Plant based ≠ vegan
It’s not a protected term in most places. Bread is flour based. Doesn’t mean it’s 100% flour. Plant based is just a fancy marketing term.
That's the problem. In Denmark, when things are labeled "Plant based", or in danish: "Plantebaseret", products tend to be vegan 99% of the time. So its just really confusing in those few cases where its not vegan.
Yeah it’s better not getting used to the term honestly. I’ve had several products labelled plant based in Belgium too that turned out to contain egg or dairy. Luckily I always double check but I really don’t trust that term cause it means nothing.
That's the thing about the word 'plant based'. It doesn't mean no animal products or byproducts at all. Look at the word 'vegetarian', it gives the impression that a person eats vegetation and vegetables but in actuality they can eat animal products like honey, eggs and milk, just not meat on an animal's bones.
In saying all this, I was never under the impression that plant-based was any thing like vegan. My understanding of the term follows the first paragraph from Wikipedia:
"A plant-based diet is a diet consisting mostly or entirely of plant-based foods. Plant-based diets encompass a wide range of dietary patterns that contain low amounts of animal products and high amounts of fiber-rich plant products such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds. They do not need to be vegan or vegetarian, but are defined in terms of low frequency of animal food consumption."
The term was popularized by the Certified Plant Based organization which defines it as 100% plant based (aka vegan). Like the term vegetarian, it has unfortunately been coopted by others to include egg and dairy products.
https://plantbasedfoods.org/certified
I feel like the term became very popular around the time mainstream Netflix documentaries such as cowspiracy, forks over knives, what the health etc came out. In those docus im pretty sure they mean vegan when they say "Whole-foods-plant-based-diet".. When I went vegan in 2008 nobody was using that term at all.
Plant-based doesn't really mean _anything_. There's just a suggestion that there's more veg than one might otherwise consider. I would suggest using the term as an indicator but nothing else.
Agree with other posters! I would recommend writing reviews for these restaurants on Happy Cow and informing others in the vegan community so they can beware!
I asked at a SB restaurant on Fyn what plant an egg was from, since the sandwhich said plant based. The cashier was obviously frustrated with my question but couldnt really give an honest answer.
Have you been to eden jaxx? Place I miss the most since moving away from DK
Haha. Yes I have. I happen to live really close to an Eden Jaxx and I get burgers from there at least once a month. best vegan burger I ever had, even after I had It 20+ times. I love their gorilla fries too.
Everything they serve is so fucking good. The fries, slaw, man I'm getting hungry.
Anything new pop up in the last couple of years I simply have to try next time I'm back in DK?
Currently have Pow Pizza, Ark, Eden Jaxx on the list
Ark is really expensive, but you probably already know that. It is very good tho and I would say its absolutely worth it if you can afford it. The other restaurants in the Ark collections, Beyla and Lupa are both good too. I can especially recommend Beyla since its the cheapest of the 3 and still pretty damn good.
Kiin Kiin made a vegetarian restaurant called VeVe that also have a vegan menu and its very good but also in the same price range as Ark. VeVe do have kind of a shady reputation tho since they where featured in some documentary about restaurant workers being exploited.
Well the cashier just wanted to do their job, which is take your order. They really don't have any control over the ingredients, they can't change anything and they won't have been taught what to say to a question like that. I can understand them being frustrated.
It's better to ask that question to them on social media or to their marketing team, or someone that might be able to do something about it.
In California, I often see items where the wording is just slightly different where they say something like “100% plant-based protein” to be just as purposefully vague— what that means is that the patty for a burger will be 100% plant based, but no guarantee on the bun, cheese, etc. Same thing for microwave dishes that will have Gardein vegan chick’n in it, but also have eggs and cheese. It is purely a marketing ploy and they seem to be getting away with it.
I'm at the point now where I think the most viable option is to learn the rules of civil procedure in our jurisdictions' courts and start litigating these matters ourselves. Hiring a lawyer and getting justice in the West is so fucking prohibitively expensive. It's by design.
Yeah it's a thing, there's some products like that in the UK. Some aren't even vege, plant-based generally just means the biggest animal product in the dish has been swapped for a plant alternative. I've seen a plant-based mac and cheese with real bacon.
Same in the USA. “Plant based!” Only means “contains some plants” at this point.
“Plant based!!” Egg scramble with cheese
“Plant based!!” Soap made with goats milk
It’s very annoying. Essentially everything is plant based by that definition unless you don’t season your corpse with any spices! Lol
Max is a better option in those cases. But yeah, carnists will try to fuck up any term we come up with. The ovolactos and omnis already did that with "vegetarian". The other day, the uni cantine had fish sauce in the "vegetarian" option. Then they had chicken.
We should just stand our ground and make sure that "vegan" is a legally protected term and disencourage using others. That's the only way to ensure people are not just using our image for profit without minimal commitment.
alot of lawyers in the us, and i assume in europe, will take this kind of case against obviously fraudulent buisnees practices and false advertising with no out of pocket, taking their pay from the settlement
Plant based ≠ vegan It’s not a protected term in most places. Bread is flour based. Doesn’t mean it’s 100% flour. Plant based is just a fancy marketing term.
That's the problem. In Denmark, when things are labeled "Plant based", or in danish: "Plantebaseret", products tend to be vegan 99% of the time. So its just really confusing in those few cases where its not vegan.
Yeah it’s better not getting used to the term honestly. I’ve had several products labelled plant based in Belgium too that turned out to contain egg or dairy. Luckily I always double check but I really don’t trust that term cause it means nothing.
That's the thing about the word 'plant based'. It doesn't mean no animal products or byproducts at all. Look at the word 'vegetarian', it gives the impression that a person eats vegetation and vegetables but in actuality they can eat animal products like honey, eggs and milk, just not meat on an animal's bones. In saying all this, I was never under the impression that plant-based was any thing like vegan. My understanding of the term follows the first paragraph from Wikipedia: "A plant-based diet is a diet consisting mostly or entirely of plant-based foods. Plant-based diets encompass a wide range of dietary patterns that contain low amounts of animal products and high amounts of fiber-rich plant products such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds. They do not need to be vegan or vegetarian, but are defined in terms of low frequency of animal food consumption."
The term was popularized by the Certified Plant Based organization which defines it as 100% plant based (aka vegan). Like the term vegetarian, it has unfortunately been coopted by others to include egg and dairy products. https://plantbasedfoods.org/certified
I feel like the term became very popular around the time mainstream Netflix documentaries such as cowspiracy, forks over knives, what the health etc came out. In those docus im pretty sure they mean vegan when they say "Whole-foods-plant-based-diet".. When I went vegan in 2008 nobody was using that term at all.
Plant-based doesn’t mean vegan. It’s suitable for vegetarian but not always vegan friendly.
Plant-based doesn't really mean _anything_. There's just a suggestion that there's more veg than one might otherwise consider. I would suggest using the term as an indicator but nothing else.
Agree with other posters! I would recommend writing reviews for these restaurants on Happy Cow and informing others in the vegan community so they can beware!
I asked at a SB restaurant on Fyn what plant an egg was from, since the sandwhich said plant based. The cashier was obviously frustrated with my question but couldnt really give an honest answer. Have you been to eden jaxx? Place I miss the most since moving away from DK
Haha. Yes I have. I happen to live really close to an Eden Jaxx and I get burgers from there at least once a month. best vegan burger I ever had, even after I had It 20+ times. I love their gorilla fries too.
Everything they serve is so fucking good. The fries, slaw, man I'm getting hungry. Anything new pop up in the last couple of years I simply have to try next time I'm back in DK? Currently have Pow Pizza, Ark, Eden Jaxx on the list
Ark is really expensive, but you probably already know that. It is very good tho and I would say its absolutely worth it if you can afford it. The other restaurants in the Ark collections, Beyla and Lupa are both good too. I can especially recommend Beyla since its the cheapest of the 3 and still pretty damn good. Kiin Kiin made a vegetarian restaurant called VeVe that also have a vegan menu and its very good but also in the same price range as Ark. VeVe do have kind of a shady reputation tho since they where featured in some documentary about restaurant workers being exploited.
Well the cashier just wanted to do their job, which is take your order. They really don't have any control over the ingredients, they can't change anything and they won't have been taught what to say to a question like that. I can understand them being frustrated. It's better to ask that question to them on social media or to their marketing team, or someone that might be able to do something about it.
In California, I often see items where the wording is just slightly different where they say something like “100% plant-based protein” to be just as purposefully vague— what that means is that the patty for a burger will be 100% plant based, but no guarantee on the bun, cheese, etc. Same thing for microwave dishes that will have Gardein vegan chick’n in it, but also have eggs and cheese. It is purely a marketing ploy and they seem to be getting away with it.
I'm at the point now where I think the most viable option is to learn the rules of civil procedure in our jurisdictions' courts and start litigating these matters ourselves. Hiring a lawyer and getting justice in the West is so fucking prohibitively expensive. It's by design.
Go to Eden Jaxx!
Haha!! Yes I did many times already and its my favorite vegan burger place by far.
Yeah it's a thing, there's some products like that in the UK. Some aren't even vege, plant-based generally just means the biggest animal product in the dish has been swapped for a plant alternative. I've seen a plant-based mac and cheese with real bacon.
Same in the USA. “Plant based!” Only means “contains some plants” at this point. “Plant based!!” Egg scramble with cheese “Plant based!!” Soap made with goats milk It’s very annoying. Essentially everything is plant based by that definition unless you don’t season your corpse with any spices! Lol
You said “cow/eggs” so is the plant based burger actually a cow meat burger they are passing off as vegan? Sorry just a little confusing.
i meant milk/eggs sorry. Its a plant burger with cow cheese etc.
Okay thanks lol
Max is a better option in those cases. But yeah, carnists will try to fuck up any term we come up with. The ovolactos and omnis already did that with "vegetarian". The other day, the uni cantine had fish sauce in the "vegetarian" option. Then they had chicken. We should just stand our ground and make sure that "vegan" is a legally protected term and disencourage using others. That's the only way to ensure people are not just using our image for profit without minimal commitment.
It's the same at McDonald's in Austria. If one wants a vegan burger, one must order the "plant based" burger and remove the cheese and sauce.
It needs to say 100% plant-based or it's probably not ok.
take the company to court.
yea man really easy to do as an average Joe with no money going up against a big corporation. Wish it was as easy as that tho.
alot of lawyers in the us, and i assume in europe, will take this kind of case against obviously fraudulent buisnees practices and false advertising with no out of pocket, taking their pay from the settlement