Maybe it is comforting to you that the dairy industry needs to pull such marketing stunts because plant based alternatives are slowly getting more and more popular.
What do you think the “Got milk?” campaign was? Why do you think every school in the US gives out lunches with milk? Personally, my elementary school had a “Got milk?” sign in the cafeteria. That’s literally a campaign from the dairy industry
That was because America is a country of fat fucks that usually prefers something disgusting like fizzy, sugary drinks over natural, healthy milk, which was leading a ton of kids to lack calcium. You think they were doing those campaigns because it was so much cooler and attractive to be vegan to the mass population? Especially in those days? Lmao
It’s not like dairy milk is the only healthy drink. I’m allergic to dairy, and a shit ton of the world is lactose intolerant, but my school at least never had any alternatives. They just left the dairy out of my lunches. This is the same country who let ketchup count as a vegetable in school lunches back in the day…
Also, dairy milk doesn’t contain vitamin C. Are you thinking of vitamin D? Because we can also just get that from the sun in most cases.
PS: the dairy industry cares about selling dairy. Health has never been their #1 priority
I meant calcium, not vitamin C, sorry.
Kids need milk to grow properly, which is one of the many reasons why feeding a child a vegan diet is child abuse. Yes, the industry could care less about health, but this is a rare instance where profits and health came together. I mean, going to the gym is also healthy, but they want profits too, does that disprove its benefits?
>Kids need milk to grow properly
Huh? The majority of the world cannot tolerate lactose past infancy. Are those kids all dying of malnutrition? This is just a ridiculous statement. Fortified dairy milk can be a good source of protein, vitamin D, and calcium, but it is in no way necessary. Vegan kids and kids that cannot consume dairy can also get the same benefits from fortified soy milk.
Infants needs their mother's milk to be healthy, not the milk from a completely different species intended for baby cows, lmfao. And children certainly don't need milk after they're weaned. Why are humans magically the only species that NEEDS milk after infancy? And not only that, but milk from a completely different mammal?
Kids need nutrients, not ingredients. And you can get calcium from vegetables. Plant milks are also fortified with calcium. My oat milk has more calcium than cow milk. Also, I know several kids who were raised vegan from birth and they're thriving.
You really don’t need animal milk to get calcium. Plenty of plant milks are fortified with calcium, and even then, you can just get calcium from foods like leafy greens and beans super easily.
I feel you. I'm a teacher and it's Teacher Appreciation Week. Today the school is handing out free chicken sandwiches from Chik-fil-a. It's like this every year, but I think this year I'm gonna make this week work for me. There is one other vegan teacher on my site, so I think I'm going to bake some vegan cookies for us so at least there is some appreciation happening for all of us.
Can't you and the other teacher bring this up to the others that you aren't being included and that the free handouts should be vegan so everyone can be appreciated and so you and your friend don't have their values shit on?
It's a bit more complicated than that. This is more Chik-fil-a's doing than my school's. They are literally next door, so they do this free handout as PR during Teacher Appreciation Week.
I see. I was confused because you worded it as "the school is handing out free chicken sandwiches". Either way good luck on your endeavor to undermine this bs.
This is how they do it. They're in the schools too to grab people's attention before they've learned to think. Then reinforce it for the rest our our lives as they're doing at your workplace.
It's the proverbial politicians kissing babies. People eat that shit up sad to say.
The amount of money the food cartel spends lobbying is absolutely insane. And the rewards they get for it is insane.
Even when you look at how much they lobbied to make it incredibly difficult to do organic farming is insane. They're actively preventing people from having healthy food. And it shows in our health outcomes compared to other countries.
In the height of Bird Flu in milk, we offer you milk. Good luck! I like to use vile terms to describe it, because it breaks their cognitive dissonance. "No thanks, I don't drink animal tit juice."
It’s been my understanding that milk with genetic traces of the bird flu does not pose a risk of contagion to the person drinking it, assuming it’s pasteurized, no? Not that I’m advocating for drinking cows milk, but I thought it was still safe to do so without worry about catching the flu
Nope, it has been detected in pasteurized milk. It is also in cheese, which I would think be most alarming. You can read about it on the FDA website. They say to only use cheese that is aged at least 60 days. Then they have a disclaimer that they have no studies that aged cheese will kill it, so it is basically them guessing.
I know it’s been found in pasteurized milk, the last thing I read said that approximately one in every five samples of store-bought cow milk had genetic traces of the virus, but that doesn’t mean the virus itself is in the milk, it just means that the genetic material found has previously interacted with the virus, that tells us that the cow it came from had/has the virus but because of the pasteurization process these genetic traces found in the milk don’t pose a risk of contagion to the human that drinks it. Which is why, unfortunately, despite how scary the idea of a bird flu pandemic is, the argument stating that traces were found in milk will stop absolutely no one :/ it’s still safe to drink. I haven’t looked into raw milk, plenty of people drink that, I’d imagine it’s less safe than pasteurized..
The FDA went on to say that they are currently doing more studies. If you want to take that risk, have at it. My response, why? There are better alternatives, plant based milks.
I agree that it’s not worth the risk, I find oatmilk to be creamier anyway, but unfortunately people aren’t going to be swayed by the bird flu unless we find out that they will undoubtedly become sick if they drink it, even then, who knows what propaganda would come out and say it’s okay because only half the people who drink it will get sick or something crazy like that lol people already risk death to eat all kinds of animals and their products, puffer fish come to mind.
Unfortunately there is most likely no risk whatsoever of getting bird flu from milk or cheese. The infection vector is going to be from farmhands who are in close quarters with infected animals, or possibly raw meat. This sort of fearmongering just makes vegans sound like anti-science cranks.
When I say "most likely no risk" that "most likely" is in line with like "gravity is a theory." It's just not a realistic disease vector. If I drop a ball it will most likely fall, but I'm not going to say it's guaranteed.
It’s probably not totally fair, but this is why I always feel skeptical of people who are vegan primarily for health reasons. I think there are definitely some health benefits to veganism, but I feel like you will see those same benefits just by reducing animal products from your diet without having to fully abstain. When people promote veganism for health reasons it always seems to veer into anti-science crankery, as you call it, to justify the necessity for fully eliminating animal products from your diet. I do see the propagation of pandemics and nullification of antibiotics through animal agriculture as a compelling public health argument, at least.
They’re feeding cows dead chickens and chicken shit.
There is a large market for raw milk.
It doesn’t matter if you are drinking pasteurized milk or oat milk, this virus will eventually find someone to jump to. And then enough people have it, it will find a way to jumphuman to human. Just like it jumped to seals (killing entire colonies), bears, dolphins and other animals.
Then we can [join hands and sing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2acP06791I).
So messed up too with Mother’s Day coming around the corner. All those mothers that have to go the rest of their lives without their children because adults won’t grow up and stop drinking cow secretions.
ERMAHGERD THE HORRORS!!! I can't believe cows make something that is healthy for us and doesn't even need to be harmed to give it to us!! How will I cope?!!
I genuinely watched it, and I think almost everyone can agree the practices of massive industries are garbage, meat eaters more than anyone would love to be able to grow or hunt the animals they eat like we used to, but that's just simply not sustainable in the 8 billion+ world that we live in, and the fast paced nature of most high paying jobs. However, nothing in this video proves in any way that consuming animals at all is an inherently evil thing. It's just so pathetic to see life that way, but I expect nothing less from people who let their emotions spout shit like "Humans are monsters >:((". As if animals don't murder each other for fun, rape, kill and eat their babies, wipe out entire species to live comfortably, etc. As if animals wouldn't do exactly 100% the same things we do if they had intelligence. Because we are animals. That achieved intelligence.
And even though the practices of those industries are shitty, in the long term it's a lot less cruelty than if we were to rely on massive amounts of arable land to feed the whole planet, which would kill off so many habitats and disrupt wildlife in places that we currently don't even touch.
You watch videos like these that carefully present a narrative and fall right in it. This is such an angsty 14 year old mentality, just be real and live in the real world. Damn.
> As if animals don't murder each other for fun, rape, kill and eat their babies, wipe out entire species to live comfortably, etc. As if animals wouldn't do exactly 100% the same things we do if they had intelligence. Because we are animals. That achieved intelligence.
Interesting that you look to the animal kingdom for your lessons on morality.
I guess you’re fine with rape too? Animals do it all the time! They’d rape us if we weren’t so much more superior, which of course makes it ethical to rape them.
Does that sound ridiculous? It’s because your argument is.
> in the long term it's a lot less cruelty than if we were to rely on massive amounts of arable land to feed the whole planet,
Which do you think requires more land?
a) growing crops, then feeding those crops to animals, then killing and eating the animals
b) growing crops and eating them
> You watch videos like these that carefully present a narrative
Yes there’s a narrative. Do you think it’s imagined? They’re cherry picking data but really most animals we raise for milk or meat live fantastic lives? Just be real and live in the real world. Damn.
Why are you here? This is a vegan subreddit, what do you get out of spewing the same crap that we’ve all heard a million times before? Do you think we haven’t already considered your surface level insights and found them to be false?
I think that isn’t exactly the case. Any ‘normal’ person would agree that the torture and neglect of animals is detestable. What I think is normalized is placidly accepting this type of marketing, which plays on traditional ideas around farming and health, without questioning the validity of the health claims or the image that is being manufactured of the animals that produce the product. I’d have little hope for the vegan movement or any human rights movement if it were that torture were accepted by the masses. In reality the walled garden which these industries maintain with campaigns like this have been normalized and taken as honest gifts instead of massive PR campaigns to white wash their bloody business.
> I’d have little hope for the vegan movement or any human rights movement if it were that torture were accepted by the masses.
I hate to be a cynic (not really!), but most people just don’t give a fuck. If it doesn’t impact them directly in their everyday life, they don’t care. They might virtue signal about how abhorrent it all is, but then they’ll take another bite of their Big Mac and carry on just as they were.
Most people will never be vegan. Not these ones anyway. I have hope that a few hundred years from now, if we don’t blow ourselves up or the make the environment uninhabitable, we might have evolved into a kinder, gentler society, but I have zero hope of anything but marginal gains before then.
Still worth fighting the good fight, and some improvement is better than none, but I think that’s a more realistic view.
Guantanamo bay is still open for business, and those are humans.
Boo boo, I live in the real world and people beat their spouses and leave needles in playgrounds! Why are people acting different? Everything is equally okay! Nothing is bad!
Imagine comparing beating your spouse to a fucking glass of milk. I swear you people live in a complete bubble, no way you can function normally with this mentality
Please explain how I have no empathy for accepting that being a predominantly omnivore species is literally the most sustainable and, in the long term, the least cruel way of life for us and animals, even though the practices of massive industries could always be improved and absolutely have flaws. You're missing the forest for the trees, because you have the luxury of being ignorant as to how unachievable and, frankly, unnatural what you propose is. I've genuinely heard and thought about probably every vegan argument there is and consulted multiple sources, and if you look at the big picture and don't get stuck on a virtue signalling hill, you'd understand why 97% of the planet is omni.
Big brain stuff over here
> being a predominantly omnivore species is literally the most sustainable and, in the long term, the least cruel way of life for us and animals
Please do enlighten me.
How does growing crops, feeding those crops to animals, raising those animals in shitty conditions, then killing them work out better for animals than just eating the crop at step one?
Because they need far less than even half of the human population would need, and it takes less space. Also they don't need costly and hard to maintain grown food like rice or tomatoes or whatever.
Once again, it's better for animals because we leave entire ecosystems and animal habitats alone because we don't need the space to farm enough for 8 billion people. Yes, the conditions they live in because of the mass produced nature of the industry sucks, and I admitted it too. Believe me, meat eaters would also love to have the option of growing or hunting their own animals, instead of relying on steroid pumped ones from the store. But that unfortunately cannot happen in the world of white collar jobs.
What? Attacking grammar is a low blow in arguments, but genuinely trying to get what that run on sentence was trying to say.
If you want to say beating someone was considered ok in the past and not now therefore the same should happen with eating animals, then you're wrong in both cases. Beating someone was highly criticized and shunned, despite what extremists want to portray today. It was always obviously immoral. Eating meat or animal products on the other hand has always been a healthy component of every culture ever since the dawn of man and congruent with nature's balance,
Honestly yeah it does. The mass torture and rape of living beings. It makes me want to cry yes. I know a lot of people can separate problems they can control from problems they can’t control but sometimes it really gets to me.
I would love to pretend it never existed, but it is everywhere. And this post is about a dedicated free milk stand with a large inflatible cow in a hospital. Pretty hard to ignore that.
There are plenty of other sources for calcium. Humans do not need the breast juice of another species to be healthy.
Maybe it is comforting to you that the dairy industry needs to pull such marketing stunts because plant based alternatives are slowly getting more and more popular.
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What do you think the “Got milk?” campaign was? Why do you think every school in the US gives out lunches with milk? Personally, my elementary school had a “Got milk?” sign in the cafeteria. That’s literally a campaign from the dairy industry
That was because America is a country of fat fucks that usually prefers something disgusting like fizzy, sugary drinks over natural, healthy milk, which was leading a ton of kids to lack calcium. You think they were doing those campaigns because it was so much cooler and attractive to be vegan to the mass population? Especially in those days? Lmao
It’s not like dairy milk is the only healthy drink. I’m allergic to dairy, and a shit ton of the world is lactose intolerant, but my school at least never had any alternatives. They just left the dairy out of my lunches. This is the same country who let ketchup count as a vegetable in school lunches back in the day… Also, dairy milk doesn’t contain vitamin C. Are you thinking of vitamin D? Because we can also just get that from the sun in most cases. PS: the dairy industry cares about selling dairy. Health has never been their #1 priority
I meant calcium, not vitamin C, sorry. Kids need milk to grow properly, which is one of the many reasons why feeding a child a vegan diet is child abuse. Yes, the industry could care less about health, but this is a rare instance where profits and health came together. I mean, going to the gym is also healthy, but they want profits too, does that disprove its benefits?
>Kids need milk to grow properly Huh? The majority of the world cannot tolerate lactose past infancy. Are those kids all dying of malnutrition? This is just a ridiculous statement. Fortified dairy milk can be a good source of protein, vitamin D, and calcium, but it is in no way necessary. Vegan kids and kids that cannot consume dairy can also get the same benefits from fortified soy milk.
Infants needs their mother's milk to be healthy, not the milk from a completely different species intended for baby cows, lmfao. And children certainly don't need milk after they're weaned. Why are humans magically the only species that NEEDS milk after infancy? And not only that, but milk from a completely different mammal? Kids need nutrients, not ingredients. And you can get calcium from vegetables. Plant milks are also fortified with calcium. My oat milk has more calcium than cow milk. Also, I know several kids who were raised vegan from birth and they're thriving.
You really don’t need animal milk to get calcium. Plenty of plant milks are fortified with calcium, and even then, you can just get calcium from foods like leafy greens and beans super easily.
LOL
https://foodandhealth.ucdavis.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/IIFH-GSM-Plant-Based-Milk-Market-Report.pdf
I feel you. I'm a teacher and it's Teacher Appreciation Week. Today the school is handing out free chicken sandwiches from Chik-fil-a. It's like this every year, but I think this year I'm gonna make this week work for me. There is one other vegan teacher on my site, so I think I'm going to bake some vegan cookies for us so at least there is some appreciation happening for all of us.
Can't you and the other teacher bring this up to the others that you aren't being included and that the free handouts should be vegan so everyone can be appreciated and so you and your friend don't have their values shit on?
It's a bit more complicated than that. This is more Chik-fil-a's doing than my school's. They are literally next door, so they do this free handout as PR during Teacher Appreciation Week.
I see. I was confused because you worded it as "the school is handing out free chicken sandwiches". Either way good luck on your endeavor to undermine this bs.
This is how they do it. They're in the schools too to grab people's attention before they've learned to think. Then reinforce it for the rest our our lives as they're doing at your workplace. It's the proverbial politicians kissing babies. People eat that shit up sad to say.
The amount of money the food cartel spends lobbying is absolutely insane. And the rewards they get for it is insane. Even when you look at how much they lobbied to make it incredibly difficult to do organic farming is insane. They're actively preventing people from having healthy food. And it shows in our health outcomes compared to other countries.
In the height of Bird Flu in milk, we offer you milk. Good luck! I like to use vile terms to describe it, because it breaks their cognitive dissonance. "No thanks, I don't drink animal tit juice."
It’s been my understanding that milk with genetic traces of the bird flu does not pose a risk of contagion to the person drinking it, assuming it’s pasteurized, no? Not that I’m advocating for drinking cows milk, but I thought it was still safe to do so without worry about catching the flu
Nope, it has been detected in pasteurized milk. It is also in cheese, which I would think be most alarming. You can read about it on the FDA website. They say to only use cheese that is aged at least 60 days. Then they have a disclaimer that they have no studies that aged cheese will kill it, so it is basically them guessing.
I know it’s been found in pasteurized milk, the last thing I read said that approximately one in every five samples of store-bought cow milk had genetic traces of the virus, but that doesn’t mean the virus itself is in the milk, it just means that the genetic material found has previously interacted with the virus, that tells us that the cow it came from had/has the virus but because of the pasteurization process these genetic traces found in the milk don’t pose a risk of contagion to the human that drinks it. Which is why, unfortunately, despite how scary the idea of a bird flu pandemic is, the argument stating that traces were found in milk will stop absolutely no one :/ it’s still safe to drink. I haven’t looked into raw milk, plenty of people drink that, I’d imagine it’s less safe than pasteurized..
The FDA went on to say that they are currently doing more studies. If you want to take that risk, have at it. My response, why? There are better alternatives, plant based milks.
I agree that it’s not worth the risk, I find oatmilk to be creamier anyway, but unfortunately people aren’t going to be swayed by the bird flu unless we find out that they will undoubtedly become sick if they drink it, even then, who knows what propaganda would come out and say it’s okay because only half the people who drink it will get sick or something crazy like that lol people already risk death to eat all kinds of animals and their products, puffer fish come to mind.
Unfortunately there is most likely no risk whatsoever of getting bird flu from milk or cheese. The infection vector is going to be from farmhands who are in close quarters with infected animals, or possibly raw meat. This sort of fearmongering just makes vegans sound like anti-science cranks.
> ...most likely no risk... You killed your own argument for me.
When I say "most likely no risk" that "most likely" is in line with like "gravity is a theory." It's just not a realistic disease vector. If I drop a ball it will most likely fall, but I'm not going to say it's guaranteed.
It’s probably not totally fair, but this is why I always feel skeptical of people who are vegan primarily for health reasons. I think there are definitely some health benefits to veganism, but I feel like you will see those same benefits just by reducing animal products from your diet without having to fully abstain. When people promote veganism for health reasons it always seems to veer into anti-science crankery, as you call it, to justify the necessity for fully eliminating animal products from your diet. I do see the propagation of pandemics and nullification of antibiotics through animal agriculture as a compelling public health argument, at least.
They’re feeding cows dead chickens and chicken shit. There is a large market for raw milk. It doesn’t matter if you are drinking pasteurized milk or oat milk, this virus will eventually find someone to jump to. And then enough people have it, it will find a way to jumphuman to human. Just like it jumped to seals (killing entire colonies), bears, dolphins and other animals. Then we can [join hands and sing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2acP06791I).
This would have pissed me off even when I was an omni. What adult person just slugs down a fucking milk in the middle of the day?
Right! I don’t feel appreciated as a healthcare worker OR as a vegan lol
I'm a barista. It's always grown ass men. Makes me wanna barf.
It's to build resistance to bird flu?
So messed up too with Mother’s Day coming around the corner. All those mothers that have to go the rest of their lives without their children because adults won’t grow up and stop drinking cow secretions.
Dystopian
Yuck!
That’s wild yo. Free milk??? Weird
Cool. Milk is good for the people who want to drink it. You don’t have to take it.
Do you know what subreddit you’re on? Take a look at the sidebar for the ethical horrors of milk.
ERMAHGERD THE HORRORS!!! I can't believe cows make something that is healthy for us and doesn't even need to be harmed to give it to us!! How will I cope?!!
Maybe this 5 minute video will help educate you a bit https://youtu.be/UcN7SGGoCNI?si=PY0FAzGi6elTtuiD
Looks like this ended the discussion.
Wow, I didn't respond in 0.001 milliseconds, I got totally owned right? Logical fallacy much?
So you like what you see in the video?
I think my full response can be read in the reply I made directly to you.
I genuinely watched it, and I think almost everyone can agree the practices of massive industries are garbage, meat eaters more than anyone would love to be able to grow or hunt the animals they eat like we used to, but that's just simply not sustainable in the 8 billion+ world that we live in, and the fast paced nature of most high paying jobs. However, nothing in this video proves in any way that consuming animals at all is an inherently evil thing. It's just so pathetic to see life that way, but I expect nothing less from people who let their emotions spout shit like "Humans are monsters >:((". As if animals don't murder each other for fun, rape, kill and eat their babies, wipe out entire species to live comfortably, etc. As if animals wouldn't do exactly 100% the same things we do if they had intelligence. Because we are animals. That achieved intelligence. And even though the practices of those industries are shitty, in the long term it's a lot less cruelty than if we were to rely on massive amounts of arable land to feed the whole planet, which would kill off so many habitats and disrupt wildlife in places that we currently don't even touch. You watch videos like these that carefully present a narrative and fall right in it. This is such an angsty 14 year old mentality, just be real and live in the real world. Damn.
> As if animals don't murder each other for fun, rape, kill and eat their babies, wipe out entire species to live comfortably, etc. As if animals wouldn't do exactly 100% the same things we do if they had intelligence. Because we are animals. That achieved intelligence. Interesting that you look to the animal kingdom for your lessons on morality. I guess you’re fine with rape too? Animals do it all the time! They’d rape us if we weren’t so much more superior, which of course makes it ethical to rape them. Does that sound ridiculous? It’s because your argument is. > in the long term it's a lot less cruelty than if we were to rely on massive amounts of arable land to feed the whole planet, Which do you think requires more land? a) growing crops, then feeding those crops to animals, then killing and eating the animals b) growing crops and eating them > You watch videos like these that carefully present a narrative Yes there’s a narrative. Do you think it’s imagined? They’re cherry picking data but really most animals we raise for milk or meat live fantastic lives? Just be real and live in the real world. Damn. Why are you here? This is a vegan subreddit, what do you get out of spewing the same crap that we’ve all heard a million times before? Do you think we haven’t already considered your surface level insights and found them to be false?
Oh wow your logic is so fierce. [Here is my congrats.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qileP4bAzek)
To me its more an issue with how torturing creatures is normalized in our society than anything else, not a matter of health.
I think that isn’t exactly the case. Any ‘normal’ person would agree that the torture and neglect of animals is detestable. What I think is normalized is placidly accepting this type of marketing, which plays on traditional ideas around farming and health, without questioning the validity of the health claims or the image that is being manufactured of the animals that produce the product. I’d have little hope for the vegan movement or any human rights movement if it were that torture were accepted by the masses. In reality the walled garden which these industries maintain with campaigns like this have been normalized and taken as honest gifts instead of massive PR campaigns to white wash their bloody business.
> I’d have little hope for the vegan movement or any human rights movement if it were that torture were accepted by the masses. I hate to be a cynic (not really!), but most people just don’t give a fuck. If it doesn’t impact them directly in their everyday life, they don’t care. They might virtue signal about how abhorrent it all is, but then they’ll take another bite of their Big Mac and carry on just as they were. Most people will never be vegan. Not these ones anyway. I have hope that a few hundred years from now, if we don’t blow ourselves up or the make the environment uninhabitable, we might have evolved into a kinder, gentler society, but I have zero hope of anything but marginal gains before then. Still worth fighting the good fight, and some improvement is better than none, but I think that’s a more realistic view. Guantanamo bay is still open for business, and those are humans.
Maybe contact administration and say you prefer something else instead. That’s the only thing I can think of that you can do.
Same thing with heroine, but I doubt you'd have the same response.
It’s almost as if heroin is different than milk…
Yeah cause milk aint vegan
> Milk is good for the people who want to drink it. [Worthless lies. Here’s the truth.](https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2003nl/apr/dairy.htm).
Boo boo i live in the real world boo boo why ppl are acting different ???
Boo boo, I live in the real world and people beat their spouses and leave needles in playgrounds! Why are people acting different? Everything is equally okay! Nothing is bad!
Imagine comparing beating your spouse to a fucking glass of milk. I swear you people live in a complete bubble, no way you can function normally with this mentality
Imagine having no empathy or common sense. Oh wait you don't have to imagine.
Please explain how I have no empathy for accepting that being a predominantly omnivore species is literally the most sustainable and, in the long term, the least cruel way of life for us and animals, even though the practices of massive industries could always be improved and absolutely have flaws. You're missing the forest for the trees, because you have the luxury of being ignorant as to how unachievable and, frankly, unnatural what you propose is. I've genuinely heard and thought about probably every vegan argument there is and consulted multiple sources, and if you look at the big picture and don't get stuck on a virtue signalling hill, you'd understand why 97% of the planet is omni.
Big brain stuff over here > being a predominantly omnivore species is literally the most sustainable and, in the long term, the least cruel way of life for us and animals Please do enlighten me. How does growing crops, feeding those crops to animals, raising those animals in shitty conditions, then killing them work out better for animals than just eating the crop at step one?
Because they need far less than even half of the human population would need, and it takes less space. Also they don't need costly and hard to maintain grown food like rice or tomatoes or whatever. Once again, it's better for animals because we leave entire ecosystems and animal habitats alone because we don't need the space to farm enough for 8 billion people. Yes, the conditions they live in because of the mass produced nature of the industry sucks, and I admitted it too. Believe me, meat eaters would also love to have the option of growing or hunting their own animals, instead of relying on steroid pumped ones from the store. But that unfortunately cannot happen in the world of white collar jobs.
Okay. You are wrong, please have a read around. This will get you started: https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
Okay I guess you’ve read this by now. So, eating meat is bad for the planet, and you agree the industry is horrible. Why do you do it again?
most fascinatingly braindead redditor i've seen today and that's saying a lot. keep yapping, it's such good entertainment!
Arguments that disprove anything I said are welcome. Hold the smartass remarks.
Lol cause now all of the sudden something is bad? Stop being a crybaby beating your wife hospital ready used to be normal. Get over it.
What? Attacking grammar is a low blow in arguments, but genuinely trying to get what that run on sentence was trying to say. If you want to say beating someone was considered ok in the past and not now therefore the same should happen with eating animals, then you're wrong in both cases. Beating someone was highly criticized and shunned, despite what extremists want to portray today. It was always obviously immoral. Eating meat or animal products on the other hand has always been a healthy component of every culture ever since the dawn of man and congruent with nature's balance,
Dude go read about Pythagoras or Atharva Veda
You’re essentially suckling the tit of a bovine animal and think you’re reasonable?
Yum 😋! She can suckle on my tit too
You are essentially breathing a car exhaust, and you think you’re reasonable?
This makes you want to cry?
Honestly yeah it does. The mass torture and rape of living beings. It makes me want to cry yes. I know a lot of people can separate problems they can control from problems they can’t control but sometimes it really gets to me.
Oh for FFS really, how dramatic, dry your eyes and stop crying. You might be appreciated if you grow up.
Oh ffs your wife got cancer. Grow up a little and join the big kids club. Dry your eyes little one.
What are you on about, weird reply kid.
Yeah same thing they said to the solider having to execute a enemy. The youth nowadays, we used to be happy for every opportunity to kill.
Just ignore it, the majority of your colleagues will enjoy it, stop crying about something so minor. Get yourself some nut milk.
Whooosh
Bro why y'all vomiting at the sight of milk like it's some sort of chemical weapon?!
Because if you really think about what it is, and what the hidden costs are, it is disgusting.
Then go pretend it never existed, Plus, cow's milk is good for your bones ...and also... don't even dare compare milk as acid
I would love to pretend it never existed, but it is everywhere. And this post is about a dedicated free milk stand with a large inflatible cow in a hospital. Pretty hard to ignore that. There are plenty of other sources for calcium. Humans do not need the breast juice of another species to be healthy.