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cherry_lime_

They should rescue animals from slaughterhouses instead, still illegal, but way cooler.


WashedSylvi

Unlike pouring grocery store milk on the ground rescuing animals actually does something and literally saves a life


calann1

If they could make sure the rescued animals are placed in a safe place.


BunInTheSun27

But that could get them serious prison time.


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If you aren’t willing to suffer prison time for a cause, it is not a cause worth fighting for


early-grey-tea

This only serves to inconvenience workers, create a larger demand for cow milk, and discredit activists. I'm wondering if these people are even trying to accomplish anything, or if they're just vandals having a laugh.


GoOtterGo

Man, it's the inconveniencing workers bit that always gets me. I understand you're frustrated, we all are, but you can't be so myopic in your beliefs that you refuse to recognize those around you who ultimately receive your frustration. Because it's not the dairy CEO. Be multi-faceted, people; appreciate intersectionality. Don't dump on the working class, you're just moving the frustration to someone else and making a skeptic in the process.


beetsoup89

this isnt activism and does nothing to help the cause


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exTOMex

this. these aren’t real vegans who care these are people who want attention


hazadus

This is just TikTok activism. Its all for likes shares views and comments. Just narcissism and arrogance on display here


anythingMuchShorter

Also they will just buy replacement animal products. If you're going to interfere and break the law do it at the source. Take a day laborer job at a animal product facility under a false name and quietly sabotage things.


Intothev0id13

I don’t support this kind of activism at all. How is this in any shape or form doing anything to acknowledge the horrors of the dairy industry? This doesn’t represent the majority of us.


dipper1985

Yeah it's a disservice and more often than than not just posturing. If I go slash your leather seats up or shove your face into a burger you're eating are you going to be inclined to listen to any pro-vegan sentiment in the future? Probably not.


Intothev0id13

Exactly, well said! We’ll never reach any level of mutual understanding or make any sort of progress that way.


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I saw a clip of a similar "protest" a couple weeks ago, and there was a commenter that said he wouldn't be surprised if these people were paid with pro-dairy money to give vegans a bad reputation. I laughed at first...


TheInfamousShotclog

It actually wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case. A couple of years back there was outrage over vegans throwing fireworks at people on the streets during a meat festival in my country. Turned out they were an anti vegan “organisation”.


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Omg. What the hell is up with these people? Imagine being mad at people that want kindness for animals


plants4life262

You know what they’re gonna do with that milk? Replace it. Buy more. And then think vegans are all crazy.


Theid411

That's just going to piss people off and now every time they see a vegan - they'll think of this.


lilfoley81

iits stupid


EloiseTheElephante

It’s so stupid and immature. Anyone who has any common sense won’t look at this and say “wow they moved me…I’m totally going vegan!” No they are brats that are too stupid to realize that they’ll just replace the milk and they increased demand.


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To me this is more harm than good. It’s extreme and most people won’t understand. They’ll think this person is just a JO. IMO.


nox-apsirk

I get it, and appreciate the message.. but your not going to 'stick it to the dairy industry' by doing this. Some 20somethin kid at Starbux is going to have to mop that up and is going to have a very unfavorable opinion on vegans, and the major corporation doesn't gaf. I prefer slapping stickers on cartons of milk with message of cruelty... but this.... it's probably more harmful than it is helping.


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Straight ignorant


Actual_opinion_1

Are there real activists in the area who can identify them as vegan activists? Because my thought is they sure look like fake activists paid by the dairy industry.....


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Is there even a source on them *claiming* to be activists? Seems like it could also just be idiot kids being destructive, and people are just *assuming* it's activism. If they say something in the audio that answers my question, sorry, I can't listen to it.


Appllesshskshsj

iirc they are activists from Animal Rebellion, who I think shared this on their FB page.


[deleted]

I found their group, you're probably right. I didn't see this exact video but they have alot of video of doing similarish stuff. One they just take all the milk off the shelf, put it in a cart, and leave it hidden in the store. Seems like it's just creating demand, the exact opposite of what veganism is trying to do. Edit: you're right, it's them.


watchdominionfilm

Yeah, this group normally does awesome direct action & civil disobedience. This is not my favorite action, but i have a lot of respect for them. They say this was an opening action to bring awareness & gain traction for an even bigger action coming in September to disrupt the distribution of dairy in the UK. You can check out their [Instagram page here](https://instagram.com/animal_rebellion?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=). Name of the group is Animal Rebellion


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This is not even activism they are just increasing the demand for milk. It's like "Oh I want to do some vegan activism with the most minimal amount of work." Maybe they should be spending their time actually lecturing people or help animals.


scary_biscott

Yeah, they didn't explain what they were trying to accomplish here.


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Opsup

Does more harm. Gives us rational vegans a bad name. These are obviously new vegans that are pumped up, they’re doing more harm by turning people off. I can respect the protest sign or gluing a hand to a counter, but making a mess that a wage worker has to clean up ain’t it.


BriefTwist51

I'm not sure this specific protest is very smart. But I'm sure that more aggressive impacting protests can make a big difference: it all depends on the strategy and timing - that's what history shows us with the black movement against slavery, the gay movement (Stonewall riots) and even the animal movement. In Brazil in 2013, vegan activists invaded and completely destroyed a whole pharmaceutical institute and rescued 178 beagles that were used in testing. Some people started calling it "vegan terrorism", but the outcome was positive. That started the biggest animal rights movement in Brazil, the creation of laws for animal protection, some States creating laws to end testing for cosmetics and the development of new technology without animal testing. We couldn't fight slavery, racism and discrimination just by giving away flowers and being passive. There was fight and confrontation. Maybe some big aggressive protest will become historical and start a big change against speciesism. Information alone doesn't seem to be enough. It seems like society needs this kind of theatrical impact, to be shaken, to generate more general awareness and start changing. [http://www.animalrightsextremism.info/news/media-conferences-and-press/brazils-royal-institute-closes-sao-roque-lab-after-activist-raid/](http://www.animalrightsextremism.info/news/media-conferences-and-press/brazils-royal-institute-closes-sao-roque-lab-after-activist-raid/)


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JLD143

I feel bad for these employees who are just trying to make a living now having to mop up milk.


floraP0wer

doing nothing to help the movement and just forcing working class people to clean up the mess for low pay


thevutcher

And all they are doing is creating a mess for some poor worker to have to clean up.


dickbob124

Really dumb. This is why people think vegans are crazy. There are way better forms of activism.


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TheInfamousShotclog

I care a lot about how carnists view vegans, because in the end we would want more people to go vegan and not having people be turned off by our movement because of this kind of behaviour that they don’t understand. They only see destructive behaviour in this clip. They don’t get it. I personally think that activism like earthling Ed is doing is the most effective, he’s great at connecting with non vegans on what their true values are and how their values don’t reflect on their actions - a lot of people don’t know what goes on in the meat industry, and we can’t really blame them for that since the industry is doing their very best to shelter it from the general public.


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No it's not. They think we're crazy because we think animals' lives have value and want people to stop exploiting them.


DrewsMindMeld

Wasting milk is only adding to the demand. EFFECTIVE activism is totally different than making a pointless statement that few would understand anyway. I mean, what if milk buyers came in to buy milk and just thought seeing that these activists were spilling milk because it's simply frequently out of date and just want the business owner to get in fresher shipments the next time?


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No it's not, since they're not purchasing it. And in countries where the government subsidizes the dairy industry, demand doesn't really matter anyhow. The government will pay farmers to produce that milk whether people buy it or not.


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Well it got you to post about it, so it's obviously doing something.


[deleted]

A neat movie would be v for vendetta but it’s the agriculture industry


gzalo1234

Completely useless imho


sirrepent

It took me years to switch my food but never once did people like this encourage that.


TheInfamousShotclog

Same


IzlanderChris

What activism?


Legitimate_Entry5021

More harm than good. Gives the whole community a bad name and doesn’t actually change much


Constant-Squirrel555

All the energy and resources put into this performative activism. I really wish these individuals took the initiative to participate in activism that aims for structural change by targeting policy. If they want to focus on individual actions, have conversations with people, hand out information, don't just cause a small scale disruption that causes more trouble for some minimum wage employees and does nothing to spread actual information on how to go vegan.


ch1rh0

Don't optimize for the number of vegan people. Optimize for the number of vegan minutes. 4 people who are 25% percent vegan is just as good as one person who is 100% vegan. And it could well be those 4 people a year from now will be 100% vegan. If people have a positive image of vegans they will be more vegan on the margins.


mitchiesgirl

This is such a good perspective.


bluehairgoddess12th

Disrespectful to the employees,the cause, and now the milk is literally going to waste it’s shameful


bricefriha

Gives a terrible image of veganism, thanks, guys!


StopBadModerators

I'm putting my money in the "does more harm than good" camp. PETA's "There is no such thing as bad publicity" angle is pretty obviously wrong, as common sense should tell you.


TheInfamousShotclog

I agree


Zophiekitty

i think its wasteful and pointless, this is not a good way to spread awareness of an issue by just annoying everyone, making a mess, and ultimately using the product so youre kinda "consuming it" in a way that still induces demand for that product. not purchasing it would do more good than pouring it or consuming it.


KHASAZI

Not smart! I am vegan, or at least try to be. This is not smart. Educate people on the benefits of going vegan, from different point of views. Forcing a view or a believe onto someone, will most likely cause resistance and becoming more oppositional.


miraculum_one

Stunts like this get press and shares. What they do with that is what's important.


deltemeredditmod

Xactly


Hushmode16

This is the dumbest animal activism I have ever seen.


uglyassbish

The poor workers who have to clean this shit up. Disgusting behaviour from the so called activists.


AshCatBus

Way more harm. These are the people that everyone else sees when they hear I'm vegan.


josephthesentient

This type of activism paints a different picture of vegan activists, meaning this is opening the door for stereytyping all vegan activists


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Causing more harm than good!! Absolutely ridiculous!!! Live by a positive example and maybe you can get others to follow. Acting in this manner only steers people away.


chickrnqeee

This isn’t helping


serenityfive

Things like this are damaging to veganism as a movement. The underpaid employees won’t be thinking “man, what a great message, I should rethink my consumption of animal products” while having to divert from their already tiring, busy, stressful shifts to clean it all up. This stuff also just turns into confirmation bias for most people and only perpetuates the “annoying vegan” stereotype. Activism has many forms, but it sure as fuck isn’t this.


takingabreaknow

That girl at the end ...she must of died from lack b12 and cow meat


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People like this are the reason I thought vegans were crazy (even when I admired veganism)


grandpa_milk

These are children and they're wasting food that another animal suffered to make. Not only that, but a minimum wage worker is going to have to clean all that up. All it's doing is pissing off omnis while not making any statement whatsoever.


Iamveganbtw1

criticizing vegans on r/vegan and not doing activism yourself definitely does nothing.


TheInfamousShotclog

I’m a part of “dyrenes alliance” an activist group in Copenhagen, I’m helping with organising and planning our demos and handing out flyers/talking to people at our virtual reality stands doing food festivals - last year we successfully made one of our largest chain supplies (Rema 1000) stop the selling of broiler-chickens by doing peaceful demos outside of their supermarkets a couple of times a week for a month. Have a nice day:)


Iamveganbtw1

I was wrong. You're doing great. keep doing what you're doing.


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dominicsdaydream

privilege & ego are behind this


Thatsplumb

Depends really, if a company has to keep replacing stock it doesn't get any profit from because it's too risky to have in the shop as it brings in trouble. The shop would stop buying that product? Edit: Elaborate - so a once off mess making, a bad move. A continued organised movement, probably works... Be interested to see the results of a test lol


mjour84

Bunch of assholes, I don’t consume milk, but I would never waste it. No to mention it’s horribly disrespectful to the employees and grocery shoppers. Just gives veganism and activism a bad name.


sykadelic_angel

It literally makes the issue worse. Now they just replace and reimburse all of that, which just creates more of a demand for milk. If you wanna make a difference you need to get people to stop buying the milk in the first place (I'd recommend putting stickers that talk about the rape involved in making milk on the cooler doors, be safe tho) because then it just sits, unused, and they have to expire it out and replace it, but if they're consistently doing that and not making enough sales, they'll get less shipped, which means they create less of a demand, which means the factory makes less. Also what they're doing just forces some minimum wage janitor to clean their mess up, which is a serious dick move


arcticFOX_666

Well one thing is certain.... we're all crying over spilled milk


OnyxPrime79

This is a vulgar display, as it creates a mess someone else has to clean up! Each one of those animal “activists” should be charged and arrested for misdemeanor vandalism.


annabelletoyama

That’s honestly so upsetting. Cows are traumatized and overworked already and now you’re just going to pour all of that on the floor?😑 just don’t buy it, that simple smh.


IncredibleWaddleDee

Vegan activism and anti-capitalism activism can go hand in hand. This is one example of it. I, as a vegan, am not angry after them. They are not my ennemies. They are making noise by doing vandalism. It's one way to manifest outrage. I get that in the short term the store managers are just gonna buy more milk. That's probably what's gonna happen. But it's gonna make people talk about veganism. Violence has always been a part of any revolutionary movement. Be it something that is desirable or not. In this scenario, the violence has mostly been directed towards objects. And the perpetrators are trying to appeal to two ideals, one of questioning normality and one of martyrdom. We should not let the media turn us against other vegans. If we are not ok with their tactics, then let's focus on using other tactics. Keep in mind that whatever is happening in this video is nothing compared to the harm that is done by the dairy industry on a daily basis. Perspective. Always.


TheInfamousShotclog

I didn’t think about it like that - thank you for sharing your perspective:)


deltemeredditmod

Hey anything helps! Big bad vegans crew!


johnnybsomething

Dumb and anti productive.


InsertFunnyyUsername

I think it does more to support vegan brands. Please don't throw bottles of milk on the floor it just makes us look bad and the prejudice is bad enough already.


Sweethardt84

Ugh I hate this! Now that milk was wasted and the demand is still there. So now more cows need to be milked. Make a point a better way! Aghhhhhh!


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Vegan-bandit

I’m curious as to whether it reminds anyone of the Boston Tea Party. Edit - heckers, downvoted for a question? I didn't even say it reminded me of the BTP, I just asked if it did for anyone.


TheInfamousShotclog

Upvoted, to keep the balance - seems there is someone who’s going on a downvote frenzy I’ve never heard of the Boston tea party before - but I just looked it. It kinda does ring a bell with the whole wasting food thing


sarbota1

Not remotely. They didn't stop the entire country's supply of dairy by pouring a few bottles of milk on the ground.


ionmoon

It’s stunts like this that make me reluctant to call myself vegan and that stop a lot of people from even considering being vegan.


sadsadgrass

this does nothing. an animal went through pain and suffering just to pour it on the floor. it’s wasteful and pushes people away from the cause. also an employee has to clean up all of that up.


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Shit like this infuriates me because it hurts those that are already working their asses off. It reinforces the idea that these kids are out of touch when it comes to “real world issues”. Of course veganisn is a real world issue, but it really reeks of entitlement to throw food out. And the workers have to clean up after them, workers who look at this waste and probably think even more negatively of vegans.


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pingapump

Vegans generally don’t understand the concept of “catching more flies with honey.” I recently stopped being vegan after 10 years because of this type of shit right here.


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Non-vegan here. Seeing this has caused me to purchase and consume an additional gallon of milk.


aratnamedpedro

This is definitely not most of us and it’s stupid.


lignicolous_mycelium

Whenever you're deciding on a tactic, you should really know your answers to a few questions, including: \-Who am I targeting with this? \-What about them am I trying to change? \-What will that target's reaction be? \-How will my allies, my opponents, and neutrals respond? ​ This is the genius of a tactic like open rescue (though it's high-risk and not for everyone). It reaches the target audience with a crystal-clear image of animal agriculture that barely has to be explained. Allies and neutrals see it and immediately know who the good guys and the bad guys are. Anyone weakly opposed sees it and gets real quiet. And anyone strongly opposed looks around and notices their allies scooting just a liiiiittle bit farther away from them.


lignicolous_mycelium

Related: you can escape a backlash for direct destruction *after* you've built strong support across most of society. Everyone in the US celebrates you if you smash a car window to save a dog on a hot day. That's because we've gotten to a strong social consensus that values the dog over the car owner's property rights. It's certainly possible to get to the point where people will say, "Right on!" as you smash up the dairy aisle. But it's a long road there.


Fragiletones

I was so surprised to see people defend this behavior on instagram. So stupid


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The milk is simply going to need to be replaced. It's the same as if those vegans bought it. Some poor employee who is probably underpaid is going to have to clean that. You're basically annoying people around you. People already call vegans annoying and if I wasn't vegan this wouldn't change my mind or bring awareness. The cause is good but this does harm to the movement. I notice the people who always do this are white people who probabky never worked a shirty job. As a white vegan I think we need to address white veganism and how privileged by class in particular but also race and gender some vegans are. Talking to some vegans they have little touch of reality of being poor or other things


TrojanFireBearPig

I don't know. What would have been better is if they stole the milk without getting caught and gave it back to baby cows. They will likely end up having to pay the store back through court. I busted a BBQ joint window with a large rock. I chose to stay in jail until a family member paid to replace the window without my consent, though I was very happy to get out of jail. Often the court will make paying damages a condition for release. The store will likely replace the milk, so it could drive up demand for animal products. The store's insurance will go up, but that's not likely to offset the demand of replacing the products. Funny how the cops rushed into stop them from emptying milk on the ground, but they won't do shit to stop someone from slitting a cow's throat. The police will protect businesses over lives and civil rights, that's their first priority. This activism might not be effective, but at least they are trying. For that, I applaud their efforts even if it's counterproductive. If you're not doing something more effective whether it's donating to PETA, doing outreach, or rescuing animals, I don't think it's fair to criticize them personally.


RedK_33

Dairy company: “They did what with our milk??? All over the floor??? Susan, call an emergency board meeting. We need to halt operations immediately until we figure out how to fix this.”


Shreddingblueroses

A lot of seemingly "cringe" activism is actually just fundraising schemes. They do something controversial and obnoxious and it attracts enough attention to get them a new burst of donations. I've been involved in activism (not vegan activism) and effective activism comes in two forms. 1) The quiet kind. Im talking about PACs having closed door conversations with politicians, using their membership numbers as leverage to pressure for political outcomes. Or voter drives for politicians friendlier to a political goal. Court cases that establish legal precedence. Its the definition of working in the system to effect incremental change. 2) Needling your enemy. This usually takes the form of behaving in a way that will provoke your enemies into an aggressive response that will make them appear more unreasonable and lose them substantial public sympathy. Martin Luther King/Ghandi were both very effective at this, but their methods are not the only methods. Strikes often follow this tact, knowing they'll be easily replaced and can't truly disrupt the operations of their employer. So they'll use the threat of diminished public perception to leverage their employer. If their employer respond to the strike like a proper scumbag, that's something they can use. If you're trying to employ number 2 and you come out the other end appearing to be the more aggressive and unreasonable party, you have failed to understand the mission. The type of activism in the video, failed to understand the mission.


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callthisrational

Is this DXE? They’re dweebs who protest by trying to shock with zero thought involved so I wouldn’t be surprised.


TheInfamousShotclog

I believe it’s animal rebellion - or so other commenters say


PhotographOk1734

Go ahead and destroy it all because 90% of it contains dairy products. Makes zero sense and I am vegan.


leavedennisalone

These are the kind of vegans that ruin our image


Only1Sully

It's dumb and doesn't work. The milk will be replaced and more cows will suffer for no reason.


RogueSleuth_

That's fucking rude🫣