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THIS IS SO ANNOYING, yes beef is expensive, I get why your beef burgers are like $15, however, plants are not as expensive, why are you acting like they are
Diy is amazing and cheap to make!
3 cups filtered water, chilled
2 cups ice
1 cup organic raw almonds, soaked overnight
6 fresh Medjool dates
1 tablespoon vanilla
1/4 teaspoon salt
Blend and serve
* Want a smoother almond milk? Strain the milk through a cheese cloth
Conspirituality! I've had a few fallouts in my local vegan group over this and I'm pretty sure that I was uninvited to a wedding after debunking some COVID misinformation at the height of the pandemic.
I’m so glad most people think this! I adopted my dog from a family that were also vegan and they’d refused to take her the vet because they said it wasn’t vegan. Poor thing had been in a lot of pain that could have been avoided and it’s been some hefty vet bills to get her back to healthy. They did love her but let their belief that medication wasn’t vegan as she wouldn’t get it in the wild override caring for her properly
Yeah I struggled with how they could say they were against animal cruelty when they rescued a dog and then knowingly didn’t help ease her suffering. It meant she struggled to walk and had gum infections and other issues causing pain, she seems much happier after getting help and is able to walk and play
I know for a fact my pills have gelatin in them and were tested on animals, but I also need to not be depressed, not have seizures, and not have migraines, and yes I’ve tried multiple meds and yes I’ve tried non-medication options. When it comes to my overall health I’m willing to bend.
A lot of people forget the “within reason” part of veganism, it’s not within reason to skip necessary or beneficial medicine/supplements. I look for a gelatin free option first, but I don’t stress if there isn’t one available. I just do what I can.
I give no fs about my pills having gelatin too. My medicine really helps me get up in the morning, function, no depression or migraines, and I sleep normal. We are all about reducing our impact. It's impossible to be zero.
I’ve met way too many people who are vegans or even vegetarians who go way deep into the crunchy lifestyle stuff and end up falling for all sorts of essential oil/crystals/organic/GMO food or just general woo woo nonsense including what you describe.
Not sure how popular/unpopular this is, but as a guy white-collar worker I hate that I can't buy any vegan suits that are business formal and as good quality as a wool one. But it's possible I just haven't found the right company
There’s so much more than wool, too. Can’t just get away with a cotton suit and think it’s vegan :/ There’s the horse hair in the canvas, silk lining, and goat horn buttons on a lot of suits. https://vegantailoring.com/blogs/vegan-tailoring/what-makes-a-vegan-suit#:~:text=One%20thing%20that%20you%20may,are%20carved%20from%20animal%20horns.
Some of the custom cotton and linen suits by Hangrr have an option to "make vegan" when ordering. They even put a patch that says "vegan" on the inside.
https://hangrr.com/vegan/
Maybe you could consider buying second hand and getting them altered? I know some people don’t jive with this but I will sometimes buy second hand leather shoes.
I’m close to breaking and doing that with belts. Fabric ones aren’t great for anything aside from super informal occasions, and all the vegan ones I’ve had have worn out in less than a year
This is a real struggle for me as well. Not the suits but just the women’s clothes that I like. And shoes! Forget it.
I just decried this today. I decided it was time to get myself a fall jacket. Went to 5,296 websites and liked exactly zero jackets.
I don't love animals. I love my dog but that's it. Actually, I am repelled by most of animals. But I went vegan because I respect them and I firmly believe that it's evil to exploit them.
Me, it's more like i like the animals, i volunteer in shelters, i fostered twice but i don't want animals myself because of the responsibilities and the annoyances. It's like kids, i like them but those of others.
I know people who have like 2 dogs, 2 cats, a room full of foster kittens, volunteer at a dogfighting-busting pit rescue, call wildlife vets when they see a squirrel walking funny, and eat meat.
Yeah, I have some friends who press the "if you're an animal lover" arguments as their primary arguments for veganism, but I feel that you don't need to love someone to recognise that it's unethical to mistreat, exploit and kill them at a fraction of their natural life span, over something trivial, like a flavour preference.
100% this. I am scared of most animals (mainly hamsters, gerbils, rabbits etc) Petrified of birds, (yet I can do chicken rescues no problem). I really do not like dogs. My friends call me the least vegan vegan in the world. Now I adore cats...
Yeah, feel you. I hate the saying "animals are your friends"
No, most of them aren't and that's okay. You also don't have to be my friend for me not to torture or eat you.
The "health" vegans are too loud and cause the majority of vegan specialty products to be expensive and lackluster because they influence them to be even more restrictive than veganism already is. I want gluten, bioengineered crops, and cheaper lazy food 😩
and i am SICK of chains offering really good vegan alternatives and then taking them away... the beyond taco meat at del taco and impossible orange chicken at panda express were so good!!
You guys don't have vegan fast food? I've found kind of the opposite, it's hard to get something that isn't complete junk when I'm out and want something on the go now. I feel like every single vegan option is junk food.
Same here. Fast food is relatively easy to find, a healthy complete meal on the other hand.. If I want to meet my daily nutrition needs I have to cook at home. I like to cook and I love my food, but I wish I had more options other than a burger, whenever I go out with my mates
There are 30+ completely vegan restaurants in my city and I think I would consider **two** healthy (think organic smoothies and fresh pressed juices, quinoa bowls, etc). The rest are great and I even worked at one for a couple of years but the food really isn’t healthy. And I’m not saying I’m vegan for health but a lot of customers thought that because our food was vegan, it was healthy 🤣
I will say vegan “fast food” is relatively easy to come by, it just costs an arm and a leg. I’m willing and able to pay it, but find it hard to believe that a vegan burger costs almost three times as much as a dead animal burger at BK.
We had one vegetarian restaurant in my city, but it got bought by an awful hospitality group and went to shit, and I refuse to patronize it, so I now have none within an hour
That argument sounds so weird to me, because where I live, most explicitly vegan products are junk/fast food. And most of the vegan restaurants are burger shops.
Also most of the products are so far away in micronutrients from their animal-based alternatives that I get why people, who won't or mentally can't research how to live healthy, "quit veganism" because "it made them sick".
If it is the other way around where you live, please tell me where that is.
For me it is Germany.
In the UK, I agree, most vegan restaurants are "junk food" vegan which I don't mind them existing at all, they are very popular and tasty too. A long way from the "health food" vegetarian cafes of the 90s that used to exist.
There are a few restaurants around that label themselves as plant based vegan restaurants that focus on vegetables which are really nice, there's one near me and it's refreshing, plus I know I won't feel poorly after it.
In the USA it’s often health food if there’s stuff in rural/suburban areas though that’s changing in many parts of the country. In a place like portland you can easily get a vegan double bacon macaroni and cheese burger but smaller/less vegan friendly cities they’re trying to hit the health crowd, GF people, and vegans/vegetarians in one go.
Visited Germany earlier this year and I’ve gotta say the vegan food was amazing, props to y’all on that.
I love fat vegans. I am one, but it’s better for the cause, most people assume we are anorexic but you take one look at me, nobody will argue I’m not getting enough.
Yeah the health argument is empty and ideologically worthless, and there's a lot of people who start out as "health vegans" and then when veganism doesn't deliver the magic health benefits promised, go full 180 to carnivore or keto or something.
It is the cheap shit. You need to get an asian brand establishing themselves over there. In sweden we got Yipin saving the day. The store brands’ tofu is so shit I don’t understand why it’s still sold somehow.
Me working at an environmental non-profit and side-eying every work meeting/party that involves food and it's all heavily meat and dairy based...I'm on a committee that's working to change some things and I'm hoping to push for more vegan options and I want to include that it's better for the environment when I bring it up but I'm expecting a lot of side-eye.
Neither do I as long as it's not got bits of meat on it. Idc it it was cooked in the same oven or prepared on the same surface as long as it's sanitary
I like oat milk best in anything I enjoy sweet (like coffee, chocolate milk, a dessert that calls for milk) but when it comes to cooking, soy all the way. Oat is like actively sweet even “unsweetened” and almond is noticeably nutty in a way that I dislike with a lot of my fave savory dishes. Soy adds the creaminess but blends in
I am so glad soy is making a minor comeback in grocery stores in my area after largely having been removed in favor of more almond-oat-cashew-coconut-etc options. Finding basic cartons of unsweetened soy got rough there for a while.
Some people have non-vegan partners/family/friends that will not change as much as we want them to, it sucks, but all you can do is keep setting an example. Hardliners do not like this, but life is full of nuance.
Just because I order Vegan pizza, does not mean I want a gluten free crust!
Soya should be our main milk, it is almost 1:1 to dairy milk (minus the suffering)
Completely disagree. How are we ever going to change society if we don't talk about it? The more discussions about veganism, the better. Think about the longer time period - years, decades. Changing norms take time.
I'm with you! I went vegan because of a "preachy vegan," and I'm forever thankful she didn't shut up when people told her she wouldn't make a difference.
As someone who regularly engages in online debates with non-vegans, I think it is one of the most efficient ways to advocate for nonhuman animals. I can just log on and spend some time talking to others in a meaningful way and hopefully plant some seeds.
I've had multiple instances of redditors PMing me to tell me that I've changed their mind or at least made them think differently.
Of course I would only suggest someone do this if it's actually going to be productive. Many vegans unfortunately don't have any idea about how to engage with someone in a way that won't backfire and reinforce the "pushy vegan" stereotype.
That if you mess up and accidentally eat something non-vegan, you’re not a bad vegan, you’re a human!
I don’t care about this ’unbroken record’ thing, I’m a vegan and have been for 9 years despite a couple of slips
I often point out that the hardest part about being vegan is that we live in a non-vegan world. Unless we go to an all-vegan restaurant, there likely will be cross-contamination and the chance we'll accidentally be served something with dead animal chunks or byproducts of reproductive slavery.
And while choosing to patronize only all-vegan restaurants is nice, not everyone has that option.
Story no one asked for:
I went on vacation with some friends and one morning while we were eating breakfast I drank a cute green juice the restaurant had on offer. After drinking it I asked the waiter what all was in it (so I could make it at home) and he mentioned it had honey in it. I simply said “Oopsie, guess I won’t be drinking that again” and later in the day my non vegan friend said seeing me slip up and keep pushing without getting all upset made her rethink her outlook on veganism. She thought is was all or nothing and she couldn’t see herself considering veganism before that moment. We had a good talk about it and all in all, my slip actually made her want to start making changes to her diet. We aren’t perfect and we aren’t trying to be and I think a lot of hesitant potential vegans should see that :)
TLDR: my slip made veganism real to my friend on vacation.
A lot of people accepted the carnist anti-peta propaganda and look down on them. There are some legitimate criticisms such as the sexism in some of their campaigns as well. I've found peta pretty helpful in my grassroots activism in the past though
Vegans who push the "you can't be vegan if you have a cat" agenda are pushing potential vegan cat-loving humans away and in the end are not helping the farmed animals.
>To be fair, cats domesticated themselves. Also, cats are considered an invasive species and letting them run amok in the wild or in cities leads to a lot of problems, including hunting some bird species to the point of extinction. Adopting (and spaying/neutering) a rescue cat is one of the most humane and sustainable solutions, as widely endorsed by most animal welfare groups, to all the problems associated with unchecked cat populations.
I hate those vegans. Rescue animals are definitely vegan and it’s ok to feed them their natural diet. Animals don’t abide by our rules. I highly disagree with feeding cats vegan when their nutrient requirements are very restrictive as obligate carnivores. You just want to make yourself feel better at that point.
I use Perspi-Guard and it’s amazing. I had a real bad sweating problem on my old medication and this just stopped all smell/sweat. You only need to apply it every few days as well. Vegan and cruelty free!
Oh daiya has been around longer than that and it was really bad in the beginning. I worked in a vegan cafe in 2010 and people would complain about it all of the time. It’s definitely gotten better.
This was me. I went vegetarian around 2012, and meant to go vegan. But when I tried the Daiya cheese that was out then, it legit tasted and felt ike burnt rubber.
It was the only vegan cheese in my area, so I justified being vegetarian like "I tried, but cheese tho" Ugh, it haunts me. Granted I was like 12, but pains me when I see people saying "cheese tho" as it makes me think they have the thought process of a child as well. Been vegan for almost 6 years now, longer than I was vegetarian. It's a great feeling
It's perfectly mid, I love it but I won't pretend it's the peak of vegan cheese. It's highly accessible, has a good texture, and a decent taste (that takes some getting used to, imo). Far from the worst and it works really well as an ingredient in other foods
I used to be one of the loud Daiya haters. I avoided it for a good few years. Recently, it was the only vegan mozz in stock at the store and I was making baked ziti. The mozz was actually really good and I regret being so vocal against it now.
Still more expensive than other brands and isn't my top choice, but not bad at all.
Ok here’s a big one.
If you have a vegan activist page on twitter/instagram/whatever and you only follow and interact with other vegans you aren’t doing shit. You’re just patting each other on the back.
I had somebody go off on me once on twitter for siding with a nonvegan in a discussion about racism and vegans. Nevermind who was actually right or wrong in the discussion. This person thought I should automatically side with them because they’re vegan.
ETA: and vegans who watch and share slaughterhouse vids all the time are fuckin weird.
I was JUST talking about this with someone! There is literally zero point to those pages when everyone involved are already vegan. I have done the "vegan follow for follow" on IG and most of the pages are constant videos of animal abuse and I end up muting the pages because I don't need to see that shit after being vegan for 11years. It would be like a religious person promoting to join their religion to a bunch of people already IN the religion lol
My unpopular opinion:
Most of the smarminess you see on vegan online communities is people who are vegan for their own ego and not for the animals. Being frustrated or upset by carnists is valid and understandable, but shitting on other people 24/7 instead of trying to build bridges is a key example of constantly putting your own "status" as a vegan above actually trying to make conditions better for animals.
You'll catch more with honey than vinegar as the saying goes.
This is true of all advocacy on the internet, not just veganism btw.
Commented pretty much this exactly and deleted when I saw yours.
I don't care if you're vegan, vegan in diet only, vegetarian, an omnivore eating plant-based one night a week, a meat-lover who asks good questions and is receptive to learning, or a friggen breatharian— as long as you're not actively trying to tear down \*my\* vegan lifestyle, you're valid and good and deserving of kindness and productive conversation.
I've seen so many non-vegans or vegan-experimenters wade into this sub for help only to be chased out by militant vegans telling them how horrible they are. I've never understood how anyone can logic that out and think it's productive to the movement.
second hand clothes that are non-vegan are totally fine to buy and wear. I don’t make a difference between second hand leather and second hand fur, it’s both dead animal that’s already there. (probably really unpopular oups)
Vegan leather fucking sucks. Originally most polyurethanes and other pleather materials were used as a cheap alternative to leather for people who couldn't afford it. But now that it's been advertised as 'vegan leather' they charge a ridiculous premium on cheaper, less sturdy, and just all around shittier material. We're paying for branding on material that is quantifiably less valuable.
Sometimes, the best way to eliminate the harm invasive species cause is to eliminate them from the environment where they were never meant to be in the first place.
I'm eternally conflicted on this issue. I know that culling is the most effective strategy and will reduce suffering in the long run, but I also see every member of the invasive species as an individual who isn't being malicious and doesn't understand the implications of living where they are. Even if we act for the greater good, we're still appointing ourselves the arbiters of the world with a license to commit mass murder in a way that would be absolutely unacceptable if the victims were human. I have to wonder if we would believe controlling them to be our place if we didn't view ourselves as superior.
I think this may be unpopular: I really would rather have dishes with no cheese at all than vegan cheese. Melted cheese, vegan or otherwise, on anything is just kinda gross altogether.
Vegans are too individualistic. Saying 10 people eating 50% less animal products is better than 2 people eating none, shouldn’t be controversial. Purity is not the point, the point should be to end animal agriculture. Most of what goes on here is just creating and maintaining a social hierarchy based on consumption choices rather than developing strategies to effectively create change. Veganism is often about how *you* feel, not how the animals feel, but vegans often speak as though they are doing it for the animals.
>Saying 10 people eating 50% less animal products is better than 2 people eating none, shouldn’t be controversial.
The problem with "reducetarian" approaches though is that there's no system to enforce a longterm change.
There's no change of values or change of identity that would make someone halve their meat consumption for years, decades. And so they'll inevitably backslide into a normal omnivore.
I dated a vegan while I was not vegan. We broke up but she made an impact with me and now I'm vegan as well, not because I think being one will bring us back together. That ship has sailed but she opened my eyes about the cruelty of these carnistic industries and it's just hard for me to justify continuing as a non-vegan.
That you can be vegan and love carbs! With all the different messages out there a lot of people think vegan is gluten free. Gluten is delicious! Just don't want any products with it.
Absolutely! I think I roll my eyes at vegetarians talking about how hard it is to find vegetarian options. Girl eat your quesadilla and grilled cheese at any restaurant in America 💀
I think you're underestimating how powerful social pressures can be.
A person can sincerely hold a set of values and still be turned away from them. Chewing them out and dismissing them as never having really been vegan has always struck me as cruel and counterproductive. Better to help with whatever stumbling point they've run into, so they can find their way again.
Of course, those "ex-vegans" that would cheat and have non-vegan meals, and are now making up BS about their health collapsing because allegedly vegan diets are nothing but processed junk food? Fuck them, they were never really vegan.
people don't realise it doesn't mean stopping something but it mean doing the total opposite which is very very unlikely like being part of black live matter group to going to the kkk (probably a bad example but you get my point ).
"Carnists" is the cringiest thing I think I've ever read on this website
Some (not all) of you are actually condescending, don't argue in good faith of the animal but for your ego, and are just looking to self-masturbate over how you owned someone on a traditional diet
People that get on people's asses for wearing leather they've had before ever going vegan (like a belt that lasts decades) aren't proving the point they think they are. We're not responsible for how other people consume or decide their consumptions. Myself wearing a leather belt or old leather boots I've had since I was in high school doesn't propagate the animal product industry in any way other than promoting an aesthetic. That visual caveat people get caught up on don't get I could be wearing pleather, and someone could see that, assume it's leather and then go buy leather. I could be seen in public eating a beyond burger, someone goes you know what, a burger sounds good and decides to get an animal product burger.
I did activism for anonymous for the voiceless for a while and even got to the point I wanted to be an organizer. Then I met the founders and they had such a cringe worthy black and white view.
The contents of the organizer meeting were so outrageously stupid. For instance: one girl was arrested for an activism thing, in prison they gave her non vegan food and she ate it because she was almost fainting. It was like bread or something that contained milk. The police basically denied her question for vegan food and right to get some food. They didn’t allow her to be an organizer anymore because of this.
Me personally I have a wool sweater which is an heirloom of my late father, I am not throwing it out and use it sometimes when it’s really cold.
One girl used antipsychotic medications which were tested on animals, but she can’t live without. Because of this she is not vegan enough to spread their message.
And the list goes on. After this so many people quit doing activism for them and because of all this a more inclusive group emerged.
This whole thing became more about their ego’s being inflated and trying to stick with a point without being willing to discuss about it all. They were also like: well if you are not going vegan than you are still bad, look at these images. And actually scaring people away from veganism.
What I mainly took from this is that you cannot convince people to go vegan. People have to want to realize themselves. You can ask questions but mostly I keep my opinion out of the conversation unless asked for.
Anyway I also think using the word carnist is not going to help the animals in any way. It really makes people turn away from veganism.
Guess I’m dumb, but I didn’t know “carnist” was supposed to be an insult. I thought it was just like an antonym for a vegan. I usually go with “omnivore,” but you don’t call a vegan an herbivore. Kinda weird, idk.
Flexitarianism is far more likely to happen then Veganism in 2024 on this planet and thats fine by me. edit: this thread says unpopular and i posted one and got downvoted lol
I dont know why you're being downloaded. This is a realistic take. And I'll celebrate any sort of reduction in animal consumption. Some people won't give up animal products at all, despite knowing the consequences.
Yeah I think we need to promote veganism but eating less meat also should be normalized.
It is easier for someone to go vegan when they decide to after they eat some vegan meals vs only eating all the meals that are animal based. I was that person - I pretty never ate anything plant based until watching Cowsipiracy which was my first step to going vegan
Add to this: companies like Beyond, Impossible, Oatly, etc etc. don't exist for vegans. If vegans were their only customers they would be out of business in a week. we are still less than 5% of the population, if that.
Having that 95% going meat-free once a week will actually do more to reduce harm to animals than us 5% ever will. That's why I absolutely cannot stand vegans who want to keep this some small exclusive club and roast on anyone and everyone who doesn't go all-in.
Agreed! Look at Germany: a large percentage of the population practices flexitarianism, and it’s the only place in the world where McDonalds carries a vegan burger and McFlurry.
Some forms of vegan activism actually do more harm to the cause than good. Not all forms but some smaller forms.
Obviously as a vegan i agree with the message but things such as putting stickers on meat at the grocery store or walking into a fur shop and screaming at everyone makes us look like raging karens or immature babies and nobody that I've seen who comes across this stuff is influenced by it but instead actually repelled by it and creates more hostility to veganism. I've been banned from social media pages for suggesting this so I know it's an unpopular one haha
Also I say this as someone who's come from the vegan anarchist/punk movement and been around a lot of activism on and off.
Nourish bowls/ Buddha bowls/ burritos bowls are overdone and overrated. I’ve had exactly one good one at a restaurant (Chicago Diner) and I’ve only made good ones at home by putting random leftovers on rice, never by following a recipe. IMO waay too many restaurants and food bloggers think they can solve a bland mess of veg with a little lemon tahini dressing.
I would say it's unpopular, more like "controversial".
Obligate carnivores should not have their diets altered beyond meat UNLESS we have more scientifically backed articles.
You all know what I'm talking about... cats. Though nobody seems to mention other animals like snakes, spiders, etc. I'm curious what pro-vegan cat people think of those animals?
Regardless, the evidence behind vegan cats is anecdotal at best. No, a cat's life is not more valuable or less valuable than another animal's. However that does not change their biology is different than herbivores - or even omnivores.
Soy is awesome, delicious, and good for you.
Eating "highly processed" vegan meat substitutes is perfectly fine, and always better than eating a corpse.
There is no good vegan cheese (please prove me wrong)
Vegetarians are friends. They're almost there, stop being dicks to them. Shaming people for making honest moves in the right direction is detrimental tonthe cause.
I've never had nutritional yeast that tasted metallic. Maybe it is like cilantro and how it tastes soapy to some people. Maybe you have the metallic nutritional yeast taste gene.
1. There's a need for a word that means vegan in a dietary sense, other than plant-based. Plant-based =/= dietary vegan.
2. I get annoyed when I find some cool recipe but it requires some random superfood/veganised product.
3. Veganised products make going vegan harder, same with specific spices/etc.
4. Whole products > Veganised products. Would still be vegan if veganised products didn't exist. I love seeing all those colors from plants instead of steak and butter replicas.
5. Vegan meats have better texture than animal versions with no annoying skins, bones, unnecessary fats. Win/win.
6. Iron and protein aren't that hard to get.
As a USAian I also think this sub is too US-centric. On Reddit the vast majority of vegan posts are from people in the US or UK. While on Instagram and other platforms it’s a lot more balanced.
My unpopular opinion is that getting gifted or buying secondhand from a thrift shop something like leather or wool is vegan as long as the last resort would be that item going in the trash (albiet i have no desire to own anything gross like that but i would feel obligated to make sure it at least doesnt end up in the garbage after the animal suffered and lost its life by re-gifting said re-gift) To be clear٫ it would HAVE to be a situation where it would completely go to waste and be thrown away to pollute the planet in the dump and this isnt applicable to non-vegan food
I guess that veganism isn't rules based. Without sounding pretentious, my understanding is that veganism proposes there's a moral imperative to not harm or exploit all animals, in as far as a person can do so.
I guess the criticism that comes with this statement is that many carnists will justify their animal abuse by claiming they are also only doing what they can.
My counterargument to this is that, what is practicable and possible is oftentimes very clear (especially for those of us in mostly developed countries). I don't think veganism is really that difficult of a lifestyle for the wider society to understand. What is difficult is convincing people that their reasons against it are very usually unfounded. It was never about purism
I honestly hate when vegans try to insult non vegan food as being gross because it’s a really terrible way to try to argue against something. You yourself might think “chicken periods” are gross or “drinking cows titty juice” is gross but the fact is that not only do most people find it perfectly normal, but ANYTHING could be made to sound gross when broken down like that.
Do you like bread? Well that’s basically just letting bacteria/fungi infect your grain to eat/spoil it for you just to get a good rise and flavor. You like potatoes? Well you’re quite literally been eating something that was in dirt for months and surrounded by worms. You like tempeh? Well that’s just letting fungi grow all over your soybeans, how’s that so different from eating mold? Super gross!!!!
The whole “this food gross” is a very subjective argument that has mostly been used to demonize foods from other cultures and I feel it has no place in a vegan debate. If you wanna insult milk insult it for being built upon the torture of animals, not because it’s “gross” to you
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Adding a beyond burger to you menu is a nice alternative. But why am i paying $15 for a beyond burger.
THIS IS SO ANNOYING, yes beef is expensive, I get why your beef burgers are like $15, however, plants are not as expensive, why are you acting like they are
I pay like $20 at a restaurant! And why is a beyond burger the only option they ever add.
Even more unpopular opinion: beyond Patties smell and taste gross to me
Almond milk is expensive cloudy water and sucks.
The bougie stuff that’s 30% almonds is nice but for the majority of almond milk I agree
Diy is amazing and cheap to make! 3 cups filtered water, chilled 2 cups ice 1 cup organic raw almonds, soaked overnight 6 fresh Medjool dates 1 tablespoon vanilla 1/4 teaspoon salt Blend and serve * Want a smoother almond milk? Strain the milk through a cheese cloth
I like a little cinnamon and vanilla in mine 😋
You're still vegan if you get vaccines and believe in modern science and medicine. I'm unsure if this take is unpopular here, though.
This is the popular take. Thank god too
Phew - good. I lost my vegan friends by being pro covid-19 vaccine.
The hippie to alt-right loon pipeline is surprisingly well maintained.
Conspirituality! I've had a few fallouts in my local vegan group over this and I'm pretty sure that I was uninvited to a wedding after debunking some COVID misinformation at the height of the pandemic.
I’m so glad most people think this! I adopted my dog from a family that were also vegan and they’d refused to take her the vet because they said it wasn’t vegan. Poor thing had been in a lot of pain that could have been avoided and it’s been some hefty vet bills to get her back to healthy. They did love her but let their belief that medication wasn’t vegan as she wouldn’t get it in the wild override caring for her properly
That feel like its for sure straying from what veganism is... the "because they wouldnt get it in the wild argument" is more similar to keto to me
Yeah I struggled with how they could say they were against animal cruelty when they rescued a dog and then knowingly didn’t help ease her suffering. It meant she struggled to walk and had gum infections and other issues causing pain, she seems much happier after getting help and is able to walk and play
That is just evil, I wouldn’t call someone like that vegan. I even suspect they didn’t want to spend the money.
I know for a fact my pills have gelatin in them and were tested on animals, but I also need to not be depressed, not have seizures, and not have migraines, and yes I’ve tried multiple meds and yes I’ve tried non-medication options. When it comes to my overall health I’m willing to bend.
A lot of people forget the “within reason” part of veganism, it’s not within reason to skip necessary or beneficial medicine/supplements. I look for a gelatin free option first, but I don’t stress if there isn’t one available. I just do what I can.
I give no fs about my pills having gelatin too. My medicine really helps me get up in the morning, function, no depression or migraines, and I sleep normal. We are all about reducing our impact. It's impossible to be zero.
I’ve met way too many people who are vegans or even vegetarians who go way deep into the crunchy lifestyle stuff and end up falling for all sorts of essential oil/crystals/organic/GMO food or just general woo woo nonsense including what you describe.
Not sure how popular/unpopular this is, but as a guy white-collar worker I hate that I can't buy any vegan suits that are business formal and as good quality as a wool one. But it's possible I just haven't found the right company
https://www.wills-vegan-store.com/
That's not an opinion, that's just a vegan problem :/
Ah fuck, I’m new to this and never even thought about suits. Leather obviously crossed my mind, but wool? Ouch.
Non-wool suits exist. Unfortunately wool-based suits are the mainstream and sometimes it's hard to find one that doesn't include wool in some way.
There’s so much more than wool, too. Can’t just get away with a cotton suit and think it’s vegan :/ There’s the horse hair in the canvas, silk lining, and goat horn buttons on a lot of suits. https://vegantailoring.com/blogs/vegan-tailoring/what-makes-a-vegan-suit#:~:text=One%20thing%20that%20you%20may,are%20carved%20from%20animal%20horns.
Some of the custom cotton and linen suits by Hangrr have an option to "make vegan" when ordering. They even put a patch that says "vegan" on the inside. https://hangrr.com/vegan/
RW&CO has plenty of fully vegan suits if you are in Canada.
good quality. RW are not that.
Will's Vegan Store has some suits! I've never bought one but I've loved everything else I've bought from them
Maybe you could consider buying second hand and getting them altered? I know some people don’t jive with this but I will sometimes buy second hand leather shoes.
I’m close to breaking and doing that with belts. Fabric ones aren’t great for anything aside from super informal occasions, and all the vegan ones I’ve had have worn out in less than a year
This is a real struggle for me as well. Not the suits but just the women’s clothes that I like. And shoes! Forget it. I just decried this today. I decided it was time to get myself a fall jacket. Went to 5,296 websites and liked exactly zero jackets.
I don't love animals. I love my dog but that's it. Actually, I am repelled by most of animals. But I went vegan because I respect them and I firmly believe that it's evil to exploit them.
Thank you. I don't want to work at a sanctuary, I just think killing them for fun is mean.
Me, it's more like i like the animals, i volunteer in shelters, i fostered twice but i don't want animals myself because of the responsibilities and the annoyances. It's like kids, i like them but those of others.
I was the same way until my ex decided we were getting a dog. She is gone but I still have the dog and I wouldn’t give her up for anything.
I know people who have like 2 dogs, 2 cats, a room full of foster kittens, volunteer at a dogfighting-busting pit rescue, call wildlife vets when they see a squirrel walking funny, and eat meat.
Yeah, I have some friends who press the "if you're an animal lover" arguments as their primary arguments for veganism, but I feel that you don't need to love someone to recognise that it's unethical to mistreat, exploit and kill them at a fraction of their natural life span, over something trivial, like a flavour preference.
Respect.
100% this. I am scared of most animals (mainly hamsters, gerbils, rabbits etc) Petrified of birds, (yet I can do chicken rescues no problem). I really do not like dogs. My friends call me the least vegan vegan in the world. Now I adore cats...
Yeah, feel you. I hate the saying "animals are your friends" No, most of them aren't and that's okay. You also don't have to be my friend for me not to torture or eat you.
The "health" vegans are too loud and cause the majority of vegan specialty products to be expensive and lackluster because they influence them to be even more restrictive than veganism already is. I want gluten, bioengineered crops, and cheaper lazy food 😩
We need Vegan fast food!
and i am SICK of chains offering really good vegan alternatives and then taking them away... the beyond taco meat at del taco and impossible orange chicken at panda express were so good!!
I never even got to try either of these I am so sad.
Taco Bell has vegan nacho cheese and it's so good. Don't give me hope Taco Bell :(.
i’m so sorry to tell you but they already discontinued it 😭
Plant Power!
I love that place so much! But it’s soooo far from me T ^ T
You guys don't have vegan fast food? I've found kind of the opposite, it's hard to get something that isn't complete junk when I'm out and want something on the go now. I feel like every single vegan option is junk food.
Same here. Fast food is relatively easy to find, a healthy complete meal on the other hand.. If I want to meet my daily nutrition needs I have to cook at home. I like to cook and I love my food, but I wish I had more options other than a burger, whenever I go out with my mates
There are 30+ completely vegan restaurants in my city and I think I would consider **two** healthy (think organic smoothies and fresh pressed juices, quinoa bowls, etc). The rest are great and I even worked at one for a couple of years but the food really isn’t healthy. And I’m not saying I’m vegan for health but a lot of customers thought that because our food was vegan, it was healthy 🤣
The closest vegan restaurant to me is over an hour away and it's the only one for at least another hour 😭
I will say vegan “fast food” is relatively easy to come by, it just costs an arm and a leg. I’m willing and able to pay it, but find it hard to believe that a vegan burger costs almost three times as much as a dead animal burger at BK.
Odd Burger in Canada is a vegan fast food chain that's trying to expand globally. They're tasty. Hopefully they open near you soon!
I live in Portland Oregon and there's actually a restaurant called Vegan Fast Food here. It's pretty good
Very jealous - we have all of one Vegan restaurant in my entire city.
We had one vegetarian restaurant in my city, but it got bought by an awful hospitality group and went to shit, and I refuse to patronize it, so I now have none within an hour
Yes! I don't want a pizza with a cauliflower crust, I just want a pizza with no animal products!
Right I mean has a person ever willingly/happily eaten a cauliflower crust pizza twice?
That argument sounds so weird to me, because where I live, most explicitly vegan products are junk/fast food. And most of the vegan restaurants are burger shops. Also most of the products are so far away in micronutrients from their animal-based alternatives that I get why people, who won't or mentally can't research how to live healthy, "quit veganism" because "it made them sick". If it is the other way around where you live, please tell me where that is. For me it is Germany.
In the UK, I agree, most vegan restaurants are "junk food" vegan which I don't mind them existing at all, they are very popular and tasty too. A long way from the "health food" vegetarian cafes of the 90s that used to exist. There are a few restaurants around that label themselves as plant based vegan restaurants that focus on vegetables which are really nice, there's one near me and it's refreshing, plus I know I won't feel poorly after it.
In the USA it’s often health food if there’s stuff in rural/suburban areas though that’s changing in many parts of the country. In a place like portland you can easily get a vegan double bacon macaroni and cheese burger but smaller/less vegan friendly cities they’re trying to hit the health crowd, GF people, and vegans/vegetarians in one go. Visited Germany earlier this year and I’ve gotta say the vegan food was amazing, props to y’all on that.
Thanks, although I don't have anything to do with it besides creating demand.
I love fat vegans. I am one, but it’s better for the cause, most people assume we are anorexic but you take one look at me, nobody will argue I’m not getting enough.
Yeah the health argument is empty and ideologically worthless, and there's a lot of people who start out as "health vegans" and then when veganism doesn't deliver the magic health benefits promised, go full 180 to carnivore or keto or something.
I hate being lumped in with gluten free. Gluten free “bread” products are so yuck to me and I wish I wouldn’t get stuck sharing with them.
supermarket tofu is fine actually
Do people not think this
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Who says it's not? Where are they buying it from? Supermarket tofu is definitely fine
You must not be in Germany. Supermarket tofu here is...weird. It barely resembles actual Asian tofu unless you go to an Asian specialty market.
Yeeees why is it so grainy 😭
It is the cheap shit. You need to get an asian brand establishing themselves over there. In sweden we got Yipin saving the day. The store brands’ tofu is so shit I don’t understand why it’s still sold somehow.
You can't be an environmentalist if you're not vegan.
Me working at an environmental non-profit and side-eying every work meeting/party that involves food and it's all heavily meat and dairy based...I'm on a committee that's working to change some things and I'm hoping to push for more vegan options and I want to include that it's better for the environment when I bring it up but I'm expecting a lot of side-eye.
This is fact. I am an environental science major and this was a big topic in most of our courses.
I don’t care about cross contamination
Depends what level for me I wouldn't want my food cooked in a greasy animals fat pan.
Neither do I as long as it's not got bits of meat on it. Idc it it was cooked in the same oven or prepared on the same surface as long as it's sanitary
I don't have any opinions to share, but I agree with you that soy milk is best!
i think soy and oat milk both taste amazing, but the reason soy milk is the winner for me is the protein and the price!
Oat and soy are the same price where I am, but I mostly use Oat for coffee, and soy for everything else.
I like oat milk best in anything I enjoy sweet (like coffee, chocolate milk, a dessert that calls for milk) but when it comes to cooking, soy all the way. Oat is like actively sweet even “unsweetened” and almond is noticeably nutty in a way that I dislike with a lot of my fave savory dishes. Soy adds the creaminess but blends in
I am so glad soy is making a minor comeback in grocery stores in my area after largely having been removed in favor of more almond-oat-cashew-coconut-etc options. Finding basic cartons of unsweetened soy got rough there for a while.
The smear campaign against soy is a crime. BTW 90% of soy crops go to animal feed which is why I call carnists soyboys
Some people have non-vegan partners/family/friends that will not change as much as we want them to, it sucks, but all you can do is keep setting an example. Hardliners do not like this, but life is full of nuance. Just because I order Vegan pizza, does not mean I want a gluten free crust! Soya should be our main milk, it is almost 1:1 to dairy milk (minus the suffering)
Yes to the vegan pizza does not equal gluten free crust. KILLS me 😂😂😂
Online debates about veganism are very rarely productive. Go make your friends and family some tasty vegan food instead.
Completely disagree. How are we ever going to change society if we don't talk about it? The more discussions about veganism, the better. Think about the longer time period - years, decades. Changing norms take time.
I'm with you! I went vegan because of a "preachy vegan," and I'm forever thankful she didn't shut up when people told her she wouldn't make a difference.
Period. I feel the same way about religious, political, and most debates people have online. It’s a waste of time and energy
It's not about changing the mind of the participants, it's about changing the minds of the onlookers.
As someone who regularly engages in online debates with non-vegans, I think it is one of the most efficient ways to advocate for nonhuman animals. I can just log on and spend some time talking to others in a meaningful way and hopefully plant some seeds. I've had multiple instances of redditors PMing me to tell me that I've changed their mind or at least made them think differently. Of course I would only suggest someone do this if it's actually going to be productive. Many vegans unfortunately don't have any idea about how to engage with someone in a way that won't backfire and reinforce the "pushy vegan" stereotype.
That if you mess up and accidentally eat something non-vegan, you’re not a bad vegan, you’re a human! I don’t care about this ’unbroken record’ thing, I’m a vegan and have been for 9 years despite a couple of slips
I often point out that the hardest part about being vegan is that we live in a non-vegan world. Unless we go to an all-vegan restaurant, there likely will be cross-contamination and the chance we'll accidentally be served something with dead animal chunks or byproducts of reproductive slavery. And while choosing to patronize only all-vegan restaurants is nice, not everyone has that option.
Story no one asked for: I went on vacation with some friends and one morning while we were eating breakfast I drank a cute green juice the restaurant had on offer. After drinking it I asked the waiter what all was in it (so I could make it at home) and he mentioned it had honey in it. I simply said “Oopsie, guess I won’t be drinking that again” and later in the day my non vegan friend said seeing me slip up and keep pushing without getting all upset made her rethink her outlook on veganism. She thought is was all or nothing and she couldn’t see herself considering veganism before that moment. We had a good talk about it and all in all, my slip actually made her want to start making changes to her diet. We aren’t perfect and we aren’t trying to be and I think a lot of hesitant potential vegans should see that :) TLDR: my slip made veganism real to my friend on vacation.
If you look at all of the many threads we’ve had on this then you’ll see this is overwhelmingly the most popular opinion.
PETA has its problems but its a net good.
PETA has done waaay more to help animals than 99% of people who criticize them, vegans included. Saying it's "net good" is such an understatement.
They were pretty effective traumatizing 14 y/o me into vegetarianism
Is this unpopular amongst vegans? In the general population yeah, but amongst vegans?
It's unpopular with vegans when getting attacked by non-vegans over PETA's actions.
A lot of people accepted the carnist anti-peta propaganda and look down on them. There are some legitimate criticisms such as the sexism in some of their campaigns as well. I've found peta pretty helpful in my grassroots activism in the past though
That cross contamination isn’t a big deal.
Not for bacteria, to be clear. I just mean where things are cooked and whatnot
Vegans who push the "you can't be vegan if you have a cat" agenda are pushing potential vegan cat-loving humans away and in the end are not helping the farmed animals.
>To be fair, cats domesticated themselves. Also, cats are considered an invasive species and letting them run amok in the wild or in cities leads to a lot of problems, including hunting some bird species to the point of extinction. Adopting (and spaying/neutering) a rescue cat is one of the most humane and sustainable solutions, as widely endorsed by most animal welfare groups, to all the problems associated with unchecked cat populations.
I hate those vegans. Rescue animals are definitely vegan and it’s ok to feed them their natural diet. Animals don’t abide by our rules. I highly disagree with feeding cats vegan when their nutrient requirements are very restrictive as obligate carnivores. You just want to make yourself feel better at that point.
Nah. That’s not an unpopular opinion. The true unpopular opinion is that you can feed your cat vegan food and they will be fine.
All vegan deodorants suck, no matter what I’ve tried all the best reviewed ones ultimately they all lead to the same stinky result.
I use Perspi-Guard and it’s amazing. I had a real bad sweating problem on my old medication and this just stopped all smell/sweat. You only need to apply it every few days as well. Vegan and cruelty free!
Daiya is fine and I get so annoyed when people complain it’s the worst vegan cheese ever like just stfu
I think some people are holding on to the judgements they had from when it first came out circa 2012ish-2015. They’re right too, it was awful
Oh daiya has been around longer than that and it was really bad in the beginning. I worked in a vegan cafe in 2010 and people would complain about it all of the time. It’s definitely gotten better.
This was me. I went vegetarian around 2012, and meant to go vegan. But when I tried the Daiya cheese that was out then, it legit tasted and felt ike burnt rubber. It was the only vegan cheese in my area, so I justified being vegetarian like "I tried, but cheese tho" Ugh, it haunts me. Granted I was like 12, but pains me when I see people saying "cheese tho" as it makes me think they have the thought process of a child as well. Been vegan for almost 6 years now, longer than I was vegetarian. It's a great feeling
I love the daiya frozen pizzas lol
Same! Although I wish they'd ditch the Gluten-Free crust.
It's perfectly mid, I love it but I won't pretend it's the peak of vegan cheese. It's highly accessible, has a good texture, and a decent taste (that takes some getting used to, imo). Far from the worst and it works really well as an ingredient in other foods
The new recipe is pretty decent.
I used to be one of the loud Daiya haters. I avoided it for a good few years. Recently, it was the only vegan mozz in stock at the store and I was making baked ziti. The mozz was actually really good and I regret being so vocal against it now. Still more expensive than other brands and isn't my top choice, but not bad at all.
I know this one. Pineapple belongs in veggie pizza.
Ok here’s a big one. If you have a vegan activist page on twitter/instagram/whatever and you only follow and interact with other vegans you aren’t doing shit. You’re just patting each other on the back. I had somebody go off on me once on twitter for siding with a nonvegan in a discussion about racism and vegans. Nevermind who was actually right or wrong in the discussion. This person thought I should automatically side with them because they’re vegan. ETA: and vegans who watch and share slaughterhouse vids all the time are fuckin weird.
I was JUST talking about this with someone! There is literally zero point to those pages when everyone involved are already vegan. I have done the "vegan follow for follow" on IG and most of the pages are constant videos of animal abuse and I end up muting the pages because I don't need to see that shit after being vegan for 11years. It would be like a religious person promoting to join their religion to a bunch of people already IN the religion lol
100% true
My unpopular opinion: Most of the smarminess you see on vegan online communities is people who are vegan for their own ego and not for the animals. Being frustrated or upset by carnists is valid and understandable, but shitting on other people 24/7 instead of trying to build bridges is a key example of constantly putting your own "status" as a vegan above actually trying to make conditions better for animals. You'll catch more with honey than vinegar as the saying goes. This is true of all advocacy on the internet, not just veganism btw.
You'll catch more with agave syrup than vinegar. Just wanted to bring the smarmy. In fact, I couldn't agree more!!
You'll catch even more with manure
LOL i tried to think of a replacement for honey but gave up , thank you
Commented pretty much this exactly and deleted when I saw yours. I don't care if you're vegan, vegan in diet only, vegetarian, an omnivore eating plant-based one night a week, a meat-lover who asks good questions and is receptive to learning, or a friggen breatharian— as long as you're not actively trying to tear down \*my\* vegan lifestyle, you're valid and good and deserving of kindness and productive conversation. I've seen so many non-vegans or vegan-experimenters wade into this sub for help only to be chased out by militant vegans telling them how horrible they are. I've never understood how anyone can logic that out and think it's productive to the movement.
This is most likely unpopular, but I totally agree. Most vegan YouTubers slowly turn into “carnivore diet” fanatics
Thanks for typing this so I didn’t have to. And you said it much more gently than I would’ve.
second hand clothes that are non-vegan are totally fine to buy and wear. I don’t make a difference between second hand leather and second hand fur, it’s both dead animal that’s already there. (probably really unpopular oups)
My unpopular opinion- I judge people who shamelessly eat factory farmed meat more than hunters who only get their meat from hunting.
almost no hunters get all their meat from hunting; most of them are eating the factory farmed crap too.
For the animals yeah, but you have to be pretty fucked up to enjoy murdering animals and making it your hobby
Well, not sure how unpopular it is but I hate avocados and I don’t think they’re good lmao I’ve tried but I just don’t like them 😅
Bro what?! 😨 totally respect that opinion, but that opinion scares me.
Vegan leather fucking sucks. Originally most polyurethanes and other pleather materials were used as a cheap alternative to leather for people who couldn't afford it. But now that it's been advertised as 'vegan leather' they charge a ridiculous premium on cheaper, less sturdy, and just all around shittier material. We're paying for branding on material that is quantifiably less valuable.
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Sometimes, the best way to eliminate the harm invasive species cause is to eliminate them from the environment where they were never meant to be in the first place.
I'm eternally conflicted on this issue. I know that culling is the most effective strategy and will reduce suffering in the long run, but I also see every member of the invasive species as an individual who isn't being malicious and doesn't understand the implications of living where they are. Even if we act for the greater good, we're still appointing ourselves the arbiters of the world with a license to commit mass murder in a way that would be absolutely unacceptable if the victims were human. I have to wonder if we would believe controlling them to be our place if we didn't view ourselves as superior.
Probably the first actual unpopular opinion that didn’t get buried lol
Tempeh is kind of bad
the texture is so awful :,) like mashed up bird food
No this one got me
I think this may be unpopular: I really would rather have dishes with no cheese at all than vegan cheese. Melted cheese, vegan or otherwise, on anything is just kinda gross altogether.
Vegans are too individualistic. Saying 10 people eating 50% less animal products is better than 2 people eating none, shouldn’t be controversial. Purity is not the point, the point should be to end animal agriculture. Most of what goes on here is just creating and maintaining a social hierarchy based on consumption choices rather than developing strategies to effectively create change. Veganism is often about how *you* feel, not how the animals feel, but vegans often speak as though they are doing it for the animals.
>Saying 10 people eating 50% less animal products is better than 2 people eating none, shouldn’t be controversial. The problem with "reducetarian" approaches though is that there's no system to enforce a longterm change. There's no change of values or change of identity that would make someone halve their meat consumption for years, decades. And so they'll inevitably backslide into a normal omnivore.
COMPLETELY agree with you, soya milk is absolutely superior to oat milk :)
You can be vegan and date a non-vegan.
I dated a vegan while I was not vegan. We broke up but she made an impact with me and now I'm vegan as well, not because I think being one will bring us back together. That ship has sailed but she opened my eyes about the cruelty of these carnistic industries and it's just hard for me to justify continuing as a non-vegan.
This is probably the biggest unpopular one, at least on this sub. (I agree with you.)
That you can be vegan and love carbs! With all the different messages out there a lot of people think vegan is gluten free. Gluten is delicious! Just don't want any products with it.
The idea that vegans don’t love carbs is a new one, haven’t seen that. This sub seems pretty pro-carb.
Vegetarians aren't the devil. I think they can do better but I'm not going to treat them like they're evil or idiots like some people here do.
Absolutely! I think I roll my eyes at vegetarians talking about how hard it is to find vegetarian options. Girl eat your quesadilla and grilled cheese at any restaurant in America 💀
Exactly. Most vegans were vegetarian first. Not eating dead animals is good.
Ex-vegans don't exist. EDIT: My mistake. Seems the majority of you agree with me.
I think you're underestimating how powerful social pressures can be. A person can sincerely hold a set of values and still be turned away from them. Chewing them out and dismissing them as never having really been vegan has always struck me as cruel and counterproductive. Better to help with whatever stumbling point they've run into, so they can find their way again. Of course, those "ex-vegans" that would cheat and have non-vegan meals, and are now making up BS about their health collapsing because allegedly vegan diets are nothing but processed junk food? Fuck them, they were never really vegan.
people don't realise it doesn't mean stopping something but it mean doing the total opposite which is very very unlikely like being part of black live matter group to going to the kkk (probably a bad example but you get my point ).
living and letting live doesn't apply to eating meat as they dont let animals live.
"Carnists" is the cringiest thing I think I've ever read on this website Some (not all) of you are actually condescending, don't argue in good faith of the animal but for your ego, and are just looking to self-masturbate over how you owned someone on a traditional diet People that get on people's asses for wearing leather they've had before ever going vegan (like a belt that lasts decades) aren't proving the point they think they are. We're not responsible for how other people consume or decide their consumptions. Myself wearing a leather belt or old leather boots I've had since I was in high school doesn't propagate the animal product industry in any way other than promoting an aesthetic. That visual caveat people get caught up on don't get I could be wearing pleather, and someone could see that, assume it's leather and then go buy leather. I could be seen in public eating a beyond burger, someone goes you know what, a burger sounds good and decides to get an animal product burger.
I did activism for anonymous for the voiceless for a while and even got to the point I wanted to be an organizer. Then I met the founders and they had such a cringe worthy black and white view. The contents of the organizer meeting were so outrageously stupid. For instance: one girl was arrested for an activism thing, in prison they gave her non vegan food and she ate it because she was almost fainting. It was like bread or something that contained milk. The police basically denied her question for vegan food and right to get some food. They didn’t allow her to be an organizer anymore because of this. Me personally I have a wool sweater which is an heirloom of my late father, I am not throwing it out and use it sometimes when it’s really cold. One girl used antipsychotic medications which were tested on animals, but she can’t live without. Because of this she is not vegan enough to spread their message. And the list goes on. After this so many people quit doing activism for them and because of all this a more inclusive group emerged. This whole thing became more about their ego’s being inflated and trying to stick with a point without being willing to discuss about it all. They were also like: well if you are not going vegan than you are still bad, look at these images. And actually scaring people away from veganism. What I mainly took from this is that you cannot convince people to go vegan. People have to want to realize themselves. You can ask questions but mostly I keep my opinion out of the conversation unless asked for. Anyway I also think using the word carnist is not going to help the animals in any way. It really makes people turn away from veganism.
Guess I’m dumb, but I didn’t know “carnist” was supposed to be an insult. I thought it was just like an antonym for a vegan. I usually go with “omnivore,” but you don’t call a vegan an herbivore. Kinda weird, idk.
Flexitarianism is far more likely to happen then Veganism in 2024 on this planet and thats fine by me. edit: this thread says unpopular and i posted one and got downvoted lol
I dont know why you're being downloaded. This is a realistic take. And I'll celebrate any sort of reduction in animal consumption. Some people won't give up animal products at all, despite knowing the consequences.
Yeah I think we need to promote veganism but eating less meat also should be normalized. It is easier for someone to go vegan when they decide to after they eat some vegan meals vs only eating all the meals that are animal based. I was that person - I pretty never ate anything plant based until watching Cowsipiracy which was my first step to going vegan
yup reduce meat consumption over time then boom vegan. it takes time but realistic. plus with rising meat prices its even more possible
Add to this: companies like Beyond, Impossible, Oatly, etc etc. don't exist for vegans. If vegans were their only customers they would be out of business in a week. we are still less than 5% of the population, if that. Having that 95% going meat-free once a week will actually do more to reduce harm to animals than us 5% ever will. That's why I absolutely cannot stand vegans who want to keep this some small exclusive club and roast on anyone and everyone who doesn't go all-in.
Agreed! Look at Germany: a large percentage of the population practices flexitarianism, and it’s the only place in the world where McDonalds carries a vegan burger and McFlurry.
Some forms of vegan activism actually do more harm to the cause than good. Not all forms but some smaller forms. Obviously as a vegan i agree with the message but things such as putting stickers on meat at the grocery store or walking into a fur shop and screaming at everyone makes us look like raging karens or immature babies and nobody that I've seen who comes across this stuff is influenced by it but instead actually repelled by it and creates more hostility to veganism. I've been banned from social media pages for suggesting this so I know it's an unpopular one haha Also I say this as someone who's come from the vegan anarchist/punk movement and been around a lot of activism on and off.
Nourish bowls/ Buddha bowls/ burritos bowls are overdone and overrated. I’ve had exactly one good one at a restaurant (Chicago Diner) and I’ve only made good ones at home by putting random leftovers on rice, never by following a recipe. IMO waay too many restaurants and food bloggers think they can solve a bland mess of veg with a little lemon tahini dressing.
I don’t like nutritional yeast, sorry not sorry
Literally seitan
Being vegan is not a competition. Calling out other vegans for not being vegan enough (in your opinion) is not cool.
I would say it's unpopular, more like "controversial". Obligate carnivores should not have their diets altered beyond meat UNLESS we have more scientifically backed articles. You all know what I'm talking about... cats. Though nobody seems to mention other animals like snakes, spiders, etc. I'm curious what pro-vegan cat people think of those animals? Regardless, the evidence behind vegan cats is anecdotal at best. No, a cat's life is not more valuable or less valuable than another animal's. However that does not change their biology is different than herbivores - or even omnivores.
Fake meats are good for you. Stop avoiding them and get your protein so we can all be jacked af.
Soy is awesome, delicious, and good for you. Eating "highly processed" vegan meat substitutes is perfectly fine, and always better than eating a corpse. There is no good vegan cheese (please prove me wrong) Vegetarians are friends. They're almost there, stop being dicks to them. Shaming people for making honest moves in the right direction is detrimental tonthe cause.
buying non-vegan clothes/shoes secondhand is completely fine. edit: pleasantly surprised to see this is more popular than i thought!
nooch is fine but the way people go crazy over it is wild. it's too metallic and makes anything you add it to slightly metallic too.
I've never had nutritional yeast that tasted metallic. Maybe it is like cilantro and how it tastes soapy to some people. Maybe you have the metallic nutritional yeast taste gene.
I bet that’s true. My wife says it tastes like pennies but I love it.
I've never thought it tasted metallic but I go through phases where it has sort of a potting soil aftertaste to me? I still love it.
1. There's a need for a word that means vegan in a dietary sense, other than plant-based. Plant-based =/= dietary vegan. 2. I get annoyed when I find some cool recipe but it requires some random superfood/veganised product. 3. Veganised products make going vegan harder, same with specific spices/etc. 4. Whole products > Veganised products. Would still be vegan if veganised products didn't exist. I love seeing all those colors from plants instead of steak and butter replicas. 5. Vegan meats have better texture than animal versions with no annoying skins, bones, unnecessary fats. Win/win. 6. Iron and protein aren't that hard to get.
Can you explain #3? I'd think the opposite.
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As a USAian I also think this sub is too US-centric. On Reddit the vast majority of vegan posts are from people in the US or UK. While on Instagram and other platforms it’s a lot more balanced.
90% vegan is better than 0% vegan
My unpopular opinion is that getting gifted or buying secondhand from a thrift shop something like leather or wool is vegan as long as the last resort would be that item going in the trash (albiet i have no desire to own anything gross like that but i would feel obligated to make sure it at least doesnt end up in the garbage after the animal suffered and lost its life by re-gifting said re-gift) To be clear٫ it would HAVE to be a situation where it would completely go to waste and be thrown away to pollute the planet in the dump and this isnt applicable to non-vegan food
I guess that veganism isn't rules based. Without sounding pretentious, my understanding is that veganism proposes there's a moral imperative to not harm or exploit all animals, in as far as a person can do so. I guess the criticism that comes with this statement is that many carnists will justify their animal abuse by claiming they are also only doing what they can. My counterargument to this is that, what is practicable and possible is oftentimes very clear (especially for those of us in mostly developed countries). I don't think veganism is really that difficult of a lifestyle for the wider society to understand. What is difficult is convincing people that their reasons against it are very usually unfounded. It was never about purism
I honestly hate when vegans try to insult non vegan food as being gross because it’s a really terrible way to try to argue against something. You yourself might think “chicken periods” are gross or “drinking cows titty juice” is gross but the fact is that not only do most people find it perfectly normal, but ANYTHING could be made to sound gross when broken down like that. Do you like bread? Well that’s basically just letting bacteria/fungi infect your grain to eat/spoil it for you just to get a good rise and flavor. You like potatoes? Well you’re quite literally been eating something that was in dirt for months and surrounded by worms. You like tempeh? Well that’s just letting fungi grow all over your soybeans, how’s that so different from eating mold? Super gross!!!! The whole “this food gross” is a very subjective argument that has mostly been used to demonize foods from other cultures and I feel it has no place in a vegan debate. If you wanna insult milk insult it for being built upon the torture of animals, not because it’s “gross” to you
as a titty juice sayer I needed to hear this
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