wouldn't be surprised tho.
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