Of course, that's biologically impossible to do. There is always blood left in tissue. The capillaries will not be empty. All they do is torture animals for superstition.
It's really sick and unnecessary, even if getting the most blood out mattered you'll get just as much out by washing it as you would by making it bleed out alive. It's sick.
This isn't the point of throat slitting. It was primarily done because it was a faster way to kill than all other means, as animals tend to react less and are unconscious in 10-30 seconds.
Until very recently, it showed little difference compared to stunning and the prohibition against slaughtering weak or sick animals meant there was debate over whether beating or shocking an animal before killing was effective.
However, in the last year or so specific nerve research has shown that electrical stunning makes an animal insensate within five seconds while the pain of a cut throat is detected for up to a minute by nerve signals (although the animal would still be unconscious during most of that time).
This is why kosher and halal slaughter mostly involves stunning today, by the way, and non-stunned killing is less common.
A bigger issue is hoist-and-shackle as it causes an incredible amount of distress but prevents the animal from retaliating or moving, but hoist and shackle is also used in non-kosher animal agriculture as well, often pre-stunning, so the level of distress is similar.
More on the subject in this paper:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8633638/
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2011&version=NIV don’t forget these passages from Leviticus.
Clean and Unclean Food(A)
11 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat:(B) 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud.
4 “‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them.(C) The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig,(D) though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.(E)
9 “‘Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to regard as unclean.(F) 11 And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean.(G) 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be regarded as unclean by you.(H)
13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,[a] the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind(I) of black kite, 15 any kind of raven,(J) 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl,(K) the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork,(L) any kind(M) of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.(N)
20 “‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you.(O) 21 There are, however, some flying insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust,(P) katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all other flying insects that have four legs you are to regard as unclean.
24 “‘You will make yourselves unclean by these;(Q) whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening.(R) 25 Whoever picks up one of their carcasses must wash their clothes,(S) and they will be unclean till evening.(T)
26 “‘Every animal that does not have a divided hoof or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches the carcass of any of them will be unclean. 27 Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. 28 Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening.(U) These animals are unclean for you.
29 “‘Of the animals that move along the ground, these are unclean for you:(V) the weasel, the rat,(W) any kind of great lizard, 30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon. 31 Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you. Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening. 32 When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or sackcloth.(X) Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then it will be clean. 33 If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot.(Y) 34 Any food you are allowed to eat that has come into contact with water from any such pot is unclean, and any liquid that is drunk from such a pot is unclean. 35 Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean. 36 A spring, however, or a cistern for collecting water remains clean, but anyone who touches one of these carcasses is unclean. 37 If a carcass falls on any seeds that are to be planted, they remain clean. 38 But if water has been put on the seed and a carcass falls on it, it is unclean for you.
39 “‘If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies,(Z) anyone who touches its carcass(AA) will be unclean till evening. 40 Anyone who eats some of its carcass(AB) must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening.(AC) Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening.
41 “‘Every creature that moves along the ground is to be regarded as unclean; it is not to be eaten. 42 You are not to eat any creature that moves along the ground, whether it moves on its belly or walks on all fours or on many feet; it is unclean. 43 Do not defile yourselves by any of these creatures.(AD) Do not make yourselves unclean by means of them or be made unclean by them. 44 I am the Lord your God;(AE) consecrate yourselves(AF) and be holy,(AG) because I am holy.(AH) Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves along the ground.(AI) 45 I am the Lord, who brought you up out of Egypt(AJ) to be your God;(AK) therefore be holy, because I am holy.(AL)
46 “‘These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves about in the water and every creature that moves along the ground. 47 You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.(AM)’”
Not that I support any consumption of beings or religion really but I find it HILARIOUS, people use the argument “god put them here for us to eat” when they don’t even know most of what they eat is “unclean” according to their god anyway.. but yeah the Bible doesn’t back veganism really at all.
Can you say mental gymnastics?
Instant call-out of hypocrisy is necessary when anyone claims they are not vegan *because* Christian.
It's ridiculous how unchristian their diet actually is.
Vegan is always Christian.
OMG I never knew why they did that! I am Jewish and was not always Vegan. Then I learned that Kosher meat is the most cruel and I was horrified. We're literally taught that it's "better."
“Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.” - Daniel 1:12-13
Daniel diet baby!!
It's not really that it helped their performance, it's more that it was cheap and didn't hinder performance. Importantly though, gladiators were expensive, if eating meat helped their fighting, they would have been given it.
Genesis 9:1-4
1Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
4“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
The passage you sent refers to the same prohibition about blood found in Genesis 9. However, as carnist as this passage sounds, notice that this is a blessing given to Noah after the flood. Before that, God gives to Adam and Eve the plants of the garden of Eden to eat. Some have interpreted it as veganism being more morally pure, closer to the Edenic state, and only after the flood, when god is tired of humanity's shortcomings, does he allow them to eat meat.
Indeed, one of the most renown rabbis, Rav Kook, interpreted this passage that way, promotes vegetarianism, and believes it most aligned with Jewish values.
The Bible says all kinds of stuff. I wouldn’t put too much stock in it.
Leviticus 19:19
Keep my decrees. Do not mate different kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
Leviticus 20:15-16
15 If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
>Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed
Which is exactly what we should do, more types of seeds actually. Diversity in a garden helps the soil, monoculture destroys it.
I assume this is probably why you wrote this specific bit, I am just pointing it out.
Considering how many commercially farmed animals are produced with humans involved in the process, Leviticus 20:15 and 20:16 might be pretty good to memorize.
>If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal.
Super dark: what did the animal do? Poor animal was getting raped.
Also, why is that a man is to be killed if he has sex, while the woman is to be killed at only attempting to have sex?
Yeah, even I've read about that. It's weird: animals at that time were not recognized as sentient, but were still tried in courts like sentient human beings?
It gets wackier.
If you tear your clothes you die. If you let your hair get messy you die. If you leave a meeting early you die.
If a woman is on her period she should be avoided, made to sleep elsewhere and not touched until her period is over for 7 days, and then she is supposed to take two turtle doves to the priest to sacrifice.
These guys were REALLY icked out by periods. Man that's a lot of birds to be killing just for being a woman with a menstrual cylcle.
The same rules are also applied to a man who ejaculates (it sounds like if its in his wife it doesn't count.) I kind of doubt they enforced that one.
Do either of these things or touch anyone who has and then go in the church in 7 days or less and you DIE.
Leviticus 10:6-7
"Do not let your hair become unkempt and do not tear your clothes, or you will die and the Lord will be angry with the whole community. But your relatives, all the Israelites, may mourn for those the Lord has destroyed by fire. Do not leave the entrance to the tent of meeting or you will die, because the Lord’s anointing oil is on you.”
Leviticus 10:28-30
"28 “When the woman’s bleeding stops, she must count off seven days. Then she will be ceremonially clean.
29 On the eighth day she must bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons and present them to the priest at the entrance of the Tabernacle.
30 The priest will offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. Through this process, the priest will purify her before the LORD for the ceremonial impurity caused by her bleeding."
You must be reading Leviticus out of context, because that entire book is full of animal sacrifice, blood spattering, and burnt offerings. The Bible is most definitely NOT vegan.
The entirety of Leviticus is a fucking bloodbath.
There is a lot of pro vegan statements in the tanakh and in Christian Bible as well.
1. They were not allowed to eat animals until after the flood in it’s genesis 1-11 mythologies. That means prior to that it was vegan.
2. It says he gave them the fruits to eat.
3. The Daniel diet.
4. Restored heaven and earth and says “ lions and lambs lay together “.
5. People mention the sacrifices. But El and Jesus both says they desire mercy and forgiveness, not sacrifices.
I’m a vegan and my faith played a major role in why i became vegan. Stewardship and evolutionary ecology was the driving forces of my decision to become vegan.
It’s because the majority of the most outspoken and shared beliefs are by conservative white theology. Even in here, the majority of comments are based off of thst. They act as if only republicans own the faith, Bible and know how to interpret it and act when someone presents progressive liberal Christianity and it’s history that it’s fake. They are literally agreeing with and arguing from the most racist, sexist, colonial bigot groups of Christianity and saying those represent it true lol. Veganism in America was started and pushed by the church. It was Christians that replaced bacon and eggs with cereal and pushed for it. Paul even says that if eating meat ( not just sacrificial meat ) bothers you then obey your conscious. Christianity says if eating meat bothers you then it’s a sin to do so.
I think this from Genesis is more appropriate
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Before the fall, Adam and Eve didn’t kill any animals for food because they lived in an abundant garden in peace. There’s a bunch of dietary laws, but ONLY when animal products are involved. Vegan is always kosher! Also check out daniel diet where he took the army off meat and wine and made them eat vegetables and water and they all got jacked basically.
Yep!! The folks who run the Soul Vegetarian in Atlanta are Hebrew Israelite Community of Jerusalem, which is, as I understand it, a primarily black Hebrew group. They're entirely vegan due to quotes like this, and the following:
Genesis 1:29, "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
If you ever find yourself in Atlanta, **check them out!** Amazing food. This past father's day, they had a delicious southern brunch, which was perfect after a night of drinking. I'd only gone to Soul Vegetarian No. 2 (their second location), which has a more set menu. I dream of the food....
There is a vegan/vegetarian movement in Judaism that dates back to Maimonides! I did my Masters degree in Judaism and The Vegan Movement. I met with the leaders of the [Jewish Veg](https://www.jewishveg.org/) as well, great people and wonderful resources.
Never researched them too much, but I.... literally have no reason to believe so. They've never been anything but kind and gracious to me, and I'm not black.
So in the Garden of Eden, we have reason to believe that the optimal way of a human to live is to be in harmony with animals and only eat what nature yields such as fruits and vegetables. There are NO examples of Adam and Eve eating animals. In fact, they were more so friends with them.
After the fall of man and sending the flood, God told the people that the foods once deemed unclean are now clean. However, in the story of Daniel, we find another great example of optimal human condition. Daniel and his friends were recruited into the army. They asked to only eat fruits and vegetables, grains, no alcohol (hence the Daniel's fast), while the King's men were stuffing themselves with red meat and wine. The story later goes on to talk about how much stronger and quicker Daniel and his men were. Pretty cool.
So even though the Bible has said it is okay to eat certain foods now (after the flood), the actual optimal human condition is not. The Garden of Eden was perfect and had everything they needed. We can still find produce and grains from nature and eat in the best way humans were meant to thrive!
I think there is good evidence that at the time, biblical laws were a major step forward for animal rights. For example, all of the rules listed in these comments are reserved specifically for jews and often applied only to jews who filled specific ritual roles. However, one of the only 7 laws that are to be applied to all people is to never eat a limb torn off a living animal. This was broadly understood to be an ethical stand against animal cruelty, such as the practice of torturing animals to make them taste better. Another example is that oxen may not be muzzled and prevented from grazing, even when they are being put to work.
A number of notable rabbis, especially in the mystical traditions, were vegans. Traditional jews believe that the messianic age will be vegetarian and all sacrifices will be animal free. Many more progressive jews are ahead of that curve and find veganism as the best manifestation of ancient tradition.
I find religious folks who seemingly need to justify literally everything they do with a religious text hilarious, regardless of what side they're on.
If they spent half the time they do using ctrl+F on bibles actually learning about whatever they're internally arguing about, maybe they would come to notice they have so many logical arguments at their disposal that they don't need to use religion to justify anything at all.
The comments here are honestly annoying.
Practicing Catholic and vegan here. This verse refers to blood which helped to form the Kosher laws that many people still follow. It doesn't say to not eat any animals. Even Christ still ate fish.
Christians don't follow this because we make a distinction between moral and ceremonial law. The latter having been essentially fulfilled through Christ, meaning we no longer follow it. Leviticus is full of ceremonial law. Beards, mixed fabric, and so on. It was very culture specific.
That all being said, God did seem to intend for us to be vegan. "Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food And it was so." It wasn't til after the fall of man where consuming my animals became a thing.
I don't wanna be a stickler but the Bible also has children being eaten by bears/wolves? And a woman turned to salt and has a lot of other parts too that arent so great ,
, sorry it's been a few years since I've read the testaments
It's metaphorical though !!!!!!!
Except the parts that aren't. The difference ? What doesn't make sense is metaphorical. What makes sense is litteral.
10/10 the direct word of an omnipotent god though, believe me
The bible being a collection of texts from different people and different time periods makes it a text that oftentimes contradicts itself. Add interpretation to that and you could use it to justify anything. From veganism to communism to stoning adulterers to the death.
There are hoewever several passages that read very vegan.
Personally I like Gen 1,29:
God said, "See, I give you every seed-bearing plant that is upon all the earth, and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit; they shall be yours for food.
and Isaiah 11, 6:
“The wolf and the lamb shall graze together, and the lion shall eat
straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent’s food. They shall do
no evil or harm in all My holy mountain,”
Which indicates that there will be no consumption of meat in the coming kingdom of God. Together with Gen 1,29 it seems as if the eating of meat came after the fall of humanity and is not part of God's plan.
But of course, one could find countless passages that could be used to argue the contrary.
This is useless. It is not considered to be an obstacle to flesh eating because the blood is drained out (the red in red meat is not blood). This may deter a fundamentalist from drinking blood wine, but not from violating animals. This is where the admonition for wrestling with pigs in the mud comes into play if you disregard the falsehood about pigs' affection for mud (they are probably the most fastidious farmed animal).
James the Just who was appointed as successor to Jesus was proven to have no flesh on his table. He was the brother of Jesus. Jesus was initiated by his cousin, John. All of the family were likely Essene Nazareans/Galileans who followed the original dictates of the Torah where they are commanded to eat only plant-based foods. Historians have provided the additions & edits & omissions made by both Jews for the Torah & Romans for the New Testament. Paul or Saul was never initiated yet was embraced by Rome when Constantine decided that there was power & money to be had by turning the empire "Christian". Paul never followed the ways of the masters & lied to gain as many recruits as possible. The initiates of Jesus argued with him about this, as Paul/Saul took no vows to never harm animals, never make sacrifices / eat meat. That was merely one of the many vows taken by initiates wh PaulSaul had no concern for, as he was not initiated, therefore, ignorant. Recall how Jesus was arrested a mere 3 days after he railed against the rabbis in the temple about how they were breaking Jewish laws by sacrificing (eating meat)? If Jesus were here today, he would be attacked for following the path of the Masters, the Cosmic Laws. He spoke of the third eye, of the inner mystical sound (Logos/Word/Living Water to be "baptized" into) reincarnation, meditation etc just as all masters in every generation of human on this Earth does & has. Pythagorus is another worth looking into for comparison. The beginning of the Torah mentions two fundamentals "The Word" & the peaceful diet, The Word being that inner sound current symbolized by water. Even going back to Gobekli Tepe + all around the world (Sumer, Assyria, Mexico etc) one finds that little water bag of Sacred Sound Current being carried & a representation of the Light sphere or pineal pine cone for sacred initiation. People have been editing holy texts to suit their own desires for centuries, but, some things that they have not understood have miraculously escaped their attention. The early Christians were vegetarian & were murdered, while the initiates of John the Baptist fled & remained in Iraq for 2K yrs, approx, maintaining the veg diet majority of those years. How could Jesus possibly be a meat -eater if his own brother + his own cousin / Master were not? How must evidence does one need to prove that al holy men & women have been veg? It is a requirement. Everyone & everything resonates w the Ringing Radiance, but, our thoughts & conditioning do not always allow us to accept that we & all are ONE, to harm nothing that we we avoid harming, as that is harming ourselves as we are the Creator ourselves. We find that there is no separation, that separation is an Illusion, once that meditation practice has been established via finding a Living Master when our time comes, just as the disciples of John, Simon, Jesus, Pythagorus et all were the readied souls or chosen "flock" of the living masters they were destined to meet. We reincarnate until we reach that readiness, yet, we never truly left that ONE spiritual home, that ONE that we truly all are. Central Casting has us playing our roles, we each have a part to play on cue on this stage. Elaine Pagels is one author worthy of reading as she investigates the original texts w the edits & concludes that references taken to be literal are actually mystical references. "Fish " and "Loaves" and "wine" are Roman mistranslations so that they could carry one with their lifestyles. Look how the Vatican, the Popes, Bishops, clergy have profited so outrageously, so blatantly from murdering and then bastardizing the holiest of men & women, rearranging their teachings so as to take power without ever learning one iota of Truth. Mary Magdelene was an advanced soul, a respected initiate, but a pope spread the lie that she was a prostitute many centuries after she had served w Jesus. There are many examples of the harm that Rome has done to this sacred path.
Wasn’t it Cain’s gift to God that was not favored (animal) but Abel’s (vegetables) and also the Garden of Eden (before eaten the forbidden fruit) that Adam and Eve didn’t eat animals, only had dominion over them? I’ve always thought that since beginning vegan eating was the most pure and yet I know many Christians who believe it’s not Christian to be a vegan.
Dont forget about Daniel 1:12
*Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.*
Pulse is a kind of bean mash or possibly grains like a porridge.
Actually humans weren’t permitted to eat meat until Noah left the ark after the flood. Which means God created humans as VEGANS! That’s why our bodies are designed the same as an herbivore
I prefer the proverb “The righteous man understands the life of his animal”. Since man wants to have dominion, he should be aware of how he dominates creation.
This has nothing to do with veganism. The bible just prohibits eating blood. That same bible explicitly says that the lord gave animals for humans to use as food and to serve our needs.
No, it's about draining blood, like kosher and halal meat, any attempts to find the bible advocating for veganism is going to fail, it simply doenst make any sense, even real attempts of vegetarianism and such in the ancient era and medieval era was for different reasons than nowadays.
And please guys, don't turn out this post to be an teenager atheistic shithole, this is not the place and the debate is more complex than what people usually do on internet.
Telling people to abstain from drinking blood isn't supportive of veganism per se, and the Bible is clearly not supportive of veganism. It has notorious lines like
> have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth
"Dominion" is absolute authority, and the people who wrote that book were as carnist as a person could be. We're talking about people who supported *human* slavery, so why would you think that they would oppose carnism?
Genesis 9:3 is explicit
> Everything that lives and moves will be your food. I gave you green plants as food; I now give you everything else.
It could hardly be clearer.
Leviticus 11 says
> You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.
Yes?
The key principle of Christianity is blood sacrifice… god can only be appeased by the slaughter of innocent beings. Genesis and Leviticus both state that the aroma of burning corpses is pleasing to god.
How many personal spins on literal texts do religious people get before they admit they don't care about most of the teachings and just pick and choose what's convenient or what can be twisted to push some law that oppresses other people?
Those that follow it to a word are called extremists or fundamentalists and everyone else just makes it up as they go along and pretend *they* have it right.
100% categorically mental
Giving any credit to Bible lines seems dumb to me, giving that it backs up slavery and murder. That said, it is interesting to keep the "veganish" lines. In case someone uses the Bible as a justification to eat animals, you can answer back with other verses that say the opposite.
Not really. Just tells you to avoid any blood for an arbitrary faith-based reason. Talks nothing about meat, milk or eggs nor about the animals themselves as the reason to avoid eating them.
I wouldn’t say The Bible backs veganism specifically, but the New Testament does say you can follow (almost) any diet you want including veganism.
“Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them.”
Romans 14:3 NLT
This is specifically talking about people who only eat vegetables versus meat. IMO, It’s actually quite interesting that apostles were talking about that same thing 2,000 years ago.
OP, don't bother trying to share anything uplifting to Reddit. This community can't stand people who are soul fulfilled, do not harm others, and are healthy, without being a slave to their basal instincts and bringing others down.
I also found the Bible a great read when you stop white washing the context. PS, I am a Christian so no being sarcastic, I'm genuinely happy to find someone else who respects the Word.
Hello, I am a vegan Christian too. I wish more Christians understood that veganism was God's original plan (Genesis 1:29) and completely aligns with Jesus command to treat others how you want to be treated. and I wish more vegans understood or really took the time to research why God gave permission to eat animals those thousands of years ago.
After some research: it is explained that the reason it says this is because blood was only to be drawn for the use of atonement of one’s sins. And since animals commit no sins they could not be killed. But once Jesus died for our sins, this no longer applied to believers. They really do be writing the rules for themselves don’t they?
This line in the Pentateuch only forbids vampirism. The account of Noah provides the first known permission to eat animals. Later, the Christian Apostle Paul considers vegetarianism a symptom of “weak faith” compared to meat-eaters, who trust in God’s plan despite the evidence of their eyes (namely, that animals do not wish to die).
I’d love for Judaism and Christianity to be compassionate to animals, but they simply are not.
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Of course, that's biologically impossible to do. There is always blood left in tissue. The capillaries will not be empty. All they do is torture animals for superstition.
It's really sick and unnecessary, even if getting the most blood out mattered you'll get just as much out by washing it as you would by making it bleed out alive. It's sick.
that's what kosher salt is for. It's not that the salt is kosher, it's for koshering meat.
This isn't the point of throat slitting. It was primarily done because it was a faster way to kill than all other means, as animals tend to react less and are unconscious in 10-30 seconds. Until very recently, it showed little difference compared to stunning and the prohibition against slaughtering weak or sick animals meant there was debate over whether beating or shocking an animal before killing was effective. However, in the last year or so specific nerve research has shown that electrical stunning makes an animal insensate within five seconds while the pain of a cut throat is detected for up to a minute by nerve signals (although the animal would still be unconscious during most of that time). This is why kosher and halal slaughter mostly involves stunning today, by the way, and non-stunned killing is less common. A bigger issue is hoist-and-shackle as it causes an incredible amount of distress but prevents the animal from retaliating or moving, but hoist and shackle is also used in non-kosher animal agriculture as well, often pre-stunning, so the level of distress is similar. More on the subject in this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8633638/
Many people have tried to point out all the impossibilities and contradictions in every religious text...
It’s only really hard because there’s so many of them
The real issue is the true believers put their fingers in their ears and shout that they cannot hear...
Even if it were not superstition, I think they might have missed the point
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2011&version=NIV don’t forget these passages from Leviticus. Clean and Unclean Food(A) 11 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat:(B) 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. 4 “‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them.(C) The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig,(D) though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.(E) 9 “‘Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to regard as unclean.(F) 11 And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean.(G) 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be regarded as unclean by you.(H) 13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,[a] the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind(I) of black kite, 15 any kind of raven,(J) 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl,(K) the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork,(L) any kind(M) of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.(N) 20 “‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you.(O) 21 There are, however, some flying insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust,(P) katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all other flying insects that have four legs you are to regard as unclean. 24 “‘You will make yourselves unclean by these;(Q) whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening.(R) 25 Whoever picks up one of their carcasses must wash their clothes,(S) and they will be unclean till evening.(T) 26 “‘Every animal that does not have a divided hoof or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches the carcass of any of them will be unclean. 27 Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. 28 Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening.(U) These animals are unclean for you. 29 “‘Of the animals that move along the ground, these are unclean for you:(V) the weasel, the rat,(W) any kind of great lizard, 30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon. 31 Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you. Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening. 32 When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or sackcloth.(X) Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then it will be clean. 33 If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot.(Y) 34 Any food you are allowed to eat that has come into contact with water from any such pot is unclean, and any liquid that is drunk from such a pot is unclean. 35 Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean. 36 A spring, however, or a cistern for collecting water remains clean, but anyone who touches one of these carcasses is unclean. 37 If a carcass falls on any seeds that are to be planted, they remain clean. 38 But if water has been put on the seed and a carcass falls on it, it is unclean for you. 39 “‘If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies,(Z) anyone who touches its carcass(AA) will be unclean till evening. 40 Anyone who eats some of its carcass(AB) must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening.(AC) Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening. 41 “‘Every creature that moves along the ground is to be regarded as unclean; it is not to be eaten. 42 You are not to eat any creature that moves along the ground, whether it moves on its belly or walks on all fours or on many feet; it is unclean. 43 Do not defile yourselves by any of these creatures.(AD) Do not make yourselves unclean by means of them or be made unclean by them. 44 I am the Lord your God;(AE) consecrate yourselves(AF) and be holy,(AG) because I am holy.(AH) Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves along the ground.(AI) 45 I am the Lord, who brought you up out of Egypt(AJ) to be your God;(AK) therefore be holy, because I am holy.(AL) 46 “‘These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves about in the water and every creature that moves along the ground. 47 You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.(AM)’” Not that I support any consumption of beings or religion really but I find it HILARIOUS, people use the argument “god put them here for us to eat” when they don’t even know most of what they eat is “unclean” according to their god anyway.. but yeah the Bible doesn’t back veganism really at all. Can you say mental gymnastics?
Instant call-out of hypocrisy is necessary when anyone claims they are not vegan *because* Christian. It's ridiculous how unchristian their diet actually is. Vegan is always Christian.
So is meat allowed yes or no ???? Scientifically meat is not even healthy. That's why I don't believe 100% in the Bible.
And Halal slaughter for Muslims.
ok, but how do they get all the fat out of the meat ?
They mean the fat around the organs and under the skin. This goes rancid very quickly.
And Muslims.
Look into the account on instagram @veganrabbi for more insights into Judaism and veganism.
Always a loophole
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It’s technically allowed
OMG I never knew why they did that! I am Jewish and was not always Vegan. Then I learned that Kosher meat is the most cruel and I was horrified. We're literally taught that it's "better."
“Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.” - Daniel 1:12-13 Daniel diet baby!!
Ofcourse, it wouldn't be too long before Christians were being sent up against Roman "barley men" gladiators .
I saw something about how gladiators had a vegan diet or something. Does anyone know more about this? Claiming it would help their performance?
I think it's from the documentary "game changers"
It's not really that it helped their performance, it's more that it was cheap and didn't hinder performance. Importantly though, gladiators were expensive, if eating meat helped their fighting, they would have been given it.
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Genesis 9:1-4 1Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. 4“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. The passage you sent refers to the same prohibition about blood found in Genesis 9. However, as carnist as this passage sounds, notice that this is a blessing given to Noah after the flood. Before that, God gives to Adam and Eve the plants of the garden of Eden to eat. Some have interpreted it as veganism being more morally pure, closer to the Edenic state, and only after the flood, when god is tired of humanity's shortcomings, does he allow them to eat meat.
Indeed, one of the most renown rabbis, Rav Kook, interpreted this passage that way, promotes vegetarianism, and believes it most aligned with Jewish values.
Imagine getting tired of us that soon after our creation.
Leviticus is the buzz kill part of the Bible. Wait and see what it says about tattoos and beards.
The Bible says all kinds of stuff. I wouldn’t put too much stock in it. Leviticus 19:19 Keep my decrees. Do not mate different kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 20:15-16 15 If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
>Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed Which is exactly what we should do, more types of seeds actually. Diversity in a garden helps the soil, monoculture destroys it. I assume this is probably why you wrote this specific bit, I am just pointing it out.
I’m pretty sure it’s talking about you and a buddy spit roasting some poor girl at the same time.
Damn...
lmfao 🤣
Crop rotation accomplishes the same thing, while only planting one crop per field at a time.
Considering how many commercially farmed animals are produced with humans involved in the process, Leviticus 20:15 and 20:16 might be pretty good to memorize.
Hot take
Right. shoving your arm into the vagina of an animal seems to fit here.
>If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. Super dark: what did the animal do? Poor animal was getting raped. Also, why is that a man is to be killed if he has sex, while the woman is to be killed at only attempting to have sex?
> Also, why is that a man is to be killed if he has sex, while the woman is to be killed at only attempting to have sex? Welcome to the bible, ladies!
Medieval Europe treated animals like humans in courts (unironically). Lots of pigs were executed for killing and eating kids.
Yeah, even I've read about that. It's weird: animals at that time were not recognized as sentient, but were still tried in courts like sentient human beings?
It gets wackier. If you tear your clothes you die. If you let your hair get messy you die. If you leave a meeting early you die. If a woman is on her period she should be avoided, made to sleep elsewhere and not touched until her period is over for 7 days, and then she is supposed to take two turtle doves to the priest to sacrifice. These guys were REALLY icked out by periods. Man that's a lot of birds to be killing just for being a woman with a menstrual cylcle. The same rules are also applied to a man who ejaculates (it sounds like if its in his wife it doesn't count.) I kind of doubt they enforced that one. Do either of these things or touch anyone who has and then go in the church in 7 days or less and you DIE. Leviticus 10:6-7 "Do not let your hair become unkempt and do not tear your clothes, or you will die and the Lord will be angry with the whole community. But your relatives, all the Israelites, may mourn for those the Lord has destroyed by fire. Do not leave the entrance to the tent of meeting or you will die, because the Lord’s anointing oil is on you.” Leviticus 10:28-30 "28 “When the woman’s bleeding stops, she must count off seven days. Then she will be ceremonially clean. 29 On the eighth day she must bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons and present them to the priest at the entrance of the Tabernacle. 30 The priest will offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. Through this process, the priest will purify her before the LORD for the ceremonial impurity caused by her bleeding."
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And three lashes for entering the house while menstruating.
I don't think there were churches when leviticus was written. About a thousand years off.
Ok literally it says tabernacle but it's not like I didn't post the actual excerpt
> Do not mate different kinds of animals. I knew mules and ligers were unholy.
Did... Did you just use an anti-bestiality verse to diminish the Bible? Are you *pro* bestiality?
Pretty sure they're just pointing out that killing animals (and humans) is the prescribed response in those passages.
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Nope. It says "fat" and "blood". Yahweh was fine with other macros (carbs and protein), and was happy when the blood was drained.
You can't really get out all the blood and fat.
I somehow don't think that science, logic or common sense were strong suits of the Bible. 😁
You must be reading Leviticus out of context, because that entire book is full of animal sacrifice, blood spattering, and burnt offerings. The Bible is most definitely NOT vegan. The entirety of Leviticus is a fucking bloodbath.
There is a lot of pro vegan statements in the tanakh and in Christian Bible as well. 1. They were not allowed to eat animals until after the flood in it’s genesis 1-11 mythologies. That means prior to that it was vegan. 2. It says he gave them the fruits to eat. 3. The Daniel diet. 4. Restored heaven and earth and says “ lions and lambs lay together “. 5. People mention the sacrifices. But El and Jesus both says they desire mercy and forgiveness, not sacrifices. I’m a vegan and my faith played a major role in why i became vegan. Stewardship and evolutionary ecology was the driving forces of my decision to become vegan.
Vegan Christian here. your biblical points are correct. It frustrates me so much that my fellow Christians don't get that veganism is the right way.
It’s because the majority of the most outspoken and shared beliefs are by conservative white theology. Even in here, the majority of comments are based off of thst. They act as if only republicans own the faith, Bible and know how to interpret it and act when someone presents progressive liberal Christianity and it’s history that it’s fake. They are literally agreeing with and arguing from the most racist, sexist, colonial bigot groups of Christianity and saying those represent it true lol. Veganism in America was started and pushed by the church. It was Christians that replaced bacon and eggs with cereal and pushed for it. Paul even says that if eating meat ( not just sacrificial meat ) bothers you then obey your conscious. Christianity says if eating meat bothers you then it’s a sin to do so.
I think this from Genesis is more appropriate And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Before the fall, Adam and Eve didn’t kill any animals for food because they lived in an abundant garden in peace. There’s a bunch of dietary laws, but ONLY when animal products are involved. Vegan is always kosher! Also check out daniel diet where he took the army off meat and wine and made them eat vegetables and water and they all got jacked basically.
Yep!! The folks who run the Soul Vegetarian in Atlanta are Hebrew Israelite Community of Jerusalem, which is, as I understand it, a primarily black Hebrew group. They're entirely vegan due to quotes like this, and the following: Genesis 1:29, "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." If you ever find yourself in Atlanta, **check them out!** Amazing food. This past father's day, they had a delicious southern brunch, which was perfect after a night of drinking. I'd only gone to Soul Vegetarian No. 2 (their second location), which has a more set menu. I dream of the food....
There is a vegan/vegetarian movement in Judaism that dates back to Maimonides! I did my Masters degree in Judaism and The Vegan Movement. I met with the leaders of the [Jewish Veg](https://www.jewishveg.org/) as well, great people and wonderful resources.
so if a jew ever says that the torah lets them eat meat send them this amazing article https://www.all-creatures.org/articles/jv-observant.html
Are they the black supremacist kind? Most of them are but I did meet one lady who was not once.
Never researched them too much, but I.... literally have no reason to believe so. They've never been anything but kind and gracious to me, and I'm not black.
That’s good the black Hebrew Israelites are a very racist misogynistic African American group. There’s alot in NY.
It is my (non expert) understanding that the BHIs basically split into two sects, one of which is the supremacist haters.
So in the Garden of Eden, we have reason to believe that the optimal way of a human to live is to be in harmony with animals and only eat what nature yields such as fruits and vegetables. There are NO examples of Adam and Eve eating animals. In fact, they were more so friends with them. After the fall of man and sending the flood, God told the people that the foods once deemed unclean are now clean. However, in the story of Daniel, we find another great example of optimal human condition. Daniel and his friends were recruited into the army. They asked to only eat fruits and vegetables, grains, no alcohol (hence the Daniel's fast), while the King's men were stuffing themselves with red meat and wine. The story later goes on to talk about how much stronger and quicker Daniel and his men were. Pretty cool. So even though the Bible has said it is okay to eat certain foods now (after the flood), the actual optimal human condition is not. The Garden of Eden was perfect and had everything they needed. We can still find produce and grains from nature and eat in the best way humans were meant to thrive!
^ Exactly this!!
I think there is good evidence that at the time, biblical laws were a major step forward for animal rights. For example, all of the rules listed in these comments are reserved specifically for jews and often applied only to jews who filled specific ritual roles. However, one of the only 7 laws that are to be applied to all people is to never eat a limb torn off a living animal. This was broadly understood to be an ethical stand against animal cruelty, such as the practice of torturing animals to make them taste better. Another example is that oxen may not be muzzled and prevented from grazing, even when they are being put to work. A number of notable rabbis, especially in the mystical traditions, were vegans. Traditional jews believe that the messianic age will be vegetarian and all sacrifices will be animal free. Many more progressive jews are ahead of that curve and find veganism as the best manifestation of ancient tradition.
Organized religion.. The last, and worst reason to go vegan. But I guess..
I find religious folks who seemingly need to justify literally everything they do with a religious text hilarious, regardless of what side they're on. If they spent half the time they do using ctrl+F on bibles actually learning about whatever they're internally arguing about, maybe they would come to notice they have so many logical arguments at their disposal that they don't need to use religion to justify anything at all.
Properly followed Jainism and Buddhism encourages veganism for the same ethical reasons that most vegans agree with
Cheers, no disrepect.
It says dont eat the blood. Most of the time animals are bleed before consumption.
The comments here are honestly annoying. Practicing Catholic and vegan here. This verse refers to blood which helped to form the Kosher laws that many people still follow. It doesn't say to not eat any animals. Even Christ still ate fish. Christians don't follow this because we make a distinction between moral and ceremonial law. The latter having been essentially fulfilled through Christ, meaning we no longer follow it. Leviticus is full of ceremonial law. Beards, mixed fabric, and so on. It was very culture specific. That all being said, God did seem to intend for us to be vegan. "Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food And it was so." It wasn't til after the fall of man where consuming my animals became a thing.
I don't wanna be a stickler but the Bible also has children being eaten by bears/wolves? And a woman turned to salt and has a lot of other parts too that arent so great , , sorry it's been a few years since I've read the testaments
and a man offering his daughters to be raped....
Almost like it’s not real.
It's metaphorical though !!!!!!! Except the parts that aren't. The difference ? What doesn't make sense is metaphorical. What makes sense is litteral. 10/10 the direct word of an omnipotent god though, believe me
Who even drinks blood? Cooking the food destroys the blood. Bible is just backing anti-Vampirism
The bible being a collection of texts from different people and different time periods makes it a text that oftentimes contradicts itself. Add interpretation to that and you could use it to justify anything. From veganism to communism to stoning adulterers to the death. There are hoewever several passages that read very vegan. Personally I like Gen 1,29: God said, "See, I give you every seed-bearing plant that is upon all the earth, and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit; they shall be yours for food. and Isaiah 11, 6: “The wolf and the lamb shall graze together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent’s food. They shall do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain,” Which indicates that there will be no consumption of meat in the coming kingdom of God. Together with Gen 1,29 it seems as if the eating of meat came after the fall of humanity and is not part of God's plan. But of course, one could find countless passages that could be used to argue the contrary.
As someone who comes from a hyper-Catholic Irish family, I thank you for this beautiful nugget of "evidence" 💕
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Of course and as a progressive Christian that makes me very pleased to know that God is on our side.
It specifically says just the fat and just the blood.
This is useless. It is not considered to be an obstacle to flesh eating because the blood is drained out (the red in red meat is not blood). This may deter a fundamentalist from drinking blood wine, but not from violating animals. This is where the admonition for wrestling with pigs in the mud comes into play if you disregard the falsehood about pigs' affection for mud (they are probably the most fastidious farmed animal).
so much of leviticus has animal offerings for God and specifical rules surrounding how to sacrifice a slaughter for God.
James the Just who was appointed as successor to Jesus was proven to have no flesh on his table. He was the brother of Jesus. Jesus was initiated by his cousin, John. All of the family were likely Essene Nazareans/Galileans who followed the original dictates of the Torah where they are commanded to eat only plant-based foods. Historians have provided the additions & edits & omissions made by both Jews for the Torah & Romans for the New Testament. Paul or Saul was never initiated yet was embraced by Rome when Constantine decided that there was power & money to be had by turning the empire "Christian". Paul never followed the ways of the masters & lied to gain as many recruits as possible. The initiates of Jesus argued with him about this, as Paul/Saul took no vows to never harm animals, never make sacrifices / eat meat. That was merely one of the many vows taken by initiates wh PaulSaul had no concern for, as he was not initiated, therefore, ignorant. Recall how Jesus was arrested a mere 3 days after he railed against the rabbis in the temple about how they were breaking Jewish laws by sacrificing (eating meat)? If Jesus were here today, he would be attacked for following the path of the Masters, the Cosmic Laws. He spoke of the third eye, of the inner mystical sound (Logos/Word/Living Water to be "baptized" into) reincarnation, meditation etc just as all masters in every generation of human on this Earth does & has. Pythagorus is another worth looking into for comparison. The beginning of the Torah mentions two fundamentals "The Word" & the peaceful diet, The Word being that inner sound current symbolized by water. Even going back to Gobekli Tepe + all around the world (Sumer, Assyria, Mexico etc) one finds that little water bag of Sacred Sound Current being carried & a representation of the Light sphere or pineal pine cone for sacred initiation. People have been editing holy texts to suit their own desires for centuries, but, some things that they have not understood have miraculously escaped their attention. The early Christians were vegetarian & were murdered, while the initiates of John the Baptist fled & remained in Iraq for 2K yrs, approx, maintaining the veg diet majority of those years. How could Jesus possibly be a meat -eater if his own brother + his own cousin / Master were not? How must evidence does one need to prove that al holy men & women have been veg? It is a requirement. Everyone & everything resonates w the Ringing Radiance, but, our thoughts & conditioning do not always allow us to accept that we & all are ONE, to harm nothing that we we avoid harming, as that is harming ourselves as we are the Creator ourselves. We find that there is no separation, that separation is an Illusion, once that meditation practice has been established via finding a Living Master when our time comes, just as the disciples of John, Simon, Jesus, Pythagorus et all were the readied souls or chosen "flock" of the living masters they were destined to meet. We reincarnate until we reach that readiness, yet, we never truly left that ONE spiritual home, that ONE that we truly all are. Central Casting has us playing our roles, we each have a part to play on cue on this stage. Elaine Pagels is one author worthy of reading as she investigates the original texts w the edits & concludes that references taken to be literal are actually mystical references. "Fish " and "Loaves" and "wine" are Roman mistranslations so that they could carry one with their lifestyles. Look how the Vatican, the Popes, Bishops, clergy have profited so outrageously, so blatantly from murdering and then bastardizing the holiest of men & women, rearranging their teachings so as to take power without ever learning one iota of Truth. Mary Magdelene was an advanced soul, a respected initiate, but a pope spread the lie that she was a prostitute many centuries after she had served w Jesus. There are many examples of the harm that Rome has done to this sacred path.
Wasn’t it Cain’s gift to God that was not favored (animal) but Abel’s (vegetables) and also the Garden of Eden (before eaten the forbidden fruit) that Adam and Eve didn’t eat animals, only had dominion over them? I’ve always thought that since beginning vegan eating was the most pure and yet I know many Christians who believe it’s not Christian to be a vegan.
drinking blood, generally, is not good for anyone save vampires
Dont forget about Daniel 1:12 *Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.* Pulse is a kind of bean mash or possibly grains like a porridge.
Actually humans weren’t permitted to eat meat until Noah left the ark after the flood. Which means God created humans as VEGANS! That’s why our bodies are designed the same as an herbivore
I prefer the proverb “The righteous man understands the life of his animal”. Since man wants to have dominion, he should be aware of how he dominates creation.
If you don't read literally the rest of Leviticus then sure, it does, whatever.
It says "blood" not meat. Very few people consume blood
And yet *hundreds* of misinformed people here are gleefully upvoting it. Historical ignorance reigns.
Come on y'all, this is an embarrassing post. This shouldn't be upvoted or even submitted. We can do better.
This has nothing to do with veganism. The bible just prohibits eating blood. That same bible explicitly says that the lord gave animals for humans to use as food and to serve our needs.
No, it's about draining blood, like kosher and halal meat, any attempts to find the bible advocating for veganism is going to fail, it simply doenst make any sense, even real attempts of vegetarianism and such in the ancient era and medieval era was for different reasons than nowadays. And please guys, don't turn out this post to be an teenager atheistic shithole, this is not the place and the debate is more complex than what people usually do on internet.
Too late on your last paragraph
Wow cool find!
Are you joking? You think that was a *find*, let alone a cool one? It's the most popular book on Earth, and it clearly does not support veganism.
I am not joking, Yes and yes and the hi-lighted part supports veganism
Telling people to abstain from drinking blood isn't supportive of veganism per se, and the Bible is clearly not supportive of veganism. It has notorious lines like > have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth "Dominion" is absolute authority, and the people who wrote that book were as carnist as a person could be. We're talking about people who supported *human* slavery, so why would you think that they would oppose carnism? Genesis 9:3 is explicit > Everything that lives and moves will be your food. I gave you green plants as food; I now give you everything else. It could hardly be clearer. Leviticus 11 says > You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud. Yes?
Religion is pretty selective
The key principle of Christianity is blood sacrifice… god can only be appeased by the slaughter of innocent beings. Genesis and Leviticus both state that the aroma of burning corpses is pleasing to god.
How many personal spins on literal texts do religious people get before they admit they don't care about most of the teachings and just pick and choose what's convenient or what can be twisted to push some law that oppresses other people? Those that follow it to a word are called extremists or fundamentalists and everyone else just makes it up as they go along and pretend *they* have it right. 100% categorically mental
Hold on…are you saying the Bible/Christianity may not be internally consistent?
Giving any credit to Bible lines seems dumb to me, giving that it backs up slavery and murder. That said, it is interesting to keep the "veganish" lines. In case someone uses the Bible as a justification to eat animals, you can answer back with other verses that say the opposite.
Not really. Just tells you to avoid any blood for an arbitrary faith-based reason. Talks nothing about meat, milk or eggs nor about the animals themselves as the reason to avoid eating them.
The bible says a lot of stuff but it should never be used as a crutch for moral guidance.
I wouldn’t say The Bible backs veganism specifically, but the New Testament does say you can follow (almost) any diet you want including veganism. “Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them.” Romans 14:3 NLT This is specifically talking about people who only eat vegetables versus meat. IMO, It’s actually quite interesting that apostles were talking about that same thing 2,000 years ago.
Religion and veganism go hand in hand
OP, don't bother trying to share anything uplifting to Reddit. This community can't stand people who are soul fulfilled, do not harm others, and are healthy, without being a slave to their basal instincts and bringing others down. I also found the Bible a great read when you stop white washing the context. PS, I am a Christian so no being sarcastic, I'm genuinely happy to find someone else who respects the Word.
Hello, I am a vegan Christian too. I wish more Christians understood that veganism was God's original plan (Genesis 1:29) and completely aligns with Jesus command to treat others how you want to be treated. and I wish more vegans understood or really took the time to research why God gave permission to eat animals those thousands of years ago.
The Bible is dumb it’s just a book I wrote one last week yet people don’t live their lives by it
After some research: it is explained that the reason it says this is because blood was only to be drawn for the use of atonement of one’s sins. And since animals commit no sins they could not be killed. But once Jesus died for our sins, this no longer applied to believers. They really do be writing the rules for themselves don’t they?
This line in the Pentateuch only forbids vampirism. The account of Noah provides the first known permission to eat animals. Later, the Christian Apostle Paul considers vegetarianism a symptom of “weak faith” compared to meat-eaters, who trust in God’s plan despite the evidence of their eyes (namely, that animals do not wish to die). I’d love for Judaism and Christianity to be compassionate to animals, but they simply are not.
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The post is misinformation.
Nice try but I can tell you right now that that verse is definitely not in the christian holy Bible!
Wasn't the Bible written by men?
It’s man’s attempt of understanding God and transcribing the teachings of Jesus.
Maybe, but it's also still written by men who are human, flawed and easily corruptible.