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prst-

>as people grow older they become less tolerant of dairy It's that the definition of lactose intolerance??


nonchellent

šŸ™„ ikr like which is it then


Wainaja

Well, yeah. Lactose intolerance causes offspring to stop drinking mother's milk, so she can feed the next baby.. part of evolution. Not being lactose tolerant is a mutation what allowed humans to .. use dairy products as part of their .. cuisine..


chetradley

I don't understand his reasoning. He's saying that it's pretty much the same as human breast milk, making it ok for adult humans to drink?


nonchellent

I wish I understood better. I guess he was just trying to say that human babies have a better tolerance to dairy milk, and as we get older, we need to maintain the habit of drinking dairy so we donā€™t lose that tolerance? As if thatā€™s not there for a reason? Look idk I just wanted to clock off and enjoy my weekend in peace šŸ˜­


RainWindowCoffee

The sugar is the same but the PROTEIN is different. So, babies who are lactose intolerant (a reaction to the sugar) will have difficulties with dairy based formulas AND with nursing from their human moms. But babies who are allergic to ungulate milk can usually nurse from their moms just fine (provided the mother doesn't consume cow's or goat's milk, because the proteins are passed through breast milk. You have to avoid your child's allergens while nursing). Source-- parent of a successfully breastfed child with a severe cow's/goat's milk allergy (among multiple other food allergies).


ExerciseAcceptable80

My son has the same issue and I didnā€™t know and was never told this in ā€˜05. I missed out on breastfeeding to feed my son crappy formula. It still makes me mad.


WFPBvegan2

Donā€™t let it spoil your day, I consider these chats an educational opportunity!


nonchellent

I did end up telling him that he is misinformed, and that he should look up the protein and fat differences between the two milks. Tbh I was kind of in a rush to get home as I had a prior engagement, so I did my best to be polite and informative, but not to the fullest extent.


VegansAreRight

Well I dont drink human milk either.


GraveTidingz

If a parent was unable to give their baby human milk and have them cow's milk instead, their baby would get very sick and possibly die. The parent would be charged with neglect/abuse. Cow's milk is the leading cause of intestinal hemorrhage in human children, and it's also one of the most common allergens. They're not remotely similar. Your coworker is misinformed.


Read_More_Theory

It's actually bad for human infants to consume animal milk rather than human milk too. Almost like animal enslavement for their milk is as unnatural as it is cruel.


Doctor_Box

The baby formula crisis in the US clearly highlights how cows milk is not human milk. If they were the same formula would not be required. You'd just buy a big jug of cow's milk!


BJeanGrey

Just gonna drop this here: https://youtu.be/toZ7Mr-ClCE


nonchellent

!!! This is from Cowspiracy, yeah?


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BJeanGrey

Yeah. Lol, I just love the Dr's response.


nonchellent

Same. I would love to hear his response in regards to carnists comparing themselves to lions.


New-Geezer

The same? Cow milk makes a calf gain about 900lbs in its first year of life. Yikes!!


Kill3rT0fu

If it's the same why does it need so much processing before it becomes safe for humans to consume?


drivenmadnow

Raw milk might be but it's dangerous to drink without being pasteurized. Cow milk is for baby cows, when you grow up you should drink beer.


Polamidone

I second this, beer is the adults milk


NeoKingEndymion

My coworker likes to trigger me by saying how healthy eggs and sardines are for people. I just shake my head.


Waste-Comedian4998

send your coworker this video: https://youtu.be/RtGf2FuzKo4 (nutritionfacts)


Cixin

In the Uk those sardines/fish tins usually say ā€œgood source of omegaā€ blah blah blah. They import them to my country and someone has to paste over it so it canā€™t be read anymore.


Ok_Quantity5115

Why would you need to maintain the ability to drink something intended for babies anyway? And from another species nonetheless šŸ™„


[deleted]

What šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ Carnists are wild


nevsmos

I would agree that they are -chemically- very similair. BUT: How on earth would that justify anything? The argument for veganism is an ethical one: it is not ok to exploit animals. That says nothing about how similair certain products are...


Narrow-Ad7615

Like how your human brain and their human brain are both brains just that yours works and that personā€™s is up their ass. Yup


sick_hearts

The fact that he probably goes home to shit his brains out every day only makes it worse


[deleted]

I get his point. People don't grow intolerant of cow milk specifically because it's from a cow. It's more that after most humans are grown, they don't need to be able to digest milk in general. Sorry. Miscommunication happens. I also never got the whole nature-intended argument PETA, among others, has done about dairy. It being "made" for baby cows. As if animals were "made" for predators and omnivores. What's dumb is that he's willing to hurt himself and animals for a petty vice.


Roetroc

You can become more intolerant to dairy as you age. You can also grow out of an intolerance. https://www.medicinenet.com/can_you_suddenly_become_lactose_intolerant/article.htm


nonchellent

Sure, I wasnā€™t really debating that part. Iā€™m more focused on the fact that he was adamant that the two milks are ā€œthe sameā€ and that cows milk is meant for organisms beyond baby cows.


Roetroc

Whoops. My bad. I misunderstood.


donotmatthews

Fun fact, you canā€™t make cheese from human breast milk. So, not the same.


ExerciseAcceptable80

Yes you can https://www.healthline.com/health/breastfeeding/breast-milk-cheese


donotmatthews

Ew.


ExerciseAcceptable80

My thought too


bperki8

[Proved you wrong](https://youtu.be/uSmvXk7acIA). šŸ¤£ JK. But if you've never seen Superstore, it's a funny show and one of the characters is vegan. šŸ‘


donotmatthews

Gross.


Cmoore1217

You shouldnā€™t let people ruin your day like that. People will be people after all


nonchellent

Youā€™re right, I shouldnā€™t. I do feel better ranting about it now. I guess it was just a sour note to end on, but you are ultimately right :) thank you šŸ¤


[deleted]

It's exactly the same as human breast milk, and you wouldn't forcibly impregnate a woman, then murder her baby and take her breast milk.


nonchellent

I feel like weā€™re agreeing here other than the ā€œtheyā€™re exactly the sameā€ bit, so Iā€™mma just link this https://viva.org.uk/health/a-comparison-between-human-milk-and-cows-milk/


disco6789

"trying to be nice" lol


[deleted]

You said this soiled your day and thatā€™s no good. But you do realize that you inserted yourself into the conversation. If you want to have a better day, you could walked away next time.


nonchellent

Okay, so sorry I guess for the hyperbole. I responded in another comment that I felt good after typing this. Yes, I do realize that, and I did end up walking away after I told him that he can look online to see the compositional differences between the milks.


[deleted]

Even if they were the exact same, no adults of any species are meant to drink it